pvp

[still minnow]

so she doesnt get nuked by aircraft

[upper sparrow]

is main gun AA stat really that significant?

[shy hazel]

helps

[vague token]

the lower your base aa

the more 30 aa matters

[shy hazel]

kiro

[vague token]

what

[shy hazel]

u a loser

[vague token]

so?

[upper sparrow]

oh ok then

[vague token]

i heard you were a casual

[shy hazel]

i just want to say it

[vague token]

ok

[shy hazel]

who is casual

[vague token]

you

also me

[shy hazel]

i am but better

[vague token]

xD

casual kai

[shy hazel]

[empty grove]

[shy hazel]

my scores are low rn

but probbly top 10 still

[proper thistle]

I can't wait till I get to the point where I can play around with meta fleets

One day

[empty grove]

I haven't changed my fleet since getting sanrui

[shy hazel]

easier to do now

i add and reduce one ship a time

for flavour

[vague token]

imagine using meta fleets

;)

[shy hazel]

im using ibuki

[vague token]

although i guess with ws everything is meta

[shy hazel]

not meta

[vague token]

kek

[shy hazel]

use wasd with ws

wasdws

[vague token]

call it hiryuu Begone

[proper thistle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/637372298504175617/654432829777641493/Screenshot_20191211-162220_Discord.jpg
What determines whether I use boiler / the other option ?

[vague token]

for two cl + dd, you can sometimes get away with 2 boiler

personally i prefer 3 boiler

[proper thistle]

I see

[elder crane]

1. depends on team speed
2. depends on survivability

[ionic magnet]

speed is kinda a preference thing
but consensus is you want more or less 2 boilers for a 2 CL 1DD VG

[meager dawn]

what if u have a CA

[elder crane]

e.g. engine on Juneau sometimes leaves her too vulnerable
or, sometimes, you need to make her more vulnerable like that

[ionic magnet]

you add 1 more boiler

[elder crane]

Yeah, basically CAs are usually one Boiler's worth of speed slower than a CL

[meager dawn]

so any CA that isn't sanrui?

[vague token]

a lot of CAs sit around 25-27

so one boiler patches them up to cl speed

or in azuma's case, a gyro or two

xD

[meager dawn]

gyro?

[elder crane]

Basically
a CA/CL/DD team pretty much always goes 2 boilers, 3 if they can afford it (rare since Rudder is too important for most CA options)

[vague token]

azuma's base hp is so high so boiler is such a small factor

and getting some hit is much more useful

[meager dawn]

I thought gyro was a meme or something

[vague token]

gyro is non-factor for literally everyone else

[elder crane]

Armor+Rudder/Badge Azuma is the usual setup
but if you want +speed on her, yeah, gyro
her HP is so high that engine +245 barely matters on her, and Azuma both deals a lot of damage and somewhat has accuracy issues, so the +hit is welcome

[vague token]

before armor existed i think she was gyro/rudder

but we have armor now so who cares

xD

[elder crane]

Well, not everyone has armor plate

[vague token]

yeah

[proper thistle]

What main gun do I want on Jun?

[vague token]

if you have extras, mle

otherwise just toss 127 for burn procs

she's incapable of doing anything else

since she debuffs her own tiny fp

xD

[proper thistle]

Little yikes but I guess this is what I have laying around

Other than levels on gear and the AA any changes ?

[ionic magnet]

mag torp

and yea you want ufo on her

[proper thistle]

Don't own

The mag

[ionic magnet]

[proper thistle]

Am a scrub what can I say

[ionic magnet]

nah its fine

[ionic magnet]

her torp stat is a meme anyways so not a big deal

[proper thistle]

Ufo is this one?

[upper sparrow]

why not tbtsk on juneau

or nepgun

[ionic magnet]

yus thats ufo

cos jun can actually equip DD guns

[proper thistle]

My options if not 127

[upper sparrow]

so BiS juneau is dd gun then?

[ionic magnet]

its either mle or 127

but seeing as you only have 1 mle

better use that on pve or smth

[proper thistle]

Mle is the one z23 has?

[ionic magnet]

yep

[upper sparrow]

so should i change nepgun on juneau to 138.6

[proper thistle]

Well I could swap it over during PvP but that would get annoying

Ty

[ionic magnet]

yea @upper sparrow

[upper sparrow]

what alternative beside 138.6? twin 127?

[proper thistle]

Similarly my Yuki is a bit ghetto also
Any big changes ?
Once again I assume mag torp and ufo?

[ionic magnet]

mag torp and bofors

you want to mix bofors and ufo in your VG for min maxing AA

[proper thistle]

Oh I see

Is her main gun ok?

[ionic magnet]

@upper sparrow yea 127 is fine. 138 is BiS but a bit overrated anyways

@proper thistle 76mm or 100mm is fine
most ppl just prefer 100mm cos it adds AA which helps in tanking airstrikes (and thats her main job)

[still minnow]

if a ship can take a DD gun in its primary slot, always take the DD gun

[proper thistle]

This one? @ionic magnet

[still minnow]

I don't think theres a single exception to this

[ionic magnet]

@proper thistle yus

[proper thistle]

Cool

And is helldiver still the bomber for PvP?

[elder crane]

Mostly yes

If you really need to speed up launches to sync it to something, DB selection is what you adjust it with

otherwise, just stick to helldiver

[proper thistle]

What gear does monarch want?

[coral wren]

So guys. Any suggestions to beating japanese fleets in pvp?

[still minnow]

nuke em

[coral wren]

So the answer is using another japanese fleet

[still minnow]

no I mean irradiate their land, people and culture

[coral wren]

Unfortunately we cant do that in a family friendly anime game

[still minnow]

rip

[ionic magnet]

@proper thistle pins have gear section also
as for monarch, twin/triple 381+STAAG+nepgun+hscfr/sg/rudder+sg

[proper thistle]

Oh I missed the gear

[elder crane]

Warspite Retrofit is the nuke you want

If you missed that, 🇫

[proper thistle]

Also tbh most of those words mean next to nothing to me @ionic magnet

So yikes

I'll look at pins

[elder crane]

Best nonevent you can make is just plain HMS sadly (?)

[ionic magnet]

oh i meant the tierlist in pins

[coral wren]

I have war kai and yeah, i notice that she murders enterprise and akaga

[vague token]

war kai murders all ships more or less equally

[meager dawn]

tfw your warspite's 1st snipe misses

[vague token]

low hp medium armor cvs just die sooner

xD

[coral wren]

Well, heavy armor ships can tank her pretty well

But yeah, she reks carriers and its awesome

[meager dawn]

just slap VH on carriers ez warkai tank

[coral wren]

Please no

[meager dawn]

I slap VH rudder on hiryuu kai for memes

[coral wren]

I do appreciate seeing teams other than just stupid namaryu or whatever its called

I respect the chads that actually try using german fleets against japanese ones in pvp

[south ore]

i too respect people that want to reset 10 times before winning

[forest lake]

691 10/10

[coral wren]

We should just ban nagato and amagi from pvp xd

[meager dawn]

I remember seeing a vid of someone trying a full KMS fleet against namaryuu, it failed at all times

[coral wren]

No surprise

trash AA and overpowered japanese torpedos

[vague token]

aa isnt kms's problem

[elder crane]

Well, Warkai has finally brought us diversity of comp
Technically the upcoming PR2 should instantly shut down diversity again, but lol at ppl getting Azuma/FdG in reasonable time

[meager dawn]

I think one of the fights was a close but iirc, hiryuu rekt them all

[coral wren]

Yeah her last skill is such BS

[vague token]

kms's problem is keeping up in damage given their durability

[coral wren]

True

[vague token]

biscuit's barrage is a joke compared to kgv

[coral wren]

Yeah

[elder crane]

Just not enough broken ships in KMS

[vague token]

her cl gun range passive double stacks with the pvp penalty

[forest lake]

How do you think Georgia would perform?

[coral wren]

Well, FDG would like to have a word with you

[vague token]

so we're talking her MAIN perk having about -50% damage

[elder crane]

IJN and HMS all have ships good enough that you'd already run them
KMS currently has no one, and soon still only FdG

[meager dawn]

FdG didn't work in the vid I saw

[vague token]

also, crit rate on main weapon mounts is worse than FP always

[coral wren]

Wow FDG failed to defeat a bunch of japanese ships

[elder crane]

Also stacks with -20% PvP debuff btw

[coral wren]

amazing

[vague token]

because it doesnt apply to aux weaponry and it doesnt apply to barrages

[coral wren]

I thought the attackers got 20% attack boost

[vague token]

lol nope

[elder crane]

So Bis aux in PvP goes from 80% to 45%

[vague token]

defenders do 20% less damage

[coral wren]

Ah ok

[vague token]

if you did 20% more damage compared to pve

that would be worse

[meager dawn]

inb4 it's the same thing

[elder crane]

Attackers take 20% less damage, you mean

[coral wren]

Yes my bad

[elder crane]

It's coded that way

[coral wren]

i mixed it up

[elder crane]

Matters for how skills stack with PvP mods

[vague token]

basically attack gets 20% dr

xD

[coral wren]

When the chinese made game has a japanese dominated meta

[elder crane]

20% multiplicative over defenders

[vague token]

i mean all dr is multiplicative

except fire reduction

lul

because fire rules

[elder crane]

Since there's also a ship-class dred

Yeah, DoTs be DoTs

[coral wren]

Is FDG argubly the best PR2 ship

[vague token]

eh

[meager dawn]

[vague token]

best at what

[coral wren]

Idk

firpower, ho

[meager dawn]

best KMS backline

[coral wren]

*ho

[elder crane]

Arguably in overall powerlevel, yes

[coral wren]

*hp

[vague token]

if you like murdering your oil

yeah sure

[coral wren]

But of course, just use japanese comp

and she dies

[vague token]

not really

[meager dawn]

Just slap her into an IJN fleet

[vague token]

she dies slow against everything

[elder crane]

You stick Fdg into your IJN comp

That's how you roll

[vague token]

dont forget she gets increasing DR the lower her hp is

[coral wren]

Lmao true

axis bias 101

[vague token]

to the point of ridiculous EHP

[coral wren]

In your expert opinions, which is the overall best PR2 ship

[elder crane]

For PvP, as a increase over other options, Azuma

[meager dawn]

azuma cuz she's the 1st BB frontline

[vague token]

azuma

the simple concept

of placing a main fleet power ship

in the vanguard

straight up breaks the game

[elder crane]

FdG is more powerful, but she has more competitors

[coral wren]

True. How are you supposed to kill her

Azuma

[vague token]

i mean the same way anything else dies

[coral wren]

torpedos
and hope they use VH armor

[vague token]

it doesnt matter, torpedos do a lot of damage on heavy sure

but her base hp just laughs at you

armor azuma is going to be over 8k hp

[coral wren]

7000 fucking hp

[vague token]

7500 + gold armor

[elder crane]

Also you're (lol) using torpedo team (lol)

[coral wren]

Wait what, its even more

you might have to actually run carriers

[vague token]

so 8k+

[meager dawn]

and then there's the HP multiplier

[vague token]

so azuma can just soak the damage

[elder crane]

FC deals with her really well, yeah

[vague token]

and then shoot your main fleet

she isnt even sub 200 aa

xD

[elder crane]

Ykkz is still more survivable vs FC strike than Azuma is

[coral wren]

Sounds like we’re making crimson axis teams even more broken

[vague token]

there's no such thing as axis teams

only ijn with fdg

[coral wren]

Fdg is an axis ship

[vague token]

inserting any other kms ship immediately reduces your power

[coral wren]

So technically an axis team

[elder crane]

Juneau is dragged along everywhere as a sacrifice still

[vague token]

and that is a coincidence

fdg could have been any faction

and would have been used

[coral wren]

Pretty sure FDG was supposed to be one of the german h class battleships but ok

[elder crane]

Yeah, the only two nation-specific synergies that matter right now in PvP are IJN and HMS

[vague token]

i mean that it's never been anything more than an ijn team, with 2 ships for stats

juneau gives you the most stats in the game

tons of hp

fdg has the most base hp in the game

[coral wren]

That ability

[vague token]

combine with juneau

[coral wren]

Is

I hate it

[vague token]

juneau is actually balanced given how low hp is

[coral wren]

Now, imagine using a hololive fleet as a meme

[vague token]

without juneau you can easily blow ships up before they have a chance

the game is extremely frontloaded

even with all the defensive aux

[coral wren]

Its all about killing first

[elder crane]

Significantly higher HP on jun would actually be a downgrade though, lol

[vague token]

i mean, i would rather juneau be a flat heal to help dds more than main

or so we could just drop her finally

by giving everyone 25% more hp

xD

[elder crane]

25% of own HP
Make ykkz even more immortal

[vague token]

kek

[coral wren]

Nice, just nice

[elder crane]

But that would actually be decent balance

[coral wren]

luckily pvp isnt the main aspect of the game

[forest lake]

PVP main aspect when

[vague token]

i mean there's a lot of ways to actually balance but we will never get them

[elder crane]

I'm a believer of balance by buffing anyways

[vague token]

gotta use the carrot and the stick

overpowered goes down

underpowered goes up

[coral wren]

I wonder when azur lane will add yamato or iowa

and destroy the meta further more

[vague token]

kek

if iowa is anything like biscuit

eagles will get nothing

[coral wren]

Add USS gerald r ford as a meme

800 aviation

[vague token]

i mean, it isnt like current cv avi stats are bad

[coral wren]

True true

[vague token]

heck, we have one cvl who has cv stats

[coral wren]

Centaur?

[vague token]

and because they're a cvl

they have a lower damage penalty

from pvp

xD

.1 vs .2 for normal main fleets

[coral wren]

We all remember that time when WASD was a thing lel

[meager dawn]

Not me

Started in christmas

[coral wren]

Ah ok

[vague token]

i hated suicide comp

but im a CA dps boi

[coral wren]

yeah i started in october but just ignore that for now

[vague token]

and level 100 is antithetical to my existence

because of it

xD

[coral wren]

Ah, level 100 CAs

nightmare

[vague token]

i mean cas still dont have the time to ramp up their dps

at 120

but 100 was worse

[coral wren]

Yeah but theyre at least decent tanks and have good firepower at level 120

rather than glass cannons

[vague token]

uh, most CAs are glass cannons

[meager dawn]

They are?

[coral wren]

Less glass cannon at level 120

[vague token]

there's just a few that are M1 Abrams

[coral wren]

Roon

[vague token]

baltimore and roon are amazing m1 abrams main battle tanks

big guns, big hp

[coral wren]

Too bad i missed all of the good events

[vague token]

but you go back and look at most of the CAs

and they're all made of paper

or are just floating walls

(portland)

[coral wren]

cough cough prinz eugen

no firepower at all

[vague token]

like, suffolk retro, great damage, made of paper

xD

the glassiest sheep

shark sisters, glass cannon

minne was interesting cause she wasnt "tanky" but more like a survivor

zombie skill xD

oh right zara now

roon with less hp but 75 luck

[coral wren]

Im getting close to getting Saint Louis. Is she any good?

I know her HE is insane

And her second skill gives her that insane speed boost

[shell heron]

She's a good option. Soon to be outclassed by azuma

But azuma will take a long while to get usable

[vague token]

she's just ok

she has a problem actually aiming at things

because CA gun angles are trash

[lean geode]

if i'm using beaver badge on formi, her other equip should be the new fuel right

[elder crane]

That, beacon, rudder, or the +15 Eva +25 hit event equip are all valid considerations

depends on what you're trying to accomplish with it

[lean geode]

i've got bacon on enty so she strikes first

my team is warkai, enty, formi, belfast, juneau, ykkz

[elder crane]

Fuel or rudder then, depending on if you need more output or need more survivability
probably Fuel

[smoky elk]

have to ditched Sanrui for Jintsu, in order to retain Amagi's edge, when switched Hiryu to Wskai

[foggy spire]

Not sure why I'm seeing so many Enty in flagship position right now

Not sure if that's an attempt at a Warspite counter, but it does seem to create more problems than it solves

[forest lake]

Using Enty in the first place

[empty grove]

That nep skin

Might start using her

[forest lake]

[hot creek]

NEP SKIN?

[empty grove]

It's super good

[hot creek]

real?

best girl finally has a skin?

Last time I got baited by fan made sleepwear skin

[vague token]

wait, sora's burn chance on her aviation barrage is 1.5%

ive been bamboozled

i thought it was 100 or something

=/

whelp there goes that plan

[lean geode]

wrong channel

[ionic magnet]

neptune

ok sheffield it was fun
thank you for your services

[empty grove]

It's on JP twitter

[hot creek]

Best christmas. now I wait for L2D skin where she nods.

[vague token]

maybe i should just run formidable/essex/kirishima for max dots

[forest lake]

[south ore]

what happen to sagittary

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/EOxbD/0da64053ca.png arm placement

[coral wren]

is her tongue out? or just a really weird mouth design?

[forest lake]

Sanrui skin when

[hot creek]

looks like tongue imo

https://puu.sh/EOx8A/a7d5a24d20.png protecc

I'm too excited for this.

I ❤️ Neptune so much.

[coral wren]

now I have to raise neptune fml

[ionic magnet]

sanrui skin tmr or we riot

[empty grove]

[vague token]

hmm, sometimes dork is stealing mvp from ws

[still minnow]

what a dork

[smoky elk]

next we need christmas Sanrui

[frail orbit]

Make her HASHIRE SORI YOO

[vague token]

judgement to sinners and presents for those who were nice

[forest lake]

[vague token]

i just noticed the smol warspite

lol

[forest lake]

[odd schooner]

[hot creek]

lmao. fake gurren lagann

[vague token]

looks like you're busted

jk

[forest lake]

[odd schooner]

Oh ye had to forfeit this season.
First 3 matches no one moved

[forest lake]

[odd schooner]

[blazing scroll]

Sandy server showing once again why it's the best server

[red nexus]

Nah, sandy just doesn't have enough people

[forest lake]

Yikes already managed to sandbag 3 times

[ashen lion]

this morning, I was waiting for you to move bro lol. @blazing scroll

[blazing scroll]

No moving here

Already missed some attacks yesterday

Was busy playing csgo

[hot creek]

shouldve sandbegged

[blazing scroll]

[hot creek]

I dont mind moving a bit early if someone asks me nicely

[blazing scroll]

Does it have to asked nicely?

[hot creek]

Yes, very nicely. As in getting on your knees and begging

[blazing scroll]

I'm not into that kinda stuff

[coral wren]

Then gl getting that +point cause phoenix ain't moving till last 3 mins

[hot creek]

I'm into it

[empty grove]

That's pretty hot ngl

[ashen lion]

M

[blazing scroll]

I only do pvp for merits anyway

[ripe latch]

10/10

[shy hazel]

good costume but

dumb logic

underboob has no clothe

imagine wearing that in winter

but well at least can flex nep better in pvp now

[dusk stirrup]

[frail orbit]

Btw about Formie+Pirate+Bacon, anyone tried her with Centaur+double Hellcats?

[abstract cypress]

underbub = ez fondle = warm

[elder crane]

That sounds like Formi launches wayy too fast

Move Pirate to Cent, add helldiver to Formi instead, and the timing should line up properly

[frail orbit]

Or just reppu on cent lol

[elder crane]

He might not have reppu

[ashen silo]

What do y'all use on ykkz? Toolbox + FE?

[upper sparrow]

pvp-wise, belgun or nepgun for aux gun BB?

[forest lake]

@ashen silo Boiler+FE

@upper sparrow Nepgun since it has the highest range

[upper sparrow]

[ashen silo]

aight

Ty

[meager dawn]

[coral wren]

[granite flame]

I’m only a pvp casual and even i wouldn’t dream of saying she can challenge the meta

Meme fleet? For fun fleet? Sure

“Meta beater?”

[coral wren]

Just don’t show him this club channel pls

[empty sinew]

ahh, the good ol #622745106751029248-help troll

[midnight heron]

funny i introduced someone to dis channel but when he tried to join, discord said the club doesnt exist

[forest lake]

Genuinely want to know how tf is he winning with Vicky

[frail orbit]

Say this to him anyway.

Get Vicky Retro with jets. She'd be good afterwards.

[shell heron]

aww, I can't find the posts anymore

[hot creek]

that loadout on his vicc 🤢

heres the "meta slayer vicc"

[coral wren]

You mean daxam?

[hot creek]

just make sure she proc double damage everytime

[coral wren]

Right...

[empty grove]

[midnight heron]

if it works it doesnt matter imo

[elder crane]

Literally anything not complete garbage will work with warspite retrofit, it's pretty hilarious

Also in return anything decent with Hiryuu will work vs most Warspite retrofit teams, which is also hilarious

[still minnow]

all 3 ships in my backlinehave heavy armor, would it be helpful to put VH in the top corner for tanking wskai?

[midnight heron]

rly up to u at dat point cuz heavy already takes reduced dmg compared to med

[still minnow]

so between VH and homing beacon, you'd pick homing beacon

?

[midnight heron]

ya lul more potential dmg

useless frontline dmg but lul wtf is dis aa dmg

[coral wren]

Sandy numba wan

[misty lagoon]

Are roombas better than staags for frontline? I remember seeing something like a saint louis having a staag instead and I'm so confused

[midnight heron]

well ca hav lower acc so staag helps

[coral wren]

It’s better to use the STAAG on battleships

[hot creek]

lul

[vague token]

lol

i feel like dork/amagi/ws is a thing

aka kill extra fast

proc final counter before first air strike even with armor/rudder

xD

[still minnow]

is it true that formi with ryuuseis can hit targets that she stuns?

does avgas help to a notable degree?

[mild spruce]

if you use jet fuel you can

[hot creek]

you're gonna have a bad time.

[still minnow]

wwhat does that mean

[hot creek]

using ryuusei at all.

[still minnow]

so is that a "no she cannot hit targets before they start to move"?

[ionic magnet]

yep formi stop ends before ryuuseis hit

enemy VGs are still slowed but wont make you hit reliably

[still minnow]

and w/ avgas?

still too slow?

[ionic magnet]

even with avgas

yea

[still minnow]

why are there so many people that say to use double ryuusei on formi then

are they just salty that they missed the albacore

and are trying to convince everyone that it doesn't matter

[ionic magnet]

are they using formi with centaur slow?

[hot creek]

thats a big meem if i ever saw

[elder crane]

That's a PvE thing

[still minnow]

why is that even a pve thing

if you want double ryuusei to spank a stationary boss wouldn't you just a different carrier that actually does damage

[ionic magnet]

she still has 6 torp bombs so

[vague token]

the only other 6 torp bomb cv is... ark royal >_>

[still minnow]

oh lol

ok

[vague token]

or is there another one that is like blue or w/e

[still minnow]

So I should give my formi cuda and VH armor to help with wskai, not ryuuseis and avgas

[vague token]

no need for armor on formi, just use rudder

[ionic magnet]

yea she already has heavy armor

[vague token]

or rwg + emblem

if you miss too much

[still minnow]

what's rwg

[ionic magnet]

some eva gear + avgas/bacon

or yea rwg

[vague token]

oh you probably dont have it then

random word generator and team emblem are 25 hit/15 eva

like a worse sg

but cvs can use them

[still minnow]

no dont have word gen, and I'm using emblem on another cv since that cv hits during stun with ryuuseis

and I feel like that's the best use of the emblem hit

[vague token]

oh then rudder/gas probably

or rudder/bacon for timing

[ionic magnet]

rudder cata for fleet power

[still minnow]

lmao

[vague token]

na

zflag for fleet power

come on

[ionic magnet]

oh lol

[vague token]

_>

i should know i used zflag/rwg for a while

xD

[still minnow]

z flag does give hit

xDDDD

z flag hidden meta

[vague token]

it's more like 5% crit rate on her barrage while still giving 15 evade

kinda want to try it on another barrager

but ws auto crits already lol

[still minnow]

nice up to 23/25 on my 2nd rudder

do you guys typically use multiple rudders?

[shell heron]

I have one on my neptune and nagato

[vague token]

1 rudder on each backliner, 1 on one vanguard (usually the CA or whoever I want dead last)

or needs help

no rudders left for pve xD

[elder crane]

Well, 5 luck on it isn't super insignificant either

[empty grove]

[elder crane]

Hey, that's like, what, 1% eHP on self and 2% eDmg on vanguard?
Worth like 2 evasion and 5 hit or so

[vague token]

[still minnow]

right so the aux I've got are
bataan: rudder & emblem
lusty: rudder & beacon
formi: rudder & beaver

that is correct?

[vague token]

more or less

[elder crane]

Is fine
if you see yourself being just short on damage to kill something during a strike all the time, then consider re-equiping someone to be more offensively-oriented

That you'll just have to figure out by trying the team out

[still minnow]

timing varies because they're levelling at different speeds, but when it works as intended lusty and bataan both drop ryuuseis while the enemy vg is stunned by formi

and that nukes every frontline that I've done it to

incl lvl 120s even tho my ships are 110-115

so it seems to be going well so far

[elder crane]

oops wrong chat XD

[still minnow]

lmao

what I really need is sirius

giv sirius

smh yostar

10% more hit rate on yukikaze

on my ryuuseis

gib

is it better for wskai to be shooting bataan or formi?

or lusty I suppose

but I feel like her surviving to the end of the game is more helpful than one of the other two

[elder crane]

I'd say Formi
She's the tankiest (esp with your setup) and is only critical for first strike

[still minnow]

I've got 2 gold messers

should I put those on lusty to cycle her shield really quickly or is that a bad meme

[vague token]

that's a bad meme

only person i use MEme on is chaser

xD

[coral wren]

I'm having trouble beating a well-built Namaryuu. I'm using Monarch and Warspite in a triangle to blow up Amagi but it's not good enough. Any ideas?

After like ten resets I figured I should try something else

It does kill amagi eventually but there's too many things that could go wrong that makes me need to reset

Nagato procs, monarch whiffs, my vanguard gets melted immediately by enemy torps, etc.

Any tips on beating a well-built Namaryuu fleet

[abstract cypress]

10 reset

[coral wren]

More tbh

[vague token]

personally i dont think monarch is a reliable sniper

[coral wren]

Who would you prefer instead?

[abstract cypress]

inb4 im using e since cbt and still do the job

[coral wren]

Huh?

[vague token]

who is your third

monarch/warspite/?

[coral wren]

Centaur or Hyuuga Kai, tried both, neither worked.

[vague token]

oh ok

yeah im pretty sure neither of those will help

[abstract cypress]

not kgv/formi/qe?

[coral wren]

Well Hyuuga has Artillery Command Main Fleet so don't see why she's way worse than QE

[vague token]

qe adds evasion too

hyuuga also, as a pure sheller, doesnt work since she isnt commanded by wskai to attack the target

so she's super rng

[coral wren]

Hm

As for formi she's very underleveled and KGV is non-existent

[elder crane]

Monarch/Cent/Warkai should do fine

[coral wren]

Well it isn't thonk

[elder crane]

Double-focus on Amagi should work well with that team

[vague token]

i think it might be because you're aiming amagi, the one who actually tanks

[coral wren]

I have to reset constantly

[vague token]

if it's armor

armor amagi will nope out of that

[elder crane]

if you can't instasnipe Amagi with first set of shells, something's wrong

[coral wren]

Well it's also not working

[vague token]

standard amagi should die

[elder crane]

if you'e losing regardless, well ok

Nah, armor amagi will still die

[coral wren]

She isn't :thonk:

[elder crane]

Post equip screenshots

[still minnow]

big boy thonk

[coral wren]

Well she dies eventually but I still lose

[vague token]

i usually whiff 1 of ws's shells on amagi

so she takes up extra shelling to die

hiryuu is much easier for me to snipe

xD

[elder crane]

Amagi should be dead before 25s
if she isn't, somethings wrong with your setup

[vague token]

(cause her hp is lower)

[still minnow]

if I can get lusty to shield the VG from nagato's barrage is that a big deal? like how much damage to vg does nagato typically do?

[abstract cypress]

did u made jesus die 1st?

[elder crane]

Well, occasional 25s from warkai 2nd snipe is acceptable

[elder crane]

Nagato barrage, if it hits vanguard, generally half-murders at least one vanguard ship

Lusty isn't right timing to shield that with the normal Nagato setups

[still minnow]

my ships are underlvlled so when it hits it kills something but I've never known if that's due to levels or if that's just how nagato barrages

[still minnow]

well it would be if I used skyrockets and a beacon

[coral wren]

Equips are fine

[vague token]

if you're unlucky, nagato will rip up the majority of lights in the game if you catch the wedge part

[elder crane]

Oh, double shell Monarch
that's.... might be needed due to low levels

Are you facing 120s with that and having trouble?

[coral wren]

Yes 120s

What else do you run if not double shell

[elder crane]

cause then it's not too surprising
being down a couple of levels matters a surprising amount

Usually at most white shell+SG

[vague token]

i use only white shell on ws

nothing more

[coral wren]

So basically you are telling me that I cannot win. Cause I don't have the levels.

[vague token]

usually x/rudder on mine xD

[elder crane]

Also HFCR with 410s on warspite is too fast to load
it hits perfectly into Rudder activation

[vague token]

i mean, monarch has 0 luck so with only white shell's hit, it's like what 60% hit rate?

[coral wren]

My Hood is 120, should I sub monarch for Hood for now?

[neon wraith]

level 118 monarch should be fine imo

[elder crane]

Probably still better than 120 Hood

[coral wren]

Should I swap HPFCR to monarch and black shell to Warkai?

[neon wraith]

you want monarch to fire after warkai, so no

[elder crane]

I'd say, SG/white shell Warspite, and SG/HFCR on Monarch

Erm, either order is fine

[coral wren]

No shell on monarch?

[elder crane]

You could go White shell/HFCR for her, but ehh
probably overkill?

I'm thinking you might even want to instead go Rudder/Badge+HFCR for Monarch

[coral wren]

Also is Reppuu Ryusei Becacon Catapult alright on Centaur?

[elder crane]

Avgas or even drop tank > Cata

alternatively Rudder or Badge, depending on what proves more useful

I'd probably take Cuda over Ryuusei too for this team, but I might be wrong on that

[coral wren]

No Gas atm no cores. What about VH on centy since she's across from nagato

[elder crane]

Cent can't mount VH

CVL

[coral wren]

Oh lul

Also my vanguard options are kinda shit for PvP cause I've been focusing on PvE. Think you might be able to scrap together something usable

[vague token]

honestly if centaur was a CV she'd be nerfed in pvp

more damage penalty

xD

[empty grove]

[forest lake]

Just go Juneau Ykkz +1

[coral wren]

Juneau only 100 and yukikaze I just got like yesterday

These are what I have at high-ish level

[forest lake]

Just work on Sanrui+Ykkz+Juneau I guess?
That's what I did when my Juneau and Neptune were still <110
Had almost no problems

[vague token]

i rushed sanrui before ws kai

not worth

you're better off investing in belfast/sheffield/aurora

[still minnow]

why sheff

[vague token]

large durability boost for ykk

and anti-torpedo strategy for lead juneau

without being too late using her mid

especially now that wskai is here

[upper sparrow]

is neptune good for hms comp? like using QE or Formi/warkai/centy and ykkz/juneau/nep

[vague token]

triple bb defense can often fail to kill juneau before sniping a backline

[upper sparrow]

and neptune go for offtank or tank?

[vague token]

if she is mid

[coral wren]

Why Sanrui if London Kai does the same job

Also I put HPFCR on Monarch and black shell on Warkai an managed to win after a few more resets

[upper sparrow]

HPFCR on warkai will hit the rudder proc eh? i thought rudder proc on 30sec thing after battle start?

[forest lake]

20

Idk but I'd prefer Rudder on WarKai since she won't hit into Rudder

[coral wren]

Hm?

[forest lake]

I mean HPFCR

Brain ded

[coral wren]

Monarch needs hit more tbh I figured I'd just speed up warkai

[ionic magnet]

im confident warkai monarch cent should not take you 10 resets to win if you just have proper VG

kgv mona cent is one of the meta hms teams before warkai

and warkai is a straight upgrade from kgv

[elder crane]

btw London kai is terrible for PvP since she's too squishy

Can't even leverage DpS since too squishy

Sandyret you actually can say for PvP does everything London does but better
More DpS on light (which is all that matters for vanguard basically)
Better self survivability, and more speed since CL
Also massive AA

[still minnow]

omg

was trying to test ryuuseis and avgas on formi

but I also had lv 70 eldridge

in the first test eldridge got fucking deleted immediately and I lost the match hard

in the 2nd test kgv didn't shoot at the vg and eldridge procced her skill and I won without losing a single vg ship

fucking levels in this game omg

I've got eldridge and 2 CLs, overall I've got 3 boilers

how do I know if I've got enough boilers

[shell heron]

Idk how much a boiler will help with eld's speed being that slow

But I run 2 CLs and ykk so 2 is enough

[still minnow]

both the CLs have torp bulges

technically I could rpelace them with boilers

[coral wren]

jesus christ. warkai is so damn annoying to deal with

there's a guy with a warkai, hiryuu, amagi backline that keeps deleting my team and made me reset 40 times

[shy hazel]

good

[coral wren]

yeah good. fuck hms fleets

[shy hazel]

make hiro suffer more

[coral wren]

im not suffering

i want more resets

[shy hazel]

[coral wren]

its just this one guy got creative with his lineup that completely counters me

[shy hazel]

so u are masochist

i get it now

[coral wren]

oui. love is pain

[shy hazel]

[coral wren]

you can make a salt factory out of me

mixed with blood, sweat, tears

and oil

[shy hazel]

[coral wren]

pr 2 coming.

[still minnow]

creative
hiryuu warkai amagi

excuse me

[coral wren]

yeah

[still minnow]

can you define the word creative

I feel like it means something different to you than it does to me

[coral wren]

you havent met one yet

try looking for a guy with tht backline

[still minnow]

isounds like standard broken AF meta vomit to me

[vague token]

[coral wren]

hes called toxic 4 too

that commander lives up to his name

toxic 4

the funniest part of it is the hiryuu in the middle

[still minnow]

ok thats pretty funny

[coral wren]

guy wants to cram every bits of annoying shit in his team

well my warkai just needs to reach 120 to join the cancer

Warkai> Dev30 Monarch

[runic sleet]

just target Amagi shes the one providing so much protection to the backline anyways. Whats your set up even?

[forest lake]

How much points y'all at

For reference in case I missed my attacks

[ionic magnet]

976 9/10 with 2 missed charges

[forest lake]

I'm at 1k 9/10

Ok guess I didn't miss any attacks fortunately

[vague token]

964 10/10 no missed attacks

xD

what even are bonus points

[forest lake]

[coral wren]

980 9/10

2 missed attempts

[blazing scroll]

925 8/10

Don't ask how many I missed

I stopped tracking

[midnight heron]

im pretty sure toxic 4 is in my guild lul tho i dont believe we're acquainted

[charred sable]

Finally maxed out Saint Louis. 50a of +35% EVA is pretty nice

With Beaver Badge + Washing Machine, she's at 186 EVA ((85 +35 + 40) * 1.35 which is almost as good as a DD's ~200) for most of the fight

[stable dawn]

Missed a whole reset. RIP me this season.

[hoary pasture]

is 76mm > 120mm single on ayaya in pvp? i feel like the range difference doesnt really matter as much since the AI usually facetanks and doesnt back off far often enough

[midnight heron]

its not the range diff dat matters

its whether u want more barrage or more aa

and the aa boost is huge for ijn dd

[hoary pasture]

so they both still perform equally well on her depending on if the AA is needed?

[midnight heron]

its not rly equal; in the end its up to u to decide which benefit u want

more barrage or more aa

personally i go for aa just cuz im lazy to change

also barrage like to miss cuz lul rng

[hoary pasture]

damn.... mag torps suck that much on her?

i hate using the quads cuz the ai keeps making her go to the bottom of the screen before she launches it and it misses entirely like 7/10 times

[midnight heron]

mag torps dont affect ur barrage

[midnight heron]

76mm is mostly for AA

[zenith tundra]

76mm on aya gives her the best chances that her skill is up when she shoots torpedoes while twin 100 is better for increasing her aa stat

[zenith tundra]

idk what he uses but amagi ws kai hiryuu is far from cancer defense fleet

[shy hazel]

[zenith tundra]

i wouldn't use aya in the 1st place tbh
on yuki aa is much more important then barrage

[upper sparrow]

is there a significant difference between warkai triple 410mm and 406mk6 to enemy backliner? cant use triple 410mm yet, lacking purple plate

[coral wren]

what was hiro's setup

fc should have annihilated that setup

[midnight heron]

i got rekt by dat setup as well when i was still using 2/3 meta backline

[forest lake]

@upper sparrow /armor

/armor

[strange moat]

https://i.imgur.com/fNpbP2T.jpg

[forest lake]

110%/90% modifiers to 130%/110% modifier for Medium/Heavy

So you'd roughly deal 20% more damage against Medium/Heavy armor opponents with a slight FP boost to your barrage

[blazing scroll]

What's meta anyway

I create my own meta

[midnight heron]

if u create ur own meta then u're still using meta

[elder crane]

Wait lol I'm testing Warkai/Amagi/Hiryuu right now

Not sure how good the team actually is though
Can't find an actually good enemy team
Warspite too good, can't even get them to proc Hiryuu

Anyways, thought process is, I was trying out Namagi WSret, when I realized, what does Nagato even do for that team
Losing vanguard fight is basically a nonissue, and Nagato doesn't focus with Amagi/Warkai, so she's just buffing Amagi really
Plus 40% barrage on offense is a bit..... yeah
Hiryuu is the obvious option for maintaining 4IJN for Amagi, still provides some support for sniping with suicide damage, and ofc is a nice wall vs Warspite and backup cleanup option in general

I mean, Namagi Warkai is already offense ez win
Not sure how it'd even be possible to figure out which is better

Probably conclusion is gonna be, "yep, this works too"

Not sure tbh
I currently have her flag, which is nice in that it lets Hiryuu stick to the side, and she focuses not-Nagato for both first and second target, which is what you want anyways vs those teams
Flag spot though might prove too vulnerable for her, and this basically locks you into always sniping top spot first

Idk, seems fine to me
Kills focus target/procs Hiryuu before 2nd warspite barrage happens, so far, unless amagi double nonprocs and shelling RNG is unfavorable

Ofc all teams faced so far have been always subpar one way or another, afaik

Wait lol critical failure nvm
Amagi doesn't fully hit her barrage before warspite 2nd barrage
I suppose that Nagato reload is required for the threshold

Well, "critical" as in theoretically

Not sure how much it really matters

Hmm, maybe this means you want a different gun on Amagi?
Rather than twin381

I suppose her barrage is most of her focus anyways though so it probably doesn't really help much

[vague token]

try dork(triple 410 hsfcr), amagi (triple 381), wskai (triple 410)

sometimes top slot just needs to die ;)

it's so much fun

ah yes, zrqv with the sheffield vg but juneau mid dies way too late when you run triple bb

xD

kill his warspite around 22-26

man the fact that dork doesnt waste her first shot amp on vg thanks to warspite targeting sure is great

[midnight heron]

someone shud try ws/dork/monarch to nuke top spot with ap shells

before jun can even proc

[vague token]

no need to waste a slot on monarch

just use amagi so you can convert your barrage on the next target

;)

plus huge durability boost

[coral wren]

Mutsu-kai meta when?

Jokes aside, has anyone tested a WarKai/Monarch/KGV main fleet yet? I don't see one listed on the tier list.

[forest lake]

I'm using that ye

Only losses due to RNG stuff

[coral wren]

oh wow

over 700 ranks lead and still +0

[elder crane]

I swear at this point we can just say that Warkai+any good set of ships is T0

[empty grove]

[meager dawn]

warkai doy scharnhorst, snipe the backline

[glacial shuttle]

not worth buying Beacon or Fuel for PvP?

[meager dawn]

worth

especially fuel

cuz it's just better oil tank

[glacial shuttle]

so buy both?

[lament lichen]

yes

[glacial shuttle]

should I just dissasemble the Oil Tanks then?

[vague token]

i mean you only have 1 jet fuel atm

might as well wait

[vague token]

https://gyazo.com/fbfafdf44e73b834c995d80494b2697e

https://gyazo.com/0f0316ce2e4e32e36075deafda06bdb2

[shy hazel]

kiro showing blue whos boss

@elder crane

[vague token]

xD

[shy hazel]

[dusk stirrup]

[vague token]

i feel like i havent seen ibuki do anything

10:0 xD

the only close one was where amagi decided to dodge every first set of shells

on two matches juneau died before first divine marksman

not sure how that happened

on two sets the triple focus kills amagi through juneau dying after the divine marksman

[proper thistle]

Trying to remember what the setup for Jun was supposed to be. I don't own mag torps, what was the primary supposed to be?

[vague token]

that's fine

if you have extra mag torps might as well

[proper thistle]

[coral wren]

Hi guys

[ionic magnet]

[proper thistle]

Hiho

[coral wren]

I have a question for you guys is that team combination good or bad and if it's bad would you do better

[proper thistle]

Prinz bad

[ionic magnet]

its decent but you will probably have a hard time facing namaryuus
and yea get prinz out of there

[coral wren]

What should I take instead of prinz

[ionic magnet]

ykkz and juneau

[proper thistle]

Jun or Yuki seem standard

[ionic magnet]

remove eld

for backline lusty dont do much also tbh
any other botes you have?

[coral wren]

But doesn't do el my vangards invulnerable for a short time duration

Sorry for my English it sucks sometimes

[ionic magnet]

yea but her timing is off when facing meta teams

[coral wren]

Oh ok

And I don't have juneau

[vague token]

juneau is pretty common

[ionic magnet]

eld is good for countering slow botes like enty but thats it

[proper thistle]

Speaking of PvP comps this is more or less what I put together after your tips the other day @ionic magnet
Let's pretend monarch is higher dev level. Will hiryuu Kai be a good standin for centaur while I test my luck on special build?
And what would be my best thing to focus on upgrading?
http://imgur.com/a/i2FLwJu
Have spent the bulk of the day farming exp and retroing hiryuu.
Am currently upgrading yukis ability

[coral wren]

Yeah sure she is common but never got her

[ionic magnet]

meta now is nagato+amagi both of which fires before eld procs her skill

[vague token]

eldridge would require bel

to cover you from 10-20

so you can live

[coral wren]

I have bel

She is in the team

[ionic magnet]

@proper thistle kgv wants 3 more hms botes with her for the skill buff
do you have qe doy ws formi
i forgot what else you have sorry but yea its really nice if you can bring 3 more hms

also kgv wants her signature gun

[proper thistle]

Which was the sig gun?

[ionic magnet]

else you might as well use a different bote

er quad something i forgot

wait

[vague token]

356

[ionic magnet]

oh there

[coral wren]

@ionic magnet

Now you should see it better and ignore the names

[vague token]

looks like launch of game pvp

xD

[proper thistle]

Rip doesn't seem like I have that one

[ionic magnet]

can only get from tech boxes iirc

[vague token]

pr bps

i think

[proper thistle]

I do have qe, ws no sword so that's

[ionic magnet]

oh that too

[vague token]

you only need one =(

it's as annoying as gold sonar

[coral wren]

You should know why

[ionic magnet]

well you can just stick with kgv
then pray you get her gun while waiting for centaur

just stay away from fighting meta comps for now

also farm 1 or 2 more SG radars

[proper thistle]

Is this the one

[ionic magnet]

yea

[proper thistle]

That's a ways off. Oof

[vague token]

you get more of those then you'd think

it's not pr locked so you get too many

xD

[coral wren]

Wanna have mine I don't need it

[proper thistle]

I farmed 6-1 for literally 12 hours today

No drops of radar

Feels good

[ionic magnet]

centaur will prolly cucc you longer anyway

[proper thistle]

Will continue 6-1 farm tomorrow but tbh I burned so much oil today that I probably need to wait

Was centaur hms?

[ionic magnet]

yea she is

[vague token]

yeah

post war cvl

xD

[proper thistle]

[coral wren]

@ionic magnet could you also tell me if the equipment I have is good on my pvp ships

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

usually you use an oil tank or jet fuel, not double cata (enterprise)

[ionic magnet]

replace autoloader with another SG or rudder or hfcr (if you have it)

[coral wren]

Hfrc??? What's that

[ionic magnet]

high standard fire control radar

from FW event

[coral wren]

Hmm wait a sec I look

[ionic magnet]

do you have pearl and beaver

[coral wren]

Nope

[ionic magnet]

well better start working on those

[coral wren]

I mean I almost have the pearl but where can I get the beaver

[proper thistle]

Oh should I throw beaver somewhere @ionic magnet

[ionic magnet]

yep

same as pearl

[proper thistle]

Where would it be best suited