#pvp | Azur Lane Official | Page 506

sage thistle Dec 10, 2019, 2:47 PM

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rip

zenith tundra Dec 10, 2019, 2:47 PM

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amagi rerun soon

proper thistle Dec 10, 2019, 2:48 PM

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Rip indeed

meager dawn Dec 10, 2019, 2:48 PM

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but when tho

proper thistle Dec 10, 2019, 2:48 PM

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I hope so. I really like nagato though so am sad I missed her

sage thistle Dec 10, 2019, 2:48 PM

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for the longest time i used Hood, Enterprise, illustrious, eldridge, belfast, and another ship i forgot

buoyant parrot Dec 10, 2019, 2:48 PM

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Don't bother with it. Will have PR2 soon

sage thistle Dec 10, 2019, 2:48 PM

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but its not very meta now

buoyant parrot Dec 10, 2019, 2:48 PM

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Just get FDG that will solve most of your problems

sage thistle Dec 10, 2019, 2:49 PM

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Nagato, Amagi, FDG

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👀

proper thistle Dec 10, 2019, 2:49 PM

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That's 3 things I don't have lol

shell heron Dec 10, 2019, 2:49 PM

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Need IB ships to grind exp

sage thistle Dec 10, 2019, 2:49 PM

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just use Sandy

meager dawn Dec 10, 2019, 2:49 PM

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also KMS backline

sage thistle Dec 10, 2019, 2:49 PM

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:^)

proper thistle Dec 10, 2019, 2:49 PM

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Gonna be interesting to see if I can even work on fdg

zenith tundra Dec 10, 2019, 2:49 PM

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pr2 makes 0 impact in pvp forever since only dr ships are pvp viable and those take forever to even dev 20

sage thistle Dec 10, 2019, 2:49 PM

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regular sandy

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without the retro

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AkagiLUL

shell heron Dec 10, 2019, 2:50 PM

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Remember most IB mainfleet ships are event

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But I see Bismarck

sage thistle Dec 10, 2019, 2:50 PM

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you can just use enterprise, and the fox sisters

meager dawn Dec 10, 2019, 2:50 PM

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are there even perma KMS backlines

sage thistle Dec 10, 2019, 2:50 PM

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thats still decent

proper thistle Dec 10, 2019, 2:50 PM

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squint

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Don't think there is much I can do with ib

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Especially for pvp

meager dawn Dec 10, 2019, 2:51 PM

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yeah, they really aren't that good

blazing scroll Dec 10, 2019, 2:51 PM

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Imagine waiting for FDG when it will take another 6 months to be able to use her

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MakinaSmug

meager dawn Dec 10, 2019, 2:51 PM

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6 months
1 year for me

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KagaWoke

shell heron Dec 10, 2019, 2:51 PM

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Not even kidding. Decisive bps UniSip

blazing scroll Dec 10, 2019, 2:52 PM

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That's why Georgia is the real thing

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MiniSip

shell heron Dec 10, 2019, 2:52 PM

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But my first grind is azuma. I miss having fast amagi barrage

blazing scroll Dec 10, 2019, 2:53 PM

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Azuma is in the same boat as FDG

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Altho she's useable a bit faster

proper thistle Dec 10, 2019, 2:54 PM

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Was JB pve only? Don't think I saw her in any comps

blazing scroll Dec 10, 2019, 2:54 PM

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Yea

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Unless you like gambling

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MakinaSmug

zenith tundra Dec 10, 2019, 2:55 PM

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by dev 25 azuma is when she really starts becoming good for pvp since she becomes a wall

proper thistle Dec 10, 2019, 2:55 PM

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squint

jovial mural Dec 10, 2019, 3:11 PM

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I've heard that gascogne would be fine at low dev, is that true?

zenith tundra Dec 10, 2019, 3:12 PM

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dunno about pvp but considering that she has mgm from skill and her barrage is pretty good u can use her whenever u want it just takes a bit before her mg shoots actually hurt

jovial mural Dec 10, 2019, 3:34 PM

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Do u think at some point gasco will be played in meta pvp teams?

zenith tundra Dec 10, 2019, 3:35 PM

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i don't think she is pvp material

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her barrage is more meant for screen clearing not burst dmg. her special aim doesn't really work in pvp. she has no synergy with any other ship

elder crane Dec 10, 2019, 3:41 PM

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And ofc without multiple fights, she doesn't get too much out of her heal+evasion skill

midnight heron Dec 10, 2019, 4:26 PM

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wat is dis does it affect pvp BuckySmug

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meager dawn Dec 10, 2019, 4:29 PM

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probably

zenith tundra Dec 10, 2019, 4:30 PM

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it's a small dps optimize that mostly affects sandy kita and seattle

elder crane Dec 10, 2019, 4:30 PM

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It's the hand animation thing
basically 0 effect in pvp

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Well, not really
kita is affected since 100mm is BiS, but Sandy probably only sees a small effect

meager dawn Dec 10, 2019, 4:30 PM

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t0+
~~you mean t-1~~

elder crane Dec 10, 2019, 4:31 PM

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Seattle should be able to run her own gun now in double-gun config without losing DpS AkagiLUL

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If they do the fix properly ofc

zenith tundra Dec 10, 2019, 4:32 PM

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which wont happen

coral wren Dec 10, 2019, 4:58 PM

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Hm, does formi need a beacon to sync better with cent?

elder crane Dec 10, 2019, 4:58 PM

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Not really

coral wren Dec 10, 2019, 4:58 PM

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jsut fuel tank with rudder?

elder crane Dec 10, 2019, 4:58 PM

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you can run beacon on either Cent or Formi and still adjust it to work

coral wren Dec 10, 2019, 4:59 PM

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Hm, actually, with cudas i guess there is no need in it. But with ryu it would be quite handy

elder crane Dec 10, 2019, 4:59 PM

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Jet fuel is almost a necessity on Cent, yeah

coral wren Dec 10, 2019, 5:00 PM

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aighty, thx

elder crane Dec 10, 2019, 5:00 PM

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I wouldn't bother with drop tanks on FC
Their whole point is that they delete vanguards
fuel tank doesn't help with deleting vanguards, and for main fleet, after first strike, vanguard is already dead so AA is not an issue

modest elbow Dec 10, 2019, 5:06 PM

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who's the flagship with this FC comp

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AkashiHide

elder crane Dec 10, 2019, 5:08 PM

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Formi does pretty well
fairly tanky and is the most disposable after you kill vanguard
If you run a BB with it, that's fine too
KGV and monarch perform better in flag slot too

frail orbit Dec 10, 2019, 5:13 PM

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Preferred KGV tbh.
Just bkoz Monarch is with QE and WaKai keks

ashen lion Dec 10, 2019, 7:14 PM

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WarPat

plain carbon Dec 10, 2019, 7:35 PM

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how far did you guys develope this

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the passive boosts seem small at first but do add up I guess

elder crane Dec 10, 2019, 7:41 PM

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7673 for me
mostly just a nice bonus, yeah, not really impactful
Also completely irrelevant for PvP since it doesn't apply in PvP

plain carbon Dec 10, 2019, 7:42 PM

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doesnt apply to pvp

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aight imma head out

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I only started to level it because I tohught it does 😄

blazing scroll Dec 10, 2019, 7:45 PM

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Wasn't it bugged out in a way that you got a bonus in pvp?

elder crane Dec 10, 2019, 7:49 PM

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that was patched days after release
and it was that your opponent got your fleet tech bonus, aka more fleet tech is bad

blazing scroll Dec 10, 2019, 8:35 PM

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But the bug was there

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MakinaSmug

south ore Dec 10, 2019, 8:47 PM

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well it applies to pr2 which applies to pvp

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BuckySmug

ionic magnet Dec 10, 2019, 9:28 PM

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Their whole point is that they delete vanguards```
im p sure FC strength is on their backline pressure
and now with warkai its easier than ever
keeping enemy VGs alive actually helps your own VG to be safe from BB aux and nagato barrage 
warkai shelling and normal CV bombs + formi slow/stop can take care of VGs anyways

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also fleet tech does affect your fleet power when you attack
your def fleet doesn't get it tho

hot creek Dec 10, 2019, 9:32 PM

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Yeah I prefer it if they don't pop Juneau before sinking a backliner.

elder crane Dec 10, 2019, 9:45 PM

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It affects fleet power but that's a bug; it doesn't actually have any in-combat effects

ionic magnet Dec 10, 2019, 9:48 PM

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yea i never tested if it actually applies in fights

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just funny seeing different fleet powers in attack and def

elder crane Dec 10, 2019, 9:49 PM

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If you want main fleet pressure, you don't run Formi
the whole point of Formi is to kill vanguard, which means that 2nd strike doesn't get slapped by AA, and maybe even unloads munitions on main fleet
Which leads the the second point, with FC aurora, drop tank is only useful for first strike; by second, their AA ships are all dead

hoary pasture Dec 10, 2019, 9:49 PM

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is there anything that can beat a dev30 fdg?

elder crane Dec 10, 2019, 9:50 PM

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Namagi 457 warkai is generally considered the other T0 comp for offense

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Nagato-amagi-hiryuu also still does okayish

hoary pasture Dec 10, 2019, 9:50 PM

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she hurts

elder crane Dec 10, 2019, 9:50 PM

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Really hard to kill
does lots of damage

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more of the former though

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damage-wise, she's not the absolute top

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well, ofc surviving longer = more damage too

hoary pasture Dec 10, 2019, 9:51 PM

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fdg isnt top dmg at dev30?

elder crane Dec 10, 2019, 9:52 PM

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Yeah, she's mostly shelling reliant
her barrage is meh, it's decent pressure on vanguard still apparently
Warkai and Georgia have her beat on damage output for same time, but ofc FdG sticks around longer

hoary pasture Dec 10, 2019, 9:53 PM

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this is based off of calculations mostly right? or do some ppl already somehow have her at dev30?

elder crane Dec 10, 2019, 9:53 PM

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Testing

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pre-dev30 she's not good enough to displace other ships usually

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dev30 both DRs within 4 months 🐳

hoary pasture Dec 10, 2019, 9:54 PM

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it's possible to get the DRs in 4 months by whaling? im assuming on the coin research?

elder crane Dec 10, 2019, 9:54 PM

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cubes is where it's at

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this is CN though
they took like 2.5 years to do our 1 year of content, so might not have been 🐳 at all technically

hoary pasture Dec 10, 2019, 9:55 PM

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damn so people already have dev30 DRs lol.... wtf

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so FDG is just hits pretty hard and mostly doesnt die?

elder crane Dec 10, 2019, 9:56 PM

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Yep
DpS isn't very top, but ofc living longer = more damage
and ofc she soaks damage well

ionic magnet Dec 10, 2019, 9:56 PM

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the whole point of Formi is to kill vanguard, which means that 2nd strike doesn't get slapped by AA, and maybe even unloads munitions on main fleet```
well thats not formi's whole point
its to have heavy backline pressure while still doing work on VG
going all in on VG pressure can get tricky especially with aurora
stall + cudas is just more consistent and no real weakness

hoary pasture Dec 10, 2019, 9:56 PM

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georgia and warkai outperform her in dmg u said.... i thought georgia's dmg output is pretty bad outside of manual play?

ionic magnet Dec 10, 2019, 9:57 PM

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i've put wfc at t0 with stall + cudas in mind
other variants are just inconsistent at times

elder crane Dec 10, 2019, 9:57 PM

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Why would you even run Formi over other options then WarShrug

ionic magnet Dec 10, 2019, 9:57 PM

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like what options?

elder crane Dec 10, 2019, 9:57 PM

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Say, KGV, Amagi, Monarch, or even Enty etc.

zenith tundra Dec 10, 2019, 9:59 PM

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from what i saw geoegia is heavy reliant on barrage hitting to do anything which works really well in pvp since opponents don't actually move

ionic magnet Dec 10, 2019, 9:59 PM

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none of them does backline pressure while still slowing/stopping VGs so warspite+cent can just delete them almost 100% of the time

elder crane Dec 10, 2019, 10:00 PM

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Hence

the whole point being you wreck vanguard with her (compared to other options)
you don't need to worry about AA much since you murder vanguard

ionic magnet Dec 10, 2019, 10:01 PM

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again, she helps in murdering backline more than VGs cos VGs will die at some point anyway

elder crane Dec 10, 2019, 10:01 PM

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Still, I don't see why you'd bother with drop tank/avgas on Formi

ionic magnet Dec 10, 2019, 10:02 PM

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and you dont want to kill VGs fast anyways if you dont want nagato to just equalize your advantage

elder crane Dec 10, 2019, 10:02 PM

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And ofc it's compared to other options
If formi didn't have her stop, I doubt we'd use her at all

ionic magnet Dec 10, 2019, 10:02 PM

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why not its free crash dmg

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sure her slow is busted when syncing with BBs tbh

zenith tundra Dec 10, 2019, 10:04 PM

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if u use tank for "free" crash dmg u might as well use something that makes her survive longer and shoot more airstrikes instead

ionic magnet Dec 10, 2019, 10:04 PM

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im using rudder + avgas

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for reference

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beacon does nothing as there is still an internal cd and you want to sync her with warkai anyways

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and gold cata is a meme

elder crane Dec 10, 2019, 10:05 PM

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either Rudder+beacon or Rudder+Kizbox for me
or even Rudder+Badge

ionic magnet Dec 10, 2019, 10:05 PM

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nah badge is for cent

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and rudder is more than enough for her to tank warkai+amagi focus

elder crane Dec 10, 2019, 10:07 PM

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idk why syncing wsret with Formi matters
You're focusing main fleet with wsret anyways

ionic magnet Dec 10, 2019, 10:07 PM

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she still dies like 1/3 of the time but its enough to get wins consistently

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er you still want to kill enemy VGs no?

elder crane Dec 10, 2019, 10:07 PM

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WSret shoots at main fleet though

ionic magnet Dec 10, 2019, 10:08 PM

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first shot sure

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2nd and 3rd shots are random

elder crane Dec 10, 2019, 10:08 PM

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2nd/3rd don't even match up with formi stop

ionic magnet Dec 10, 2019, 10:08 PM

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it is

elder crane Dec 10, 2019, 10:08 PM

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plus, does mk6 on her even reliably snipe her focus target?

ionic magnet Dec 10, 2019, 10:08 PM

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im using triple 381

elder crane Dec 10, 2019, 10:09 PM

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I couldn't get that to happen without 410AP

zenith tundra Dec 10, 2019, 10:09 PM

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georgia gun might be best option once u get that

elder crane Dec 10, 2019, 10:09 PM

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ah, I suppose HFCR 381 does match up with Formi stop on 2/3 salvos

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457 is basically slightly more dmg and much faster 410AP, so for sure

ionic magnet Dec 10, 2019, 10:10 PM

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yeah she snipes her target (hiryuu) just fine

elder crane Dec 10, 2019, 10:10 PM

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Wait, Hiryuu focus over Amagi?

ionic magnet Dec 10, 2019, 10:10 PM

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yep

zenith tundra Dec 10, 2019, 10:10 PM

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killing hiryuu 1st when vg is around is better

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wairing for her to snipe everything once vg is dead is a suicide

elder crane Dec 10, 2019, 10:12 PM

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Killing amagi first though just ups your output a lot and greatly reduces theirs in my experience
I had more success focusing that way WarShrug

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I suppose it's a off/def difference too
having enemy warkai focus Hiryuu is an easy win for offense

ionic magnet Dec 10, 2019, 10:12 PM

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matches aren't that long for amagi focus to make a difference imo
so i just pick the one where i can get faster matches
from my testing so far im getting just the same winrate whether i focus hiryuu or amagi

zenith tundra Dec 10, 2019, 10:13 PM

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problem is if u cannot force final counter before ur vg dies it gets much harder to win

elder crane Dec 10, 2019, 10:14 PM

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Well, Amagi dead and Nagato soon to follow tends to mean enemy output drops enough that it doesn't really matter anymore in my experience

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But I can see the argument for the other way around

zenith tundra Dec 10, 2019, 10:15 PM

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if u can just delete amagi sure. if opponent amagi just decides to dodge everything then u might as well kill hiryuu 1st

elder crane Dec 10, 2019, 10:15 PM

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I mean, Hiryuu can do that too

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and if she does when you focus her, you're screwed

zenith tundra Dec 10, 2019, 10:15 PM

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cv dmg is bad if they drop everything on vg most of the time

ionic magnet Dec 10, 2019, 10:15 PM

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yeah but at the same time amagi is tankier than hiryuu
meaning higher chances of just wasting your first barrage/salvos

elder crane Dec 10, 2019, 10:16 PM

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It's more "letting Namagi have free reign as you struggle to finish Hiryuu"
at least that's how it is for Hiryuu on offense, I suppose def is different

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Or it might be a FC warkai thing, since FC doesn't work on defense at all

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I actually don't run HSFCR
with 410AP, it puts you right at the correct timing to get cucked by rudder

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literally hits shots right at :40, so it's better to have the gun shoot that 3s slower CleveXD

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Can't wait til 457 so that's not an issue

zenith tundra Dec 10, 2019, 10:19 PM

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u'll wait quite a bit for it

ionic magnet Dec 10, 2019, 10:19 PM

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yeah probably a niche for wfc
triple 381 lands exactly at 20s mark lol
just thinking about rudder procs makes me sad
but so far its no big deal

elder crane Dec 10, 2019, 10:20 PM

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wait, shouldn't HSFCR 381 hit before 20s, at least first salvo?

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cause 410AP hits literally right at 20s, and triple 381 should be faster

ionic magnet Dec 10, 2019, 10:20 PM

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i dont have hsfcr
~~dont make me say it~~

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PortDoll

zenith tundra Dec 10, 2019, 10:22 PM

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is this worth attacking?

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ionic magnet Dec 10, 2019, 10:23 PM

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whats top100 score?

zenith tundra Dec 10, 2019, 10:24 PM

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elder crane Dec 10, 2019, 10:24 PM

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Hmm, probably not?
Might still give you a +1 though since it's super early season

ionic magnet Dec 10, 2019, 10:24 PM

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yea prolly a +1 or +2

elder crane Dec 10, 2019, 10:24 PM

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1414 vs your 2014 looks like just 1 match done over you

zenith tundra Dec 10, 2019, 10:26 PM

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+1 it was but i only went up to 1789 rank

elder crane Dec 10, 2019, 10:31 PM

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Early-season rank jumps are just all over the place WarShrug
I misjudged this one I suppose

ionic magnet Dec 10, 2019, 10:32 PM

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must be nice having movements on list

empty grove Dec 10, 2019, 10:32 PM

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MakinaSmug

zenith tundra Dec 10, 2019, 10:32 PM

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it actually is but it was like 2 people moved in like 30 min after daily reset

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it gets much worse if u have high score in the +10 part of the season. the season when i reached 2607 i got days of +1 per reset...

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people move at the same time so u land on people that already rushed

ionic magnet Dec 10, 2019, 10:35 PM

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2607

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UniYan

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thats a normal season?

zenith tundra Dec 10, 2019, 10:36 PM

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don't worry it wasn't a good score

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2604* sorry

ionic magnet Dec 10, 2019, 10:36 PM

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wow jp masterrace

empty grove Dec 10, 2019, 10:36 PM

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That server must have a ton of activity

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Yae

ionic magnet Dec 10, 2019, 10:37 PM

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MutsukiStare

shy hazel Dec 10, 2019, 10:37 PM

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笑

empty grove Dec 10, 2019, 10:45 PM

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HeresMaki

vague token Dec 10, 2019, 10:57 PM

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so wait

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are we getting the vg gun speed fixes

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cause i see the patch notes and it "says" they're fixing the reload thing

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Thinkpitz

zenith tundra Dec 10, 2019, 10:57 PM

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i think en will get it just like the plane thing

empty grove Dec 10, 2019, 10:58 PM

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We get fixes?

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Yae

zenith tundra Dec 10, 2019, 10:59 PM

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u mean fixes for ships that aren't even in en

vague token Dec 10, 2019, 10:59 PM

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sandy is in en

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=(

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i mean 100mm is a meme

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but still

empty grove Dec 10, 2019, 11:00 PM

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Can they fix the grammar error on belfast's oath skin?

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No?

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Ok

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Shiratsuyusleep

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Been like it for 15 months now

zenith tundra Dec 10, 2019, 11:01 PM

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jp has missing side scroll bar in mission page for at least 2 months now and no fix yet

empty grove Dec 10, 2019, 11:01 PM

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Yeptune

ionic magnet Dec 10, 2019, 11:02 PM

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whats the tldr for the hand animation fix btw

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sandy will get better?

zenith tundra Dec 10, 2019, 11:02 PM

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no one knows the actual fix yet

ionic magnet Dec 10, 2019, 11:03 PM

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oh YorkBruh

vague token Dec 10, 2019, 11:03 PM

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i mean it SAYS they're fixing it

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but you know

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"fixing"

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xD

ionic magnet Dec 10, 2019, 11:03 PM

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AL fixing UniStare

empty grove Dec 10, 2019, 11:06 PM

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I'm ready

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TamaSghetti

hot creek Dec 10, 2019, 11:09 PM

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fix my "conserve energy" sign pls

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vague token Dec 10, 2019, 11:10 PM

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what's wrong with it

hot creek Dec 10, 2019, 11:10 PM

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pretty sure its been in chinese longer than it has in english at this point.

vague token Dec 10, 2019, 11:10 PM

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oh

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xD

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moon runes fun time

zenith tundra Dec 10, 2019, 11:10 PM

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is there a bug report for it?

vague token Dec 10, 2019, 11:10 PM

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is that really even a bug?

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or just lazy design

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xD

zenith tundra Dec 10, 2019, 11:11 PM

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they put wrong asset in game. that imo is a bug

split socket Dec 10, 2019, 11:11 PM

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used to be in english

vague token Dec 10, 2019, 11:11 PM

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oh

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ok

empty grove Dec 10, 2019, 11:17 PM

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It'll just be shoved into trello

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The "We listen but don't actually" place

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EmileSip

elder crane Dec 10, 2019, 11:20 PM

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Right now, the absCD used in all reload calculations is related to the hand animation thingy

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depending on how they fix it, our absCD numbers might change
this will have effects mostly on DD gun relative DpS, but potentially can also touch some edge-cases on CL/CA guns

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Probably nothing particularly relevant for pvP though

zenith tundra Dec 10, 2019, 11:21 PM

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i wish they would just remove hand animation all together tbh

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and let stuff happen how it's supposed to

vague token Dec 10, 2019, 11:23 PM

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i was reading the article

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and it hits kitakaze/sandy/seattle the most

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aka ships with high reload, fast guns, and MGM+1

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(although seattle has MGM+1, aux, and a fake aux)

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(for 4 total guns lol)

zenith tundra Dec 10, 2019, 11:25 PM

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didn't count asw depth charge

elder crane Dec 10, 2019, 11:25 PM

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Yeah, 100mm Kita can't fire depth charges AkagiLUL

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well, unless nothing to shoot at

zenith tundra Dec 10, 2019, 11:26 PM

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poor kita can't even fire her weapon properly. with autoloader and oxy u get 0.7 mg reload

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even with absolute cds that is 1.06 and she is forced to fire at 1.2

vague token Dec 10, 2019, 11:27 PM

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=(

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oh right seattle gets 5 guns

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cause depth charge

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xD

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i cant hold all these guns

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 12:36 AM

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lol triple barrage (ws/monarch/dork)

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 1:32 AM

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Is this where my journey just ends?
My meme team isn't able to compete with these defense fleets even with attacker bonus
How often do the refreshes Regen?

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zenith tundra Dec 11, 2019, 1:33 AM

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u get 5 each day after daily reset

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 1:34 AM

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Oof. Well I guess I can hope that I get lucky tomorrow

zenith tundra Dec 11, 2019, 1:35 AM

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wait how can't u beat a 4k main fleet comp?

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 1:38 AM

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it's probably like a high level solo

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 1:39 AM

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It's all lvl 120 stuff

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And my highest is bisq who I don't use for PvP for obvious reasons

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haHaaa

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 1:40 AM

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https://streamable.com/zazsa
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testing amagi vs hiryuu focus
hard to say which is better if both of them work just the same

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coral wren Dec 11, 2019, 1:41 AM

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Nooooo my 2 attempts despite having such a start!

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Omegalilwoo

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 1:41 AM

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BuckySmug

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i ate a -1 cos of this test kek

coral wren Dec 11, 2019, 1:41 AM

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I'm actually fuming right now. Should i stop sleeping forever and ever

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 1:43 AM

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still fine if you wont go for eos ranks

coral wren Dec 11, 2019, 1:43 AM

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Uhh, tripple 383 on ws?

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Doesn't she hit rudder proc?

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 1:43 AM

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yea

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i'll try 406 for a while but rudder is not really an issue so far

elder crane Dec 11, 2019, 1:45 AM

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For defense, tanking with Hiryuu is noticeably better imo
Often can't even get past Hiryuu before you win
Not sure how well that carries into offense though

zenith tundra Dec 11, 2019, 1:46 AM

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is that 13.9k vg legit? seems way too high

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 1:46 AM

#

ThinkZed

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prolly 1 oxy or smth

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yea seems like his vg is dying faster than usual

#

@dusky venture

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whats your gears on VG? BuckySmug

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hmm actually might be legit cos my sheff/jun/ykkz has 13.7k

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power of gold boilers EntyLUL

zenith tundra Dec 11, 2019, 1:51 AM

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i guess it's rainbow torp. the only i have is on kita and i reach 13.3k

elder crane Dec 11, 2019, 1:51 AM

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Sanrui does really poorly vs FC anyways

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1.1 for aviation torps on med vs 0.8 on light

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similar situation with bombs

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 1:54 AM

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sanrui does poorly vs anything anyway xD

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sanrui 360 angle when

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 1:55 AM

#

SanruiStare

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at this point idk anymore who to test with namaryuu

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 1:57 AM

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why test that when you can try other more fun things

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it's basically mathematically proven

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xD

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 1:57 AM

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oh i meant wfc vs namaryuus

zenith tundra Dec 11, 2019, 1:57 AM

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any reason for using the sea fury?

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 1:57 AM

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does sea fury have a skill? owo

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 1:57 AM

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dont have pirate

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gomen

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 1:57 AM

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rip

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 1:57 AM

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UniSip

elder crane Dec 11, 2019, 1:57 AM

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Basically slightly faster-loading modified F6F

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 1:57 AM

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t0 cannons lol

elder crane Dec 11, 2019, 1:58 AM

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better PvP stats than Seafang

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 1:58 AM

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i just use w/e plane for timing but if i have pirate then thats better ig

elder crane Dec 11, 2019, 1:58 AM

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(more crash, more HP)

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 1:58 AM

#

wiki still doesnt list those on the big table

#

reee

elder crane Dec 11, 2019, 1:58 AM

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PvP

Wiki people, probably

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 1:59 AM

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EntyLUL

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 1:59 AM

#

so i guess t0 20mm cannons are like 1% stronger than t3?

elder crane Dec 11, 2019, 1:59 AM

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They're actually quite a bit stronger

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 2:00 AM

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oh, then this wiki table is wrong

elder crane Dec 11, 2019, 2:00 AM

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puts AA roughly on par with F6F

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 2:00 AM

#

it has 4x t3 20mm cannon

elder crane Dec 11, 2019, 2:00 AM

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Well, depends on what "quite a bit" means

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 2:00 AM

#

as .02 higher dps

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oh wait that's bombs

elder crane Dec 11, 2019, 2:00 AM

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iirc it can get off two shots during intercept though, when T3 version can't

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 2:00 AM

#

oh 3.42 to 3.67

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7% in burst

#

Thinkpitz

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13% in dps

#

so basically the difference only reaaaally matters on intercept

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in pve

#

i doubt 7% aa burst is even a factor in pvp

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 2:02 AM

#

anyways ill now put wfc at t0 in tierlist
anyone who disagrees?

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tho namaryuu is still way better in def

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 2:02 AM

#

just split list to Offense/Defense

#

;)

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 2:03 AM

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too much work UniSip

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 2:03 AM

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i mean defense is just 1 t0

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offense is many t0

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xD

#

easy

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 2:03 AM

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yea lol

zenith tundra Dec 11, 2019, 2:03 AM

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is there any other def fleet that matters other then namaryuu?

elder crane Dec 11, 2019, 2:03 AM

#

how well does HMS warkai do on defense anyways when not facing Hiryuu?

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 2:03 AM

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bad still, at least to me

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 2:03 AM

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not sure havent found one

elder crane Dec 11, 2019, 2:04 AM

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From using various FC, it actually does pretty well from what I can tell

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 2:04 AM

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i had a monarch/ws/qe one i think all 120

coral wren Dec 11, 2019, 2:04 AM

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FC does poorly, almost non existent

elder crane Dec 11, 2019, 2:04 AM

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Like, LFC at least gets completely demolished

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 2:04 AM

#

but i was using ws/amagi/formi on that fight

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and i basically wall their damage

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using amagi buff and formi buff

#

and they all focus fire their guns on amagi

#

who has rudder/armor

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aka get trolled

elder crane Dec 11, 2019, 2:05 AM

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Yeah, but then how well does that team do elsewhere

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 2:05 AM

#

WarShrug

elder crane Dec 11, 2019, 2:05 AM

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cause if you include tech, Hiryuu = lol at that team

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 2:05 AM

#

im pretty sure id be fine with kgv/ws/amagi too

#

amagi stat difference is just too large

#

to run triple hms

#

and because warspite focuses their shots on her target

#

you just ruin their ability to damage others

#

besides rng

#

and monarch 0 luck is a well known problem

#

xD

#

maybe a fleet without monarch

#

would be better

#

i dont think qe helps either since she cant pressure her lane opponent cause of the target command from ws

#

honestly kgv being desynced from ws first barrage is probably best bet

elder crane Dec 11, 2019, 2:07 AM

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Probably, I'd take KGV over monarch tbh for full HMS main fleet

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 2:08 AM

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because this helps crush the vanguard faster

elder crane Dec 11, 2019, 2:08 AM

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idk, KGV with just normal gun imo

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 2:08 AM

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and makes it so you can spread damage with her barrage

elder crane Dec 11, 2019, 2:08 AM

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like, idk if you even care about vanguard with 3BB HMS

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just kill their main fleet

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 2:08 AM

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hmm are there any other new t0 attack comps

elder crane Dec 11, 2019, 2:08 AM

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Basically anything Warkai BuckySmug

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 2:08 AM

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i mean, counter still hurts

#

assuming you get nagato barraged and clipped by a shell

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you will lose vg first

elder crane Dec 11, 2019, 2:09 AM

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well, winning VG fights doesn't exactly save your VG

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if anything, secondaries means it's worse

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 2:09 AM

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no, but winning vg means FC triggers while they're alive

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 2:09 AM

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i wont rate just anything with warkai as t0 tbh

elder crane Dec 11, 2019, 2:10 AM

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plus, if their VG is alive, there's no time accel

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 2:10 AM

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not like i tested anthing other than fc kek

elder crane Dec 11, 2019, 2:10 AM

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which time accel is a major plus for Hiryuu

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NamagiWS seems also very WS and also very Namagi

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 2:10 AM

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i dunno if triple hms can soak FC + strike with no vg shield

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assuming you've been nagato barraged once

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but dunno

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 2:11 AM

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ah yea namagiWS should be another one

elder crane Dec 11, 2019, 2:11 AM

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Ehh, that's just one team

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can't do it all with defense

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 2:11 AM

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especially if they run torp memes xD

elder crane Dec 11, 2019, 2:11 AM

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I think I have all the pieces to test WSFoxes too

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what VG do you run with that anyways?

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 2:11 AM

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WarShrug

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 2:12 AM

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ThinkZed

zenith tundra Dec 11, 2019, 2:12 AM

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aurora i would guess

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 2:12 AM

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i mean aurora is a given

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 2:12 AM

#

ibuki aurora ykkz/jun?

zenith tundra Dec 11, 2019, 2:12 AM

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the other 2 are always yuki juneau

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 2:13 AM

#

i think yuki should stay for the final counter personally but i dunno

elder crane Dec 11, 2019, 2:13 AM

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Is that team supposed to work kinda like FCwarkai, or what

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 2:13 AM

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except FAST

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xD

#

gotta go fast

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 2:13 AM

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yea prolly jun aurora ykkz then

zenith tundra Dec 11, 2019, 2:14 AM

#

but less reliable because no broken centaur barrage for slow

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 2:14 AM

#

just run 818 on akagi

zenith tundra Dec 11, 2019, 2:14 AM

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818 can miss all together

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 2:14 AM

#

WarShrug

#

too bad dork cant fit in with triple hms

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 2:16 AM

#

~~you can if you really want~~

coral wren Dec 11, 2019, 2:16 AM

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Hm, i think she might fit in. Dork middle, monarch top and ws bottom

elder crane Dec 11, 2019, 2:16 AM

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She should be fine
NUKE HARDER

coral wren Dec 11, 2019, 2:16 AM

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Should be better than kgv at focusing target down

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 2:16 AM

#

i mean maybe if you rig dork guns to always go first

#

kgv isnt about focus

#

it's about slapping everyone

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and everything

#

xD

elder crane Dec 11, 2019, 2:16 AM

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Well, 50% firstload boost should be enough for slapping imo

coral wren Dec 11, 2019, 2:16 AM

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can't slap everything and everyone if your shells miss you know

#

Barrage isn't enough

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 2:17 AM

#

quads have the highest chance of hitting vg

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because they cover the most area

#

best we'll ever get

#

xD

elder crane Dec 11, 2019, 2:17 AM

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Like, idk why y'all are so focused on hitting vanguard with a 3BB HMS Warkai team

coral wren Dec 11, 2019, 2:17 AM

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Me neither

elder crane Dec 11, 2019, 2:17 AM

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there's no reason why you have to care about VG

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in fact, you want them alive

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 2:17 AM

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i like not eating double air strike to the face

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 2:17 AM

#

are there quint guns irl

#

ThinkZed

elder crane Dec 11, 2019, 2:17 AM

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Killing their VG doesn't help yours stay alive ffs

#

If anything, it's worse

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 2:18 AM

#

it isnt about keeping them alive, it's about when you proc counter

elder crane Dec 11, 2019, 2:18 AM

#

so?
How does killing their vanguard help absorb final counter

#

if anything, it's worse
with theirs alive, even if yours dies, you won't have time accel

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 2:18 AM

#

dont dive bombs derp out when you push up?

elder crane Dec 11, 2019, 2:19 AM

#

no?

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 2:19 AM

#

at least they seem to on their positioning

#

for me

#

the density always seems off

#

or maybe the ghost planes dont target close or w/e

#

WarShrug

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 2:19 AM

#

been so long since i played 3BB
CVs are just more consistent in general so i never looked back

#

BuckySmug

elder crane Dec 11, 2019, 2:20 AM

#

like, part of the super annoying thing with Hiryuu counter is time accel
15 s effectively becomes 30 s
If your vanguard dies, letting their vanguard live is a positive for that

#

not like vanguard is a threat with their main fleet dead if you run 3 BB

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 2:21 AM

#

i guess it's different for triple hms since the gun focus isnt derped out

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or they arent running torp

elder crane Dec 11, 2019, 2:21 AM

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Yeah, with CVs it makes sense cause then your CV pushes damage through to main fleet

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 2:21 AM

#

xD

#

i just find matches easier when i push through the enemy vg with my own

elder crane Dec 11, 2019, 2:22 AM

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But with warkai 3BB you're wasting damage on their vanguard... so you waste less damage on vanguard later? NagatoStare
Cart before the horse here

coral wren Dec 11, 2019, 2:22 AM

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I dunno, so far kgv was quite a let down for me with 3 hms bbs setup.

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 2:22 AM

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i mean, letting torp live even a bit longer irritates me

#

xD

#

shooting them sooner, means less damage both vg and main takes

#

;)

elder crane Dec 11, 2019, 2:23 AM

#

Killing enemy main fleet ship also reduces damage taken :)

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 2:24 AM

#

well yeah, but it depends on armor amagi or not

#

and because i assume people are drawn to memes like me

#

i assume rudder/armor amagi

#

so i must counter myself

#

;)

#

just kill everyone instead

#

then no need to worry

#

man lists mega dead

elder crane Dec 11, 2019, 2:25 AM

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Yeah, I think I got 3 people pushing total today MogamiSigh

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 2:25 AM

#

i already ate +0 last reset PortDoll

coral wren Dec 11, 2019, 2:25 AM

#

Hm, i guess 406 is the only option for dork. Gonna test her out, too bad that with her focusing top slot is the only choice to capitalize on having her

elder crane Dec 11, 2019, 2:25 AM

#

Same

#

Well, 410 might also be an option

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 2:26 AM

#

triple 381 maybe for timing?

#

or 410

zenith tundra Dec 11, 2019, 2:26 AM

#

hsfcr

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 2:26 AM

#

i liked 410 before

#

~~until she aims VG~~

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 2:26 AM

#

that is solved by ws

coral wren Dec 11, 2019, 2:26 AM

#

hsfcr is on monarch, but switching might be

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 2:26 AM

#

monarch shouldnt bother with hsfcr imo

#

oh hey maxed sora's skills

coral wren Dec 11, 2019, 2:27 AM

#

Well, it lets her 381 to avoid rudder cucking

elder crane Dec 11, 2019, 2:27 AM

#

Yeah, WS mostly solves Dork's inconsistency issues
If she doesn't work, I'm pretty sure it's cause the team doesn't need the extra damage Dork brings, and prefers more survivability or something

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 2:27 AM

#

my DoT team is coming together

#

like if dork had a 20% evade boost like kgv

elder crane Dec 11, 2019, 2:27 AM

#

20%

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 2:27 AM

#

she'd be fine for tank slot or w/e

#

as utility bot

#

kinda like formidable utility bot

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 2:28 AM

#

dork with ws focus actually sounds interesting
i know what to test next BuckySmug

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 2:28 AM

#

i might try that out but with amagi as third

#

cause DorkHeart

#

everyone aim up

#

xD

elder crane Dec 11, 2019, 2:29 AM

#

She makes sense if damage output is the issue
but most Warkai teams really don't have output issues, she already snipes+focuses pretty hard

coral wren Dec 11, 2019, 2:29 AM

#

Ye, i'm gonna do it right now

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 2:29 AM

#

amagi or maybe qe as third ig

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 2:29 AM

#

qe AkagiNo
amagi AkagiYes

#

too bad i have no bonuses so im stuck with nothing to try it on

#

xD

#

wait, i do have something

#

on refresh lol

#

https://gyazo.com/8832de2a15443f92b76dcade779ee2cb

Gyazo

#

owo

coral wren Dec 11, 2019, 2:33 AM

#

will be okay to test on i guess

📎 123.png

#

Meh, no rudders it seems or armor

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 2:37 AM

#

im going in

#

https://gyazo.com/32068b4a8f6e7eb5e5e43045281cfc3d

Gyazo

#

DorkHeart

coral wren Dec 11, 2019, 2:38 AM

#

so far, monarch and ws doing all the work

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 2:39 AM

#

can anyone outlive all that focus lol

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 2:39 AM

#

SandyMeme

#

azuma when

#

4 ships, 1 target

#

jk

coral wren Dec 11, 2019, 2:39 AM

#

in late spring

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 2:39 AM

#

more like late fall

#

there's no dev 30 azuma in late spring

#

lol

#

0 chances

#

i think even the whaliest whale wouldnt be able to do that

zenith tundra Dec 11, 2019, 2:40 AM

#

if someone just has like 2k cubes why not

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 2:40 AM

#

oh is it possible if you had infinite cubes?

#

xD

zenith tundra Dec 11, 2019, 2:41 AM

#

4 months seems to be the whale time for dev 30

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 2:41 AM

#

ah ok

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 2:41 AM

#

someone here has 1k+ iirc
wouldnt be surprised if he got 2k now

#

UniSip

zenith tundra Dec 11, 2019, 2:42 AM

#

i'm sitting on 450 for 2 weeks now because i started doing more cube researches

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 2:42 AM

#

maybe i should swap to juneau/sheffield/ykk with this team

#

i think that would be more amusing

coral wren Dec 11, 2019, 2:44 AM

#

meh, very little dmg from crescendo. First salvo is okay but quite random

elder crane Dec 11, 2019, 2:44 AM

#

nice and comfy 560 for me
Probably ~600 with mail cubes too

coral wren Dec 11, 2019, 2:45 AM

#

doy's first skill does something similar to old ws or even lesser

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 2:45 AM

#

it uses a normal ammo quad

#

that slows

#

so

#

much lesser

zenith tundra Dec 11, 2019, 2:45 AM

#

i still feel bad for wasting cubes on research but it only took 80 cubes for current event and pr3 is not that far away

#

just thinking about more dr to max in different seasons seems impossible

noble gyro Dec 11, 2019, 2:54 AM

#

Tbtsk or proto triple 152mm for bisko's aux gun?

zenith tundra Dec 11, 2019, 2:57 AM

#

i would say nepgun

#

2x2 doesn't really help bismark hit stuff at that range

#

it just feels like tbtsk is much worse

#

MutsukiStare

📎 Screenshot_2019-12-11-05-04-02.png

coral wren Dec 11, 2019, 3:11 AM

#

cya what's your score rn?

#

number of attempts?

#

cause i'm sitting with 8/10 with around that number

shy hazel Dec 11, 2019, 3:30 AM

#

pr3 should be feb or march

#

for jp

zenith tundra Dec 11, 2019, 3:34 AM

#

nothing left considering i need around 140 bps for azuma and around 200 for fdg

shy hazel Dec 11, 2019, 3:34 AM

#

pepeLUL

coral wren Dec 11, 2019, 3:35 AM

#

i hope they break their contract with slavgaming and stop making pr

shy hazel Dec 11, 2019, 3:35 AM

#

wargaming wants russian ships next pr

#

if u remember the stream

coral wren Dec 11, 2019, 3:35 AM

#

fuck..

shy hazel Dec 11, 2019, 3:35 AM

#

all of those are drs

#

pepeLUL

#

seiyuus requesting cv prs too

#

soon.tm

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 3:37 AM

#

lel

zenith tundra Dec 11, 2019, 3:38 AM

#

pr/dr cv has to happen. but i really hope no trash russian ship turned into op pr ship

coral wren Dec 11, 2019, 3:39 AM

#

That will be trully a tragic day, the child of yongshi and russkiygaming will be balanced as fuck and not biased at all

#

meh, i hope ivans will get izumo treatment

shy hazel Dec 11, 2019, 3:40 AM

#

russian ships are the opiest in their game

#

crack

#

big meme

coral wren Dec 11, 2019, 3:42 AM

#

mighty soviet ships straight out of stalin's ass

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 3:44 AM

#

just give us a cl with a skill that uses drunk gun

#

;)

coral wren Dec 11, 2019, 3:46 AM

#

french or uss flagship would be a godsent

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 3:46 AM

#

i highly doubt any pr will be a flag

zenith tundra Dec 11, 2019, 3:47 AM

#

there is no reason for a ship that never exited in the 1st place to have flagship skill

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 3:48 AM

#

unless they just stop caring

#

xD

inner zenith Dec 11, 2019, 4:06 AM

#

@zenith tundra nice team

#

all i need is azuma to come home

zenith tundra Dec 11, 2019, 4:13 AM

#

can't wait for hand animation to be fixed so seattle with double seattle can stop sucking.... 11-4 boss btw

📎 Screenshot_2019-12-11-06-09-47.png

#

aren't those in pins?

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 4:18 AM

#

i think he means where they are

#

not like what they are

zenith tundra Dec 11, 2019, 4:19 AM

#

lol

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 4:19 AM

#

ah yes, truly the finest of names

#

instead of like

#

pvpDestroyerAdjustment or something

#

_>

#

oh actually that makes sense

#

i think google puts destroyer = deportation

#

at least when im on wiki

#

more like cn code is named logically

#

even translated it basically tells you what it means

#

buff_61 tells me nothing

#

lol

zenith tundra Dec 11, 2019, 4:24 AM

#

i would guess ca

#

what client are u using for that?

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 4:33 AM

#

oh

#

o.O

#

good old fleet warcry function

empty grove Dec 11, 2019, 4:35 AM

#

NagatoStare

shy hazel Dec 11, 2019, 4:56 AM

#

PecoNico

#

pvp pros checking game code to learn how skills work

dusk stirrup Dec 11, 2019, 5:00 AM

#

aPES_KingSuspicious

empty grove Dec 11, 2019, 5:00 AM

#

MutsukiHyperStare

shy hazel Dec 11, 2019, 5:05 AM

#

blazing u shit

#

UniYan

#

UniGun

#

so lazy to do this event

#

SarenSweat

empty grove Dec 11, 2019, 5:13 AM

#

Same

#

EmileSip

dusk stirrup Dec 11, 2019, 5:57 AM

#

monkaForest

forest lake Dec 11, 2019, 6:18 AM

#

What's the highest EoS points someone's gotten here

empty grove Dec 11, 2019, 6:21 AM

#

2607

#

Not including bugged seasons

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 6:29 AM

#

so dork/amagi/ws is pretty hilarious

coral wren Dec 11, 2019, 6:53 AM

#

@empty grove are those pics with ppl getting 2620+ bugged ones?

empty grove Dec 11, 2019, 6:56 AM

#

Yep

#

MakinaSmug

shell heron Dec 11, 2019, 6:58 AM

#

maint in 2 minutes UniSip

coral wren Dec 11, 2019, 6:58 AM

#

starve them all

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 7:01 AM

#

pretty sure mine's more dead

#

but i cant check

#

lel

hot creek Dec 11, 2019, 7:01 AM

#

forgot to feed dorm.

shell heron Dec 11, 2019, 7:07 AM

#

starve them SandyMeme

#

I feel like I'm forgetting something too

#

dunno what

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 7:08 AM

#

skill book?

shell heron Dec 11, 2019, 7:09 AM

#

skill book ✅
dorm ✅
pvp ✅
academy ❔

#

well it's too late now UniSip

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 7:10 AM

#

~~thank god hololive is over~~

#

SanruiStare

shell heron Dec 11, 2019, 7:12 AM

#

but I didn't clear out shop this time

#

LaffeyDrink

shy hazel Dec 11, 2019, 7:12 AM

#

same

#

Puddisgust

#

cos no x3

#

and im busy

#

its december

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i have alot of financials to do

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UniYan

shell heron Dec 11, 2019, 7:13 AM

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T6 was awful, only 150 per run

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 7:13 AM

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i wouldn't clear it even if im not busy BuckySmug

shell heron Dec 11, 2019, 7:13 AM

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you monster UniYan

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if I wasn't still working, I would have cleared it on the first week

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maybe not because T6

shy hazel Dec 11, 2019, 7:14 AM

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no x3 bonus

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no hard map

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 7:14 AM

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UniStare

shy hazel Dec 11, 2019, 7:14 AM

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low score gain

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trash event

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UniYan

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 7:15 AM

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p much

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YorkBruh

shy hazel Dec 11, 2019, 7:15 AM

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while kizuna collab had everything

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now we know who is superior vtuber

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buckypride

shell heron Dec 11, 2019, 7:15 AM

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MakinaSmug

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 7:15 AM

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now to wait for my FW rerun

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BuckySmug

shy hazel Dec 11, 2019, 7:16 AM

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PecoNico

shell heron Dec 11, 2019, 7:16 AM

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and it may never come SandyMeme

shy hazel Dec 11, 2019, 7:16 AM

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dream when u sleeping

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crack

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 7:16 AM

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UniGun

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it will come..

shy hazel Dec 11, 2019, 7:17 AM

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no 100% for plebs

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UniYan

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 7:17 AM

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YorkBruh

shell heron Dec 11, 2019, 7:18 AM

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Go to sleep, we can't sandbag with maint UniSip

shy hazel Dec 11, 2019, 7:18 AM

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get ngato first

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PecoNico

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u dont need fw ships

shell heron Dec 11, 2019, 7:19 AM

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I just want my 2nd HSFCR

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who would I even put it on tbh

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WSkai?

ripe latch Dec 11, 2019, 7:21 AM

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YorkBruh

ashen lion Dec 11, 2019, 7:21 AM

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YukiPat

shy hazel Dec 11, 2019, 7:21 AM

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this is era of defensive auxes

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i dont think youll need it

coral wren Dec 11, 2019, 7:41 AM

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Well, it will help in avoiding rudder proc

forest lake Dec 11, 2019, 8:47 AM

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MiyanoHyper

blazing scroll Dec 11, 2019, 8:54 AM

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Some of my commissions ended 30mins after maint started

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PortDoll

merry shoal Dec 11, 2019, 9:06 AM

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Welp I'm down 5 PvP points. Pretty sure UniHurt

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Gonna super casual this season

zenith tundra Dec 11, 2019, 9:31 AM

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from what i can tell, the mg fixes seems to be good. i tested with my kita and the barrage points seems to change when equipped with autoloaders. it goes from 2:12->2:16 4 sec faster barrage with 2 autoloaders

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i read that but at least kita is no longer capped it seems

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 9:52 AM

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Thinkpitz

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so how about seattle though xD

zenith tundra Dec 11, 2019, 9:55 AM

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around 5sec difference after 3 barrages with double autoloader

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 9:55 AM

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owo

zenith tundra Dec 11, 2019, 10:01 AM

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📎 Screenshot_2019-12-11-12-01-18.png

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📎 Screenshot_2019-12-11-11-59-36.png

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did they change seattle gun too?

zenith tundra Dec 11, 2019, 10:18 AM

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are there any breadgun changes? poor sandy seems unchanged

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double autoloader or not her 2nd gun barrage happens at the same exact time...

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actually sandy with mle seems to be kind of fucked lol.
double autoloader
3rd atlanta barrage 2:22

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2nd sandy barrage 2:19

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without autoloaders
3rd atlanta barrage 2:20
2nd sandy barrage 2:19

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like wtf

midnight heron Dec 11, 2019, 11:12 AM

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server up but server down UnicornFused

coral wren Dec 11, 2019, 11:12 AM

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same

zenith tundra Dec 11, 2019, 11:12 AM

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they fucked up light build image and it had sirius and swiftsure

shy hazel Dec 11, 2019, 11:14 AM

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jebaited

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Puddisgust

hoary pasture Dec 11, 2019, 1:30 PM

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lol why do people run their full 14k-15k powered vgs and main fleets for defense in 4 digit ranks?

empty sinew Dec 11, 2019, 1:30 PM

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cuz

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peeps are lazy to change

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BabyYodaSip

zenith tundra Dec 11, 2019, 1:31 PM

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i wonder why people don't use actual fleets on defense at all levels

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memes and waifus are just as useless

hoary pasture Dec 11, 2019, 1:32 PM

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because u dont lose anything from defense

zenith tundra Dec 11, 2019, 1:32 PM

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almost no one cares about meme comps or waifu taste either

empty grove Dec 11, 2019, 1:53 PM

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My yan fleet is the most powerful

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MakinaSmug

midnight heron Dec 11, 2019, 2:19 PM

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dis feels weird WarShrug

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shell heron Dec 11, 2019, 2:40 PM

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My def fleet is the most powerful UniSip

📎 Screenshot_20191211-083948_Azur_Lane.jpg

split socket Dec 11, 2019, 2:43 PM

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~~how close were u to scrapping everyone~~

upper sparrow Dec 11, 2019, 3:01 PM

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does sanrui need boiler? cause she already has her blue skill

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or should i slap rudder+beaver on her?

blazing scroll Dec 11, 2019, 3:05 PM

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Mine has rudder + bulge

elder crane Dec 11, 2019, 3:06 PM

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Speed-wise, Sanrui is basically a CL

empty grove Dec 11, 2019, 3:06 PM

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SanruiStare

blazing scroll Dec 11, 2019, 3:15 PM

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With enough boilers in your vg, she will have dd speed

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MakinaSmug

meager dawn Dec 11, 2019, 3:53 PM

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GWlulurdTomStare How the fuck did formi launch first

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elder crane Dec 11, 2019, 3:55 PM

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Someone messed up loadout~

meager dawn Dec 11, 2019, 3:56 PM

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Could’ve sworn I always saw centaur launch first

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MutsukiCurse

stoic skiff Dec 11, 2019, 4:57 PM

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Can I get Enterprise to launch her airstrike in 20~ seconds?

midnight heron Dec 11, 2019, 5:01 PM

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can any cv without double fighter slot even get below 20s Thinkpitz

stoic skiff Dec 11, 2019, 5:02 PM

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I think 20-21 seconds just to counter Warspite retrofit

blazing scroll Dec 11, 2019, 5:03 PM

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If you don't count the foxes then I don't think so

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ThinkZed

midnight heron Dec 11, 2019, 5:06 PM

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then u hav to use subpar planes probably

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messerchmitt BuckySmug

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yea u definitely hav to use messer with beacon to even reach 20-21s

coral wren Dec 11, 2019, 5:10 PM

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Skyrocket GWchadMEGATHINK

midnight heron Dec 11, 2019, 5:12 PM

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tho if u hav 200 aff enty then u might be able to get a 21s just with beacon alone with bis planes

stoic skiff Dec 11, 2019, 5:12 PM

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@midnight heron Just 100 affinity

midnight heron Dec 11, 2019, 5:13 PM

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then theres no way other than using some trash planes

stoic skiff Dec 11, 2019, 5:13 PM

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I could use a Skyrocket, it is the best compromise

midnight heron Dec 11, 2019, 5:13 PM

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for my calculations i used vf17, helldiver, barracuda

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well it wud work

stoic skiff Dec 11, 2019, 5:14 PM

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vf17 is the fighter from fallen wings?

midnight heron Dec 11, 2019, 5:15 PM

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yea the pirate squad

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 5:23 PM

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So maybe I'm missing something but why is this set of lvl 120s have such a low power rating

📎 Screenshot_20191211-122227_Azur_Lane.jpg

stoic skiff Dec 11, 2019, 5:24 PM

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Poor equip or no equip at all

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 5:25 PM

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Oh ok
So I can probably win. Thanks

midnight heron Dec 11, 2019, 5:28 PM

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the barrages can still kill tho

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if u're very underlvled

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 5:37 PM

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Can confirm im a baked potato

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Squeaked out a win though

ashen lion Dec 11, 2019, 6:49 PM

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Good luck

empty grove Dec 11, 2019, 6:56 PM

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monkaW

coral wren Dec 11, 2019, 7:00 PM

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Omegalilwoo

midnight heron Dec 11, 2019, 7:01 PM

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BuckySmug

midnight heron Dec 11, 2019, 7:21 PM

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time to join rusher squad

charred sable Dec 11, 2019, 8:05 PM

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1st Onahole LustyBlush

📎 Screenshot_20191211-120420.png

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 8:05 PM

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Am a bit confused. So I'm around 700 but my matchups are 1400 right now isn't it bad to attack someone lower than you

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Also yikes

charred sable Dec 11, 2019, 8:07 PM

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@proper thistle your left most target should be higher rank than you. If not, use a refresh

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 8:08 PM

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It wasn't
Thanks for the tip

charred sable Dec 11, 2019, 8:13 PM

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Did you previously use up all your attacks before reset?

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Usually that's how you end up higher rank than your left most target

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 8:13 PM

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Yea I did

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Am I not supposed to

charred sable Dec 11, 2019, 8:13 PM

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Yup, that explains it

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Usually people save a few attacks to avoid scenarios like this

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 8:14 PM

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Ah

charred sable Dec 11, 2019, 8:14 PM

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But that's only if you really care and are trying to achieve Admiral of the Fleet at the end of the season

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 8:14 PM

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I don't think I can seriously compete yet anyway so it's more or less irrelevant to me

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Still working on a viable comp

charred sable Dec 11, 2019, 8:15 PM

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Attacking someone lower than you will only really make you lose 1-2 points anyway

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If you are not trying to be competitive, I would argue peace of mind is worth more than 1-2 points

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 8:15 PM

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sadcatthumbsup

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When people use Jun I assume that's with pearls tears

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Right?

charred sable Dec 11, 2019, 8:16 PM

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Usually yes

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She is the sacrificial lamb lol

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 8:16 PM

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Poor lass

elder crane Dec 11, 2019, 8:24 PM

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No, Pearl is elsewhere if someone else can afford a slot for it
Makes for much smoother healing

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stacking both Pearl+Juneau will mean your heal will often go off too late or too early (in different matches with the same team too)

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 8:46 PM

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That makes sense too

shell heron Dec 11, 2019, 8:48 PM

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If your fill ship can use pearl better than boiler, i use it

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But Im using juneau/nep/ykk so junie is the best ship to use it on

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 8:49 PM

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I think my Frontline will be Jun/Bel/Yuki in whatever order is correct

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Or maybe using Aurora in there

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squint

shell heron Dec 11, 2019, 8:50 PM

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When I was using bel, she had the pearl. Her job isn't to survive

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Aurora gets the pearl for sure

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 8:50 PM

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It's all tentative rn since they are below lvl 90 so not even usuable by a stretch

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But working in getting them up. Just got Yuki recently so she's gonna take a minute

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I don't have centaur yet so I think I'm gonna keep spamming special build whenever I can

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Waiting for event reruns for the op sr s

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That I don't own

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For now I'm relying on Akagi and hood which is a weird comp I guess

shell heron Dec 11, 2019, 8:52 PM

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Its old meta

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Really old meta before good event ships came out

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 8:53 PM

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Well good to hear it's not completely off base

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Just outdated

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/637372298504175617/653970155495358464/Screenshot_20191210-094055_Discord.jpg

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This is what was suggested to me some time earlier

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 8:55 PM

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dont waste too much cubes
waiting for wishing well is better imo
rolling for something with no rate up is PortDoll

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 8:56 PM

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Yea I think I'll just try daily and hope

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Which is an oof

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Hiryuu and enty both still need a lot of work too

📎 Screenshot_20191211-155543_Azur_Lane.jpg

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Basically never really did much for PvP

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Aside from fox spam

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 8:57 PM

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yea it takes time

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just focus on maxing 1 comp first

shell heron Dec 11, 2019, 8:57 PM

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Nothing wrong with fox spam. It works against most casual comps

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 9:03 PM

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Yea it's been surprisingly ok

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Of the above two suggestions which would you say sounds more viable

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Since it will take me a while

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Aurora Bel I have both at lvl 90 mlb

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Yuki is smol at like lvl 30-40 or so

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Jun is like lvl 70s

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 9:05 PM

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depends on your backline

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which one are you aiming for again

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 9:05 PM

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Hood enty kgv
Or Hood enty hiryuu

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I guess

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Were the two suggested

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 9:06 PM

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no i mean thats just the comp you could use rn

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you want cent right?

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 9:06 PM

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I wouldn't mind yea

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📎 Screenshot_20191211-160633_Azur_Lane.jpg 📎 Screenshot_20191211-160640_Azur_Lane.jpg

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Quick look at what I have that I think is tiered

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Tiered being used loosely

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Roon and monarch both dev 20 or lower

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 9:07 PM

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wait pls tell me you have warspite sword

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 9:07 PM

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No I came back day after event

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I was away for 4 months

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haHaaa

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 9:08 PM

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YorkBruh

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 9:08 PM

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Perfect timing I know

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I want to commit toaster

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 9:08 PM

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kgv monarch cent should work best then

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 9:09 PM

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Monarch at like 13 though

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Is she even worth

#

Gonna take me time to get those bps

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Like 200+ to get her to 25

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Which is a few months

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I think

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 9:10 PM

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for now you can use foxes with hood

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yea focus on monarch bps

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 9:10 PM

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Oks I'll do that

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 9:10 PM

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shes p much a better hood

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 9:11 PM

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📎 Screenshot_20191211-161108_Azur_Lane.jpg

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My current team

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Bit uh

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Yea

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 9:14 PM

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also just level jun+ykkz
as for 3rd vg, belfast should be a safer pick than aurora especially when you're underlevelled/undergeared
you want them both anyways if you want to try out different comps

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 9:15 PM

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I see

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Tbh idk what Bel even does. Don't think I ever sortied with her

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 9:16 PM

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:MutsukiStare-1:

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 9:16 PM

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Is there a better vg I could piece together currently from what I have

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 9:16 PM

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mostly for smokescreen

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 9:16 PM

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Or just the level disparity is too high

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 9:16 PM

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and decent stats

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 9:16 PM

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Basically my idea was put some hp between my main fleet and their dps

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And my only option is my pve ships

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 9:17 PM

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well if you dont mind taking losses
you can still use underlevelled botes for free exp

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 9:18 PM

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I suppose that's true

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So Jun Yuki and Bel theoretically

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And I'd give Bel tears ?

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 9:19 PM

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yep

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 9:19 PM

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Which I'm still like one star away from. Waiting on 18k exp bounty to finish for Arizona to lvl up

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Would anyone care to share their gear for Jun/Yuki/Bel?

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 9:20 PM

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yea that too

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 9:21 PM

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What order btw for that Frontline I mentioned

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squint

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B/j/y?

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 9:21 PM

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jun uses boiler/toolbox + bulge
bel uses boiler/bulge + pearl
ykkz uses boiler + fire ex

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jun bel ykkz if they are all maxed

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if jun is underlevelled just hide her behind bel first

finite valve Dec 11, 2019, 9:22 PM

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if you are relatively new i wouldn't care too much about pvp tbh

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since meta atm are too strong for newbie to even move past 1k

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your best bet is to get ships to 120

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 9:23 PM

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📎 Screenshot_20191211-162333_Azur_Lane.jpg

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squint

finite valve Dec 11, 2019, 9:23 PM

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after that comes gearing them up

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 9:23 PM

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I guess idk how rushing or whatever works or the concept behind it

finite valve Dec 11, 2019, 9:23 PM

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is early ss

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 9:23 PM

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But I'm sitting at like 500

finite valve Dec 11, 2019, 9:24 PM

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late ss is where the fun at

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 9:24 PM

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Ah

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Also is defense fleet a meme or not
Because idk anymore

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Can someone enlighten me

finite valve Dec 11, 2019, 9:24 PM

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early ss ppl just let you have ez win to get those bonus point

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late ss is where they put up their meta

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 9:25 PM

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So defense is meme early season

finite valve Dec 11, 2019, 9:25 PM

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EntyHat

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 9:25 PM

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Makes sense I guess

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 9:25 PM

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defense fleets dont affect your score
most it can do is to stall/annoy ppl and well i guess it can wall newbies

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 9:26 PM

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Thanks for the help peeps

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And yes it walls me ngl

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The lvl 120 ships dunk on me

finite valve Dec 11, 2019, 9:26 PM

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hence why you need to get ships to 120 first

#

after that is gears

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then pvp

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 9:26 PM

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My pve fleet isn't 120 let alone PvP

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dogekek

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So gonna take a sec

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But yea stuff to work on I guess

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 9:27 PM

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BuckySmug

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 9:27 PM

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Appreciate everyone taking the time

finite valve Dec 11, 2019, 9:27 PM

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also tbh i would just say fuck it with anything that is not PR 2 meta tbh

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 9:27 PM

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Have some stuff to work towards now

finite valve Dec 11, 2019, 9:27 PM

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PR 2 is in like what 2 weeks max

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 9:27 PM

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What is that meta then?
And won't it take months to get those ships viable

finite valve Dec 11, 2019, 9:28 PM

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just use your res on getting azuma and fdg

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 9:28 PM

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Which factions were those two

finite valve Dec 11, 2019, 9:28 PM

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fdg ws nagato amagi
azuma ykk jun

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 9:28 PM

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thats not exactly newbie friendly imo

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pr ships cost higher oils

finite valve Dec 11, 2019, 9:28 PM

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WarShrug

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 9:29 PM

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Don't own nagato amagi anyway

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 9:29 PM

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and they are just inferior to normal meta botes on half baked dev levels

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 9:29 PM

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Or I'd love to use them

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Hoping for rerun while im actually playing the game

finite valve Dec 11, 2019, 9:29 PM

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something tell me you don't even have ws kai

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 9:30 PM

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MakinaSmug

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 9:30 PM

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Scrolling up would confirm yes

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I just got back day after event

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So missed it

finite valve Dec 11, 2019, 9:30 PM

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FumizukiCross

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 9:30 PM

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Ikr

#

Who knows when that will be back

empty grove Dec 11, 2019, 9:36 PM

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Creepy

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 10:10 PM

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i am really enjoying dork/amagi/ws xD

neon trench Dec 11, 2019, 10:41 PM

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Is there a list of good ships in pvp?

#

I am leveling some low level ships and I figure I could also level some ships if they are good for pvp specifically

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 10:42 PM

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There is a pinned list here

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For comps, I found it helpful

neon trench Dec 11, 2019, 10:42 PM

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Ty, I always forget to look at pins

#

xd

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 10:42 PM

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sadcatthumbsup

elder crane Dec 11, 2019, 10:43 PM

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Might just be a bit out of date on some stuff

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 10:43 PM

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Jun, Yuki, Bel, Aurora, Hiryuu are some common ones though

elder crane Dec 11, 2019, 10:43 PM

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Basically newest development is just about anything decent paired with Warspite retrofit is amazing

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 10:44 PM

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Rerun for sword when taigaCry

neon trench Dec 11, 2019, 10:44 PM

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Damm, I don't see my fav ship, Roon anywhere on the list

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 10:44 PM

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She's not good for pvp

#

Pve is her niche

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From what I hear, iron blood in general dont fare very well in PvP

neon trench Dec 11, 2019, 10:45 PM

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Interseting that yukikaze is everywhere on the list

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 10:46 PM

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Yuki let's you live longer so id assume that's why she's popular

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Helps your VG stall while your main fleet pumps out dps

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 10:46 PM

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her and juneau yea

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thats why typical VG setup is almost always Jun+ykkz+ anyone decent

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 10:53 PM

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Is there a better option for getting my random PvP botes up higher squint

📎 Screenshot_20191211-175333_Azur_Lane.jpg

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They are pretty frail
So grinding is iffy

still minnow Dec 11, 2019, 10:55 PM

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@neon trench pvp in this game is about just using whatever ship is most broken

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yukikaze is extremely broken

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therefore yukikaze is everywhere

neon trench Dec 11, 2019, 10:56 PM

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lol

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 10:57 PM

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just farm for gear BPs and plates in lower maps
p sure even lv 50s can handle w6

neon trench Dec 11, 2019, 10:58 PM

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so the idea in pvp is to make your vanguard peel for your main ships

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and the main ships will carry then..?

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 10:58 PM

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yes

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except for azuma cos shes backliner pretending to be a VG

#

BuckySmug

neon trench Dec 11, 2019, 10:59 PM

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getting yukikaze is going to be such a pain

ionic magnet Dec 11, 2019, 10:59 PM

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but yea VGs are there for support and tanking

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 10:59 PM

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at least she is in perma build

#

also by tank we mean dodge

still minnow Dec 11, 2019, 11:00 PM

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sirius in perma build when

#

xD

#

jebait yostar

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 11:00 PM

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getting hit by a shell is basically game over for 100% of vg

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cause lol fire

meager dawn Dec 11, 2019, 11:35 PM

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just slap fire suppressors on everyone GWcorbinTopKek

elder crane Dec 11, 2019, 11:48 PM

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Well, Yukikaze is the only one that with a FE mounted survives long enough for FE fire reduction to matter
For the rest, before you get to the point where FE's reduction matters, they've sunk

vague token Dec 11, 2019, 11:55 PM

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well it does reduce chance of fire i think

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but it isnt worth dropping a boiler

proper thistle Dec 11, 2019, 11:59 PM

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I scrapped my boilers because #gameplay-help said they were bad UniCry

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Forgot they were used for pvp

upper sparrow Dec 12, 2019, 12:03 AM

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why yukikaze in pvp use twin 100gold not 76mm or 120mm? the blue one got better RoF for her barrage right?

still minnow Dec 12, 2019, 12:08 AM

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for the AA stat