#pvp
ionic magnet
blazing scroll
When I have the time I might even record the matches
blazing scroll
coral wren
freedom?
blazing scroll
Sadly, my freedom will probably die when people have maxed fdg
forest lake
blazing scroll
Unless Georgia can so some insane dmg
But I've only see her deal insane dmg in pve
ionic magnet
i really dont know if fdg is an upgrade from hiryuu
if im using 2 CVs
cos they all got poo AAs
blazing scroll
The hp is the only obstacle
But that's something worth testing, I suppose
Killing bbs with cvs is easy afterall
ionic magnet
really need to rework tierlist
blazing scroll
So it's plausible
blazing scroll
coral wren
why there is no gold 406 😦
blazing scroll
There is a gold 406
It even has normal shell types
I haven't found any good runs with Georgia on yt
vague token
the gold 406 is for mass only
since she's the only BB tier ammo converter
but no barrage so rip
trying fcr/white shell warspite
xD
forest lake
Idk if this counts as a good run since idk JP meta but I remember there was one with Namaryuu
dry agate
Any of the new event gear useful in pvp?
ionic magnet
teddy bear is a boiler but gold
midnight heron
waste aux plates 
still minnow
me too lel
frail orbit
Same w/ me.
Gib the bug again but with real value pls kek.
drowsy arrow
What'd be recommended loadout for Retro Warspite?
elder crane
410AP, PR152 or 155 if none, Staag or 113/Bofors if none, HFCR/White shell or optionally SG radars over either
@frail orbit
Btw they say they changed "display value bug" but the bug was actually real values
Probably a white lie so ppl don't freak out
As in, bear actually used to give +500, etc.
No idea, probably not
I assume it's either
- whoever wrote patch didn't know it actually affected real values
- white lie, cause "fixed display bug" is "ok" but "nerfed bugged values" is "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
Eh, first is more okay since you're not actually losing anything with the patch, you were just misled
Well, you're mad cause of bug then, not cause of patch
2nd, you're mad cause of patch
drowsy arrow
This one is the 410AP?
elder crane
Yep
If you don't have it, mk6 is good
Yeah
I was hoping they'd actually change equip stats so the event stuff isn't just downgraded/identical
Like, maybe +30 Eva +10 Hit or something, etc.
drowsy arrow
Thank you. And I don't want to sound dumb, but with secondary gun... what's a "Nepgun"?
Ahh I think I got one of that.
elder crane
Idk why ppl bother with these nicknames when there's a just-as-easy way to better specify it
Like, Hoodgun/monarchgun, sure
But Nepgun is just PR152
(observation in general, since everyone does this)
ashen lion
Lol thanks for spent all of your entry 
blazing scroll
midnight heron
snipe hiryuu 
jovial mural
ty
midnight heron
its just a guess
jovial mural
If i replace centaur by warkai, i'm supposed to place her bot too?
midnight heron
well if im using dat setup its either warkai mid + hood top or warkai bot/top + hood top/bot and let qe die in mid
jovial mural
Are there specific rules concerning the backlane focus (except precise spell effects like "focus the farthest ennemy etc..) or is it random ?
midnight heron
its random and ofc target priority ships like amagi/hiryuu/warkai with precise skills
also warkai's mark increase chance of hms bb firing on them
so u can always try ap shell loadout to wipe enemy backline
just dont giv everyone ap shell cuz then it hits vg for peanuts
midnight heron
i once had >100 eva on hiryuu and still got sniped by amagi
its true its no joke its a bad joke
blazing scroll
coral wren
Got walled by namagiws. Feelsweirdman. I guess stall vg is not an option there, should have swaped neptune for aurora since it had jun/jin/yuki
vague token
stall vg doesnt do much against triple bb unless you avoid killing their stall vg
so you force shells into rng
eg you're running a CV
coral wren
Ye, that was a bad idea. Funny thing is monarch can't really tank wskai
Well, lesson learned
coral wren
Ye, it all comes to ws vs ws
coral wren
Well, full oath along with amagi almost negates your offensive bonus, so...
But that's kinda my problem for not oathing boats
coral wren
tru
elder crane
Aaaaaa Eld just walled my FC comp for 3 full strikes, 4 strikes to kill her 
Luckily rest of their team was garbage
elder crane
LFC is working surprisingly well vs Namayuu
Torp-vgs though are a PitA due to how LFC works
Need to swap to Hiryuu over lusty if vs a proper WS comp though, though once you do, it's a fairly easy win
Just rando ppl running nonmeta shite ffs
Why are you using sandyret/eld/enty aaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Oh lol that's a shitty ss
Still, Sandyret >50% HP even after a full FC plowing
EZ win still though since Hiryuu stalls so damn well
forest lake
Eh if you win someone with the same points but lower rank than you does it give base or minus points?
vague token
i mean, i would find it more believable that points are floats, they just display an int
so if you have the same points on display, you might not in the back end
so you might actually be higher points by some float value xD
or w/e they want to store their points as
kek
hot creek
if you're tied with someone in points it just goes by order of who reached the value first, not by some leftover undisplayed value
also, to answer question: I imagine you'll get the point penalty
since battling someone who is higher ranked but same points still gives you base point.
vague token
i thought we've had people get 10 and 9 from same points
without any pattern to order
hot creek
nope. just depends on the ranking, as usual.
hot creek
yep, no rng here.
only one case of wonky rng is when its late season and sometimes +35 won't give you a bonus.
shell heron
shit I moved to a rank 150+ and ate a +0
hot creek
this late into the season anything less than 100 is definitely not giving you a bonus, at least on sandy.
midnight heron
damn i love the new yukikaze skin /s 
forest lake
coral wren
Ugh... 406 is underperforming compared to 410, weird. Burns should do much more overall
coral wren
Ye, that's weird.
coral wren
Is there an updated version of the tierlist?
hot creek
Not really, but not like much has changed except you can stick WS Kai in some places now. IJN still reigns op.
coral wren
Can i still get da pvp tierlist
hot creek
Yeah, it's in the pins.
valid stirrup
When juneau gets to level 115, where she is 109 currently, go replace lonkai with jun?
No nagato/amagi/yukkikaze 
valid stirrup
I also do have sanrui almost dev30, and warspite kai might be decent to raise? But idk how exactly to use her considering the way my attacking team is set up. Been doing light builds, no luck 
meager dawn
Get 27:00
Get Nanoda
Get Nowaki
elder crane
Depending on the team, you might not be getting enough time for mk6 fires to be impactful enough
E.g. if warspite+friends is sniping down a ship, then fires on it don't really contribute
Also, if it's scorecards you're looking at, keep in mind fire damage is not counted in scorecard damage
ionic magnet
woah really
i always thought kgv had bloated dmg on end screen cos of early fires
im not exactly sure how refreshing fires work either
does the original attacker gets credit or not
but turns out it doesnt matter if it doesnt reflect on end screen dmg
elder crane
Idk, I heard it from one of the testers, and it sure explains why some numbers are often not what I'm expecting
I suppose it's fairly easily testable in today's daily, might do that
Also not sure what happens with other dots
Floods are probably ass to try to test
ionic magnet
@valid stirrup saying warspite is decent is just wrong. shes your best bote if you don't have namagi
coral wren
Oh man..
valid stirrup
Who to go replace then? One of my foxes? But if i replace one, i gotta replace the other
ionic magnet
replace hiryuu
valid stirrup
Maybe enty goes back, or i can go play around with formidable/centaur
Oh, hiryuu? But 15s of invinc is carrying my ass
ionic magnet
yes warkai + FC is very solid also
yea im saying warkai can carry harder than hiryuu
valid stirrup
Or is hiryuu not as good since I don't have nagato making hiryuu's dmg stupid
ionic magnet
well its more of a 3 CV problem
valid stirrup
Yeah, it is kinda glass cannony hmm
ionic magnet
yep
valid stirrup
Ah well, rip foxes. They were good while they lasted
ionic magnet
generally you want atleast 1 BB to tank in flag or atleast use a CV with heavy armor
coral wren
Should i replace hiryu’s Gold Catapult and Purple Aviation fuel tank combo with Purple Homing Beacon and Purple 100/150 Aviation fuel?
ionic magnet
not to mention tanking warspite is a thing now also
valid stirrup
Hoh?
coral wren
Aight thankz
ionic magnet
tho hiryuu could use some eva gear also especially if you need a beaver holder
valid stirrup
These r all the options i can really play with
Warkai still a WIP, will probably work on after juneau is done
No reppus 
got max or near max other gold stuff tho
ionic magnet
hmm id go with hiryuu foxes also then til you get warkai
valid stirrup
Once i do get warkai, who would be my other 2 solid options. FC, and just get rid of hiryuu?
valid stirrup
Current vanguard is mont, zara, lonkai. Maybe replace mont with sanrui dev30? And lonkai with Jun
ionic magnet
jun ykkz + sheff/bel/sanrui/nep
ionic magnet
hmm get nep then
valid stirrup
Nep is too far off from dev30 oof, or even dev20
I kinda focused everything on sanrui 
ionic magnet
but honestly just use any decent one til you get ykkz
valid stirrup
So as soon as i get ykk, zara goes into the bag
valid stirrup
Who is at position 1, in the middle, and off to the side? U want juneu to get hit first, so she takes the blunt of dmg?
ionic magnet
tho sandy is prolly better than her
ionic magnet
yeah but if you already have sanrui+jun then you can afford using her
valid stirrup
But she does handle eneny planes i guess
ionic magnet
on offense i like using jun at lead then middle is for your squishier VG then cockroach aka ykkz at the back
valid stirrup
Formi warkai centy
Juneau sankai sanrui
This the formation to assemble such a team?
ionic magnet
yeah p much
valid stirrup
And move warkai as sees fit to fuk over certain units? Since i know about her targeting priority of furthest
ionic magnet
im using jun sheff ykkz for example
valid stirrup
Who do u tend to want to fuk over at the start, hiryuu?
I notice nagato 7 sakura thing completely shreds my team if the bullet barrage goes of, maybe fuk nagato?
ionic magnet
from my testing it doesnt really affect your winrate but im hitting hiryuu first for faster matches
you cant hit flag first
valid stirrup
Oh yea
valid stirrup
True, i forgot nagato is normally only in flag amagi if she exists then?
ionic magnet
yea amagi or hiryuu
elder crane
Amagi is prolly the better target if you can't guarantee a win, yeah
At least, as offense, stalling wsret with hiryuu is a super comfortable win
Also
Nonflag Nagato
Good meme
ionic magnet
valid stirrup
But doesn't that mean i have to swap out formi/centy if i actually want to use hiryuu+war 
Eh if sandy is in the fleet...maybe replace formi due to the stupid amount of AA provided?
ionic magnet
i still want to try namagi before i quit
@valid stirrup that could work too. for now i only tested warkai fc so yea
valid stirrup
Thing is..in pvp planes seem so stupidly hard to kill. They have 4x more hp or something like that?
granite flame
Question for Research XP development
If I was researching FDG and used a full lvl 120 Backline, even though it says I get 0 XP from levels, all XP I’d normally get would go to the development?
blazing scroll
If it costs oil then yes
vale juniper
Anyone against this my PvP Fleet..??
I just wanna know.. How was it..??
latent birch
im pretty sure i fought some fleet with the same botes as those. t'was fairly easy as for someone like me who uses namaryuu with torp meme. only had problem with fleets with almost same comp as mine.
mild spruce
i saw comps with sirius but thats more offensively oriented i guess
zenith tundra
is kgv better then ws kai with formi and centaur? i can't try her because lvl 86
ripe latch
juneau boys 🚮
fair prism
are homing beacon and aviation fuel useful for pvp?
stoic skiff
The fuel is better than a oil tank
fair prism
better than a catapult tho?
stoic skiff
I am not that depth in pvp You should wait someone better to respond
blazing scroll
Catapult is like the worst CV aux in pvp
It just gives flat stats, nothing else
Oil tank and fuel give bonus hp to your planes which results in more end of screen dmg to the enemy
fair prism
more stats=more dmg no?
ionic magnet
kgv is nice and all but she can still miss her early shots when you get unlucky. warkai is just a guaranteed dmg (havent seen a double miss on her barrage yet) that makes it super easy to focus hiryuu/amagi. so yea warkai is p much an upgrade to kgv
30 avi is nothing compared to extra plane hp and now avgas even gives extra plane speed
fair prism
so that stuff is must get for pvp?
ionic magnet
yea
elder crane
2 of fuel/beacon/badge/rudder is the general rec
Chosen to match circumstances
I don't have KGV up so
With FC, Illustrious actually works vs Hiryuu teams
Otherwise, it's Hiryuu to tank Warspite
Those are the two strats that I know work
Vs anything else, run whatever lol you'll win anyways
Still less consistent than just Warkai HMS or standard IJN though
vague token
kgv shifts your focus compared to warkai anyways
kgv is about nuking vanguard early with just 1 shell
setting them on fire for 100% ko on air strike
ws/fc is probably more about torpedo/suicide damage on backline
but you also happen to splash the vanguard
also note that because of the mirror problem centaur doesnt work on defense
or at least for me i havent seen one hit their barrage
xD
ive seen it at least twice
i can verify that
they literally go away from center
first time i saw it i was like nani
river crest
I can confirme the KFC is very effective against namaryuu.... the only time I lose is if my vanguard somehow loses to the IJN vanguard (very very unlikely cause usually IJN vanguards are wiped after KGV early shot+ combo Centaur and Formi first air raid) and hiryuu somehow solo my 3 backline after nagato and amagi are dead (almost always)
vague token
yeah kfc doesnt actually have high aa
xD
if you have to eat final counter with no vg it's gonna hurt
formidable is sub 300
and centaur is lower than her
lol
i mean fighters dont stop the 2k bomb anyways
xD
river crest
I use SG radar and beaver for my KgV btw... even if only one shell hit to IJN vanguard usually takes at least 30% of one of the IJN vanguard ships
vague token
1 shell should take more
ionic magnet
kfc was still the 2nd best comp after namaryuu after all
vague token
because of the fire
the fire from kgv will easily put any vg to near death
before your fc hits
appropriate because she likes spicy food
river crest
and of course fire damage just make sure they are extra dead when the combo centaur and formi comes in
vague token
honestly if you get hit by first shell from amagi
your vg is probably also dead
xD
just easier to dodge since she only throws 2
instead of 4
shelling rng is the true rng
river crest
amagi or nagato is almost never the last surviving ship of an IJN pvp line up... it's always fking hiryuu cause the 15 seconds immunity... amagi and nagato would usually die around the second air raid or earlier... also I put formi to tank amagi shots... and centaur to get the free from harassment spot when lined up against hiryuu
vague token
well, when your cv centric that's also the case cause hiryuu kai gets like +70 aa
xD
river crest
usually hiryuu is finished off by one of my vanguard ships after her immunity ends... she really sucks at killing them... I use belfast aurora and juneau
vague token
personally i prefer killing hiryuu first cause im running sandy atm
and amagi likes to troll me
and my amagi trolls everyone with rudder/armor
xD
river crest
I use my formi with super heavy armor and tank to tank amagi barrages... she's never really an issue for me... nagato is if she somehow survive for multiple barrages (unlikely cause my ryusei centaur wipes her out early usually)
elder crane
Yeah, that's the point of LFC
Sometimes you just win the trades, but it also makes winning by vanguard more likely
Still, occasionally Nagato goes 2/2 on barrages, you vanguard fails to dodge, and your vanguard just dies
vague token
shelling rng sucks
xD
hmm yes my +24 speed triple cl team just wiggles in shell radius
or stops
fun times
elder crane
Or they decide to block amagi's barrages
or that, shells
vague token
and im like
i would have slaughtered you people
but no, i caught amagi early shelling
so im on fire
guess ill die
elder crane
Or the good old, "let's try to catch ALL the torpedos!"
vague token
i mean, that one is ok cause you dont burn after
xD
nowadays i just eat the torps then gun down whoever is leading in a torp comp before my mains even have to do anything
elder crane
Not if for some reason ykkz decides that dodging torps or activating her skill is for scrubs
elder crane
she's not even lead ship
vague token
elder crane
Like, there was this one team that was just cursed for me
vague token
rip
elder crane
3rd position ykkz, sniped twice in a row
vague token
o.O
elder crane
I swap her to mid, still gets sniped somehow
then 4th match, I just roll over them 
like, wtf
vague token
it is so satisfying to just gun down jintsuu leads
with the power of sandy + aurora + main aux
pew pew
shell heron
wait. I forgot to do 2 matches either this morning or yesterday
now I'm at 2550 score range
coral wren
Meh, met another almost full oathed namagiws with jin and rolled them over. Not sure, perhaps last one was stacking eva on his backline but in that case i wonder if ws kai would have enough dmg to burst monarch down along with amagi.
aur also feels very good, honestly nep seems to be working better with fc setup rather than with 3 bbs
vague token
i would just skip monarch personally
just run kgv/amagi/wskai
and keep aurora for 3rd hms
then just use armor amagi since she isnt the one doing the work
forest lake
elder crane
Armor smh
Rudder is where it's at
vague token
armor rudder amagi is best ;)
zenith tundra
did anyone tried testing amagi bunnies?
vague token
doubt it xD
zenith tundra
it seems pretty decent tbh. i'm beating some namaryuu pretty easily
vague token
im too busy using ws/amagi/formi
ionic magnet
seems like 2 CVs just wins vs namaryuus
zenith tundra
but also cannot really lose to ws kai either
ionic magnet
i actually tested tanking warkai+amagi with formi and she survived 2/3 of the time and in the ones where she died, i still won anyways
namaryuu is still the only legit def comp
zenith tundra
i hope i get an azuma namaryuu to test better
vague token
i don't like using formi to tank cause the shelling pressure usually gets her
since her base hp is just ok
zenith tundra
formi hp is lower then centaur
ionic magnet
im using rudder with her and zero problems tanking ws+amagi barrages
vague token
i mean armor amagi takes 3.8k per shot i think?
but armor amagi has much more hp
it should be like 3.4k or so
on formidable
the follow up shelling is more problematic assuming izumo gun
zenith tundra
i don't think ws amagi is a good def comp tbh
ionic magnet
its not
latent birch
if only you get reward pts per enemy shikikans your def fleet has defeated. that'll encourage everyone to assemble good def fleet.
vague token
i think it walls off weaker fleets much more easily
except that defense never gets wins
because we reset
zenith tundra
did anyone tried to figure out bis setup for formi with ws kai equipped with mk6?
vague token
so that only affects casuals
who dont reset at all
and then we eat them for more bonus xD
ionic magnet
helldiver alba cuda should time well with mk6
im using reppuu alba cuda rn with trip 381 so yea
zenith tundra
idk about helldivers to be forced into cudas. i'd pick something that works with ryuusei
ionic magnet
implying cudas are bad
zenith tundra
implying that helldivers imo are not worth
vague token
heccdiver makes her so slow =/
ionic magnet
yea
ionic magnet
more fighters more crash dmg when hiryuu barrage procs
vague token
kek
the ap dive bomber is like 9 seconds right?
that would work pretty well for her utility if you dont want to use a fighter
you can armor break vanguard for your bbs
or main
xD
zenith tundra
armor break who?
vague token
perfect 
ap dive works on all armor
for reasons unknown
so it is just a damage buff if you are lucky xD
a fighter is more defensive or for getting free damage on hiryuu barrage like hooloo said
zenith tundra
shields don't work on azuma mg. in box daily she just deal dmg like it's nothing
ionic magnet
forest lake
zenith tundra
i think by dev 25 she is like bis 3rd ship for any comp
elder crane
Apparently by dev 20, at least with Namagi
zenith tundra
in namaryuu her dmg is 15k+ consistently by dev 25
forest lake
zenith tundra
she's usually 2nd or 3rd in dmg
8028hp and 93 eva azuma with just rudder vs 8147 hp 98 eva amagi with rudder sg. the only difference is the extra 10% evasion from amagi skill
odd schooner
So who's doing kgv test
I want to know now before my gems turns to cubes
Oh
Is it
Monarch amagi wskai still?
:z35wow-3:
forest lake
odd schooner
cerulean estuary
im using monarch amagi ws kai
with a bit of kms meme
juneau / leipzig and nanoda
cerulean estuary
i oathed her but shes not lvl 120 as of now
odd schooner
So which is more consistent
Can't test for a while cause of pinball
Wam or kgv fleet
cerulean estuary
warsprite amagi monarch = wam
forest lake
WarKai is pretty inconsistent in defense in general
Since ppl can adjust for a better matchup
If you mean offense either works fine
As long as you have the right VG
Tho Amagi is a better investment since you can use her literally everywhere
cerulean estuary
the only downside of pr2 bb's are 0 luck , unless u unlock/build her to fate 5 which gives u 15 luck
but its still too low
elder crane
Plus Amagi-warspoot will be the only one of the two meta soon with PR2
cerulean estuary
im building KMS meme fleet once i got mama FDG
leipzig and roon are ready for more meme battles
zenith tundra
idk fdg won't be meta till dev 20+ and that takes forever
elder crane
Well, it's azuma
Means you can't run enough HMS for KGV
Not without dropping one of Azuma/Ykkz/juneau
And Azuma doesn't need dev30 to start dominating current flex spot
zenith tundra
dev 20 fgd is not better then hiryuu with namagi
odd schooner
I mean
I still have namaryuu for def
Just need some fast clear offense for last minute push
elder crane
That's slow though due to needing resets
odd schooner
Ye
elder crane
Warkai HMS almost as fast with no reset needed
forest lake
Well Hiryuu makes everything slower
elder crane
Should be faster than wam
cerulean estuary
need rainbow FE for azuma
zenith tundra
u need rainbow gyroscope for her
elder crane
Azuma is rudder/armor these days
odd schooner
She dies faster than nep pre dev30?
zenith tundra
armor is so bad and makes her useless against any cv
elder crane
Armor azuma literally laughs at Nagato barrage, which wrecks vanguards otherwise
elder crane
CVs aren't meta, lol
zenith tundra
from when def fleets are meta only?
elder crane
Doesn't matter, CV team = ez win anyways
elder crane
Don't need to optimize vs teams you crush
zenith tundra
if u run into some torp meme u might regret losing vg easily
elder crane
Doesn't matter if it means you crush them anyways cause lol torpmeme
odd schooner
Btw when did rainbow gyro appeat
zenith tundra
never
elder crane
There isn't one, it's a hypothetical
zenith tundra
i wish i had one
cerulean estuary
rainbow stealth bomber with nuclear bomb instant win
odd schooner
@cerulean estuary any notable item from hololive for pvp
Except skin
Oh i accidentally click name
Lol
zenith tundra
none really
btw did they fix stats on equips since they were different in en compared to jp/cn?
elder crane
Yes
forest lake
cerulean estuary
its just colored yellow , and it will only increase ur fleet power and most importantly eat ur t3 auxillary parts
odd schooner
Just this instance or stays after hololive ends
elder crane
Works in PvP unlike KizAI ones
Nobody knows
Might stay since new ship skins have custom bgm too, so they need to keep assets anyways
But as usual
Also upgrade costs are reduced
Same plate cost as purples iirc, just slightly more gold
zenith tundra
they have same stats as purples
elder crane
Uses the CN costs btw, is why
zenith tundra
at the very least the teddy bear one
elder crane
We got another KizAI box, which is nice I suppose
zenith tundra
92 fleet power for literally nothing extra
elder crane
+15 eva +25 hit for CV/Ls
elder crane
I'm hoping they keep mio bug
Not like it makes her suddenly good anyways
zenith tundra
i tried cn build for namaryuu and throw it off the window as soon as i needed a reset against a nakaga comp
elder crane
Fubuki still has her bug too
zenith tundra
extra hit and fp isn't worth the trouble of getting rng
elder crane
As with anywhere, some CN peeps have.... Unique... Ideas on how to equip ships
zenith tundra
i have to say namaryuu with 2 hsrcr and full offensive hiryuu gear is not a slow comp but also it's more vulnerable to bad rng
zenith tundra
i use sg rudder on both amagi and nagato and armor beaver on hiryuu. i would switch to beave rudder amagi and armor rudder hiryuu if not for amagi doing way better with sg on offense
fossil yarrow
Heyo
I wanna share my pvp team for everyone
Here
Not the best one, but I just give an option for PvP players
cerulean estuary
feel free to post anything about pvp 
meager dawn
What about the gear 
forest lake
meager dawn
where's the 2nd rainbow torp
fossil yarrow
Where?
forest lake
Idk bout Ibuki but I think you're better off using Pearl's + Oxytorp and Bulge + Boiler on Juneau
Mb
forest lake
Also is that JP 
Get Azumama asap I guess
meager dawn
Rudder on nanoda 
meager dawn
~~25% chance to reduce dmg to 1, high eva and a chance to dodge everything for 2 sec 
~~
fossil yarrow
If I have 2 hfcr
I will do it already
But JP got only FW rerun
So only 1 hfcr
What is rudder?
forest lake
Rudder+SG then
fossil yarrow
Oh
forest lake
The washing machine thing from PR
forest lake
red nexus
I like, but doe ibuki really cut it for full meta comp?
fossil yarrow
@forest lake
red nexus
Also 76mm... goddamn meme
red nexus
Wouldn't you usally use the gold twin 100mm on nanoda?
forest lake
@fossil yarrow Much better ye. I use Twin 100mm personally but idk
ionic magnet
its a preference not really a big deal but yea most ppl here use 100mm for AA
forest lake
76mm for more barrage spam, 100mm for slightly more AA
forest lake
red nexus
Good to know
fossil yarrow
Guys
red nexus
Also i have juneau on 100 and atm still use my 116 nimi, do you think juneau is already better?
ionic magnet
that's assuming ppl wont stop using BBs ofc
red nexus
I don't think the usage of BBs will decline any time, soon
forest lake
ionic magnet
well jun just needs to die at the right time
you can prolly hide her in middle spot and see if she dies too fast
fossil yarrow
Ykkz is tougher than I expected
With the equip you guys said
Not totally end game equip, but very helpful
That's amazing
forest lake
Boilers are good since you get to literally dodge stuff instead of relying on EVA
ionic magnet
yea rarity dont mean much in this game
fossil yarrow
Ye
ionic magnet
so many exceptions
forest lake
blazing scroll
@forest lake dodge stuff? I thought boilers helped with catching all the enemy torpedoes
fossil yarrow
I am gonna step on the gas
forest lake
ionic magnet
forest lake
fossil yarrow
Azur Lane will need 64-bit os
forest lake
You mean the emu thing?
forest lake
Bluestacks has a 64-bit version
blazing scroll
fossil yarrow
Nox is still fine?
forest lake
Not for me it isn't 
forest lake
fossil yarrow
So....
forest lake
Mine runs really badly in PVP matches
fossil yarrow
Should I use another emulator?
blazing scroll
I'd say stick with the one you use if you don't encounter problems
forest lake
If you don't like the lags then I guess? 
blazing scroll
Otherwise switch
fossil yarrow
But I need to record vid on emulator tho
forest lake
Ah right you're a youtuber 
fossil yarrow
Vid rec I use is Bandicam
blazing scroll
The only random thing I have on Nox is that the screen turns white at random moments
forest lake
^
forest lake
Mine doesn't lag too much on PVE but it does on PVP
So I usually do PVP on my phone 
blazing scroll
OBS?
forest lake
Idk much about recorders so 
blazing scroll
I did some streaming for fun with OBS and streamlabs
upper sparrow
fleet tech stat point counted in fleet power at pvp?
and triple 410mm good on warkai?
forest lake
Don't think so
And yea Triple 410mm is good on WarKai if you have other fire setters
bronze hedge
For PVP hms backline , i have centaur monarch formidable and warkai? Which one should i use?
dusk stirrup
dusk stirrup
shy hazel
red nexus
Idk which hms are the big 3 right now, but choose from:
Warkai +
Kgv, Monarch, Doy, Hood
These are the best iirc
shy hazel
if you follow hooloo's suggestion rn
hooloo always uses hms btw
your best best isnt full hms
its kgv wskai and
amagi
if you dont have amagi use monarch
red nexus
Seems like kgv monarch warkai
red nexus
If you insist on playing hms
shy hazel
or phoenix
bronze hedge
So what the best comp now ? Warkai kgv monarch?
I do have kgv but kinda not lv up her skill
mild spruce
KGV is better than QE in full HMS?
Had a few instances in which WS and Monarch couldn’t kill a target in the first volley
With monarch barrage
bronze hedge
Btw do namaryu still the t0?
midnight heron
fk me forgot about lecture hall again for 6 days wasted exp
ionic magnet
@shy hazel pinging at 3am 
@bronze hedge warkai + FC is what im testing rn
so far i can say that its on par with namaryuu on offense
p much no rng involved so very consistent
other hms comps are still wip
hot creek
didn't get pinged feelsgoodman
warm saffron
amagi nagato hiryu
yukikaze and juneau, who should be the 3rd? Belfast?
i mean i see it all the time
ionic magnet
3rd slot is free slot
warm saffron
and i just want to be able to click battle and forget about it
to farm 1200 merit/day
i've seen st louis used instead of belfast
ionic magnet
yes it doesnt really matter
ionic magnet
yea
er no shes not a problem with FC
but shes decent so shes fine as third VG
sanrui belfast nep jintsuu ibuki sheff aurora
did i miss anyone
pick one of those and youre fine
zenith tundra
ibuki 1st choice imo at least till azuma
elder crane
Sandyret survives first FC strike better than ykkz does
But for offense, enemy FC probably isn't ever an issue so don't bother teching vs it
zenith tundra
is defense a thing in the 1st place to even consider it?
ionic magnet
well yea anything not namaryuu is just meh on def
tho as far as offense goes theres prolly like 5-10 t0 comps now cos of warkai
zenith tundra
is namaryuu that hard still even with ws kai?
ionic magnet
making even namaryuu look meh
vague token
for me it's still shelling dependent
if amagi lands a burn on first shot
ill probably lose
just cause eating double hiryuu strikes on main is basically lol nope
which is why i prefer hiryuu to be hit usually, cause then i just tank it with triple cl xD
maybe i should go back to baltimore and use kgv/amagi/wskai
so i have backline pressure when vanguard sinks
finite valve
who was the person in here that manage to oath PR at lvl 10 and how you did it?
might come in handy for when oathing momma and my wife
bronze hedge
What is FC? Fox carriers?
vague token
formidable centaur
finite valve
formidable + centaur
vague token
i mean actually bad on defense cause the barrage mirror
bronze hedge
I want to try smth else beside namaryu , which should i use? Kgv still in process of lvling her up
I want to try smth else beside namaryu , which should i use? Kgv still in process of lvling her up
vague token
i mean if you dont want to run meta you should just use whatever you feel like xD
finite valve
i think better question is how much reset per fight vs cancer are you willing to take?
also just use waifu > meta
vague token
like as long as you use warspite you can use basically whoever
long as it makes sense
bronze hedge
True haha , btw dang a lv 110 kgv just delete my Vanguard , too bad he use warkai , i just put my hiryu opposite of wk to make all their hms bb snipe hiryu
upper sparrow
centaur bugged on defense? wdym 
vague token
so normally centaur barrage converges in the center of the screen right?
well, lazy mirror is lazy on defense
they inverted the y axis too
so the torpedoes go away from the center
elder crane
Well, I think I have a conclusion on Lusty tech for FC vs Namayuu
Doesn't work too well without Azuma - Nagato barrage just ruins your day.
I'll be trying out Warkai who's probably the better option
HFC though just shits all over Warkai as usual, basically 100% due to Hiryuu
coral wren
i don't buy that lusty is a legit pick on cn tbh for fc. She gives your vg like what, 1200 hp shield? nagato barrage/1 pellet and it's gone.
elder crane
tbh you're actually right around that tipping point for pushing your vanguard through
From what I see, with Azuma, ~80% of the time Vanguard lives to end
Without Azuma, it's tighter cause a double Nagato proc or Nagato+good shelling/torps just wrecks vanguard
When Nagato decides to be merciful though (or my vanguard manages to hide from it at edge), then it's a fairly easy win, 2nd strike kills everyone but Hiryuu, then your vanguard just needs to mop up and it doesn't matter if your main fleet is still alive
glacial shuttle
Is the positioning of Vanguard fine? Mostly against Namaryuu
elder crane
Ykkz should not lead
Bel is probably best lead there, since I'm a bit skeptical on 117 Juneau; Juneau lead might still be fine though
glacial shuttle
Juneau is the first who dies usually when I go against Namaryuu
Like 5 out of 6 resets
coral wren
Ye, hiryuu/ws should be a much better 3 slotter for fc. I guess we will find out for ourselves once pr2 is here. Maybe even fdg will be a legit shit for fc
elder crane
Well, she's supposed to die first (or second)
The problem is when she dies before other ships (especially main fleet) take damage
Also, if you don't already have it that way, pearl is better on Belfast here
ionic magnet
bel jun ykkz
3 BBs wont die that fast so jun lead is less effective
what gears are you using on jun btw
glacial shuttle
Nepgun, Quad Mag, Bofors, Washmachine, Bulge
ionic magnet
you using any boiler on your other VG?
glacial shuttle
Nah, Bel has Pearl + Bulge and YKKZ FE + Toolbox
ionic magnet
well you want atleast 1 but preferably 2 boilers
replace toolbox on ykkz and rudder on jun
should help you tank better
coral wren
Uhh, is there any point in washing machine on kgv mid? Since nagato and amagi all using hoodgun, it's passive should be kinda pointless
forest lake
Ideal equip would be
Bel: 155, Mag torps, Roomba, Pearl, Bulge
Juneau: 127/138.6, Mag torps, Roomba, Boiler x2
Ykkz: 100/76, Mag torps, Bofors, Boiler, FE
ionic magnet
passive is pointless but rudder still gives the most eHP
glacial shuttle
I've been using Hoodgun on Monarch to melt Amagi fast, but once FW reruns come, should I swap her SG for FCR?
still minnow
is 2 roomba 1 bofors the best ratio of damage to rate of fire?
my vg is 3 ships with very high AA stats so idk which guns to give them
rn 2 bofors 1 roomba
forest lake
Don't really think RoF matters since it's auto and your VG flies everywhere 
Best might be x3 Roomba
Well DDs have abysmal AA anyway so 
coral wren
Meh, i guess i will switch to badger.
ionic magnet
just put sg + hfcr on monarch if you have it
tho putting it on warkai is an option too
elder crane
You don't ever use rudder for the passive anyways
it's the +Eva that matters
coral wren
Ye, but like, +20% speed should be > +5 eva, no?
forest lake
ionic magnet
sure if you dont need it on your other backliners
elder crane
For AA guns, you're gonna be putting staag on all your main fleet anyways
therefore, 113 on all vanguards
forest lake
elder crane
Then that's different
he's running 3BB
You'll want roughly half and half, with the obvious vanguard staag ships being CAs (for the +hit) and ykkz (cause her AA is low)
forest lake
bronze hedge
Most of the time where do i put warkai?
elder crane
for defense, it doesn't really matter since you want to target a particular ship with her and no one will ever let you do that anyways
coral wren
i don't think doy belongs in pvp anymore 😄 she was kinda a temporal replacement for a wacky old ws but that's it
bronze hedge
IC , btw people usually use what beside namayu
coral wren
i'd just put qe in the middle and make mon and ws to focus down amagi or whatever
elder crane
With Warspite retro, you can basically run whatever HMS and/or amagi you want, and yes, that includes dork
Can even run Foxes
Other than that, Namagi ofc, and FC is legit too
hot creek
i got rekt by WS/Doy/KGV the other day. Doy first salvo sniping backline with WS hurts
Of course, Juneau was surviving the whole time and fail to heal.
coral wren
but it's just a 12% dmg increase
hot creek
Fuck Juneau
coral wren
🤔
bronze hedge
Btw how do u know if ur team defender manage to win againts the attacker
finite valve
@bronze hedge you don't
hot creek
finite valve
def team in pvp just meant to annoy ppl or to wall off noob / newbie
against vet def is just an annoyance at best
hot creek
Doy barrage can sync with Formi
maximum slow time 
Time to start training my Doy again
elder crane
That doesn't matter in PvP though do to that stupid targeting
elder crane
literally the worst type of targeting for 4 low-damage high-dispersion shots that apply slow
forest lake
just reset until enemy vg becomes the 'furthest'
hot creek
coral wren
That's kinda fucked they didn't make it so for the whole next season ppl could see what rank you got in previous one
hot creek
Eh, its fine. AL pvp is supposed to be nothing more than a side mode anyways. Those who go for EoS do it for fun or because they can. Or because they're masochists
dusk stirrup
empty grove
zenith tundra
it is if u are living in the wrong part of the world
latent birch
and it's not even worth it
dusk stirrup
empty grove
Not a matter of worth when it requires 0 effort
Last 3 days of RNG makes the entire thing anyway, an earlier lead just gives you leeway before getting rammed
zenith tundra
it must be nice not having resets either at 3am or 5am
coral wren
5 is better than 4. Just about time i have to get up and prep for work
shy hazel
famine sexposed
hot creek
AL sandbagging bot? now thats some advanced shit right there.
vague token
he was constructed to be the perfect AL player
empty grove
vague token
i mean you only construct someone once
smoky elk
unless famine is a skynet
coral wren
Hm, with hfcr tripple 381 can land all it's shots before rudder procs, right?
it should be like 17, 37, 57 etc
Can't really decide should i give monarch hoodgun or tripple 381... with hoodgun you can burst target before enemy juneau sinks and then you have little dmg with shelling. With 381 high chance of enemy juneau healing focused target. But shelling dmg will be much higher
ionic magnet
twin 381 is also less effective when monarch fails to proc her barrage which happens quite often
id pick triple 381 cos i dont want to rely on rng
there's like only 5 ppl wearing rudder anyways so its not a big deal
meager dawn
triple 410
ionic magnet
^or that if you have other BBs with HE gun
coral wren
By 5 ppl you mean amagi, nagato, niryuu, cent and formi?
coral wren
Well, for now the biggest problem in my opinion is namagiws, with jun/jin/yuki. But once again, i'm running 3 hms bbs setup+aurora. Shit is quite tricky
ionic magnet
if youre using warkai is the focus fire still not enough to reliably kill amagi/ws
meager dawn
slap hoodgun on the 3bbs and use sendai
coral wren
Sometimes you nuke enemy vg and it's just a beating. The other time you have to reset because your jesus wn't die and heal backliner who's been focused by enemy ws
meager dawn
I goddamn see my warkai miss both her divine marksman even tho I slapped double SG and STAAG on her 
ionic magnet
coral wren
hit chance doesn't affect amagi's 10% chance to evade anything
meager dawn
coral wren
That's what so oppressing about her
coral wren
if youre using warkai is the focus fire still not enough to reliably kill amagi/ws
It is, but quite often juneau heals them just when they are about to die
ionic magnet
ah then your second salvo overkills next round?
vague token
xD
ionic magnet
come jump to WFC
ionic magnet
so fun stomping namaryuus
meager dawn
Warspite Formi Centaur?
ionic magnet
yus
ionic magnet
cudas on both
meager dawn
Cuda albacore on formi?
ionic magnet
yea
coral wren
I mean, i have 0 problems against namaryuus. 3 hms bb curb stomp them and only torp critting for 70% of my vg hp can change that. But namagi ws gives you quite the headache sometimes
I'll record a vid today when i meet that setup once again
ionic magnet
well namagi ws are a much lesser threat then
vague token
namaryuu is still purely how many shells do i catch
meager dawn
I'm still spooked by namaryuus
coral wren
It should be, yeah. But for some reason it gives more troubles, perhaps it's the fact that there is jin that makes it different
blazing scroll
The only way for me to lose against namaryuu is to be really unlucky
coral wren
exactly