pvp

[sharp wing]

is there any main pressure?

[vague token]

dunno havent done it yet

i just looked at the icon

[sharp wing]

my wolf clearing 1 fleet even t6

1 fleet mob+boss

but she is still kinda low for SP

thinking to just slap on boss for extra points

if it's safe

not like those points matter

[vague token]

this emblem pushing up fleet power quite a bit xD

[sharp wing]

Oh, forgot about reset

[vague token]

i pushed to 0 for cay so i didnt have to worry about it xD

[sharp wing]

~~I'm having rather intense realm war ~~

[vague token]

owo, i got helena new year skin from box

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

her dress better

[vague token]

is it even in the pool?

xD

[sharp wing]

no

Dress is char dev

[vague token]

kek

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

still no phoenix skin

triggered

[sharp wing]

well, new artist...

idk if any1 will bother with phoe

Helena dress was already new artist

So contract probably ended

All skins were prinz and helena anyway

[cerulean estuary]

what event map has / u need ASW equips

[vague token]

story 3 has a boss sub

but it's story so you could just wait until the 55

sp has subs in it but not as the boss

[sharp wing]

special map after T2

it's 1 time

And SP boss has Elite sub spawn, but u can ignore her, though she will poke you

[cerulean estuary]

i havent finish th event but is the sp event similar to 1 per day with xxx bonus

[vague token]

yeah sp still 1/day

[vague token]

still no warspite fleets

X_x

[elder crane]

I only see shitty ones
or so I assume, since they can't even do more than 1/4 of Hiryuu HP with WS barrage

[ionic magnet]

any chance kiro will move? i wont waste it like cay

@vague token

[vague token]

ok

please hold

time to get 8 matches of no one with warspite

xD

am i on some meme server

;)

[ionic magnet]

we're too high on ranks i guess
aka meme bracket

[vague token]

probably

the only people pushing would be casual rushers

so ill only get casual rushers xD

[ionic magnet]

yea

[vague token]

full idol (4 kizuna, sandy/sara) fleet

[ionic magnet]

i see some namagis but always missing jun or ykkz

[vague token]

someone with 115 warspite kai

2.4k crits on formidable

thicc armor

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

even if she was 120 it wouldnt be a ton more

probably 2.8?

almost done

ijn with sanrui/juneau/ykk

[still minnow]

I found a bunch of warkai but they were all lvl 115 and below

so no biggie

[cerulean estuary]

i dont feel like putting WS kai as of now

i fell inlove with essex and lemons

[still minnow]

what is lemons

[vague token]

vanguard drove straight into two sets of shelling

guess i die

xD

restart button away!

[river crest]

standard food for my KFC

[vague token]

@ionic magnet done, 8 matches used

oh im rank 1

lel

rusher life

[sharp wing]

dw, i have to rush before sleep too

[vague token]

to 0?

[sharp wing]

why

to 5

[vague token]

oh, i rushed to 0 cause hooloo asked

xD

[sharp wing]

just on the beginning of reset

[vague token]

since ive been getting like 1 bonus per reset i might as well donate points

[sharp wing]

U hold the keys to EoS

The Shadow Broker

[vague token]

too bad cay wasted them all ;)

[sharp wing]

Oh, sp boss spawned, time to see chaser in action

[vague token]

i swapped in to full asw and barely made it through boss on auto

xD

[sharp wing]

less than half hp after 1st chaser sonar

[vague token]

i had overkill

avrora boosted depth charge

from ardent + helicopter buff

[sharp wing]

well, it's not needed

just kill boss

[vague token]

yeah im just gonna leave chaser in

[sharp wing]

i think i'll drop chaser

[vague token]

boss is pretty weak

free exp

if qe can solo the boss

it's a weak as hell boss

[sharp wing]

i'm finishing 200 dork and taihoe

they like both 80k

heh, found 1 namaHyuuga

relic of the old era

[vague token]

personally, i saw more bb kaga than hyuuga

[sharp wing]

i used baka

She goes nuts

mostly to rekt those Hyuugas heavy armor

[elder crane]

She's just super RNG
Demolishes opposite if she procs, otherwise bleh
Another coin-flipper

[sharp wing]

She develops yr gambling addiction in no time

[vague token]

i swear her barrage is more rng than nagato

xD

[sharp wing]

There is one flaw in it tho

That whole setup will sink by 1 fickle ryuu or foxes

Cause IJN Big AA guns

[vague token]

oh, sora has 7 total planes

weird

[elder crane]

It did well enough before ryuu ret
~70% or so winrate?

[sharp wing]

why 7

3/2/3

oh sora

[vague token]

oh wait

there's another mismatch

[sharp wing]

i thought about wolf

[vague token]

sora in game has +1 dive, +1 torp, +1 all

wiki has +1 dive, +1 dive, +1 all

xD

[elder crane]

That's still 8

[sharp wing]

lel

still 2/4/2

[vague token]

isnt that 2/3/2?

[sharp wing]

math is hard

[vague token]

oh wait all

[elder crane]

EN wiki is wrong it seems

CN says TB+1

[vague token]

is it though?

oh xD

[sharp wing]

t can't be +2 db

[elder crane]

Well
Could be skk/cent-esque

[sharp wing]

i dun have any SR yet...

[vague token]

this entire event is

i wonder what they're going to do about the gear

there will be a fuss if they nerf it

xD

[sharp wing]

they need to

[vague token]

not really

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

just buff up cn ones

to appease

[sharp wing]

no

CN doesn't even care/know bout this

[vague token]

lul

[sharp wing]

why would they do it

[vague token]

to be fair, en super complained about sirius

so

they could do it again

[sharp wing]

that's diff matter

and they simply made rerun event

[still minnow]

...?

what's the issue with sirius

[sharp wing]

She is rerun ship

[vague token]

it was first run of event

but they teased sirius

and then when patch notes came

she wasnt there

cue big fuss

(also her icon was the event icon xD)

[sharp wing]

that was the leak

so it was up for only barely and hr or so

But it's better this way

The sooner we get WC archive, the sooner we get L2D

big brain

[still minnow]

so sirius event is still going to rerun

[sharp wing]

no

[vague token]

doubt it

[sharp wing]

it's going to have archive

and perma build

same as FW

[still minnow]

I didn't know we had FW in perma build :p

[sharp wing]

we had rerun

we will get perma w/ archive

[still minnow]

are they going to slowly add the events to archive or are they going to add a whole bunch at once to update to the most up to date server/>

[sharp wing]

slowly ofc

they add ships to perma and remove some map drop ships

also they sometimes add only OG ships 1st and rerun later

Like JP only got nanoda perma w/ EN

tho VDiR was archived there long ago

EN just got all botes at once

And mogami w/ sister are still not added

[vague token]

still no retro for her sister

reee

[sharp wing]

on any server

well, double mogamin would be op

IJN CA meta, lul

[vague token]

sounds fun to me

xD

[sharp wing]

well, for pve

[vague token]

taco

triple mogami class

[sharp wing]

magmin has double MG + preload torps

[vague token]

apparently suzuya is "mogami" but she starts as a CA

xD

[sharp wing]

But she use CL guns

[vague token]

it says CA/CL on wiki

[sharp wing]

ye

[vague token]

big thonk

[sharp wing]

she can use both from start

but one MG

[vague token]

oh she doesnt have retro stats

[sharp wing]

I used Mikuma w/ single 150 for barrage spam anyway

she is trash in gun damage anyway

or torp

[vague token]

is she a barrage spam boat

[sharp wing]

no, but that's only way she can work somewhat

[vague token]

cause her skills make her look like a pure spam type

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

if the wiki wording is anything to go by

it only cares about hits

[sharp wing]

you mean Suzu?

[vague token]

yeah

so you want raw volume

[sharp wing]

well, ye

[vague token]

which also leads to barrage pattern boost

xD

[sharp wing]

I mean i dragged mikuma as barrage spammer

[vague token]

ah

[sharp wing]

cause she is like useless in all aspects

[vague token]

well yeah

she has CA stats

xD

[sharp wing]

well, CL w/ CA rigging

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

her eva only gets decent at 120, at 100 she has 36 eva, lul

before she's close to 120 she is 🚮

And she has no offense and aa at any lvl

[still minnow]

I can't even tell what ship you're talking about anymore

[vague token]

mikuma

mogami's sister

who has no retro

_>

[still minnow]

ok I was like 80% sure it was suzuya

[sharp wing]

Kiro talked about Suzu

[vague token]

no, suzuya's base stats are much higher than base mogami/mikuma

and should kinda work

still needs her own retro to get mgm+1

[still minnow]

I find it super weird how some sisters, one gets retro and the other never does

and some other sisters both get retro immediately

[vague token]

well, that wouldnt be a big deal

but the mogami class originally was basically designed bad

[still minnow]

ie mahans vs. lex/sara

[vague token]

pre-retro mogami has CA stats in a CL label

aka 36 evasion at 100

xD

[sharp wing]

ca rigging w/ cl stats

[vague token]

na, she has a statline like indy

[sharp wing]

ca def stats and cl off stats

and they have like no torps

[vague token]

actually she had indy's stats but 700 less hp lol

[still minnow]

sounds like garbage 8D

[vague token]

yeah

[sharp wing]

Her retro adds everywhere where it's needed

[vague token]

i think for us mogami launched with retro right?

[sharp wing]

aa, torp, hp

[vague token]

but on cn i think she didnt

[sharp wing]

mg, fp

[still minnow]

if you've got a ship that's otherwise solid but has shit torps would you rather lose the torps and gain mgm +1 or have the torps upgraded to be average?

[vague token]

well, her torps are fine for a MGM+1 CA

she does have 160 efficiency

[sharp wing]

after kai ye

pre kai they have like sub 190

well, it only adds like 15 torp

[vague token]

but the the most valuable parts of her retro are 600 hp and mgm+1

600

i think that's one of the largest hp boosts in the game

[sharp wing]

and like 50 aa

[vague token]

and the retro skill works really well with her design

[sharp wing]

and over 60 fp w/ 15% eff

[vague token]

feels bad for cn though, imagine getting her on release

and no retro

xD

[sharp wing]

well

[vague token]

straight to the garbage bin

[sharp wing]

they got kai same time

[vague token]

oh ok

that's pretty messed up then

it's basically resource tax to get a usable ship lol

[sharp wing]

on rerun

to get op ship

[vague token]

instead of just making her baseline

[sharp wing]

fair

[vague token]

i mean she's not even op

just good

[sharp wing]

I'll take of trash ships like that

she's is very good

an offensive portkai

[still minnow]

I'd rather they do resource tax on retros as balance fix instead of just leaving the shit ship be shit

[vague token]

no i mean the retro should have been built in

[still minnow]

without the resource tax they would have no incentive to go back and rebalance the ship with new skills etc

[vague token]

that isnt what im talking about

her kai released with her launch

[still minnow]

wasn't CN the original server?

[vague token]

which means they COULD have just built the stats in

instead of giving you a bad ship and making you pay extra during the event to make them great

like that's a evil akashi thing to do

[still minnow]

I thought she didn't get her kai until re-run tho

[sharp wing]

she is rerun ship

lol

[vague token]

she was launched on rerun

[still minnow]

o

[vague token]

with her kai

[still minnow]

thats awkward

[vague token]

xD

i think she's the only one who did that

[sharp wing]

what

[vague token]

in original server?

[sharp wing]

what

[still minnow]

what

[vague token]

wait, did she release with her kai on CN or not

[sharp wing]

yes

[vague token]

isnt that like one of the only ones?

[sharp wing]

not really

[vague token]

who else launched and got kai at same time owo

[sharp wing]

acasta ardent

[vague token]

oh lul xD

[sharp wing]

what else was there

event retro ships

[vague token]

naka retro when

reee

[sharp wing]

best fox Naka

gib retro or she will shove that torp

[vague token]

"here's another flare to troll you"

xD

"except this one aims at the rear vanguard"

big brain design

[sharp wing]

owo gem comm

[hoary pasture]

is warkai capable of beating fdg?

[sharp wing]

w/ DR gun

[hoary pasture]

I know pr2 isnt out in EN yet but for those of you who've played with the pr2 ships in CN/JP, am wondering how this tends to play out

[sharp wing]

on offense

[hoary pasture]

DR gun on offense?

[sharp wing]

warkai on offense w/ DR gun

[hoary pasture]

what is DR gun?

[sharp wing]

a rainbow gun

frm PR2

georgia gun

[hoary pasture]

twin 457 mark A?

[sharp wing]

yes

there no other rainbow guns

And it needs 50 bps to craft

[hoary pasture]

shit that is a fast gun

[sharp wing]

That is The Gun

and rainbow FP boost

[hoary pasture]

THE gun? like it's BiS on every gunboat?

[sharp wing]

well, on ws for main sniping

AP guns have regular drawbacks

but this thing still hits hard

[hoary pasture]

is Gascogne useless in pvp cause of no manual aim?

[sharp wing]

well, ye

and only 2 mg

basically, she has only 1 MG at all

and skill just adds 1 more shot

[hoary pasture]

last thing i have to ask about the PR2 ships is how strong is Georgia... ive had some people tell me shes potentially the strongest pr2 ship due to the insane amount of dmg she dishes out

[sharp wing]

On manual...

[hoary pasture]

o....

[sharp wing]

Also that's big exaggeration

It's kinda like JB

[vague token]

georgia barrage hits like a truck because it's kinda like SHS

destroyer of medium armor with crazy base damage

outside of that she has less total main gun damage than any other bb

cause only mgm+1

and she isnt as tanky as a fdg

if her barrage could consistently aim backline or hit azuma she could see use

just could though, no eagle buff hurts a lot

[sharp wing]

Well, on manual even those 2 MG hurt

180% eff and +40% damage

[vague token]

also bonus vs big ships

[sharp wing]

Azuma can bounce shells

killing w/ softness

[vague token]

like with the spread reduction it's clear georgia is designed to be a bb dueler

but since she doesnt have a way to force her mgm to aim at bbs it doesnt work out in pvp

if she had a mark like wskai she could work in pvp probably

cause then you'd just dump barrage on them

xD

big deeps

[ionic magnet]

rank1

ty kiro

[vague token]

still?

[ionic magnet]

yea

[vague token]

man even the rushers are casual today

[ionic magnet]

i fought just now

[vague token]

xD

[sharp wing]

The power of Memes

[ionic magnet]

[sharp wing]

The power of Dreams

[shy hazel]

who the fk is kiroshima1

kiro is kiroshima only

[ionic magnet]

[sharp wing]

kiro is kiro

[vague token]

[ionic magnet]

hes always been kiroshima1

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

kiroshima is always taken

but they're never active

[shy hazel]

kiro is higher level than me

unbelievable

[sharp wing]

adding 1 like a pleb smh

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

kiroshima666

go renme

[sharp wing]

69

[shy hazel]

so u be edgy

[vague token]

lul

not gonna waste gems on name change

[shy hazel]

do it or die

[sharp wing]

use l33t

[vague token]

never

you know i got 0 minus points when i did that push too

the last one i was like rank 6 and got rank 4

xD

rng power

what a waste

[sharp wing]

Was he a memer too?

[vague token]

dont remember

im pretty sure he had a whatever 2 ship fleet

[sharp wing]

memer tolerance

[vague token]

out of the 8 battles i did only 1 had warspite

at 115

xD

[sharp wing]

well, ws on def is meh

[vague token]

oh i see syanda in there

rank 7 with his kms meme

xD

[sharp wing]

[sharp wing]

Dat troll, when nanoda rams some1 and gets 1s

[blazing scroll]

Using freedom fleet in pvp (2019 colorized)

[coral wren]

They all got murdered by cancer, right? :^)

[blazing scroll]

[still minnow]

how long until it's possible to get sirius ?

couple months? half a year? a year?

[jovial mural]

N e v e r

[ionic magnet]

we still have CE rerun and possibly FW rerun

so yea

who knows if they will make another useless collab inbetween too

[midnight heron]

tfw u enemy warspite doesnt hav acc gear and miss both marksman shots

[blazing scroll]

I see that the time has come to make ourselves known @vague token
https://twitter.com/AzurLane_EN/status/1200325435927625729

Azur Lane Official (@AzurLane_EN)

Dear Commanders,

We are proud to announce our new contest - The Azur Lane Official Meme Competition!

Join our official Discord server for more details: https://t.co/pAbn7NTZz9

#AzurLane #Yostar

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[coral wren]

oh no

[midnight heron]

can i submit already made memes

[hot creek]

folks are gonna be crying about stolen memes.

[jovial mural]

Seriously, what is sandiegos droprate compared to yukikaze

Fuck that shit

[blazing scroll]

[jovial mural]

Dios mios

[timber adder]

Hmmm, I have a plan for changing sandy to Helena

I don't know if that's legit or not

[blazing scroll]

Helena is a waste on foxes

Her skill proccs after the foxes used their airstrike

[timber adder]

[blazing scroll]

[timber adder]

Also my kaga were using Pirates

[jovial mural]

I lack print so much, i dont know if it is a good idea to rush them in the event shop

I mean I dont think I can get all blueprint + the other things in the shop

[midnight heron]

need like 35k to get event exclusive stuff + bp + cat box

[blazing scroll]

Facing KGV, Monarch, Warspite is pretty weird

One of my backliners dies but the rest is full hp

[ionic magnet]

same with namagi + ws

namaryuu is still way better at def

[blazing scroll]

At least I know I can still use my freedom comp

[upper sparrow]

@blazing scroll whats ur freedom comp m8

[blazing scroll]

Amagi, Essex, Enterprise + Juneau, Sandy, SanRui

[forest lake]

Amagi

[blazing scroll]

Sometimes you have to accept that the fact that there are no strong solo USS bbs

[forest lake]

Just use another USS CV and swap SanRui for Balti

[sharp wing]

WC archive on JP in June, rerun was on New year, so around half year for archive and Sirius perma...

EN apparently already out of schedule

But we got rerun from the start, so expected

and OG WC run was in February/March 2k18

[elder crane]

Compared to JP, we've had a lot of stuff rearranged in time
DC rerun for example, we got 3 months later than what it would've been had we strictly followed JP schedule

[sharp wing]

ofc

not even talking about lvl caps and subs and other crap

On the other hand, i'm happy we are not killed by rush, like KR

This triple anniversary activities also fucc schedules hard

[vague token]

big oof

[sharp wing]

KR

KR had even PR2 launched around same time as CN, as well as all new ships

Well, that rush often happens on KR publishers and game dies pretty much

[elder crane]

I sweaaaaaar
Lists were nonstop namagi/HMS up until today, then suddenly none
Right as I want to test LFC too smh

[sharp wing]

Didn't LFC not work without Azuma

I talked to Laughy or some1, who also plays EN and JP, and he said he tried it on jp, and it was meh even w/ azuma, tho we saw how it works on videos

[elder crane]

Yeah but I want to try it regardless

Also want to try namagi ws without azuma or 457, but that'll need to wait on my Ibuki a bit

So might as well do this in the meantime

[vague token]

izumo gun still works ok

[sharp wing]

it works as expected

Amagi still RNG barrage

yeah, KR is grave for games

[vague token]

imagine using amagi for damage when you can use rudder armor on her and just wait for warspite to kill everyone

[sharp wing]

One of games I'm playing, KR version was banned on google

So that happens too

You cannot wait...

cause after 1st barrage she doesn't hit much

[vague token]

i mean she still has 600 fp shelling

[sharp wing]

that's just dumb u know...

and i don't care for def really

I still have meme def all season

[vague token]

my def meme will take at least a month since gotta level sora

xD

[hot creek]

of course you dont, you casual

Rudder armor amagi new meta

[sharp wing]

ppl who main Al are ultimate casuals tbh

[vague token]

i might go back and try kgv once nepnod is 120

for ultimate pewpew

[sharp wing]

poopoo

[vague token]

but formidable is my preferred solo cv

[sharp wing]

I will go back to taihoe probably

after done lvling

[hot creek]

Assuming I "main" azur lane. gud meem

[vague token]

hopefully we get a casual formidable skin

like victorious

[sharp wing]

more like swimsuit

but L2D

[vague token]

so sirius then?

[sharp wing]

kinda

[elder crane]

Have y'all noticed the super kludge fix to the clearing mode bug yet?
CV siren still moves in clearing mode, so they fixed by making CV siren immobile (doesn't move in normal mode either now XD)

🍝

[vague token]

lel spaghet

[elder crane]

I noticed it didn't move in SP either

[sharp wing]

idk i run to all sirens

[vague token]

i keep checking every update to see if stats are fixed

[elder crane]

Which doesn't have clearing mode obvs

[vague token]

xD

and then i see nope bear still has 500 hp

[sharp wing]

[empty grove]

[sharp wing]

that's true to most games

[hot creek]

What I find funny is someone who hang out in pvp chat all day yet cry about anyone who takes pvp seriously

[sharp wing]

Art
game

[blazing scroll]

I lost one attack because I didn't click continue for 5 min

[vague token]

kek

[sharp wing]

selfstalling

[vague token]

im basically rusher this season

donating bonus

collusion fun time

[sly smelt]

i thought the attack counted as soon at the battle ended?

[sharp wing]

He had 1 left before reset prob

[sly smelt]

[blazing scroll]

I blame 🍝 code

[sharp wing]

So that was yr last tick?

[blazing scroll]

Yea

[sharp wing]

weird

[blazing scroll]

I'm at 9/10 now

[sharp wing]

well, u lose tickets if game freezes/crashes during battle too

so

[blazing scroll]

I started my match at 19:55

[sharp wing]

[blazing scroll]

And just left it on

[elder crane]

Relogging still gives 9/10?

[blazing scroll]

Haven't tried

[elder crane]

Try that

[hot creek]

Gotta exit the battle after a win to redeem charge. Yet when you lose, the game happily deduct a charge from you as soon as you lose the battle.

[elder crane]

Might just be a client desync

Well, better than the other way around, maybe?

[sharp wing]

[blazing scroll]

If it was normal pvp you'd deduct the ticket at the start

[sharp wing]

free resets pepega

[vague token]

kek

[blazing scroll]

They should apply that to RL too

Buy a ticket and turn it at the end

When you don't enjoy it, just leave

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

AL gvg when

[sharp wing]

they should make resets cost 1 point

[blazing scroll]

Imagine all the people that would start crying

[sharp wing]

If ppl never played actual pvp

[vague token]

kek

[elder crane]

I doubt the casuals would even notice tbh

[sharp wing]

usually extra tickets cost premium currency

[elder crane]

Even if they did, they'd forget in like 1H

[blazing scroll]

It's a cheap trade off

[elder crane]

-1 pt is pretty w.e for ppl not-us

[sharp wing]

u can yeet -1s and get gensui

[blazing scroll]

It would make the top more competitive

[sharp wing]

It would make def and yr fleet matter

like in real pvp

[blazing scroll]

What's that, real pvp

[sharp wing]

When u go out and punch someone

[blazing scroll]

Can you eat it?

[elder crane]

I'd allow "nonranked" then for testing

[vague token]

friend vs friend when

[sharp wing]

what is friend

[vague token]

and within guild

[elder crane]

Would be great, none of this stilly resetting 99999 times to do testing

[blazing scroll]

[elder crane]

"oops, finger slipped, guess I won/lost"

[vague token]

personally i find it strange that AL has a useless friend system

when all the gachas have then give a bit of stuff

[sharp wing]

aside from secretary, you set up yr fleet for friend battles

[elder crane]

You can dm friends

But only if they online

[sharp wing]

dm for l00ds

[blazing scroll]

The chat system is 🚮 anyway

[vague token]

xD

[elder crane]

And logs deleted if you relog

[sharp wing]

no even offline chat

[vague token]

al chat is only for nepnod and memes

[elder crane]

Guild chat allows offline

[sharp wing]

nepnods are only for blacklist

[elder crane]

That saves chat up to X messages

[blazing scroll]

[sharp wing]

what is guild

[vague token]

200 gems

xD

[blazing scroll]

[sharp wing]

noty

[elder crane]

(idk the exacr number)

Guild = extended friendlist/private chatroom

[sharp wing]

chatroom for l00ds?

[elder crane]

For meeeemz

[blazing scroll]

Imagine being in a guild solely to see your pull history

[sharp wing]

exchange secret codes?

[elder crane]

For nuclear launch codes

[sharp wing]

I meant other codes

[blazing scroll]

[hot creek]

Whenever I hear talk about not allowing resets/punishing resets. I just hear "Lets introduce more RNG in this already RNG game mode, that will certainly help our problems!". Cause thats all it is lol

[vague token]

well, i want no resets but also no rng barrages

and just reduce their base damage

[sharp wing]

lol, funny

[blazing scroll]

I want an USS flagship but I don't see that happening anytime soon

[sharp wing]

I thought some1 would want real challenge?

Guess not

[vague token]

eg nagato barrage is 100%, but power reduced by the amount of chance increase

[blazing scroll]

100% lucky E

[sharp wing]

[hot creek]

Sure, and then you realize none of your off meta fleets have a chance of winning anymore once RNG is normalized and you have no resets either.

[sharp wing]

Yeap

[blazing scroll]

Guess I'll die

[sharp wing]

Cause it's pvp, not meme club

[blazing scroll]

[sharp wing]

Like you never play pvp in other games?

[elder crane]

Well
PvP pretty much always has some rng

[sharp wing]

I mean, atm it's not "PVP"

[elder crane]

Otherwise, what's the point

[hot creek]

Yeah well good pvp is supposed to have a diverse range of viable fighters/team/comp/whatever they can use.

[sharp wing]

idk what you are about, lol

That's game balance issue

[elder crane]

PvP, competitive, w.e

[sharp wing]

But this is not "pvp"

All you saying AL has broken ships

like any gmae

[elder crane]

Technically it is
It's teambuilding vs teambuilding PvP
Async and Asymm, but still

[hot creek]

and right now, with its current system we have off meta teams that are still viable to compete even against the most op meta teams.

so getting rid of resets is just shite

[sharp wing]

LMAO

are for real?

[elder crane]

Small penalty is fine though

[sharp wing]

I can't even take you seriously now, lol

[elder crane]

Getting rid of RNG isn't since it's just teambuilding vs teambuilding without player battle control

[sharp wing]

U want to compete in pvp, but u want free 100% safe wins, it's hilarious

[hot creek]

Your fatal flaw is thinking that the battles are the actual "pvp" part.

[sharp wing]

Cause it should be

yr flaw thinking the main pvp part is clock wars

[blazing scroll]

Phoenix wants to enjoy his time zone advantage

[hot creek]

You said it yourself, this isn't really pvp and with how devs treat it as a side mode it wont ever be.

[blazing scroll]

[sharp wing]

Well, you agreed yrself this isn't pvp, cause pvp has not 100% safe wins

[elder crane]

I agree that it would be more interesting if it was a bit more punishing, but no need to make it that black and white
RNG inbattle is needed to allow diversity

Well.... technically no
You can have async PvP be 100%

[jovial mural]

People: we want more musics in AL. AL:

[sharp wing]

Assuming ppl play unmuted

[jovial mural]

Imagine having only one song in Your whole game

[elder crane]

Inb4 we find it plays for opponent too
Inbattle music now just Hololive

That equip actually shuffles songs

[sharp wing]

[hot creek]

Yeah, the battles aren't exactly the pvp itself but you can still "compete" with an off meta fleet, which is nice for people who want to use other fleets or their favorites. Getting rid of that option makes the "pvp" even more shit than it already is. It's not like getting rid of resets is going to make things more fair or fun in the first place either, which is why I find it funny when people want that.

it's like when devs introduced random "tripping" in super smash bros brawl

[sharp wing]

U just like taking wins with no risk, and that's frankly disappointing

But if even top pvp players on servers fine with it, rip pvp

just a joke

[hot creek]

If I just liked taking wins with no risk I'd play Namagi meta shit all day, like you.

[elder crane]

Frankly, you don't even really need anything other than participation rewards if the gamemode is fun enough
See EX, not even participation reward for that

[sharp wing]

And i don't play meta

lol

Last person to use meta

[blazing scroll]

Fleet power is the real pvp

[elder crane]

There is no need to reward actual performance
And for a fairly separate gamemode, it's nice to allow ppl to not play it without losing much

[sharp wing]

Unlike you

[elder crane]

Yo wtf let's keep argument to PvP mechanics

[vague token]

the best way to reward more fleet types would be to make pvp on the map and have production ships in the battles too

so you would have to balance resource of your own ships (elites) with productions

[hot creek]

Bruh. Have you completely ignored the fact that I'm and HMS fanactic and use them all the time lol?

[vague token]

and you could use more ships that are rewarded for longer fights by choosing when your ships spawn

[sharp wing]

And?

[elder crane]

Geez, calm down

[sharp wing]

You sue second best fleet after cancer?

gj

I respect kiro and fearless more

[elder crane]

We're allowed to go without mods here and I like to keep it that way

Don't force them to come over

[sharp wing]

yeah, ok

[elder crane]

Take it outside (pms) if you must

Sheesh

[hot creek]

As far as the title "memers" go, sure give them "respect" . But guess what, if you take away resets, they're done for. Which is what this whole point argument was started on in the first place.

[vague token]

i mean, in mobas having 55+ win rate is basically op

[sharp wing]

Cause it would be "PVP"

[vague token]

xD

[elder crane]

Tbh I like it this general way
More inclusive
If you want to be serious, you can be as serious as you want

[blazing scroll]

I let you know that I barely use resets with my "memes"

[sharp wing]

And that was not the point

[blazing scroll]

Thank you very much

[sharp wing]

You still don't get it, lol

Tbh many ppl dun care for pvp for that reason too

I was also disappointed after i found out it was a thing, cause 1st month i didn't even imagine it was actually a thing

[vague token]

i didnt know until i joined this discord

[sharp wing]

well, about it

[vague token]

back when everyone was in help

xD

[sharp wing]

xD

[vague token]

chaotic times over there

[sharp wing]

It was just like "WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?!"

[vague token]

same, since i play a lot of actual pvp in other games xD

[sharp wing]

yeah...

🚮

Ok, lets farm merits...

[vague token]

it's basically the stages of grief for al

denial

[sharp wing]

xD

[vague token]

pain and guilt

anger/bargaining

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

depression

then you just accept it's a merit farm

[sharp wing]

pretty much

[vague token]

jk im always on the bargaining step

[hot creek]

My point is that the current system is fine as it is with what the amount of effort the devs are willing to put in it. Getting to use a diverse range of fleets while climbing ladder is nice. Obviously, if devs were willing to put effort into proper balancing and a complete mechanics rehaul, I'd totally support that. But just getting rid of resets and just that is not going to make things more fun or fair.

[vague token]

there's a lot of ways they could make it more engaging ;))))

[sharp wing]

Then ppl look at merit shop and quit it after sodako and eldie

[vague token]

i mean, technically it makes it more fair

technically

but yeah less fun for casuals

if they actually bother to reset

[hot creek]

it just makes things more RNG. Even if everyone uses the same exact meta fleet, nothing changes except for the fact its less fun.

[vague token]

i mean, if everyone is mirror it is fair

eg the win rate should be steady

over time

[sharp wing]

The fun is actually in that exact thing

[vague token]

that's ultra unfun like you said

[sharp wing]

with free wins there no fun

no motivation

no point

even losing can be fun

makes you struggle

[vague token]

losing is only fun if im learning

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

gotta download the opponent

[sharp wing]

ladder isr eal fun

[hot creek]

If you enjoy RNG to that extent, are you really a pvp'er?

[sharp wing]

exchanging ranks for few weeks with one of yr opponents

[vague token]

i mean, all pvp games have a a degree of rng

[sharp wing]

like a brofight

[vague token]

it isnt as bad as AL of course

but even fighting games have rng

[sharp wing]

pvp is rng

[vague token]

no

[hot creek]

Yeah and introding more RNG doesn't make things more competitive.

[vague token]

most games pvp is skill

with rng elements to shake things up

[sharp wing]

autoskill

[vague token]

you can have healthy rng

because healthy rng can be handled by skill

eg adaptability

[sharp wing]

Just take, you cannot take RNG and losing

Don't blame you

[hot creek]

Ok now we are getting into "A skilled roy can beat any fox" argument.

[vague token]

i was talking more like crit rates in mobas and stuff

or maps in rts

[sharp wing]

crit, miss

[vague token]

or stage select in fighting games

where the stage has interactables

[sharp wing]

0.1 sec earlier konckback

cause you missed and didn't get morale for that hit

so didn't proc before opponent

and yr match is over

[vague token]

of course those are games where matches exceed 1 minute all the time

so rng normalizes

to player skill

unlike in al where eating 1 shell into nagato barrage = you die

xD

[sharp wing]

well, there plenty games where it's similar to nagato

aka morale/other value grab rush

1st to skill/ult wins

now u need to make them do it

and u work on that

maybe putting dps armor on yr melee can sound crazy, but it will actually work out, cause it will skill faster and you actually win, despite not having actual tank

such things

Then u face another opponent with same strsategy and you forced to revert to tank tactics

[vague token]

armor azuma

[sharp wing]

and then it boilds down who use tickets there more efficient

But in most ladder pvps you usually take yr ladder spot for weeks

can exchange few positions with some guy daily

yr def actually stall ppl

[hot creek]

This just loops back into my original argument. Obviously some small degree of RNG is fine and inherent, like crits miss whatever. But with AL in its current state? Getting rid of resets is not going to make it more fun.

[vague token]

in those your def doesnt have 20% damage penalty xD

yeah, i think we can all agree removing resets would make it less fun

[sharp wing]

it would, and make ladder diverse even

having 20% damage reduction is already hilarious

[hot creek]

Except all your arguing for a "real competitive" pvp mode goes down the drain when you support getting rid of resets in its current state,

[sharp wing]

what?

[hot creek]

Take a moment to think about it, its not difficult.

[vague token]

hey now, i may be a meme, but ive always had attachments to my remove resets statements

[sharp wing]

You didn't get it from the start, so i won't bother

[vague token]

like reworking skill activations

[sharp wing]

AL's current state doesn't matter

[vague token]

mirrored map positioning

a target acquisition stat for aimed attacks

CAs get +15% damage not CLs ;)

[sharp wing]

lol

But CA's already have Big Guns

[vague token]

cause they totally hit with those

[sharp wing]

That, well, hit nothing

[vague token]

xD

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

angle increase for CA guns plz ty

[sharp wing]

180

I like BBs shelling backwards

[vague token]

that's because they're checking minimum range from your side

because spaghet

[sharp wing]

xD

[vague token]

so defense shelling can always target anywhere on the field

[sharp wing]

love that nanoda run behind and waste their shells

[vague token]

because spaghetti

[sharp wing]

Well, my main also shell close quarters

[vague token]

ive never had them shoot when enemy main is dead

but if my main is dead they will definitely try to shell me

[sharp wing]

solo nanoda sometime a thing

Nanoda w/ new boiler is

[vague token]

i put it on nepnod

[sharp wing]

well, nanoda looks more important

that % HP increase w/ her skill

relative to what nep gets

[vague token]

ill probably go back to ykk once i max sora

[sharp wing]

or other vg

[vague token]

since ill need someone to finish off people who are burning/flooding

[sharp wing]

I actually had mona deleted by Amagi

[hot creek]

AL current state is that the dedicated folks who can game the bonus system (despite this part already being RNG) can consistently get top ranks, which is perfectly fine given the amount of effort devs bother to put in it. Getting rid of resets doesn't help anything while making things less fun. In the end, AL pvp is just an unrewarding side mode us folks do for fun. Getting rid of resets in the current state does not make pvp any more competitive like you claim you want pvp to be. At this point all it does is to make things less fun. There, get it now?

[sharp wing]

like 1st salvo

That's yr perspective

Many ppl don't agree with that

[vague token]

i mean, i agree with it xD

[sharp wing]

That's you don't get it

[vague token]

but i play meme characters in other pvp games so

[sharp wing]

Meme spirit

[hot creek]

If you just admit that you want RNG and enjoy RNG then sure, I get you. But you want things to be more competitive and in true pvp spirit, then that is just a serious contradiction.

[vague token]

if im gonna win, it has to be my way

[sharp wing]

lol

[vague token]

winning by picking the best/strongest thing is no fun

xD

[sharp wing]

If u say so

Go play RNG free pvp, lmao

Oh, i forgot, u need pvp with 100% winrate.. Hmmm

Sorry, i dunno that

[vague token]

im pretty sure the only rng free pvp is starcraft in modern times

it's literally pure skill

[sharp wing]

that's another lvl of pvp

[vague token]

both macro and micro skill

[sharp wing]

that's for real men

That's what u get hard on on

[vague token]

sorry i like having some rng in my games so you arent just memorizing a plan to execute

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

this is why i like rts with randomized map generation

[sharp wing]

fixed map u just work strategy and it gets boring after few wins

100% win pvp

[hot creek]

Yeah, go play a fighting game, winrate based on skill which would be nice. But this is AL. And like I said the current system is fine for what it is, more RNG not fun.

[sharp wing]

well, whales in ladder have that 100% win

[vague token]

i mean fighting games have rng too ;)

[sharp wing]

lmao

[hot creek]

Not nearly to the degree of AL

[sharp wing]

we talk gacha pvp

[vague token]

oh yeah for sure

[sharp wing]

idk what u keep coming at

[hot creek]

are you really trying to make that arguement

it still comes back to skill in those fighting games depsite the slight RNG mechanics, which isn't what AL is currently and adding more RNG doesnt make this more competitive

[vague token]

well yeah, al doesnt reward macro-level skill

and it doesnt have micro-level skill

so it's basically just use best comp and suffer rng

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

even FEH has both levels of skill

which is kinda hilarious

but FEH has so much power creep and grind it isnt even funny

xD

[sharp wing]

like many gachas powercreep

they have about Al lvl meta

and still have real pvp

[vague token]

cant wait to see yamato

well

in FEH units have harder counters

eg REALLY strong against one thing but REALLY weak to other things

[sharp wing]

Feh has some powercreep systems

skill fusion etc. that's fuccing way to break game

[vague token]

yeah but that just makes them stronger at what they're strong at

it doesnt stop them from being deleted by their weakness

[sharp wing]

strong specialized units

[vague token]

yeah

but that's also because FEH comes from a rock paper scissors source material

while AL is just

DO MORE DAMAGE

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

TRY NOT TO DIE

so it's obvious that the ships that focus on those the most

are going to be the strongest

[sharp wing]

well

[vague token]

there's no "weakness" or "strong point"

[sharp wing]

metas exist for a reason

[vague token]

only DPS and EHP

[sharp wing]

they wouldn't be called meta

[vague token]

metas often have hard counters though, not soft ones

[hot creek]

I used to play FEH hardcore for a year and a half, reach t21 in Aether Raids. Pretty decent competitive gameplay at high levels but yeah the rate of powercreep just went super far in the past couple months. I went back to being casual, not worth the effort.

[sharp wing]

sometimes there even no meta, just lvl of whaling

[vague token]

i dropped that game after a month, i follow some people who post the new stuff xD

and im just like wow that does a lot of things

more skills than amagi

lel

[hot creek]

lmao

so true

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

aka here's a gun that is all of amagi's skills

[sharp wing]

5 units in 1