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my highest is at lv16 or so
oof
ofc this is not so detailed as to eval specialization
thats lower than expected

Known to me:
Officer Iron Blood
Engineer Battleship
Artillery Main
Lookout Main
Officer Battleship
Loading Battleship
Officer Cruiser
Loading Cruiser
Mountain's Tenacity
Flame's Aggression
Soulful Warrior
though CN wiki says there's another effect I'm not considering
that is, that no one has ever seen a cat start with 3 1-pointer skills
not sure if it's significant though
imagine a cat with 3 rainbow skills
I swear every single Oscar I've seen has a 1-pointer starting skill
not surprising given her pool is small and she has 3 of them in the pool
Meanwhile Pound has 0 
When your Royal officer lv2 / BB officer/ BB HP is a 98th percentile setup 
my 50th percentile Oscar is better, lol
yea my pound is terrible also
3rd skill is +asw to main fleet

oh how about this
lol
let's hope I'm not right that it isn't updated until reset
hooooly shit that one
the only other 1-pointers on Bish are Ace pilot and (ewww) Destiny
for a specialized CV cat idk if Destiny is even any better than, say, Aviation Officer
what does destiny do?
oh btw goes down to 94th percentile if she spawned with all skills lv1
+10 to FP, Torp, Avi, -3 luck
hmm shes lv 10 rn so she has atleast one lv2 talent at start
then 96-97, that range
(btw you can see what starting talents cat has by entering reset but not confirming talent reset)
-3 luck? that was unnecessary devs 
enterprise vs hiryuu kai for offense solo cv?
since i can just reset rng for enterprise i guess to force her owari das
oh got it
bruh wut
akaga 
hiryuu then
she can be a decent tank and proccing final counter early isnt really a bad thing
wait a sec
those Oscar rankings need to be bumped up a bit
sigh incomplete listings
idk how well enty can tank but her owarida timing isnt that great imo
esp vs nyaga barrage
Enty cannot tank naga, amagi or foxes, ryuu more reliable
I thought we already estimated ryuu tank best for that comp 
so why so many ppl are using triple cv now

well, if not this Anni-fest whole summe and september
we would get some reruns already
i am gonna need quite some time to get hiryuu up to speed bah
You have all time in the world 
Dorm her for couple weeks
wow, 2 torp bps today

We are getting there bois
ok first match is a dissaster
lel
Oof
Now it's soccer 
Huh, I see why CN had semitorpmemes as the HMS counteroption

well this is semitorpmemes
full would drop Ykkz and/or Aurora
Lng live the Queen King
huh I guess ppl were just bad back then
cause I remember I didn't start seeing lv>100s after first lv uncap or >110s after 2nd until the first reset after
wait what time is ryuu's 3rd airstrike again?
62.1 sec
16k vg 
oh alright
4-4 so far
qeq
losing vg fights half the time
aurora is so useless in this fight lmao
yea the lack of juneau is really noticeable
gotta do 100 runs jk
ok thats the worst matchup so far
ended up 13-7
not bad i guess?
lemme switch out aurora
to nep?

So far 31 runs 2 bps 

4 bps 49 runs



"Infinite Darkness"... Spee insta ded, fucc all mechanics 
what is this "mechanics" you speak of
Any1 seen Cesare barrage? CN wiki has no gif and i ran whole map not seeing single 
20%

Running French-Italian fleet
oh the gun barrage
yes
good question lol
she failed it whole map
well, she technically is Baka
but torps only once
at lvl 1 it's 2 waves of 3 torps

Not like its relevant
Cause she gae
pasta retros when
Also cesare change stat skill activates not 5 secs after 1st salvo, but almost instant
Like slow ends and skill procs
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It was supposed to kinda not affect 1st Volley, but they failed

Well, 2 maps, 0 barrages
Oh boi she did it finally
It very funny
2 waves of CA gun shots, like Sara skill. 2 shots and then 3 shots in fan patters, followed by 1 smoll big 7 waves

weeeeird
I think i found new toy
Ok it's not fan, just parallel shots
๐ kai when
oh like sanrui barrage
no
sanrui is more like fan
It's indeed like Sara skill
but fixed pattern
no convergence
i got gif sec
wut
oh sorry i meant the 2nd part
of sanrui
where it does like half screen parallel
xD
to be fair she isnt common on avrora either
i wish baltimore had a good barrage
_>
discord why
oh
1980
big quality
weird barrage
so CA gun waves into the laser lines
used ap gun to see better
And CA shots can ignite
barrage numbers are yellow, normal, but there cna be weird modifiers as always
Well, I'll lvl it to at least 6 and see how it looks
it's lvl 1
I think regular big 7 looks same at that lvl
But this thing is pretty satisfying 
I think general idea there is like sakura big 7, but with ca gunfire instead of chevrons, lol, and only 1 wave, like regular big 7

i feel like birmingham will be ok if she procs her evasion skill at the right times xD
dum dum i just noticed i didnt put formie in front of amagi
and you lost
now to repeat everything 

nah im testing vs blue
armor ?
just checking how bad is my comp vs a good torp meme
I see
i dont like putting amagi bottom xD
Ibuki/Aurora/Ykkz 
I put mine on bottom just to annoy and make them switch their Amagi
lul
quadruple oxytorp
he needed them for his attacks probs

9k power
It doesn't update that quickly

if only we had friend/guild pvp
that we could set up
so we wouldnt have to worry about gear shuffle
yes pls
and we could test forever
I had to wait 30 min for Phxf after he switched QE before I could test
i just want a pvp mode with symmetrical positioning and production ships that you can equip
rip anyways i have a good estimate now so np
Hey, dun want to 120 3 more ships
meme
those names lol
oh crap I forgot about that
yeah torpememes in mirror is shitty af
I basically went 50/50
torp meme mirror is dumb because defense can hit your main
oof
but yours cant
it's not even that
_>
im done already blue tyty
you just lose main fleet trade without Juneau
I suppose torp range does have to do with that
like
but it's like, you win VG fight, but your main HP is lower, then you lose
facing it as offense it feels exactly the same
they can occasionally win VG fight despite off advantage
well
maybe hit your main a bit
but then Jun means your main ends up at higher HP
and then you win
dont forget that jintsuu defense is operating only 8% lower damage than PVE
but unlike your own jintsuu
she can hit your main
while your own jintsuu may be at 1.15 multiplier, if she misses it's all gone
idk basically enemy torpteams as offense are easier than mirror stall
im pretty sure it's easier
cause those you can lose to barrage RNG still
like, if stall wasnt so strong
it's obvious torpedo defense would be superior
because less wasted damage
no need to gamble on barrage rng
but because the damage to EHP ratio on stall is so good
there's no reason to meme
But with this testing I think we might have verified CN statement of torpteams being better than stall vs HMS teams
Yeah basically
since she just invulns and gets a freeeeee air strike
that's why i used her back during 110
torps and foxes? please
it's why my vanguard-wipe stat with Nagato-Amagi-Ark failed
Heh I used her shortly after Amagi release, well before lv110
xD
Hiryuu/Amagi and I ended up settling on Hood for third
i was using owari da in 100 era cause i didnt know any better
after amagi came out i used amagi/dork/hiryuu
because 
if azuma didnt have 7k hp
i think torp would come back
to deal with fdg/azuma
if she was 5-6k like the other pr CAs
torp would work
but alas
she is literally a BC
I built it as a hard counter to foxes
the part that surprised me, is that it generally crushes WaSD-type teams too
because balance
Like when WaSDA started walling Amkaga, I tried out it vs that originally for laughs
but it ended up being more consistent than the mirror..... 
i felt like dork was a good option
cause she helps amagi win her fight too
and if they run suicide
dork can abuse that
not sure though
am bias
I went with Hood in the end for reliability, and her reload buff was nice too
Dork, just was too unreliable for me
cause the team was hitting 90+% winrates

god i just want to level faster but spee grind >_>
formidable 109 and birmingham 108
my big brain tells me they are usable

essex formidable double flood stack, birmingham for vanguard cheese
unlimited power
is there any need to do the spee map if you already have her?
no
3 star rewards are bad

like 2 gold cruiser bps for 3 star sp3, a couple of purple for sp1 and sp2
or was it 1 gold bp
i forget
only 4 more then i can just do daily battles
xD
my god i cant seem to beat this thing
0-6 now omegalul
idk whats happening anymore
ree
I told yall, torp VG namagiryuu > stall VG namagiryuu

because of how unbalanced Hiryuu is, the team's win condition is to merely take out your VG or at least force a draw.

other comps don't automatically win by having a tie VG battle

x to doubt
tbh it felt just like that

and my vg chasing every single torp in the map didnt help either
ill just treat this as an extremely rare case and bury it deep in my records
and ppl still think offense position favors the attacker, lmao
Offense still heavily favors the attacker. But all Namagiryuu needs to do is trade VG's to win. The only way to counter that is to mirror match or get lucky with Enty.
Happened to me too
how2math
35 not always gives +1 at end of season
Eating ded resets on eos, Sandy things
what to round...
spaghet
same score is -1
Score in itegers
its possible to have same score and still get base points as long as your position still under them

if only cyaneko was here to datamine the spaghet
and here I thought I was getting close to phxf 
dw, anything can happen on Sandy 
like me losing to a nakaga on the last day and throwing the whole season 
Casuals 
the only way I can beat you is either you get stalled or lose
lol
I was lvling Helena, but she hit 115 and i'm out of money
Like, was he actually losing the fight or it just took forever?
kek
was it like right before
he finished in next season
like the match rolled over past reset
dun remember if he actually restarted
na he just did it too late
well, match ended into next season
like the rest of his matches over 6 minutes or w/e
should have followed the 2 1/2 minute rule 
so i did some more rounds vs that lead yuki and went 6-5 before i messed up and forgot to reset
its still bad but its not that bad as earlier kek
lol
is rudder better than bulge for ships with evasion increase skills like sanrui or birmingham?
in the tanking position of course
birmie wont need rudder cause her base is fine, just give her bulge boiler probably
sanrui wants it because CA xD
unless you are trying to save burmie's auto evade as long as possible
rudder adds 20% eHP right
how much would +35/40% evasion rate add? or is there a point of diminishing returns
ahh
It depends on base eva value
right
BB/BC eva is poo
that's why it has such big value
it adds more than 100% eva in some cases
naga base eva at 200 aff 39
rudder adds 40 more
lol
over 100% increase
for vg it will be 50% for CAs, for CLs less
accounting for skill it will add even less ye
- VG dogfights... enemy vg pressuring yr vg has high hit/acc, for main fleet you mostly account for much lower acc/hit enemy main. So for vg it's even less of effect accounting for enemy vg
also birmingham has 95 evade at 120, so you dont need rudder since 40% buff is plenty
adding rudder for her just makes it overkill
catching torp without bulge for a chance to evade
if she catches too many she can auto evade the rest and protect the main fleet xD
overall that's very shitty 
i mean she is just a more useful cleveland with auto evade at 30
gunboat cl without anything much to offer to team
fire reduction
actually Cleve more useful
they all are meh
might as well do Eldie
eldie doesnt block first barrages nor torpedos
that is her main thing as tank lead
off tank she can pretend to be a sodak and stall for 5 seconds

idk
lul

she was pretty useful in the lvl 100 era
juneau eating the first big seven center wedge is like gonna put you at a huge disadvantage

if you dont big seven their juneau back
lvl100
lul
Mine was never born
I might do it for SSR gold

200 aff Junie has 100 eva actually

over 3.7k hp
and almost 450 AA 
Ryuu got +1 aff today
Think in a week ...


93 centaur langley 100

Langley double fighter too

langley 4/2/0 lul

well this one is a bit rigged 
and here I thought that the ring would be enough 
Houshou MLB dies too
so no biggie


is there a theme or smth
random meme
lol

i wanna see hood armpits


doesn't her summer skin show
Hagpits
oh no
then what is mikasa


not gonna eat Mikasa 
Damn, spam Sandy at the same time is annoying

Sandy : what is AA
Also monty
refusing to yeet Mikasa smh
what is AA
ikr
Something is certainly wrong here
who is that
1 white reeeeeeeeee
I bet it's Fearless
no

Wait then
0Never
i used minne after aurora came out
Gonna try this to some equal match
i could kill people who put eldridge lead
with superior firepower
and most cls really

What is meta 
but there were less barrages that aimed vg back then so
When u can meme
when memers meet...
it wasnt a problem to just CA + aux gun squishies to death
and then minne defense skill on push to main
Minne actually can be pvp wise if there's a buff for her FP

wow dont you dare put hms and kms in the same sentence
have fun resetting half day


ill level hms meme next
memers..

Everything is meme 

That suffering and time waste not worth anything...
hms
amagi
isnt a faction fleet just 4?
main at least
whaaat

i just went with 4 cause all the counter skills use 4
like amagi and kgv
4 is fine
xD

kek
true


checkmate

alaska when
When Alaska melts
oof

having double flood ticks is amusing though

solo essex with rwg/rudder and balti buff hits 700 to 800
no retro for Graf Spuseless
280+ guns are CBs
i mean without retro

y such hater
U will not get Miksasa

I voodoo you on Kiro's blood
Im not a hater


tsun love
nope
Can't resist that gorgeous Oni

but knowing my luck i got no chance to get her on first day
Doko mitteru no kocchi dayo
day 1 oath challenges are fun. about 13 hrs the fastest one can do.
that was cute

The only free costume I missed out on cause I completely forgot
Sara is total midget
U missed nothing 
its fine though, sara got a billion skins

imagine having Sara to check which costume you have for her
xy pulling the ole reverse desire sensor trick? 
Imagine sara dress not having special lines
so much salt on this channel
just realized now mikasa is build only

For all these free skins
No special lines
do maps to get mikasa poop

actually there lines
Sara dress has special line as sec, not in dock tho...
saratoga
dock just has retro lines

can you test my KMS ? 
also if you can not look at the screen for like 10 seconds it 'd be great
test how fast it can die?


it's very tanky, you can make a sandwich and go back and the fight would still be going

damage reduction is overrated
when you have double flood damage
no need to worry about 15% dr
phoenix probably can 

zeppy doesnt have flood
I only saw you like once this season, it was while I was rushing in the last 10 mins like I usually do.
yea kms is tanky but thats it

then what about my HMS
I stopped getting 1k merits in the mail
does that mean I'm only getting 80 merits from each exercise from now on?
oh
last reward is 2.5k merits
is that like a reward when the season ends
for cool people
it looks like im getting 700
you just need to hit the threshold of the amount of scores you need to get the reward
i just need 2k more fore a purin
this week Im totally slacc for pvp. always finished atleast 1k rank. but only 3k now

I need purins
are you from Sandy ?
Lex

lmao
when do we get lexington retro =(
i dunno what they would even give her
maybe a slow?
so she can combo with sara?
when u break the simulation
whew
couldnt unlock roon before 343 bp 
50k?
Im not doing the graf spee event
its a weird event
This dude is on 100 yesterday

Are KMS not fit for PvP?
just wait for PR2 BB friedrich de grosse
grosse won't carry them up to hms level
well, at least i don't think under dev30 grosse will
ah yes just fought some guy using vh on amagi and still can hav fk tons of acc
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O boy. Somehow made it even though I dropped 3-4 matches 
Lol, now I'm there
@midnight heron Did some quick maths according to the formula on the wiki and Amagi with no acc bonus would have an accuracy of 0.4185 on my Enty
Never feels like that
yea it definitely doesnt feel like it
might as well not use acc gear then
maybe dats the meta
BTW, I didn't know that pressing new opponent, gives me higher guys to beat. So I've been grinding at this stuff, for Farr to long
XD
I calculated it again with 1 SG radar and Amagi's acc would be 0.4668
It's a slight bonus but she still shouldn't hit as often as she does
Well it gave me a guy from 21 place to 7. so it was helpful
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either dat or i just hav confirmation bias
oh wait did u include nagato bonus
also does nagato increase flat rate or just the hit numeric value

120% of 68 = 82 rounded up
from my point of view the jedi r evil even when i use acc gear i still miss a fk ton
just now i even saw an aurora with 10% hp walk straight into the linear barrage and come out alive (with aur debuff active)

<still has lead nanoda ptsd
only got to burst her once in like 8 fights even if she's in lead pos

once my formidable is 120 none shall escape without flooood

i wish flood had like a blue or water color
_>
so it didnt get concealed in a billion other damage ticks
shud just show the shipgirls leaking water
tho its the complete opposite of flooding
lul
With Nagato buff (also on the gear) Amagi has a hit of 0.5131
Should still be a coin flip no matter what
i still get pissed either way


My rank isnt even going down, is it normal?
The number doesnt update unless you relog or are looking at it from the leaderboard (assuming you're in top 100)
It isnt going down like it does before i formed the meta fleet
Well it just depends on how many people are passing your score. Rank is realative to your score and other people's score.
Score never goes down.
So when your rank goes down, it just means people are passing your score.
Are they either beating my defense or others?
pvp rank isnt + winner - loser
it's just a ladder
whoever gets the most total points goes up further
It could be either but statistically others.
I became Rank 1 even for a short time, it was satisfying
@balmy torrent In that case I think it's fine that I rounded it up
Shefflield finally maxed
https://puu.sh/Es1xq/f7d70eb0fb.png
time to employ BICC BRAIN strats https://puu.sh/Es1xw/2a19b36f2a.png
hol up
Sheffield still doesnt have enough HP to buff Nep....
Nep too thicc REEEE
I have "resolved" the issue https://puu.sh/Es1Hp/ef970eec61.png
tfw no pyoko-pyoko 
Nep too thicc. Can't give her any more HP if I want to the sheff buff meem.
thats fair 
pyoko/toolbox still best eHP tho. Unless your sheff RNG is godly.
https://puu.sh/Es1Iu/064b8ec8db.png full meido VG ๐ ๐
(except that Nep isn't really a maid)
Hiryuu kai's skill activation line is starting to get on my nerves, bitch be spamming that shit every 20 seconds. Can't even enjoy this game with sound on anymore. Thanks, IJN cancer.
i c nep became a dd
discord bots not letting me directly upload this pic because of its theme 
bots deem it inappropriate and they are right
cause none of those girls wearing enough clothing 
wow what the fuck, it let me upload once I gave Warspite and Vicky some clothing
bots too advanced at detecing pantsu vs no pantsu
Imagine two sandys fighting each other
Honestly sandy not as annoying
why is formi only at 4300?
what am i missing
are you using an oil tank and an albacore?
had double catas and gold planes yeah
swapped back to oil tank tho
I use double cata if using ryusei and cata/tank if cuda
what fleet works best against namaryuu if I dont have amagi
HMS comps work well enough. Though I probably wouldn't suggest raising them unless you actually like them, Warspite being an expection because her retro is nuts.
Whatever the case is, namagi meta is here to stay.
Enemy Enterprise always proccing is annoying

My Enty didn't proc for like 10 times in a row one time 

Sadly no, according to people who've tested KMS.
Its like theyre too easy to sink
2 owari da = all kms fleet
Aight thanks
seasons end Sunday To Monday reset
Well, I'm done with pvp for awhile, I reached the rank i wanted, with this fleet of mine XD
and that was like 7 hour ago XD
gud enuf bro
that's all i wanted, to get in that rank, get those 2500 points and be out of there
which server are you from Wolf ?
@trim horizon Washington
why?you looked me up ?XD
He looked at you like at pleb
why u have to be mean

xy what's yr score 
wut?
oh my

2399 9/10
















