pvp

[blazing scroll]

gib Iowa

or Midway

[sharp wing]

Alaskas

Midway heavy armor CV flag

Asserting Dominance

[blazing scroll]

With an even better

Delete opponents game

[sharp wing]

And Alaska CBs in front

[blazing scroll]

Imagine using both Guam and Alaska in your vg

[sharp wing]

305 guns

Hawaii as PR

or 1 of other 3

[steady heath]

Hi fellow bosses of this gym

[sharp wing]

You came to "Lift together" ?

[trim horizon]

can't even rent York skin

since I burned her

[valid stirrup]

tbh wut exactly is the optimal level for jun?

[trim horizon]

depends on ur enemy level

but obvsiously 120

[valid stirrup]

offensive jun seems ez, but defensive jun seems a bit...weirder

[trim horizon]

If she dies too early because lacks of level

🚮

you shouldn't care about def w/ Foxes

only ppl that you can wall are underleveled or not optimized teams

[midnight heron]

like mine

[trim horizon]

as long as your comp work on Offense it's all good

[sharp wing]

Only comp that works on def is namayuu

[trim horizon]

and even then, comp that actually made me reset are the one without Jun

w/ full offensive VG

[sharp wing]

foxes can kill nagato and amagi, cause, lul IJN aa, but then hiryuu will solo them (what's left of them)

well, stall vgs on def cannot outstall stall off vg due to 20% defense buff on offense

[valid stirrup]

isn't it 20% dmg buff on offense

[sharp wing]

Wiki lies to you

[trim horizon]

[sharp wing]

Offense takes 0.8 damage

[valid stirrup]

bruh wut

[sharp wing]

that's how it is written in code

offense buff would actually speed up battles and make things work different

[trim horizon]

If it was 20%on off

[sharp wing]

but nope,

[trim horizon]

You'd feel how fast the game it'd be

[sharp wing]

offense just takes 80% damage

so that +20% statement on wiki is not right

[valid stirrup]

huh

[sharp wing]

CN wiki got it right anyway

It's only on EN wiki damage buff

But we actually checked code, and it literally states 0.8 damage modifier

[valid stirrup]

huh,seafangs and hellcats not good in pvp?

[sharp wing]

nah

[valid stirrup]

gotta get dem reppus mm

[sharp wing]

it's vf-17 and reppus

[valid stirrup]

can't u only get 1 vf-17

[sharp wing]

yes

it's event

only CN has 2 VF-17s and HSFCRs

[valid stirrup]

so what else do u put on other cvs then in fighter spot

[sharp wing]

reppus

[valid stirrup]

ah

[sharp wing]

sea fury is options if u lack both

but that's only option if lacking

[valid stirrup]

so yeah, pvp u def want oil tank+gold cat?

[sharp wing]

solo cv is tank + eva item or armor

dual cvs cata + tank, can do w/ double catas

[valid stirrup]

i plan to become an utter menace in pvp

[sharp wing]

after amagi and nagato rerun

[valid stirrup]

heh heh heh yea boi

[sharp wing]

Also pins have info about all pvp buffs/debuffs ship take

Second Gorgeous Oni is here

[valid stirrup]

tbh, should i go for the pearl tear?

[sharp wing]

You must have it

[valid stirrup]

whew

[sharp wing]

and beaver badge

[valid stirrup]

well i have beaver

[sharp wing]

it's assumed u use beaver and pearls by default

Oh boi, got 1 mag torp bp

[trim horizon]

[valid stirrup]

dang, i need to finish my collection thing then

[sharp wing]

[trim horizon]

Which server are you again ?

[valid stirrup]

washington?

[trim horizon]

Oh

[sharp wing]

[valid stirrup]

oof

now i'm gonna get chatised

[sharp wing]

Nah

When u see Wash pps

[valid stirrup]

i wash pp?

[sharp wing]

pps = peoples

[valid stirrup]

well yes

[sharp wing]

Nah, we are most casuals here, dw

[trim horizon]

[sharp wing]

^ this name should be deleted

Tsuntsun

[trim horizon]

where are the the ppl on sandy asking question

also

Hiei

don't have enough gems to buy her skin tho

[sharp wing]

[valid stirrup]

tbh i don't know much about the server war

how are the pvps on each server? i assume avrora is super intense or something

[trim horizon]

nah

we just need more food on other servers

[sharp wing]

Join Foodie Division today

[elder crane]

Avrora is a bit more intense but the server diffs aren't to the degree that the CN ones are

[trim horizon]

Langley just stole mvp to Centaur

[elder crane]

In terms of content all are identical, in terms of how long players have played, it's not much diff, just a bit of tryhard player count diffs

unlike, say, CN which has some servers much newer than others

[sharp wing]

3rd Nepgun get

And none of my pvp comps use it

Can we put 2 asw planes on 1 ship?

[midnight heron]

ofc bro

[vague token]

yeah

i have 2 on chaser

xD

[midnight heron]

tho i wudnt bother with any ship other than her

[vague token]

double asw planes help boost those cvl bases

[sharp wing]

well, gonna buy 2nd

[vague token]

and i guess it helps her asw barrage?

or does hers scale with avi

[sharp wing]

avi

[vague token]

oh

that's lame

[sharp wing]

Well, it's just says scales w/ lvl

[trim horizon]

https://twitter.com/AzurLane_EN/status/1183064788152262660

Azur Lane Official (@AzurLane_EN)

❀Moonlit Cruise❀

Hiei is changing into her new attire. She will grace your dock in the near future, Commander.

#AzurLane #Yostar

Twitter

wryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[sharp wing]

but they usually increase by avi too

Fetishes

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

So many fetishes in 1 palce

[trim horizon]

but FGO

[sharp wing]

Imagine whaling on FGo

[trim horizon]

saving 200 euro in gacha for new year

[sharp wing]

200 euro for gacha

[trim horizon]

I mean

[vague token]

hiei retro when

[sharp wing]

After Miksa retro

[trim horizon]

it's not that much

[sharp wing]

Depends on yr regional currency rates

[sharp wing]

🚫

[trim horizon]

gonna spend those 15 euro

for Hiei

[sharp wing]

[trim horizon]

last time I shop

for this year

unless

DC rerun

[sharp wing]

You say that every time

[trim horizon]

[sharp wing]

War Goddess

[ripe latch]

[sharp wing]

[ripe latch]

mikasa can on pvp or nagato better?

[sharp wing]

lul

[ripe latch]

[trim horizon]

EAT

[sharp wing]

Mikasa not even used in pve

[trim horizon]

_ _

[sharp wing]

no u

Useless tsun

[trim horizon]

[sharp wing]

[trim horizon]

once she get her retro

I might mlb

her

[ripe latch]

foodkasa

[trim horizon]

IF she ever get it

[sharp wing]

Where JP news

[trim horizon]

yeah

[sharp wing]

Well, it's Saturday

I say Mikasa Perma + Retro

[trim horizon]

[Important] Typhoon No. 19 is expected to approach eastern Japan on Saturday, 12th tomorrow, keeping strong power. Please refrain from unnecessarily going out, take measures against heavy rain and landslide disasters, etc., pay attention to typhoon information / traffic information, and act on your own safety first. Please spend it carefully.

[sharp wing]

But en cucced

[trim horizon]

JP twitt

[sharp wing]

devs are in CN

[trim horizon]

yeah

I mean, now weather forecast instead of game news

[sharp wing]

And tbh is Yostar main office even in JP?

[sharp wing]

And the more important question, does Mikasa aux +1 apply to 3rd slot

[trim horizon]

mikuseless

[sharp wing]

Shitkican

[trim horizon]

piggato better

[sharp wing]

[trim horizon]

caught another chicken to raise

by doing sos

[sharp wing]

She kill you with a smile

[trim horizon]

yeelite

[sharp wing]

[trim horizon]

[sharp wing]

Teme-chan curry

[trim horizon]

yeah curry flavor teme-chan

[sharp wing]

Akizukis are actually AA viable

135% eff guns, almost 200 AA and huge reload

and Nii aa mode

their MG+1 DD guns are meh tho...

too low fp

~75 at 120

[ripe latch]

most usles fleet

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

i mean

[sharp wing]

I enjoy my French fleet

[vague token]

they have the appropriate firepower for a destroyer version of sandy

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

sandy retro gives like 50 fp

turning her into a low tech level eagle CA

[sharp wing]

sandy has not 100% gun eff tho

[vague token]

i mean, 115 isnt that bad for that fp

if sirius had 180 fp base and mgm+1 she'd be tearing up enemies left and right xD

[sharp wing]

akizukis have 100% mgs and ~75 fp

they are bulky tho

[ripe latch]

75 fp
@
11 chapter

deal 0 dmg

even 100lvl

[sharp wing]

they are for ch12

[vague token]

but yeah, i think if you scale sandy to destroyer they have the proper stats technically

it's just why would you want a dd sandy

xD

[ripe latch]

lil sandy + sandy kai + ??

[vague token]

lil sandy is a cl still

the smol boats dont change their class

at least yoizuki and harutsuki have aerial support

assuming you run mle

it boosts them to like

125-130 fp

which is passable for mgm+1 destroyer

[sharp wing]

ch12 has no real surface threat

even junie solo fine

[vague token]

xD

[sharp wing]

u will use 127 for more aa

[trim horizon]

got my +2

time to rush

[safe meteor]

did Germany had any good Aircraft carriers though?

what are they lacking now for a good pvp team?

[ripe latch]

[safe meteor]

two good BB/BC or one good carrier prob?

[ripe latch]

think only mother zepp good

[safe meteor]

"Good"

[ripe latch]

prob she usles now

[safe meteor]

there is HMS Formidable and Centaur
IJN gets Kaga, Akagi, Hiryuu kai
USS has Enterprise, Essex

and Germans only get Graf Zepp?

how does Tirpitz perform in pvp with Bismarck ?

[trim horizon]

lul

[safe meteor]

what that mean?

[trim horizon]

they don't perform very well 🙂

[elder crane]

Germans are most missing Vanguards imo
and 1 more really good KMS synergy main maybe

[safe meteor]

eeh, cant Germans just run the usual vanguards?

Juneau, Yukikaze, and one more

[coral wren]

what's the best offensive HMS fleet? i want to do a change

[elder crane]

Well it's part of why HMS in CN/JP is trash even though they have really good mains
now that Azuma, Jun, Ykkz exist, there's no space for a HMS vanguard

@coral wren see pins

[safe meteor]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BglmSOaD1ec8zc6bKwiItf2OcQueoRNxF3UGzlQnHBU/edit#gid=0
this thing, Archios, lots of nice HMS teams in there

[coral wren]

was checking that one, but the problem is

what backline, and what vanguard

yes QE or no QE

[raw osprey]

EN pvp is so dead, lost 2 games cuz didnt pay attention and didnt sandbag still Admiral of the Navy

[vague token]

personally id like to meme with like QE + london

someday

big mle deeps

[safe meteor]

got KGV?

[coral wren]

i'd go for a KGV/centaur/monarch line

yeah, got all the major botes

[vague token]

im thinking

kgv/qe/formidable

[coral wren]

or formi/monarch/KGV?

[sharp wing]

try kgv cent formie

cent solo better

[coral wren]

wouldn't monarch be better in that case?

[vague token]

formidable helps london land mle though

[coral wren]

because of the higher barrage/shelling?

[vague token]

xD

[coral wren]

actually nvm, i guess KGV shells harder because of the 20% boost and 10% if IJN

[safe meteor]

Monarch is nice if you need one ship to die real fast in backline

[sharp wing]

hms 2 cv looks like better comp now

[coral wren]

and what to use, 356mm quad gold?

[sharp wing]

on kgv

[vague token]

monarch wont be killing as fast anyone now that armor is here

[coral wren]

and what vanguard?

[vague token]

you have to guess whether amagi or hiryuu has armor

xD

[coral wren]

nanoda/yeptune/jesus?

[sharp wing]

junie nanoda random

[safe meteor]

oh right, that armor got fixed

[vague token]

double cv is better than monarch

imo

for hms

[coral wren]

ryuusei on both formi and centaur?

[safe meteor]

also, IJN has weak AA, so double carrier works better there

[sharp wing]

finally hms got some useable cv

crash damage ignore armor anyway

[safe meteor]

have a Belfast ready vs Foxes

[coral wren]

belfast/nanoda/jesus?

[vague token]

hiryuu has high AA (350+) i think

for ijn

[safe meteor]

Belfast only vs Foxes

[vague token]

xD

[sharp wing]

Belfast overall very good

She gives overall good survivability boost, not only vs foxes

and she deals good damage herself

and she is very tanky

[safe meteor]

oh also, always run at least one HMS in vanguard for KGV

[sharp wing]

ye

if u run kgv need 1 hms vg

[vague token]

yeah you need 3

total

so aurora or belfast i think

[sharp wing]

aurora too frail for not foxes

tbh

[vague token]

i thought kgv makes it work

[sharp wing]

and formie + Cent dun really need boosts

[vague token]

just reset until early gun hits

;)

[sharp wing]

for fuccs sake...

[vague token]

kek

sheffield is probably fine too

hmm juneau/sheffield/london sounds fun

[trim horizon]

reaching phxf slowly

[sharp wing]

londoh has less hp than sheff?

[trim horizon]

[vague token]

yeah

or rather

she has 50 hp more

aka easily fixed

[sharp wing]

she more trash than i thought

[vague token]

london gets that weirdly high evasion

[sharp wing]

light armor and CL hp

🚮

[vague token]

she's 3rd for evasion base

york is highest for w/e reason

[safe meteor]

also, i got the feeling no good torp, is pretty bad in pvp?

[sharp wing]

no torp

london also has only 1 main gun mount

[vague token]

that's ok though cause she has big mle

[sharp wing]

her aux is main gun

[vague token]

;)

[safe meteor]

its hard for London to catch up to the dmg other ships do with their torp first strike?

[vague token]

no?

[sharp wing]

yes

[vague token]

unless you ram all torpedos

mle aux hits like a truck

even on 70% efficiency

[sharp wing]

london will need a minute to catch up to torps

[safe meteor]

a minute, she dies in like 20 sec?

[sharp wing]

that too

less tanky CL

[vague token]

82 base evade is less tanky cl?

maybe compared to belfast

[sharp wing]

and less hp

than even sheff

[vague token]

it's perfectly manageable

[sharp wing]

Not aurora ofc

[vague token]

i can get baltimore to live lol

london will be tankier

[sharp wing]

baltie has med armor

[vague token]

which means you eat more damage from amagi, planes, and torpedos

[safe meteor]

here is another problem

CA, so lowers your spd

[sharp wing]

amagi is not vg threat

[vague token]

maybe for you

[sharp wing]

for any1

[vague token]

i get barrage aimed at me and then my vg drives into it

xD

[sharp wing]

And if u get amagi aimed at vg thats win

[vague token]

not really

[sharp wing]

at yr vg

[vague token]

im running armor amagi

[safe meteor]

is London a serious attempt though, or just for meme?

[vague token]

it's easier for me to win through vg

[hot creek]

Amagi is defintely a VG threat lmao. She can easily wipe your VG

[sharp wing]

meme ofc

[vague token]

than main vs main

[sharp wing]

Amagi never did any serious damage to my vg

[vague token]

do you use a medium armor ca?

xD

cause if you dont then yeah

[sharp wing]

mainly cause vg runs out of her shells w/ 2 boilers as well, there very rare times she aims at vg

[vague token]

you dont know the struggle of 120 sanrui running into amagi barrage

and eating 2x1000 or more

because ai

=(

[safe meteor]

can you park a Monarch in front of Amagi, if she is that threatening to vg?

[vague token]

that wouldnt save your vanguard lol

you just gotta rng

;)

hmm i could just convert to hms meme

[hot creek]

she isn't that threatening but if you get unlucky, amagi barrage can easily maim your VG down to nothing.

[safe meteor]

how is Warspite btw?

[vague token]

formidable/amagi + qe

[safe meteor]

i sometimes run Warspite to help Monarch to kill something real quick

[vague token]

and swap to juneau/london/sheffield

ill do that next

after im done with eagle meme

[safe meteor]

whats your Eagle meme?

[vague token]

formidable/amagi/essex/birmingham/juneau/baltimore

wish we had a pr eagle CA >_>

or sanrui counted as eagle

____>

or alaska

xD

[elder crane]

For now I'm pretty sure Cent or Formi provides better support for focusing than WS

Especially Cent, I would imagine

[sharp wing]

massive crash damage

[vague token]

and torpedos everywhere

[sharp wing]

and 100%

[vague token]

you'll be hitting the entire screen

xD

[safe meteor]

right, i should start to get my Cent working

[sharp wing]

Mona can still say nope to barrage

[safe meteor]

im still recovering Golden Bulins after the Pasta event, and after Yukikaze

[vague token]

oof

[sharp wing]

there 1 in exchange shop atm i think

[trim horizon]

http://prntscr.com/pifp4u

[safe meteor]

already did that

[trim horizon]

http://prntscr.com/pifp73

[safe meteor]

what is this?

[vague token]

oh god

[sharp wing]

meme formie

[vague token]

such MeMe

[trim horizon]

cv aux when

[safe meteor]

right, we need that thing too

[sharp wing]

we need 2 things

avgas and beacon

[safe meteor]

what do they do again?

[vague token]

gas is just tank

[sharp wing]

beacon faster airstrikes

[vague token]

but makes your planes faster

[sharp wing]

gas + planes speed and + hp

[vague token]

like they fly faster

[sharp wing]

and more hp than tank

[safe meteor]

so you equip both of em?

[vague token]

not the cooldown

[sharp wing]

depends

[safe meteor]

replacing the old two standard pvp Carrier equipment?

[sharp wing]

on fast cv it won't do much

[safe meteor]

i guess cooldown to fine tune your strikes

[sharp wing]

like Cent

on slow cv it will significant

[safe meteor]

so like Formi wants that then

[vague token]

formi has like no reload

so it helps

[sharp wing]

xD

ye

[trim horizon]

soft landing

[sharp wing]

It will be close to 1 sec boost on her

if u do heccdivers

[elder crane]

Every nonAkaga CV wants beacon for PvP

it's the different between getting equal/more strikes than opponent and less/equal

[vague token]

personally ill probably only use beacon on formidable

cause i use RWG/rudder

[safe meteor]

i guess i should stop upgrading those golden catapult from now on?

[vague token]

on the other

fake radar xD

[elder crane]

Yeah Catas have almost no place these days for PvP

[sharp wing]

u need only few catas for pve

[safe meteor]

wait really?

[vague token]

cata only gives 30 avi more than tank

[sharp wing]

U only ever needed 2 anyway

for pvp

[safe meteor]

what replace it now?

oooh

[trim horizon]

freeze time and full big7

[safe meteor]

thats what you mean

[vague token]

so it's pretty meh

[elder crane]

Well once beacon comes for PvP it's gone

for now there's some use

[vague token]

people use cata over beaver hiryuu?

[sharp wing]

even on double CVs i prefer cata+tank

[vague token]

[safe meteor]

i got 5 maxed out

[elder crane]

Over Armour/Rudder Hiryuu you mean smh

[vague token]

kek

[safe meteor]

but yea, i only run 2 in pvp

[trim horizon]

using armor beaver

[vague token]

just means it's easier to kill amagi lul

good old guessing game

Who Has The Armor

[sharp wing]

doesn't matter, they die the same

[elder crane]

tbh I'm not convinced armour is that good

[trim horizon]

^

[vague token]

for non-meta it is

[safe meteor]

so that golden armor i should max now too?

[trim horizon]

you should've maxed it

[elder crane]

Whoever runs it is forced to move to top slot or eat extra torp dmg

[trim horizon]

when it was 35% cheaper

[sharp wing]

If u have rudders, u can not do armor

[trim horizon]

we had CN upgrade cost when it was bugged

[vague token]

i mean, that's usually fine

[safe meteor]

i got three maxed rudders

[vague token]

if you put armor hiryuu bottom she eats extra cuda/torp chip

[trim horizon]

I think some peeps are running Enty Armor in Sandy

[elder crane]

Hiryuu bottom even vs Amagi I feel is tankier with Rudder than armour, yeah

[vague token]

if you put her top amagi eats it

[midnight heron]

y cn upgrade cheaper than ours

[vague token]

which means armor is superior on non-meta

eg i can use amagi with armor

put her top

and use other mains

[safe meteor]

sadly, i dont have Amagi

[vague token]

for fun

[sharp wing]

When Amagi misses i feel more satisfied, than watching her 60% less damage hits with almost 100% hitrate

[safe meteor]

will she come back soon?

[elder crane]

probably not too far away

[vague token]

plus essex covers her weak aa anyways ;)))))

[sharp wing]

Amagi sure should come soon

[elder crane]

CE should rerun in a few months

[safe meteor]

alright

[sharp wing]

Usually they rerun events in less than year, Amagi was in January

[vague token]

wish we had faction modifier gear =/

[safe meteor]

i only played for a few months

[sharp wing]

But 3 Anniv in a row

fucced up schedules

still need Dc rerun 1st

And we got Spee rerun, that was after them both

[trim horizon]

make KagaBB permanent

[vague token]

hey, i want a 2nd pirate and hpfcr thanks

[trim horizon]

and not Amagi

[safe meteor]

lot of pvp stuff i missed

[sharp wing]

I have both, no need perma

why?

[safe meteor]

so got recommendations, when to use those equipments?

[elder crane]

there's a fair amt of memery there

VF-17 best fighter overall

[safe meteor]

i wish i had that

[elder crane]

HFCR is best offensive BB/BC aux in lategame or when the faster load really matters

[safe meteor]

is HFCR that thing that makes your first BB reload earlier?

[vague token]

you think we'll get collabs added to archive (and relevant gear to core data)?

[sharp wing]

yes

no

[vague token]

i could use another RWG

[elder crane]

Yep
and has +36 hit and +20FP

[safe meteor]

i dont have that either, sadly

[sharp wing]

that's same event

so obviously u don't

[safe meteor]

i really hope latejoiners can grab those nice stuff someday

[sharp wing]

both items from FW

probably never

[ionic magnet]

@balmy torrent lol why heccdabber

[safe meteor]

naaaa~~,

[ionic magnet]

someone change it

[vague token]

extremely

because of pvp accuracy changes

it destroys all dive bombers lol

[ionic magnet]

no the name

[safe meteor]

the name is the problem?

[ionic magnet]

well

[sharp wing]

No meme names

[ionic magnet]

just not consistent

[safe meteor]

oooh

i was thinking it was not too optimal to run

so thats the problem

[sharp wing]

We don't need THIS there

[ionic magnet]

lmao

[trim horizon]

weat

ethist

misaka

[safe meteor]

do we have enough Yanderes btw?

[sharp wing]

No

There never enough

[ionic magnet]

@real notch time to remove your masterpiece

[sharp wing]

Well, nah

Just no meme equip names

[safe meteor]

its kinda fun to hear all those Yanderes simutaneously fire their Yandere laugh/quote

[sharp wing]

[ionic magnet]

[trim horizon]

I support meme too

[safe meteor]

like Akagi vs Akagi, i heard often before

[nova tree]

what do u guys use for DB on Hiyruu?

[sharp wing]

heccdiver

ofc

[trim horizon]

[sharp wing]

there no other DBs in non meme

[trim horizon]

leave the slot open

you don't need them

[sharp wing]

I'll leave yr dock empty

#freetheshipgirls

[vague token]

unless they rework bomb mechanics

[trim horizon]

you mean factory

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

or make something that surpasses the heccdiver

it will always be the top db

[trim horizon]

rainbow heccdiver

[vague token]

forever

[sharp wing]

If McCluscky had 500 bombs, it would be op

it has real t0 ammo

but lul 100 bombs

[vague token]

dont t3 bombs do the same as t0

[sharp wing]

no

t0 bombs do more damage

[vague token]

i dont remember that on the wiki

[sharp wing]

EN wiki has no data

[vague token]

oh

[sharp wing]

pleb wiki

[vague token]

WIKI WHY

[safe meteor]

hmm, i think i remember someone saying the dmg

[sharp wing]

I did

[vague token]

but yeah they either power creep the heccdiver

[trim horizon]

here Hiryuu BiS if ur still interested

[vague token]

or nothing will ever be better

[safe meteor]

http://azurlanesanctuarygrossweebskeepout.blogspot.com/2018/09/azur-laneen-in-depth-equipment-guide_20.html

this guide

[sharp wing]

Special bombs in order: Ap diver 1600, McCluscky 2k and 100, VF-17 500

[ionic magnet]

wow toxic shikikan

[trim horizon]

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

oh 480 vs 456

[safe meteor]

2x380

T3 is 2x 360

[vague token]

so basically t0 is 5% stronger

more or less

[safe meteor]

that guide also says 380 right?

[sharp wing]

that thing is outdated

like 2k18 outdated

[safe meteor]

the bottom one VF17 i see, and i see the number 380 there

[ionic magnet]

wth is mccluscky

[sharp wing]

CN FW was that long ago

[trim horizon]

[vague token]

2x100, 1x2000

5% amp vs cvs

and t0 bombs

so the 2k is 5% stronger baseline than normal

[safe meteor]

so its sux eh?

[sharp wing]

if only 500 bombs

it's same damage and reload as BTD

lel

[vague token]

oh and btd reload

[safe meteor]

good 'ol SB2C

[sharp wing]

lame

[safe meteor]

there is nothing that beats that

[vague token]

was there a helldiver squadron that did big feats in WWII?

i doubt it

everyone hated the plane

i think

it was clunky and a pain to maintain or something

[sharp wing]

ye

[vague token]

The U.S. Navy would not accept the SB2C until 880 modifications[7] to the design and the changes on the production line had been made

big lul

[sharp wing]

Still it served in 5 navies

even after ww2

[vague token]

In operational experience, it was found that the U.S. Navy's Grumman F6F Hellcat and Vought F4U Corsair fighters were able to carry an equally heavy bomb load against ground targets and were vastly more capable of defending themselves against enemy fighters.

where is our divebomber pirate and hellcat

with 2k bombs

[safe meteor]

i dont really know this stuff

[sharp wing]

Well, fighters didn't equip those 2k bombs tho, cause they had to do dogfights

[safe meteor]

all i know, i love to run SB2C Helldiver on my carriers, easy to get, easy to upgrade, not much other choices to pick

[vague token]

oh, we could get a hero squad for the one that helped sink the yamato

[ripe latch]

its useful or not?

[sharp wing]

no

[vague token]

or atom bomb version

atom bomb heccdiver

[ripe latch]

saved 800 cd

[sharp wing]

it's basically BTD

[safe meteor]

im glad its not good

[sharp wing]

with no aa

[safe meteor]

we stick with SB2C, our good old trusty SB2C

[vague token]

yeah it's kinda weird it has no guns

like did they just forget?

[sharp wing]

t0 bombs dun need guns

[ripe latch]

1 x 2000lb Bomb T0
2 x 100lb Bomb T0

but vs yuki ?

[sharp wing]

vs yukie 100 bobms like useless

in pvp the bigger the bomb, the higher acc

[vague token]

in pve too actually

[ripe latch]

2k proc

[sharp wing]

smoll bombs will miss

[vague token]

but pvp makes the difference larger

[sharp wing]

well, pve whatever

[vague token]

xD

[sharp wing]

even run stuka

[vague token]

im sure it matters in ch13

[sharp wing]

u still hit

[vague token]

when you're out leveled

all the miss

shoulda made it the other way

100 bombs have most hit rate

but you have to actually land them

cause the aoe is smol

xD

or scaled the hit based on ship type

[sharp wing]

well, that would be good gamewise balance, but not logical as irl

[vague token]

well yeah

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

not like the game uses irl

for a basis

otherwise the heccdiver would be bad

xD

[sharp wing]

they do in general

but yeah

[vague token]

and ap would be better

probably

xD

[sharp wing]

helldiver wouldn't be bad actually

[ripe latch]

its trash too?
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Fairey_Barracuda_(831_Squadron)

[sharp wing]

it's still last purpose-built DB

[ionic magnet]

@elder crane can you setup a torp VG for a bit? wanna see how bad it can get

[sharp wing]

that's meme

[ionic magnet]

went 17-3 vs your current setup

feelsgood

[safe meteor]

wait, whats that plane?

[sharp wing]

future core plane

[vague token]

dont worry about it

;)

[sharp wing]

it carriers 1 1600 ap bomb

so ye

[safe meteor]

thats it?

[vague token]

hmm what if we could customize bomb loadout separate from plane

[safe meteor]

but maybe for bosses?

[vague token]

based on plane weight capacity or something

[safe meteor]

with that armor break

[vague token]

that would be fun

no reason to gimp your bomb damage

when you could just run 3 bbs with ap

or just use ryuusei

[coral wren]

still wondering if formi or monarch

[sharp wing]

armor break is bad

period

[safe meteor]

ok

[vague token]

armor break is a joke

i dont even know why they bothered

[sharp wing]

it's meme

[vague token]

adding such a terrible modifier to ap

[ionic magnet]

@coral wren for what

[sharp wing]

they tried to bandaid AP BB guns, but it made them more meme

[vague token]

the damage boost it gives will never equate to he burns

[safe meteor]

HMS pvp team, right?

[vague token]

unless you are like full manual

with 3 bbs

[coral wren]

yup

[vague token]

and 3 gun CAs

[ionic magnet]

well chicken fleet is best fleet rn

[sharp wing]

formie

[ionic magnet]

for hms

[safe meteor]

i think you run HMS Formidable normally, and Monarch only if you need to kill something fast

[sharp wing]

nah

cv pressure still better

esp w/ extra barrage planes

massive crash damage

[ionic magnet]

CVs are more consistent yea

[sharp wing]

monarch will not kill anything much faster

[ionic magnet]

and formie can do the amagi tanking too so no problem with that

[sharp wing]

and barrage pattern itself very wide

[vague token]

crash damage never wasted

unlike monarch barrage

;)

[sharp wing]

And Mona basically useless after she kills oppo

[vague token]

formidable also buffers you a bit with damage reduction against hiryuu's regular air strike

[ionic magnet]

well crash dmg can get wasted

[sharp wing]

unless u put big gun on her, but then she can't do her barragger job fast

[safe meteor]

actually

i only Run Monarch vs Enterprise

[ionic magnet]

when hiryuu decided to say fu

[sharp wing]

well

[safe meteor]

her skill kinda times badly with my carriers

[sharp wing]

U just gotta wait till Enty doesn't proc

[safe meteor]

yea.............

Owari da, Owari da, Owari da, thats all im hearing

and my carriers get walled by that single Enty

[sharp wing]

lel

[safe meteor]

so i just say, Run monarch there

[sharp wing]

Probably NamaEnty can be a wall for Chicken fleet

[ionic magnet]

she even says owarida sometimes even if skill didnt actually procced

[safe meteor]

Monarch doesnt get walled by Enty, is what i learned

[sharp wing]

Enty can even wall cancer, when counter procs into her Lucky E

[elder crane]

@ionic magnet Still want the setup?

[ionic magnet]

oh yes please

[elder crane]

I don't have Ibuki, what do you want on VG otherwise?

[ionic magnet]

hmm jint aur ykkz i guess

[sharp wing]

[elder crane]

I also have Aya or Sendai as possible options
I suppose no torpsticks then?

[sharp wing]

I spread Freedom

[midnight heron]

almost god roll kill meh

[ionic magnet]

yea just the usual defensive items

hate torpsticks

[coral wren]

i have an evasion one too

[elder crane]

Steel without either Wolfpack or Fire is 🚮

[ionic magnet]

those torp vgs has zero chance of surviving til 2nd torpwave

[elder crane]

she has like a 40% chance to roll at least one of them

[safe meteor]

do we have any clubs for the Nekos though?

am still wondering what the right Nekos are for my fleets

[coral wren]

same here

my steel in question

though idk which is better, bishamaru or lime

bishamaru goes all-in for nakaga

[elder crane]

Oh man that's a good justice
her pool is pretty garbo so I'd call that a highroll

[ionic magnet]

oh jint aya ykkz is better i think? not sure actually

[coral wren]

i'm a little disappointed by the fp one, but it could be worse

[elder crane]

Aya is more pressure on main fleet, Aurora is more pressure on VG

your choice

[coral wren]

idk of the lime though, i've got good reviews on it but it's too bong-dependent

and the main fleet AA ruins it

[ionic magnet]

alright just aurora then

[coral wren]

i mean, it could be ASW 🤷

[elder crane]

that's fairly decent Lime but not amazing

Lime pool is on the better side of average

[coral wren]

so out of these, which are the best, justice and bisha?

[safe meteor]

btw, is there a way to have diff teams in pvp saved?

[elder crane]

on the other hand literally best starting setup pound can get is Royal Officer/BB Officer/BB FP

[ionic magnet]

since my losses are mostly cos of jun early death

[elder crane]

I'll have to check in a moment

[safe meteor]

there are two big things then to make my life easy

1. Faster movement spd, like the one in the Balti/Alabama event
2. more saved fleets for pvp

they got the option to save Neko teams, i want that for pvp

[sharp wing]

Well, 2 fleet offense setups would be good

[elder crane]

Okay should be set now, I think
do you think Lead Jint can get away with Bulge/engine? or should I still want +500 HP aux on her

[ionic magnet]

also i was forced to reset twice by a ykkz lead

[sharp wing]

lmao

[ionic magnet]

bulge engine should be fine

[sharp wing]

what's yuki Ai pattern tends to be?

[ionic magnet]

gotta get those boilers

[safe meteor]

how useful is Engine though? i hardly use that thing

the Ai is so dumb, they run IN the torps

[sharp wing]

u need boilers to avoid shells and bombs

[vague token]

im pretty sure if you dont run +16 speed

you cant escape shelling

assuming like a spread of shells around the center of your vg

[ionic magnet]

idk pattern seems to be the usual random running around

[sharp wing]

1 boiler compared to 2 is heaven and earth

[safe meteor]

alright

i try that

[vague token]

also note that boiler is being boosted by beaver

[safe meteor]

so whats recommended?

i never seen a pvp guide that explains how much spd you needed

[vague token]

well

[sharp wing]

well, u need 2 boilers for 2 cl 1 dd setup in general

[vague token]

+16 is like a minimum

i like +24 cause i use CAs

[safe meteor]

ooh i try that

[vague token]

+32 is hilarious

[ionic magnet]

i removed everything i can remove to put 3 boilers

[vague token]

but usually gimps you

[safe meteor]

lets see how that works

[sharp wing]

ca needs +1 more, unless it's sanrui

sanrui has built in boiler, lul

[elder crane]

So about @coral wren 77th percentile Bish and 85th percentile Justice by my estimates

[vague token]

+32 speed will get rekt by formidable comps

[safe meteor]

but, what if you face the 818, does that work still?

[vague token]

cause you have no hp

xD

818 has to hit you first

[ionic magnet]

boiler + bulge for lead
boiler + pearl for mid
boiler + FE for nanoda

[safe meteor]

the torps ?

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

yeah

so with sufficient speed

you can just run away from it

[safe meteor]

but isnt it more likely you hit it, with more spd?

[vague token]

no

[sharp wing]

well, i run pearls + bulge mid]

[safe meteor]

because how dumb the ai is

[vague token]

if you have no speed

you cant escape

and you might run into it

if you have speed

you have a chance to dodge

or run into it

it's obvious which scenario is better

[sharp wing]

better having speed, than not having it

[safe meteor]

alright

[elder crane]

Oh, 91th Percentile lime apparently

that's a bit surprising

[safe meteor]

i underestimated the value of spd then

[coral wren]

@elder crane how do you get these numbers?

[vague token]

like you dont need +32 speed

xD

[sharp wing]

lol

[coral wren]

don't tell me there's a calculator for offnyas

[ionic magnet]

hmm takes a while to get this updated

[vague token]

double boiler ykk is hilarious but then formidable says hi

or big seven fire

[safe meteor]

right

[elder crane]

I have a custom python script that evals cats based off some assumptions, their initial pools, and my personal evals of each talent

[coral wren]

oh, that's quite useful

[safe meteor]

i need........ T3 general parts

[coral wren]

which ones are worth rerollins for?

[safe meteor]

to upgrade me some extra boilers

[ionic magnet]

oh you should eval my op oscar

[coral wren]

i guess justice for +3% dmg, bishamaru as well?

[elder crane]

Justice Percentile Chart

Lime

[safe meteor]

oh btw, aboot Bishamaru, do you need just 1 carrier in main fleet, or can you also run some BB/BV/BC for that 3rd effect?

[elder crane]

Bish

[coral wren]

quite neat

[elder crane]

x-axis is a "performance" metric
y-axis is the estimated percentile-distribution
orange dot is your cat

[sharp wing]

only 1 CV in fleet

her 3rd lvl skill is useless basically

[ionic magnet]

hows this one?

[coral wren]

better than mine at least

[safe meteor]

that -3% sounds nice

[coral wren]

mine only has the ironblood buff and +11fp for the bbs iirc

[sharp wing]

those % damage buff/reduction skills are op

[ionic magnet]

also this

[coral wren]

btw, do they stack?

[elder crane]

what's the starting skills?

[coral wren]

the 2nd is more BB-focused

[elder crane]

this is a starting skill eva

[coral wren]

it's going better with bisko/tirpitz

[ionic magnet]

hmm all three are starting skills but i forgot the levels

[coral wren]

i guess i'll keep rerolling bishamaru 'til i get the +3% dmg

since i use nakaga so much in pve

[safe meteor]

do you sink gold into neko boxes?

[coral wren]

nope

only rerolling from time to time when i feel like it

[safe meteor]

i dont really get the reroll thing

so it can change those random skills you started with, and the pool you can pick from?

[elder crane]

first Oscar

91.5 percentile by my estimate

[coral wren]

no, the reroll changes the level-up talent

you can't change the ones the cat started with

[ionic magnet]

oh cool

[coral wren]

so if you get something you don't like at lv5 you can change it

[safe meteor]

ah i see

but i prob should start to find one with good skills starting off?

[elder crane]

Waaaaait

[safe meteor]

need like 4x the same Neko to max that skill?

[coral wren]

yeah

[elder crane]

soulful warrior was starting skill, right?

[ionic magnet]

yea

[safe meteor]

so i just wait till my 4th SR before i decide rerolling prob

[elder crane]

if so then EN wiki pools is incomplete again XD

[ionic magnet]

im just levelling the existing skills so far

[elder crane]

argh that means my first eval is off too

gimme a sec, updating my stuff

[ionic magnet]

[safe meteor]

i gonna take a break for now

[coral wren]

i love this little diagram program

it's just so fun to see the results based on the cats

[ionic magnet]

these cats are taking forever to raise