pvp

[vague token]

na i just put a line at the top

https://gyazo.com/3fcae4e378246ada6f0408b65d5736f7

ez

[sharp wing]

but yr oath reload values are for 9%

lul

[vague token]

what

[sharp wing]

Enty at least

that's why i'm saying

[real notch]

OwO what's this? @ionic magnet

[vague token]

oh, that's just a typo

i did 1.12 on the rest

[real notch]

i was just contributing

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

ok

[real notch]

to the pvp guide

like i always am

uwu

[ionic magnet]

[sharp wing]

need formie and foxes there tho

[vague token]

dont you have edit permission

[sharp wing]

maybe Soryuukai

[vague token]

you can add ;)

[sharp wing]

Nah, i don't have

And i don't do not paid work

[trim horizon]

[vague token]

X_x

[sharp wing]

go go Kiro

U can dew yeet

[vague token]

le sigh

[trim horizon]

me FGO player

can't help

[vague token]

wish i could script something to grab data from AL wiki

but we dont have real databases lul

[sharp wing]

manual labor

[real notch]

yes

[sharp wing]

[ionic magnet]

what happened to you @real notch
dont remember you being a memer

[real notch]

do manual labor for me

[ionic magnet]

[real notch]

[vague token]

[real notch]

LOOL

[sharp wing]

[real notch]

wdym memer

i am offended

[ionic magnet]

LOL

[sharp wing]

U l00d planes

[ionic magnet]

thats a compliment

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

where is plane girl gacha game

[sharp wing]

in the works

[vague token]

oh

[sharp wing]

I think 1 was already releaseD?

https://project-ceris.com/

this one is in the work

But i saw something else

[vague token]

ah

[trim horizon]

I don't see anime girl

[sharp wing]

[real notch]

[sharp wing]

lmao

[real notch]

btw i still help plebs with questions

i plan to not be memeing all the time

[trim horizon]

We try to help blebs too

[sharp wing]

There game called Ace Virgin

It has planegirls

[trim horizon]

PC components gacha

[sharp wing]

like planes kc

[vague token]

https://gyazo.com/3787847f4060f5745472fac06e4fd610

ok

anyone else?

[trim horizon]

[sharp wing]

Taihoe

[vague token]

aight

[sharp wing]

Zepp

[ionic magnet]

sara

[sharp wing]

[sharp wing]

Ezsex

Put the girl on the ground and step back

[trim horizon]

she useful

so she safe

[sharp wing]

[ionic magnet]

[trim horizon]

Illustri us

[sharp wing]

Add everything just to be safe

[vague token]

no u

jk

[sharp wing]

[trim horizon]

Yamashiro too

[sharp wing]

Make a notice, that ppl need to make own copy to use calc

[fierce field]

[trim horizon]

[sharp wing]

And hide referrence sheet

So they never find out

[trim horizon]

Hyuuga

[vague token]

ok

although to be fair

they can just view the hidden sheet on their copy

xD

[trim horizon]

spoon feed

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

ok i just got rid of the fancy one

with all the steps

xD

[sharp wing]

Also, what does actually game do with rounded numbers

[ionic magnet]

you forgot seafury/seafang

[sharp wing]

Like UI doesn't show 139.5

what 120 200 aff Enty shows in UI and what it actually calculates for example

if it shows 140 in UI, and will it take 140 in reload calc or 139.47

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

maybe numbers should be rounded

cause that's 0.03 sec diff

in airstrike reload

I'd just take UI values

cause we operated ui rounded values in the 1st palce to calc 12%

[vague token]

i know some games dont round

they only round the UI

but it still calculates properly when doing the actual math

[sharp wing]

I mean, then u need calc from defualt stranger values

But Wiki only states UI 100 AFF values

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

So i'd just round to UI values at 200 aff

[vague token]

i mean people can round for themselves xD

[sharp wing]

Looking at Formidable slot eff, game certainly operates not integer values

I mean, they can't in this case

[vague token]

oh i mean like, the difference between unrounded reload and rounded reload

is like

nothing

in grand scheme of reload

[sharp wing]

well, in most cases yes

around 0.03 sec

I only noticed difference cause i used rounded values in my calc

so it was like .46 vs .49

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

ok back to burning tickets

if someone else wants stuff added they can add it themselves ;)

[trim horizon]

[sharp wing]

^ Akagi chan

[ripe latch]

[sharp wing]

Not a single ryuu drop today

At least another game farm was total success

[vague token]

o.o

[vague token]

i dont understand why downes only wears the sunglasses while in a bath object

[still minnow]

why are you using downes tho

[vague token]

wut, the mahans are great

they're budget phoenix when you need to pad that evasion stat

[still minnow]

F tier waifus

[sharp wing]

they are top tier botes tho

[still minnow]

irrelevant :D

[sharp wing]

And cassin kawaii

[vague token]

i think they have charm though

[sharp wing]

shut in girl

[still minnow]

I think they are charming in the "kid that's actually fun to play with" sense

as opposed to the... other sense

[sharp wing]

well, got -1

tix

Time t rest this season too

[hot creek]

looks like xy's trap card did more than just -1 point

[midnight heron]

Tfw can't rush cuz ppl don't move

[coral wren]

Did they srsly do this

2 630 core data

Im kinda set to getting admiral of navy this season

then another typical rush start in the first days of next season

[vague token]

[still minnow]

So I'm ready to start farming for reppuus

and just to make sure I'm not missing anything...

war archives doesn't have clearing mode?

lmao

[smoky elk]

nah, the 2 cores-mailing is faulty, it's actually only 1 (630)

[elder crane]

First mail is bugged, yeah, it's not logged serverside

[blazing scroll]

What happened here?

[sharp wing]

I actually thought maint is this reset Time get back to reality

It was Tuesday yesterday

[vague token]

lul

[vague token]

avrora so dead i got someone behind me at 5/10 right before this reset lol

[coral wren]

Oh so 2nd cp mail is fake

Gotchu

[forest lake]

What yall equip on ykkz

[meager dawn]

pyoko-pyoko for 100 luck

[forest lake]

So pyoko and oxy torp?

[ionic magnet]

boiler/intelligence chip + fire ext

is the standard set up

[elder crane]

If you can stick 2 +spd elsewhere without much loss, Box/FE is an option (still arguable though)
Otherwise the speed definitely matters more than that bit of HP

[midnight heron]

finally juneau 120 after 10000 years

[trim horizon]

Not using Jun for w12

[fierce field]

[trim horizon]

http://prntscr.com/ph0zja

gr8

[sharp wing]

that's jp skin tho, not tw skin

school uniform

[trim horizon]

yeah I mean York skin too

and there is Unicorn spring skin

[sharp wing]

well, nothing important

[trim horizon]

yeah

there is no need to buy a skin for a corpse

[sharp wing]

New furniture, need get that medal

[sharp wing]

1 Ryuu bp left and 280 oil

[coral wren]

I have 2 oxytorps on my yuki

she needs no evasion. Only casuals use those

[sharp wing]

eva would be more meme tho

[coral wren]

i can stuff 2 +10 rudders inside yuki's butt and watch the dodgefest

its boring tho. I swapped it back

[ripe latch]

2 dildo

[sharp wing]

U cannot put 2 rudders on 1 bote tho

The thing is eva at those values has diminishing returns, basically most useless thing u could put

And buki is not fat

She's wholesome

[real notch]

how are you lolicons doing

[sharp wing]

[blazing scroll]

So it's okay to use Enty with rudder and SG

[sharp wing]

If only CVs could SG

[trim horizon]

Kiz box

[sharp wing]

stats are worse tho

[ionic magnet]

so really no mikasa this week

ded gaem

[sharp wing]

[trim horizon]

Kasa on TW rn

[sharp wing]

I think jp/cn will perma her w/ retro

they already had 2 re-reruns

[trim horizon]

Unchanged rarity

Just +40 aa

[sharp wing]

She needs like 2k at least extra hp

and 100 fp

[real notch]

holy shit bois

[sharp wing]

ye ye

[trim horizon]

Fanart

[real notch]

i know

[trim horizon]

[sharp wing]

that's old

[real notch]

yostar hire this guy plz

[sharp wing]

no

i dun like her

[trim horizon]

Dish made a bunch of fan ships

[real notch]

dude she's amazing

[sharp wing]

that face

[real notch]

"Oya , so you are my new admiral ? I am Yamato , Empress of the wave . What an honour .... for you"

[sharp wing]

[real notch]

holy shit

if she said that

new waifu

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

U masochist sir

[real notch]

[vague token]

lul

[ripe latch]

eagle meta is back?

[sharp wing]

[sharp wing]

[real notch]

wait when is asndy kai coming out

[vague token]

sandy kai is already out

[real notch]

[trim horizon]

Anniversary

[south ore]

mikasa isn't on tw yet, will be after update in 11 hours

[ripe latch]

[real notch]

what hte shit

really

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

And u missed

[trim horizon]

It was one of the part of EN anni

[real notch]

the fuck

BUT I ASKED IF I MISSED ANYTHING

YESTERDAY

AND ALL I GOT WAS "formidable"

[sharp wing]

U said PVP relevant

[real notch]

sandy kai is PVP relevant though

wait? unless?

[sharp wing]

[ripe latch]

[trim horizon]

Jun enough for AA

[real notch]

ya wat are you guys smoking

sandykai is still PVP meta

[sharp wing]

[real notch]

just checked aristya's guide

[sharp wing]

In yr dreams?

don't check pleb guides

[ripe latch]

see sandy kai = free win

[trim horizon]

She doesn't dishout anything relevant

to be considered meta

[real notch]

wtf

oh no i was there for that one

[ripe latch]

[real notch]

i got the rental skin

and used it for a glorious day

@foggy token how is sandykai in PVP meta atm? just doublechecking

[vague token]

owo

[sharp wing]

PVP time

[trim horizon]

[sharp wing]

grab popcrn

make yr bets

[silver root]

dis gonna be gud

[sharp wing]

We had another pvp EN relevant tierlist

[vague token]

it's too bad all the aa in the world doesnt do anything to big seven smashing your face in

but at least they're fixing armor

my mid sara can tank now

[trim horizon]

[vague token]

xD

[trim horizon]

[real notch]

mid sara

[sharp wing]

Begone memer

[real notch]

or mid

[vague token]

sara has 1k more base hp than owari da

[sharp wing]

not no 8 sec perfect eva

which equals to like half hp

[vague token]

eh, that doesnt trigger during anything important though

[sharp wing]

during second barrage

well, mostly against other cvs, that are not foxes

[real notch]

well

that triggers for nagato

if they have 406mm

[vague token]

which is like barely anyone

[real notch]

and probably 410mm

[sharp wing]

it triggers for second barrage w/ HSFCR

w/ 381

amagi

or nagato

effectively halving yr damage received

[vague token]

unless it goes longer xD

[sharp wing]

and cuccs ryuu proc

I'm lvling enty in pvp now

[vague token]

plus i like my DoT ignoring damage reduction so

[sharp wing]

Cause using 200 aff bote in pve

Rings should be just waifu thing

[trim horizon]

are you sure

[real notch]

wait

is there a 2nd HFCR

no because that's USS event right

[trim horizon]

we have only 1

[sharp wing]

Only CN has 2 hsfcr

cause only CN had OG run

rerun was global for all other servers

and 1st time for others

hsfcr and vf-17

[ripe latch]

on event farm 533mm?

[sharp wing]

which event

[ripe latch]

graf rerun

[sharp wing]

gold quads

[ripe latch]

yeap

[vague token]

good luck ever getting 15

lul

[ripe latch]

[sharp wing]

i'm at 6

sp half way

[trim horizon]

Im just gonna farm Graf Spee again

[sharp wing]

she is reward and build

[trim horizon]

yeah reward

free Elite

[sharp wing]

[ripe latch]

free 4 medal

[sharp wing]

Sprat is whatever anyway

[vague token]

i was at like 58/60 battles

=/

[trim horizon]

If you slave her to do commission

108 gold

[sharp wing]

Too distracted by pc games atm anyway

[trim horizon]

FGO grind

[silver root]

I just read up airpanda's pvp guide

[sharp wing]

[silver root]

its written like akaga is the top tier meta in CN/JP/EN

sandykai in every comp

[sharp wing]

[trim horizon]

non updated

[silver root]

replaces nanoda with sandy kai in namaryuu

[sharp wing]

troll guide

[trim horizon]

Daxam higher than me

by 3 pts

[sharp wing]

I missed 1 tix

[trim horizon]

phxf said he retired for this season

6 pts

[sharp wing]

I enjoy my ladder pvp, grab yr place and sit there for a week

[real notch]

well they did update it for FDG

shouldn't be outdated

[sharp wing]

just meme

[silver root]

they threw FDG into a KMS comp and that's it

[sharp wing]

[silver root]

the whole guide is written like youre playing AL pvp on a spreadsheet

[sharp wing]

Imagine having KMS on tierlist

[vague token]

lul

[trim horizon]

Hiryuu alone can solo Foxes

[silver root]

zero discussion on actual gameplay mechanics

just, "you see akaga? bring AA"

[sharp wing]

lol

200 iq plays

[vague token]

bring aa, more like just have hiryuu win

xD

[real notch]

Well its a guide for plebs

Maybe they just want to be told wat to do

[elder crane]

Now that I think about it, it's funny, what I saw
So right now, Formi flood (in EN at least) is bugged (in the same way as fires) and only ticks twice base (which means it's very 🚮)
But, I think it can instantly refresh itself, since Formi slv10 is two waves of skillTBs, allowing for 3 ticks
I haven't noticed fires doing the same thing, but tbf it's hard to notice it since for fires it'll be 4 ticks vs 5 on enemies
So, I'll need to test that, and see if Essex has the same issue (but arrrrgh Essex is going to be annoying to test with her long flood duration....)

[vague token]

the positioning on essex torpedos is also different

they're clumped pretty tight

[elder crane]

Essex flooding torps are linear right, or are they staggered too?

[vague token]

they're linear just really tight spacing

two sets

but they dont always have a gap

[elder crane]

if they're linear then on stationary targets I'm expecting to see that floods last expected ticks - 1

and none of that Formi stacking shenanigans
unless you stack Essex strikes, maybe

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

Essex torps are like ryuu torps?

iirc

[vague token]

no they're cuda

oh you mean her skill

they're in like a vertical line

6 of em

hiryuu torps can have weird distributions

[sharp wing]

yeah

so it's same as formie

formie has 2 6 torp lines that can stack whatever

even clip

or full screen

[elder crane]

and they're a bit offset

[sharp wing]

formies are diagonal

[elder crane]

Essex stacks hers

nah they can be linear too

the two waves are offset a fraction of a second though

[sharp wing]

well, formie sometimes stack too

but not on regular basis like essex

[elder crane]

I think it has to do with the plane targeting thing

since formi has 6 normal TBs as well and Essex only has 2

[sharp wing]

depends how many enemies

and where

on event boss she mostly puts both waves tight on each other

[sharp wing]

-Did you get your Ryuusei?
-Yes.
-What did it cost?

[vague token]

im at 46 ryuusei bps

not sure what to do with them

[sharp wing]

[trim horizon]

give em to charity

[sharp wing]

gib

i want some

[vague token]

i would but =(

[sharp wing]

i need 3 more ryuu at least

[vague token]

oh, got my 4th staag

=D

[sharp wing]

[real notch]

dafuq

[sharp wing]

I only get CA guns that i dun use

[ionic magnet]

still 14/15 ryuu and i can only farm again 2 hrs before maint

[vague token]

rip

wish i could send you mine xD

i dont use ryuusei lul

[ionic magnet]

tbh i dont also

but could be useful is EX modes

[vague token]

i suppose it would be good to have like

4 or w/e

for ex

[ionic magnet]

yea

[elder crane]

I just need it for Suruga EX, yeah
I want to use Formi/Ark

[vague token]

maaaaaybe 5

but i dont do EX modes usually so xD

[ionic magnet]

im so close to tryharding suruga ex then i realised i needed levelled subs to compete

[vague token]

[silver root]

cant wait to test out VH armor tomorrow

heavy armor hiryuu/sara

[mild spruce]

that part of the equip is bugged apparently

it doesnt change armor type like it is supposed to

[silver root]

yeah its getting fixed in tonight's maintenance

[smoky elk]

but change to heavy armor means more vulnerable to torp dmg?

[silver root]

20% reduced damage from big 7 and amagi barrage tho

[smoky elk]

fair trade with/against namaryu

[silver root]

rudder might still be better but we will find out tomorrow

[vague token]

armor amagi might be better when the enemy is using cuda

since she can outduel non-armor amagi

but armor hiryuu prevents early final counter snipe

so tough choice

[silver root]

armor amagi sounds pretty sick

[real notch]

sounds pretty thicc*

[sharp wing]

sg+armor might work, so prolly much worse than rudder, but on Amagi HSFCR + armor w/ no eva...

A very questionable move

[elder crane]

It's not that questionable
Rudder vs nothing is a ~20% increase in eHP (<20% decrease looking the other way)

so vs BB shelling armor and Rudder are almost the same
vs suicide armor is worth more cause it has the raw HP too
and ofc it really mitigates Amagi/Nagato barrages
just worse vs torps and bombs (and KGV)

[sharp wing]

rudder can also negate fire by not making you take shot

[ionic magnet]

why not just slap both rudder and armor

[sharp wing]

no acc

[ionic magnet]

just gitgud at coinflips

[sharp wing]

might as well double sg and sg+hsfcr for proper coinflip

[ionic magnet]

do namaryuus even need more defence

[elder crane]

Amagi on def is very focusable

[ionic magnet]

youd have to ditch sg/hfcr for armor

[sharp wing]

i run amagi sg+hsfcr cause when she misses that hurts more

[elder crane]

for offense though, not really

cause offense you usually just have Hiryuu take focus

[ionic magnet]

amagi on def is already barely doing dmg

[sharp wing]

[ionic magnet]

vs heavy armor i mean

[sharp wing]

lol

ofc 60% damage

even on off

worse when she mises tho

[elder crane]

might as well give up on it entirely then
and yeah that's a good argument, def amagi is often tanked by something that somewhat negates her dmg

for off the only reason I see to run it is in the mirror if their Hiryuu runs armour

[sharp wing]

How much u care for def tho?

[ionic magnet]

maybe on hiryuu then to prevent early final counter?

[elder crane]

then run armour on own Amagi and duel

[sharp wing]

i wanted to try beaver armor hiryuu, but armor was bugged

then again, does hiryuu really need sacrifice damage for more protection on off?

[elder crane]

Basically,
current meta
lv1: armour on Hiryuu, then focus their Hiryuu down first
lv2: armour on Amagi, then win duel, while negating the advantage of armor Hiryuu
lv3: armour on Hiryuu, then focus their Hiryuu down first, negative advantage of armour amagi
etc.

Well I'm still an advocate of Rudder Hiryuu for mirror

[sharp wing]

at least foxes will be happy to armor,after they wipe vg, can bomb and torp yr heavy ship

[ionic magnet]

<still kinda salty centaur cant equip armor

[sharp wing]

heavy armor cvl

[silver root]

foxes will lose to hiryuu in all scenarios so i mean

[sharp wing]

well, they win somehow

[silver root]

unless they running torp memes for that RNG toss

[elder crane]

on offense they can stand a chance

[sharp wing]

even on defense foxes reduce namayuu to ryuu in counter, on offesne they sure can win

[elder crane]

on defs it's looooool
last time I lost to one was when ykkz somehow soloed my entire team
even if I lose 2 ships to torpmemes right off the bat it's still a win

[vague token]

torp memes still most dangerous for me

mostly because cl bonus almost negates defense penalty

xD

[sharp wing]

ded Junie big down on wr

oh, u run balti or some crap?

that prolly get bombed hard

[vague token]

avi damage isnt a big deal

just torpedos

xD

[sharp wing]

i mean bombed by torps

[vague token]

oh, na

[sharp wing]

i actually find offtank junie def pretty funny

[vague token]

essex + baltimore buff means planes arent a big deal

unless you catch all ryuusei

[sharp wing]

i mean vg torps

[vague token]

oh

yeah it's pretty rng

[sharp wing]

but nanoda mid is

[silver root]

i cant get balti to work well

CAs that arent sanrui are just so gimped in pvp

[sharp wing]

that's why u don;t run them

aside buki

[silver root]

i swapped over to Birmingham for now and its been a blast

[vague token]

120 baltimore has been doing fine as long as vanguard isnt driving right into shells

xD

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

and then they wiggle in the radius

[sharp wing]

U know what will be my meme ca? Suzu-chan w/ single 150mm barrage spam

Rerun when

Where all the fuccing EN reruns

[vague token]

never

[sharp wing]

a year

almost

[vague token]

they going straight into the replay thingy

true evil

[sharp wing]

i mean... Spee

spee was after 2 other events we need reruns

[vague token]

spee is a smol event though

[sharp wing]

I don't even count fw

[vague token]

xD

[sharp wing]

DC was in December 2k18

then amagi new year

they spammed events like w/ 10 days breaks

now we can't get rerun for almost a year

well, then plebs whined we get events too fast and they also slowed pace..

Now they want to sync servers

They are consistent in their inconsistency

now yeet this Sprat as a snack till we figure out what the hell we gonna do

actually these 3 annis in a row w/ global activities fucc up schedules pretty hard

[vague token]

oh

i just saw armor break

for the first time

baltimore broke nagato's armor

lul

[sharp wing]

Yeah, but did anyone shell her after that?

[vague token]

actually amagi was shooting at her

funnily enough

such rng

shoulda made her skill work on all armor >_>

still waiting for my ap dive bomber

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

so like

does the ap dive break stack with normal armor break?

since it has its own rules

or did they just spaghet

[sharp wing]

it's 25% + high rng to not miss in the 1st palce

single bomb per plane

[vague token]

i mean

that's better than standard armor break

lul

[sharp wing]

that is if u can make something shell it after u break it

[vague token]

i mean

sara is so slow

someone will recharge after her

;)

i just want two of them

so i can have sara with 6 ap dive bombers

for max breakage

[sharp wing]

fuccing waste of damage

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

break vg for extra 8% shelling damage for 6 secs

[vague token]

hmm i wonder if sara's CA gun skill counts as shelling damage

or some weird thing

[sharp wing]

it's ca fire

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

but who knows

[vague token]

🍝

[sharp wing]

it's should be just ca gun in code

so nothing special

[vague token]

i mean it should be

but it is yostar

xD

[sharp wing]

it's not yostar

[vague token]

everything is spaghet

[sharp wing]

it's chickens

[shy hazel]

[sharp wing]

Yostar just copypastes

[shy hazel]

pso2 anime is better than al

[sharp wing]

ewww

[shy hazel]

lul

[sharp wing]

I didn't even watch it

[shy hazel]

its a v good adaptation

i think youll like it

lol

[sharp wing]

adaptation maybe

but not as itself

[shy hazel]

animation is good too lol

almost no quality issue unlike al

[sharp wing]

good anime tiddies graphics is not main thing about anime

[vague token]

hmm there isnt even a matching eagle gun that is a twin 203 HE

[sharp wing]

[shy hazel]

best part is

[vague token]

to base sara/lex guns off of lol

[shy hazel]

ppl who will die really died

unlike al bullshit

[vague token]

people die when they are killed

[shy hazel]

kaga should be dead

[sharp wing]

Who needs anime

[vague token]

too bad kaga failed

akagi went crazy after she retro'd to CV

[sharp wing]

They should let event artists make anime

that art is precious

[vague token]

still waiting to see what the anti-siren ijn faction is gonna do in the plot

needs to show everyone who the strongest is

[ripe latch]

well , on another server yuki first ssr

[ripe latch]

5/10

[still minnow]

I do recall saratoga's CA gun having special fire modifiers

it's something like 0.1x normal fire damage

I don't know where I saw that though

[vague token]

that's magical prank

the torpedo bombers

[still minnow]

since when do torpedo bombers start fires lol

[formal yew]

nagato + bunnies or nagato + foxes?

[ionic magnet]

foodie

haven't really seen any nagato+bunnies yet

[vague token]

same

[ionic magnet]

but afaik they are p much on par with foxes

[formal yew]

hmm weir isnt bunnies more alpha damage after kai

[vague token]

only memers will do that on avrora probably though

[ionic magnet]

[formal yew]

welp ill stick to bunnies for now then

[vague token]

cause like the people who use foxes

already want the speed

not the consistency

xD

so why would they bother swapping

[formal yew]

ye guess that makes sense

[ionic magnet]

i remember blue said bunnies are meta in cn

just not sure when exactly

[smoky elk]

bunnies are for every-5secs harafudas after airstrike harrassers, between Soryu's divebombs and Hiryu's torps lane

[ionic magnet]

but eh i'll just stick with foxes too if i already have them maxed

[formal yew]

i currently have all 4 on 100. so im at te branching point i guess

[ionic magnet]

whats funny with bunny retro skill is that my own fighters can harass their backline also

whenever their planes go out my own fighters counter them

and its not like bunnies retro skill torps hit

[smoky elk]

imagine double counter-fighters (with 500lb bombs) from bunnies

[ionic magnet]

so its a double edged skill p much

[smoky elk]

my Soryu still 103

[ionic magnet]

well having hiryuu is always a plus

soryuu tho not sure

[trim horizon]

Hiryuu can solo foxes so

[smoky elk]

may be because lack of apparent Nagasorhi encounter yet, ppl gonna still attach to Amagi than Soryukai

[vague token]

ive had precisely 1 time where essex shot down one of hiryuu planes (as opposed to someone else)

from the skill

xD

[formal yew]

amagi? u mean nagato amagi hiryuu?

[vague token]

maybe i should move reppuu to essex so her fighters are first

and vf to sara

[ionic magnet]

yea you better do nagato+bunnies for science

[smoky elk]

still hard to assume what potentials the nagabunnies can do over nagamaryu

[formal yew]

i havent tried nagamaryu yet. but since i havent kaid soryu ill try that out thanks

[smoky elk]

deffleet is typical nagamaryu, but atk-fleet is "various sums to counter-nagamaryu"

[uncut parcel]

I wanna try using Taihou with Nagato

I can experiment with stuff

[ionic magnet]

welp still 14/15 ryuusei and out of oils

[smoky elk]

u may farm ryuusei in d3 of VDiR archive

[ionic magnet]

research got this

[smoky elk]

if rng favor u , sure

[formal yew]

why do u guys use amagi in pvp i dont get it. her barrage cant kill main fleet right

unlike hood barrage if it gets the nasty

[ionic magnet]

eh they got comparable barrage dmg actually

and amagi has this annoying eva buff and BB-tier fp

[formal yew]

oh.

[trim horizon]

Hood stats growth

[vague token]

amagi barrage has secret anti medium armor modifier

and the aimed part is the highest base damage in the game lol

[ionic magnet]

she is hood but with improved stats and two extra skills

and she's ijn so she can be buffed further by nyaga

[uncut parcel]

I'm trying to do a USS + IJN fleet
Does this work?
Enterprise + Nagato + Essex
San Diego/Helena + Ayanami + Yukikaze

[smoky elk]

worth a try on atk-fleet

[serene saddle]

Angry Heavy CV instant mvp

[uncut parcel]

I can try going for Enterprise, Hiryuu and Eldridge on defense fleet

[smoky elk]

I had tried this as atk-fleet, it could unbeleivably took down few 13.5-14k Namaryu defenders

[uncut parcel]

Enterprise + Nagato + Hiryuu
Eldridge with 2 +10 Toolboxes + Ayanami + Yukikaze

[serene saddle]

Formi supporting the other 2 carrier so they hit

[uncut parcel]

Let's see how this will go as a defense fleet

[serene saddle]

Eldridge is food

[smoky elk]

kinda semi-vg-annihilator

~~but i assume it would be horrible as def, so i use typical namaryu as def

[serene saddle]

My def fleet is same as my atk fleet

[smoky elk]

hiryu and enty survival made me through many encounters

[silver root]

i run Enty + hiryuu + essex / Juneau + Birmingham + yuki right now

it's got a 80%~ish win rate on attack

[smoky elk]

same

[silver root]

vs. namaryuu and akaga

[smoky elk]

^

[uncut parcel]

That's why I wanna try it out as a defense fleet
Enty always procing will do major damage while being invincible. Hiryuu will be invincible if she's about to die for 15 seconds. If eldridge procs her skill the vanguard will be invincible for 10 seconds, while all IJNs are buffed by Nagato

[smoky elk]

more headache when there's eldridge

[silver root]

before we get too far into the discussion

do u have amagi

[smoky elk]

asking who?

[silver root]

either

[smoky elk]

i do, as my Namaryu def

[uncut parcel]

Nope since I joined mid nagato event

[silver root]

spicy

[uncut parcel]

My aim for defense fleet is evasion and making your ships invincible

So that's why I wanna try this USS + IJN setup

[silver root]

just remember to add amagi whenever CE reruns in the future

[smoky elk]

def fleet, i feel like stallers-vg are more practical

[uncut parcel]

Yea lol

[silver root]

u should add jesus tho

[smoky elk]

jesusprise?

[silver root]

no juneau

the heal is insane on both attack or defense

[uncut parcel]

I can decide between Juneau or Eldridge

[silver root]

plus she is USS so she procs essex

whats ur vg again?

[uncut parcel]

I'm planning to setup a defense fleet like this:

Enterprise + Nagato + Hiryuu
Eldridge with 2 +10 Toolboxes + Ayanami + Yukikaze

Mostly for experimental reasons

[silver root]

if u want to run torp memes on def id probably use jintsuu instead of eldridge

[smoky elk]

may be if u switch Ayaya with Sheffield

[silver root]

get that nagato buff + torp buff for aya + yuki

[uncut parcel]

Eldridge's invincibility skill is scary

vanguard is invincible for 10 seconds

[silver root]

it starts with a cooldown

[uncut parcel]

Yea

[silver root]

eldridge was originally meta because her skill timing lined up against enty launch

so she countered enty

but nagato + foxes will launch before her timing and will do enough damage to delete her on the first strike

[uncut parcel]

I think Enty and Hiryuu will work fine. If enty always procs the atk fleet is done for, if she dies there's always hiryuu with her second life

[silver root]

sheffield is a good choice too, more consistent than torp memes or eldridge

[uncut parcel]

I'll try her once I got her

[silver root]

enty+hryuu+nagato will work fine, i used to run that before essex

vs namaryuu youre basically betting on enty tanking amagi's barrage with lucky E, which is like... 50/50 success rate

[vague token]

https://gyazo.com/886e4fe6ef24860a97ea7289f1e49269
time to start farming pvp for exp

this is true eagle power

(armor/rudder amagi)

[silver root]

ballin'

[smoky elk]

with fixed Vh armor, armored Enty will shred more light

[silver root]

that's gonna be a lot of boilers

[uncut parcel]

Heavy Armor enty

[smoky elk]

heavy armoring = more resistance to shells-barrage but more vulnerable to torps dmg

[silver root]

vg torps usually dont reach ur backline unless its torp meme RNG or you've already lost

heavy armor will make u take more dmg from airstrikes tho

[vague token]

wut, defense torps hit your main all the time

the only time it doesnt is if your vanguard uses up their magnet

[silver root]

my vg usually soaks up the torps

[vague token]

lul

[silver root]

u dont really have to worry about torp dmg from juneau so the only torps u gotta watch for is yuki

[smoky elk]

aerial torp and divebombs also deal slightly more dmg to heavy armor than medium one

[vague token]

huh, birmingham's evasion skill isnt bad actually

also, formidable flood does indeed stack with essex

ticks for about 250-300 or w/e with 500 avi

at 105

[silver root]

ppl are really sleeping on birmie

[vague token]

i mean she's another cleveland class

[silver root]

her + VH Armor on any medium flag will tank big 7 for days

[vague token]

birmingham has a bit less stats than cleve but gets actual skills so xD

[silver root]

obvs shes not as thicc as sanrui or neptune, but she brings a lot of goodies to a USS comp

[vague token]

10% chance to increase evade by 40% when hit should proc enough

auto evade at 30%

potential to nullify a big seven

burn reduction on herself and flag

while alive

xD

[silver root]

cleveland stats and AA

[vague token]

she trades 5% aux efficiency for 10% aa efficiency

and if a plane dies in the circle +15% fp/aa

doesnt have to be her shooting them down

now i gotta get em to 120

xD

long road

X_x

[smoky elk]

indeed

[vague token]

also using 818/albacore formidable with cuda essex

puts SO many torpedos

on the screen

it's hilarious

[smoky elk]

i use a slot of 818 on Formi and the rest tb slots on all other carriers are all gold ryuuseis , for homing shakkles of ded

[vague token]

xD

essex torpedos are better for pressuring BBs with her 10% mod

than nuking vg

who will already be flooding to death

xD

[smoky elk]

i used Essex too, before 120ing Hiryu

[silver root]

i traded out formie for hiryu

the triple ryuusei memes were fun af but theres nothing more consistent than meta cancer boats

[vague token]

see, my reasoning is that people with use armor poorly, which means double cv with cuda focus

will trade better against the heavy backlines

especially with flood ticks

and since some people will get baited in to armor amagi, they'll reduce her damage output a lot without understanding why

which is just another easy target for double cv

the vanguard, eating double flood ticks, will just wither away over time

i hope we get an eagle CA that has support skills someday

that work on everyone

_>

[smoky elk]

sometime i replaced Zara with Wichita for the need to punch through vg quicker, doesn't care if got withered by backline

[vague token]

baltimore is surprisingly decent at hitting vanguard

i swapped back to sanrui gun and it does a lot better cause of vt

ap sanrui gun doesnt miss as much cause of the projectile speed

and since she has the highest aux gun efficiency outside of london mle hits like a truck

using her 270 base fp

[smoky elk]

if u switch essex out for anynon-eagle at backline then Balti become gun-blazers

[vague token]

i wish you got like a reduced buff in either direction

like smaller fp/eva boost when supporting a CV

7% or w/e

[smoky elk]

unless using CV boost-meme-vg like Sirius+Benson+Balti

[vague token]

i was using sirius/balti for sara/essex/amagi

but since formidable is 105 im getting her some xp

[smoky elk]

[vague token]

and trading sara for formidable means i need 3 eagle vg

xD

[smoky elk]

need 3 other eagles to catch her at the choke point

[vague token]

alternatively let baltimore buff non-eagle cvs at a reduced rate

[smoky elk]

then Sirius become obsolete

[vague token]

na, sirius has hit rate

[smoky elk]

right

[vague token]

baltimore is the More Avi (15 vs 10) but no hit rate

more personal damage, less survivability

[smoky elk]

i have Sirius 118 on standby replacing Zara if needed hitboost

[vague token]

but with formidable i dont need hit rate boost as much

cause ships wont dodge the bombs

xD

[smoky elk]

i use Sirius when against tanky Saint Louis

sometime, timely Sendai's flashbanged and yeeted by namagi barrages kinda frustrating

[trim horizon]

how do I beat Portland

[smoky elk]

use Indy against her

VH plating is a double-edged armor if not properly issued in and out by opponents

[ionic magnet]

finally last ryuusei bp dropped

[smoky elk]

gz

[ionic magnet]

but at what cost

forgot to switch back my attack fleet

[trim horizon]

[smoky elk]

no pain no gain

[empty grove]

[trim horizon]

need to curse Phoenix

[formal yew]

i tried hiryuu first time in pvp and her red skill doesnt even hit even if the main fleet is left

[hot creek]

already got rekt last season, thats not gonna happen again

[trim horizon]

Saggy fell for my non geared HMS

[formal yew]

isnt th aimed

[ionic magnet]

yea its mostly there for crash dmg

free dmg is free so

[formal yew]

welp being aimed would make it do more dmg

[trim horizon]

you said you wouldn't tryhard this season

[midnight heron]

make hiryuu more broken

also just got 2 dace in a row on alt but still no u81

[smoky elk]

[vague token]

so just void out yorktown?

[midnight heron]

lul regen skill

[vague token]

=/

why must you be so mean

[midnight heron]

might as well giv her full hp back after she proc counter

[vague token]

like maybe if hiryuu triggered at 30% and was evade

not invuln

xD

[blazing scroll]

Gib me Enty retro for quadruple dmg

[midnight heron]

new meta

[vague token]

enty retro doesnt add stats except luck

Extra Lucky

[blazing scroll]

She already has insane luck

[vague token]

first ship over 100 luck lets go

[midnight heron]

increase proc chance of entire fleet based on luck

[smoky elk]

nightfighter skill for Enty (irl upgrade)

[trim horizon]

Enty-kai get lifesteal

[smoky elk]

Enty-kai basic Lucky E minor upgrade, first 1-2 launch always proc

[blazing scroll]

Or just upgrade the % with 30

[hot creek]

Can't stop tryharding, its in my blood

[smoky elk]

what about , also proc on death , invulnerable for 8 secs

[blazing scroll]

Imagine 2 enties fighting but none can miss a procc

[trim horizon]

I started as a loser this season

Daxam is higher 3/4 pts

[blazing scroll]

But with double dmg

[hot creek]

oh hey cyneko, you datamine the game right? could you perhaps tell me if there was a way to collect leaderboard data?

I tried to packet sniff, it gave me leaderboard positions and names but not scores

[trim horizon]

I love those random free 1 euro from google

got enough gems for Centaur ring now

[blazing scroll]

Google gives money?

[smoky elk]

[blazing scroll]

The only thing google throws add me are ads

[trim horizon]

actual rng

I spammed it for about 4 days

[hot creek]

sign up for google play rewards (might be US only tho).

[blazing scroll]

[trim horizon]

opening the shop n closing it

[blazing scroll]

Xy is 🍝

[trim horizon]

Italy

[hot creek]

they start tracking you hardcore and ask you survey questions in exchange for store credit

worth

[trim horizon]

here they just give me like a 1 euro discount

[blazing scroll]

Those kind of things

[trim horizon]

rng

[blazing scroll]

I see

Rather spend that time on something else

[trim horizon]

instead of farming 7-2

spam the shop

[blazing scroll]

Working earns me more I think