pvp

[vague token]

i prefer it having no cap

on the node one

[sharp wing]

I want to see what they do with Mikasa

She will be damn hard to fix

[vague token]

i dont see why her fp/node should even have a cap

inb4 she gets sheffields shield

protect all ships with less hp than herself

xD

[sharp wing]

She will need like 50% hp buff tho...

[vague token]

/has barely any hp

[sharp wing]

that's impossibru

If she gets 2k Hp buff at least

[surreal locust]

does anyone have a strong Eldridge?

[sharp wing]

"strong"?

[vague token]

define strong

[sharp wing]

lol

[surreal locust]

120, oathed

[vague token]

oh, no

[sharp wing]

many ppl do...

but she is not strong...

[surreal locust]

like who

[sharp wing]

I see few on def fleets, but i won't tell you names from memory period

what server u even in

[vague token]

i havent seen a single 120 eldridge on defense fleet

lul

[surreal locust]

Washington

what about anyone in this channel?

[sharp wing]

oh

wash is another matter xD

[surreal locust]

I just wanna see how quickly can she fire her barrage

[sharp wing]

ehh

just math it

[vague token]

oh, that should be easy to math

[sharp wing]

lol

lmao

[surreal locust]

is that so

[sharp wing]

that's simple

[vague token]

one moment

what gun

do you want

76 or 100

[sharp wing]

244 reload w/ 120 200

76 probs, tho for pvp usually 100mm

[vague token]

ill just do both

[surreal locust]

both plz

[vague token]

whew abs cooldown is half the cd of the .76

lol

[sharp wing]

yeah and it has 0 vt

100mm has 0.1 vt

global cd cuccs dd guns on high reload botes hard

76mm 0.67+0
100mm 0.96+0.1

Her barrage deals same damage to all armor types too lol

[vague token]

7.6 seconds on 76mm, 10.8 on 100mm

i think

[sharp wing]

[surreal locust]

her barrage is triggered every 10 shots

[vague token]

yeah

[surreal locust]

so shouldnt it be 6.7 secs

[vague token]

no

that's before reload

[sharp wing]

qwhy would it?

[vague token]

after reload the base cd is around .51

for the 76mm

[surreal locust]

ohh

[vague token]

but then you add the huge abs cooldown

which completely destroys it

.26 is added to all destroyer guns

more than half the reload modified 76mm

dear god that abs cooldown just destroys 76mm lol

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

the reload is barely a factor

like if you dropped her to 180 reload

you add like .4 seconds to total barrage timer

[sharp wing]

Well, high reload has diminishing returns

[vague token]

all reload has diminishing returns

square root bois

[surreal locust]

does this only apply to pvp

[vague token]

no

[sharp wing]

it's same for anything

[vague token]

reload formula is all modes

[sharp wing]

guns reload in actual combat include 4 stages
IntervalBetweenVolleys = DelayBeforeVolley(acquiring target process) + VolleyDuration + DelayAfterVolley + ReloadTime

Global Cooldown = Delay before and after volley

combined

since it's same for any gun of same type

Global cooldowns just constant for each gun type DD, CL, CA

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

On top of that on actual ship the ship's reload stat is taken using square root....

w/ reload stat into account on Eldie 76 is 0.709 actually

100mm 1.006

[vague token]

you get .44 from weapon cd times the root formula?

cause i get .51

[sharp wing]

Sandy ppl of culture

[vague token]

(200 / (100 + 244)) ^ .5 * .67

?

[sharp wing]

reload root is sqrt(200/244+100)

0.67 without global cd

add global cd

[vague token]

dont you add that after?

[sharp wing]

why

[vague token]

because it is independent of reload

and the weapon cd

it isnt affected by reload

IntervalBetweenVolleys=DelayBeforeVolley+VolleyDuration+DelayAfterVolley+ReloadTime

[sharp wing]

then VT too

[vague token]

oh, yeah that's easy to add after

[sharp wing]

well, then

[vague token]

yeah that gets me my original value, .77

(200 / (100 + 244)) ^ .5 * .67 + .26

[sharp wing]

well, ye

[vague token]

ok xD

[sharp wing]

and for 100mm w/ volley time after

1.09

Since if we follow it like this, vt also constant for each gun not affected by reload

[vague token]

yeah

[sharp wing]

Now that u think of it, long VT guns are not so fun

[vague token]

yeah

abs cooldown also not fun

[sharp wing]

for DD at least

[vague token]

yeah cause it's a 50% penalty for 76mm

[sharp wing]

qeq

[vague token]

compared to slower guns

[sharp wing]

yeah

Only CL guns make good use of reload buff

[vague token]

x_X

[sharp wing]

It's their main DPS aux after all

autoloader

[vague token]

we need more cooldown adjustment aux

[sharp wing]

gold reloader

[vague token]

eh, overlaps with hpfcr

unless it's 4% like beacon

but on all shots

[sharp wing]

but u can sue it on vg

Also you will still get more use of HSFCR on 2-3 shots battles

since it's straight - reload time

unlike reload under sqrt

[vague token]

xD

yeah

reload cd skill on dd gun

ULTRA FAST

[sharp wing]

Ultra cucced by global cd

[vague token]

maybe an item that reduces abs cd?

would be funny

[sharp wing]

Well, i liked running my mahans w/ Mles and their reload procs

anyway

[vague token]

i would if i had more than 1

[sharp wing]

well, that is like coded

[vague token]

X_x

[sharp wing]

idk if actual 2 parts of global cd are ALL different for each gun type, or maybe 1 part is same too

like target acquiring

how would it differ

take into account irl weapon rotation speed lol

[vague token]

spaghet code fun times

[sharp wing]

Well, traverse speed is a thing ofc

So i will take that if it is diff indeed

ok ye

Target acquiring indeed different for different size of guns and delay after volley is same 0.1 for all

So it's just like reference to gun traverse time/speed

And VT ofc individual weapon constants

[still minnow]

saggy tary what are your top 3 waifus

watch yourself kiroshima or you're next

[vague token]

minne/dork/sheffield/phoenix/balti probably

for me

[still minnow]

sheffield scares me

the only shipgirl in the entire game that genuinely creeps me out

[hot creek]

sheffield good fem dom

[vague token]

she isnt that evil anyways

[still minnow]

sheffield seems more into neglect and chastity to me

of you, not of her

[vague token]

na, she just doesnt know how to express her own feelings

except with a gun

[elder crane]

Kuudere

Her higher aff lines make it quite clear

[still minnow]

helluva lot of kuu and not very much dere lol

[sharp wing]

yeah

not really kuudere

[still minnow]

I think formidable is a good example of kuudere though

[elder crane]

There's just a hint at higher affs for sheffie
And it's cuuuuute

[sharp wing]

kaga is

[vague token]

plus she doesnt want to murder everyone like all the yan types

xD

sheffield is far superior

[sharp wing]

I like my deredere anyway

[elder crane]

Well that's just Roon, and maybe Taihou
Akagi sec mission reveal that she's more of a softie than she lets on
Rest are more yan over you than potential rivals afaik

[vague token]

akagi is a softy but she is still possessive

[elder crane]

Ykkz's transistion to full deredere is greaaaat

[vague token]

like super possessive

[sharp wing]

akagi is more obsessive

[still minnow]

taiho's sec mission reveals that she's willing to do whatever makes the commander love her the most, so she'd probably quit being violent if the commander quits being a doormat and tells her to

[sharp wing]

Atago is possesive more i'd say

[vague token]

oh true

[sharp wing]

Akagi will never hurt you, but Atago creeps me out

I might end up chained somewhere

[still minnow]

I've never actually looked at atago's lines lmao

[elder crane]

And it's nice how since ykkz has a oath skin all her lines transistion to deredere

[vague token]

atago is definitely one of the dangerous ones

[sharp wing]

She's still bad doge

Atago is true possessive scary yan

[elder crane]

Yeah Atago would totally chain you up
More than Akagi, yep

[sharp wing]

Akagi is like harmless obsessive type

(harmless to you that is xD)

[elder crane]

Akagi acts all tough but she's actually somewhat a pushover according to sec missions

And in the comics

[sharp wing]

well, she feels like it anyway

tho it's not that obvious maybe

[still minnow]

taiho takes a lot of initiative but she doesn't seem too dangerous either (as long as you love her back that is)

now roon on the other hand...

[elder crane]

Roon's the only one that really goes full crazy

At least in the kill everyone way

[sharp wing]

You have to love her and only her tho

[vague token]

roon kills everyone just because

xD

taihou kills everyone if you dont pay attention to her exclusively

[elder crane]

Roon prefers the Yan over all else
She doesn't like you as much as being jealous over you

[vague token]

atago collars you

you are now owned

xD

[hot creek]

but have you seen angry Vicc

[vague token]

she plot

[trim horizon]

Tirpitz the underdog

[elder crane]

Alywin though is really nicely out of left field

The underrated yandere imo

[trim horizon]

talkin about Yandere

[elder crane]

If only the rest of her lines adjusted too to match

As you raised her aff

[vague token]

oh god that pledge line

get me outta there

[elder crane]

The VA is really good too imo

Captures the feeling very well

Gets me all tingly

[vague token]

oh god

that voice is big yikes

all the flags

[hot creek]

Vicc bulli Tirp

[vague token]

lul

neetpitz

[sharp wing]

qeq too big

[vague token]

[elder crane]

Like at first you think she's just Gridley but with Lex instead of Sara
But then, bam

[vague token]

i agree with that voice though

tingles of the get me out of here kind

[still minnow]

I get kinda sheffield vibes from victorious

like a really outgoing optimistic version of sheffield

[ionic magnet]

14.7k backline how

[still minnow]

(and I don't mean that in the good way)

[ionic magnet]

[sharp wing]

my wasd over 15k

[ionic magnet]

no i mean blue said his maxed namaryuu has 14.5k only

[sharp wing]

probably cata on ryuu etc.

mine is bit lower

[vague token]

or cheating on the namagi aux

;)

[ionic magnet]

[sharp wing]

i saw few naga w/ mle aux

it's really funny

[ionic magnet]

hiryuu only 117 too kek

[sharp wing]

double cata ryuu xd

[vague token]

in that comp hiryuu is the least of your problems lol

[hot creek]

Pearl on backline

[sharp wing]

double cata ryuu

also double SG has higher score over rudder

so it's like full SG and full catas

lol

[ionic magnet]

[sharp wing]

still getting 1653

[elder crane]

the new plate aux is also fairly high on power iirc

[sharp wing]

maybe that new aux

[elder crane]

and don't forget gold DBs exist, lol

[sharp wing]

but it's obviously unoptimized setup

[elder crane]

well afaik plate is still bugged soooooo

....yeah

[sharp wing]

not like plate better than rudder

[vague token]

did someone say gold dive bombers?

[sharp wing]

yeah..

[vague token]

https://gyazo.com/fc77a64b578da859519ca5f3101bb245

[elder crane]

Better for tanking Amagi barrages

[vague token]

[elder crane]

Are you serious

[ionic magnet]

i think he is

[hot creek]

Anti BB backline If only I had an enemy Nagato in my lobby for bully purposes

[elder crane]

Also get rid of that ugggggly "(retrofit)"

[vague token]

that's a good idea

[elder crane]

Do you know what pisses me off
you can't get rid of it on Cassin
cause Cassin is filtered smh

[sharp wing]

Magical Girl Sara

[hot creek]

EsSEX used to be censored too lol

[sharp wing]

ezsex

[elder crane]

At least they added exception for that

[hot creek]

still is, if you actually type it like that

[elder crane]

nah it's fine

just can't add more letters or punc directly after

so it's
Essex
Es***!
Es***Essex

[sharp wing]

15k

torp meme lvl

[elder crane]

14592 for me on Namayuu, so not that far off maybe
but I'm not sure if it adds fleet tech in PvP display still

yeah it still does smh

so yeah probs 14.5k then for a proper setup

also I keep forgetting Hiryuu is gold now

Oh right that means Sag, other peeps aren't seeing that 15k~

since on ladder it displays w/o fleet tech iirc

[sharp wing]

But i'm over 15k

how much fleet tech realistically will add

[ionic magnet]

around 100

[sharp wing]

[still minnow]

I'm kinda salty

I don't even have a single twin 127mm

and I want a lot of them

stupid game gives me lots of things that I don't want, but it never gives me the things that I do want

ree

[vague token]

/cries in single mle

[dusk stirrup]

[sharp wing]

I like my breadguns

127 is like Junie only...

bb aux breadguns

Dds...

i use the ones w/ 76

[vague token]

i just want mles for all my aux guns and mahans X-x

[sharp wing]

or 100mm pvp

siri also 100mm

[coral wren]

I prefer the 100mm.

[vague token]

oh and sandy

[sharp wing]

100mm is for pvp

[vague token]

need mle for sandy xD

[still minnow]

I don't like how normal ammo has like a 0.4x multiplier on heavy armor and refuse to use those guns

[sharp wing]

it's for AA dred

[vague token]

id use mle on sirius too

if i had one

xD

[sharp wing]

nah, siri barrage dps

[coral wren]

If you're relying on your vanguard to deal damage with guns you've already fucked up.

[sharp wing]

lel

[vague token]

sirius barrage needs to be lined up

[still minnow]

don't care

[vague token]

dd gun can aim anywhere

xD

[sharp wing]

siri will hit main or vg anyway

[coral wren]

Sirius is only there to make my foxes wipe the enemy vanguard on the first airstrike.

[vague token]

she still whiffs for me

[sharp wing]

lol, fox user

[vague token]

her gun damage does more work cause no positional requirements

[sharp wing]

sure

[vague token]

/also why baltimore does a lot of damage

xD

[sharp wing]

qeq

[coral wren]

I'm mildly tempted to start experementing with Siri/Aurora/Sendai by swapping out Yukikaze.

[ionic magnet]

its terrible

[sharp wing]

not like nanoda will save foxes from reset

[coral wren]

That guaranteed flare timed with the first airstrike should make an already devastating opening even more devastating.

[ionic magnet]

you think you'll win VG fights with that comp but you'll be surprised how much you lose them

[vague token]

if only flare positioning was guaranteed

_>

[sharp wing]

same as smke

also sendai won't add much after aurora, only if u fight CA

[coral wren]

Sendai would cancel out Bel's smoke, wouldn't it?

[sharp wing]

just run jint for more opening torp pressure

jint + aurora much better option

[coral wren]

Torps are a meme. It's all about maximizing the foxes.

[sharp wing]

Foxes are meme

[still minnow]

I don't understand relying on torps, from my experience they've been incredibly unreliable... is that not normal

[coral wren]

Foxes are doing like 90% of my damage.

[ionic magnet]

you wont have anything to maximize when your backline is exposed after 20 secs

[sharp wing]

Cause it's foxes

[vague token]

torpedos are reliable on defense and you arent using hiryuu

because frontloaded damage is negated by her

because mag torps waste less damage than all other damage types

[coral wren]

Can't expose my back line if yours is wa mou shindeiru.

[vague token]

and cls get 15% damage boost

[sharp wing]

lol

[vague token]

xD

[still minnow]

why do CLs get a 15% damage boost btw

[ionic magnet]

im not just theorycrafting here i actually tried all vg comps possible with foxes

[still minnow]

just makes CAs turbogarbage

[vague token]

magic

that's why

defense cls only lose 8% damage due to defense rules

because they get 15% amp and .2 penalty (multiplicative)

1.15 * .8

.92

xD

so jintsuu loses barely anything

on defense

the only reason torp is bad is because there are so many ways to lame them out

eg hiryuu just laughs

and big seven destroys most torp squad in one shot

[sharp wing]

torp squad doesn't mean meme gear

u know

[vague token]

shh

[still minnow]

meme squad

[sharp wing]

like u can run buki w/ rudder and bulge and she still does her damage

and tanks

[vague token]

true, although she probably does less than jintsuu

on defense

[still minnow]

I've been focusing on parrallel torps and gun damage just because I find torps to be super unreliable

[vague token]

more alpha but less on second torp

[still minnow]

with gold quints on all 3 of my vg they seem to miss more often than they hit

[sharp wing]

not really

[coral wren]

Ignore torps and guns. Put everything into airstrikes.

[sharp wing]

and get rekt

[ionic magnet]

and get cucced by nanoda sama

[still minnow]

anjd get cucked by enty?

[vague token]

ignore all that

[sharp wing]

cause it's not ryuu

[vague token]

use flood and burning

[ionic magnet]

crash dmg is the way to go obv plebs

[vague token]

flood and burning suffers no penalty from pvp mode

[sharp wing]

I mean do some ppl really think foxes are top tier comp?

[vague token]

and ignores dr skills

like nanoda

flood damage is clearly perfection

[sharp wing]

begone memer

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

[coral wren]

Nakaga is still top tier.

[sharp wing]

[still minnow]

from 1 to 10 how highly do you rate my chances to get top 1000 reliably with waifu comp

[sharp wing]

-10

jk

top 1k is joke

[ionic magnet]

i actually fought kiro last season and it came down to kgv vs sara 1v1

ofc the better shipfu won

[sharp wing]

crash damage still happens

[vague token]

look

my armor isnt here yet

sara should be able to soak all these bbs

[still minnow]

top 1k is a joke as in it's ez?

[vague token]

when i get my heavy armor plating

[sharp wing]

ye

[ionic magnet]

[still minnow]

is there a good reason for me to even bother trying to get higher than that

[coral wren]

If you're not top 250 at the end you're not even trying.

[sharp wing]

rank up rewards

[still minnow]

at what rank is the next rank up reward?

[sharp wing]

top 10 at 2.2k+ score

wait next

that's highest

[still minnow]

I highly doubt I'll be able to get top 10 lol

unless I come across some crazy anti-meta shit that nobody has figured out b4

[sharp wing]

top 1k, top 600 top 300 top 100

but u also need to have certains cores

[ionic magnet]

or just make sure your waifus are maxed and geared

[ionic magnet]

p sure top 1k is easy

[vague token]

top 1k should be doable just with sand bagging

[sharp wing]

u need to get into that rank range with that score

[vague token]

even if you use waifu fleet

[still minnow]

all my ships are below lvl 110 and some of them are below lvl 100 and I can still get to top 2000

so idk

[sharp wing]

u fish for mem fleets

[ionic magnet]

yea levels are a big deal

[sharp wing]

and u can get that 1k

or even higher

just refresh list if full of 120

[still minnow]

my waifu fleet seems pretty good at least though since I've got belfast and aurora

that's like 1/3rd of a real fleet already

[sharp wing]

My waifu fleet can top xD

[coral wren]

Does anyone actually use Belfast and Aurora together?

[sharp wing]

some

[still minnow]

<-- 8D

[sharp wing]

since using stall vg for foxes is well pretty pointless often... Those kind of ppl use many different comps

But in proper fleets it's Junie + nanoda so u won't see Bel+ Aurora

[coral wren]

TBH having the right ships is more important than having max levels.

[sharp wing]

not in pvp

[coral wren]

Even in PvP.

[sharp wing]

right ships at 110 won't win

wrong ships at 120 can

That's basics every1 knows

[coral wren]

Aurora eluded me for ages, so I was running Nakaga with Siri, Ayanami, and Nanoda. When I finally got Aurora and got her to 110, I switched her in for Ayanami and everything worked far better.

[sharp wing]

[still minnow]

yup I've found that lvl 120 fleets with shit/no equips will just pummel my fleet through sheer beef

[sharp wing]

that's cause yr foxes are 120

[coral wren]

Aurora still isn't at 120 and I'm having very little problem with anything I encounter.

[ionic magnet]

1 or 2 underlevelled ships can be carried

like how ppl use pvp for levelling

[sharp wing]

120 ships carry yr underlvled

i always lvl 1-2 ships

i run lvl 100 jint

[coral wren]

Personally, I'd suggest building the right fleet and worrying about levels later. They'll come with time.

[ionic magnet]

they are talking abt underlevelled comps i think

[sharp wing]

well, no

if u want to pvp, u use highest lvl ships

work on yr long term team in pve

[vague token]

level difference affects hit rate, evade rate, damage dealt, and damage taken

[coral wren]

You say that like PvP is anything more than a dick measuring contest.

[vague token]

so level is the most important

lul it isnt though

[sharp wing]

Hey, you came here to talk

[vague token]

it's a Sleep the Least level contest

xD

[dusk stirrup]

[sharp wing]

and talk nonsense

[still minnow]

is AA a meme in pvp

like the actual AA guns

not the AA stat

[sharp wing]

it's air damage reduction

[still minnow]

not the AA stat

[sharp wing]

well

[still minnow]

doing damage to enemy planes

[sharp wing]

u need reduce planes hp for less crash damage

[vague token]

if you bring a plane under 30% but dont kill it

you waste aa damage

[sharp wing]

u just need get it close to 30%

[coral wren]

I happen to be an expert here.

[dusk stirrup]

lmao

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

lmao

[ionic magnet]

oh boi

[sharp wing]

anther 1

[coral wren]

[sharp wing]

[ionic magnet]

someone enlighten and save him from darkness

[sharp wing]

no

let him amuse us

[still minnow]

what is going on rn

I am so confused

[ionic magnet]

[sharp wing]

rusher things

[coral wren]

They're jelly because I'm numbah wan.

[still minnow]

sandy is fucking trash

[sharp wing]

they guy has no idea how pvp actually works

But let him be

[vague token]

im pretty sure he does

[sharp wing]

troll?

xD

[ionic magnet]

maybe

[still minnow]

pretty sure it's me that you're desrcibing tho

[sharp wing]

[still minnow]

I'm the one with no idea how pvp works

[coral wren]

I know exactly how PvP works, which is why I used all my exercises right before taking a bunch of cold medicine and passing out for twelve hours thanks to having the flu or pneumonia or whatever it is I've got.

[sharp wing]

lol

[still minnow]

lmao

[coral wren]

I

I'm not gambling on waking up before the 6pm PDT or 12am PDT refreshes.

[still minnow]

alarms exist :D

[coral wren]

Not when you're fucked up on cold medicine.

[still minnow]

imagine setting an alarm for a dick measuring contest in a mobile game about collecting waifus

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

i mean, pvp has nothing to do with size or skill

just schedule

;)

alarm clock meta is t0

[sharp wing]

player vs sleep

[vague token]

bed is t4 at best

[still minnow]

okay so if I try to put isuzu in my pvp fleet to kill planes

that is stupid and pointless

[sharp wing]

nah

u won't kill planes with quadruple hp

[still minnow]

because she probably won't kill the planes and even if she did it wouldn't matter

?

[sharp wing]

she might kill 1-2

[coral wren]

Run 3 San Diegos.

[sharp wing]

as usual

but she herself has no other contribution

[still minnow]

1-2 planes doesn't sound like a meaningful contribution

[ionic magnet]

even sandy can only kill 1-2 so

[still minnow]

isuzu has better AA than sandy though I think

[sharp wing]

well, Isuzu tops sandy in AA pre kai

by far

even after sandy kai she is close

[still minnow]

isuzu kai when

[ionic magnet]

sandy buffs whole fleet AA tho yea?

[sharp wing]

sandy only wins a bit due to retro skills

[still minnow]

blow sandy outta the fucking water

[sharp wing]

sandy buff is rng too

[ionic magnet]

yea

but shes way more useful than isuzu

[sharp wing]

in raw aa dps sandy wins only due to retro skill

[vague token]

sandy is a dps ship with aa

isuzu is purely aa

xD

[sharp wing]

ye

[coral wren]

Yeah, well San Diego had the second most battle stars of any ship in WWII and Isuzu only makes second rate cabover trucks.

[sharp wing]

cheap aa bote

[still minnow]

girls without prior experience are better anyway

[vague token]

nothing can match 182 fp mgm+1 dd gun

[still minnow]

the last thing I want is one that's been around the block a few times

[vague token]

that's basically the best dps setup in the game

not even counting her barrages

since she gets her gun barrage and a timer barrage with 100%

xD

it's more like oh, and sandy also helps with aa

[sharp wing]

List is ded...

[elder crane]

tbf her gun barrage postret becomes fairly meh

[still minnow]

is it just me or is sandy kai like the best ship in the game

[elder crane]

since her shots-to-activate doubles

[vague token]

it has to

[ionic magnet]

best ship how

[vague token]

otherwise mgm+1 wouldnt make sense

[sharp wing]

well, she get's mg+1 for that purpose

[still minnow]

best at just being good

[vague token]

although you double your vt penalty

[ionic magnet]

i dont even wanna use sandy cos she spams her voicelines too much

[vague token]

xD

[still minnow]

in every situation

[elder crane]

She suffers a bit vs Med/Heavy still and is only okayishly tanky vs non-aviation
other than that, yeah, Sandyret is amazing

[sharp wing]

dd gun has higher dps vs Heavy than CL gun so

[vague token]

she still does more damage than every other dd gun user

outside of kitakaze

[still minnow]

I can't think of any situation where sandy kai is a bad pick

[vague token]

who has flat dps on all armor

[elder crane]

Yeah but you don't use CLs for DpS

usually

[coral wren]

Just wait until Boston enters the game and gets a retrofit.

[elder crane]

that's the CA's job, usually

[vague token]

it's more like sandy is the exception

[still minnow]

bro don't sleep on black prince

[sharp wing]

well, i do

[elder crane]

for vanguard
and sometimes vanguard doesn't DpS much at all

Main is still your main source of dmg in almost all cases
vanguard just chips in a bit and/or cleans up

[still minnow]

I wish barrages had the damage type of the equipped main gun :s

[vague token]

same

[sharp wing]

nah

[vague token]

normalize all barrage ammo kthx

none of that weiiiird stuff

like nagato normal ammo fire

or amagi anti medium

[elder crane]

yeah there's 0 reason to have that many diff ammo mods

[still minnow]

it looks so bizarre to have a ship firing 2 different ammo types as well

[vague token]

it's also confusing

[elder crane]

one of Amagi/Nagato mods is fine, since it's unique

but did you know Nagato has 2 different ammo mods in her barrage, both nonstandard?

[vague token]

xD

[still minnow]

sounds easy to balance

[vague token]

eh, it wouldnt balance barrages

it would make them easier to understand

without looking up a crazy chart

[elder crane]

and they fricken differ by 80/100 vs 100/80 on Light/Med
just make it 90/90 or pick one smh

both cause fires too so idk why mods are diff

[still minnow]

I mean it's ahrder to balance stuff when you've got like 3 unique damage types to deal with

[vague token]

3?

[coral wren]

Does Mutsu's barrage work the same way?

[vague token]

lul

[elder crane]

the shots are even the same base dmg to rub salt

Yep

[vague token]

meanwhile kgv and her torpedo gun

[elder crane]

Like that's fine

it's unique

[vague token]

na

just make her shoot actual torpedos

[elder crane]

SHS type mods too are questionable

"+10 vs all herp derp"

[vague token]

like, i would rather she shoot torpedos because it's clear what it does and what it uses

[coral wren]

Nagato/Amagi/Mutsu T0 when?

[elder crane]

just make the fricken base shots 10% more smh

yeah a diff visual on KGV would be nice

[vague token]

then just give her 400 torpedo stat

because then the effect

[elder crane]

in terms of what the shots look like

[vague token]

matches the stats

and the visual

perfect clarity

no confusion

[elder crane]

ehh idk
just make it weird colour/shape imo
cause it's arcing and arcing torps is ......

[vague token]

na, just make them actual torpedos

[still minnow]

fucking excuse me

[sharp wing]

It's rockets

[still minnow]

did you just say arcing torpedo

[vague token]

backed by 400 torpedo stat

[elder crane]

yeah rockets
that would work

[sharp wing]

KGV shoots "torpedo shells"

[still minnow]

what the fuck is an arcing torpedo

[elder crane]

80/100/130 mods like torps

[vague token]

kgv ammo modifiers use torpedo stats

[sharp wing]

U seen KGV barrage?

[coral wren]

Boston-Kai is going to be wild.

[elder crane]

arcing torpedo = rocket/missile

[sharp wing]

yeah basically

[vague token]

honestly if we ever get rockets/missiles

that would be the best way to handle them

use torp stat

[sharp wing]

yea

[vague token]

add new guidance type

[coral wren]

It'd be better to use AA stat.

[vague token]

make them "arcing" so they fly over the ships they dont target

[sharp wing]

they were non guided

[vague token]

i mean like

sub torpedos

arent guided

but they are aimed

you'd need a new ammo type for that

[coral wren]

I'm fairly sure there were wire and acoustic guided torpedoes in WWII.

[sharp wing]

torpedoes yes

not rockets

[elder crane]

in any case all the silly "herp derp I do 5% more to medium" or "herp derp I have 5% lower mods on everything" should just gtfo

[sharp wing]

we have guided in game

[coral wren]

The Krauts had guided ASMs.

[vague token]

no more fires from normal ammo please

[elder crane]

the more unique stuff like the heavy-weakness Amagi Nagato should be kept but standardized to one set of mods

[vague token]

i want my 100% consistency with the help tab

i mean they could add a new type of ammo

and state it in the skill

then add some guns

[elder crane]

and that too
AP should pen
HE should fire
Normal should neither

all three of those rules are broken smh

[vague token]

their help tab is 100% broken

[sharp wing]

You forgot thise one

[coral wren]

We probably won't see anything with missiles until Boston and/or Canberra are put into the game and given retrofits, since they were Baltimore-class CAs that got retrofitted into guided missile cruisers after the war.

[elder crane]

Eh that's just unique

cause its a sword

[sharp wing]

It burns + pens

[vague token]

HE does more or comparable to heavy than AP on 50% of gun classes

[sharp wing]

[elder crane]

it's a sword visually

[vague token]

that one is actually a sword

xD

[elder crane]

just called "AP" in files

[vague token]

a magic sword

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

that is also on fire

that's fine

[sharp wing]

A burning sword

[vague token]

when does phoenix get shining finger sword with her retro

that's what i want

[elder crane]

but have you seen the CL barrages?
they're all "herp derp +/- 5 mod on an armour type"
like AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
just fricken standardize, there's 0 impact....

[coral wren]

Wouldn't Phoenix's retro just rename her General Belgrano?

[sharp wing]

http://p8.qhimg.com/dr/400__/t01b5bc937b105be626.gif

[vague token]

lul

[elder crane]

like those I can get behind having unique mods

and conversely all who have those kinds of mods should have unique visuals

[vague token]

phoenix: this guy has acquired the abilities of the dark kansen with the help of SIRENSSSSS

xD

yeah

but it needs to say that in the description too

;)

[sharp wing]

There easy solution

[elder crane]

but AAAAAA
All the CL/CA barrage ammo are all normal with like "+5 to heavy" or "+5 to all" or "-5 to all" which is AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

whyyyyyyyyyyyy

[sharp wing]

Give each boat unique barrage visuals

[vague token]

well

you mean each class

barrages are usually sorted by class

[sharp wing]

some have unique

[vague token]

with exceptions for uniques

[sharp wing]

phoenix should fire fireballs

[vague token]

well yeah

[elder crane]

Like seriously what's the diff a 110/105/70 vs 110/100/70 makes
or even silly 100/90/60 but lol 10% more base dmg!

[vague token]

her hand burns with an awesome power

[sharp wing]

She burns her way through

[vague token]

its loud roar tells her to grasp victory

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

https://gyazo.com/98b3403bf9c2f44c256e860d9a0620fe

rip

[sharp wing]

Savage Helena

I want that

[vague token]

start building is great

xD

[sharp wing]

well, mine is qt too

[vague token]

oh phoenix is also brooklyn class

yeah her retro could just get phoenix class barrage with 100% fire

shoot flames

🔥

[sharp wing]

almost forgot about reset

[vague token]

already did mine cause list is dead

xD

[sharp wing]

Good there were foxes everywhere

good foodie

But this reset even more ded

163 10/10...

[vague token]

rip

[sharp wing]

i wouldn't even make 5/10 without eating 9s

[vague token]

lul

[sharp wing]

lol

[vague token]

just sandy problems

;)

[coral wren]

After the war Phoenix was sold to Argentina and renamed General Belgrano, where she did nothing but get sunk by a RN submarine in the process of fleeing from battle she never actually participated in.

[sharp wing]

qeq

and top 20 only got like 10 diff over me lol

[shy hazel]

[sharp wing]

need more foodies

[coral wren]

IIRC, Phoenix was the first ship ever sunk by a nuclear submarine.

[elder crane]

lol the heck
did I miss matches?

1099 10/10

[vague token]

uh

[sharp wing]

Just Sandy

1111

lol

[vague token]

xD

[elder crane]

normal then
since I had a lot of very bad resets

[sharp wing]

i'm having ded resets

u see how is ded

i'm 10/10...

163

[vague token]

it's been pretty dead on avrora still

[elder crane]

Avrora is no better

[sharp wing]

well you are 1k at least

[vague token]

i think after event ended

big burnout

[elder crane]

r100 is, what, 1117?

[vague token]

im at 1098 10/10

and i know im behind by like 15-20

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

cause bad bonus lol

[shy hazel]

did u lose rounds

[vague token]

nope

[sharp wing]

nah

it's fine score

[elder crane]

same
just sooo many ded resets

[sharp wing]

around 1100

[vague token]

im pretty sure cay is 15-20 ahead of me

[elder crane]

I've had 2 in a row do +0 to me

[vague token]

if i remember last time he score checked

[sharp wing]

I only got +1 this reset

previous think same

need global score check

[elder crane]

+2 +1 for me today I think

[vague token]

xD

global ladder

[sharp wing]

'check-in'

Make check-in

[vague token]

or add bot function

to discord

xD

[sharp wing]

owo i'm having rusher on list

[vague token]

too bad no game api

owo

[sharp wing]

nah, wait

[vague token]

man when do we get bataan voice

she is precious

[sharp wing]

i had that r20 before reset

she is... meh

[vague token]

look at her take care of that hellcat

xD

[sharp wing]

she's boring

[vague token]

eh, i dont need outrageous personalities all the time

[sharp wing]

she's not that qt...

she doesn't have much of personality

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

and taihoe will kill me

[vague token]

also highest torpedo bomber efficiency

for some reason

unless someone else breaks 150

i dont remember anyone that does though

efficiency not on ship table >_>

[sharp wing]

chaser 145 hermes kai double 140 bataam 155 highest i think

and ark double 140

[vague token]

yeah

[sharp wing]

ryuu 150

[vague token]

and using hellcat pushes her to 155 fighter

which is only beaten by graf zepp i think

but MeMe

xD

oh actually lower

120->150

[sharp wing]

taihoe 140 too

[vague token]

huh

[ionic magnet]

skk 150 also

[vague token]

bataan just has oddly high efficiencies

maybe it's a tech level thing?

[sharp wing]

dragon cvl 145 too

[elder crane]

it's a powercreep thing

[vague token]

wiki doesnt have tech level on it

=/

[elder crane]

they're trying to make 6 plane CVLs relevant

[vague token]

lul

[elder crane]

which is, hard...

[vague token]

you'd need 33% damage boost

to make them match 8 plane

[sharp wing]

Bataan is T4

lol

[vague token]

oh

that's weird

[sharp wing]

she is bottom

[vague token]

why are her bases so high then

that doesnt follow any of the rest lol

like baltimore is t8 you said right?

[sharp wing]

and she has ridiculous reload

[vague token]

which is why she has crazy bases/efficiencies

[sharp wing]

balti was most advanced CA of us at time

[elder crane]

It's just "newer release powercreep"

[vague token]

xD

[elder crane]

and in the end she just matches the weaker CVs

[sharp wing]

lol

[vague token]

i suppose that's nice

she's cheaper than them

lul

[elder crane]

(or CVs pretending to be CVLs)

cough the yous

[sharp wing]

looks at glorious

[vague token]

also 199 reload is pretty silly

[sharp wing]

they inevitably need to make at least somewhat strong units

it's how gacha lives

Or it will die

[vague token]

i still want to know

[elder crane]

AL has been fairly good on powercreep overall tbf

[vague token]

if independence boosts the efficiency of ASW planes

since she boosts the eff of All Eagle Planes

and ASW planes are technically planes

[elder crane]

I don't think it'll work
and in any case isn't her ASW stat actual trash?

[vague token]

does asw stat really matter?

depth charge base damage is huge

[sharp wing]

asw planes have no slot eff tho

[vague token]

and sub boss hp is tiny

[elder crane]

it works just like all the other offensive dmg

[vague token]

yeah, but the differences in asw arent from like 100-400

[elder crane]

and yeah it's very noticable on CLs

[vague token]

the highest on squishy dds is like 220

chaser only has 35 more asw

than independence

aka barely matters

xD

(skills do though)

[sharp wing]

chaser not highest asw tho

[vague token]

even bogue

the most famous asw cvl

hits 148

aka barely a difference from chaser

[elder crane]

So like Chaser will on base do 1/3 more than Indep

idk what you're looking at

[vague token]

na, part of that gets eaten up by the flat 100 in the formula

[elder crane]

chaser has 144

vs 72 of Bataan

[vague token]

i said independence

the one with the eagle plane skill

[elder crane]

oh lol

[vague token]

bataan doesnt have a generic eagle skill

it's hellcat only

independence is weird cause it just says all eagle planes

[elder crane]

Eh then it's just ~14% more

ofc skills are a thing

huh CVL spread on ASW is small

[sharp wing]

asw doesn't affect asw damage that directly anyway

[vague token]

yeah

the difference in asw between cvls is insignificant

compared to just equipping two planes

which are flat mods

[elder crane]

ehh it affects as directly as all other offensive stats....

[vague token]

and then going to town

[elder crane]

I adjusted for equiping planes already

for vanguard it does matter a lot more tbf
since their spread is larger

[vague token]

yeah

except that sandy is tankier than all the dds

and still has damage on surface

[elder crane]

And ofc we then have Laffey
fairly high ASW and just machineguns those charges

[sharp wing]

since charge damage is much bigger too

[vague token]

if we get more chapters sandy will be best

more hp

xD

can help clear adds

torp bulge

;)

[elder crane]

Ehh idk you can kill subboss in <30s anyways

not sure if survival much an issue

[vague token]

do we even have a 12-5

xD

[sharp wing]

z23 can crit charges too

[vague token]

im pretty sure i kill slow on auto though

[elder crane]

erm what

[vague token]

cause suboptimal positioning for charges

[elder crane]

Z23 just crits charges at normal rate

[sharp wing]

when she procs 100%

[elder crane]

100% main gun

[vague token]

sounds like a bug?

[sharp wing]

it affects charges

maybe a bug

[elder crane]

sounds like bug if true

not like they'll ever fix it

[vague token]

par for the course really lul

yostar spaghet

[sharp wing]

i run her in boss fleet

[elder crane]

but still the rld for laffey matters more, I think
cause lol +200%

[sharp wing]

well, boss dies before that even matter