pvp

[still minnow]

what

[vague token]

[coral wren]

i just choked on the hamburger im eating

im leaving

bye nerds

[still minnow]

uhuh

[split marten]

I want muh crane

gimmie crane

[blazing scroll]

Open some tech boxes

You'll get plenty of cranes

[shy hazel]

when will we have #anime-feedback

gotta roast this anime

[stark raft]

Well as long as the cgi isnt berserk 2016

it's good enough

[coral wren]

well, since it was announced who would be directing it and how they hired a lot of koreans to work on it that was expected

[still minnow]

I can't believe they had norfolk on screen for an entire 10 seconds

and managed to cram 2 panty shots into those 10 seconds

[shy hazel]

director bias

[still minnow]

that's actually impressive

[shy hazel]

the ho even had voice

other generic npcs didnt have any

[still minnow]

I'm surprised they made her a loli tho

she didn't seem like a loli to me ingame

[midnight heron]

she is tho

[still minnow]

nah just looks like a flat girl

[stark raft]

she's just a midget

[serene saddle]

Breaking a cancerous bunny fleet feel good

Fronline is nanoda + juneau + tankbuki

[coral wren]

Well, using namagi is the same cancer

[twin vortex]

[coral wren]

Eh, i have to say ryuu is better than cuda on cent after all

[stark raft]

just mix and match

[coral wren]

Did it. Double cuda feels like shit, even tho i'm not using aur rn with kgv

[stark raft]

Well x2 Ryuu sometimes shoves it to a dead mid or hits VG

Don't know how to make it split to flanks

I guess x2 Cuda for non KGV teams

[hot creek]

All in on cuda is sometimes decent.

dat phat crash damage.

makes me wanna 120 Ark Royal so I can run more cudas

[sharp wing]

Imagine crash was affected by slot eff

[midnight heron]

basically just buffing cv at dat point lul

is there even cv with <100% effi

[sharp wing]

Said ark has 80% eff db

[midnight heron]

well insignificant

and prob the only exception

but it wud make messerschmitt more op i guess lul

[sharp wing]

elaborate

[midnight heron]

cuz no bombs

u rely on crash anyway

so make it better

and u get faster launch

[sharp wing]

lol

Also, Zeppy is closest in low eff, she has 100% on her mixed slot

rest has at least 105% i think

and that's only that collab CVL

[elder crane]

Ark is DB slot....

[midnight heron]

so yea still same conclusion it basically buff all cv

[sharp wing]

I said it's DB

[elder crane]

Also Me155 crash dmg is trash

Yeah ik meant Ark can't run Me

[sharp wing]

He was just saying in general i think

[midnight heron]

inb4 they create db without bombs

[sharp wing]

We only have DB without AA guns for now

[elder crane]

Well Me crash dmg is trash so

[sharp wing]

But Fulmar basically has no bombs

[elder crane]

Like almost 1/4 of Reppu

[midnight heron]

wat do u call db without bombs tho

[sharp wing]

I call it Fulmar

[elder crane]

Fulmar crash dmg is good though, for a DB

[sharp wing]

[midnight heron]

"a joke"

[elder crane]

About same as BTD crash dmg, a bit higher than SB2C, iirc

[midnight heron]

damn

[elder crane]

At ~200 vs ~180

[midnight heron]

time to use fulmar for fast launch

im assuming crash is affected by avi rite

[elder crane]

Yep

[midnight heron]

so if u wanna meme just put gold planes with the highest crash

[sharp wing]

Actually that core AP dive bomber has more than double crash damage of any DB, lmao

480 crash

highest before it is 210 on that event plane w/ double 1k bombs

firefly

[elder crane]

It's a Barracuda after all I guess

[sharp wing]

It beats even bara

"armored"

wait, bara same 480

looked at hp

[midnight heron]

time to prep for crash fleet

[sharp wing]

yeah, in aux stats it's identical to barra

speed, crash, hp, aa

CN wiki with their image tables

asked 2 times EN team to add other stat to planes comparison table... Half of them didn't know what is crash damage and stuff, so obviously none did anything

[midnight heron]

[sharp wing]

ENtitled

Degeneracy

[midnight heron]

degEN

[sharp wing]

[ionic magnet]

@coral wren you did atleast 10 fights for cuda and ryuusei?

[coral wren]

I think it was more than 10 due to many resets, lmao. Cuda got stalled like fucking hell, crash dmg wasn't enough to take out amagi or nagato by 3rd strike and they just shelled my backline every time. With ryuu torps it was more often when i could break through and kill nagato asap

[ionic magnet]

3rd strike? 1 airstrike leaves namaryuus at ~30-40% hp already and thats with juneau already procced

you're using oil tanks right?

[coral wren]

Well, mine first airstrike doesn't kill em but i suspect that's due to lack of aurora. Kgv must be missing some hits

Ofc, oil tanks+cata/rudder

[ionic magnet]

well aurora is prolly the biggest difference yea

she just lets me delete juneau even before 1st airstrike almost half the time

yea im using oil tank+rudder/beaver also

[sharp wing]

You run QE tho?

that might explain difference in airstrike power

[ionic magnet]

me? no no you know I love my kgv

[sharp wing]

well, idk then

[ionic magnet]

yea

[sharp wing]

file readers?

[ionic magnet]

juneau dying before 1st airstrike is a big deal it seems

[sharp wing]

lel

[ionic magnet]

also is ykkz skill permanent?

[sharp wing]

yes

wait

[ionic magnet]

[elder crane]

Not her heal

[sharp wing]

till she alive

[meager dawn]

What can you use against namaryuu if no amagi?

[coral wren]

file readers my fucking ass

[ionic magnet]

the 15% backline protection?

[coral wren]

[elder crane]

Nagato Dragons

8%

Not 15, that's fortune

[ionic magnet]

oh wait its 8?

[sharp wing]

ye

8% + zombie

[elder crane]

Yep 8% dred+10% heal

[sharp wing]

flank def is bigger with no heal

[ionic magnet]

ok so that buff is perma?

[elder crane]

Shouldn't be

[sharp wing]

At least not heal

[ionic magnet]

says on wiki "while alive"

[sharp wing]

that's yr answer then

[ionic magnet]

[elder crane]

Without Amagi either run Nagato-Dragons or go HMS I would say

[ionic magnet]

implying wiki can be trusted always

[sharp wing]

Like PVP has 20% attack buff

[meager dawn]

HMS doesn't run QE right

[elder crane]

Well it says that ingame
Ofc lol at trusting skill descs too

[meager dawn]

[sharp wing]

If u have KGV

[ionic magnet]

qe is an option but not a core anymore

[meager dawn]

I have kgv but not leveled

[coral wren]

hms also beomes hard to obtain with all those event ships

[sharp wing]

U need to decide what u will run, cv setup or bb setup tho

Cent will be good in both anyway

[coral wren]

kgv, formi. Shit rolls for cent, long way to level up monach

[elder crane]

Idk if you have formi then wishing well cent, just add QE to that and it should be good

[sharp wing]

qe/kgv

QE Formie Cent/ KGV Formie Cent
KGV Cent Mona etc.

[elder crane]

In any cause Nagato Dragons imo the more trustworthy team
That's been pretty extensively tested to be not quite as good as Namayuu

[ionic magnet]

nagato

[elder crane]

Well he said not amagi

[coral wren]

limited, yeah

[sharp wing]

Well, dragons also need work, i'd say decide on what u need less work

Also Nagato more long term tbh w/ future Azuma and Amagi rerun

[meager dawn]

I don't have amagi

[sharp wing]

Rerun is not far

[elder crane]

Hopefully

[ionic magnet]

i dont have nagato

[elder crane]

Oh lol so that's why you're memeing so much

[sharp wing]

lol

[ionic magnet]

[elder crane]

You run KGV, right, Hoo?

[ionic magnet]

yea

[elder crane]

Yeah it was you then

On defense at least KGV doesn't do shit vs VG

[sharp wing]

def prolly QE CVs superior

[ionic magnet]

yea kiro said smth like that also

[elder crane]

Went like 5 rounds and KGV landed a solid hit once
And still proceeded to not really do much

[ionic magnet]

but she does so well in offense

[elder crane]

Positioning diff and secondaries probably

[sharp wing]

probably ppl dun give her credit cause she succ on def and they dun bother w/ off

[elder crane]

Offense main fleet is closer

[ionic magnet]

like she will hit VGs at least once every match

[elder crane]

Offense has shorter flight time to enemy VG

Makes hitting more likely I would think

Also secondaries are a thing

With 3 BBs secs do like 1/3 of enemy VG in ~25 s, lol

[sharp wing]

buffed namagi deals a lot

they hit vgs for 300 and acc buff helps

and nepguns penetrate too

Anyone actually tested Nakaga vs Amakaga at 120 vs cancer, who performs better at 120?

Nakaga on def so much superior

[coral wren]

I don't really see secondaries do much work on offense

[sharp wing]

well, try removing them for 1 match

they do few Ks damage on vg regularly

that is with nepguns

We need detailed damage graphs

[ionic magnet]

yea prolly the shorter flight time. in any case, kgv is still the tankiest of all hms BBs so shes still the best choice imo. def is just too disadvantaged so most comps dont do well there with the exception of a certain ijn lineup

[sharp wing]

inb4 enty forces u to reset

[ionic magnet]

or be like me and just straight up lose to owarida

[sharp wing]

Def rolls are rigged

[ionic magnet]

nepguns do around 2-3k dmg per match i think

thats half hp of 1 VG

so its p good

free dmg

[haughty flare]

the hell...
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/536671634334023715/629649249885487114/MuMu20191004150102.png

[sharp wing]

U got trolled

[meager dawn]

cancer fleet

[ionic magnet]

lol

[sharp wing]

[meager dawn]

i feel attacked by that guy's flex

guaranteed 5s time waster tho

[ionic magnet]

did he just buy skin dupes

[meager dawn]

[sharp wing]

Hiryuu will make you waste more than 5 sec anyway

[meager dawn]

pretty sure you can use the skins you bought on any ship

[ionic magnet]

even on dupes?

[meager dawn]

except oath and retros

[sharp wing]

yes

u can put skin on 100 ships

[ionic magnet]

[sharp wing]

it's perma item

[ionic magnet]

i always thought its 1 skin 1 ship

[sharp wing]

U cannot even buy skins more than once

lmao

[ionic magnet]

[sharp wing]

I actually never seen any game do that

That would be like super cashgrab garbo

[ionic magnet]

how can 2 ships wear the same dress

im just following normal logic here

[sharp wing]

It works like this usually

U get infinite supply of the skin u got

[ionic magnet]

bamboozled

[twin vortex]

[midnight heron]

oh yea tw server opened today lul

[sharp wing]

qeq

Who is publisher?

[midnight heron]

read a bit about it but forgot lul

[sharp wing]

This thing i guess

[midnight heron]

now if they make the yama art free

[sharp wing]

PWB Play Entertainment Corp

wdym

[midnight heron]

looked like they were getting some yama art

[sharp wing]

[midnight heron]

||https://i.redd.it/fucn2nx4lhq31.jpg||

[shy hazel]

tw what

al tw?

china gonna assimilate taiwan soon

why even put other server

[sharp wing]

there actually a lot of games w/ tw servers

AL tw publisher also publishes tw HK3

[midnight heron]

ic

[sharp wing]

Funny how AL is rate 12+ while HK3 15+ lmao

[midnight heron]

12+ cuz age lowered by presence of lolis

[sharp wing]

Ak global prereg achieved 50k...

lame numbers

[midnight heron]

time to join them

[sharp wing]

[trim horizon]

AL TW

[grim ember]

Is nagato hiryuu souryuu a viable setup? I got no managi or kagabb

[sharp wing]

It's viable...

[blazing scroll]

Scuffed foxes

[sharp wing]

foxes that u won't have to reset as much, but slow fights

[ripe latch]

[sharp wing]

[young trout]

Ok, General isn't answering me

[midnight heron]

||degeneral||

[young trout]

How much does the game speed up when both vanguards die?

[midnight heron]

said to be 300% + 300 rld

[young trout]

300%

So fun fact

Enterprise during that mode has an effective 24s of invulnerability on-launch then

[midnight heron]

well sorta

[young trout]

Because her timer doesn't accelerate

[midnight heron]

same as hiryuu anyway

[young trout]

It's still 8s realtime

[midnight heron]

thing is projectiles/planes fly at same speed as well

[young trout]

Yeah, but 24s of effective invuln

The window to damage her becomes effectively 2-3s

Unless she gets unlucky

[midnight heron]

well dats just how it is

[young trout]

Which let's face it, it's an enemy Enty in PvP

That's not happening

[midnight heron]

u find ways to kill her before all other ships die

[young trout]

Not with KMS you don't

[midnight heron]

or just use enty urself and prepare for reset heaven

[shy hazel]

[young trout]

KMS has no targeted burst

They're a grinder fleet

[shy hazel]

go raise your little e

[young trout]

And Enty eats them alive

[midnight heron]

its precisely y kms isnt on a tier list

[shy hazel]

if u want anti enty

[midnight heron]

or rather they at the bottom

[young trout]

fkn rip

[midnight heron]

kms lacks gud barrages till friedrice comes along

[shy hazel]

kms has nothing

to offer

even roon is bad

in pvp

fdg in the future

but the things youll have to do to get her

lol

[midnight heron]

quit life & farm al

[sharp wing]

The thing is reload formula has square root, so that 300%+300 reload not even 3x boost

Also skill times doesn't change

[young trout]

Skill times not changing is why Enty is so broken

Because every timer is faster, but her invulnerability window is the same

[sharp wing]

It not faster every time

[young trout]

So her reload is way faster, but she's still invulnerable for 8s

[sharp wing]

it has stable speed

[young trout]

So she's extremely extremely hard to punish

[midnight heron]

yes we understand but the only thing u can do to counter it is to change ur fleet

[young trout]

It's a bug

[midnight heron]

or just dont fite enty

[young trout]

They need to fix it

[sharp wing]

She is not tho, because any fast barrager will hit her

before she launches

and foxes

[young trout]

I just lost because an Enterprise dodged 4 backline strikes in a row

And killed my entire backline by herself

[sharp wing]

What u even use?

Namayuu?

[midnight heron]

he use kms

[sharp wing]

What's yr team

KMS?

Is this a fuccing joke?

Are u troll?

[trim horizon]

Rude

[sharp wing]

Using KMS u have no right to compalin tbh

xD

That was already pointed out

And they "don't keep speeding up"

they just get new stable pace

mona, hood

kagabb

[midnight heron]

i get rekt by enty sometimes cuz i use namae

[sharp wing]

lel

[midnight heron]

since i dont use 4 ijn pretty much up to rng whether i hit enty or not

cant bruh im training aur+bel

[shy hazel]

people asking what meta was more cancer

Enty era or current namahyuu era

enty era still more toxic

[midnight heron]

war reset never changes

[sharp wing]

Rushers reset in any era

KMS resets always

[young trout]

I don't play KMS because I want to win

I use them because I want to use them

And I don't reset

Because if I lose, I lose

I'd rather my winrate actually reflects my performance, and not how patient I am with spamming the "try again" button

[sharp wing]

Kms performance directly reflects yr WR

[young trout]

Then so be it.

Not as if PvP WR is a skill statistic anyway, so who cares if I don't

[sharp wing]

If u complain, means u do

I doin't care, i never complained about it

[young trout]

I'm just annoyed that I'm getting cheesed

Watching one ship singlehandedly kill your entire fleet is tilting

[sharp wing]

You are getting cheesed because you use comp, that doesn't even make it on tierlist

[young trout]

Stuff your tierlist

That ship might not be OP

But the way she is, she's forcing the meta to be burst reliant

Because she invalidates anything that isn't

[sharp wing]

Because Enty wasn't even a threat for more than half a year now

[young trout]

Because the meta is burst

She loses to burst

[sharp wing]

like all else

[young trout]

And there'll be nothing but burst in the meta until someone at Manjuu actually attempts to balance PvP

Because DPS is fine in PvE

Since trash fleets exist for those ships

[sharp wing]

I'd actually nerf half ships in pve

[trim horizon]

[sharp wing]

[trim horizon]

Burst you mean torpmeme ?

[sharp wing]

LMAO

[young trout]

implying frontline does anything other than meatshield

[sharp wing]

it actually gives u half WR

lmao

what world u come from?

[young trout]

Which is why the copypaste meta frontline is the way it is

It's a frontline that does nothing

But live

And heal the back

[sharp wing]

dude are u sirius?

[trim horizon]

Does nothing ?

[sharp wing]

wtf

[trim horizon]

[sharp wing]

lmao

he's a troll i tell you

[young trout]

In what world do Yukikaze and Juneau do damage

Tell me that

They exist to prop the backline

[sharp wing]

juneau give 30% WR to yr shitty main

alone

[young trout]

Juneau is the peak of degenerate cheese

I'm above that

[sharp wing]

yeah, go lose again and don't complain

[young trout]

k

[ionic magnet]

[sharp wing]

cause vg does nothing to make u win

[young trout]

Not what I said

I said it doesn't do damage

It tanks

It heals backline

It buffs backline

Backline does the actual killing

[mild spruce]

Yukikaze does damage though🤔

[sharp wing]

she even mvps

[young trout]

Not compared to bacline

[mild spruce]

Sometimes get gets mvp for me

[sharp wing]

vg can mvp u know

esp torpmeme

[young trout]

When I ran Nakaga vg MVPs were rare af

[sharp wing]

cause Nakaga

lmao

foxes tactics is to wipe vg fast

yr vg just don't have time to deal much damage

yeah

on average vg deals 30k damage

U call that no contribution you are just ignorant af

and vs double cv comps they deal even more due to aa

same time minimizing crash damage

[ionic magnet]

did another test vs this comp and i still got the same result. 18-2 dropped down to 14-6 when i switched to ryuusei. ~90% winrate feels good ngl. last time i had this high wr was way back during amakaga meta

[sharp wing]

jun + yukie indirectly contribute shittone of damage through letting main 3rd strikes

u sue only 1 ryuu on Cent?

and barra+alba formie?

[ionic magnet]

14-6 with that yea

[sharp wing]

ok

and what diff w/ barra cent?

[ionic magnet]

18-2 barra cent

[sharp wing]

ah

well

[ionic magnet]

cancer no more

[sharp wing]

and 1 ryuu on both CVs probably went a bit lower?

cause less crash pressure on main flanks

[ionic magnet]

yea most likely but i havent tried

[sharp wing]

Well, i think it will go that way

tbh more than 1 ryuu is not optimal

[ionic magnet]

can imagine all the wasted torps already yea

[sharp wing]

qeq

well, too bad crash not affected by slot eff

my cent deals about same damage as taihoe on hard runs and formies deals half of theirs

syncing formie stop w/ taihoe ryuu procs is damn satisfying tho, lol

i have triple procs seldom

but double proc is regular thing

64% after all

for double

lol

[ionic magnet]

is her triple proc better than enty

[sharp wing]

21.6% for no proc ye

[ionic magnet]

enty owarida

[sharp wing]

her damage is mASSsive

it's comparable to extra ryuu strike

carpet bombing is spread

but it hits all

[ionic magnet]

hmm p good

[sharp wing]

and she is thicc

[ionic magnet]

saggy tho

[sharp wing]

her skill makes her take same damage as med armor vs bombs and torps

so she can stand against carriers

20% dred

and she has 2/3/3 loadout so also 3 heccdivers

obviously on slower side tho

[midnight heron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/516951413411020819/594102994988171265/unknown.png vg deal no dmg ||yes i know its just a meme||

[sharp wing]

Junie

btw my hit 200 aff recently

[midnight heron]

mine still 119 apparently

[sharp wing]

[midnight heron]

cuz after i remove sheff yuki i forgot

to put her back

[sharp wing]

Oath skin when

[ionic magnet]

did junie even make top 150

[sharp wing]

A man can dream.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/516951413411020819/605473846568550441/unknown.png

This happens

[trim horizon]

only now

200 affection ?

you gotta upgrade your things right away

[sharp wing]

well, I haven't even used her till cancer reign

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/516951413411020819/610550108924411911/unknown.png
this is when nanoda being bad doge

still 30k average vg on my side

[trim horizon]

burn

to the furnace

[sharp wing]

how this happened tho in pretty regular fight

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/516951413411020819/608098640652926982/unknown.png

that's 40k

[shy hazel]

really lol

ge complained about enty in gamefeed

[sharp wing]

wha

siriusly?

[shy hazel]

got so much counters to enty its actually your fault if u cant win

enty meta is long dead

[sharp wing]

I mean, the guy runs KMS.... And refuse to even use stuff like junie

And he complains about something

Also his math is way off

Do u read that channel for lulz?

A ring well spent

[ionic magnet]

jesus that slime

oathed even commons and rares

my eyes

[sharp wing]

Slime Ranch

[trim horizon]

[coral wren]

well, there are many who oathed leander and cygnet

[sharp wing]

They are qt tho

At least they are not stat oathers

Unworthy lot

[trim horizon]

[sharp wing]

I didn't even bother to read, cause... lul

[silver root]

shouldnt something like biscuit + zeppy + graf be enough to burst down enty comps?

KMS is a meme but bisco still brings pretty top tier dmg

[sharp wing]

how can they burst enty when they launch with enty same time

that's the issue

[silver root]

twin 381 on bisco

[sharp wing]

And Biscuit needs flag for barrage

[silver root]

or bring a tanky vg that can whittle down enty

[sharp wing]

and her barrage is... well

Well, the guy apparently use kms vg

cause refuses to sue nanoda and junie

and tells vg deals no damage

or contribute to damage, lol

[silver root]

yeah thats what happens when u bring eugen lol

[sharp wing]

Well, i'd think it's something like roon + 2 Zs

[silver root]

same concept, roon needs time to ramp up her reload

[sharp wing]

roon is ca that fires half shots as AP and CAs don't have bonus damage in pvp

she has no vg pressure

even sanrui w/ her huge +HE damage and mle

aint really dps mosnter

[silver root]

if u go for pure KMS i guess u still need lipzeig's retro to be semi functional

and 2 boilers for roon

[sharp wing]

well, 2 boilers mid can work

1 boiler off

3 boilers...

"ok" indeed

nothing more

and she is like best ca gun dps

for that cause that thicc +HE

lol

a paper boat

at least sanrui has built in boiler and eva

tbh that like most reasons weeb pvp tierlists like her, can go fast

can tank

[vague token]

i think CAs with aux gun do more damage than sanrui

because having an mle on aux is better than sanrui gun

xD

for damage

[sharp wing]

How to kill portland

Just wait for azuma for Mle aux

[vague token]

i dont think azuma is better at aux gunnery than eagle CAs

[sharp wing]

btw only ijn vg w/ aux gun

[vague token]

her efficiency is too low

[sharp wing]

standard 60% but over 300 FP

And she lives long enough to actually do damage with it

[vague token]

oh is 60 the standard?

ive been using baltimore so much im used to 75%

lol

[sharp wing]

lel

[vague token]

i guess balti is just the weird one

[sharp wing]

I think for uss 65% is standard

wichita has 55%

[vague token]

minne is 70

[sharp wing]

port 65

[vague token]

huh, i guess balti has stupidly high efficiencies

for some reason

i thought they were higher xD

[sharp wing]

She is most advanced CA

for uss

[vague token]

i was wondering why i was able to get kills again before planes

[sharp wing]

She is T8 in game tree

[vague token]

brings me back to 100 days where id use minne/aurora and shoot down any light in the front before 20 seconds

ah

it's kinda refreshing

maybe i should swap sirius out for aurora

relive the old days

gotta get aurora to 120 X_x

[sharp wing]

I'm missing 4 fletchers...

2 from ch9, 1 this month login i think

and 1 more?

No, this month is J-class

who are those 2, lol

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

wait, ch9 1 is ijn

nicholas only fletcher there

3 mysterious heroines

oh, 1 is bache

Bush is monthly login not EN

forgot there another 9-2 fletcher drop...

lol, totally forgot about that

Radford, Nicholas, Bache, Bush

[vague token]

lol

[trim horizon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YT1uU69GZ0

I want this back

pvp purpose

[midnight heron]

sure dude

[sharp wing]

Dat taihoe oath, tho...

https://discordapp.com/channels/456397991847395339/516951413411020819/629709181032726528

12+ game

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

We need to be able to rewatch oath scene

That's top tier hentai

[trim horizon]

rewatch oath scene ?

[waxen crater]

KGV, Formidable and DoY (Warpite kai replacement) seems to be an encroaching meta...

[coral wren]

you can rewatch it tho

[sharp wing]

only replace Dork with actual boat like Cent and yr good

How do you rewatch tho

[coral wren]

archives

wait, you didn't really know? Before ui update you could just click oath button in your secretary profile and then they moved it to archives

[sharp wing]

oh

Well, there were no scene I actually fancied rewatch till this

Turns out some l2d unique to oath scene

Also this way you can actually watch oath scene in any skin

[sharp wing]

This looks pretty ded, i'm 280 w/ 10/10 in 2 mins

[trim horizon]

280

?

I think I slept/missed some tix then

[midnight heron]

just join rusher life and u can sleep all u want

[trim horizon]

1052 10/10

[hot creek]

1054 (yeah I know I was supposed to take a break)

[trim horizon]

[vague token]

1043, bad resets oh boi

[trim horizon]

138 start here

[hot creek]

start doest matter, its all about mid season. Get those +18's and +14's

[trim horizon]

[sharp wing]

1060

There some good amount of rushers tho, now i'm 360+

[shell heron]

This would have been a great season if I didn't start working. 1053 10/10

Had to eat 3 +0 resets on the 18 point resets

[sharp wing]

Become a NEET

[midnight heron]

i neet ur help

[sharp wing]

I neet a rusher on my list

[vague token]

if someone gets me ill rush

xD

[sharp wing]

Come to Sandy

[waxen crater]

So is formidable someone worth putting in pvp in regards to meta

[dry socket]

formidable's still being tested
i do know that some players are close to maxing her out

but she performs quite well on my end

[sharp wing]

There been maxed out formies for over a week

[dry socket]

never saw one around the trophy room

[sharp wing]

But the best comp with her atm is cent+ Formie

[dry socket]

nor pvp

[merry edge]

wym over a week

[dry socket]

formie's slow is great for timed ryuusei attacks

[merry edge]

maybe 10/10/9?

[dry socket]

[sharp wing]

Meant more about 120

[merry edge]

anyways can I leave junjun at 115? my dorm/long comms are pretty busy so if 115 is enough Id like to cut her out
Id need to raise her affinity anyways

[sharp wing]

She will die much faster

and u dun really want that

each lvl difference makes her take 2% more damage

so that's 10% extra

[merry edge]

well I dont mean literally stop leveling her at 115
I mean if 115 is enough for me to stick her into my (attack) fleet and I just slowly level her on the side?

[sharp wing]

If anything u can stop lvling other vgs

and prioritize her

[merry edge]

you want juneau to die last of the vg preferably right?

[sharp wing]

well, if u put it like that, sure

well, not last

[waxen crater]

Hmm so maybe a Formie +ryuu+Nagato back would work?

[sharp wing]

but not 1st 5-10 secs

[waxen crater]

Hiryuu*

[sharp wing]

Jun needs to die after yr main took some damage

not before it

I use her as tank so she also effectively prevents vg from dropping too same time

But ofc for that u need 120

middle she might be fine for now

as 115

~~u can always reset if she dies from opening torps ~~

[merry edge]

[sharp wing]

Well, as for formie, i'd rahter run Hiryuu + Soryuu kai with nagato lol

and amagi ofc superior, but u probably dun have her

or why u even ask

But from what ppl where testing Cent + Formie comps w/ qe/kgv have around 90% WR

idk if any1 tried running formie w/ 2 hms bbs

and if it's better over Cent anyway

I doubt

u can't sync her w/ kgv either

Phoe, how was Vicky + Cent comp doing anyway?

[waxen crater]

So basically there’s two metas you can run with atm

[sharp wing]

Well, "meta" is only 1

but there good comps

[waxen crater]

Hmm

[hot creek]

Victorious is as good as you'd imagine her to be.

[sharp wing]

Well

How about vicky + Formie thicc squad

Ofc, much worse than Cent

but... for the plot

I need to see that def fleet

[hot creek]

dw soon I will have triple 120 Lusty class fleet

[sharp wing]

well, at least Vicky and Formie can cucc amagi

Also, Eldie

U need Eldie there

[hot creek]

Not even sure if their skills count vs BC

[sharp wing]

well for vic offense skill probably nt, but defense skills do

i mean, that's 2 parts of 1 skill

at least formie can probably launch into Naga barrage and give def buff?

w/ fighters

nah, probably not

naga w/ reload buff would be around 15-16 sec

• 1-2 secs barrage travel and animation

Unless Naga dun run 381

then it will work

Formie reload at 200 aff 124?

w/ reppu barra alba 21.34
w/ heccdiver barra alba 22.09

[smoky elk]

yes 124

[sharp wing]

well, calc showed 123.64 so i was not sure

At those low values that +1 gives 0.05 sec cooldown diff

[sharp wing]

How to kill Enty

Btw... Did u kill nekos?

witty lies.

[fierce field]

[smoky elk]

[fierce field]

does Formi freeze work in pvp?

no right

[sharp wing]

well, sure

for 1.5 sec

[fierce field]

so it does freeze

[sharp wing]

there no skills that work different in pvp

[grand spruce]

mfw 255 doesn't believe me

[fierce field]

cause I heard 2 different opinions

[sharp wing]

Well, not here

[grand spruce]

no love

[fierce field]

[sharp wing]

We tell only truth

well, it's just that def team uses weird reverted pattern

for all barrages

but that's cause spaghetti code

🥔 + 🍝

It was not meant to be like that or made intentionally

Also torps on def team launch reverted

The only thing that devs made intentionally in pvp is reducing warspite barrage to 80% fp mulriplier

[vague token]

they just mirror the barrage

so the pattern is weird xD

[sharp wing]

yeah

but other than that, it's all same pve/pvp

Like KGV?

But doesn't it work in pve the same after change

And it was more of Biscuit issue anyway

then they slapped KGV pattern on Biscuit and got done

[vague token]

except with like

half the damage

xD

[sharp wing]

xD

[fierce field]

[sharp wing]

yeah cause

[vague token]

like god damn biscuit with full kgv barrage

would be great

[sharp wing]

KGV arcing shots have fuccing TOR-PEDO modifiers

Shooting torpedoes was hella great idea

[vague token]

personally id rather they just normalize barrage ammo

but that will never happen

[sharp wing]

It no just mirror tho, it's more like left to right reversion happens early on, like enemy vg literally shoots torps left to right

[elder crane]

Yeah, every fixed-targeting barrage has a PvE and a PvP version with different targeting range

[sharp wing]

But initial positioning is same

[elder crane]

Technically every other stat is independent too, better hope devs copypasta'd it correctly

Yep, initial positioning just does the inversion thing you mentioned

[sharp wing]

Did they do it from very start tho?

[elder crane]

Yep

Otherwise something like Hood barrage would land where enemy vanguard is and not enemy main

[sharp wing]

well, other than range it should be same as pve

[elder crane]

Or actually probs more like inbetween

And hit nothing

[sharp wing]

like early biscuit

they probably forgot something there

[elder crane]

Yep
They actually had a PvP version for that too, with more offset than others

[sharp wing]

lol

[elder crane]

Bis base pattern just aims really close in

It was an issue for pve too

[sharp wing]

But in the end they just slapped KGV pattern

[elder crane]

Only iirc Gascan pattern had a larger targeting distance offset than Bis did
Everyone else was 5-15 units less offset towards back than Bis

[sharp wing]

Well, outside of barrage range offsetting, skills work in pve and pvp same

[elder crane]

So what they screwed up was actually pattern and not targeting distance on Bis

[sharp wing]

and that old ws barrage nerf

[elder crane]

Yep

[vague token]

too bad even after fix it's just so bland

xD

[sharp wing]

yeah

Well, in general we can say, skills same for pve and pvp

[elder crane]

Oh right there's a few exceptions
One is Georgia
Her fixed portion of barrage in PvP aims at vanguard distances
....Actually I can't think of any more.....

[vague token]

[elder crane]

It's the rain of DD shots

[vague token]

yeah

[sharp wing]

http://p8.qhimg.com/dr/400__/t01c2636dff4b0e3906.gif

lol

It's raining

and it's really small aoe

[vague token]

it looks cool though

[sharp wing]

well, kinda

[vague token]

i always dig orbital strikes

[sharp wing]

Orbital sniper concept

[elder crane]

And for PvE being tight is usually good

[vague token]

if only she had MGM+2

although her numbers are pretty good without it i think

[elder crane]

But it kinda screws a bit with Georgia being not-flag

Not too much loss though

[sharp wing]

well ye

[elder crane]

Georgia basically has BBV-like setup
With a godly barrage that (mostly) doesn't need flag

[vague token]

and 20% vs most gunships

really strong modifier

[sharp wing]

Not strong enough to replace +1 mg tho

[vague token]

no, it is

330 efficiency with 20% multiplier

is comparable to all the 135 mgm+2

[elder crane]

She and WSret vie for off-flag BB spot

[sharp wing]

But not on herself

[elder crane]

If WSret wonky targeting isn't an issue she's a bit better iirc (for PvE, vs Med/Heavy)
But otherwise Georgia is superior

To give an idea of how good Georgia is

That is, she's better than [WSret minus skillshot]

[vague token]

i think against all the gun ships she should be within 5-10% of all other PR battleships

even without mgm+2

just pure shelling

because she has such a high modifier

[elder crane]

And doesn't need flag for that either

Which is her biggest draw

[vague token]

like vs siren monarch has 500 total multiplier vs siren

vs georgia 450 or so

but no positional issues

huge aa

and her barrage gets that ammo bonus vs those targets

[sharp wing]

well, tbh pr2 supposed to be > pr1

[elder crane]

And more of it is in the highest-hitrate first salvo

[vague token]

oh and spread reduction

so you waste less gun damage

i think monarch is the highest efficiency mgm+2?

[sharp wing]

Like no1 even cared about Mona bug, cause pr2 already there

[vague token]

unfortunately wiki doesnt have an efficiency table

=//////////

[sharp wing]

they dun even have proper plane tables

[vague token]

oh, and i suppose

if you're using he on georgia

her fires will be bigger

because more efficiency

xD

[sharp wing]

well ye

like hyuuga for fire purpose

[vague token]

with gascan being highest fire lol

180 efficiency ;)

[sharp wing]

she is qt tho

[vague token]

it'd be fun to run gascan for big fire but rip

[sharp wing]

wish mona had heal at 50% like her

And she does it TWICE per battle

that's a cockroach

[vague token]

formidable finally 100

only another 3 weeks to 120

x_X

[sharp wing]

[elder crane]

I'm somewhat suprised I haven't read a Gascan vs Bama comparison article/testing for mobbing

Wait, actually I might've, erm, let me check later

I think Bama for CN/JP was powercreeped by gascan before release
Is what I mention that

[vague token]

i think full clear still goes to bama?

[elder crane]

Tried to powercreep Wash, but was too late to the draw

Also afail Bama skill still doesn't match desc

[vague token]

[elder crane]

The triggers are swapped
And the caps are 5 and 8 stacks

[vague token]

so cap 5 ships sunk during battle and 8 nodes?

[elder crane]

Yep
And dred after max stacks on ships sunk

[vague token]

why is the wiki not even close to that

lol

[elder crane]

I've only recently reconfirmed 5 stacks cap on sinking ships
Rest is more annoying to figure out

[vague token]

why would you even bother waiting 8 fleets for damage reduction

[sharp wing]

lol

[elder crane]

It's 5 ships sunk for dred

[vague token]

oh

see that's confusing

[sharp wing]

And the fp bonus will happen only after second volley

oh

[vague token]

cause the wiki presents it

as

+fp per node

[sharp wing]

her skill presents it

[vague token]

+fp per ship

after 5 nodes, dr forever

[elder crane]

Yeah her skill triggers are actually swapped

[vague token]

that's dumb

[elder crane]

For whatever 🍝 reason

[vague token]

at least it makes sense on the wiki

[sharp wing]

ingame skill says 7 ships

7 stacks max

[elder crane]

It's 5 ships for first part of skill and 8 fleets for 2nd

[vague token]

the in game is also wrong then?

[elder crane]

Cause lolconsistencywhatsthat
And lolfixingdescswhatsthat

[vague token]

xD

[elder crane]

Yep

[sharp wing]

ye

[vague token]

both the wiki

AND the in game

are wrong

that's impressive

[elder crane]

You can count activations for ships sunk easily

[vague token]

like wow

[elder crane]

5 cap

Just3c tested rest a while back and that's where I get rest of info

[vague token]

that is ultimate spaghet

[sharp wing]

I mean, Just3c... Can u even trust that

[elder crane]

Idk how they managed to get the triggers swapped
Ultimate 🍝
I'm surprised it even works with that

[vague token]

well

im reading the cn wiki

it matches en wiki

so that's a bug

[sharp wing]

well en has same source

[elder crane]

The triggers used to be correct btw and the numbers wrong
Then they "patched" it

[vague token]

xD

[sharp wing]

and reverted triggers

[vague token]

dear god

this is worse than amagi barrage lul

[elder crane]

Like idk how they managed to actually swap triggers

[sharp wing]

copypasted too much of code

[elder crane]

I swear if they actually tried to do that it'd be harder than fixing numbers

[vague token]

just copy the effect part

[sharp wing]

It's always hard to that on purpose

[vague token]

into the condition of the other part

ez

[sharp wing]

[elder crane]

And honestly at this point just leave it and change desc

But lol at devs ever changing desc

[vague token]

leaving it makes bama worse than most though

[elder crane]

ahem 2 shots out of IJN twin127, riiiight?

[vague token]

dr on kill like wut

[sharp wing]

lol

[elder crane]

Actually I prefer it this way
Dmg is what you need more for later fleets anyways, so I prefer having higher cap there
And 5 kills for Bama is easy to get vs the nodes that you need dred on

[sharp wing]

I prefer just to not bother with her

[elder crane]

She's basically wash+, as expected