pvp

[coral wren]

And if u need rainbow box, just hit the core shop

[sharp wing]

U need points for this

[ripe latch]

[coral wren]

Whats the full reward list

[sharp wing]

the dildo is server reward

[coral wren]

So free oxys

[sharp wing]

If server kills boss

t

yes

[coral wren]

Then the other rewards needs to be grinded for points

By fighting surugay over n over

[sharp wing]

points needed to redeem those rewrds when u click that button i showed

[coral wren]

Yeah i know ive been claimin stuff there

[sharp wing]

personal rewards

that's what u grind points for

doing all 45 battles daily gives 3.3k

[coral wren]

They hide these behind a progress bar

Is what i mean

[sharp wing]

it's tied to server progress

But u can get server rewards with 0 points

[coral wren]

yeh. So just a typical farming stuff

my alt would love that

[sharp wing]

My Returnee pps kinda died

[coral wren]

I hope theres BPs behind those locks

[shell heron]

there are some

[coral wren]

Thts why im grinding

[sharp wing]

few

[coral wren]

Oh word

Hell, id take it

[sharp wing]

u can see rewards

[coral wren]

Im desperate

[sharp wing]

wtf

[coral wren]

How?

Who got the full reward table

[sharp wing]

u see rewards behind locked

wtf

[coral wren]

i cant

[shell heron]

it's only darkened, but you can make it out

[sharp wing]

are u blind or what?

[coral wren]

maybe

I have poor eyesight

[sharp wing]

make screen brighter

[coral wren]

Oh word

[sharp wing]

48k for 2 extra BPs, lol

[coral wren]

I want dem bps

Gotta do my daily run cuz yesterday i sleep on it

I thought normal and easy gives nothig

[sharp wing]

by doing dailies alone without tickets u should get over 42k

[ionic magnet]

its on wiki if you dont like to squint

[coral wren]

i dont check wikis

u know me

My brightness is too low

[sharp wing]

all unique items are 10k anyway

[coral wren]

well i gotta do sum farmin now.

Wait its on the wiki? Full reward?

[sharp wing]

ofc

[coral wren]

can u link

[sharp wing]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Crosswave

[coral wren]

Actually you're right. You can see the rewards if u look closer

My phone screen ratio is trash so tht must be why i cant see

I only see it after zooming on the image

[ionic magnet]

still disappointed, of all gears they chose triple 410mm for rewards

[coral wren]

"we apologize for any inconvenience you may experience using this page"

Is this warning me not to click it

[shell heron]

it's just the wiki

[coral wren]

Jesus christ 3 bps

I gotta farm thif

This

Bye guys

Thanks for evrythin

Love ya

[midnight heron]

i'll only farm for 700 data

[past egret]

Is this good ?

Compared to others idk what’s a good amount of dmg to the boss

[shy hazel]

so what

we get the new aux

when it reach 30%

so far only moved to 80% rn

weekend should make things slower

or faster

so we prolly get this by monday

worse tuesday

avrora btw

👀

dunno what percentage other server has

[past egret]

78.35 wash

[shy hazel]

guess

avrora got lazier ppl in pve

[trim horizon]

does the boss have

http://prntscr.com/pbu4kp

?

[shy hazel]

maybe

who knows

ask cyaneko to dig code

[trim horizon]

cya go :mine

[shy hazel]

@balmy torrent

👀

[trim horizon]

⛏

[shy hazel]

dig the spaghetti

[sharp wing]

Yeah, i just noticed 10k at 30%

lol

[vague token]

🍝

[silver root]

whoa i didnt realize EN will get the yamato armor

[odd schooner]

Do you guys have the latest list on cn tiering

[silver root]

http://wiki.joyme.com/blhx/演习用阵容体系强度一览榜

[sharp wing]

CN tierlist in nutshell for previous and next half year:
fdg namagi azuma junie nanoda

[silver root]

the author says he may need to update the listing tho with the new aux

whenever he gets it and run some tests

heavy armor azuma will take reduced HE damage and tank nagato barrages like a beast

[sharp wing]

that slot is very questionable, u either need to lose speed or eva

and i don't think u will get any better eHP if u lose eva, and CN won't like losing speed

[silver root]

whats the numbers behind the eva eHP loss?

[sharp wing]

azuma base eva is 50, so rudder is big boost for her

rudder almost doubles her eva

gyro gives her pretty needed acc and ofc speed

If u ever seen roon without boiler, u know how it gonna feel

[silver root]

heavy armor will reduce nagato and amagi barrage damage by like 30% to 40% tho if my math checks out

[sharp wing]

amagi arcing shots won't even target her

also 30% is high

also evading them gives more reduction

heavy armor also will make her take more damage from avi

and torps

[silver root]

right but CN meta is also replacing hiryuu with FdG slowly

i want to take a look at the evasion calc tho

[trim horizon]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/av69096984 who is the mid VG ?

[sharp wing]

tanikaze kai

if it's same video posted again

yeah that's her

[trim horizon]

Yeah it is

The same vid i mean

[sharp wing]

she launches before buki

to buff her

buki offtank there iirc

she also can buff sub torps

and probably airborne too

but u take double rng: Helena + Tanikaze

[hot creek]

Gensui rush leggo

[sharp wing]

Oh, it's today

Sandy even got 1

and second place 155, lol

[outer stump]

Idk how Al can allow so much cancer whit this hiryuu retro

[trim horizon]

Doesn't chamge that much

It's not like her 15 sec of Invuln became 30

[outer stump]

For some reason she gets faster airstrike

But her retro gives +20 reload only

But it's like it launches like 3-4 seconds earlier than my enty's

[fierce field]

[silver root]

thats cause nagato adds 20% reload to all ijn ships

time to +10 that me-155

[trim horizon]

72.76% Sandy

[sharp wing]

dragonkai has 9 reload over enty + 3/2/3 loadout compared to enty's 3/3/2, so it's obviously faster

P.S. Don't forget to vote for

[finite valve]

tfw avrora is not number 1

bunch of weak ass vet

[sharp wing]

For reload (unoathed):
Enty - Reppuu Heccdiver Barra 22.46
Reppuu Heccdiver Ryuu 23
DragonKai - Reppuu Heccdiver Ryuu 22.44

DragonKai (w/ Nagato Buff) 21.25

[blissful fjord]

what is the best PVP setup for Monarch, Saint louis and Neptune?

[sharp wing]

saint louis and neptune in 1 fleet won't be best setup, since meta is Junie + nanoda + X, but if u want them both in 1 fleet add Nanoda or junie to them. Monarch you can put even with Nagato and Amagi, but u can go HMS setup too

check pinned tierlist for some comps

BTW, some1 deleted Nep image in tierlist

[wispy hawk]

Juneau + nanoda + Saint Louis or Belfast on atk? Or depend on their Def team? Saint dev lv 25

[shell heron]

sanrui dev25 is usable

you'll be down a bit of stats because of the missing dev levels, but I would say your main fleet matters more there

[wispy hawk]

Ah I got Namaryuu in main fleet

And lv 110 bel / saint

Just consider about them

[shell heron]

that 10 level difference is pretty big imo. both decreases the damage you do to 120 fleets while taking more damage

sanrui is not an upgrade to belfast. she's more of an option

[sharp wing]

sanrui is mainly anti-aurora thing

belfast better all around

[shell heron]

sanrui is still one tanky ship at dev30

[wispy hawk]

Tks you guys

[sharp wing]

But lvl difference is big thing anyway, so just pick what u will lvl

[vague token]

neptune is tankier in total EHP minus aurora

im pretty sure

/although im finding baltimore actually fairly tanky now that her level is 119, having luck does a lot of work for durability

[elder crane]

Also don't forget PvP HP multiplier scaling
10 lvs is 20% more dmg taken, 20% less damage dealt, and about 5% less HP, on top of stat differences from levels

[vague token]

that too

xD

i still wont lead with her cause she's better as last ship for doing 400-600 damage to medium and 300-400 on heavy

xD

big ca ap gun

(this is using sanrui gun)

[blissful fjord]

Is nagato/amagi/hiryuu the best backline in PvP?

Even in JP/CN?

Or could you also use HMS

[vague token]

well, cn/jp has azuma

[sharp wing]

backline tho

[vague token]

so you dont NEED triple ijn backline anymore

you can toss in wskai or fdg

although i forget which one is better against which

it's basically namagi is always fixed, choose from wskai/hiryuukai/fdg as the last

[sharp wing]

hiryuu is most budget

[blazing scroll]

Sounds like pvp needs more freedom

[sharp wing]

Shush, IJN slaves

[vague token]

lel

accept the meme within

[blazing scroll]

It's time to liberate

[vague token]

and you can be free from ijn meta

and since we have heavy armor plating

we can make ws kai have a harder time deleting some ships

especially since it comes with 600 or w/e hp

650 owo

[blazing scroll]

Too bad I can't give it to vg

[vague token]

with the pvp multiplier that's 1521 hp

yeah =(

also i think it upgrades even light armor cvs to heavy

although i dont think there are many full cvs with light?

[blazing scroll]

I think most are medium

[sharp wing]

There only 2 collab CVLs w/ light

[vague token]

oh it's only the collab

yeah

xD

[sharp wing]

all carriers are med

or heavy

[vague token]

sara will get a lot out of it cause her base hp is so high xD

zeppy should do ok

centaur probably can use it

[sharp wing]

actuallu ships w/ low HP get most out of it

[blazing scroll]

I might use it on Essex

[vague token]

do we only get one?

[sharp wing]

yes

[vague token]

it'd be fun to run 3 armor 3 rudder

awwwww

[sharp wing]

1 purple 1 gold

[vague token]

=((((

oh actually the purple is fine

520

gold is 650

not a ton more hp

oh wait purple doesnt upgrade armor tier

nvm

trash

[blazing scroll]

Just wanted to ask about the skill

[vague token]

[blazing scroll]

Anyway time to get some rest

Did my attacks anyway

[shell heron]

waiting on a person to move still

[vague token]

someone moved but didnt have enough for bonus

so i think ill push to catch some of the rushers

xD

[shell heron]

I think I have a list of sandbaggers

really should make that list of known rushers

[odd schooner]

Trying out full defensive

But seems like I lose the potential to hit yukikaze if i remove sg

[vague token]

that's why i like sirius, tankier than aurora but helps you clean up pesky evasion boats xD

[sharp wing]

I'm already at 71 410 bps...

10 more in rewards

sandy cleared 70 mark already

[shell heron]

I'm at 89 bps. after this event I can make 4 of that gun

but avrora sure is behind in the raid. 73.56%

[vague token]

i mean we'll get it eventually, no rush

meanwhile famine top score

xD

[vague token]

hmm the nice thing about normal/easy is i can get some t2 general plates

i guess

[sharp wing]

i can aff farm Junie

[vague token]

maybe i shroud train up nevada/oklahoma on easy or something

the power of budget common retros

ooh essex 120

now to get formidable to 120 X_x

i guess if i swap sara out for formidable, i have to decide whether essex or amagi get heavy armor

probably amagi

since the whole team benefits more while she's alive

[elder crane]

So with a bit more new tech I've gotten Aya to be more consistently good for EX
New record of 126k damage from her, and Jint now is boosted too to around 65k usually (89k record)
Turns out if you manage timings a bit more dispersed you can get Aya to launch 4 times with quad magtorps, which is better than 3 times with rainbow apparently (I'm not good enough with 610s )

[vague token]

are 610s the non-mag quad

[elder crane]

yep

[vague token]

oh boi

if only my torp squad was leveled

oh well ill just auto the other modes for points

xD

[elder crane]

I managed to get a setup where I squeezed 4 launches from that
but I can't land it consistently

[vague token]

gotcha

[elder crane]

especially last set you get ~1 s or ~3 s (with autoloader or Nagato I suppose but I think that's worse) window

which is barely enough to line up magtorps for me, much less 610s

[vague token]

yikes

[elder crane]

with quad mags and just Jint buff and 2 oxytorp you get 4-5s to launch which is fine

technically Jint with quad mags and oxys can do it too but once again window is too tight

If you're better with torps though this is probably not worth

[shy hazel]

fam got t1 with foxes torp fleet

break that

👀

[vague token]

i dont think any of us are gonna top fam

xD

[elder crane]

What is the ranking for anyways? Total contribution?

[shy hazel]

we gotta show fam who the real boss is

in ex

[vague token]

i thought rank was total

[elder crane]

Rank should be total contribution

[shy hazel]

wait

rip then

[elder crane]

and glhf outfarming Fam

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

yeah

xD

[elder crane]

He's the guy r1 on every event points

[vague token]

is al his main game xD

[elder crane]

100k+
I think I saw 123k once

[shy hazel]

he was t2 in italy event

👀

[elder crane]

oooh who beat him?

[shy hazel]

i only remember fam

@empty grove

who was t1 again

[elder crane]

Nozo and GEN I remember too from event pt leaderboards

[shy hazel]

was it you

👀

[ionic magnet]

its jojo iirc

[elder crane]

so yeah none of us will unseat them

[shy hazel]

oya jojo

[ionic magnet]

by a good margin too

[empty grove]

Jojo usually beats me

& Agito when he hard farms

[shy hazel]

oya

agito

[ionic magnet]

yea those ppl

[shy hazel]

the legendary event ranking slave

👀

i havent seen agito

[empty grove]

I've been doing this shit full manual

[shy hazel]

lately tho

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

disgusting

[empty grove]

[elder crane]

oh wow I'm suprised you guys aren't scripting at least some of it

[empty grove]

My pride wouldn't let me

[vague token]

scripting? that's weak

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

jk

[shy hazel]

true winner

[elder crane]

then again,
https://xkcd.com/1319/

xkcd: Automation

'Automating' comes from the roots 'auto-' meaning 'self-', and 'mating', meaning 'screwing'.

[vague token]

yeah that

[elder crane]

is sometimes what happens for me

[vague token]

i remember that one

it's a good one xD

[shy hazel]

np kiro will beat u soon

[vague token]

wut

im a casual

[shy hazel]

kiro will be top 1 in anything soon

[empty grove]

Who was the one way into sara

Was it him

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

im into minne, but you cant discount that sara has useful qualities

[shy hazel]

disgusting kiro

[empty grove]

[vague token]

[ionic magnet]

[empty grove]

W12 farm

[vague token]

retro or the korean one

[empty grove]

I just used w/e the most recent was

[vague token]

fair enough

[shy hazel]

seal skin

r u ppl even doing easy

dont feel like touching it

[vague token]

am now

[shy hazel]

tho i do normal

👀

[vague token]

using it for affection mvp rigging

[empty grove]

I'm doing hard

Legit gaining nothing

[vague token]

i oathed balti but she's 119

[vague token]

so it's easy to nab affection

[shy hazel]

o

so u gain affec here

[vague token]

i mean, you spend oil and everything

it should be a normal fight

[shy hazel]

technically it doesnt count as sortie

[vague token]

[shy hazel]

the game doesnt count it as such

[empty grove]

It drops happiness

[shy hazel]

maybe its the spaghetti code

as usual

[vague token]

oh and i guess by extension it also costs morale

so if you farm too fast xD

[shy hazel]

but u dont get the daily sortie cubes

if u do it

[empty grove]

My issue is i'm not getting comms

[vague token]

yeah not getting comms is a bummer

[empty grove]

I'll probably stop at around 200k

[shy hazel]

merchant rescue

good cube comm

👀

what is your score now

[empty grove]

95k

[shy hazel]

im just 30k

[empty grove]

Ehh

30k is fine

[shy hazel]

after 15 tickets the counter doesnt increase anymore

anyways

[vague token]

meanwhile im at 5k points

oh boi

[empty grove]

Isn't Avrora behind the other servers too

[vague token]

i think it's like 72 atm or something ill check in a second

72.61

[trim horizon]

68.14

[vague token]

oh

wait then what's the bottom left number

[empty grove]

Nah

He's on a diff server

That number is total server contribution

[vague token]

oh so that's different from the server progress

[finite valve]

noob avrora is noob lel

the only thing avrora can do is to boast how all top 1k are all using cancer fleet

[elder crane]

total server contribution is adjusted by devs for each server apparently

so the amount req is diff for Avrora potentially

[ionic magnet]

im pulling avrora down
dont think event map is worth spamming so

[vague token]

easy is good for 1:1 affection farm imo

and normal is nice for t2 plates

i guess?

[elder crane]

heck you can probs do med with it
0LB team can do medium

[vague token]

i have less t2 generals than t3 generals now so =(

[elder crane]

Monitor+Mahans I'm pretty sure does medium

[vague token]

probably

[elder crane]

6 cost medium

point farm spot is defs medium for low oil

[ionic magnet]

thing is im still missing choukai so id rather use this downtime to farm for her

[elder crane]

wait what's 0lb monitor cost again

4 right?

[ionic magnet]

and normal/hard gives too low exp for my tastes

[vague token]

yeah they arent good for xp

[elder crane]

yeah XP is super low

EX isn't even 1k

[vague token]

im doing 1:2 on hard auto cause eh

[elder crane]

for plates for me
over doing medium

sad part is, for the oil cost, EX is super low points

[ionic magnet]

wait does normal drop t3 plates

[elder crane]

nope

[ionic magnet]

oh rip

[elder crane]

which is why I'm not running it

[ionic magnet]

yea not even an option

i need gen plates like hell

[elder crane]

who doesn't

I could easily use up like 5k of them

probs even 10k

[ionic magnet]

^

i cant max my shells ffs

then theres the new gear coming

[vague token]

i have 500 t3s and like 200-300 t2s

X_x

/cause i havent been buying oxy kek

[elder crane]

6 oxy for me
and I thought I'd be enough for most cases
but then EX happened
now I want 10 minimum

[ionic magnet]

yea same

i didn't even level my torp memes past 110 cos there's zero reason

[vague token]

inb4 next ex is the dangerous kind

[ionic magnet]

until this event happened

[vague token]

again

[ionic magnet]

now i cant ignore them anymore

[vague token]

actually it'd be good if they alternate between tank check and dps check

would be good to do both

[empty grove]

This EX convinced me to actually invest in subs

[ionic magnet]

yea subs too

[hot creek]

daxam wins again

[vague token]

except he swapped off of hms so he loses? jk

[ionic magnet]

that's a win no?

[elder crane]

yeah I think this event proves that EX will have subs at the core if they allow it, in the future

[vague token]

inb4 sub pvp

big oh no

[elder crane]

torpbulges on everyone basically

maybe there's a "killitwithfire" possibility with fleet setups

[vague token]

surcouf one of the best

accuracy boost and durability

who else though

ssv has main buff

double gato has burning

[elder crane]

Ufleet for the alpha for sure

[vague token]

and 15% dr

[elder crane]

Earliest possible sub detection is 10s, no?

with Koln

[vague token]

someone might troll with sonar

xD

[elder crane]

idk Ufleet does like half their dmg in the first 10s

[vague token]

[elder crane]

and flood sticks around even if sunk

lol countermeta:
if subs kill everything, then the fleet submerged longer wins

basically that means USN subs, no?

[vague token]

i mean, then all subs surface and shoot at each other

xD

so yeah usn or surcouf wins

or eagle + surcouf

[elder crane]

USN surfaces after cause high oxy
Surcouf oxy isn't very high actually

[vague token]

yeah but she's thicc

[elder crane]

and when on surface subs can torp subs

she's less tanky than DDs even iirc...

it's just that in PvE nothing really hits subs

[vague token]

if it turns to sub vs subs though

;)

[elder crane]

nah that's like 1-2 subtorps and ded

[vague token]

more like oh big seven

guess sub fleet died

xD

[elder crane]

Well we're assuming rest fleet is ded though

[vague token]

how long does 120 oxy last again

[elder crane]

12s

[vague token]

no snorkel

[elder crane]

/10

[vague token]

oh that's not enough to kill mains

[elder crane]

you reach ~250 base on the extra oxy USNs iirc
then +85 per snorkel

[vague token]

either way yostar would probably do some weird sub specific adjustments

i58 has 268 lol

[elder crane]

Dace is 243+40 though

[vague token]

but yeah yostar would probably do class specific adjustments like all the other ships

"double oxygen" or something

-20% damage

i dunno

stuff like that

otherwise you'd just get evaporated by foxes

[elder crane]

you'd need like -60% dmg at least for double oxy

foxes can't hit them though

[vague token]

wait when do they surface again

sorry xD

[elder crane]

oxy/10

so 300 oxy is 30s

[vague token]

oh

nvm

[elder crane]

you can reach 400+ with highest

[vague token]

chaser meta bois

[elder crane]

Nah Koln meta

detection at 10s

[vague token]

yeah but who are you gonna give depth charge

[elder crane]

triple CVL
then some VGs to soak dmg

[vague token]

oh

i see

[elder crane]

and then rely on own subs basically

oh wait Akaga screws that strat

can ASW planes be shot down?

[vague token]

they are planes

so they should?

[elder crane]

Damn AKaga+subs meta then

[vague token]

cause you use plane plates

[elder crane]

Akaga evaps ASW in vanguard and kills Chaser if present

then your subs just outlast everything cause lol 40+s of oxygen

[vague token]

probably just have to run start of battle smoke + belfast

in order to avoid getting cheesed

leander/belfast to negate majority of the damage

[elder crane]

but then you need to kill subs too

actually just need one sub at 40+s

rest can be proper

so Dace+USN Duo or IJN probs

[vague token]

juneau could be mid with depth charge

[elder crane]

charges, from what I recall in PvE, do around 500 max?

[vague token]

cls do 15% amp so boost it

[elder crane]

with PvP HP multi that's a lot of shots needed

nah that's the proper DDs

Jun is lower than them in ASW

[vague token]

not a lot though i think? xD

[elder crane]

also if you depth charge then AKaga+torpmemes probably kills her

[vague token]

well that's why you got double smoke

;)

420

[elder crane]

smokes don't stack, no?

[vague token]

start smoke

and belfast smoke

different times

eg from 0-20 seconds you'll be under smoke

[elder crane]

Hmm
can sirus/aurora/Sendai NAkaga still kill through smoke?

[vague token]

no idea

[elder crane]

well 0-5 then 10-20

[vague token]

oh right

xD

[elder crane]

Amagi/KGV hits in 5-10 I suppose

[vague token]

although leander/belfast will make you bleed

with sirius/aurora/sendai

that gun damage hurts

[elder crane]

idk sirius is decently tanky and disposable

[vague token]

entirely plausible to lose the lead vanguard from that probably

especially with your own torp

from subs

[ionic magnet]

all i can say is with sirius/aurora/sendai nakaga they cant reliably 1 shot ppl even w/o smoke

[vague token]

really? i feel like that one should be able to knock out all cls

[elder crane]

Huh
With subs though, maybe?
Actually you'll need own opening smoke to survive those too, hmm

[vague token]

like between leander buff and belfast buff

the eventual seattle gun will melt squishy lights

[ionic magnet]

yea its all rng in the end

and thats why sir/aur/sen didnt become meta

well part is cos jun/ykkz is too op

[vague token]

well, also probably because sanrui/juneau/ykk has a chance to delete one of them

[ionic magnet]

yea that too

[elder crane]

And you're running Nakaga

[vague token]

unless you lead with sirius

i guess

but she'll need rudder/bulge

to not die in lead

if subs ever get added i feel like double smoke is mandatory

in order to throw off as much of the frontloaded as possible

[ionic magnet]

subs eh

would be messy af

[elder crane]

so basically there's no clear-cut wins-all then, for if subs join PvP, probs?

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

probs

but hey they wont ever change pvp so we dont have to worry about it ;)))))

[elder crane]

Basically I'm wondering if there's a viable counter to:
Nakaga+VGdeletion+2legit subs+Max Oxy Dace

[ionic magnet]

backliners has real threat of dying on opening torps maybe

[elder crane]

Basically you kill everything on surface then win by default cause max oxy dace surfaces last

[ionic magnet]

lol

[vague token]

the only possibility is double smoke + juneau

also probably triple eagle backline using essex

[ionic magnet]

i think i prefer this current cancer meta over dace meta

[vague token]

the stall out the foxes

[elder crane]

Basically you'd need to kill Dace
And that's why Nakaga is there, to kill anything that can threaten Dace

Maybe Amkaga is better actually

can focus down CVL main better

[vague token]

na sodak mid

with side eagle cvl

like the new ones

[ionic magnet]

[elder crane]

well then you'd need a VG sonar to survive it
or sacrifical Koln, hmmm

[vague token]

na double smoke can hold sonar

[ionic magnet]

torp bulge backliners

or maybe a new defensive item

[elder crane]

idk you'd be running a sonar rather than proper aux

[vague token]

essex buff with double smoke should be durable enough

for torp and akaga

i think?

[ionic magnet]

hmm sonar yea

[elder crane]

so to counter that fleet I suppose you go less all-in defensively
which then loses to Akaga-Dace

[vague token]

i mean you have your own too

xD

wait are the asw planes eagle

or is there an eagle asw plane

independence gets 15% efficiency on eagle planes

[elder crane]

I suppose you could just protect main fleet and throw in sacrifical Koln
her detect doesn't need her to live past activation, right?

Yes there's one

the AoE ASW plane is Eagle

[vague token]

maybe that?

[elder crane]

the one that's in shop right now

[vague token]

oh boi 2 points from rusher

sodak/essex/independence i guess

independence with double asw

juneau+double smoke

feels ok

sadly bataan has super low asw and no bonus to asw planes

actually doesnt that make independence kinda unique?

cause she's like the only one who can boost efficiency of ASW weapons?

[elder crane]

Does she even boost it though?
🍝 code and all

also only one ASW plane afaik

can't mount 2 of them

oh nvm you can

it's just WS that can't, huh

[vague token]

[still minnow]

how good is the ASW plane btw

[vague token]

well

the aoe would be better for pvp

unless subs dont move

sub boiler meta

jk

[still minnow]

you joke but

XD

[vague token]

i mean we have no idea how yostar would implement subs so

[still minnow]

can we call them yeetstar

[split marten]

you guys enjoying hiryuu kai?

[hot creek]

wait until people max her red skill.

[elder crane]

Well it's not really that impactful
It's more about extra stats imo

you average two mediocre TBs from her skill iirc

[vague token]

actually havent had a problem yet

but im using essex

so

bigger problems than a solo cv

xD

[shell heron]

I wonder is there a mistranslation with her red skill or did they change it that it is always the 20s cd after the first special airstrike

[vague token]

i thought it was 15?

[shell heron]

10s for the first one and 20s for the following airstrikes

[vague token]

oh

[vague token]

ah yes, my favorite, getting big sevened 3 times

[hot creek]

and people think KC is RNG

[vague token]

kek

almost had that match too even with 2 big seven

alas had to reset

i appreciate being able to gun down squishy cls with sirius/baltimore before first cv though

aurora lead

i didnt realize that 75% aux mle is actually really strong

especially with baltimore fixing AP CA damage

so sanrui gun still does good damage on squishy light armor

and the velocity boost helps it actually land hits

[split marten]

you know what feels bad?

all of the starters are pve only boats

[shy hazel]

javelin and laffey were previously used for pvp

like

long ass time ago

[split marten]

yeah back when dinosaurs still roamed the earth

[fierce field]

my Laffey is 110 with 1 million exp just with pvp

[trim horizon]

Sandy is at 62.95%

[split marten]

my nimi is 113 and my jav is 112

mostly from pvp as well lul

and hard mode

[charred sable]

Poor Purple Heart

[silver root]

did we get confirmation that formie's flooding coef. is 0.3?

i keep seeing her dot tick for half as much as essex

might test double ryuusei instead if its not doing that much dmg

[stark raft]

ticks like 3x and it's kinda weak

I'd do 2x ryuusei if they stopped aiming mid tbh

[silver root]

CN also found a nasty bug with formie + homing beacon in PVE

appearantly AL only lets 6 planes lock on to a target for bombs or torps, and with homing beacon formie's barrage planes fly fast enough that they would reach the dotted enemy line at the same as her fighter planes

too many planes = barrage plane wont fire torps and ryuusei torps shooting backwards

i tested a ton but i think it's low-impact in EN pvp for now

[hot creek]

120 Rodney

[midnight heron]

not sure if related but im pretty sure ive seen hiryuu final counter not firing any torps either

[stark raft]

yeah I notice these backwards ryuusei in hardmode event

And I notice torps not launching when enemies will die to crash dmg

[silver root]

its probably buried deep in AL's spaghetti code

some hard cap for 6 planes per target

[stark raft]

Ryuusei always seems to aim at enemy mid often

Im using kgv cent formi atm and formi shoves her ryuusei mid even when cent has already killed mid

[silver root]

might have to delay formie's launch timing so the planes fire after mid dies

[stark raft]

I have formi with helldiver/ryuu/alba

[hot creek]

I see backwards ryuusei from Centaur all the time in pvp, I don't think it matters tho.

[stark raft]

backwards ryuusei from cent times with formi freeze

[charred sable]

One is not like the others...

[stark raft]

it's pretty nice

[vague token]

[silver root]

AL cant handle all the barrage planes

ryuusei aims backwards cause they couldnt fire earlier from the 6 plane limit

by the time the slot opens up they already flew past the target so they shoot backwards

or just not shoot at all if the slot doesnt open fast enough

[stark raft]

2 Reppuu cent should be fast af no?

my other reppuu is stuck in long comms fucksake

[silver root]

cent's swordfish planes have like 40 speed tho

formie's albacores have 60 speed for god knows why, which is also how the bug got noticed

[vague token]

o.O

[hot creek]

backwards ryuusei synced with Za Warudo looks cooler anyways

I wonder is that the reason why Centaur ryuusei skips VG half the time and snipes Nagato.

Usually that it the better outcome anyways, better kill dat bitch b4 she big 7 you.

[silver root]

well the scariest thing is that if the bug is what CN says it is, if u run helldivers with VF-17 and barrage planes, theres a chance u will miss the 2000IB bomb

from lack of target slots

[stark raft]

maybe if i sync them closer

formi can aim at flanks instead of mid

just 10 more levels

[hot creek]

very difficult to do that

on first airstrike

[silver root]

probably not an issue for namaryuu cause hiryuu barrage doesnt really line up with her launches

sucks for the meme cv-comps tho

[hot creek]

fuck hiryuu, wheres my ws kai reeeEEEE

maybe thats why my triple CV comps have been doing so little damage.

[silver root]

its really apparent for EX boss

also i just gave up on syncing airstrikes for flanks and just aim to 1 shot nagato instead

[hot creek]

I wonder does Fortune's backline prot skill stack with Ardent's stack with Yukikaze?

[stark raft]

Cent + Formi shove all their fuckin torps on nagato

shit is hilarious but it's a waste of dmg

[silver root]

hey, at the end of the day 6v5 is better than 6v6

but then again, why not just use WSKai

[hot creek]

soon™

true WS fans have the xmas skin

the rest bandwagoners

[stark raft]

started during CE

no santaspite

[hot creek]

one of her voice lines bugged, volume too low

actually, all of the xmas lines's volume are way too low

very jarring when she speaks between her normal lines and xmas lines as secretary

[stark raft]

just have it at full volume all the time

[hot creek]

debating if I should nickname my ws Soon™

ws kai is inevitable

she will bring balance

fun isn't something she considers when balancing the universe.

[stark raft]

I still dont know who to use for my 3rd slot

KGV Wskai Cent/Formi

I was annoyed when CVL couldnt use the heavy armor aux

Heavy armored Cent dream died

[hot creek]

Why would you not use wskai formi cent.

ws kai literally solves its weakness

[stark raft]

KGV offers VG deletion while taking mid slot

I'll test all of em anyways

[hot creek]

VG already gets deleted anyways

[stark raft]

KGV deletes the fastest

[hot creek]

KGV redundant

[stark raft]

Actually let me take that back

KGV burns nanoda to a crisp the fastest

she cant nanoheal the backline if she gets nanodunked

[hot creek]

Need a Lusty retro that gives her preload airstrike and makes shield not disappear until its spent.

[stark raft]

Give her a final counter

each shield that gets broken makes her launch a barrage

[midnight heron]

so i just realised u hav to manually collect data keys everyday from war archive zzz

y make ppl go thru tons of menus just to collect smth

[hot creek]

is there any point in doing war archives if you already did that event?

[still minnow]

I'm upset that they didn't just re-run the event, I want repuus

and I don't have any

and if they just reran the event I'd be able to get one from the event shop without grinding my ass off

[trim horizon]

researches gives Reppu

[still minnow]

not sure why you're suggesting to do the slowest method in the entire game to get them when I'm complaining about not being able to get them quickly...

[trim horizon]

http://prntscr.com/pc2gxs

you still have to grind the event

[still minnow]

well if I want 4 repuus

[midnight heron]

u can still get certain drops u missed

[trim horizon]

also we got the rerun

[still minnow]

then being able to get one from the event store knocks my grind down by 25% off the bat

[trim horizon]

[still minnow]

I started at the end of august

[trim horizon]

the only rerun we've got

[hot creek]

4 reppus wew

[still minnow]

I have 3 cvs, including illutrious

so if I want to use repuus on all of them then I need 4

[hot creek]

just use 3 reppu 1 pirate

[still minnow]

I'm trying to make my cvs launch as fast as possible

hopefully so they can bomb enty

before she procs lucky e

and cucks them out of their entire launch

[ionic magnet]

just use skyrocket

and yea collecting data keys manually is a joke from devs yet again

[trim horizon]

none of the event in WarArch is worth the 15 min tbh

[midnight heron]

they shudve just made it a daily mission so u can collect it like all the other reward

[still minnow]

or just give them to you

it's not complicated

[ionic magnet]

or you know just autoatically replenish ilke sub charges

[midnight heron]

guess devs dont use brain

[still minnow]

usually F2P games do this when they want to limit you from getting it

but I can't think of any reason why they would want to make you get these less often

[ionic magnet]

yea it worked just fine

i missed 2 keys already

not like i need it

[shy hazel]

data keys?

????

[hot creek]

I didn't even realize it was important to do war archives at all

just collected my first two keys

[midnight heron]

even if its not impt i still want it for dc event so i can get z46 from drop

[ionic magnet]

yea war archives keys

[still minnow]

it isn't which is why it makes zero sense that they'd want to make you miss keys

[shy hazel]

o that

[ionic magnet]

dc will have rerun

or we riot

[trim horizon]

cucked from the 2nd rainbowtorp

[still minnow]

?

oh the magnetic

am I at a disadvantage because I don't have one

[ionic magnet]

we missed u47 anyways so no reason to not do a rerun

[trim horizon]

[shy hazel]

pvp perspective

[trim horizon]

see how they gonna slap it in the perma pool

[shy hazel]

big disadvantage

[still minnow]

great

[trim horizon]

w/ WarArch DC

[midnight heron]

still dont understand y they dont let new players buy the gear the missed out with points during event rerun

[hot creek]

just mail everyone da torps and skip rerun ez

[trim horizon]

PvP rewards

[midnight heron]

i mean u still gotta farm for the points so y cuck them for no gud reason

[trim horizon]

they adding WC gears in core shop so

[midnight heron]

but its trash gear

[still minnow]

because new players don't exist

it's true for people in the discord too

they act like new players don't exist

[trim horizon]

I mean, they'll probably do the same w/ FW gear

[ionic magnet]

hey they slowed down content for newbies

[still minnow]

if you talk about an event people will say "but we got that one already"

[ionic magnet]

if anything old peeps has more to complain about

[still minnow]

what do you mean

I've only seen new stuff

until now

[ionic magnet]

nothing to do nothing to grind

you cant just expect to have everything by playing for 1 month no?

in any game

[trim horizon]

[midnight heron]

ofc not but the lack of accessibility is a big turn off

[still minnow]

^

[ionic magnet]

you can farm in archives tho

[still minnow]

my issue isn't about whether I have it, it's about whether I'm even allowed to get it

[midnight heron]

yea but u cant farm the event specific point exchange gear

[still minnow]

I highly doubt that I'm going to be able to farm anything from the archives in a timely manner due to the time restriction

basically only get to do 2 runs per day

[ionic magnet]

thats just a small price to pay for starting out late imo

in the end you can still get it

[still minnow]

fucking excuse me? I should not be paying any price for starting out late

[ionic magnet]

lmao

[still minnow]

that isn't how this should work

[ionic magnet]

really

[midnight heron]

even tho i can understand the reason behind ur statement i never agree to such implementations

[hot creek]

at least its not like KC, new players get ultra cucked.

Missing Iowa, Saratoga and a bunch of good equips.

[midnight heron]

even if its not as bad its still a step in dat direction

[silver root]

it should be like PR system, the access is always there but takes a lot of investment

[hot creek]

AL you can clear hard mode with basic shit

[silver root]

plus the whales will pay to catch up

[still minnow]

if I wanted to subject myself to "first come first serve" meta then I would focus on IRL

[ionic magnet]

except all games are like that

[silver root]

instead of this "no idea when we bringing the equips back lol"

[still minnow]

this is literally the only game I've ever played that is like that

[midnight heron]

changes can always be made

[still minnow]

I'll freely admit that it isn't as bad as other gacha games tend to be

but not being "as scummy" as your competition is a small victory

and it's not something I'm going to praise anyone for

[shy hazel]

means u havent tried the mother of all waifu games

fgo

[still minnow]

nope no idea what that is

[midnight heron]

i never tried cuz i heard enuf horror stories of p2w

[trim horizon]

[shy hazel]

anything you miss wont be coming back

after 2 years

from gears to units

[hot creek]

I started FGO a month before best girl release, then I got her successfully and quit.

[trim horizon]

we have some limited servants that had 2 rate ups in the 4 years they are out

[shy hazel]

[ionic magnet]

[trim horizon]

and the only way you can get them is through GSSR which is RNG and you have to pay for

[midnight heron]

how much % is rate up

[trim horizon]

not enough

[hot creek]

its like 0.7% or some shit

[still minnow]

what does fgo stand for

I saw that

u jokester

[trim horizon]

fate grind order

[still minnow]

oh lol

the only thing I know about that

[trim horizon]

like If you don't have the good units you cant farm properly in a reasonable time

[still minnow]

is that every time I've found a traumatizing doujin

there's like an 80% chance it's fate grand order

that's the only thing I know

no idea why or how

[hot creek]

the most punishing gacha, if you're not a lucker dog or whale

[trim horizon]

game meant for whale

At least if you play in JP you pretty much fucked if you miss a limited banner

in EN you have a roadmap of the incoming events

[midnight heron]

the most jarring story i heard was on some youtube vid or smth where some guy spent 70k (or 17k i forgot) on it

[trim horizon]

yeah, and then quit

for FF14

[still minnow]

??????

[midnight heron]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-fxfuWhff0||

[trim horizon]

ah this dude

there is someone

who spent more

[midnight heron]

[trim horizon]

and then quit for FF14

||https://www.youtube.com/user/Rexlent90/videos||

[midnight heron]

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/Eml2I/a2356ccc03.png lmao

[midnight heron]

well ofc

[trim horizon]

[hot creek]

yo I know rexlent. used to whale in KC

[trim horizon]

big whale

[hot creek]

had a bunch of oath ships.

[trim horizon]

dude have every units payable, except the free one that have no reruns of rerun

[stark raft]

2 ryuuseis at 40k event pts

sonofabitch

[trim horizon]

Sandy is at 61.86

[stark raft]

feels like vdir all over again

[trim horizon]

Liptona carrying the server

[hot creek]

I feel I got enough ryuuseis ill ever need already

[trim horizon]

VC armor is trash ?

[stark raft]

how many ryuuseis do you have? 3?

I need to have atleast 4-5

wont know when they'll drop indomitable