pvp

[sharp wing]

that was subs

[haughty latch]

What faction

[midnight heron]

oh yea i forgot

lul

[sharp wing]

Enty

Cent and 1 more ryussei user

[midnight heron]

enty cent ark

[sharp wing]

yeah

[haughty latch]

My enty 120 I did a practice and she didn't break much more than my bb

[sharp wing]

double ryuu ark

[midnight heron]

how tho

my underlvled enty destroyed my bb dmg

lul

[sharp wing]

maybe she didn't proc

[haughty latch]

Mind only did 20k

[sharp wing]

lmao

[midnight heron]

impossible

[sharp wing]

idk something totally wrong

maybe she was ungeared

[haughty latch]

Let me check

Naw she all 10 unless I stripped her

[midnight heron]

well not rly impossible but i didnt check how many times my own enty procced so

[sharp wing]

qeq

I'm using my thicchoe

[midnight heron]

i just assume equal procs as my bb

and my bb still lost

[sharp wing]

3 cv setup here i go

[midnight heron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/516951413411020819/626838024097103913/unknown.png

[haughty latch]

Yeah all planes are 10 with 10 steam and oil

[midnight heron]

namagi is a joke

[haughty latch]

Let me practice

Maybe she didn't proc

[sharp wing]

run practise ex

[midnight heron]

only useful pvp pawns

tho it seems my torp vg carried

did u try torp vg tho

[haughty latch]

Yeah only 21k Belfast out dps her

[midnight heron]

wats ur bb dmg anyway

[elder crane]

Aya almost outdid my entire backline alone
so yeah, use torpVG

EX boss pattern is non-threatening anyways

[celest summit]

hello, I'm not too good with pvp, is akashi a good ship to have in my fleet?

[elder crane]

Akashi is a niche PvE ship

[haughty latch]

Alright so she proc once and got 26k

[midnight heron]

akashi in pvp

[celest summit]

i take that as a no lol

[elder crane]

Yeah, it's a no

[midnight heron]

well there was once a vid of someone including akashi in a fleet and winning meta teams so take dat however u will

[elder crane]

That was just Namagi

doing Namagi things

[midnight heron]

i refuse to believe

[elder crane]

you could bring a brick in 3rd slot and still do okayish

[midnight heron]

[elder crane]

that's all Hyuuga was to that team anyways

[haughty latch]

Ignore my vanguard trying out things

But that my bb

[midnight heron]

y my bb do trash dmg

[haughty latch]

My qe usually higher she missed alot

[elder crane]

git gud

[sharp wing]

QE needs glasses

[haughty latch]

They're also auto no manual

[midnight heron]

dats even more ridiculous

[haughty latch]

She needs wedding skin you mean

[elder crane]

Auto is actually fine for BBs
it's better than manual even unless you're super consistent with aim

[midnight heron]

i mean u say u cant break 100k y not just manual

[haughty latch]

I did 116k I guess I was lying but yeah

[midnight heron]

liar

[haughty latch]

I was trying out new stuff my London only 105

And auroa like 117

[elder crane]

I can't quite reach 350k so far
I think I'll try a few more stuff out and give up if I can't figure it out in a few H

[haughty latch]

Who do you use

[midnight heron]

i cant even break 180k

[elder crane]

It's mostly Aya carrying, she does like 1/3 of the damage

[haughty latch]

I might double torp everyone my waifus survive

[elder crane]

Jint and Helena for other VGs

[haughty latch]

Yeah I need to level my helena

[elder crane]

Main I've been trying out lots of stuff

[haughty latch]

So your Aya doing that much?

[elder crane]

Yeah she's pushing 100k

[haughty latch]

Even if she pushing that much how is everyone else like 260k

That seems insane

[midnight heron]

jintsuu doing another 100k

[elder crane]

Jint does over 50k
Main fleet does almost 40k each average
and then subs chip in a bit

I'm not convinced Helena is worth
I'll try some CV setups and if those don't work out that well, I'll drop her for Sendai probs

[haughty latch]

What mains you using

I wish I leveled up more than just hms lol

[midnight heron]

shes not worth cuz its too much rng for a 1min fight where u cant reset i.e. too inconsistent and maximum 2 procs (at least in theory)

[elder crane]

HMS is what I have currently, lol
Monarch Dork and WS
but I've also tried JB, Ark, Amagi, Nagato
aside from Ark sucking on self dmg they all mostly end up similar dmg

[haughty latch]

Is your monarch maxed?

[elder crane]

Nope, I wish

she's dev25 and holds her own

imagine if she was dev30...

[haughty latch]

I mean my ws is getting we buff and yours does like 14k more dmg?

[elder crane]

you using 410AP?

And Helena buff?

And Dork skill as well

also levels are a huge deal
WS is on the lower end of those I gave btw

[haughty latch]

I'm using 406

[elder crane]

oh no
use 1 BBHE and rest if possible 410AP

or even Lit gun in a pinch

[haughty latch]

So use 410 on em all?

What aux u using

[elder crane]

also unless you've timings set up twin410's 3 shots are better while mk6 doesn't unless you autoloader
and autoloader is super questionable imo

Double shell or Shell/HFCR

I don't have a second black shell sadly so I make do with SG on someone
though boss eva is super high I think so not too much loss, probably

[haughty latch]

I didn't play for hfcr

I got double shells though

I just wanna make sure but you're using the 410 purple right?

[elder crane]

Okay I found my fleet bois

and Aya didn't even get good procs

350+k damage

Seems like Ark does fine if you stack more slows
I'll need to try out Cent/Formi too, but ugh they're lv106

time to see if it's consistent

Wait EN has boss HP nerfed?

looooooool

[haughty latch]

The fuck

[trim horizon]

?

[elder crane]

Wait I hear CN has EX at 600k HP
But why does practice in EN have boss at what I think is 500k?

[smoky elk]

498k

[elder crane]

eyyy I almost hit 400k
yeah I'll probs stop faffing around now and actually run it

[hot creek]

wait, you can test without using a ticket?

[elder crane]

Yes

Okay since I'm using 556 I need to either get worse or strip defensive aux off Helena

I want that barrage

argh so close

almost killed it

How hard is Hard, guys?
Like, can I run a bunch of rando lv110s and still win?

[south ore]

yes

[smoky elk]

can win hard even with high lvl 1:1

[elder crane]

lol

[smoky elk]

is there droplist for suruga grind?

[hot creek]

my subs so shit

[vague token]

if only i had torp memes leveled

[elder crane]

yeah torpmemes defs MVP

[vague token]

alas, 200k is best i can get probably

or they could make the fight longer

xD

[elder crane]

if they made it any longer I could kill

[vague token]

they'd boost the hp of course

2 minutes, 1 million plus hp

xD

[elder crane]

I think I might still be able to kill
cause then 5 strikes/BB volleys vs 2, and only 5 vs 3 torp volleys

subs die off ofc but I don't really rely on them

[vague token]

i dont think my subs died but i cant remember

[elder crane]

no as in their dmg die off

[vague token]

oh

[elder crane]

they don't benefit from a longer fight

[vague token]

i mean that's good, torps should be about front loaded and not extended dps ;)

[elder crane]

it's always weird to me to see a sub taking MVP
last event siren farm, whenever I called my sub in, she took MVP over a 112 Sandy and 110 alabama as a lv97 u73
all about that burst I suppose

[vague token]

depends on which subs too

[elder crane]

if u73 can do it most subs can, I think

[vague token]

like the sub with piercing torpedos can easily snipe mvp

assuming she hits max targets

double gato has a ton of barrages

in addition to albacore's burn damage

[blazing scroll]

I need to lvl my I168

[vague token]

wolf pack... well, maybe with the cats they can be cool

xD

they seem more defensive with the evasion boost

[elder crane]

wolf pack has by far the hardest hitting nonbarrage torps

[vague token]

they dont get as many barrages and flat damage mods

yeah the base torps should be good

[elder crane]

and their barrage is quite good too, tight spread of homing torps

[vague token]

but since ijn has skill and class based barrages

[elder crane]

it's really good vs single-target

[vague token]

it's tough to close that gap

[elder crane]

I think vs single-target their single barrage almost rivals the 2 IJN
and probs actually beats out USN 3, since theirs is super wide and nonhoming

[vague token]

there's no reason to run triple us

[elder crane]

I mean their triple barrage

entry, surface, leave

[vague token]

oh ok

cavalla's gets a good mod though

15% boost

[elder crane]

she like hits 1 on each target though

good vs spread of enemies but single-target is questionable

[vague token]

oh yeah, but albacore has the tick damage so it's fine

xD

only need oneeee

stack all the dots

[elder crane]

you can see that in my EX above
u556 of all subs beat her in dmg

both lv100

and she was running 2 torpsticks to 556's 1

[vague token]

well like you said, single boss vs having to clear adds on siren

[blazing scroll]

[vague token]

xD

[blazing scroll]

That is pretty bad

[vague token]

personally id prefer having bosses with adds so you can use the On Kill boats

eg minne

[elder crane]

yeah
and inflate the dmg of ships with spread dmg/AoE

[vague token]

but that's just a design thing

i just wish there was a way to make target furthest ignore production

because then it makes ws/dork sad

like, i want both scenarios xD

but i cant have both =(

[elder crane]

Also I hear, was it Sandy or Wash is at 90% already on event?

Avrora is at 93+%, casual server confirmed?

[daring fractal]

wash is only 92.66 tho?

[elder crane]

lol Avrora casual server now bois

[vague token]

[elder crane]

and yeah Hard is super easy

[vague token]

i mean ex doesnt do a ton of damage

so it's actually not that bad

i was expecting ex to shred like ember lol

[elder crane]

yeah I actually have to go out of my way to take dmg

so u556 activates

I was all super paranoid and entered practice with Lusty and ready to ditch torpmemes

[vague token]

same

[elder crane]

but lol now I double dildo

[vague token]

also did the pasta 381mm always have 10% damage boost?

i dont remember that

[elder crane]

[vague token]

it says Volley Damage Increased by 10%

on its skill

in addition to the reload penalty

[elder crane]

oh wtf
that seems new
wait that means I should run it for this event, right?

[vague token]

i dunno

cause i dont know if that means like

is the reload penalty to the cooldown

[elder crane]

I don't get 3 volleys off anyways

[vague token]

or your reload stat

[elder crane]

penalty yes

[vague token]

ok

[elder crane]

oh idk

[vague token]

and the volley damage

why does it say volley

and not like shelling

localization changes the wording on things every time

[elder crane]

eyy it does like 0.5% more damage per volley than 410AP

[vague token]

like, why does it say after 2 volleys that it has the reload penalty

does that mean if you only have MGM+1

you wont get penalized until 2nd gun set?

I DONT UNDERSTAND

X_x

[elder crane]

guns are separate I think so it should be normal/normal/looong

[vague token]

yeah but say georgia uses this gun

[elder crane]

and MGM+X is ignored

[vague token]

oh

so then it basically doesnt matter?

im pretty sure volley is each mount

X_x

[elder crane]

Only on a ship skill

on guns, well, this is the first one

each gun acts independently for MGM+X usually though

[vague token]

I'll take What is Consistency for 1000

daily double

maybe i can find it on cn wiki

[elder crane]

it's like how each MGM+X gun reload time ignores other gun's VT and can have own targeting/hold fire

I think

[vague token]

[elder crane]

but yeah spread is an issue I suppose so 410AP is probs actually not any worse/better still

even if time is too short to reach 3rd volley

[vague token]

EN wiki doesnt even have Volley in any of the descriptions

xD

(skill descriptions i should say)

[elder crane]

Increase Volley DMG of ship that equipped this gun by 10.0% and after firing 2 Volleys, the next Volley will have its reload increased by 30.0%. This effect will then reset.

idk it's in there

https:// azurlane.koumakan. jp/Triple_381mm_(Model_1934)#Type_3

[vague token]

no i meant like ship skills

i wanted something to compare it to

[midnight heron]

cant compare if translation is inconsistent

[vague token]

i guess this is the first skill with volley in it

[elder crane]

oh
yeah roon says rounds, idk who else has similar effect

[vague token]

yeah but on en wiki

chain cannon

says round

as well

so Round is like 1 MGM

Salvo is ALSO 1 MGM

roon is extra confusing because if Round is 1 MGM

doesnt that mean she swaps ammo every gun cooldown

since she has MGM+1

so Round SOMETIMES might not mean mgm

but sometimes it does

but yeah since the fight is short pasta 381 might actually be good

since it has 10% amp

[elder crane]

wait lol you can do 15 of each difficulty?

that's... so grindy....

[vague token]

per day?

o.O

think ill pass on that oil cost

lol

[midnight heron]

only 30 in total supposedly

[elder crane]

EX counts or no?

[sharp wing]

In help it says u can do only 30 bonus fights, so i assume only 2 difficulties 15

[midnight heron]

no

[vague token]

ex has its own tickets

[midnight heron]

also having to do 30 fights a day is just ridiculous

[elder crane]

still very grindy smh

[sharp wing]

U can also use tickets to do bonus regular matches

[midnight heron]

idk how they even came up with dis idea

[elder crane]

I'll script this, sigh

[vague token]

lol

[midnight heron]

not to mention if u wanna get all the individual rewards

[sharp wing]

AL Idle sidegame confirmed

[midnight heron]

u pretty much hav to score very well in ex + do all ur 30 dailies

[vague token]

i already play it like an idle game lol

[sharp wing]

at least u can store ex tickets and do them someday later

[elder crane]

hmm what's the EX score needed

someone calc!

[smoky elk]

498.4k (EX Suruga's total hp)

[elder crane]

One day I'll have god RNG and kill her
I'm at 464534 max dmg already

watch as game crashes cause they didn't code for it

or I get banned cause "must be cheater" trap is activated

[sharp wing]

I might hold off ex for few days

esp since connection iffy

[elder crane]

wait til we scout it out for you, huh?

[vague token]

i thought they patched it already

[sharp wing]

I'll give em 2 days

expect another hotfix

and ofc i'll yeet feedback

[midnight heron]

i havent gotten any problems

||yet||

[sharp wing]

||Y337||

gonna train my underlvled CVs at hard

[south ore]

the point feed is still broken on sandy

[elder crane]

oh lol is our boss damage pattern nerfed too in EN

supposedly there's torps for CN/JP?

I don't see any

[vague token]

there's no torps on en

[elder crane]

loooooooool

why so casual

[sharp wing]

lol, my 83 taihoe flaged hard boss, only went down half hp

[elder crane]

I just sit in Suruga's face for the last 30s and she barely outputs enough to threaten to kill a ship

[sharp wing]

yeah

even my 99 Jintsu

[vague token]

lel

wait

i just saw her shoot torpedos

[elder crane]

120 Helena with 0 survivability aux on my end
I do that to trigger u556, otherwise that doesn't even happen

[vague token]

she has them

[sharp wing]

also, bloody hell cent + formie + thicchoe procs... screen dies

[vague token]

yeah i think i wont be able to do much more than 200k

i dont have the right ships leveled for this

[sharp wing]

Well, boss actually launches torps

1 fan spread

from time to time

doing hard modes alone for even period should give u over 23k

[vague token]

no i meant damage

xD

[sharp wing]

i know

we need 60k max reward

But let's be frank

Who need that rainbow box for 60k

[midnight heron]

good luck with dat lul

[vague token]

xD

[midnight heron]

i wud barely even reach the 700 core data one

[sharp wing]

38k last meaninful reward without tryharding

700 core data

extra 10k score for 48k 2 BPs...

well, no ty

Frankly speaking u get main event rewards at 10k

which u easily get by not even doing 15 daily Hards each day

cause that yields over 23k

Where is 3rd new aux tho? I only see 2 in rewards

there supposed to be 2 armors and 1 DD aux

[vague token]

[south ore]

3rd will be in core data shop on refresh no?

[vague token]

na core data only getting the battery, the plane, and a ship

im just doing them on auto while doing other stuff

ill do ex some other time since the ticket stacks

i wish SPs used tickets

instead of daily entrance

_>

get some ayaya and jintsuu xp i guess

[sharp wing]

I just lvl at Hard now

qeq

exp is mediocre tho

[vague token]

d3 had better xp

xD

[sharp wing]

d3 was op exp for solo flags

120 ships before 200 aff

and my Mahans got few lvls too

they carry hard

[elder crane]

in 1 day my Formi went from 95 to 105
yeah
and that was without MVP

[sharp wing]

I still failed to farm second alba and 1st Zara gun

even i cleared all shop

i was almost at 60k

droprates just succ

[vague token]

i tried so hard for that sap gun

13/15

=(

[sharp wing]

11/15

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

and some ppl got it at 40k

and less

[elder crane]

I got 2 of it :P

[sharp wing]

I'm not really gonna farm any event gear

[elder crane]

28 prints in ~50k for me

[sharp wing]

Iris was same bs

[vague token]

personally id like the drop rate to go up 2-3x and the required bps to go to 25

or 35 or w/e

that way your progress is more steady

you just take more runs but it's consistent

[sharp wing]

I just want the normal exchange system

u farm points and buy bps from shop

[vague token]

that'd be nice if you could get infinite bps for increasing costs

xD

[sharp wing]

qeq, i swaped Aya for helena for lulz and my thicchoe got mvp

[vague token]

first 15 cost flat amount

after that scale per extra

[sharp wing]

helena still manages to do damage without torps tho, but she's 30 lvls higher

dunno if this boss really resistant to gun damage

[vague token]

i dunno if she has true heavy armor

[elder crane]

yeah there might be some gun dmg resistance quackery here

[vague token]

so far my top ex practice was like 75k on ayaya 115 though

xD

sadly jintsuu is only 102 so big rip

[elder crane]

I've had her go above 100k

[shell heron]

looks like torp CVs is the way to go for EX

[vague token]

also i feel like dive bomb damage is a bit weird too

[smoky elk]

what if there's Dork and Helena in the torp/cv mix ?

[vague token]

i think i hit 34k with sara helena/dork boost

[smoky elk]

fot +dt

[sharp wing]

dork won't make u deal more than 3rd CV would contribute, unless u sync her w/ torp vg

really hard hitting

like stack 6 torps + dork debuff

[vague token]

yeah

i just feel like bomb damage might be reduced compared to torp bomb damage

xD

[sharp wing]

It's about big pps torps

[vague token]

but sara at least gives torp memes more damage

[sharp wing]

ohboi...

[vague token]

15% more

[sharp wing]

Lol, game froze when i clicked start... zzzz

And u want me to EX like this

-1 tix

[daring fractal]

yeah I already lost a ticket to the loading bug

[vague token]

oof

[daring fractal]

not using another until they confirmed fixed it

[sharp wing]

Gladly it was Hard

[vague token]

i only did ex once in the morning

and it worked fine

rest has been practice

[sharp wing]

I mean, I bugged on Hard, no way i touch EX

[vague token]

still not sure who to use with dork/sara

[elder crane]

Anyone with another slow probably
Formi or Ark

[vague token]

is there any other mains that buff vanguard

[elder crane]

Cent does but she can't use own slow

oh VG

[vague token]

i thought cent buffed main

[elder crane]

skk then

[vague token]

lol

oh

[sharp wing]

Formie kinda too short for all planes to reach end of screne in time

Cent can't use own, cause she on hit

[vague token]

shou is actually full team right?

[sharp wing]

buff? ye

[vague token]

that might be good actually

and she has a billion torp bombers lol

[sharp wing]

she is 2/2/4

kinda unique

[vague token]

basically pray dork lands the slow, shoot dork gun for amp

then mash cv/torps

sara and shou double buffing vanguard

push ayayaya to ultimate torp power

[sharp wing]

run sendai and jint w/ aya

ultimate torpedo works

[smoky elk]

all ap guns on torpmeme will it do better?

[sharp wing]

torpmeme guns?

[vague token]

i dont think sendai is worth over helena

[sharp wing]

aya needs 76 to proc demon... Sendais better of w/ barrage gun

Helena is rng

sendai 100%

Helena might not proc single time

[vague token]

yeah but high scoreeee

[sharp wing]

• if boss has eva, sendai helps

[vague token]

i dont think she does

xD

[sharp wing]

I think Blue said she kinda does have high eva

[vague token]

i mean, even with rudder style bb evade cls have plenty of hit rate since no amagi buff

[sharp wing]

Just do EX practise and see if she evades anything xD

[vague token]

unless she has some whacky stats

at least i didnt notice a ton of misses

dunno though

[sharp wing]

I mean, she evades CV torps

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

at least

[vague token]

the average carrier has under 90 hit

compared to like 150 of cls

xD

so yeah

[sharp wing]

90 hit that's kinda high

[vague token]

well owari da has 107

[sharp wing]

Well, my sub 100 has low af xd

[vague token]

centaur and sara are 90s

[sharp wing]

acc actually grows w/ lvl, unlike luck

[vague token]

foxes are uh 90 flat

so the majority of cvs hover around 90 with a few differences

[sharp wing]

yeah, that's 120

[vague token]

yeah

oh there is the level difference penalty

it could be that too

isnt ex boss 125?

[sharp wing]

yes

[vague token]

so yeah underleveled cvs can understandably whiff

[sharp wing]

Well, I didn't really see my 3 CV miss on Hard boss, but EX...

[vague token]

120 cls shouldnt whiff too much

jintsuu has 151

[sharp wing]

tho they are 83 max

[vague token]

xD

[sharp wing]

my formie is 73 something

[vague token]

helena has the best hit lol at 175

[smoky elk]

will Kawa 's torp dmg still get lvl-penalty regardless?

[sharp wing]

still launches before thichoe

Kawaii torps are bad vs Heavy

she is Light slayer

[vague token]

unless boss has weird armor

and just uses dr skills

because magic

[sharp wing]

well, vs Med she ok

just ok

nothing special

But she excels at hunting Light

[vague token]

are dd HE grey on medium?

i forget

[sharp wing]

i think

anything CA+

[vague token]

/and avrora

xD

medium cl bois

[sharp wing]

the thing is in PVE even carriers are treated w/ reduction

like if they heavy

[vague token]

isnt that because pve just uses the class

[sharp wing]

yeah

[vague token]

eg Carriers = heavy

[sharp wing]

pve is more of class

[vague token]

to the pve mode

yeah

[sharp wing]

So it's not really strict on armor

like only CLs are med

Any CLs

anythng bigger is greyed

[vague token]

What is Consistency for 1000

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

are there even any useful bps from hard mode

xD

[smoky elk]

Ryusei, i guess?

[vague token]

ah

[sharp wing]

I'm closing on my 3rd...

projects pool too inflated w/ regular gears

[vague token]

add event gear to pr and just scrap all the standard ones xD

[sharp wing]

hell

[silver root]

i been running tests and found out hiryuu kai's hanafuda planes trigger ur fighters to launch

[sharp wing]

Also, why they copy only fleet to other difficulties and no subs... have to set for each diff

[silver root]

does that apply to all airplane "barrages"?

[sharp wing]

yes

[vague token]

yes

[silver root]

nice

[sharp wing]

any planes trigger it

[vague token]

i dont think it's possible to kill hanafuda though

[sharp wing]

anything that flies

it is possible

[silver root]

well that opens up all kinds of possibilities

[sharp wing]

my vg rekts em

[vague token]

oh xD

i also havent seen them drop bombs on vg

like ever

so far

[sharp wing]

they barely reach main, 1 plane at low hp

they drop torps

they have no bombs

[vague token]

sorry, like ive never seen them deploy at like the vg area

and then go further to backline like normal cudas

[sharp wing]

eh

they deploy from cv

or end of screen

[vague token]

the torpedos?

[sharp wing]

i haven't looked closely

no, planes

[vague token]

oh i meant the torpedos

[sharp wing]

torpedoes drop around vg

at least when she is on def

[vague token]

the one guy i had only hit main and i never saw torpedos on my vanguard area

[sharp wing]

my vg swim in them

[vague token]

xD

id rather my vg soak them, i think they were hitting from like 600-900

[sharp wing]

I'll go test it if i have any on list

[vague token]

yeah ill look more closely next time

[silver root]

arent they like lvl 4 or 5 at most tho

[vague token]

i mean they still get nagato's avi and damage boost though

xD

[sharp wing]

they still have same torps

[silver root]

[sharp wing]

they droped around mid from what i see

[vague token]

for some reason only namagi/enty on my list

xD

[sharp wing]

they drop like behind Enemy VG on def

[vague token]

ah i see

[sharp wing]

so around middle field

And they mostly get rekt by aa

[vague token]

dear god that torpedo

is huge

lol

[sharp wing]

lmao

[vague token]

BIG TORP

[sharp wing]

thicc dildo

[vague token]

oh right i finished pasta ships to 70 so i can put formidable back in the dorm

xD

[sharp wing]

yeah, they droped around mid field, either between VGs or even sometimes behind enemy VG if it pushes

[vague token]

gotcha

[sharp wing]

I need creds to mlb Zara and get border

mlbed 2 other ships

and hiryu retro

so rip

[vague token]

wait what if we used pasta destroyer in torp team

70% chance to boost lead and self damage by 15%

put ayaya in front

and she gets 50% torp damage for first 3 torp launches

bringing her effective torp ratio to like 180

well no one probably has 120 carabiniere so i guess it's w/e

[sharp wing]

she has atrocious torp eff tho

It's another 200 iq design

[vague token]

50% amp means it's 180 more or less

[sharp wing]

all she get at lb is gun eff

[vague token]

if she had more she'd be more busted than jintsuu

except doesnt jintsuu still buff her

jintsuu is all dd/cl

not just ijn right?

yeah

her efficiency is tied with jintsuu if you multiply 120 by 1.5

not counting jintsuu's extra damage boost

and her own 15% amp for lead/back vanguard

double oxy patches her torp base up

[sharp wing]

and she has like 260 torp at 120

[vague token]

yeah so does ibuki xD

[sharp wing]

i buki has crits

[vague token]

you can crit on top of 50% damage boost

[sharp wing]

and highest eff

[vague token]

and with jintsuu is pretty good odds

of big damage

[sharp wing]

i'd rather just use another buffer, like sendai, or yet better kagerou

[vague token]

she is a buffer though

[sharp wing]

she is rng buffer

[vague token]

70% is reliable

xD

[sharp wing]

70% for 15%...

just take constant 15%

[vague token]

15% torp =/= 15% damage

[sharp wing]

kagerous also has 550+ torp and 155% eff

and 2k+ hp

• chain torps

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

actually

she is lit

but sendai buffs both reload+torp

[vague token]

does the reload buff even matter in 60 seconds?

like does it get you an extra launch?

[sharp wing]

won't it make u do 3 in 60 sec?

[vague token]

i dunno xD

[sharp wing]

at least much faster 3rd launch

rainbow reload is well over 22 sec on 120 nanoda

200 aff

that's 236 reload

Bel maxed w/ quads also over 20

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

that 15% reload buff might actually make 3rd launch

[vague token]

is that with jintsuu's reload already factored in

[sharp wing]

nah

[vague token]

oh lol

xD

actually the other nice thing about pasta dd

is she can buff ibuki

unlike all the torp buffers

;))))

[sharp wing]

wait, Jint 20% reload buff should already make 3rd launch

w/ sendai it's 35%

[vague token]

might be too much reload?

like 20% should be good 35 wouldnt actually get another?

[sharp wing]

ye probably

so just take Kagerou

or tanikaze

kagerou more reliable

Tanikaze kai actually tanky

almost 2150 hp and over 200 eva

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

little cockroach

over 570 torps at 165% eff

[silver root]

triple ryuusei on 3 CVs with formie is fucking beautiful

insta-delete vg + 90% chance to erase nagato on first airstrike

[vague token]

kagerou is 15% vanguard torp right?

yeah

im trying to compare different combinations of like

ibuki/jintsuu/15% vanguard torp/carabiniere

and escort fleet

subs wont get escort fleet buff though

is her expected damage amp better than helenas though?

kk

ill add her on to the list

im trying to see how valuable carabiniere's 15% lead amp is

also buffs herself

since we dont need to look at solo damage as it is a raid, just need to see what combination of 3 gives the most total expected damage

ibuki with 15% torp boost is lower than carabiniere buff, but that makes sense cause 15% torp doesnt translate to 15% damage

oh wow, jintsuu's expected damage is pretty close to ibuki's when they both have Escort+Carabiniere Buff

im kinda surprised

maybe ibuki/jintsuu/carabiniere for highest total damage

lemme check aya

[shy hazel]

i think

craptons of people

didnt do their charges

[vague token]

actually i think ayanami lead, jintsuu, and carabiniere might have highest total torp

or just use helena

instead of pasta

i guess i could adjust for activation rate

[sharp wing]

just use kagerou

[vague token]

i think even adjusting for the activation rate

carab pushes higher expected damage

lemme add kagerou in and add all these up

xD

[hot creek]

kiro has a leveled kagerou

[vague token]

lol no

im just using spreadsheet

[sharp wing]

lol, normal is just lvl 60

and has no gold ryuu...

[vague token]

eww

[elder crane]

oh man
I was wondering why my damage seemed off
I clicked the wrong saved setup for Aya/Jint
I was trying to see if quad magtorp Aya loaded fast enough for an extra volley (she doesn't if I want to match team timings) - which is why my damage was so much lower than I expected on her....whoops

[vague token]

xD

[elder crane]

vs quint rainbow that's a lotta damage lost
and bad procs and stuck controls (c'mon Nox....) means I got my first actual run of sub 300k EX....

[sharp wing]

oh, normal boss is thicchoe

killing thicchoe w/ thicchoe

[elder crane]

oh I think it makes sense Avrora is behind on completion%
apparently devs adjust req for each server, makes sense

Avrora just dipped below 90

think I can make it to top3 contribution?

[vague token]

dear god the number of times im getting big sevened after i wipe vanguard is unbelievable

[elder crane]

yeah it's why on offense winning VG is not a super big deal

big7 means you can't survive to another torp for nonykkz

[vague token]

all i want is to vanguard shield the final counter xD

while baltimore does some gun dps

but they always push middle

instead of top/bottom

when vanguard wipes

[shy hazel]

so kiro

what is your best fleet for ex

lemme copy it

@vague token

[vague token]

lol, my best is like dork/sara/whoever/helena/aya/jintsuu, but helena/aya/and jintsuu are all undereleveled

go ask someone with true torp memes

xD

[shell heron]

Famine was in here earlier. 120 centaur and formi does work on EX

Too bad I didn't work on either one

[vague token]

i feel like dork/centaur/sara should be the best though

if i had centaur at 120

xD

lots of modifiers being thrown out

she adds 15% escort fleet damage ok

centaur buffs backline

dork buffs all damage

yeah

basically you just pray dork lands her gun slow

then you dont have to stress out about centaur

who then buffs the backline and slows further

dork lands first shell for amp

sara buffs frontline

then you mash torps

[elder crane]

I don't think Dork/Cent/Sara is optimal at all

[shy hazel]

sara 🚮 🚮 🚮

[elder crane]

You want Formi in there for sure for fast slow
Formi/Cent for the combo
Then probably Sara

[shy hazel]

[elder crane]

Sara is there to boost torpmemes

[vague token]

does formidable bring as much damage as dork when you can just rng a slow

compared to 12% full team damage

[elder crane]

Dork is very low dmg

you need more slow than that

two 40% slows is not enough

[vague token]

i dont remember the boss moving that fast

[elder crane]

I'm running Dork/Ark/Enty(818) and missing any of the 3 instantly plummets my CV damage

like 70k to 50k plummets, tested across about 5 matches each, it's consistent minus procRNG

[vague token]

[elder crane]

Formi, since she's a stop, can replace all slows for rest team, but she needs another to land her own ryuus reliably

so Formi/Cent then, probably

Then Sara is fine

[vague token]

[elder crane]

otherwise her lack of ability to 818 is an issue

I was trying out Ark/Enty/Hiryuu (my only other 120 CV)

and found out losing just 1 40% slow was such a huge deal

[vague token]

i guess it's cause i dont use ryuusei on anyone xD

[elder crane]

honestly doesn't seem like boss moves that fast, probs just enough to evade 500lb bombs

[vague token]

i dont have any proper ryuusei cvs at 120

so i dont need max cc

[smoky elk]

is it bad that rank down by average of 300 every 6 hrs?

[sharp wing]

That's actually great if u sandbag. The more, the better

[smoky elk]

yeah i usually chill around 1500-2000

[sharp wing]

Well, that's a bit too low, probably skipped some tix

[vague token]

huh, the difference between aya/jintsuu/kagerou and aya/jintsuu/carabiniere is actually really small

[coral wren]

Why would they make bbs do this little damage

[vague token]

kinda surprised

but this doesnt account for preload so i guess i gotta do that too

[sharp wing]

kagerou has chaintorps tho

[vague token]

i can give kagerou a (2 * .3 + .7) modifier to her personal damage i guess

or something like that

i guess since im doing expected value for crit i can do it for everything except aya's buff

ill just assume it full for that

this could actually push ibuki/kagerou/cabiniere xD

/adjusting everything

[vague token]

ok, im kinda surprised how badly ibuki does but i guess it makes sense since she cant stack jintsuu with her own buff

aya/jintsuu/kagerou is definitely the best assuming that you have demon up for escort fleet buff

jintsuu/kagerou/carabiniere is actually surprisingly high

just barely beating out ibuki/kagerou/x

xD

everything else isnt worth mentioning

the longer the fight goes the better aya/jintsuu/kagerou gets

cause stacking escort on top of the crit on top of aya's torp buffs from the two is a lot of multipliers

now on the other hand, ibuki might be more reliable since you dont have to hope demon lines up with escort

since demon is fickle

also doesnt account for barrages/gun damage of course

ibuki may take total damage lead using her gun/barrage

maybe i just expected more from ibuki xD

i guess she's tanky for her damage output

[sharp wing]

U only calculated torps tho

buki's gun not for decoration

[vague token]

yeah

[sharp wing]

and she is good tank

[vague token]

ibuki could get pushed up a lot more since carabiniere buff is all damage

ibuki's damage mechanic also has higher chance of activation than ayanami's demon technically

so aya is like the "when everything perfectly aligns" while ibuki is more normalized

basically just use whoever you got leveled

xD

that's the best take away ;))))

actually im curious what carabiniere's barrage is since that could get boosted too, ibuki/kagerou/carabiniere might have best chance

[sharp wing]

I go full meme on Normal

[vague token]

when do we get purple/gold russia gun

for ultimate meme

[smoky elk]

Smolensk guns?

[sharp wing]

We need t3 of this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/130_mm/50_B13_Pattern_1936

well, all diff clear gives u 3.3k. In 13 days u can get 42,9k...

If we get 5 tix daily and u do at least 100 from each, u can get 49.4k

[still minnow]

cara's barrage seems decent

not remarkable in any way, but it definitely contributes to her damage

unlike certain other DD barrages

[safe meteor]

so did anyone got all 100 bars down from the EX hard crosswave?

[hot creek]

most I can do is 54, around 260k

I think bluerendar got close earlier, like 460k damage

the boss has 500k total HP from what ive heard

[safe meteor]

can you see how much dmg subs did?

it only showed my 6 ships, but couldnt see sub dmg

i did 200k + whatever the submarine dmg did

[hot creek]

yeah i saw some sub dmg screenshots earlier

[midnight heron]

lul someone on cn auto cleared ex

[coral wren]

top 1 again

Wht happened to the hiryuu retro meme

[vague token]

no one has the money to retro maybe after the event

[shy hazel]

[blazing scroll]

At the bottom is an arrow to show sub dmg

[shy hazel]

oya kiro

i see some hiryuu

activate skill

lesser blue

wtf is that

[safe meteor]

i spend all my gold and got Yukikaze

[silver root]

they are hanafuda card names

[safe meteor]

so no money for Hiryuu

[vague token]

you sure it isnt rudder

rudder does a little skill shine

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

but it doesnt come with a portrait/voice activation

[shy hazel]

rudder doesnt have a skill name

does it

[vague token]

it has a skill name in the description

but nothing pops up when it activates

[shy hazel]

lesser blue?

[vague token]

it should be blue

[shy hazel]

im wondering where that lesser blue came from

[vague token]

cause i have a rudder on baltimore/sirius and they shine blue when it activates

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

like a blue skill

when i have no blue skills for vanguard

xD

[silver root]

yeah its a literal hanafuda card name called "lesser blue"

[vague token]

oh

that lol

[shy hazel]

guess its just hanafuda

dumb skill

[vague token]

heart of the cards yo

[shy hazel]

do you think i even give a crap

about what hanafuda is

[silver root]

it corresponds to number of torp planes lol

[vague token]

free damage?

that's what it is

;)

[silver root]

chinese wiki has the ratios but i cant translate everything

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

im excited for that armor item

can put a carrier in mid vs nagato safely

xD

[coral wren]

What armor

O ye hiryuu's random skill is cancer

she makes fights a living hell

They get cucced by my fleet so its no prob. Just 3 resets

[hot creek]

wait, so how do you view sub damage at the end of the battle?

can't find the button

[stark raft]

they show you it in end battle results

[finite valve]

@hot creek

[hot creek]

lmao

its so tiny

[stark raft]

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/ElV98/812ca0ffb6.png lvl 70 subs

I will just have to settle with my 200k - 250k damage range

no 120 aya no 120 enty underleveled subs

[finite valve]

i don't even do ex

waste of oil

[vague token]

[midnight heron]

but u wont get the better rewards without doing it

[finite valve]

?

you can farm hard lol

[midnight heron]

its not enuf

[finite valve]

also ex don't got no reward

only point

wdym not enough?

[midnight heron]

u get rewards for reaching certain pt threshold

[finite valve]

you can farm HARD for point

[midnight heron]

1 of them being 38k

[finite valve]

go farm HARD MODE

[midnight heron]

yea but u wont get dat amount just by doing daily

[finite valve]

want a bet?

[midnight heron]

u only get 15 per day tho

[finite valve]

???

[midnight heron]

15 runs per day bruh

excluding tickets

[finite valve]

are you crazy?

[stark raft]

you get more even after 15

[finite valve]

you can get point even w/o the bonus

[stark raft]

[midnight heron]

wat

[finite valve]

how do you think ppl already got 20k+ point?

hacking?

[midnight heron]

do u still get drops tho

[finite valve]

LMFAO

yes

you get everything

[midnight heron]

then wats the point of the 15 runs

[finite valve]

the bonus is just more reward

more reward

[midnight heron]

as in?

[finite valve]

plate gold etc...

[stark raft]

better loot etc

[midnight heron]

lmao dats stupid

[finite valve]

if i remember correctly you can get t3 plate easily compare to w/o bonus

[midnight heron]

see dis is y i hate game descriptions

[finite valve]

[hot creek]

wait how do u keep farming hard tho, it asks for ticket?

[stark raft]

the ticket is for EX but u can use it for hard

[finite valve]

the 15 tries is only for bonus

[stark raft]

and you get the +reward thing

[finite valve]

you can still get point w/o the bonus

LMFAO

[midnight heron]

if im not the only 1 confused i think its a problem with game description

[finite valve]

all these guys who think you can't farm 16+ times

gg

[stark raft]

well they did fuck up descriptions

[hot creek]

I dun wanna use my tickets

[finite valve]

and you can't just test it for 1 run?

[midnight heron]

still thx for clearing dat shit up

[finite valve]

sound to me like feather of a bird lel

[midnight heron]

im lazy dont wanna do more for no reward

[finite valve]

just cus they fuck up the description != you going to raise your hand and call it quit

not to mention everyone knows transhlation

[hot creek]

is there way to continue without use ticket?

[midnight heron]

just press exchange lul

[stark raft]

just do your EX i guess

[finite valve]

on what?

ex mode?

[midnight heron]

they fked up the popup real gud