pvp

[ionic magnet]

when shes super gay for qe

[vague token]

is she though?

[sharp wing]

Warspite enters alter mode

[ionic magnet]

[sharp wing]

she is gae for shikican

[coral wren]

she is too weird for a sistership, you know. Literally bootlicking hag despite being the same class ship

[sharp wing]

QE is unworthy of her

[coral wren]

qe is unworthy of anything and anyone

[sharp wing]

QE is worthy of PoW

[coral wren]

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

give pow kgv's gun skill

also give dork the gun skill

[sharp wing]

pow needs rework to her skill

make her hms buff

[vague token]

na, we need more alliance based skills

[sharp wing]

nah

[vague token]

nah

[sharp wing]

I just noticed PoW has PR tier luck

unwanted child of whoever gave birth to KGV

[vague token]

i mean she got destroyed by land based planes with no ability to fight back

xD

so

rip

[coral wren]

she is not the only one

[vague token]

well her and her whole task force

i feel like she she could a buff that goes up over time instead

[sharp wing]

bps

alba if u haven't farmed 1

cats are skipable

all i got are some meme anyway

it's like lootboxes lmao

95% are skill fodder

[vague token]

i bought gold cats only

xD

[sharp wing]

i cleared shop

but cats are like last

I bought kms boxes before cats lmao

[elder crane]

How much are the gold cat boxes again
i got those almost immediately

[sharp wing]

500 i think

it's just 2 anyway

i got 2 steels w/ mem skills

[elder crane]

if it's 500 points, technically it's more equivalent resource than PR prints which are 500 too (as in, the cost to get them in coin, though ofc they're not convertable)

I got my first decent SR cat from those boxes

[sharp wing]

only BPs are not RNG shit

[elder crane]

it's more that the return on res investment for cats is shit
shop points is only less shit than coin

but they're endless investment unlike PR prints

[sharp wing]

no

[elder crane]

York C3

[sharp wing]

c2 and c3

a2-c2

[elder crane]

Ajax C2

[sharp wing]

a3-c3

[elder crane]

or the equivalent A/B map ofc

[sharp wing]

b2-d2

[elder crane]

it's Ajax A/C2, York A/C3, Lusty B/D2, WS B/D3

and they need to fight boss

and ofc not sink

and ofc be MLB

[sharp wing]

I retroed york, did those 10 runs, and put her on shelf

[elder crane]

WS was maxed 120 for me
lusty was at 110 then
other two were at 100

Got them to 100 before XP banking was a thing (so back then I just brought rando ships to lv 100 aff)

[cerulean estuary]

Hazerou Gokou!!! incoming after maintenance

[elder crane]

But what if I want to use her base skin

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

i have 5 t3 red books

=/

[sharp wing]

i have 0

[elder crane]

53 ships for me at lv100 or above

wait nvm

[sharp wing]

probably 100 for me cause gold rose

[elder crane]

erm 17X7-2

what's that again

117 ships

I forgot to uncheck favs

[cerulean estuary]

what if devs implement divorce system = take back her oath ring

thats gonna be sad

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

[elder crane]

Aww my free SR cat today (from skin mission) is just a 60-th or so percentile Oscar 🚮

[sharp wing]

I got rainbow skill on exp skill cat today...

[elder crane]

Funnily enough that's still better than 90th percentile Pound
mostly cause Pound's starting pool is traaaash and Oscar's's quite good

[vague token]

oh no, morale is running out on clear team

=/

[cerulean estuary]

jiromaru skill is great for CV' CVL

[sharp wing]

oath

[cerulean estuary]

making kamikaze planes

[sharp wing]

It's just that bishu skill is trash

basically can not bother to go above lvl2

[elder crane]

Yeah lol solo CV main fleet
when cat boosts matter you don't do that

[cerulean estuary]

well its not trash u can put her in command cat position and just benefit her additional stats

[elder crane]

Useful for Zeppy I suppose

[sharp wing]

But IT IS trash

[cerulean estuary]

as i mention jiromaru skill is best for support cat

[elder crane]

....It's not any better really than the other preemptives
technically worse cause fleet power tends to be higher on BBs and can be inflated on DDs

[sharp wing]

justice skill is trash tho

outside preemptive

[elder crane]

Justice final skill is why you use her

imo best cat skill period in terms of actual impactfulness

[sharp wing]

swap fleets

don't see much use for that

[vague token]

boss fleet gets ambushed on the way to boss

just swap

saves you a fight

[elder crane]

yes, bails boss fleet out of an ambush
which can cuck you in hardest maps, and saves a good amount of oil/time elsewhere

[vague token]

it has a practical use instead of just more stats

[elder crane]

instead of "1% more stats! woooo"

next is the sub ranges ofc

I'd list those first if we didn't have 552 and sub movement now

[vague token]

battery

wiki says 2 range

not sure how that works though

[elder crane]

means you don't need battery and can mount the better torpstick

it's +2 lvs on a sub hunting range

just like Bis oath for 556 works (that one's +1 ofc)

[sharp wing]

Isn't that thing +1

[vague token]

wiki says 1->2

[elder crane]

at +10 it's +2

[sharp wing]

well, not gonna +10 it w/ it's stats

[vague token]

so wait, how do additional levels to hunting range work again

[elder crane]

each sub has a defined range from 1-5 levels

[sharp wing]

u get better hunting range

[vague token]

oh i see

[elder crane]

1 is base, +1 from LB2, rest need to come elsewhere

the lead sub's range is used for a sub fleet

[vague token]

checked a sub page and see the level boosts

that's so weird

[elder crane]

you can see it ingame now too

[vague token]

xD

i was in boss

[elder crane]

jfyi since it used to be not ingame before UI overhaul, in case you didn't realize

[vague token]

i just thought sub attack range was magic and increased with limit break

xD

still gotta hope map layout puts them somewhere useful anyways ;)

[elder crane]

that's why you have a fleet of subs you pull whichever has best range shape from for the map
ofc now you can just reposition, or use 552 to fix

[shy hazel]

i realized late

ibuki stat data

has only torp at b

[vague token]

that sounds like a lot of work when i could just use double the gato and surcouf

[shy hazel]

while gun is s

what a meme

[elder crane]

Yep Ibuki torp stat is very low

for what she does

[vague token]

isnt that cause ibuki has only 270 torp?

oh 289

[shy hazel]

dank skill on the wrong ship

[elder crane]

preload+2 and highest(?) torp eff in game though

[sharp wing]

that's why dildos give her such huge boost

[elder crane]

it's ~20% each

to her torp damage

[vague token]

270 is tied for most of the top fp CAs

[sharp wing]

she can still mvp without dildos

[vague token]

minus retros

[sharp wing]

ez

[vague token]

and sharks

highest Not Azuma fp is 301

deutschland

[elder crane]

yeah, Ibuki gun is actually quite good

she's kinda similar to Sendais

main thing is torps but guns are fairly decent too

[vague token]

she's only 6 fp behind sanrui

so yeah

baltimore and the takao sisters are also 270 fp

[elder crane]

Balti though gets extra FP from secondaries slot

[vague token]

yeah

actually do the takao sisters show S tier fp on their page?

xD

for consistency ;)

[sharp wing]

When yr ryuu dies before enemy enty

[vague token]

final counter into evasion? xD

[shy hazel]

they should make a ship or aux

[sharp wing]

idk, i look away, come back only 1 ship alive

[shy hazel]

that reduces

kamikaze dmg

[sharp wing]

aa reduces it

[elder crane]

it's called "AA"
and Nocal

[sharp wing]

so basically gold radar

[shy hazel]

stat got 👀

[elder crane]

and Nocal
or Sandyret/etc.

[shy hazel]

direct not yet

[elder crane]

Well Nocal sorta

she does bombs/torps too ofc

[sharp wing]

vf-17

[elder crane]

he said "direct" though

[shy hazel]

wish they make nocal kai

[elder crane]

also where my bunnysuit nocal at

c'mon Yostar it's been 2 years

[sharp wing]

It's not yostar

It's shiyos lazy ass

Choukai no skins

look at type 95 tho

[elder crane]

Fire the guy
But I'm sure they could've convinced the guy to let another artist do it

[sharp wing]

Can't fire ppl on contract per work

[elder crane]

FW had to wait out contract for the Cols, yeah
but based on that his contract for NoCal should've been up, or at least re-signed, where they could've asked him to release NoCal/etc.

I mean he clearly doesn't really care for the chara

[shy hazel]

roons skin wasnt done by terras

[sharp wing]

He has all the waifus...

[shy hazel]

look at the difference

helena too

they can churn out

[sharp wing]

londan kai too

[shy hazel]

skins now

[sharp wing]

there a lot

[elder crane]

oh no that's cause the contract for those artists expired/ the artists released them

[vague token]

personally not a fan of london kai's direction

i liked the agent style

[sharp wing]

well

[shy hazel]

london kai 🚮 🚮 🚮

[sharp wing]

I like her

[elder crane]

basically AL artists get timed exclusivity contract for their charas

which is why FW was delayed so much

[shy hazel]

its would have been better

if they made the kai

more bondish

[sharp wing]

[shy hazel]

not maid overused crap

[sharp wing]

wtf

[shy hazel]

🚮

she lost the only uniqueness she had left

[vague token]

well

she gained 160 dd gun so

i forgive

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

sandy still better dd gun dps i think

[sharp wing]

ofc

[vague token]

mgm+1 is one hell of a drug with dd guns

xD

on anything with actual stats

/cries in ijn destroyers

[shy hazel]

this game

dd guns are better than cruiser ones

[vague token]

inb4 juneau retro is best dps

jk

[sharp wing]

dd dps > cl dps

on any armor

127 beats pr2 gun in dps

[shy hazel]

only exception is like what

nepgun

[sharp wing]

no

it doesn't win dps

even pr2 gun loses

[shy hazel]

[sharp wing]

pr2 > nepgun

cause HE

[vague token]

nepgun if it hits 2 obviously wins

since it's ap

but on single it's obviously worse

base stats are probably what

sub 30 dps on light?

[shy hazel]

where is pr sap gun

the future

[vague token]

meanwhile mle is like

[shy hazel]

i want purple bullets

[vague token]

what, almost 50 dps on light?

[shy hazel]

the only real reaaon

i tried to farm

but gave up

[vague token]

wait are they purple?

that's neat

[shy hazel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/529250562252734464/625547086397702154/unnamed.gif

[vague token]

oh that's cool

[sharp wing]

her barrage is SAP too btw

[shy hazel]

ya lol

[vague token]

also nepgun has lower medium dps than mle lol

it barely beats the rest

[sharp wing]

even 127

[vague token]

na it has 21.67 base

127 shows 20.95

so since most cls have better fp it will go to nepgun

[shy hazel]

thats why everyone farms french event

[vague token]

outside of dd cls

[shy hazel]

no regrets

[vague token]

meanwhile in heavy ca gun medium dps xD

SAP gun bois

then roon obviously

[sharp wing]

sap gun on Zara

+12%

[vague token]

even before that

it's still better

[sharp wing]

obviously

[shy hazel]

updates

[vague token]

seattle gun has that ammo boosting it

[sharp wing]

It doesn't when properly setup tho

[vague token]

you can do it

meanwhile i dont think imma get these last 3 bps

=(

[sharp wing]

4 here

[vague token]

oh i mean sap gun

not the store

xD

[sharp wing]

gold bps farm is cancer

[vague token]

at least french event gave us a mercy shop gun

but this one didnt for w/e reason

[sharp wing]

this even shop and drops are so bad

[vague token]

like, SAP gun is mostly bad but at least it has tiny niche uses

but that 381mm

is just awful

=/

is there enough medium to warrant using it over roon?

on Non-Zara

no i mean

is the dps boost against medium

worth the drop

on light/heavy

xD

like zara can use it fine

she just adds 12% to it

fixes up the light/heavy mod

mostly

[smoky elk]

normal Ap against medium 110%, SAp's = 122-125%

[sharp wing]

zara makes her Gun better than Roongun at any armor

[vague token]

actually does sap pierce xD

i mean ap pierces once

so

they havent added a pierce skill yet

that would be cool

[shy hazel]

pierce kiro

in the butr

[vague token]

like one that adds more pierce count

[shy hazel]

[still minnow]

how's the SAP gun in pvp

[sharp wing]

ap pierces 2?

[vague token]

does it? i thought it only pierced once

[shy hazel]

sap gun isnt that good in pvp

[vague token]

they havent done anything with pierce count

[sharp wing]

the wording is bad

[vague token]

sap gun could be good if your CA ever survived big seven and got to shoot hiryuu/amagi

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

but usually when you win vg you run right into big seven spawning

and instantly die

[shy hazel]

only ykkz can survive that

zulul

[vague token]

it should do 75%+ to someone when you get hit by it spawning

ykk can just nope out cause of her skill xD

BUT if they dont big seven you then yeah sap would be ok

but i think roon would be better since you'll have to shoot nagato too

unless you're roon/baltimore who ignore ammo xD

[sharp wing]

sap will be bad for main reason why Mle is bad

nox also installs bloatware

[vague token]

i swapped to memu cause nox was causing performance blergh

[sharp wing]

with latest updates

nox should be flagged as malware

[vague token]

the only advantage Roon with sap has is fire chance

since you have more projectiles/second

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

but it's not really worth bothering

since roon barrage is better investment

[sharp wing]

The sap gun in pvp with fast movement wouldn't be able to shoot full salvos

out of firing angle window

1.2 sec

[vague token]

that's why im using sanrui on baltimore atm

lower vt

xD

[sharp wing]

And Mle misses a lot

well, balti changes it to AP at least

so might be better

[vague token]

she started doing more damage when i swapped her to beaver/rudder with double french guns

cause she lived longer

xD

dual wielding baguettes

mle as secondary still hurts surprisingly from 270 base fp lol

[sharp wing]

cause w/ Ap she can hit something

not water

[vague token]

her barrage is still bad though >_>

it's just the 5 projectile wedge like new orleans but ap

=(

[sharp wing]

just remove nox

I also hate how nox takes full monopoly in fullscreen mode

can't alttab or anything

[vague token]

all your cpu/ram belong to nox

[sharp wing]

that's so fuccing dumb

I always have 2 nox instances fullscreen background

but that shit is cancerous

[shy hazel]

im old school

only emu i have is bs

which was like

from 6 years ago

i prefer playing with phone anyways

tbh

[sharp wing]

well, new bs is much diff

[shy hazel]

i believe i have bs 2

bs is like

4 or 5 now

[sharp wing]

4

new emus have android 7

[shy hazel]

if it works i dont update it

[sharp wing]

idk if that version also had adds

[shy hazel]

the thing about

bs2

it prompts u to install crap

that u can cancel asap

[sharp wing]

yeah

[shy hazel]

[sharp wing]

those adds were removed in 4th

[shy hazel]

or delete after

[sharp wing]

also some games require new graph engine options

and well new android

[shy hazel]

all new games goes to phone anyways

only reason i tried bs2 is well

i dont even remember

[sharp wing]

I prefer big screen over phone

[shy hazel]

i was living in japan that time

i think it was before

dmm and other services

became a thing

AndApp

👀

one of the built in android for pc

[sharp wing]

[shy hazel]

japan games have p good support for pc

tbh

dunno about fgo tho

[sharp wing]

fgo works fine lately

[shy hazel]

most cygames support AndApp and dmm

doesnt even need external emulator

al needs to git gud

more like

there needs to be a global version of dmm app

so people rely less on emulators

[sharp wing]

U mean ... Nutaku

[shy hazel]

[sharp wing]

i don't want to play those grindfests anyway

then mousebots dominate ladders

[buoyant parrot]

hey edge lords what's with the new crosswave thing? does anyone have an idea how that thing works?

[sharp wing]

probably regular public raid

idk if that thing they showed "dungeon" map has relation to this

[buoyant parrot]

ahhh like a world boss thing

[sharp wing]

ye

[buoyant parrot]

well for sure Famine and the likes will dominate that. Those who don't sleep and have 1 Bajillion of Oils to spend with

[sharp wing]

that thing gonna have some kind of limitations i bet

daily entries etc

[buoyant parrot]

good then

[sharp wing]

well, idk for sure

[ionic magnet]

ALEC has the details

4 difficulties (easy, normal, hard, EX)

only EX needs a special ticket

[vague token]

crosswave?

[ionic magnet]

so you can farm til your oil runs out p much

yea

[vague token]

[ionic magnet]

not sure what are the drops on event maps tho

[sharp wing]

well, regular public raid

[finite valve]

pve raid or just raid boss tho

[ionic magnet]

yea but it gives exp/clear rewards

could be really good for levelling idk

time limit 60 seconds

[lament lichen]

[sharp wing]

when u want a week off but u get another useless grind

[ionic magnet]

[sharp wing]

I give up on this droprates w/ zara gun

[vague token]

ill never give up

i gotta believe

[still minnow]

is a useless grind not equivalent to a week off? ;D

[split marten]

@vague token how close are you now?

[vague token]

same as before

havent gotten any bps in last 24 hours basically lol

12/15

[split marten]

Well that sucks

Oh well I’m sure the event will rerun soon TM

We still need Pola and Veneto after all, and Guissano

[vague token]

laughs in iris rerun

[split marten]

[still minnow]

have we got an iris libre rerun yet

[vague token]

no

lots of french boats that exist in the story but not in game

xD

[still minnow]

oh

I started iat the end of august

so as far as I'm concerned I need a rerun of every event lol

[vague token]

that's fair

[split marten]

Same tbh

Also wtf I equipped Portland with a double rudder for memes

Why the hell does she get unbelievably tanky with that item

[vague token]

rudder is a unique though?

[zenith tundra]

use ibuki and just farm sirens. i got 5 bps in 3hrs yesterday

[stark raft]

only 1 rudder per ship

[split marten]

Sorry just one rudder

[stark raft]

[split marten]

I called it double rudder by accident

I do rudder + beaver badge on Portland

But yeah wtf why does she get so tanky with that setup

[vague token]

i mean most CAs get tanky with double evade

unless their hp is tiny

[split marten]

(London)

How would Eugen do with rudder badge

[zenith tundra]

u can have 5 washing machines on her and she still is just as usless

[vague token]

prinz doesnt have a durability problem

as much as she has a contribution problem

[split marten]

Well yeah

[vague token]

unless the goal is shield spam

[split marten]

She does negative damage

But that’s always been known

[vague token]

in which case zara now is the superior prinz

since she has an auto shield

and has actual damage

[split marten]

Poor Prinz

Forever only MLB’d by noobs and waifu collectors

[zenith tundra]

no disapointment here since she is ugly and useless. nothing lost

[split marten]

omegalul

She’s probably going to be the next UR retrofit tho

[zenith tundra]

it won't really change what she is. just like sandy is an aa boat and ws a pvp only ship

[vague token]

well, sandy changed to a dps cl with aa

instead of just aa only

if they give prinz a way to do damage she'll go up a lot in usability

especially with some kind of unique barrage

[split marten]

Unique barrage, MGM +1, more evasion...

That would actually make her pretty good

[vague token]

alternatively, a unique tank skill

due to the RN mixing up her and biscuit

she could absorb damage from other ships or something

[split marten]

Yeah true

[still minnow]

oh is that how they decide who gets that skill?

based on historical targetting mixups

[split marten]

I still think if they did retro her she would get at least MGM +1 and special barrage

But changing her shield functionality would be nice too, or adding something defensive and supportive

[still minnow]

tbh theres no point in making the ultimate defensive ship even more defensive

similarly to sandy, if all her retro did was make her AA obscene that wouldn't solve her viability problem

[split marten]

And it’s weird... they choose their retros partly based on that but with URs they targeted underwhelming SR ships that could use some buffs

Warspite, Sandy, Eugen are among the worst URs in the game pre retro

But at the same time when it comes to history well...

They didn’t give QE, Helena, among others retrofits yet

[still minnow]

I don't think they do retros based on who got retros in history

[split marten]

Although those ships got major retrofits irl

[vague token]

im pretty sure the retros are just balance patches with a resource cost

not that they always succeed

they have nothing to do with irl refits

[split marten]

At least for URs they seem to target the SRs that are among the worst

[still minnow]

fuso class have shitty retros, they need a retro for their retro

lmfao

[split marten]

After Eugen, it might be Lusty not sure

[still minnow]

yeha eugen and lusty are at the top of my list re: UR retros

[split marten]

Lusty is also rather underwhelming for an SR isn’t she?

[still minnow]

I'd kinda prefer they add 5 retros to blue and purple ships than 1 retro to an UR ship tho

[split marten]

Waiting on Helena and QE retro

[still minnow]

yeah lusty is a bit of a onetrick air supremacy pony

[vague token]

lusty is still far better than someone like PoW

in that she does her job quite well

sustain of vanguard and anti air are useful

[zenith tundra]

sandy is still inferior to any cl gunboat out there

[split marten]

Why is PoW shit but KGV amazing

Sad life

Not all KGVs were made equal

Some KGVs are more equal than others

[vague token]

because PoW is missing skills lol

if you look at PoW's buff, it takes the same number of eagle ships to match KGV's buff

eg 4 faction ships to hit 20%

but she doesnt get the damage amp, nor the gun skill

[zenith tundra]

she still would be useless since uss ships isn't the problem but the fact that she cannot do anything with those stats

[vague token]

i mean if she had the same quad gun skill, she'd definitely be usable

her self buff is the same rate of ships to buff ratio

KGV takes 4 total RN ships for 20%

PoW takes 4 total Eagle ships for 20%

but she loses out on free amp on crimsom axis, and the gun

[zenith tundra]

just changing that wouldn't make her more usable

[vague token]

it would help a lot though

then she'd only be missing the amp vs axis

[zenith tundra]

how about an actual barrage

[vague token]

kgv's gun skill is an actual barrage?

isnt it the same skill?

[zenith tundra]

or anything that does dmg and is not pure rng

[vague token]

yeah the gun skill is the barrage skill

i mean the whole skill not just the gun buffs

[zenith tundra]

quad skill and barrage are 2 different things they only stack them so ships don't have 5-6 skills

[vague token]

i mean that's just semantics xD

but yeah, port the ENTIRE skill

if it helps for understanding

gun buff and barrage

[zenith tundra]

how about they just port amagi kit to all bb by default

[vague token]

because she doesnt match the class?

at least it makes sense for PoW to have effective armament

[zenith tundra]

amagi is a bb with medium armor

[vague token]

(and dork)

[zenith tundra]

like centaur is a cv with cvl reload

[vague token]

im not sure how that factors in, Effective Armament is entirely usable by PoW (and Dork) given that KGV didnt even make any notable shots with the gun

in fact i think dork did far more successful work with her quad 356

oh wait she actually blew up one of biscuit's turrets

kgv gets 1 success

[zenith tundra]

dunno if restricting ships to 1 gun is in any way good

[vague token]

but you dont have to?

[zenith tundra]

doy with quad would be kind of trash tbh

[vague token]

kgv is usable in pve without her gun

like 406 is fine there

[zenith tundra]

why would u use kgv without her gun over any other bb?

what does she do special?

[vague token]

dunno, most of the bbs kinda blur together in pve

that arent bama for clearing

so it doesnt really matter

[stark raft]

Shoot earlier, with buffed stats

[vague token]

she's perfectly fine with or without her gun

[stark raft]

letting other BB's clear the 2nd wave faster

[vague token]

the important part is the option

since she still gets a barrage either way

[zenith tundra]

a slow barrage and nothing to back it without hms

consider that any gun barrage already shoots 3 times before kgv 2 times barrage

[vague token]

hey, i dont ask why they use her

im just saying she's fine with 406

[stark raft]

eh I still prefer quad for PVE

[zenith tundra]

she is fine but inferior without any real value added without hms and her gun

[stark raft]

then use hms and her gun...?

[vague token]

yeah, but so are most bbs that arent bama for clearing or dirt cheap common/blue

so does it even matter?

just let them use her xD

[still minnow]

what makes dork so good

[stark raft]

"what is a ship without her buff and gun"

[vague token]

the same as the rest of the ships without a buff nor a gun skill

so basically 80% of the cast

dork has huge frontloaded damage and team support

she can slow pve enemies too

also she's voiced by neptune/purple heart

[split marten]

Alabama is a balanced mob ship

And ofc by balanced I mean she’s broken af

[zenith tundra]

amagi is totally fine on mobs even in w13. her def skills are pretty useful not to mention the barrage

[vague token]

i mean do we even need to consider amagi xD

she has the godtier kit lol

[vague token]

big oof still 12/15

xD

what are you aiming for again? xD

ah

[ripe latch]

Yuki permanent, now every degen can

[midnight heron]

but wats the rate

[hot creek]

hey does anyone remember than one guy who got triggered everytime we mention ykkz cause he never got one?

I guess he can redeem himself now

[vague token]

i got 1 owo

2 more bps

53 minutes

guess i die

[midnight heron]

idk y but bp dont seem to drop when reaching end of event

didnt rly farm much either

[vague token]

=(

[blazing scroll]

If you're lucky you can get 2 bps on a boss node

[ionic magnet]

keyword is IF

26 mins more gl gl

[blazing scroll]

It's always a gamble

[trim horizon]

woke up, miss clicked the refresh button probably +1 gone

[midnight heron]

join rusher squad

[trim horizon]

yeah

[ripe latch]

[wicked rivet]

guess im casual now

[midnight heron]

farmed 1hr straight and got no bp ok then

[elder crane]

With 1 oil left and 5 mins left I got my final bp for my 2nd

[silver root]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QEB9kiP8EAsl4bz7wuuYyNukmADelbM5mG7CQ2iipc4/edit#gid=0 datamine yall

[midnight heron]

maint in 1min anyway

[silver root]

new equip

[elder crane]

Lol I went 2 days straight without a single bp drop

[midnight heron]

[elder crane]

Today went 5H for 1

Of nonstop manual

[trim horizon]

LMao

new equip for Azooma ?

[silver root]

new aux change armor to heavy

[midnight heron]

lul dat shigure skill

[trim horizon]

Yamato armor

[elder crane]

And I officially now have 1 oil, and 0 in mail

[silver root]

is that better or worse than rudder

[vague token]

rip didnt get it

[trim horizon]

Heavy armor Azooma

Pepega

[shy hazel]

[midnight heron]

tf tho change armour type

definitely not broken

[elder crane]

The armor type thing is actually quite interesting
I'll have to eval it
Also Hiryuu with Heavy

[finite valve]

imagine YKK got heavy armor

cockroach

[midnight heron]

pretty much meta becoming more meta

[elder crane]

Shigure now discount yukikaze

Main fleet only

Also not BMs I think

[midnight heron]

bm is light armour isnt it

[trim horizon]

it's only for BB/BC/CB/CV

[elder crane]

Wait wtf azuma

[silver root]

wait a sec is shigure literally just a slightly worse ykkz

[elder crane]

Azuma can mount it

[sharp wing]

heavy armor vg is not actually that great, gotta eat those torps hard and big bombs, only reduces Nagato barrage damage

[shy hazel]

then we get aux that increase dd gun

[hot creek]

Of course she can. Azuma really needed the buff after all.

[elder crane]

Reduces all gunfire and Nagato/amagi/FDG barrage
Takes more Aviation/torps

[finite valve]

shigure heal is only when YKK is not in fleet or what?

[shy hazel]

only when ykz out

[elder crane]

Only when not I think

[trim horizon]

new armor gives also 350/650 hp

[elder crane]

Discount ykkz

[shy hazel]

basically ye

discount ykkz

[elder crane]

Literally ykkz without her survivability skill

[shy hazel]

ill call that new aux for dd

z23doper

👀

[elder crane]

It's only for anshans

The skill only activates for anshans

[shy hazel]

o

[midnight heron]

yea

[shy hazel]

🚮

[elder crane]

550 HP though

[zenith tundra]

that heavy armor on azuma will most likely be unusable in pvp

[elder crane]

Yeah too many torps/bombs I think

[shy hazel]

i love,china but china can suck it

[elder crane]

And you have to give up speed/acc

[zenith tundra]

also low speed

[elder crane]

Will be great for PvE though

Azuma now best tank?

[sharp wing]

Only costs too much for Portland work

[shy hazel]

high evasion frontline with heavy armor

[finite valve]

if best tank just use zara or roon

[shy hazel]

why not

[finite valve]

sanrui also work

azuma is too oil heavy

[silver root]

CN meta recommends the 457 gun now which is AP+

[sharp wing]

azuma costs more than SR BB

[silver root]

maybe the armor will help with that?

[zenith tundra]

azuma imo can do stuff ca struggle with like killing bb targets easily

[elder crane]

AP+ on med vs heavy is about same as other BB guns

[shy hazel]

457??

pr gun or italygun

[elder crane]

It won't change much

[sharp wing]

also azuma gun not that great in pve cause too slow

[elder crane]

PR2

[shy hazel]

coa i only know ghetto terms

[silver root]

georgia gun PR2

[shy hazel]

[zenith tundra]

azuma gun is slow burst weapon. it looks worse on paper tbh. her barrage shoots another 2 310 shoots every 2 cd

[shy hazel]

i mean if u ask me

tbh

that heavy armor

[elder crane]

The only interesting application for PvP is the Heavy conversion one on Med

[shy hazel]

can be used for cvs

[elder crane]

Rest usage are trash

[shy hazel]

heavy armor hiryuu

[zenith tundra]

amagi heavy armor

[sharp wing]

full heavy armor

[elder crane]

SG radar is ~10% dred already

So on Heavy it's defensively a smidge better than SG

[shy hazel]

at least now

[sharp wing]

How do we get that gear anyway?

[elder crane]

And well short of Rudder

[fierce field]

new datamine

[shy hazel]

they putting auxes that truly matters

good

[trim horizon]

it's reward

[shy hazel]

where is my rainbow firehose

[sharp wing]

so 1 item each only

[elder crane]

Lolwut
Only the heavy conversion matters

[shy hazel]

[zenith tundra]

i would set amagi heavy armor with washing machine just to mess with ws kai teams

[elder crane]

Rudder is just better for Heavy armor mains

By a lot too

[shy hazel]

where is the aux that puts exocet to bbs

[fierce field]

shigure kai ykkz meta?

[shy hazel]

nop

[ionic magnet]

/armor

[strange moat]

https://i.imgur.com/fNpbP2T.jpg

[shy hazel]

shigure still crap

[sharp wing]

ykkz for all fleet

[elder crane]

Shigure just becomes torpboat with ykkz present
Otherwise she's discount ykkz

[zenith tundra]

shigure doesn't heal with yukikaze

[sharp wing]

she affects vg tho w/ def buff

[elder crane]

5% and not on self
And self is squishy
Yeaaaaah

[zenith tundra]

problem who do u switch for her?

[sharp wing]

almost 2k hp for DD is not really squishy

[trim horizon]

ykkz

[sharp wing]

But yeah

[zenith tundra]

yukikaze has 2.2k

[trim horizon]

her dmg decrease need to ykkz to be out of the fleet

[elder crane]

I'll have to do some eval sometime to see if Rudder or Armor plate is better on CVs/Amagi
I'm thinking plate only vs Amagi/Nagato barrages

[shy hazel]

go do testing fast

[zenith tundra]

wait for ws kai

[shy hazel]

so can,copy it

im calling it tho

hiryuu will be using it

[buoyant parrot]

update me on the test

[elder crane]

Rudder is iirc +25% eHP or so, which might be more than what plate offers

[stark raft]

Plated Centaur

[sharp wing]

plate adds good hp tho

[zenith tundra]

i wouldn't trash hiryuu dmg as to put washing machine/beaver heavy armor considering that almost all bb in pvp have bad aa

[shy hazel]

plated centaur so u have full plate hms cv fleet

[ionic magnet]

hmm torp memes really is the future

[elder crane]

Ehh defensive aux Hiryuu imo better for mirror

[ionic magnet]

[silver root]

hiryuu has homing beacon and avgas on CN

[midnight heron]

yea her invul also makes any sort of dmg mitigation moot during dat period

[silver root]

kind of hard to replace for armor

[elder crane]

Which is only matchup that matters

Yeah beacon is nonreplacable

Or avgas

But we don't have beacon so it's okay

[shy hazel]

[fierce field]

[sharp wing]

after beacon it's just Amagi item

[shy hazel]

lots of possibilities hey

[zenith tundra]

u'll be using on amagi just for ws kai in due time

[elder crane]

Idk I'd rather run Amagi more offensively if I don't expect her to tank
Which for offense she won't

[sharp wing]

I rather use rudder vs WS

[fierce field]

so I assume this is more pvp aux than pve
pve only like Azuma benefit from it
but EN

[sharp wing]

tho

[elder crane]

Rudder I'm pretty sure is better than plate vs WS

[zenith tundra]

the problem is offensive amagi does nothing on def

and u don't need offense

[elder crane]

Idk I'd rather get those final few % on offense than care about defense
Personal choice ofc

But I think rudder might be better than plate on Amagi vs WS

[sharp wing]

rudder obviously better, but u can rudder + plate

[zenith tundra]

i'm not thinking on giving up rudder but sg

[shy hazel]

i dont rly see the use of that plate in pve

does armor even matter in pve

[midnight heron]

in the end its still rng whether u evade or not so

[sharp wing]

better take rng chance at 0 damage than constant few% reduction

[ionic magnet]

flat 20% dmg redux still sounds better to me

than some 7% eva rate

[midnight heron]

if u look at it from a burn dmg perspective 0 dmg is better

if u look at it from ap shell perspective armor is prob better

[elder crane]

+25% or so eHP for rudder
Plate gives +10% HP and the armor mods is around 15-20%
Seems about similar

[shy hazel]

plate effect can be guaranteed

than rudder rng

👀

[elder crane]

Also it's 130->110 for BBAP which is not 20% dred
It's 15% or so effectively

[sharp wing]

I want to set some WS butts on fire when amagi evades them

[silver root]

rudder+plate on nagato BigBrainTime

[elder crane]

Plate on heavy is shit

[sharp wing]

lel

[shy hazel]

[elder crane]

Little better than SG

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

ngato is alrdy heavy

[sharp wing]

take sG anytime on heavy

[shy hazel]

heavy loli

[ripe latch]

[sharp wing]

if u want full def on naga, rather beaver+rudder

[elder crane]

Or even FE

[shy hazel]

[sharp wing]

qeq

[shy hazel]

my pvp fleet is packed with hfsr and sg

full offense

[sharp wing]

offense is best defense

[elder crane]

I've done the fire counting, FE is almost viable which is hilarious

[shy hazel]

btw

[sharp wing]

But ded ships deal 0 damage

[shy hazel]

fw will be rerun soon probably

[sharp wing]

re-rerun

[shy hazel]

my 2nd hfscr

and vf17

is near

[sharp wing]

One can dream

[shy hazel]

and ill spend 0 cubes on the build

[blazing scroll]

[elder crane]

But yeah
Overall on eHP plate=rudder I think, my guess is that if there's diff it's rudder>plate
Rudder has that rando skill though ofc, but plate is more consistent

[shy hazel]

[ripe latch]

today degens - 3 cv with ME

[elder crane]

Idk if consistent is good though for defense

Which is only time you'd run it on Amagi

if you can't get 50% then RNG is good, I think

[shy hazel]

theres nothing consistent on this meta anyways

[ripe latch]

[shy hazel]

the more nagato barrage you churn u win

[midnight heron]

pvp is consistently rng

[sharp wing]

120 is inconsistent as it is

[blazing scroll]

The namayuu appereance is consistent

[elder crane]

Ehh Namayuu 90% mirror still I think
85+% at least
This is vs top setup, you crush subpars (95+%)

[shy hazel]

ive never lost a battle for 14 seasons anyways

[sharp wing]

NamaEnty>Namayuu on def tbh

[shy hazel]

last time i lose was to trump

when trump still mattered

[elder crane]

NamaE is easy kill

[ionic magnet]

namaE

[elder crane]

Never had trouble with it

[shy hazel]

he getting impeached soon tho

[vague token]

[shy hazel]

that was pre 110 lvls era

[elder crane]

Trump is running Namayuu right now
Belfast though which is

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

he just trolling the akagas

[shy hazel]

when pvp stilp had more resets

[vague token]

probably

[shy hazel]

than now

[elder crane]

Tbf it does wall akagas even harder

[buoyant parrot]

well he's about to get impeached so I'm not surprise he's looking help from IJN

[elder crane]

Now just to do that to like half of the rest of his party
They're almost all complicit (at higher levels)

[silver root]

bunnies should be a tier above akaga now with their retros

[shy hazel]

u mean hiryuu

[buoyant parrot]

oh wait is it todays patch the Bunny Dragon ?

[elder crane]

Bunnies is a real team though

[sharp wing]

ye

[vague token]

bunnies will be stronger but akaga is still speed run

[buoyant parrot]

OOOH!!!

so much fun trolling then

[shy hazel]

soryuu is just equal to foxes

hiryuu true breadwinner

[vague token]

so if you dont care it's still better to fox to get things out of the way

[silver root]

i mean double bunny comps for the poor peasants like me who started after CE

[sharp wing]

she get's extra planes too tho

[elder crane]

Nagadragons is actually legit for PvP postretro

Supposedly only slightly worse than Namayuu

[sharp wing]

But yeah, for the purpose of fast win or lose reset, Foxes > Dragons

[shy hazel]

pretty sure nagaryuux2 will rekt nagafoxes

hiryuu got dank skill anyways

[sharp wing]

I mean, there no point running dragons over namagi for same speed

[shy hazel]

vs namaryuu i dont think so

👀

[elder crane]

Apparently it does fine

[silver root]

i just realized i dumped all my red books into formie and essex

[buoyant parrot]

having the 2 bunny together is it new meta?

[shy hazel]

[sharp wing]

nah

[buoyant parrot]

im still leaning towards 1 bunny

[shy hazel]

its a meta in jp

for some ppl

[silver root]

no books left for hanafuda

[shy hazel]

like foxes

[elder crane]

Basically you blow up VG with aurora and the team does okay
It's just a bit worse than Namayuu, supposedly

[sharp wing]

U just need WSKai for them

[shy hazel]

u gank soryuu asap

[sharp wing]

U get ambushed by hiryuu

[elder crane]

WSret vs Namayuu/Nagadragons is basically "offense wins" anyways

[buoyant parrot]

I can't wait to hear some cry and complaints in #al-general 😂

[shy hazel]

u meam

[buoyant parrot]

ready your bowl for catching some tears~

[shy hazel]

gamefeedback

[sharp wing]

I mean WSfoxes, WSDragons

[shy hazel]

longer term

cvs are still inferior

[vague token]

i thought the help/general was already full of tears for just normal hiryuu

xD

[elder crane]

WSfoxes/Dragons is basically Namagi weird variants
Namagi/WS will still carry you to a win very often but your team is still bad

[sharp wing]

yeah, u win so

IT's mostly for ppl who don't have event ships