pvp

[still minnow]

for some inexplicable reason

[ionic magnet]

is eldridge not on your waifu list

[still minnow]

she's the personality equivalent of a flat chest

[ionic magnet]

classic enty counter

[coral wren]

Well, you are experiencing season 1 pvp. Big e+whatever is killing your fleet

[ionic magnet]

actually met 1 eldridge user earlier

formie + cent cant do shit

lmao

[still minnow]

usually I don't pay any attention if it's a loli but I might pikc up edlridge

[coral wren]

too bad you can't shrink eldirdge's skill timer

[shy hazel]

[still minnow]

why is eldridge an enty counter tho

[shy hazel]

time to make small e gr8 again

[coral wren]

Cause timings

[midnight heron]

imagine if she had no internal cd

[shy hazel]

cockblock people like cay

[ionic magnet]

your VG evades all lucky Es

[still minnow]

it's only a 15% chance though

[coral wren]

lmao

[shy hazel]

did u know

[zenith tundra]

let's go back to eldridge meta where u reset if ur doesn't proc and opponent does. that sounds fun

[shy hazel]

cay almost got top 1 avrora

stalled by eldridge

HAHAHA

[ionic magnet]

15% is guaranteed p much when you get hit by 10 bullets a second

[still minnow]

oooh

I thought if the proc failed

it entered cooldown

[midnight heron]

[still minnow]

?

what's unreasonable about that lol

[midnight heron]

makes her pretty much useless then

[still minnow]

a lot of ships have useless skills

[zenith tundra]

she is useless either way

[midnight heron]

yea but u're talking a merit exchange ship

[coral wren]

That's why you don't see alot of ships in pvp

[zenith tundra]

pvp is even more niche then pve

[ionic magnet]

well if your only concern is enty then yea can raise eld

[still minnow]

and yamashiro's kai makes her a purple

but drops her effectiveness down to grey

expecting any sort of consistency from this game is unreasonable I've come to decide

[shy hazel]

loo

[blazing scroll]

You can ecpect Amagi to be broken

[smoky elk]

Hyuuga is what Yamashiro should be

[blazing scroll]

[zenith tundra]

yama and fusou are specific cases

[shy hazel]

if only youd realize

eldridge and sd were pvp goddesses

they just outdated

really

[coral wren]

Yongshi has been bouncing from one extreme to another when it comes to balancing ships.

[zenith tundra]

sd was only in cn since jp didn't get washy

[shy hazel]

the time when meta was easy to get

[zenith tundra]

as for en it was barelly 3 months till amagi came

[shy hazel]

as long as u had wash

[still minnow]

and hosho has 0 FP

between that and yamashiro, eldridge's skill being totally useless

was not something that I would have been surprised by XD

[midnight heron]

its just fosho

[still minnow]

basically those two ships have set the bar for what I expect out of yojuu

[zenith tundra]

eldridge was yukikaze of enty era

[coral wren]

Actually, you could say cancer and wasde are the same. It's just that cancer being more cancerous

more invul time, more barrage dmg

[ionic magnet]

and cancer is forever

[coral wren]

It's just a straight improvement

[ionic magnet]

wait does ISSS have rerun?

[zenith tundra]

yamato will make it even more cancer

[midnight heron]

u want balance, make it real time pvp where player input actually matters ||obv wont happen||

[shy hazel]

isss will have rerun

[ionic magnet]

oh good

[shy hazel]

add the opiest ssv

[zenith tundra]

there is no balance in this game. broken ships will still be broken in in real time battles

[ionic magnet]

thought its going straight to archives

[midnight heron]

inb4 they get straightup put into archive

[ionic magnet]

no

[shy hazel]

i just ply another game again

princess connect

they can copy pvp gamemode there

tbh

theres a mode even if u have op units

its not guaranteed

cos got 3 rounds

u need 3 different

teams

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

so u pretty much forced

to distribute

or sell a fight

[zenith tundra]

dunno if i want 150 pieces of equip to be used just for pvp in al

[midnight heron]

just use 3 different team of op unit bigbrain

[coral wren]

That's actually pretty legit shit

[shy hazel]

and fight two rounds seriously

i also got opiest units in that game np

[blazing scroll]

Just use all 3 types of OP comps

[shy hazel]

doesnt guarantee anything still

lol

[zenith tundra]

ur gonna to see namaryuu ws kai hms and random waifu team in al of that was the case

[shy hazel]

u use op hms vs op ijn

[ionic magnet]

you dont get to see your opponent before a round?

[shy hazel]

yada yada

some seasons hidden

some visible

👀

[ionic magnet]

so gambling

[shy hazel]

anyways

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

i dont thibk theyll ever implement it

its fun tho

[coral wren]

op hms
That was a joke, right?

[shy hazel]

u build different teams

[midnight heron]

either way al pvp isnt even as bad as another game i played

[zenith tundra]

it still wouldn't change what u use in pvp since u would use the same meta comps

[midnight heron]

where u can use dupes of op units

[shy hazel]

in pricon u basically build

magic based

physical based

and mixed teams

[midnight heron]

imagine 3 amagi

[shy hazel]

[midnight heron]

and the thing in dat game is skills stack

so 🖕 u if u dont whale

[shy hazel]

theres the multiplayer game mode in the stream right

[zenith tundra]

u only need 2 amagi for 3 team since 1 has ws kai

[shy hazel]

[blazing scroll]

Triple lucky E

[shy hazel]

cant wait for cancer fights

[ionic magnet]

triple the resets

so fun

[shy hazel]

u fight ijn 3 times straight

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

without heals

[blazing scroll]

Imagine triple Juneau vg

[zenith tundra]

well in al u could set up 3 namaryuu since ships can't only be 2 of the same in the same team

[shy hazel]

[midnight heron]

more like triple nanoda

lul

all with boiler

[ionic magnet]

3 cockroach

just put 3 nagatos

[shy hazel]

im getting the feeling

[ionic magnet]

easy screen clears

[shy hazel]

theyll just implement

world 14

multiplayer style

lol

two players instead of one

[zenith tundra]

will w14 even happen?

[shy hazel]

battle of what

okinawa

[ionic magnet]

no we go w1 hell mode

[shy hazel]

[ionic magnet]

[midnight heron]

all enemies lvl 120

[zenith tundra]

120 is not much since w13 already has higher lvls

[midnight heron]

u get to refarm 3-4 against 120 hiryuu

[shy hazel]

lvl 150 pls

[midnight heron]

who has final counter

[shy hazel]

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

that is fine too

implement new diff

extreme mode

[ionic magnet]

dont even wanna grind to 130

[shy hazel]

for mats to flb ships

150 lvl cap

technically

this games flb is just

dr tho

lol

[zenith tundra]

extreme modes like ex that no one plays?

[ionic magnet]

what level is w13

[shy hazel]

125

[ionic magnet]

yea just keep cap at 120 and release 130 mobs

[shy hazel]

by the time en gets it

its already nerfed

np

[ionic magnet]

[midnight heron]

lvl 125 but the heavy enemies can move faster than eldridge

[zenith tundra]

problem with 130 enemies is that even manual can't save u

[ionic magnet]

you dare question my manual skills

[zenith tundra]

u can't move main fleet so rip any bb shoots that land there

[shy hazel]

just restreamline exp values really

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

mke current xp

enuf for 130

lvl cap

[zenith tundra]

it has to be 4+m for 130

[midnight heron]

honestly i wud rly hate the idea of more lvls

[ionic magnet]

we need some kind of a new gimmick for w14

[midnight heron]

u cant even feasibly 120 all available ships rn

[ionic magnet]

^

[zenith tundra]

the only lvl cap they can release with current xp curve is 125

[midnight heron]

dat wud be a pretty stupid decision unless they implement some system where u can divert exp to target ships once u at cap

[zenith tundra]

imo 3m to 125 and then no longer stock xp

[shy hazel]

make pvp xp gain x20

[smoky elk]

and pay gem to impliment xp transfer....just like wows

[midnight heron]

i support dat idea

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

its win win

more ppl do pvp

[zenith tundra]

it's not really. gonna have all cancer on def and u have to beat it with underleveled ships

[midnight heron]

as if im not doing dat rn

tho i hav to say its pretty much impossible (or u will destroy ur sanity trying) without using maxed meta backline at least

[shy hazel]

im grinding nep

in pvp rn

dump belfat

[zenith tundra]

even with wa kai + whatever u want leveling up a backline is not fun.

[midnight heron]

gotta sacrifice smth

either dat or i wait till the day xp gain gets removed from pvp

then i'll just run meta all day

[zenith tundra]

i'd rather farm with a ship if i need to level then have to reset as soon as i see a cancer comp

[midnight heron]

thing is pr makes it unfeasible

u hav to use certain ships or u get no xp

[zenith tundra]

pr grind eventually ends

[midnight heron]

yea but long way to go for me at least

makes me wanna kms (yes pun intended) cuz ib cruisers suck and i dont hav space to lvl their skills

[zenith tundra]

it's also a nice feeling once ur done and can use what u want again

[midnight heron]

at least pr2 doesnt hav ib vg to farm for if not i wud flip out

[zenith tundra]

the d maps req are somehow even worse then pr ship farming

[midnight heron]

im fine with those cuz u not restricted to nations

and nations with trash or very few ships get cucked

[zenith tundra]

pr2 doesn't change much since for vg dd are not that good so u end up using cl and ca either way and for backlines bb are still better for solo farm then cv

[midnight heron]

even better then

~~except for those pvp breaking ships ~~

[zenith tundra]

what a nice def comp too bad for juneau tank

[midnight heron]

sacrificial lamb

[zenith tundra]

if u don't oath hiryuu and use her u don't deserve her

200 affection on a lvl 120 ship sounds fun. so much wasted xp

i did that since hiryuu here wasn't oathed and already 120.

[lone pendant]

lol

[coral wren]

Anyone know wht this thing is

[sharp wing]

debug console

hide and don't bother

[coral wren]

Setup. Good, or bad?

[ionic magnet]

only main gun is good

[coral wren]

[sharp wing]

aux gun is fine

unless u have Mle

[ionic magnet]

or twin 127mm

[sharp wing]

more fp for her barrage better

she already has high aa

u need gold AA

[ionic magnet]

staag/bofors for aa gun

[coral wren]

So change Aux with 127

[ionic magnet]

sg radar for aux

[sharp wing]

double SG if going pvp, she misses a lot

[ionic magnet]

i still prefer HE dd gun as aux

that 120mm wont kill anything

[sharp wing]

same as that 127

[ionic magnet]

really

[sharp wing]

aux gun there meant more for buff

esp since she is Not in Flag spot

[ionic magnet]

eh 127 is p much standard gun for suicide comps

even ykkz wont last long

[sharp wing]

she won't even shoot anything most likely

[coral wren]

So......what am I supposed to use I’m getting mixed signals

[sharp wing]

double SG, gold AA gun and secondary gun to yr liking

[ionic magnet]

if you need backline protection go 127mm

if not then w/e

[sharp wing]

ideally u need Mle DD gun there

for fp buff

[ionic magnet]

yea

do you have 138?

[sharp wing]

those 5 fp extra from purple gun is really mediocre boost

[coral wren]

So like this?

[sharp wing]

no gold SGs

idk

[ionic magnet]

i assume no hfcr also?

[coral wren]

[sharp wing]

fcr might be better xD

[ionic magnet]

well just farm first

[sharp wing]

it has t3 stats at least

Better use that purple FCR u had before over purple sg

But overall u need gear before u get to pvp really

[ionic magnet]

[sharp wing]

few gold SGs at least

Look pinned tierlist for gears

[ripe latch]

reload + shell on core

[grand sluice]

So, WSK/Hood/Monarch or Nagato/Amagi/WSK?

Which would be the most annoying for when WSK arrives? lol

[sharp wing]

hood is obsolete for some time now

Namagi sure

some shenanigans will work good on off sure, warkai cent formie, qe kgv ws, kgv ws monarch need to see what has highest wr

warkai foxes

[shy hazel]

this is pvp

i forgot i joined a crew

[trim horizon]

👀

[shy hazel]

was farming al event

i forgot gbf

unacceptable

[ripe latch]

[sharp wing]

[jovial sedge]

[buoyant parrot]

I'd definitely go WS Kai, Amagi, Monarch

Or QE, WS Kai, Monarch

[analog hare]

which fighter is better for taking down enemy plane, ME or Hellcat ??

[blazing scroll]

ME for planes

[sharp wing]

Meme has superior aa capabilities, but no bombs

skyrocket second after meme in AA dps/burst balance

[coral wren]

Unfortunately, wc re rerun had no golden junkers

[sharp wing]

It had no homing torps

that's the problem

Also, we need gold heccdiver, not stuka

Any Sandy 250-300 score?

[sharp wing]

I'm getting again

[split marten]

hmmm

to buy hood swimsuit or to not buy hood swimsuit

[shell heron]

10 minutes

[split marten]

@coral wren why is your gun only +8

[silver root]

nothing but akaga comps on wash for the last 6 resets

where are my cancer comps im trying to run tests

[split marten]

@silver root idk about you but I see a bunch of namaryuus with ykkz juneau and sanrui

and I'm also washi

[silver root]

i been refreshing my lists just to find more and still cant find any

that or they arent full 120s so level advantage makes the testing meaningless

[split marten]

You’re decently high on the ladder atm right?

[elder crane]

The problem with WS/Namagi for now is that we don't have a really good second IJN VG to run
Jint is okay but she, and torpmemes in general, aren't super top-of-line

[sharp wing]

We have buki

[elder crane]

Ibuki is not super amazing either, same category as Jint really, fairly strong but not top

oh nice, I hope we get the wishing well too
means I might be able to complete collection

[coral wren]

qe or kgv for cent/form?

[sharp wing]

qe to buff them

kinda like Nakaga

but w/ eva buff

It's actually like middle ground between nakaga and amakaga

But if KGV can delete vg early on, this might even work better

that's a IF tho

[split marten]

see here's the thing

formidable also exists now

so many good HMS backliners but only 3 slots

you think the comp should be KGV WSKai Formidable, QE WSKai Formidable, or KGV WSkai QE, or WSKai Formidable KGV?

@sharp wing

[coral wren]

we will test it all when ws kai is out, right now it's kinda pointless to talk about

[split marten]

I'm sure the Nips have already tested it and beyond by now tho

🇯🇵

[sharp wing]

Or warkai cent form

[silver root]

WSKai is used to insta-delete a backliner so it becomes a 6vs5

using her with formi or cent seems counterproductive

[sharp wing]

Now watch ppl aim ws at hiryuu

[silver root]

[sharp wing]

I don't see anything wrong there

It's same as wsfoxes

[vague token]

ws kai has lowest chance of hitting slowed/za warudo'd ships though

no point running her with formidable

[sharp wing]

ws aims main

u don't run form to sync w/ bb shots anyway

[silver root]

yeah but why not just run QE

[sharp wing]

ws mid and barrage boat on bot

top slot is whatever

But then u get cucced by hiryuu top

so u go for ws top

then u can qe mid ofc

[silver root]

right that works

[sharp wing]

but bot barrageboat w/ top WS is useless too

so u better off w/ carrier bot when ws top

[silver root]

im saying that WSkai isnt optimal with cent+formi

either one or the other, not both

[sharp wing]

I didn't say it's optimal?

I don't see optimal barrageboat bot when ws top for now

[silver root]

then yes i agree

[sharp wing]

just formie can tank flag slot, but it can be QE or KGV or whatever too

maybe even barrageboat mid w/ ws top, when hiryuu top

and bot Cent

Probably least tedious setup would be swapping barrageboat and ws w/ cent(qe)
When hiryu not top, ws mid, barrage bot and top cent/qe
When hiryuu top, ws top, barrage mid and cent/qe bot
Easy moving around without need to swap out ship for lazy ppl

Then again u can use Formie to tank Amagi and such instead of said cent

But cent eva probably good enough

[vague token]

10/15 the struggle

[sharp wing]

same

Also missed 7 tix or something

[vague token]

hard to get bonus now xD

[ionic magnet]

problem with cent+formie rn is clearing VGs too fast so you end up with main vs main and you have high chance to lose cos hiryuu still has her bs skill

if only there's a ship that can reliably snipe 1 backliner

[vague token]

if only

[split marten]

meanwhile we get hiryuu kai before wskai

[sharp wing]

Well, looks like that's how it was on jp too

https://discordapp.com/channels/456397991847395339/516951413411020819/625116667629928494

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

you know, now that i think about it

if we get all events on the replay thingy

we'll be able to get more RWG

for cvs

[sharp wing]

except it's not drop

it was shop item

Also collabs dun get there

that archive is pretty pointless aside farming homing torps and Mle

[vague token]

oh we dont get the shop gear in core or something?

that's laaaaame

so rip 2nd hpfcr?

[sharp wing]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/War_Archives

[vague token]

=(

[sharp wing]

u only get og drops

map drops

and event ships just added into perma pool

and some in core, like akatsuki

[vague token]

rip hpfcr then i guess

[sharp wing]

obviously

[vague token]

they should just toss them as a new research or core or something

[sharp wing]

i will farm speed SP

sp3 drops gld quints there

but not gonna bother w/ events like vdir

we got planes in projects anyway and droprate hilariously low for 30 mins a day

[vague token]

xD

[sharp wing]

plus u need unlock maps 1st

tbh it's more for ppl who missed event and want to get memories

archive

if u can even get it this way

[vague token]

i guess ill be able to get spee

and tirpitz eventually

[sharp wing]

well, spee will just get perma anyway

tirp will take bit longer

Hmmm, did spee get rerun

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

ye

2 reruns on CN even

so that's another event to have 2nd rerun aside mikasa

[vague token]

owo

[sharp wing]

initial run was CN exclusive

[vague token]

i see

[sharp wing]

then 1st cn rerun was jp debute

and 2nd rerun jp 1st rerun

and En came fuccing late to the party

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

En only one to have it in 2k19 and as 1st run

[split marten]

or it's for people like me

who started playing this game under 2 months ago

[sharp wing]

I mean, u only get profit from maps as story. Not like u gonna be able to really farm gear or ship. Just gonna build ships/buy in core shop. At least VDiR planes are in projects

So outside of story it's kinda safe to skip

Iris archive would make some butts burn

[vague token]

would it be better to have a fast but more costly oil fleet since you only get 30 minutes? xD

[sharp wing]

sure

and since u need rush maps to unlock next

[vague token]

[ionic magnet]

better just treat it as another weekly raid i guess

cos you can stack 30 tickets iirc

1 ticket = 15 mins

[sharp wing]

up to 30

[solid phoenix]

Guys, which is the BoS fighter for Hiryuu in Namahiryuu main fleet? Reppuu or VF-17?

I've heard of the viability of using reppu to trigger AA shots first before the other planes come, but is it worth compared to the VF-17 AA abilities?

[sharp wing]

it's all pretty debatable

[ionic magnet]

^

not really sure if it makes a difference

[sharp wing]

Sure ijn could use some AA boost, but would you sacrifice some crash damage for it?

Would it even be a sacrifice?

[ionic magnet]

[sharp wing]

And % boost to IJN low AA also might be not that gr8 boost to their survivability

I swap it around and don't see much difference

aside from bit faster launch w/ vf-17

[solid phoenix]

I'm running a Juneau Belfast Yuki vanguard, might replace belfast soon due to less Nakaga fleets, so AA buffs might be beneficial to Juneau on the first wave

[shy hazel]

reppuu

vf17 is for foxes

you want the fastest launch as possible

[sharp wing]

vf-17 is faster tho

[shy hazel]

👀

[sharp wing]

Pleb.

[shy hazel]

vf 17 just has more aa

[sharp wing]

[shy hazel]

which you dont rly need

in the meta

anymore

[sharp wing]

vf-17 is just faster and has those t0 bombs

[solid phoenix]

But Reppu's main purpose in PvP is to trigger the enemy AA, right?

[sharp wing]

but doesn't do AA bait

Reppuu is AA bait

[solid phoenix]

So if I truly didn't care about AA, I'd just pick VF17 for faster launch

[sharp wing]

otherways vf-17 better

the main damage difference is that vf-17 has harder hitting bombs, and reppu has bigger crash damage

[solid phoenix]

What's the formula for crash damage relative to health?

The VF17 has better plane health but less crash damage; supposing both of them gets hit by enemy AA, would the VF17 have more health by the crash, causing more damage?

[vague token]

crash damage always does at least 30%

[sharp wing]

(CurrentPlaneHP%×0.7+0.3)

0.3 is minimal

[vague token]

but since the majority of planes have 400+ hp in pvp cause 4x multiplier

the average percentage is probably gonna be what, 70% total?

or higher

unless someone has sandy memes

[sharp wing]

Well, hp difference between vf-17 and reppu is bigger, than crash damage diff

so maybe vf-17 won't even deal less crash

[vague token]

i mean, having 20 more hp doesnt help you have more % hp really

or w/e

xD

[sharp wing]

At lvl 100 it's 50 hp diff

scale it to 120...

hp scales w/ cv lvl

[vague token]

i mean, depends on how much damage you take really

if the reppuu gets shot down or nearly dead while vf preserves its hp by sharing damage

you might have more or less

who knows

xD

[sharp wing]

and remember quadruple

[vague token]

i mean it's still entirely dependent on the aa damage more than base health

if you dont take much aa damage

then it doesnt really matter

xD

[sharp wing]

well, u always get damage

[vague token]

like higher base crash means you always get a higher minimum

higher hp means you have higher chance of higher damage

[sharp wing]

some else ask on wiki feedback to add planes hp, speed and crash to comparison tables

Those plebs don't get why it's needed

[vague token]

kek

[sharp wing]

I mean, crash damage doesn't scale w/ lvl like hp. That 20 damage diff will remain like that, while hp difference get overbloated w/ lvls + quad pvp mult too

It's all really debatable overall and might not really make any impact

[vague token]

air mechanics too convoluted

xD

[solid phoenix]

What's Yukikaze's BoS aux? Double toolbox, or toolbox + oxytorp?

[sharp wing]

FE + boiler

FE her main gear

[solid phoenix]

Isn't the boiler something that CN uses in PvP meta because torps are practically nonexistent there?

[sharp wing]

it's used so that yr vg not get decimated by shellls and less bombs

U need certain speed value on vg to evade shelling

for 2cl 1 dd vg it's 2 boilers + beaver buff

to be comfortable

3 better ofc

but that needs some gear degradation

[solid phoenix]

But in our current meta, some fleets still feature Jintsuu and OP torps, and speed would be detrimental in this sort of fight, right?

[sharp wing]

it's never

[vague token]

speed is better at dodging torps

unless you get unlucky

cause mag torps kinda crawl around

you have the same odds of going slow and they home in on you as you do zooming past them

also, when you have high speed you can trigger their homing early and make them unable to target your main

and still just zoom away from them

RNG required

[sharp wing]

speed always good

without speed yr vg is just sitting ducks

[solid phoenix]

Alright then

[vague token]

and of course

most important

speed means you have higher odds of not getting hit by shelling

which sets you on fire

for all your hp

xD

also there are a bunch of people using white shell

ive noticed double damage crits

so speed helps with that

[sharp wing]

u can't reach double tho unless + crit damage skill

[vague token]

wait do crits apply damage like the damage boosts do in pvp

[sharp wing]

1.75 w/ shell

[vague token]

so is it the additive thing

[sharp wing]

1.5 default crit

[vague token]

no i mean

.8 for all main

does it add .75

or does it multiply

remember like the ammo and all that

from 2x damage skills

[sharp wing]

probably 1.75 x .8

[vague token]

like i would hope it does it like that

but since 2x skills just add 100% xD

i dunno

[sharp wing]

2x x 0.8 still so u get 1.6 aka double

[vague token]

what

i thought we determined it went .8 to 1.8

because it just added 100% to the damage

[sharp wing]

adds 100% of yr 80%

[vague token]

imma have to go way back

in the log

and check lol

[sharp wing]

I don't even remember

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

cause im pretty sure back when sodak was being discussed with focused assault

[shy hazel]

you all suck

[sharp wing]

Loser.

[vague token]

im a casual so it's fine xD

[sharp wing]

Go back to pecoland

[shy hazel]

[sharp wing]

[shy hazel]

alrdy 0

stamina

[sharp wing]

[shy hazel]

pricon ez game

[sharp wing]

There no stamina pots grind?

[shy hazel]

can spend stamIna in 5 mins

nein

thats gbf

[sharp wing]

QEQ

well, most games w/ stamina have that

[ionic magnet]

AK has none too

[sharp wing]

well, turn based rpgs at least

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

i dont think FGO has it

[sharp wing]

grand ordeal... is ordeal

So it doesn't count

[ionic magnet]

forcing peeps to whale on stamina

[sharp wing]

Or was it gae ordeal

[vague token]

oh i found it

on cn wiki

damage boosts are additive

to the penalty

https://gyazo.com/5ed4704f952d4767a342671a8cb37768

[sharp wing]

i just had hiryuu launch ryuuseis on Nanoda vertically

[vague token]

so a "100%" boost

is more like 125%

cause .8 on main to 1.8 on main

crit is separate though at least

[sharp wing]

well, crits still should be like normal

multiplicative

[vague token]

yeah, could have been just rng went up on the base damage

[sharp wing]

aka 1.5 x 0.8

or 1.75 x 0.8 w/ shell

[vague token]

oh and baltimore isnt 120 yet so probably that

xD

[sharp wing]

My dork hit 120 before 200, i hate when that happens

d3 gives too much exp

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

I have no more oathed bbs to 120

that didn't hit 200

need bb/bc slots on event

dumb reqs

[vague token]

1k evasion =(

[sharp wing]

Well, my mahans do job done

still 10/15 tho

[vague token]

i need to level them still X_x

[sharp wing]

whom

[vague token]

mahans

[sharp wing]

ah

they are very handy

cassinKai is QT

We can both be shutin

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

she drink the cola

[shy hazel]

shit taste

[vague token]

lel

[sharp wing]

Jelly loser.

[shy hazel]

the only like able character in this game

is unicorn

even tho

shes also a thot

[sharp wing]

[shy hazel]

[sharp wing]

cassinkai + long island kai

hiki squad

long island skin

not kai

the no pants no problem

[vague token]

isnt ayaya kinda shut in

[sharp wing]

Some of her skins maybe

well, there a lot of those IJN scaredy-cats

[vague token]

xD

where's that jersey PoW skin jk

[sharp wing]

1 bp droped

I mean... This is.... just... too... much...

[trim horizon]

yes, follow me

nothing bad won't happen to you

[sharp wing]

Begone

This shitkican touches lolies

[trim horizon]

[vague token]

[shy hazel]

kind of funny

when your list is good

but all of em are sandbaggers

[sharp wing]

[split marten]

imagine not sandbagging in 2k19

[midnight heron]

rusher life

[sharp wing]

Foodies

[split marten]

Rushing admiral lul

Even lost 2 matches this season

[sharp wing]

The only rush is gensui

[split marten]

pls

I can't make gensui

not with my dogshit fleet

if you knew what I was PvPing with you would fall on the floor laughing

[sharp wing]

U know i lvled many stuff in pvp

[split marten]

Now to finish Sanrui

[sharp wing]

I wish pvp gave good exp tho

Like exercises intended

[split marten]

For costing 0 oil it’s pretty good typically

[sharp wing]

well, 1k exp

[split marten]

Well, as long as you’re not a peasant stuck in ‘low elo’

But then again I climb on meme defense fleets

[sharp wing]

meme gives poo exp

unless it's like torpmeme something

120

[split marten]

Ye torpmeme is nice exp

[sharp wing]

And running even 1 lvling vg significantly lower winrates

[split marten]

The best meme to get exp is kms with like 14k strength

Cause KMS is fucking terrible lol

[sharp wing]

How to kill Roon

[split marten]

She just dies

Because her backline is trash

[stark raft]

How to kill portland

[split marten]

[sharp wing]

[smoky elk]

make Indy said "i hate you, sister"

[split marten]

"onee chan... urusai."

[midnight heron]

i use 3 lvling vg in pvp fite me

and 1 lvling backline

still hav decent winrates except against those trash cheaters with like 100% proc baga

[split marten]

wait you can't modify owari da to 100% can you?

if you can, that explains why it feels like I just keep getting owari da'd over and over every time I reset

[midnight heron]

ofc u cant but claiming its 100% is ur brains self defence mechanism to explain such bs

[stark raft]

getting Enty'd in 2019

[split marten]

look buddy

there exists something called Helena Enterprise cheese

with Baltimore to boost AVI even more

[stark raft]

Just kill helena before she gets debuff off

Baltimore also useless weight

Helena Balt also means choice of Jun/Ykkz so theres no problem

[quartz scaffold]

is essex's blue skill good in pvp

[sharp wing]

4 USS ships in pvp... Consider that skill non existent

[ionic magnet]

with you needing more USS ships, no not really

series of reruns they say

FW hype

[sharp wing]

Except FW was a rerun

[ionic magnet]

yea rerun of rerun

cos EN

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

baltimore isnt too bad

but she needs off tank

[sharp wing]

technically only CN got OG run

[stark raft]

Yeah but even with

Jun Nanoda Balti

it's a meme

[sharp wing]

ezsex alone is meme already

[ionic magnet]

only ijn can run memes and still rekt anything

👀

[buoyant parrot]

how's everyone's SANDBAGGING schemes?

[sharp wing]

what is sandbagging

[vague token]

my essex meme doesnt run ykk cause it's meme

[buoyant parrot]

😂

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

juneau/sirius/balti

[ionic magnet]

lost 4 matches

[vague token]

essex/amagi/sara

[ionic magnet]

what is sandbagging

[sharp wing]

i missed 7

[buoyant parrot]

sad

[sharp wing]

Not like it prevents gensui

I get gensui even w/ -11 and not as good start

[buoyant parrot]

I always forget are you in avrora

[stark raft]

sandbagging?

Don't you mean sleep on 14 tickets

[sharp wing]

nah

[stark raft]

[buoyant parrot]

coz I'm pretty sure that's sort of impossoible

[sharp wing]

on avrora probably

[vague token]

who cares about sandbag

[sharp wing]

You just need to wait saturday 1st reset

[vague token]

i just want 1 sap gun

[sharp wing]

they dun drop

1 season i pushed 3 rank ups into gensui

[vague token]

im at 12/15

i believe

[sharp wing]

11/15

and i need some sleep now

and i have some work and party tomorrow

[trim horizon]

[sharp wing]

That gun is trash anyway

Well, tomorrow... It is already tomorrow...

Oh, ye. Almost forgot to push tix

Would totally sleep reset

[split marten]

I saw a guy actually have a good USS comp

I think it was Helena Juneau Balti, Essex Enty and I think Amagi

4 USS ships, very cheesy, and worked surprisingly well

[sharp wing]

well, u imagine how bad that thing is without yukie dred and junie heal in surviving

[stark raft]

No yuki/jun is basically a free win

[sharp wing]

Well, enty can always rng...

[split marten]

@vague token I'm 11/15 as well mate

except I have 600 oil left

[sharp wing]

i have like 5k

i dun use that much oil

[split marten]

people say sap gun ain't even good

[sharp wing]

on regular botes no

[blazing scroll]

Pr gun is just better

[sharp wing]

only on ammo botes and zara

[split marten]

ye but isn't PR gun better?

PR 203mm SK C?

[sharp wing]

on zara no

[split marten]

that's what I'm thinking too

but the virgins in #gameplay-help seem to disagree

[sharp wing]

virgins

[blazing scroll]

The problem with the zara gun is the slow firing

Takes 1.2s

[split marten]

ye

[sharp wing]

but good pattern

[split marten]

also the virgins in #gameplay-help think there's a significant difference between PR 203mm and eugen gun

[blazing scroll]

But it kills the reload

[sharp wing]

well, there is

[split marten]

yeah there's a diff but it's not big

[vague token]

the only thing sap gun has is most projectiles per second

[sharp wing]

it is big actually

[vague token]

because sheer volume of fire

but this game doesnt have On Hit Effects for the most part

so it's basically useless

[blazing scroll]

If they cut down the firing time, the gun would be amazing

[vague token]

baltimore and i think suzuya are the only on hit ships

[split marten]

[vague token]

or at least the wiki SAYS on hit

for suzuya

[split marten]

and then there's kiro's famous flood meme

I think I once actually saw a flood defense fleet

Saratoga Essex Formidable

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

Wel, zara gun firing is almost same as prinz gun, just extra salvo so extra 0.2 sec

prinz gun fires 3 times double shots, zara 4

[stark raft]

this was what you saw

nvm no Sara

[blazing scroll]

Why would you use sandy with 3 cvs?

[split marten]

close

actually I think I saw Finn as well

like yesterday or day before

Washington is a small server

[stark raft]

Prolly for Essex skill but its a meme anyway

[vague token]

stacking eagle cvs for essex is a marginal boost for her flood anyways xD

[blazing scroll]

I'm building my own USS meme fleet rn

[vague token]

she gets 5% free automatically

;)

[sharp wing]

Wonder how many ppl actually have 120 Wasd

[stark raft]

This littorio gun is trash no?

[vague token]

the 381?

[sharp wing]

it is ofc

[stark raft]

yeah

[vague token]

yeah that thing is bad

like just straight up bad

SAP gun is mostly bad

[blazing scroll]

Mine are 115

[vague token]

with 2 tiny uses

[stark raft]

time to get more chips i guess

[blazing scroll]

Sodak might be closer to 120 tho

Because waifu

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

i probably wont level wash, but sodak and bama will go to 120 eventually xD

[blazing scroll]

I'm lvling bama atm

[sharp wing]

Bama won't cause i dun want to oath

[split marten]

I'm building a retarded USS meme fleet too

[blazing scroll]

All the chocolate skinned ships will be 120

[split marten]

[blazing scroll]

[sharp wing]

And not gonna 120 something without 200 aff farm

[blazing scroll]

I am

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

once i get formidable to 120 ill probably swap birmingham in since ill be down an eagle for essex

ill just have to lose sirius xD

[stark raft]

Finally oathed formi

[vague token]

birmingham at least has stall power

[stark raft]

she just needs 20+ levels now

[ionic magnet]

interesting went 17-3 vs him

[stark raft]

Looks like 2 rudder backline no?

[ionic magnet]

swapped cent to cudas

[stark raft]

14040 cancer is usually 2 rudder

[ionic magnet]

not sure abt that

[split marten]

aurora

[stark raft]

what was launch time for cent/formi?

[trim horizon]

14068 2x rudder

[blazing scroll]

Not using Sirius?

[ionic magnet]

yea aurora allows for some early jun and ykkz deletes

but i swapped nep for now

[vague token]

sirius doesnt do much for centaur

[ionic magnet]

cos torp memes are actually harder to beat with this comp lol

[vague token]

compared to aurora

[ionic magnet]

formie still dies to amagi from time to time

need to max her asap

[stark raft]

My formi 98

Maybe 120 in a week

[vague token]

owo

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

still working on balti/essex 120

xD

oops lost a match

wasnt paying attention cause gw2

in auto mode cause i just want SAP gun

[hot creek]

1v1 me in gw2, kiro

[stark raft]

[vague token]

ok

after guild missions

;)

rip wasted the rng the game gave me though

kek

[elder crane]

Oh were we talking about maxed wasd
I have one

Even maxed enty and Helena to oldschool it
Eld is still a while off though

[vague token]

xD

that's super retro

[split marten]

I'm still using my merit on purins instead of getting Edridge or SoDa

[silver root]

eyyy its my essex meme fleet

that comp completely trivializes nakaga

formi is very, very good at vaporizing VGs

unfortunately it dont work so well against namaryuu because hiryuu is cancer and triple cv cant tank 3 extra air strikes

[split marten]

[silver root]

so i swapped formie out for hiryuu to fight cancer with cancer

[split marten]

I wanna also be a meta slave dad

teach me to be a meta slave dad

[smoky elk]

it sure feel gratifying , seeing ykkz got overwhelmed while ensnared

[split marten]

oh actually

[silver root]

less dominating against nakaga but way more consistant against everything

[split marten]

real talk do I finish my USS meme fleet first or my HMS meme fleet first?

USS meme fleet is going to be Nicholas, Helena, Juneau VG, Essex Enty some random BB/BC or Saratoga main

HMS meme fleet is going to be Belfast, Sanrui, Juneau VG, QE Hood/Monarch (until WSKai) Formi main

[silver root]

essex meme will be over as soon as WSKai hits EN

medium CVs will get nuked in 1 salvo when WSKai comes

[split marten]

ye so

second meme fleet seems better yeah?

[shy hazel]

[silver root]

wskai probably wont come for another 6 months so i mean

[split marten]

well I could always just be an asshole and not use QE, and just use Formi Hood Hiryuu with 0 synergy

[silver root]

but yes the HMS fleet will have longer value

[split marten]

QE is so bad, wish I had KGV instead

but I suppose she's a necessary evil

[silver root]

monarch QE formie/cent works

also use neptune with QE instead of sanrui