pvp

[vague token]

;)

[sharp wing]

Leander (Retrofit), Cygnet (Retrofit), Acasta, Juno, Bailey, Sims (Retrofit), Black Prince, Southampton, Crescent (Retrofit), Comet (Retrofit)

[smoky elk]

[vague token]

didnt lots of bcs have smoke

oh hey sims retro gets smoke

[sharp wing]

Hey, BP has smoke

[vague token]

we dont have smugmaster

[sharp wing]

BP + Bel

Bic smoke team

[vague token]

acasta has flag protection

and smoke

and death raid

xD

[sharp wing]

she is loli kinda

[vague token]

If Acasta is the last ship alive in the Escort fleet: increase own damage dealt by 20% (50%) and increases own damage received by 8% (20%).

[sharp wing]

well, smoll

[vague token]

meme

[sharp wing]

yeah

her sister better

but no smoke

[vague token]

well, no retro is why

oh wait

she does

xD

air strike damage

[sharp wing]

we have retroes

ardent is cv dred + air assist

[vague token]

na acasta is better than ardent

flag shield

and doesnt have disturbance shooting

the biggest meme

[sharp wing]

yeah, useless raid skill

[vague token]

na, just make her die last

maybe she shoots one last torp

for 50% damage

boost

xD

[sharp wing]

Imagine making DDs that is not jav, aya or nanoda surive more than 5 secs

[coral wren]

leander would be your choice i think, not like you want cygnet

[vague token]

bp is also not bad

xD

[sharp wing]

BP + Bel

• Siri for... reasons

[vague token]

yes... reasons

[sharp wing]

Big reasons

[smoky elk]

sirius reasons

[sharp wing]

And 3 CV backline from Lusty sisters

that's one Big fleet

[smoky elk]

guaranteed soft landing

[sharp wing]

and vg soft bouncing

[smoky elk]

i dont have Vicky

[sharp wing]

[smoky elk]

despite heavy armor, Lusty's sisters each is lighter than Enty

[sharp wing]

[smoky elk]

Illustrous-class is 27k tons, Enty is 32k tons

[sharp wing]

Enty designed for more planes tho?

[smoky elk]

kinda general USN doctrine,

air capacity/ survial : RN carrier = 45/65 USN carrier = 70/30 IJN carrier = 85/15

[sharp wing]

Enty carried 90 planes, Lusty 36

[vague token]

to be fair there were probably more air fields usable on the eastern front

didnt need carriers to cart as many planes

xD

[sharp wing]

well, russia didn't have carriers

but they used naval bombardment support

in field battles

[smoky elk]

Lusty's class pioneered armored flgiht deck, trading for halved air capacity

[sharp wing]

USS got Midways by the end of war anyway

own armored carriers

[smoky elk]

Taihou tried to reverse-enginner that concept, and adding full capacity aircraft....trading for flawed water-level compartmentation and poor damage control

[elder crane]

oh nice now we can just tell ppl missing ykkz to git gud

[sharp wing]

Well, that was more of untrained crew problem

[elder crane]

the design was still flawed
untrained crew is just what caused it to escalate to a disaster

[smoky elk]

Midway is the culminations of what USN carrier doctrine had learned and observed, from the RN allies and IJN opponents and add em all together

[elder crane]

Midway was half sigint and half luck (on just how well it went)

CVs being vulnerable to being struck first had already been shown in Philippine Sea

[vague token]

i think he meant the midway class

[sharp wing]

Midway CV...

[smoky elk]

my apology for not wording clear enough

[sharp wing]

heavy carrier w/ 100 planes

[coral wren]

well, cv era is in the past so why not make a game about ICBMs

You build a girl, you send her on a commission and she's gone

[sharp wing]

[coral wren]

Build x100 more of her

To die as well

[sharp wing]

[elder crane]

more like you build up a stock of ICBMs and have them loiter around

MAD and all

[coral wren]

[smoky elk]

just like how ppl thought gun-pod would be obsolete on aircraft on the advent of air-to-air missiles

then Vietnam-war proved em wrong

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

those people were dumb

xD

[elder crane]

"Yes Minister" gives the best explanation of conventional military vs nuclear deterrence I've seen

basically nukes are, well, the nuclear option

0 finesse

[smoky elk]

and "tanks would be obsolete with more atgm missiles" then comes composite armor and ERA, and APS

[elder crane]

laughs in sta

[vague token]

/laughs in the inability of jets to occupy land areas

[elder crane]

tanks would be obselete.... for anyone who can't contest air vs you

Well tanks can't really occupy either
in the end it's the infantry that's the core of the army for that reason

[coral wren]

Unfortunately tanks are still very vulnerable to Anti-tank guided missiles.

[sharp wing]

Armored infantry

[smoky elk]

tanks are slowly substituted by heavier-armed APC or IFV for versatility and utility

[elder crane]

I would argue only because of the current asymmetric combat most nations find themselves in

in a conventional war tanks still for sure have their place

[coral wren]

Uhh, i see them as deathtraps =/

[smoky elk]

at worst, tanks wil lbe reduced in numbers, but will never cease any time soon

[sharp wing]

An army of drones

[smoky elk]

or tankgirls

[sharp wing]

can eat up either army or fleet

[elder crane]

up until you jam/EMP them

[coral wren]

i think nations like china uss and russia already have their methods of dealing with drones, such as microwave weapon

[elder crane]

or better yet, hack them

[sharp wing]

and they self-destruct

U don't even need to give drone a weapon

[smoky elk]

that's why very few drones are automated nowadays, majority of em still RCAV to minimized such threat

[sharp wing]

just put some explosive

[elder crane]

and they're still vulnerable to jamming

happens every so often these days, whenever they're deployed vs someone not in tech dark ages

[sharp wing]

Well, jihads always better

[smoky elk]

if jammed they just lose control and crashed, no system to auto-pilot it to commit unauthorized task

[elder crane]

won't be til full automation until they're fully reliable for nonasymmetric
but then the hacking/bug risks are probably too high

[vague token]

drone girls gacha

[smoky elk]

some civlian subliminal fear of such automation may be affected by films that depict global-robot-uprising (ex. Terminator . Matrix, etc.)

dronegirls, might be a sub-division of airplanegirls

unless AL will impliment midgetsubgirls

[sharp wing]

[coral wren]

wha

midget girls?

sounds horrifying

[smoky elk]

or shipclass below destroyer : Frigate/Destroyer Escort > Corvette/Sloop > Gunboat/PTboat

[coral wren]

pirate gunboats from somali

[smoky elk]

Eldridge is a Destroyer Escort/Frigate , but counted as DD in AL because there's no classification smaller (yet)

[sharp wing]

anything smaller than DD would total crap anyway

[split marten]

I want Corvettes too

[smoky elk]

would have tiny FP and mediocre-at-best Torp, near-nonexistent AA, but insane EVA of 250+ and spd

[split marten]

Why are Destroyers called destroyers

They can’t destroy shit

[sharp wing]

And eva is useless

[smoky elk]

and if DD like mutsuki is kindaergarten, then smaller ships would be todlers

[split marten]

Yikes

[sharp wing]

They would more shitty HMS DDs

[still minnow]

compared to torpedo boats, a destroyer is very good at destroying

[sharp wing]

[midnight heron]

new meta

[sharp wing]

[smoky elk]

[sharp wing]

replace sara with taihoe

or formie

[split marten]

@smoky elk
@coral wren
I am the torpedo of my submarine.
Age is just a number and loli is my blood.
I have oathed over a thousand Albacores.
Unknown to prison, nor known to FBI.
Have avoided jail to lewd many submarines.
Yet those hands will never satisfy her.
So as I pray, UNLIMITED ALBACORE WORKS!

[smoky elk]

"Destroyer" evolved from "torpedo destroyer" , a frigate-size botes armed to the brim with torpedos before ww1

[coral wren]

[sharp wing]

lolicons attacc

[smoky elk]

back then torp-dd was considered very cheap , for its raw torp dmg against capital ships

[split marten]

If you ever played civ 5

[smoky elk]

but torp-dd gradually grew in size and complex

[split marten]

You know how op torpedoes are in naval operations

[smoky elk]

[sharp wing]

torpedoes are deadliest antiship weapons of the time

[split marten]

And then surface to surface missiles were invented

[sharp wing]

Actually

missiles were used even in naval way before

[coral wren]

theres even surface to sub missiles too

[split marten]

[smoky elk]

He293,

the ww2 german anti-ship missile

[split marten]

Technology didn’t really allow it to be practical until after ww2 though I think @sharp wing

Rocketry science hadn’t advanced to the point of making it practical by ww2

[smoky elk]

and FritzX , german radio-guided bomb , than sunk Roma and dmged in 1943

[sharp wing]

Well, HMS Erebus was rocket vessel in 1807

[split marten]

Primitive rockets tho

[sharp wing]

still rockets

and they worked

[smoky elk]

China and Korea had "rockets" (gun-powder propelled explosive arrows) back in 5-11th century

[split marten]

Did they actually make a noticeable impact then?

Hwacha omegalul

Rocket propelled arrow launcher used in the medieval times

[elder crane]

well funnily enough primitive rockets for their era are more usable for their time period

less competition

[split marten]

Explosions had a demoralizing effect

[elder crane]

like, what're you going to use otherwise, a ballista/catapult?

[split marten]

Just chuck cannon balls

Through cannons or something

[sharp wing]

Griffons w/ bombs

[elder crane]

rockets predate cannons

[split marten]

Or do as Mongols do

[elder crane]

and very much predate usable cannons (for field warfare)

[split marten]

Lob diseased corpses via catapults into the walls of your enemies’ cities

[smoky elk]

Hood had AA rocket launcher installed too

[split marten]

And spread the bubonic plague as such

Biological warfare before mustard gas

[elder crane]

and ofc katyusha and Calliope

[smoky elk]

^ wiped out most of Native Americans

[split marten]

Ye

Disease laden blankets

With smallpox

Purposely traded to native Americans

Actually fucking disgusting practice

[smoky elk]

katyusha, calliope, and nebelwerfer

[split marten]

But euros did it

[elder crane]

https://www.history.com/news/colonists-native-americans-smallpox-blankets
apparently mostly myth?

[split marten]

Opium could be considered chemical warfare in a way

Cy@ Qing, with regards from the British Empire

[elder crane]

I remember something relatively reliable saying it was a myth too
would need to go digging again

Tell Trump to look at that for how to actually solve a trade deficit

[smoky elk]

even if it's true, it would be more like native accidentally acquired or took blanket from small-poxed person

[elder crane]

just be like a few hundred years ahead in warfare tech

and casually trample towards their capital with a small expeditionary force

[smoky elk]

that's likely what later generations of colonists stumped upon the nearly emptied native-civilization cities

[elder crane]

yeah the spread ofc happened
there's just no evidence that it was done deliberately except a few isolated rare cases of dubious effectiveness

[still minnow]

it doesn't really make sense for it to be deliberate anyway, since most people witth smallpox didn't display any symptoms due to being immune

and I doubt medicine was advanced enough back then to understand carriers

[elder crane]

well the fact that it was attempted means it should have been the case

[smoky elk]

it would take time for a Natives' body to developed an immune to never-encountered disease , but by the time the immune had developed, most of the population had been wiped

[elder crane]

just only a few cases of deliberate attempts are known, only on a small scale, and of little known impact

[still minnow]

the native immune systems were just too weak to handle plagues I think

since they never had plagues

[real notch]

I MAKE MY ENTRANCE

[elder crane]

it's basically like the Black Plague X however many diseases were introduced

[real notch]

okay now i leave

[torpid shuttle]

Wow, I expected PvP when i came in

[real notch]

[elder crane]

Unless you have Formi testing results to share there's not much to talk about about PvP

[midnight heron]

pvp with words

[elder crane]

stale meta and all

[smoky elk]

usually the pvp talk spiked during the encounter-reset every few hrs, then faded between

[elder crane]

I'm trying out meme Namark right now cause I don't have Cent/Formi lv120

it... actually seems surprisingly okay, but that's likely just Namagi at work

mk6 Nagato+HFCRtwin381 Amagi to match the timings

the problem is that Namagi means any somewhat subpar team gets rolled anyways so it's hard to see if there's an effect

[smoky elk]

what's your Namagi carrier?

[elder crane]

I'm trying out Ark right now for the lulz
normally Hiryuu ofc

What I'm actually interested in testing is Formi, and to some degree Cent

[smoky elk]

if to use Formi with Namagi, ur bb-guns launch should be around 21 secs cd

[elder crane]

Yes, I know
I have the setup above
Double Cuda+Fulmar Ark barely makes it in time for her slow, which is kinda sad
it's why I think Ark is almost certainly just meme

[smoky elk]

or rather Formi+Monarch

[elder crane]

gah I can't wait til we have beacon

[shy hazel]

[split marten]

well

at least the Mongols lobbed dead plague victims into the walls of european cities on purpose

[elder crane]

Yep, Hiryuu absolutely wrecks you if you use Nagato/Amagi/Ark
I assume Cent gets wrecked as equally, your dmg is not the issue
Formi might have a better time, idk, probably not I would assume

[vague token]

formidable can be used to tank amagi with personal reduction and heavy though

[sharp wing]

Just use Taihoe

[elder crane]

Issue isn't that
I had near full-HP mains that just get wiped by Hiryuu

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

that shouldnt happen if you have amagi + someone up

minus really bad no evade rng

although i guess ijn has bad aa

[coral wren]

It's painful to see when taihou torps middle slot to death and then another ruuseis are following there, wasting their dmg into the void

[vague token]

and ive been using 300+ aa boats lately

[elder crane]

Hiryuu double strike when Vanguard isn't alive just takes 1/2 of full HP off of your main fleet

[still minnow]

I'm surprised ark doesn't do bonus damage to destroyers lmao

[elder crane]

Jun seems pretty necessary, maybe I'll try her over Aurora, but not sure if your VG wipe potential is good enough at that point

[sharp wing]

should do less

[elder crane]

and if it isn't why would you run it over Hiryuu with Namagi

The "yeet the vanguard" part works properly at least

even just Ark completely murders vanguards
20 s though is a tad late to do so, but that part really isn't the issue

Jint/Aurora though just has no real followup since lead Jint doesn't make it to next torps and Aurora is Aurora

it's just super frustrating to win early game by a lot but just not quite enough cause lol Hiryuu
I suppose that's why Hiryuu is there
Actually, now that I think about it, this feels like Nakaga

[vague token]

i still have more problems with amagi/nagato than hiryuu xD

cause she's just cleaning up

[coral wren]

who is getting mpvs more often, hiryuu or amagi

[vague token]

i mean when im attacking xD

[elder crane]

I'm not sure I'd call "kill any nonHiryuu main fleet at <1/4 total HP if not yet proced" "cleaning up" as much as being a super annoying backstop

Hiryuu MVP always when it comes down to the wire
Amagi otherwise, unless barrage RNG strongly favors Nagato

[vague token]

like, hiryuu is just executing people who are already near dead usually for me

[elder crane]

Even if both don't barrage though, as long as final counter doesn't proc you almost never see Hiryuu MVP

[vague token]

eg got big sevened twice

or my amagi got rng'd and lost the amagi vs amagi fight

because not meta xD

the struggle

[elder crane]

If the opponent doesn't run Hiryuu themselves, you need a very large advantage going into final stages to win
Or, they need a very large advantage for your Hiryuu team to lose to a non-Hiryuu

[vague token]

i can probably win as long as i dont get big sevened more than once, and specifically as long as vanguard isnt instant killed by it

[elder crane]

And if you proc hiryuu early, she does more than other CVs, or at least comparable

[vague token]

wish we had an armor plating aux so i could have a heavy CA tank big seven

and not evaporate

[elder crane]

Ups armor class by 1, maybe extra HP too
drops speed/eva by some amount, maybe reload too
Sounds like it could be interesting

[sharp wing]

except dropping eva = ded

• heavy armor = evaporated by torps

[vague token]

i mean, not everyone has torp squad

[elder crane]

You could run it on main fleet too, maybe?

[vague token]

just toss in a start smoke

[elder crane]

more like dropping speed = dead as well

[sharp wing]

i'm not talking torp squads

[elder crane]

catch all the BB shells/bombs

[sharp wing]

regular nanoda and company

and bombs as well more damage

[vague token]

i mean i dont mind trading one rng for another rng defense

that's the point

take risk from different source to mitigate separate one

[coral wren]

hooray rushing

[sharp wing]

I mean, dropping eva and speed u make it less rng not in yr favor

lol

[vague token]

yeah, but then you can shrug off big seven and amagi barrage more easily

[sharp wing]

u shrug big seven by eva

[vague token]

it's a valid trade, even if not optimal

[sharp wing]

more

[vague token]

lol no

if i toss rudder/beaver on a non-sanrui

you gonna die to big seven still

50% or more in center easy

[sharp wing]

anything will

light heavy

[vague token]

na, heavy takes way less when you look at flag slot

[sharp wing]

but my vg often evades half shots

[vague token]

also an option for main fleets

convert anyone to armored carrier xD

tank all the amagi barrage

actually is there even any gear that has a minus stat?

i dunno if they have that tech

xD

[sharp wing]

that's not a problem

[vague token]

i guess there are plenty of skills with minus stats

[elder crane]

I don't see why a -stat is hard to implement unless they have weird checks in code

[sharp wing]

the problem is that thing is hilarious

[elder crane]

and yes you can just tack on it as a skill

[vague token]

i guess it's more of precedent

there are no trade off gears

in the game atm

[sharp wing]

or ever

[vague token]

eg + one - another

[elder crane]

oh wow I actually won one with Namark Jun/Jint/Ykkz
It does feel a bit better than Aurora, perhaps surprisingly, cause you VG doesn't evaporate that fast and you get some healing off lead Jun
still 1/3 though, without Aurora, Ykkz is a little bitch, your VG still isn't exactly tanky, and Hiryuu still often has the final say

[vague token]

xD

[elder crane]

also when you land 5 torps on Amagi... for *miss*X4

[vague token]

i love flat modifiers

FUN

still 8/15 sap gun

didnt get any all weekend

_>

[elder crane]

13/15 on second

[vague token]

shareeee

xD

[elder crane]

Okay, so Namagi+CV with slow successfully creates a team that always wipes VGs by 25 s
and then proceeds to lose cause lolHiryuu

[vague token]

cant wait for retro it'll only get worse!

xD

[elder crane]

I wonder if it actually does better once teams diversify out to nonHiryuu
cause a guaranteed VG wipe by 25 s should be very powerful, I think it's just Hiryuu played into her strength of vs a fast team

usually ends up 5 v 3, everyone full HP

[vague token]

even when i win vg push at 25 with double cv

i usually just eat big seven to the face

when vg pushes up

so no shield

=/

[elder crane]

who I'm facing btw
(earlier guy ran Jun/Ykkz/Bel, I didn't manage to exit in time)

[split marten]

I am the bone of my Exercises.
Sandbagging is my body and rushing is my blood.
I have reset over a thousand times.
Unknown to PvE, nor known to defeat.
Have stood there for hours waiting for points to rise.
Yet those hands will never reach rank 1.
So as I pray, UNLIMITED EXERCISE WORKS!

[vague token]

oh it's keripo

[elder crane]

yep

so I know it should be a good team

[vague token]

cant believe his sanrui isnt 120

xD

[elder crane]

ikr

not even dev30 either

[vague token]

to be fair she doesnt do more damage than belfast

so it's w/e

[elder crane]

and it's still wiping the floor with my team

[vague token]

wait what is your team

[elder crane]

meme team is meme

[vague token]

oh that

right

thaaaaat

xD

[elder crane]

mk6 on Nagato
Double Cuda+Fulmar on Ark
rest pretty standard stuff

[vague token]

is double cuda for timing

[elder crane]

yep
she barely makes it
can't even trip381 Nagato

[vague token]

xD

beacon when

also gimme my ap dive bomber

X_x

[elder crane]

Formi/Cent should represent more damage, but I don't think that's the issue
the issue is basically Hiryuu wiping what remains of your team after Namagis trade out (and yours wins ofc due to VG support and offense advantage)
you'll have your main at 1/2 HP and she'll still wipe, though usually it's more like 1/3 HP or so
ofc Formi will help with that, but I don't think enough that Namayuu isn't just better - right now team winrate is like 25% at best, I don't see Form pushing that to 80+%

[vague token]

personally i dont think form fits with centaur but that's just me xD

but i dont have either at 120 so

form is on oil comm duty X_x

[elder crane]

Hmm, on that note I might eventually try Form/Cent/Hiryuu
Hiryuu stall is best counter to Hiryuu stall, right?

[hot creek]

Already tried that, its not that great.

[elder crane]

Yeah with Form and Cent around seems silly to not run a BB

[vague token]

feels like you can get rng'd by ykk anyways cause it's all hit damage

and dunno if you run aurora with that

[elder crane]

Sirius, and if you're desperate, Aurora should fix that

[vague token]

cause you can lose her really fast

sirius would be safer

xD

[elder crane]

Aurora mid makes it to 20s without issue usually, on offense
unless it's like Nakaga or something but then you win cause it's Nakaga

I give up for now, will probs revisit once I'm near max on Cent

[smoky elk]

sometime, the hardest opponent, is the one with same meta as yours

[vague token]

hardest comp for me is torp xD

cause im dot comp ;)

[shell heron]

I saw keripo's team the other day

lost the namaryuu coinflip on the barrages and had to leave

had 6 minutes left for 4 matches

[vague token]

hmm what if i went all in on dot comp and used fireworks on amagi

[vague token]

oh i just noticed you can assign cats on hard mode using another button

xD

[shell heron]

all that cat exp you could have earned

[ionic magnet]

lol i think i wasted all those cat exp also

[vague token]

but at least im getting kgv xp

[still minnow]

someone said a while ago he struggles with torpedo comps

well apparently I struggle with enterprise comps lol

literally just put an enterprise into the comp and I instantly struggle with it...

[shy hazel]

+2 alrdy

edwardzo in my list

[still minnow]

I've got 3 CVs as my backline with a tanky frontline

[shy hazel]

ya i saw u

[still minnow]

so enterprise's skill proc lines up with the CV launches

reee

[shy hazel]

thsen i fought u

then i rekt u

i saw i fought i rekt

👀

i didnt know u were

in avrora

[still minnow]

I'm not

I'm on washington

[shy hazel]

wth

i fought a flypaste

person

lol

[still minnow]

what team comp was it

[shy hazel]

nagato foxes

[still minnow]

nah

I literally don't have any of those

[shy hazel]

wish we can see pvp history

[still minnow]

also my ign is meowskersaures

not flypaste XD

[shy hazel]

but devs are big potato

[still minnow]

pvp isnt real gamemode

[shy hazel]

it was

[still minnow]

putting effort into deving it is fake news

[shy hazel]

until they made it for dummies

[vague token]

i doubt pvp was ever a real game mode

it's just a way to force you to log in for bulins

since you cap out at 10

they could have made it pve and it would function the same

[split marten]

Washington master race

[ionic magnet]

cheater race

[split marten]

Tfw enemy makes meta ass team

And forgets to give them equipment

So their meta team has literally no power

[smoky elk]

i think it's intentionnal

[split marten]

Could be

Make sandbagging easier

They’re probably farming right now

Took off good equips for farm fleet

Gonna re equip before going to bed

[smoky elk]

remember, defender fleet player ain't there to watch your victory or defeat (unless screenshots)

[split marten]

Everyone sandbags me

I already know it LOL

I don’t have a defense fleet

I just have boats

You’re honestly lucky as hell if you roll me

Because I depend on +20% attacker bonus to win matches

[smoky elk]

ur on Washi right?

[split marten]

Ye

[smoky elk]

i'm on Avr

[split marten]

Feelsbad you can’t farm points off of me

[shy hazel]

👀

people still use whatsapp in 2019

[zenith tundra]

i do with parents and some irl friends

[midnight heron]

https://i.redd.it/f8pqqpqlqgo31.jpg when curse becomes true

[shy hazel]

wait really

[smoky elk]

back in her police day (OC.)

[shy hazel]

is that real

bitch

[stark raft]

yeah it is

pay up for baddest bitch bache

[shy hazel]

they really sold the bitch

[stark raft]

[shy hazel]

[smoky elk]

[shy hazel]

strapped with cash

[trim horizon]

[shy hazel]

riding to the next old bald man for shizzles

[smoky elk]

biker gang is almost complete

need 1 more biker-skin for backline

[shy hazel]

nah need one in a pimp car

so mad max is complete

[trim horizon]

Why's she getting a Yamaha colla skin, and not Saint

[shell heron]

[midnight heron]

just realised tho

her bike license plate says bitch

dats wat she is

[ionic magnet]

ugly skin

[split marten]

Fun note: bitch means slut in Japanese

[midnight heron]

[zenith tundra]

yukikaze added to perma in jp. it was about time

also 2nd wishing well

[trim horizon]

https://twitter.com/Ratto7R/status/1176384161600270336

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【大陸版アズレン 公式告知情報】

大陸版アズレンにて潜水艦シュルクーフのバイク衣装のイラストが公開されました。

#アズールレーン
#碧蓝航线

Twitter

Surcouf ?

[zenith tundra]

[silver root]

she is missing like, 70% of her boobs

[zenith tundra]

like chest size is consistent in al

[still minnow]

there is no way that is surcouf

[smoky elk]

is that pug or bulldog?

[still minnow]

pug

bulldogs don't have a face that looks like it was hit by a frying pan

and are also typically very large

[smoky elk]

is that superman logo on pug cloth?

[vague token]

i cant even tell that is surcouf

[shy hazel]

from thot to nerd

👀

[still minnow]

more like hipster

[empty grove]

NGL

Worst skin in the game imo

[still minnow]

there are a lot of contenders for that for me but this one is near the top of the list

[empty grove]

For me mainly, it's cause I actually like Surcouf

[smoky elk]

it's as if she intentionally wear nerdy-citygirl in disguise from someone

[empty grove]

Which kinda conflicts with her personality no?

[vague token]

i wouldnt mind but it looks bad

[empty grove]

Since she's carefree & embraces her body

[midnight heron]

disguise from all the horny shikikans

[empty grove]

I guess pre-established personality traits mean nothing tho

Sasuga AL

[smoky elk]

will see her lines in that skin, hope shedding some light

[still minnow]

IMO if you embrace your body then you don't feel the need to constantly show it off

[trim horizon]

[still minnow]

so I don't think a modest skin is out of character for that reason

[empty grove]

You also don't feel the need to cover yourself

[still minnow]

that being said, I still hate it

[empty grove]

As Mela said tho, lines should shed light

[smoky elk]

sometime ppl wear intentionally unattractive cloths to minimize/avoid attention

[empty grove]

So it aint worth an argument

[still minnow]

it's just a long sleeve shirt and a skirt, it's not like she's trying to hide every inch of skin

[empty grove]

When you factor the mask tho

It gives that impression

& the shocked expression like she got caught out

[still minnow]

I'm not sure about japan but I know chinese wear surgical masks constantly because their cities are so full of smog that not doing so is toxic

it also helps to spoof the facial recognition cameras that are plastered across every corner

[smoky elk]

that can be an interesting trivial matter, will see

[empty grove]

Well, it's line dependent now

[still minnow]

that being said, it makes absolutely no sense that a french girl would wear it

I agree that her expressions of seeming "caught out" are extremely out of character

[smoky elk]

such contrast of base/skin looks gonna be an interesting take to broaden perceptions of character

[still minnow]

yeah it's a good opportunity for character development which could be nice to see

similar to helena's skins

I wish they did it more often

[smoky elk]

similar to personal on-duty / off-duty lifestyle

[still minnow]

instead of the additional skins just compounding more on whatever the girl's most defining meme trait is

[empty grove]

Unless they fuck it up & create a conflict with already existing traits

[still minnow]

I can't really think of how they're going to explain this skin

so I guess faith is all that I can have lol

[empty grove]

I was talking to a Chinese friend earlier about it & apparently her outfit is similar to fashion trends in China

[smoky elk]

[still minnow]

holy shit I might've placed her correctly XD

[smoky elk]

that would make more sense when the skin 's out

some ppl gonna get the skin for general curiosity

[still minnow]

kurumi who are your top 3 waifus

[empty grove]

Taihou
Akagi
Cleveland

I like Yandere

[smoky elk]

but Cleveland is not yan

[still minnow]

I do as well lol

mine are honolulu, taiho, uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[empty grove]

Cleveland is cute tho

[still minnow]

can't decide between graf zeppelin and yamashiro

I was wondering what kind of person likes surcouf enough to be disgruntled by her getting a bad skin while also having a taiho avatar

[empty grove]

[smoky elk]

mine is Formi, Zara, and , Enty

[still minnow]

those two girls are like total opposites

[empty grove]

I like a lot of characters

A few outline tho

[still minnow]

btw is there canon for how bulins work

I can't help but notice that they have a tentacle, and they actively want to be used for limit breaking

so that leads me to a certain conclusion

[empty grove]

I don't think so

You could try asking in #al-lore tho, if it's even an established mechanism

[vague token]

i thought they ate them

pudding

jk

[smoky elk]

pre-anime assumption , bulin and purin kinda..represent irl-shipyard-cranes

[still minnow]

what's your post-anime assumption?

do we know if the anime is going to explain game mechanics or is it in a parrallel universe?

where all the game mechanicy things are conveniently missing

[vague token]

game mechanics dont apply to in game lore anyways

see Juneau and Lusty during events

[still minnow]

what do you mean

[vague token]

as in skills and ship stats dont mean anything for even the game story

illustrious is destroyer of italian navy, but in game performance she shield bot

[still minnow]

what's incongruent about lusty and juneau during events

[vague token]

juneau cripples purifier in a cutscene

[trim horizon]

[vague token]

when pushed into a corner and atlanta was in trouble

[empty grove]

Truly jesus

[vague token]

juneau has 0 damage potential in gameplay

[still minnow]

they could have just been overlevelled lmao

[empty grove]

Juneau had enough of dying & harnessed her power

[trim horizon]

she's not using even 25% of her overall power, because she may harm other ships near her

[vague token]

xD

[still minnow]

she only acts frightened to hide her power level?

[midnight heron]

imagine she use 100% power and heal other ships 100% hp when sunk

[empty grove]

She doesn't actually die either, she goes into incorporeal form & reappears stronger

[vague token]

owo, got someone who rushed 1st

oh still only +1

=/

[smoky elk]

well she's haunted by "the brothers" until u oath her, ain't she?

[still minnow]

to be fair da boyz are pretty spooky

[smoky elk]

well, their deaths caused new law to be passed to prevent total lost of family members in service

"Saving Private Ryan" is based on that issue

do ppl usually add pearl-tears to Juneau?

[vague token]

when i use a CA, yes

otherwise na

[still minnow]

should I put pearl tears on a ship

[smoky elk]

meanwhile, the IJN metagirls are used for daily missions

pearl-tears on expected first or last VG girl to die?

[vague token]

usually 2nd

[smoky elk]

so. the top/right-most VG slot girl ?

[vague token]

eg juneau dies first, then pearl ship, then you have ykk nice and healthy

[blazing scroll]

I'm running SanRui, Juneau, Ykk rn with pearl on Juneau

[vague token]

yeah that's normal

CA lead so pearl has to go on juneau

[trim horizon]

pearl on Nagato is meta

[blazing scroll]

Pretty much

[smoky elk]

those 3 lineup, i've encountered few times (i'm in Avr)

[blazing scroll]

I'm trying to figure out what vg to use for my USS memefleet

[smoky elk]

i'm using USN/RN mix

[vague token]

im thinking about what to use for 3 eagle frontline if i swap formidable in over sara

probably birmingham/baltimore/juneau

birmingham can stall a bit with 5 second invuln

[smoky elk]

or baltimore/sandy/sirius

[still minnow]

Here are my girls that I am willing to use/level up to use for pvp

[vague token]

sandy doesnt contribute anything

[blazing scroll]

Is the backline Essex, Enty, Sara atm?

[vague token]

she's just a gun dps

[smoky elk]

sandy just for AA eyesore

[still minnow]

my current team is taiho/lusty/unicorn belfast/aurora/cygnet

is there any way for me to improve this team using what I have there

[blazing scroll]

Lvl up formidable

[smoky elk]

i have 2 lineup atm (def fleet)

[blazing scroll]

Swap out uni for her

[still minnow]

no good changes for vanguard?

[blazing scroll]

3cvs and still using sandy?

@still minnow not really with the ships I see

[smoky elk]

use Sandy to help deter enemy fighters

[still minnow]

I'm currently grinding for honolulu and niizuki, would either of those have a place

[trim horizon]

[blazing scroll]

Your cvs send out counter fighters too

[smoky elk]

counter fighters alone srsly not enough

[blazing scroll]

And I would swap wichita with Helena or something

Since she is a glass canon

[smoky elk]

wichita more effective than helena from my experience, that's why she's at center

[blazing scroll]

She's still really vulnerable

[smoky elk]

that's the point

[blazing scroll]

Her being in the center doesn't change that

My Juneau dies first and she is in the middle too

[smoky elk]

wichita supplement with london for double +Fp , and i have pearls-tear on wichita for that....expect her to die fast too

[trim horizon]

middle in PvP doesn't matter really that much

[blazing scroll]

Especially when a bb shell hits

I would roll with something like balti/sirius, helena, juneau

[smoky elk]

that's theorical, my experience from using her is fine,, the heavy firepower and double dmg worth trade for fragility

[still minnow]

do I want fighters or bombers on formidable?

[blazing scroll]

As soon as she's properly lvled you can use bombers

[still minnow]

I have a +10 stuka on her

[blazing scroll]

Otherwise I would recommend using a fighter

[smoky elk]

i use Jolly Roger

on Formi

[still minnow]

I don't know what that is lul

does formidable work well with 2 BBs that have their fire synced up

so that she immobilizes for the BB salvos to hit the vg

[blazing scroll]

Ofc

[zenith tundra]

don't sync both bb tho

u don't want both to attack at the same time

[still minnow]

omg the added dps from even just the lvl 80 formidable is amazing over unicron

[zenith tundra]

unicorn is not a good dps ship

[blazing scroll]

Unicorn is a support cvl

[still minnow]

I understand that but I didn't expect the switch to drop the enemy's vanguard lifetimes from 30s of seconds to 10s of seconds

[blazing scroll]

Even shouhou deals more dmg

[zenith tundra]

10 sec?

[still minnow]

also I have parrallell torp bombers on all 3 of the CVs and they're killing the enemy backlines before the vanguards

which is the most hilarious thing I've ever seen

[smoky elk]

u have unicorn for her heal or/and reload boost?

[still minnow]

well I had her because I didn't have anyone better to use

[zenith tundra]

ur dock must really suck

[still minnow]

waifus only

[zenith tundra]

there are t0 waifus too

[still minnow]

depends on your taste in waifus

scroll up my dock is up there somewhere

[smoky elk]

capability and availability of shipgirls on each players varies , pls respect that

[still minnow]

no mela everyone knows you need to pick from the 11 meta pvp ships

and if you don't have them or aren't willing to use them then you can gtfo

/s

[zenith tundra]

i mean any cv is literally better then unicorn in pvp pretty much. vg heal and buff are almost useless

[smoky elk]

the 11 metas are reference to start with, doesn't always need to be absolute

[still minnow]

well when they're so blindly stronger than everytihng else...

btw should I be using pearls tears on my vg

[zenith tundra]

yes

[smoky elk]

if Fly has any other Cv choice left , then sure

[still minnow]

on belfap?

[zenith tundra]

depends on vg comp. generally the one that tanks unless is juneau in which case the 2nd to die

[still minnow]

rn I've got all 3 vg ships with toolkit + torpedo bulge

since the main cause of damage while lusty's shields are down is torpedoes

[smoky elk]

do u have any gold aux with +eva?

[still minnow]

I do not

my first gold rudder is at 24/25 lol

[smoky elk]

i see,

do u have number of fire-extinguisher?

[still minnow]

I have a single one and I'm using it for farming 10-2

[zenith tundra]

i would switch 2 toolboxes to boilers and last one with pearl

buldge is mostly worth using on bottom vg

[still minnow]

I accidentally recycled all my extinguishers last week like a fucking autist

[smoky elk]

rip

then boilers will suffice

[still minnow]

are extinguishers preferred over boilers

[zenith tundra]

u don't really need fe if ur vg dodges bb shoots

[still minnow]

I've got double gold steam catapult on all 3 of my cvs

is there something else that I should be using instead

[zenith tundra]

not for 3 cv

they put enough planes that aa doesn't matter

[still minnow]

hahaha

how do I deal with enty btw

my vg is low damage so they can't kill her itself

and her lucky e typically syncs up with the cv launches

so I just have this enterprise that hard walls me in matchups that I should be able to easily win if it was literally any other ship

[zenith tundra]

i would suggest raising hiryuu. she can final counter past enty invul

[smoky elk]

or let your vg survive to harass Enty while she's on cd

[zenith tundra]

that if enty doesn't burst them down

or u have yukikaze

[still minnow]

what if I put

gold rudder on cygnet

XD

it really sucks that eva is diminishing returns

[zenith tundra]

on dd u have the least effect from eva aux

if u have trouble with enty try sandy. her aa stat should be enough to survive multiple airstrikes

[still minnow]

okay so the solution is to use specific ships

not something that I can really generally build around

[smoky elk]

yes

[zenith tundra]

a bb to snipe enty is the best way

like hood

[still minnow]

rip I dont have a good bb

[zenith tundra]

or monarch

[still minnow]

im waiting for an event to get one

[zenith tundra]

hood is from heavy pool and monarch is reseaech

[still minnow]

I only use waifus

[zenith tundra]

both aren't event locked

[still minnow]

neither of them pass waifu test

[smoky elk]

current pre-retrofit warspite, the highest enemy 120 warspite to snipe-skill on my 120 Saratoga is around 2000 (exclude normal firing)

[still minnow]

oh I thot warspite wasnt very good

is yamashiro enough

[zenith tundra]

u need a barrage bb

somethingg that will always aim at the opposite side backlines

[still minnow]

erebus 👀

[smoky elk]

too fragile sadly

[zenith tundra]

[still minnow]

jk

[smoky elk]

from the roster u shown, there seems not much choice there

[still minnow]

dunkek, north carolina, dork, hiei are battleships on my to-acquire list

[zenith tundra]

all i can say is have fun playing pvp then

[still minnow]

yeah thanks very helpful

[zenith tundra]

if u refuse all suggestions there is nothing i can do

[smoky elk]

it's ok to struggle or lose, because player who own defense fleet ain't there to watch u win or lose....to congratulate or mock you...........so just enjoy and improve

[still minnow]

I like how I made a joke about how ppl in this channel expect you to use meta ships only

and then that exact kind of person shows up immediately after

it's like I spoke it to life

but yeah I'm not really concerned about it bc I have no lillusions about trying to be first or whatever

I just find it really obnoxious

[zenith tundra]

u can use whatever but is not like normal ppl have tried every ship in pvp outside of meta ships just for the memes

[still minnow]

when just trying to understand the game better is constantly interrupted by just being told to use meta ships instead

[zenith tundra]

especially since lvl 120 is not easy to get to

[smoky elk]

u can develop ur own. to follow ,defy, or branching meta...

[shy hazel]

hey

i got my +2

early again

[smoky elk]

[zenith tundra]

still trying in pvp?

[shy hazel]

im working rn

u know im allowed to phone while working

just casualing pvp

and getting my rightful place every season

[smoky elk]

[shy hazel]

zack

when u left here since 6 months ago

ive always been in top 10

this season is my 14th consecutive iirc

[zenith tundra]

good for u

[ionic magnet]

you missed one season so its not consecutive

[shy hazel]

casual

hooloo i was in japan that time

never competed

[ionic magnet]

no excuses

[shy hazel]

i was still top 11 that time

blame plane

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

if we didnt have a stopover

id be a goner

8 hrs flight

[zenith tundra]

trying not to lose attempts is enough of a challenge for mr considering how much i play al

[ionic magnet]

i lost another 3 charges today

[shy hazel]

good

[zenith tundra]

i lost at least 5 this season

[ionic magnet]

well i get lazy when i miss 1 so

[shy hazel]

better

i never lose charges anymore

nor do i lose

maybe ill get losses with hiryuu kai

lets see

[zenith tundra]

i lost attempts 2nd reset and then sanbagged to be ahead of current 1st and then lost attempts again

[blazing scroll]

Sounds a lot like me

But I've fallen to the point that I'm around top 1k

[shy hazel]

before i sleep i double check phone

use all charges

[blazing scroll]

I check phone and fall asleep after first or second match

[zenith tundra]

i lose them because i play other stuff or get stuck at work doing stuff

[blazing scroll]

And uni project takes time too

[shy hazel]

i check and use charges

after i read the newspaper

at work

thats 10am jst

[zenith tundra]

i was too busy to even think about al

how are en resets for jp?

[ionic magnet]

@still minnow yes when ppl come here asking questions we expect them to care about winning so we recommend meta ships. you can still use some waifu ships to some extent but full waifu fleet is a no no. now if you don't really care about winning then ppl will just say use anything you want.

[shy hazel]

its the time in the place i work in

or i could say

3am

[zenith tundra]

u work by jp time outside of jp. that sounds dumb

[shy hazel]

ya

tis fun tho

👀

how is jp pvp anyways

[zenith tundra]

i don't ever recall working at 3am to be fun

[shy hazel]

im planning to move away soon

but im vip at work so

[zenith tundra]

way too many trash def fleets which turns me down even more

[still minnow]

@ionic magnet the way I see it is that there is a tier list, if I wanted to build based on a tierlist then I would just use the tierlist instead of talking to ppl about teambuilding

[shy hazel]

whats the fight anyways

pvp is stupid game mode

just use the most meta u can

then laze

[ionic magnet]

the way i see it you're just salty that your waifus are sht

[still minnow]

yes I am mildly pissed off that the game is not even slightly balanced

[ionic magnet]

yes its terrible

[shy hazel]

thats the point of this channels existence

convince people to meta so pvp be a lil bit enjoyable

and to piss people

[cerulean estuary]

imagine if all of avrora players are pro sandbaggers like kamita,famine,novae

[zenith tundra]

it wouldn't be a pvp channel if ppl here would suggest erebus terror arbe as a comp u know. at that point is just giving bad advices

[still minnow]

which is why I make sure to word things in a specific way

I don't say "how can I improve this team"

I post a picture of my dock

and say "with these specific ships listed here how can I improve my team"

and people still tell me to use juneau and yukikaze anyway

[ionic magnet]

i see. i prolly missed that mb

[midnight heron]

dats just ppl being dumb lul

[still minnow]

which is why I get annoyed and then insult them

[cerulean estuary]

just put juneau and your good to go

[still minnow]

EN can't read confirmed

[midnight heron]

its 1 thing if they missed it but if u made it very clear then

[zenith tundra]

juneau and yukikaze are the best vg ships for pvp. i see nothing wrong with ppl suggesting that. then again if all u want is to meme with waifu team have fun playng the game and use what u want

[coral wren]

use juneau and yukikaze anyway

[ionic magnet]

you can still prolly make it to top 1k or so with that fleet

beat them with lvl advantage

[still minnow]

does top 1k get you the 100 merit per battle

[smoky elk]

point was...ppl on that time still talked about meta , without looking through on what Flypaste actually had /had not, who posted roster

[midnight heron]

its not feasible to even get 100 per battle

[ionic magnet]

100 merits per battle is top10 so no

[shy hazel]

hms has nothing limited 👀

[still minnow]

yikes

[shy hazel]

just go there

[still minnow]

is there a way to get 90 or is it 80 -> 100?

[ionic magnet]

you end up with 100k+ merits anyway if you do pvp regularly

[midnight heron]

every time u get 100 pt in a battle the less likely u r to even get back to top 10 for more 100 pt

stupid system but dats how it works

[shy hazel]

theres no 90

👀

wait

ya there isnt

[ionic magnet]

90 is top 1k

[shy hazel]

fwait

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

i dont even know

i dont read i just fight

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

more like

[midnight heron]

||fite me|| ||jk||

[still minnow]

well my goal for pvp is to optimize the merit gain as best as I can without having to raise special ships

[shy hazel]

i dont care about merits anymore

[still minnow]

so, I guess that means my goal is top 1000 with waifu fleet to meet my self-defined criteria

[ionic magnet]

well if your goal is merits then you need to sandbag properly

[shy hazel]

tp1k is ez np

[still minnow]

I don't know what sandbagging is lmao

[shy hazel]

u in wash anyways

dont think u even need meta fleet

unless u wanna t10

[ionic magnet]

someone explain sandbagging

[shy hazel]

nein

i never finish that guide

[zenith tundra]

just don't lose and don't waste attempts

[ionic magnet]

[coral wren]

I miss first months of en's pvp where is my variety at

[zenith tundra]

also always attack opponent higher rank then u

[still minnow]

that's what I do, I never lose and I use all my attempts every time

[shy hazel]

theres alot of variety now

[still minnow]

and I'm only around rank 5000 rn

[shy hazel]

amagi nagato hiryuu

[midnight heron]

skin variety

[shy hazel]

name variety

[zenith tundra]

i'd take namaryuu every fight over every possible hms meme team imaginable

[still minnow]

does dunkek have the proper barrage for killing ntrprise

[ionic magnet]

use your charge only when someone on your list moves
always aim leftmost guy (or anyone above your rank) when you rush
dont miss charges

[shy hazel]

i dont think dunkek has the kit

to kill enty

[smoky elk]

if same level with enty, 50/50

[midnight heron]

if all 4 shells land on her maybe

[zenith tundra]

coin flip barrage that can be tanked by vg

[shy hazel]

assuming dunkek vs ent 1v1

[midnight heron]

1/6 ^ 4 chance good luck

[shy hazel]

enty would win with just one

[coral wren]

Her barrage is actually useful? That's a shocker

[shy hazel]

lucky e

[ionic magnet]

still got ptsd from lucky E

[still minnow]

dork?

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

see enty wiped hooloos team

[ionic magnet]

dork is fine yea

[shy hazel]

where is your hms meta now

[coral wren]

In a garbage can appaarently

[still minnow]

I have 3 cvs and since their launches sync up with ntrprise, most teams with ntrprise just wall me

and it's fokkin obnoxious

[midnight heron]

always nice to see enty lucky e twice to tank final counter and then win next launch

[still minnow]

since everyone and their mom has ntrprise