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Gonna start running in circles
Not like baguette was any better
and not like i'm gonna farm till like 80k
qeq
Hope for lucky drops 

is that even mathematically possible?
gotta put those rudders to use
xD


maybe with 6
1:1 on ur mob fleet and stack evasion on ur boss fleet that u wont use
nah
its like 2% for 1bp on sirens vs 6% for 1 or 2bp on boss rate
if the rate is the same as the french DD
so it is not
if it SAME as french
cause french was like 0.6% on sirens
and boss closer to 10%
still need few Ks mre event points anyway
i thought i got those numbers from some dude either here in pvp or up in #help
that it was 2%
either way i farmed my gun from sirens + single 2bp drop from SP boss
my calc was wrong then 
at some point ppl even considered boss farm almost more efficient
not time efficient maybe
but if u still need points there no point to run sirens
like non profit
hmm maybe i should redo the fleets to get nep xp
I posted new gun pic on Monday iirc and it only got changed
haven't seen it yesterday
CN wiki doesn't either
so
they probably dont care about monthly boats
we got like 3 BB Protector destroyers in a row
so
xD


this is like 1st semidecent monthly ship
but stats probably trash
and FP skill w/ 75% eff gun 200 IQ
atlanta kai when

I do 5 before sleep lately so...
even less bonuses
like 1-2 hrs after second reset
is that a jk?
nvm
60 fp

and fp skill

2k hp and 500 torp stat anyway
I already seen all eff and skills, just wanted 120 stats
I have ship in game
it's todays ship
cn wiki has nothing but base stats and other obvious things
en had no even base stats and skills

She actually might be really decent w/ that skill basically launching another torp at 10 sec
and decent hp
gun is whatever anyway
well, yeah
free torp
and not some garbo skill torps
actual gear
put her w/ some buffer like kagerou
lewdhound retro 
get some cheap decent torp vg

i mean, w/ that torp spam, she can even be clearing thing
guaranteed second torpedo wave at 10 sec
but for boss fights she won't be anything special
no reliable sustained skill after 20 secs
25% 
it's literally just torpedo smoke
same scaling
100% at the 10, basically you can ignore it
easier to treat it as a cheap ibuki preload
since she's blue instead of pr
xD
muh oil
well, dd and ca cost alone
that too
I mean, i like my furytako/kako kais w/ 9 oil tag at 100+

they chaintorp that mvp like candies
Just cause sheff'd yuki was roaching doesnt mean I was losing matches lol. If anything thats a good thing since the VG wont move up and eat BB aux while waiting for next airstrike.
well, tech wise sure
well, uss basically one of highest tech DD nations cause of sheer fletchers wall at tech 8 lol
kagerous are a tech lower
and then uss has another bensons wall at tech7
when u have too many resources 
Saggitary sure likes to talk a lot shit about comps he cant actually test himself.

Too much work for no profit
Again it's just another foxes anyway
with 818 + ryuu combo
kek
Again, you sure like talk shit about things you cant actually test. 
maybe i can do amagi/form/essex with triple eagle vanguard
hmm
balti/juneau and someone
benson 
lel
Remember, How to kill Portland
montpelier could work
helena
hmm
Toxic 
doesnt boost dots
oh god xD
i could chuck sandy kai for memes
but eh
essex wont have a problem with strike cvs so no need for aa
like if aa really used for anything aside air damage dred
80/40/20 for armor sounds good xD
I just realized we dun have german 88 gun

well, it was some ghetto sub gun in naval warfare anyway
what's better for offense, nagato amagi hyuuga kai or nagato akaga
i believe second one along on par with aurora+sendai
aurora sendai jintsuu kai?
nakaga is bad vs namaryuu. against everything else its fine though
i mean, i always reset vs hiryuu anyway, it's the most boring shit to play against these fleets
Well, all strategy behind Nakaga is fast win or fast reset, so if u fine
w/ few resets
yeah but vs namaryuu you'll be resetting a lot
oh and if you happen to find a 120 sodakshington, they might give you trouble too. The only person that actually has that though is Saggitary 
even lvling my wasd i only reset 2-3 times vs cancer, with maxed nakaga it's not as bad
any Namagi + X comp will be more reliable anyway, but take longer overall
to do same amount of fights
so it's up to you
I always prefer more safe approach anyway
is twin 127 better than 100mm on juneu?
100mm is either to give AA for defense against airstrike or give fast barrages. Juneau already has top tier AA and weak barrage.
So better go for higher raw damage of 127
so that's a yes
yes
Also 127 can refresh fires started by bigger guns, but that's almost irrelevant factor
the only better gun would be mle because it has 5 hits for refresh
juneau has 0 ability to do damage

Don't underestimate that siscon.
if her guard order had a higher activation rate
she'd be good
xD
she's literally just a stat stick ship
well, she has high ehp
Her retro doesn't even give her skill
all about statstick lol
the problem is her poor damage and CAs already have no bonus damage in pvp
gotta save that oil
high aa ca
she has what 135% eff and like 250 aa
lmao, i just saw LondonKai hits almost 300 aa
yeah and 115 efficiency isnt bad
for a ca
i think the only two higher ones are portland and baltimore
port and balti are both tied at 260
is the guide in pin good to follow?
ye
I mean, that's only EN relevant pvp thing
HSFCR > white shell on Nagato?
white shell generally only used on BB with crit skill
ofc
generally, in the mirror, the first to shoot wins since you'll kill earlier (and thus remove damage)
everything else is either double SG, rudder/sg or hsfcr/sg/rudder
white shell wont make you kill opposing nagato any faster really
cause you'll lose hit rate
maybe in a world where amagi didnt exist
you could do radar/shell
xD
I bet there ppl using double shells in pvp 
though i prefer hsfcr on amagi, more reliable
I've tested that on KGV before. Pretty funny when she does get hits.
question: is monarch used in pvp for the reload buff?
i see boilers alot on the list, is it actually good?
monarch used for her barrage
It's Hood 2.0
U need boilers to evade BB shelling and bombs somewhat
in 2CL 1 DD vg u need at least 2 boilers for comfortable play
in 3 cl 3 and so on
that's counting in Badge buff
Boilers are necessary to get enough speed. You want to be at a certain speed to avoid BB shelling.
double cata for hiryuu? i was told its hard to shot down plane in pvp but pin said double cata not viable
for Solo CVs oil tank
It's not against shot down, it's for crash damage
crash damage is based on % remaining hp
so more hp means u will have more % remaining with same damage taken from AA
Also usually 1 evade gear used on CV
so yr regular setup for solo cv will be rudder(beaver) + oil tank
what about cata oil tank?
beaver help plane survive?
well i only have 2 of those, and it's on saint L and nagato
yeah, like most of us, so we put beaver on ryuu, cause she suffer less from less eva boost

i have beaver and rudder on Nagato. if i gave beaver to ryuu, what on replace?
also she is usually last one standing, so she will buff vg till very end
nagato rudder + sg, or rudder + hsfcr, but i prefer nagato eva stacked and hsfcr on Amagi
on offense u can run sg+hsfcr anyway in most cases
But i dun like when she gets sniped by ryuuseis
so i stack rudder+sg
k now i have hsfcr/sg on amagi, rudder/sg on nagato, and beaver/oil tank on ryuu. good?
rudder+beaver will maker her lose too much acc too
well, looks good to me
U can try double SG nagato if u will be comfortable with that
more acc always good
even though beaver is not even recommended on ryuu
who's ryuu
Hiryuu
up until now, i've run white shell/sg on amagi and nagato and double cata on ryuu. pretty good win rate
well, did u reset?
what do you mean?
nah, just wanted to never lose any match. i also don't really pay much attention to game mechanic so i don't really know much
Well, in pvp u can press pause and exit match without attempt loss
if u see you are losing
that's what called resetting
I'm actually level 96...

just this morning though i fought someone i can't seem to win against no matter how much i rematch
namaryuu?
i see
nagato*
so beaver good on ryuu?
evasion is good on all backliners
because they have the most hp to gain out of a flat bonus
well, rudder is better ofc, but u need beaver somewhere. Ryuu is best candidate of backliners
since eva difference is affecting her least
just wondering cause the tierlist didn't even list beaver as option for ryuu
/rudder beaver sara for me kek
Well, some1 has to list it there....
how about switching beaver and rudder on ryuu and nagato?
up to you, but for reasons stated, i prefer it on Ryuu
U can even put it on yr sanrui or what u run in vg

is sanrui saint L?
yeah
where does the name come from?
for van, i have Yuki (tool/fireE) , Juneau (pearl,budge) and sanrui (rudder/boiler)
I use Nanoda w/ boiler (chip)
was told pearl was overkill on Jun but don't know who to put it on
need those 2 rudders
juneau mid is ok with pearl
well, with sanrui, Jun only option
with no tank items
if she not tank
i put jun front
what do you mean chip? up there
kizuna ai chip
gold boiler
is a boiler painted gold
it same boiler...
chip is same as boiler right?
why would you use chip? its expensive to upgrade
i think it was the same upgrade cost for a bit
yeah
then they "bug fixed" it
either discount or bug
like all the other "bugs"

oh hey more sap gun bps
was pirate same event?
then yeah it was probably like that
will we be able to get another hsfcr if the rerun come?
same
rip my tiny lead
all events give you another shot at the gear
vdir rerun gave us extra uh
ryuusei and reppuu
so is the chip cost the same as purple to upgrade?
what's Mle?
Well, Mle rerun is 100%, but HSFCR
well
Baguette gun, DD 138mm
baguette rerun will have new ships though
138mm? that was pretty recent though
just like theoretical spaghet rerun should add those other missing ships
Best DD dps gun
xD
why 100mm on yuki and not 76mm?
for AA against airstrikes
it adds huge eHp against air damage
cause her low base AA
AA in pvp is not for offense, it's for defense against Airstrikes
so is 100mm better?
for survivability yes
for damage 76 barraging would be better
But that's only survivability vs Air Damage
if u face no CV it's irrelevant
Like future NamaFdG comps

u said double eva on sanrui, so rudder+sg?
or rudder + beaver if u want to place rudder on ryuu
rudder/sg is the gutsy strategy if the enemy has 0 boilers
but she would enjoy some acc too
Most of the time she misses 80-90% shots w/ Mle against fast enemy xD
esp if yr own vg fast
sanrui is just the ultimate solo tank
sanrui is just to piss poor Aurora
in that her personal EHP is extra thicc
outside of that she isnt that special
zara and roon are better team tanks
with shield
and belfast
with smoke
with "slow"

Sanrui at least has "free boiler"
tbh that's the thing why they rate her high in jp/cn
gotta go fast
should i take sanrui out of pvp if she miss alot?
sanrui isnt there to do damage
well, in general sanrui is anti-Aurora. otherways said Belfast can do even better job at providing survivablity to vg and damage

or said Aurora to counter enemy nanoda
belfast, having a less restrictive gun angle and cl base accuracy, has a much better time doing damage
or sheffild to buff yr other vg survivability
and should beat sanrui pretty much all the time
and CLs get damage bonus in pvp unlike CA
tbh when u hit main it's pretty irrelevant
usually you end up eating big seven point blank anyways
no amount of medium armor will save you from that
i still would like an aux that upgraded armor for reduced evade or speed
would be fun for pushing main
CL w/ med ye
or a backliner upgrade
so how about Yuki (chip/FE), Jun (pearl/budge), sanrui(rudder boiler)?
maybe sanrui rudder bulge jun boiler pearl
and for position?
sanrui tank
jun will die sometime in the middle before sanrui even dies usually
just u can't really tank jun w/ pearl will overheal and sanrui w/ pearl might die too late
I'm already questioning my future buki setup gear wise and positioning...
when i was running sanrui i used pearl/boiler juneau
because she'd take a bit more from ykk
it helps make sure she dies a bit earlier
even with the extra hp from pearl
since mid often takes torp splash
i bet there were cases she dies late 
sanrui bot, yuki mid, and jun top?
sanrui tank(bot) jun mid nanoda top (offtank)
aka left to right on panel sanrui jun nanoda


surprise
what if tomorrow
goes back to bed
we wake up
that came out of nowhere lol

most likey
would be hilarious
just try pvp and wow my backline was really tanky

most ryuu, she always just pop when amagi in is front of her

rng torp bombers
1-4 or w/e it was
heart of the cards
she must face the ultimate duelist
hermes
evastacked ryuu can take 2 amagi barrages and not go into counter
jk

It was one of latest retroes?
yeah
1-4 torp bombers?
wiki doesnt have a list of potential effects rip
but well she can fire that atleast 3x per match
@sharp wing thanks for all the advice. hopefully 99% win rate
yeah 1-4 torp at 10, every 20 after that
even though only Nagato and Amagi is 120 cause im too lazy
what do you mean rng plane?
hanafuda type 
i dont think they're a special type of plane, the hanafuda just determines the number
probably
oh so planes depends on what you equip her?
no
the only ship with gear check skills are the monthly one we just got
and the double shot/torp/takeoff
but those dont actually check your gear
so it's literally just the new monthly
it'd be nice if they went back and updated some skills to be based on current gear
wont ever happen
barrages that match ammo and such would be cool
hmm so its like other ships with barrage
got separate base dmg and all
well, it doesn't really change much
yeah maybe

just gotta believe in mixed fleet jk

Sacrificed to the meta gods

and a dot
and as a cuda torp she can assist unbuffed amagi in winning the duel
i had a lot of problems with my unbuffed amagi losing to buffed amagi
when it was amagi/biscuit/sara
but now that im essex/sara/amagi
well, ofc... Biscuit
that problem isnt really a thing anymore cause cuda torp
it's just reliable crash damage
na, if you just clip the sides with 1 skill plane
they're eating a lot of damage over the rest of the match
well, actually due to CN wiki wording
dragons kai skill is always same amount of planes(?) but damage buffed depending on hanafuda

125 dmg? 
that's the daily


Farm that AA gun instead 
only getting +1 every reset now but I had an insane beginning season so 
farming some useless gold
I had 154 start and now i'm like only 3 ahead xy, who had 141 something
So tell about insane starts

1207 10/10
1229 8/10
not like this

1201 10/10
kek
we had like only 3 diff few resets ago

im still leveling baltimore and essex anyways
ouch
so it's w/e
I'll slowly climb to my usual 2595+


Unless work finally calls me in. Then I rush instead 

famine plays other games? 
He's god. One or two more games is nothing for him 

well, some auto game is fine, but doing fgo manual 
I do want his oil tho. Easy 100k points week 1 every event 

You already convinced me to buy skins I don't need. You're not making me buy oil scamcat 


I don't think you need swimsuit skins if you're gay


lmao
gotta pay for the pngs
me farming FGO, it's all muscle memory now 
lmao
whale for the right servants 
Do I need another prinz skin? Yes, those are good thighs 
feed Junie to Jesus

that's vanilla
lol

at least ask nicely xD
hmm actually, what if i used birmingham for stall power 
since she's eagle
even has a tiny invuln


I won't have creds for her after maint with border LBing
well, i expect ws kai in november
you mean january
well, at this point i'm nt sure how things turn out on EN

truth to be told tho
mirror is gonna need more rng
lol
imagine your opp proccing nagato and hiryuu planes
then u dont


Not january. Timebreak between ws and hiryuu was around 2 months
its about time enty goes out of the door

with hiryuu kai
true namaryuu is complete
amagi left
then we get updated meta

25/12/2018 dragons kai
29/01/2019 warkai
mirror
it's same as pre kai
Screw hiryuu meta tbf

its common sense that namaryuu is here
not a good counter iirc. Wasn';t it 70% or smth?

Azuma

I did well with my nakaga combo just fine against hiryuu meta
why not more choices
Wondering if it still would suffice
1 reset more, 1 reset less 
I never use resets tho
backline gets ganked alot faster with the additional planes
just wait till Warkai Foxes
then ez

how much dmg does azuma deal anyway at dev 30. There should be some screenshots

tbh warkai should get foxes kinda better

-1 enemy main after 1st airstrike + barrage
there are too few azuma d30 owners
but hey
its a bb in vg
it shoots directly backline
from the vg
DR dev30 takes half year at least
if dmg is not that high then it's whatever
Her barrage also adds extra shots
when equiped w/ 310
so you basically fire extra MG
when barrage procs
then got broken eva
and it's every 4 mg
lol
i mean
even if she didnt have a bb gun
and she's fuccing go fast meta cause double gyro
she'd still be s+ tier for 7.5k hp and an evasion skill
or w/e you want to call it
xD
imagine if sanrui had 7.5k hp
sanrui still succ cause her gun
But she would sure stall
hfhdjsbajaudhdbshajkaxhxgshbwwjsj
ijn is truly the past present and the future
REKT
3v1 still lost to lucky E
thats for getting higher rank than me last season



lel
i thought that would be me
wait, at what hp your backline was
xysunder is next
xD
then cay
if it's 40% double dmg on big e can finish em
We needs Sara blood too
i need to donate your soul
to horned friends
er kgv around 60% then mona/cent around 30-40%
Uhh, kgv should have survived then
you have oni friends?
nah
you should convince them to play instead
unless u had vg
didnt expect kgv to melt
kek

qeq
np hooloo
1 hit any Ryuu.... OH WAIT 
you dont need additional barrage lol
i kill enty with sara being so slow she hits her after invuln ends
kek
double heccdiver life
wskai can gank any cv

ryuu the cockblocker
id rather gank amagi over hiryuu personally
depends on aux, doesn't it?
100% rapeprotection
What is ws kai holding, tripple 406 and white shell+sg?
ws kai has the highest base hit in the bb game
time to be a rusher this season 
she still can get whiffed by amagi

i mean, any ijn should be 20% more

nagato has at least 84 minimum
given 70 * 1.2
if you do double radar that's what, 145 * 1.2?
that beats out double sg warspite
base ws?
nagato has base 70 * 1.2
put hsfcr and sg
so 84

but buff applies to gear
ws kai has 100 hit
yeah
and ws has 90+ luck


better proc lucky ship
or explode
xD
although it's unlikely vanguard will be targeted
my ws hit 200 aff to early, now on dorm duty
cause of her barrage mechanic

i really hate the idea of oathing ships jsut for 6% bonus stats in pvp..
well, i oathed many waifu. The problem is i don't use ships after they hit 100 aff. If i'm going to grind 120 on something i will have to oath it

not really for stats but i oathed my pvp ships cos they are the ones i use often so 



