pvp

[coral wren]

I need to know for research purpose and improving my pvp tactics

they dont call her long island for nothin, eh

[sharp wing]

Early on ppl abused her quick takeoff lol

[coral wren]

ah i dropped her early on cuz i got 3 bbs backline

And i thought airplanes were weak

But im a noob so

[sharp wing]

well, it's like very 1st month-2 of server

[coral wren]

EN AL is my first game so idk anything tbh

[sharp wing]

Like when u see Yorktowns and stuff

[coral wren]

Oh i did have york

she carried me in chapter 6

My retarded fleet doesnt even have a tank or a repair ship

thanks to tht long ass akashi questline

[sharp wing]

u don't really need repair ships till like ch10+

[coral wren]

u know i just got to chapter 10 recently

idk why

[sharp wing]

and it's only when yr main takes too banged

cause otherway healer cvl better

[coral wren]

I hate unicorn so i didnt lvl her

[sharp wing]

[coral wren]

that ijn healer carrier tho

Forgot her name

Tags: dark skin, tomboy, femdom, fang

[sharp wing]

[coral wren]

Forgot: white hair, cute voice

[sharp wing]

Uni wants to know yr location

[coral wren]

Uniporn suks

[sharp wing]

[coral wren]

I have a shit taste so i cant appreciate them

[sharp wing]

[coral wren]

also being called onii chan is weird

I mean shes older than me

Technically speaking

[sharp wing]

[trim horizon]

she's mentally retarded

[sharp wing]

Did you just talked about girl's age

[trim horizon]

so that's a thing

[sharp wing]

[coral wren]

How would u feel if ur grandma calls you onii chan

while shes inside her burial urn

?

Sorry for tht mental image

Ill commit seppuku now

[sharp wing]

[coral wren]

Bache>unicorn

I love their "hate" lines

But idk how to get those

[sharp wing]

need low affinity

[coral wren]

How

[sharp wing]

or just look in archive

[coral wren]

Oh

[trim horizon]

[coral wren]

Yeah thts how i see those

[sharp wing]

affinity drops when you sorties w/ low morale

[coral wren]

Most of their hate messages turns me on or awakens a new fetish

Especially when voiced

VAs rlly doing god's work

[trim horizon]

[coral wren]

I do cut myself sometimes

[sharp wing]

U need cut better

[coral wren]

cant get any edgier without risking ban

[sharp wing]

There no mods here

[coral wren]

Str8 edge n playing safe

Just like in game?

O well. Tiem to sleep

Gotta rush later in the morning

big brother
Lmao, i'm not a 70+ yeard old geezer, get dubbed on thot

[blazing scroll]

I don't even use repair ships anymore

Double bb or bb and cv + healer

[trim horizon]

Vestal best waifu

[blazing scroll]

[trim horizon]

need l2d

[blazing scroll]

[sharp wing]

Her swimsuit is fine

With those sweat drops slowly dripping down her... assets

[trim horizon]

If only I didn't spent books on Akashi

🚮

[surreal locust]

fuel tank for Hiryuu?

[trim horizon]

drop tank ?

yes

[sharp wing]

Well, it's called Aviation Oil Tank in game

[trim horizon]

[surreal locust]

I want to just level up Hiryuu so that she can pvp, but my OCD is also making me want to level up Souryuu

[trim horizon]

do It

bunnies-kai are decent iirc

[sharp wing]

They look cool, everything else is additional

[trim horizon]

Soryou is burnable

[sharp wing]

Esp ryuukai

Her retro is badass

well, souryu is whatever actually

[trim horizon]

Selling leveled ships is a good thing for the economy

[sharp wing]

[trim horizon]

[sharp wing]

Souryukai is basically hiryuu w/ slightly worse stats and VG buff instead of invulnerability

their retro skills are same

And she is DB focused

2 low eff torpbombers

[trim horizon]

I want Hiei feet

[surreal locust]

same

[sharp wing]

I want Suzu

[coral wren]

i want them all

[covert aurora]

oh man now that season has gone for a few days i can really see the difference

the people im meeting now are all lvl 120 all 6 oathed

damn i cant keep up

[trim horizon]

[covert aurora]

pvp is p2w

reee cant afford the 10 rings to become the mandarin

[dusk stirrup]

[trim horizon]

[hot creek]

Well, rings arent that necessary. In a mirror matchup you still have good chance of winning even if opponent has all oath and you none.

[vague token]

until we get the big hp

xD

fdg ring is like 1k+ hp

[sharp wing]

-20% damage as attaccer laughs at yr 1k hp

Tbh they made it specifically so ppl don't say it's p2w due to ring bonuses

[ionic magnet]

ringing for stats smh

[vague token]

i mean, that 20% dr you get multiplies fdg's ring bonus

even further

fdg is the most important one to ring cause you turn that 10k hp into 11k, multiply by the scaling dr, pvp mod, and things get crazy

[sharp wing]

I mean, offense bonus...

[ionic magnet]

fdg is also not available til next year

[sharp wing]

vs def ring

[vague token]

yeah, offense bonus greatly enhances the ring on fdg lol

[sharp wing]

no

offense bonus vs def ring...

[vague token]

oh, defense it doesnt do much

[sharp wing]

that's what i'm telling...

[vague token]

but a ringed offense fdg is grossly more durable than defense no ring

xD

[sharp wing]

they give u offense bonus so u still win vs ring def

and don't say it's p2w

[vague token]

i mean, ringed offense win rates will go up

technically it's buy to gain win rate

xD

[sharp wing]

Thx, cpt obvious

[vague token]

i mean, the win rate gain on literally everyone else

is barely any

math wise fdg is the only Should Ring For Stats

[ionic magnet]

its not p2w if f2p peeps get free gems

[sharp wing]

Ever wanted to ring Albedo?

Here u go

More ppl wanted to ring Nep anyway

AL makes dreams come true

[ionic magnet]

so many ded resets i'll never make it to top 4 again

[sharp wing]

I already lost all big start advantage

I saw xy was like 24 ranks behind me

and i had 154 start

[ionic magnet]

my 2nd and 3rd day is like 1 bonus per reset only

[trim horizon]

[ionic magnet]

[sharp wing]

this pvp is lame af

[trim horizon]

141 start here

[sharp wing]

lol

and now u same as me

[trim horizon]

[sharp wing]

even i was 13 ahead

[vague token]

oof

[sharp wing]

this bs

Time to convert to rusher

[ionic magnet]

is blazing here the same blazing in avrora @dusk stirrup

[sharp wing]

ye

[ionic magnet]

oh

[trim horizon]

[ionic magnet]

time to move

[dusk stirrup]

[sharp wing]

Lurker baited

[dusk stirrup]

[sharp wing]

[ionic magnet]

don't play with my food

[vague token]

dat profile pic though

[sharp wing]

[ionic magnet]

[trim horizon]

monkaToS

[sharp wing]

I'll go find some food to play myself

[shy hazel]

go play with yourself

[sharp wing]

Nah, it's ded

[shy hazel]

[sharp wing]

Graveyards are more lively

[vague token]

oh, got safe on d3

how nice

[trim horizon]

11 BPs

back at 800 oil

can't afford

[vague token]

oof

im at 11800 oil xD

[trim horizon]

[sharp wing]

I'm still at 2 bps

closing on 30k score

this Mle farm all around again

[vague token]

im at 2 but i havent farmed much yet

thankfully we only need 1 or 2

unlike mle which is bis

xD

[finite valve]

eh we dk how they going to buff the gun tho

[elder crane]

2, then probs the AA gun afterwards for me depending on how it goes/what the buff is
and then probs with any remaining time, Formi plane copies for reload adj purposes

[finite valve]

just imagine they buff the gun to bis after maint

[vague token]

they arent going to buff the gun

[finite valve]

LMFAO

[vague token]

lel

it's for ammo swappers only ;)

[elder crane]

if it's the rumoured +1 base dmg it's nice but changes nothing about it's usage

[sharp wing]

They do tho

+1 damage already applied after hotfix

[finite valve]

rumor =/= final

[elder crane]

JP patch explicitly says a buff is coming

also it's still bad on ammo switchers compared to Roon gun

[finite valve]

just cus you hear a little bird say the change = +1 != the change is final

[elder crane]

you use it vs med bosses basically

or really med-heavy maps

[vague token]

is it better than roon on ammo swap?

[elder crane]

yeah, that's why I clarified it's rumor
worth discussing still imo but is in no way final

[sharp wing]

does roon swap after 2 salvo or 2 mg?

[elder crane]

nope base stats worse than Roon gun by enough to be clear (imo)

Roon swaps between normal AP and HE afaik, and removes SAP entirely, which is the only reason to run the gun

[sharp wing]

i mean

2 shots

is that 2 salvos or 2 MG

[elder crane]

I forget, lol

[vague token]

im getting it as .04 dps more than roon gun

on ammo swap

it has 5% more coef

[sharp wing]

Well, the gun dps is more of that of Roongun

if not taking ammo

[elder crane]

what
base stats are strictly worse even considering coeff

[vague token]

which makes up for the slower speed

what

[sharp wing]

what?

[vague token]

42 times 8

is a lot

[sharp wing]

43 now

after hotfix

even

[vague token]

oh ok one sec

[sharp wing]

it has bigger dps

[elder crane]

vs 8.58 base +1.2 VT reload
and 7.32 base +0.5 VT reload

[sharp wing]

we say dps tho

[vague token]

hold on lemme redo it

xD

[elder crane]

okay, ignoring ammo and all other nongun mods,
38.7 vs 40.3 Zara vs Roon
but with reload mods added,

[vague token]

eh 1.4 less dps

not much

[elder crane]

45.96 vs 48.46 with around normal CA reload

[vague token]

it'll be better on baltimore for volume

since it has higher projectiles/second

more armor break procs

[elder crane]

probably not still

the % activation diff is too low to make up for that gap, I think

[vague token]

i mean the dps difference is tiny

might as well boost something else

[elder crane]

I'd not call 5.4% tiny

[vague token]

baltimore at least has ap+10%

xD

id rather go for heavy armor breaks

8 times vs 6

33% more chances

[elder crane]

You'd need armor break to activate ~50% more often to make it worth it for herself
ofc team, means probs 10% more often is enough

She's, what, 3.5% per shot?

maybe if you run 3BB+3gunboat, otherwise no

[sharp wing]

8%

[vague token]

says 3.5 on wiki

[elder crane]

and it'll be less than 3.5% since you can't stack it
probs not by too much though

[sharp wing]

3.5 lvl 1 8 max?

[elder crane]

What's Armor break % effect again?

[vague token]

baltimore's armor break doesnt scale

[sharp wing]

wait

[vague token]

it's 0 until skill level 8, then 3.5

[elder crane]

Also ofc this matters on Heavy only

[sharp wing]

wrong bote

[vague token]

xD

[elder crane]

which is usually small % of most maps and just a few bosses

[sharp wing]

well, armor break is whatever

don't even consider

[elder crane]

Ok, verdict: if you run 3BB vs Taihou it's worth, maybe
otherwise no way

[vague token]

at least it's close lol

it still has that beefy projectiles per second for on hits

xD

not that there's many on hit ships

there's probably only like 2

[elder crane]

Oh lol I just realized
you're running 3BB with Balti, that sounds, probably dumb

[vague token]

why, 3 bb means she gets 15% fp and evasion

or w/e it was

she adapts ;)

the only bad ones are when you mix too much xD

[elder crane]

yeah but.... CV synergy is why you'd use her for boss
otherwise better options I think

[vague token]

oh yeah

/using sirius baltimore in pvp atm for big avi stack

actually who does have on hits on CA anyways im curious

gonna check skills list

suzuya is one

every 8 hits

or at least it translates as hits

might not actually be hits

[sharp wing]

still does roon count each gun salvo or only each mg shot?

like with roon gun does she change ammo each mg ?

[vague token]

hers is mg

[sharp wing]

or only after 2 mg

[vague token]

it says Firing

so MGM+1 still counts as one

every salvo is like per mount i think?

[sharp wing]

mg and +1 shpould count as 2

[vague token]

na but it doesnt say per salvo

so you'd THINK it counts as 2

[sharp wing]

but roon gun has 2 salvo

[vague token]

it doesnt say salvo on hers

so

rip

at least on wiki

[sharp wing]

It never doesn tho

no1 used Roon

[vague token]

lemme check in game

xD

[sharp wing]

2 rounds...

[vague token]

oh

actually it says specifically

every 2 shots

in game

so i have no idea what shots mean

[sharp wing]

lmao

[vague token]

im guessing that is supposed to be mounts

[sharp wing]

probably salvos?

[vague token]

but i have no idea

[split marten]

Man why are KMS fleets so underwhelming in PvP

[vague token]

because they're bad

xD

[sharp wing]

Cause KMS is bad

[vague token]

now why they are bad

no idea

[split marten]

But German science is the best in the world

[vague token]

ijn bias probably

[split marten]

If IJN lost the war

[sharp wing]

But did germany had any fleet to speak of?

[split marten]

Why are their ships so good

[sharp wing]

surface fleet

But IJn had best ships at the time?

[split marten]

They had a bit but it wasn’t much to cry home about

Not exactly

[sharp wing]

Like cranes were one of best carriers of their generation

[split marten]

HMS and USS were both very good at the time

HMS was using a lot of old ships but they had the naval tradition and experienced officers

[sharp wing]

lmao what? When war started USS fleet was a joke

[vague token]

i think the armored carriers were technically better not sure though

[sharp wing]

they only made good after like 43

[split marten]

USS got gud

Like a dark souls player

[sharp wing]

IJN had the edge in the beggining of war

[split marten]

HMS should have the most retrofits in game tbh

They did a lot of retrofitting

Also Helena should have a retrofit

[vague token]

she has one planned

someday

[split marten]

I thought it was scrapped?

[vague token]

i doubt they scrapped it

[split marten]

She had one irl after pearl harbour

[vague token]

oh you mean irl

xD

[sharp wing]

90% ships irl had retrofits so what?

[split marten]

Nono I meant in game

@sharp wing not at all

Most ships, especially on USS side, were build during the war or only a few years before the war and were promptly used and scrapped

[sharp wing]

well, they had over 150 fuccing fletchers

[split marten]

Cause it was a good DD design

US industry op

[sharp wing]

cause they had resources and needed to get fleet fast

[split marten]

I mean Nicholas was pogchamp

So was Fletcher herself but she’s underrepresented in game

[sharp wing]

I hope we stop getting fletchers

like bache

[split marten]

Lmfao Bache

Well we’re missing some famous fletchers

[sharp wing]

they don't have torps, they want to try being gun oriented but they succ

[vague token]

gun destroyers

good meme

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

here's my favorite destroyer gun user

london kai

[sharp wing]

And yet we have... fuccing 15 of this trash

[vague token]

i mean

[split marten]

Like O’Bannon

[vague token]

how many z destroyers we have?

xD

[sharp wing]

well, since we cannot get anything more for KMS

[split marten]

And Taylor umu

[sharp wing]

but there few Z classes

[split marten]

I mean

Z1 all the way to what

[sharp wing]

it's not 1 class

[vague token]

oh wow

the z ships have their barrages based on year

[split marten]

Lul

[vague token]

not ship class or anything

xD

[sharp wing]

they are like subclasses

[split marten]

Do we have KMS Emden yet?

[sharp wing]

like z23 and z25 gun oriented

[split marten]

If not Emden is a potential KMS CL

[sharp wing]

then we have z35 and z36

with 430+ torp

Then we have z46, the prime german engineering

barrageboat + aaboat + tank

[split marten]

Z46 wasn’t even completed irl or something

I think the final Z series destroyer was Z45

Wait Z45 wasn’t even completed irl

Z44 was tho

[sharp wing]

z46-50 is planned class

45 is other class

z44-45

45 not completed

[vague token]

z46 the superior boat

sadly, yostar had to make ap skill for destroyers

instead of just increasing barrage damage by 15%

[split marten]

German science is the best in the world!

[vague token]

____>

[sharp wing]

well, her AP skill buffs her AP barrage

and u use 100mm to spam barrage anyway

[vague token]

exactly

just delete the skill

and add the damage

no one is gonna use dd ap

ever

[sharp wing]

Well, in her case it works good

cause of barrage

[vague token]

which is why i said

[sharp wing]

We yet to get more ap dd guns anyway

[vague token]

add the damage in

[sharp wing]

need 1 gold ap gun

[vague token]

it'd have to be godlike stats to be worth though

you take a damage drop on all armor types

[sharp wing]

obviously

but w/ AP skill it can work

like SAp on Zara

[vague token]

isnt zara better with an HE gun

xD

[sharp wing]

well, i mean, zara w/ SAP has better damage than AP

[vague token]

or does the SAP gun get both bonuses

[sharp wing]

due to +12%

[vague token]

yeah

i just mean like use he

use sanrui, get 12% damage

be Sanrui Lite

with auto shields

xD

but if sap got both bonuses

that'd be nice

[sharp wing]

both?

[vague token]

her gun skill has two parts

one is HE/SAP get 12% damage amp

[sharp wing]

ap skill

[vague token]

the other is AP guns does chance to inflict 15% damage vs the target or w/e

like, it would make sense if SAP got both bonuses

[sharp wing]

I think it works more like debuff tho

[vague token]

it is

[sharp wing]

not inflict 15% more damage

enemy gets 15% more damage for a time

[vague token]

no, it's only her

[sharp wing]

yes, from her

gun

[vague token]

yeah, but with enough volume of hits

it's just a 15% damage amp

with a startup delay

or rng

[sharp wing]

I mean, it's big difference of a shot just dealing bonus damage and a shot applying timed debuff

[vague token]

if you arent stacking damage debuffs

the result is the same

except one takes a bit to start up if the chance is low

which it is

8%

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

so unless the SAP gun gets both

you should only be using HE or SAP

[shy hazel]

im not even farming the gun

[sharp wing]

result is not same tho

[shy hazel]

isnt it only for zara

[vague token]

it is though? if you roll the 8% on the first bullet

you basically only lose 1 bullet of 15% damage

and the rest are

[sharp wing]

If u roll on 1st bullet, all bullets for 10 sec 100% 15% damage bonus

[vague token]

it lasts 10 seconds so it should be pretty much up all the time once it starts

[sharp wing]

otherwise u roll EACH bullet

so it's indeed big difference

between each bullet bonus damage and debuff

[vague token]

yeah, so why does the ap part exist again?

it's basically a non-factor

either a) proc rate is high enough to make it not even a gamble

or b) it's so low why dont i just use 12% free damage 100% of the time

[sharp wing]

that's another question

[vague token]

and c) does SAP gun get both benefits

xD

[sharp wing]

was just talking about AP skill mechanic

Well, sap only get's 1 benefit for sure

[vague token]

=(

so basically just use sanrui gun

xD

[sharp wing]

depends what u hunt

[vague token]

isnt 147/107/82 far more usable than 67/137/77

in like

the majority of scenarios

also faster barrage

[ionic magnet]

yea HE for general use
AP is more for big brain strats

[sharp wing]

we talk bout SAp

[vague token]

maybe someone will test and find out the ap part applies to SAP gun

and she actually has reason to always use SAP gun

xD

[sharp wing]

I think they gonna buff SAP after maint

[ionic magnet]

well SAP is for galaxy brain strats then

[sharp wing]

like it makes 0 sense SAp dealing less damage to heavy than HE

[vague token]

cough dd guns cough

[sharp wing]

dd guns are low caliber

[ionic magnet]

so much for armor piercing shells

[sharp wing]

that's other thing

[ionic magnet]

lol

[vague token]

wait, so are we following irl

or the game rules

cause the game rules SAY ap guns are better for heavy armor

;)))))

wink

[sharp wing]

So u want to say DD AP guns better for heavy?

[vague token]

either a) buff DD ap on heavy

or b) adjust the game rule statement

either or

i just dont want the game to lie to me

so you either make the rule consistent

all ap has bonus compared to normal/he against heavy

or you rewrite the rule

because the rule is wrong

(dd and cl)

[sharp wing]

there no rule s

lowcal is low cal

[ionic magnet]

what rule

[vague token]

the help tip

there's a whole page on ammo

xD

[sharp wing]

wonder how many ppl looked at it

5%?

[vague token]

probably less

i think it pops up in tutorial

when you shell prinz

[sharp wing]

ye

[vague token]

using hood though

[ionic magnet]

oh theres smth like that

[vague token]

so you get lied to

[sharp wing]

probably 0.5%

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

from the very beginning

top kek

i legit thought dd ap was good for heavy for a bit until i came over here

xD

[sharp wing]

lmao

[vague token]

then i was like wow where muh damage

so yeah, maybe im just biased

because i read the in game

im the silly one

for reading

[sharp wing]

DD AP is just another SAP

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

but that's due to low cal

[vague token]

i mean

it's a video game

we dont have to follow rules of irl

[sharp wing]

low cal cannot penetrate anything lol

aside med armor a bit

[vague token]

otherwise the heccdiver would be super annoying

xD

[sharp wing]

oh wow wiki added absolute cooldowns

or I never noticed em, lol

[vague token]

im pretty sure they've been listed on the gun pages

like the list

[sharp wing]

yeah

[vague token]

cause ive seen them for a while

but i think most people dont use the list pages

[sharp wing]

I don't remember them there tho

well, i won't use individual gun pages, lol

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

there 0 point

it's even harder to read

[zenith tundra]

wdym by absolute cooldown?

[vague token]

it's a fixed cooldown added to the end of anything

so if your gun is Too Fast, it can hurt a lot

[sharp wing]

cooldowns after firing based on gun type

[vague token]

cause it isnt affected by reload or anything

[sharp wing]

like very high reload + dd gun = cucced

[zenith tundra]

i think those were listed in combat formulas

[sharp wing]

now they are listed on gun pages

[vague token]

combat doesnt show abs cooldown

actually at all

on wiki

it just expects you know the reload time already of the gun

xD

[sharp wing]

combat doesn't have values for them

[vague token]

reload part literally says: weapon reload time times reload formula

so basically if you dont know about abs cooldown

you'll be off

xD

[sharp wing]

oh, Absolute cooldown only present in DPS formulas

on gunpages

there no even DPS formula in combat

[vague token]

yeah but it's easy to calculate

[sharp wing]

only final damage

so ye

it never was there

[vague token]

[zenith tundra]

end page of combat

look at that

[vague token]

that's different from abs cooldown

bb guns have the delay between shots mechanic

[sharp wing]

It's more clear in CN wiki formulas

Those are wholesome

well, absolute cooldown is just sum of these 2

so u just add it to VT and Reload

[zenith tundra]

i can't see what u guys mean in the bb gun page

[vague token]

bb gun doesnt have abs cooldown cause it doesnt shoot constantly

[sharp wing]

It's not in there

this applied only to vg guns

[zenith tundra]

wait then why did u say bb guns earlier?

[vague token]

well, i only meant that there's this on the combat page:
For BB/BC/BM main guns, there is a slight delay before and after each volley, and the reload timer only begins to count after the last shot of the volley has left the guns. The delay and the duration of the volley is dependent on the type of the gun.

so you'd have to check gun stats technically to get their total cooldown xD

which is why bb list page doesnt have a abs cooldown section

not sure why it even has this really

[sharp wing]

Well, it's technically like VT

[vague token]

there's only a few bb guns with volley duration

because they do 2x2

jb gun xD

[sharp wing]

like 356 will take longer for all shells to be fired

[vague token]

oh i forgot fireworks does have a volley time

[sharp wing]

and then we are technically down to pattern

[vague token]

or it should

wait does the fireworks shoot out both parts with 0 vt

xD

[sharp wing]

I suppose?

[vague token]

cause it says 0 vt

on here

[sharp wing]

well, only french guns have stated VT

[vague token]

i mean the only guns with more than 1 shot set per mount

[sharp wing]

But that's cause their 1 salvo technically turns into 2 salvo

[vague token]

are the baguettes and fireworks

not that anyone uses fireworks

so they never bothered to datamine it

probably

[sharp wing]

but firework fires 2 shots same time

[vague token]

i mean, it says that

[zenith tundra]

i think volley time only applies to guns that shoots more then 1 time

[vague token]

but ive never checked

because it's fireworks

xD

[sharp wing]

Well, we have 1 firework user

I will try it

on some meme fleet

[vague token]

someday ill go like

triple burning

sara/kirishima with fireworks

stack all the burns

and a regular he gun

four burns

[sharp wing]

Someday u'll burn urself

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

Kirishima burns are so tiny tho

will be hard time spotting all those smoll numbers

2 digit

[vague token]

just gotta add them all up

they tick every 2 instead of every 3 at least

xD

[zenith tundra]

didn't fitework gun have best burn?

[sharp wing]

wonder how much they will get reduced in pvp

[vague token]

uh

[zenith tundra]

dots in general aren't reduced

[vague token]

would have to math

the base damage is really low on fireworks

[sharp wing]

in pvp ticks are reduced

it's a bug

[vague token]

you lose 1 tick

at the end

[sharp wing]

ticks count

[vague token]

the per tick isnt reduced

[sharp wing]

That's why interesting for Kiri

her 2 sec ticks

will it reduce proportionally

or just cut like last second

[zenith tundra]

was it reported?

[sharp wing]

Is there any point to report anything on EN? especially only PVP related, lul

[vague token]

with 367 fp and 1.35 efficiency, fireworks burn for uh

188

[sharp wing]

lol

[vague token]

367 is unbuffed ungeared kirishima

just to make it easy to add

[sharp wing]

that's actually impressive

but what eff u talking

it's barrage

[vague token]

she has 1.35

oh, the barrage

no idea on barrage

because i dunno the base

nor the coef of the barrage

xD

[sharp wing]

xD

[vague token]

i can try to guess based on barrage page

and just call it a 100% coef

[zenith tundra]

u can try searching cn wiki pages

[vague token]

ehhhh

[sharp wing]

Need pellets count

[zenith tundra]

some tables are pic in cn without any chance to google translate

[sharp wing]

CN barrage tables are pics

can't look shit

[vague token]

im pretty sure she has like 40 pellets or something

doesnt she shoot a crazy number

and it blankets the screen

[zenith tundra]

anyone has the cn wiki link? might be fun trying to find out the stats

[sharp wing]

probably rthis one

[vague token]

20 base damage?

that's lower than fireworks

xD

[sharp wing]

Yes it is

multiply coefficients u get EN wiki values

that's her barrage

[vague token]

oh so she does get 135 for barrage

k one moment

so lets gear theoretical kirishima up

[sharp wing]

I have non theoretical one

[vague token]

kek

[sharp wing]

qeq

wonder what second red number after 50% means

it's only on few barrages

and only with chances

[vague token]

so with bonus fp from gear she'd hit 215 on fireworks gun
292 on skill

[sharp wing]

to proc something

[vague token]

actually wait im off

[sharp wing]

well, more interested in skill

[vague token]

274

i mean they all stack

so

MORE BURNING

[sharp wing]

Well, for other uses

For science

[vague token]

[zenith tundra]

did they changed math in ca gun page too?

[sharp wing]

Mmm in which way?

[zenith tundra]

i didn't rememeber sap gun being so good on heavy too

[sharp wing]

It's just 10% behind on heavy modifier

as of release

[zenith tundra]

but is ahead of roongun in dps in heavy

[sharp wing]

no?

[vague token]

i dont see that

[sharp wing]

it's 5th

[vague token]

that's only on Min Stats

[sharp wing]

on heavy dps

[vague token]

aka unupgraded

[sharp wing]

use max stats

[vague token]

xD

[zenith tundra]

oh that's why

[vague token]

ununpgraded meta would be hilarious

[sharp wing]

Also it now has 43 damage

not 42 when +10

Let's see what we get after maint buff

Oh, wait

Maint after next reset

Where tf patchnotes?

[vague token]

yostar: you'll get patch notes when we feel like it

[sharp wing]

I mean, we got ingame ones

BUt ingame are iffy

And it says 9/20

[zenith tundra]

gonna go up from 43 to 44 lol

[sharp wing]

not 9/19

Well, I'm more inclined to that they change SAP modifiers

Like dealing more damage to heavy, than HE lmao

[vague token]

kek

[sharp wing]

cause it's dumb

[vague token]

i mean it's not like there are ammo rules ;)))

[ionic magnet]

those 200ish red numbers are from her barrage

you're close kiro

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

huh, maybe the 50% fp thing isnt real?

[sharp wing]

there lvl disadvantage?

[ionic magnet]

105 kiri vs 106 BBs

[vague token]

level doesnt modify fire

[ionic magnet]

but this ones on safe threat levels

[vague token]

there's no level component to its formula

[zenith tundra]

i think is gun dmg not sap modifiers according to jp notes but then again it's the only sap gun

[sharp wing]

wait there were nothing about 50% fp

[vague token]

on this page

https://gyazo.com/df55a69218b2fe9668de2d1911e21a11

there is

[sharp wing]

50% burn chance and 150% fp

[vague token]

yeah sorry bonus fp

xD

[sharp wing]

qeq

[vague token]

but she isnt fully leveled so not full stats

since burns only care about the stats

need more fp

more nagato buff

jk

[sharp wing]

Sister buff

Glorious Kongou

[vague token]

isnt that less than nagato buff

_>

[sharp wing]

both?

[ionic magnet]

[sharp wing]

But kongou dun need flag

so

[vague token]

double ijn bc

[sharp wing]

kiri flag and kongou buff

[vague token]

big brain strats

[sharp wing]

At least they use CL guns

IJN and KMS BCs can use CL guns

[vague token]

yeah

[sharp wing]

oh, kongou buffs both ACC and EVA

[vague token]

although kms only gets aux+1

not +2

[sharp wing]

sharks get +0

but 3 non homing torps

[vague token]

definitely equivalent

[sharp wing]

in fan pattern

[vague token]

you know

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

when you get 154 torp stat

at 120

definitely good

[sharp wing]

they dun hit shit to begin with

[vague token]

every 20 seconds

[sharp wing]

even w/ 600 torp start

[vague token]

at least tirpitz gets 5 mag torps

and self buff technically

[sharp wing]

and damage buuf

[vague token]

technically better

still not worth aux+1

but better

[sharp wing]

it is worth

[vague token]

amagi gets torps and aux+2 >_>

but she is amagi

so i guess she gets a pass

[sharp wing]

Kaga too

[vague token]

oh yeah xD

so yeah, not worth

it should have been in addition to

not taking away from

[sharp wing]

Well, tirp torps are very good actually

[vague token]

so? it still should be a bonus

not a cost

most ships dont have a trade off

_>

only kms

[sharp wing]

She got buff applied to secondaries tho

[vague token]

minus those weird vanguard skills that buff one stat and reduce another

kek

so?

xD

[sharp wing]

it's all fine

[vague token]

would tirpitz push t0

with aux+2?

probably not

[sharp wing]

what

[vague token]

pve

like i dont see the problem

just give all the kms backliners aux +2

like everyone else

[sharp wing]

I don't think devs care about yr tiers

[vague token]

hey it isnt my tiers it's cn xD

[sharp wing]

1 man CN tiers?

At least they are probably better than WIS?

[vague token]

i mean this one
https://i.redd.it/8rpgd7e3zrm31.png

xD

rip tirpitz not even on there

[sharp wing]

I need some drink before that

[vague token]

although i imagine if biscuit had +2 she might actually hit t0 ;)))

pewpew

[sharp wing]

It wouldn't change her in slightest

[ionic magnet]

zara t0.5 eh

[vague token]

Roon That Uses Less Oil

top kek

[sharp wing]

Hey, it's noob friendly... i guess?

[ionic magnet]

cheaper roon but waifu

[sharp wing]

lewdfu

pipestroker

[vague token]

kgv still says "armament optimization is a lie"

on her description

lol

[ionic magnet]

i like how amagi just has "debuffer"

lol

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

Amagi wants to know your location.

[vague token]

isuzu: this circle is no fly zone

[sharp wing]

That's good one

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

china squad:
they wont die but you will time out

xD

[sharp wing]

well, duh

not really

my last ch12 run they had 55k+ damage each

[vague token]

maybe ch13?

[ionic magnet]

seattle cutie pie AA monster

[vague token]

wait is there a 6 + ship eval?

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

in this entire page?

it has ++++ as jesus christ its jason bourne

but i dont think there's a 6 +

oh china squad has def +6

[ionic magnet]

chinaball

yea

[vague token]

literally the only one

xD

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

china bias

[ionic magnet]

they didnt even bother putting any 5 +

straight up 6 +

[vague token]

well

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

there are games that dont scale linearly

with that kind of eval

i think tekken 7 goes from like 1, 2, 4, 8 or something

for difficulty

or was it 10

i cant remember

[ionic magnet]

still biased

[vague token]

xD

[shy hazel]

fighting games 🚮

[sharp wing]

I see note about sorted in decreasing order of bust size...

Then i see Seattle before Azuma

[vague token]

oh if they're in the same tier

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

wait

[sharp wing]

PVP TIME

[vague token]

seattle has more plot?

than azuma?

[sharp wing]

Is Nyaga flatter than WS

That is the question

And Hood was a Major spoiler

[ionic magnet]

lmao

[sharp wing]

Like Plot related Spoiler

[vague token]

[trim horizon]

[solid phoenix]

Hey guys, are there any predictions about Formidable's viability in PVP, or is it just too soon to tell/in need of testing?

[sharp wing]

It's decent for QE/KGV fleet

[vague token]

strong, but requires work

because timing

if you want to not worry about timing you can probably meme with double cv

xD

[sharp wing]

Well, that predicted cent Formie comp actually works as phoenix tested

[vague token]

maybe i should try triple cv

for kicks

cent/essex/formidable sounds amusing

big Avi stack