pvp

[shy hazel]

did something kiro like

done c3 10x with ajax

then i realize

ajax side mission is c2

time to kms

[midnight heron]

Converted from ijn to kms ic

[ionic magnet]

kiro like

[vague token]

i mean

i did that

except i didnt have ajax MLB

xD

i just have warspite's left in d3

[split marten]

Is there a reason why I see people occasionally run Helena in defense fleets?

Or are they just memeing

[vague token]

i see helena foxes more than i should

just a meme

[hot creek]

Enty Helena is a thing.

[vague token]

i dont see that like at all xD

[ionic magnet]

i used helena when i was still starting

[hot creek]

Enty/Helena is not a bad budget combo. 42% chance for VG deletion.

[sharp wing]

My 154 start reduced to 0 by 3 ded resets...

[silver root]

helena surviving for more than 20 secs in pvp

[vague token]

eh, doable, put her mid/off tank

[sharp wing]

like any cl

[coral wren]

Srsly, fuck that timezone. I just physically can’t get up in the middle of night.

[vague token]

is good

[coral wren]

[trim horizon]

patch notes for the 20th

no custom voice for most of the skin I'll buy

[coral wren]

Same lines also

It took em almost a year to add new lines and voiceover for summer kms skins

[midnight heron]

Wow srsly fk dis game and its bs

Nakaga with oxytorp vg of yuki jints bel who can live through aurora torp meme + barrage

🖕

[sharp wing]

[ionic magnet]

[coral wren]

cope

[safe meteor]

does Belfast counter KGV?

[stark raft]

Nope

[coral wren]

Kgv counters herself by being a part of hms

[safe meteor]

what time does KGV shoot?

around 7-8ish seconds?

[stark raft]

8 sec with her gun

[safe meteor]

would Belfast counter her 2nd and 3rd salvo then, with the smoke?

[stark raft]

The only time my KGV has missed shots on VG is if they were fast enough

[coral wren]

you are using aurora tho, that doesn't count 🤡

Tricky, a u having troubles with dealing with kgv or smth?

[stark raft]

Im not using aurora

[coral wren]

[safe meteor]

was KGV a sleeper hit?

[shy hazel]

sleeper hit???

[coral wren]

What do you mean? Ppl started using her since release

[safe meteor]

oh

but i never really heard aboot her in pvp, until recently

[shy hazel]

aaa you probably not active much about hms

but the few hms people left

uses kgv

[coral wren]

The only one who was sceptical about her is daxxam, but he shit the bed unfortunatelly

[shy hazel]

the one who is loyal to kgv here

is @ionic magnet

[safe meteor]

ive been using her to lvl up, but she was surprisingly good in pvp

[ionic magnet]

ofc

[safe meteor]

did not know there were actual competitive pvp teams with KGV

[ionic magnet]

kgv saved hms from being a meme

[safe meteor]

so does Formidable help anywhere?

or is it still gonna be Monarch, KGV, Centaur?

[coral wren]

You joking? i don't think anyone was having any troubles against her

[shy hazel]

im in the side that thinks

formidable is good

probably meta

[ionic magnet]

yea formie is an upgrade to monarch

[safe meteor]

oh really

so KGV, Formidable Centaur?

[shy hazel]

people even label me as ijn slave

[ionic magnet]

phx is the only one who can test rn

[shy hazel]

[ionic magnet]

he went qe formie cent

[safe meteor]

i used to be one

[shy hazel]

hoo

my formidable is 100

[safe meteor]

oh, so how is Warspite kai gonna change things too?

[shy hazel]

no gold to break levelcap

[ionic magnet]

mine is still 90

[shy hazel]

ofc ws kai will change things

[safe meteor]

what would the team look like?

[shy hazel]

i just oathed by wk

like ytd

[safe meteor]

KGV, Warspite, and one more?

[shy hazel]

its depends when wskai will come

like formidable

a new hms ship may come

so we cant predict anything

[ionic magnet]

well prolly warkai formie cent

but yea who knows

[safe meteor]

maybe QE gets retrofit?

[shy hazel]

nah

i predict monarch warkai formidable

tho tbh

the meta will still be ijn in the end

hms strictly

[safe meteor]

wait, where is KGV then?

[coral wren]

Monarch is too good to replace her

[ionic magnet]

just prepare all hms botes

[shy hazel]

kgv is good but not that good

[safe meteor]

so how to deal with vanguard?

[shy hazel]

hms has alot of choices

[safe meteor]

KGV eats vanguard pretty fast

[shy hazel]

formidable

[safe meteor]

right

[shy hazel]

can gank a vg properly

[sharp wing]

WSKai Cent Formie, the hms variant of WSFoxes

Nothing to expect more

[ionic magnet]

kgv is still your best tank best dmg dealer until warkai so

[stark raft]

Im going KGV wskai Cent

[coral wren]

If qe gets a retrofit, you can go full 5 hms boats+ juneau

[ionic magnet]

keyword is IF

[hot creek]

monarch is super overrated.

[ionic magnet]

[coral wren]

Who knows

ws got hers afterall

why not qe

[safe meteor]

ws?

[coral wren]

warspite

[sharp wing]

cause devs dun play PVP

[safe meteor]

oh

[sharp wing]

and ws was bad in pve

[coral wren]

She still is, kinda?

[safe meteor]

she still is after kai though?

doubles down on pvp

[sharp wing]

she or not is ANother question

we are talking about WHY she got retro

Not because she was shit in pvp

[safe meteor]

also, she has retrofit skin during this event

[sharp wing]

[ionic magnet]

more loli BB?

[coral wren]

qe got her retrofit historically, so she should get one soon

[sharp wing]

most of the ships got retro historically

i don't see 90% every ship with retro

[safe meteor]

which ship didnt?

but does in Azur lane?

[coral wren]

lazy devs

[sharp wing]

WS got retro before WW2 started

[safe meteor]

you get a retrofit, you get a retrofit, and you get a retrofit

[coral wren]

Well, i see the reason common and rare ship getting retroes, for cost efficient fleets

[sharp wing]

They get retro to even make em usable

in most cases

[safe meteor]

those 3 smokescreen DD?

[stark raft]

So phoenix has cent qe formi
I will do kgv wskai cent/formi
Hooloo and others?

[ionic magnet]

if qe gets retro she can easily carry hms vs ijn

oh we counting warkai already? @stark raft

[stark raft]

Yeah

[coral wren]

So phoenix has cent qe formi
Everyone will switch to ws kai. The question is who are the other 2 boats

[sharp wing]

not like phoenix will still use QE after wskai

[coral wren]

Yeah, exactly

[sharp wing]

that's dumb

[stark raft]

Thats why i said has

[sharp wing]

u either compare current comps or don't at all

[ionic magnet]

let it go

[hot creek]

I have all those ships maxed anyways

[coral wren]

I mean, do you really wanna use qe when hiryuu rettro comes

iirc hms standart setup alone dropped to 40% on cn when namagyuu kai came out

[trim horizon]

[stark raft]

Hiryuu not a threat at all

[sharp wing]

hiryuu retro is same cancer, just bit more punch

[safe meteor]

so wahts the vanguard for HMS?

[sharp wing]

Hiryuu doesn't change anything we have atm

[safe meteor]

Belfast, Nep, Juneau?

[coral wren]

Depends on backline setup, really

[ionic magnet]

warkai formie cent for me I guess but too early to tell

[coral wren]

Hms got a loot of choices

some are equally good

[shy hazel]

people think

warkai will be here cos got memed at italy event

i say nope

go wait 6 months plebe

[sharp wing]

lol

idk why ppl even think that

[safe meteor]

we just got Sandy kai

[ionic magnet]

yea lol

[sharp wing]

That's half year before WS

[safe meteor]

would be rip another 60kish gold

[sharp wing]

But they said they will rush en a bit

[safe meteor]

it was 59.5 k for Sandy?

[sharp wing]

As i said I expect ws early winter

[coral wren]

Hm, would be weird if pr2 comes before ws kai

I think devs hinted pr2 will come out soon?

[sharp wing]

Why would it come?

[hot creek]

Best HMS will indeed probably end up being WS Kai/Centaur/Formidable.

[sharp wing]

Soon?

Just not a year away

[coral wren]

[sharp wing]

pr2 rushed should be end winter-spring

if they really rush

[ashen silo]

if there's one thing they will rush, it's not PR2

[safe meteor]

will Germans ever get good Carriers, or a good pvp fleet?

[coral wren]

Best HMS will indeed probably end up being WS Kai/Centaur/Formidable.
if only it can shred pr2 shitshow

[sharp wing]

Germans physically have no ships

irl

[ashen silo]

germans didn't have a good carrier irl so 🤷

[safe meteor]

aww

so we got nothing to work with Bismarck?

that +20% dmg for carriers

[coral wren]

fdg

[ashen silo]

maybe if they add ww1 ships

[safe meteor]

they did got good subs though?

[sharp wing]

subs in pvp

[safe meteor]

nah i mean

[ashen silo]

[sharp wing]

they had big sub fleet

[safe meteor]

Germans i guess have something

[ionic magnet]

yea lewd subs

[sharp wing]

Wolf Packs

[safe meteor]

eeh

[sharp wing]

[safe meteor]

the german subs arent that lewd?

compare em to like the new USS ones?

[ionic magnet]

well yea

[ashen silo]

all subs are lewd

[coral wren]

Like soviets, the mojarity of their navy is subs. Both were memey enough and just the thought that bongs were afraid of bismarck and tirpitz is laughable

[ashen silo]

disgustingly so, except for surcouf

[sharp wing]

|Germans sub are qt

[safe meteor]

oooh, when do we get Russian faction?

[ashen silo]

a while ago

[sharp wing]

From PR3

[coral wren]

I hope never

[safe meteor]

what?

[ashen silo]

avrora

[safe meteor]

there is a PR3 coming?

[ashen silo]

northern parliament hello

yes

[sharp wing]

yeah

[ionic magnet]

fake hype

[safe meteor]

i mean, 1 ship i dont really call a fleet?

[sharp wing]

community want's more collab, so it gonna happen

[shy hazel]

i believe russia didnt even have that much subs

lol

[coral wren]

50+ subs

[sharp wing]

not talking subs tho

[coral wren]

they had plenty

[shy hazel]

is that even ww2

👀

[sharp wing]

yeah

[ashen silo]

but the russian faction exists in game. which is what you asked lul

[safe meteor]

ah right

i forgot there was one

[coral wren]

All as one were shit tin cans

[sharp wing]

[safe meteor]

so little BB?

[sharp wing]

And remember those so called "Chinese DDs" are actually russian DDs

that they bought

[coral wren]

Damn, the only thing you should know about russians subs is how one sailor was drunk enough to sink one of subs after shooting a few of crewmembers in a drunken rage

Don't worry, if pr3 comes with russian bbs you will see the most retarded sovietbias ever existed

[sharp wing]

AL devs said they dun wanna make op botes tho

like super yamato

[coral wren]

With those stats on their paperships that would be interesting to see

[hot creek]

If its IJN, they will make them op.

[sharp wing]

Like Izumo

[safe meteor]

when will USS get a faction wide buffer?'

[sharp wing]

Highest tech bote in game

Izumo Taihoe and Roon are 3 T9 tier ships in tech tree

[coral wren]

izumo here is just as shit as in wows

same goes for all pr boats i think

[safe meteor]

think USS fleet would be good with a USS version of Bismarck/Nagato?

[sharp wing]

Waifu is waifu, so i dun care anyway

[coral wren]

i don't know who pays who, but there is something fishy with balancing pr boats

[sharp wing]

uss already have buffers, but they are all fuccing CVs

[safe meteor]

werent those 6 pr ships from a collab?

[hot creek]

Azuma is just disgusting.

[sharp wing]

[safe meteor]

and Izumo is just mirroring how "good" she was in WoW?

[coral wren]

wows

not wow

[safe meteor]

oops

[coral wren]

it's a slavic game

[sharp wing]

who cares

[safe meteor]

i forgot one

[sharp wing]

same shit

[coral wren]

But i agree, azuma should be choked to death

[sharp wing]

[safe meteor]

?

[sharp wing]

No bully deredere waifu

If she doesn't fight back, doesn't mean u can do anything

[ionic magnet]

yea just delete azuma

[trim horizon]

Super Yamato

[safe meteor]

whats wrong ?

[sharp wing]

rgt's legit ijn pr bote

[coral wren]

If she doesn't fight back
The moment to take a grip on her fucking neck she blows you away with her 9 × 310 mm.
Srsly tho, jsut wait for the next ijn boat. If it's as good as formi or even better, expect yamato to break the meta once again

[hot creek]

Azuma does slow down their VG a bit though. Maybe would make KGV/Formi/Centaur more valid if Formi/Centaur can't nuke her by themselves.

[sharp wing]

azuma uses 2 gyro tho, she doesn't slow anything

faster than current 2 boiler vg w/ 2 CLs

[ionic magnet]

doesnt that make her eva too low

[coral wren]

By that time there might be a better torpedo planes. The only way i see how you kill azuma is torpeding her

[sharp wing]

She is a fuccing BC

she doesn't need eva

[ionic magnet]

[sharp wing]

she needs to hit enemies

[coral wren]

360 no scope

[safe meteor]

BC?

[sharp wing]

She need to get close up and personal Real Fast

In any case, even w/ 1 gyro, u will get same speed as current vgs w/ 2 boilers

[safe meteor]

isnnt she CB?

[sharp wing]

SHe is CB

But u can just say she is BC in VG slot

[coral wren]

super battle cruiser

[sharp wing]

tbh pocket battleships should be made CBs as well

[coral wren]

zack left once again?

[ionic magnet]

just make your own azuma

[shy hazel]

i have an azuma

[sharp wing]

[shy hazel]

light blue haired girl with pigtails

in a maid outfit

[sharp wing]

[shy hazel]

cocky attitude

[sharp wing]

U dare call THAT Azuma?

[shy hazel]

[ionic magnet]

my azuma is blonde

[shy hazel]

do you know the literal meaning of azuma

My Wife

[sharp wing]

yeah

[shy hazel]

tho its old reading

no one uses it anymore

[sharp wing]

google still translates it like that

[ionic magnet]

oh yea cant find zack

[trim horizon]

http://prntscr.com/p7q45a

[coral wren]

What's wrong with him, lmao

[trim horizon]

I can tag him

[sharp wing]

use l33t

qeq

[hot creek]

You know what, WS Kai/Formi/Centaur might actually still be able to nuke Azuma. Just give WS Kai AP gun

[coral wren]

Theother question is, can they nuke what has left. Fdg is a threat imo

[sharp wing]

sure, but she will target Main

cause of her skill xd

[trim horizon]

either you dev30 FdG or Azuma

[midnight heron]

imma dev30 u

[sharp wing]

U cannot really have fdg and Azuma in one pvp fleet till like a year in

with decent dev lvls

[midnight heron]

damn got a stanly cameo for free today

[coral wren]

Well, true. By the time you get both at dev 30 more retarded ships will come out

[ionic magnet]

oh its z-4-c-k

lol

[trim horizon]

[sharp wing]

Oh, ye. Forgot to look how trash is that free bote

[midnight heron]

finally 3rd stag

now i can run 3 bb

[sharp wing]

Anty Air Mode DD

are u srs

Sirius

[midnight heron]

make their weakness stronger

[sharp wing]

[trim horizon]

5 more BPs for Zara gun

[sharp wing]

these ships get more and more 200iq designs

[trim horizon]

maybe it'll make Roon meta

[coral wren]

@hot creek have you tried aurora instead of sirius

[hot creek]

Shits too squishy.

Also sirius isn't even necessary either

[sharp wing]

[coral wren]

what about helena

[hot creek]

lol

[sharp wing]

[coral wren]

Screw you who mentioned jb, now i wanna try that out

[ionic magnet]

dont blame me, its not as pretty in pvp for sure

[sharp wing]

JB has higher eva than Amagi

[coral wren]

ironic, considering she was crippled and like a stationary target when mass wes shooting at her

[sharp wing]

she was severely bombed by plains in africa too

Tbh, she would make a nice bbv, since she already has only forward turrets, one of projects wanted to convert her into cv anyway

[past egret]

Is Emile Bert retro with frenchie SR DD’s even remotely close to not being shit in pvp

[sharp wing]

any dd aside Nanoda are shit in pvp so

[past egret]

thankayouuu

[sharp wing]

besides that sr dd is gunfocused...

can't even do what DDs supposed to do in there, aka torp enemies

[past egret]

unfortunate

Maybe one day devs will change it

Unlikely but can always hope

[sharp wing]

Emile + 2 rare retroes would be more viable, but those DDs are so frail

they have like sub 1500 hp at 120 retro

won't last even to activate skills lol

[midnight heron]

dont need hp if u rng dodge

[past egret]

I wanted to create a French only comp and try getting carried by Gascogne and Emile but you’re right since the destroyers die instantly

[sharp wing]

But you are not Nanoda

[past egret]

Cockroach

[midnight heron]

cant take dmg if u dont get hit

[sharp wing]

[coral wren]

eh, french only comp is possible if their backline will be strong like hms

But the level of richelieu in that case should be just absurd even in comparison with amagi or ws

[sharp wing]

There is also Jean d'Arc

but if u want emile+dds...

Inb4 Richelieu + d'Arc Junie Nanoda new meta

[coral wren]

Yeah, if only darc gives your front line 20 sec invul and richelieu 20 sec invul to backline on top of some absurd buffs for jean 😄

[sharp wing]

Yeah, no. Rich just should be flag w/ some decent skill/barrage, d'Arck just decent utility like Bel, Sheff or aurora

And more french ships in new event

[coral wren]

You are judging it by the meta we have now, but when they arrive it should be past ws kai and pr2 . Imo, if rich is on bismarck level buffing with that same shitty barrage and aux gun, there is no salvation for those who betrayed vichya

After seeing littorio, i even doubt she will be an attacking ship

[sharp wing]

For those who are loyal rather

We need to see Veneto to make any judgement yet

she will be the flag

[coral wren]

Uhh, i wrote it in a shitty manner, meant french setup will be wreckt even by shitty wasd

Well, yes veneto will be a desicive factor, but they are already crippled by -1 decent bb

2 shields that block 2 torps each, srsly?

[sharp wing]

The more problem is she uses AP gun, also her stats are top of line

there 2 more Bbs in their class aside Veneto too

The Roma ppl where so hyped about, when heard about Italy lol

[coral wren]

Instead they got an ap using gay with shields

what a tragicomedia indeed

[sharp wing]

gae

Well, looking at the rate we get KMS and french event, by the time we get new sub faction ships, they will be utterly overshadows by PR3

Italy new event in 2 years

[coral wren]

I guess you could say: Arrivederci

Poor italiaboos

[past egret]

Italiaboos disappointed me a bit

Outstanding design but still nothing really viable for pvp

[sharp wing]

No1 expected anything for pvp

tbh

[past egret]

I always have a shimmer of hope

[sharp wing]

to beat cancer u need a whole op setup, and we at best can get 1 good pvp bote per event

[past egret]

My new hope is placed in Richelieu and Jeanne D arc being viable for a frenchie dream

[sharp wing]

looking and french PRs

[past egret]

Gascogne I’m going to try out regardless if she’s shit in pvp

[sharp wing]

U can already guess

[past egret]

Gascogne skill seems wasted tho

[coral wren]

Gascogne looks like a boat for stall

Speed buffs

[past egret]

Don’t you have to manually aim for 50% extra damage

[coral wren]

You do

[past egret]

[sharp wing]

At least she has better heal, than Mona

50%

[past egret]

Does she actually

Huh did I misread something on a skill

[coral wren]

That's why jb is a very doubtfulboat

for pvp

Unless rich lets em ignore the fact you have to aim mannualy

[past egret]

Perceptive Suppression Module
When Health falls below 50%: increases own Evasion by 15% (30%) and recovers 2% of max HP every 2 seconds for 8 seconds. Can only activate twice per battle.

Somehow I completely forgot or didn’t even notice this on her

[coral wren]

Is her barrage strong?

[sharp wing]

JB still gains +60% per every 1st salvo and extra crits

[past egret]

@coral wren yea but chances of dev’s doing that when it could be used besides in pvp are slim

[coral wren]

I mean, even for pve that would be good

I'm a lazy person

I want boats to do job for me

[past egret]

Agreed

Unless it’s challenge mode or EX Hard y’all can catch me slacking

[coral wren]

It's her guns, why the fuck do i have to aim for her

[past egret]

“Because you’re the commander and you are in charge”

Back to a pvp related topic I finally started effectively doing the wait before fighting strategy

[coral wren]

I do the paperwork like a good boy, that's good enough already

[past egret]

Been going up 20 ranks each day on average so far

It’s best to wait for your exercises to be at 10 when waiting correct ?

[sharp wing]

ye

[past egret]

Sometimes I’d just sit around at 5 for a few hours and do them

[sharp wing]

unless by some miracle u get so many rushers u can spent over 5 tickets per reset

w/ bonuses

[coral wren]

don't, you want to sandbag

[past egret]

When the season is about to end, last day of the season, does sand bagging tactics change at all

[sharp wing]

I had so much ded resets now, tha all my starting bonus went to shit

[coral wren]

no

[sharp wing]

last 30 secs of Glory

[coral wren]

Just oversleep and don't bother like the rest of us

[sharp wing]

True Sandbaggers

[coral wren]

Where is my "i overslept" club

[past egret]

Either of you guys finish a season rank 1 before?

[sharp wing]

that's too much nolyfe

gotta check pvp list at least once an hr

[hot creek]

Plenty of times.

[past egret]

why do you gotta check so often ?

[coral wren]

check for rushers

[sharp wing]

to get more bonus

[past egret]

What server Phoenix?

If you check for a rusher and see none, do you click refresh and begin waiting again

Is that the strategy?

[sharp wing]

what's the point to refresh? U get very same ppl who didn't move

If u went back in time sure

[past egret]

I used the sirens time travel abilities

[coral wren]

Hmm, you just testing your luck. If you lucky, then those who you refreshed wouldn;t move and those who you get in a new lobby will move within next 10mins or a few hours

If you don't believe in your luck then don't even bother

[sharp wing]

U could refresh some1 just before they moved as well

[coral wren]

Yeah, that's the point

[hot creek]

I'm on Sandy, although admittedly its a lot easier to r1 here than Avrora.

[coral wren]

You are just rolling dices

[past egret]

how long does it take to update that they moved places ? Or is it instantly after a app refresh

[sharp wing]

relog

[past egret]

@hot creek I hear Avrora is the land of ultra whales and tryhards

[sharp wing]

as any 1st server

[hot creek]

Refreshing opponents won't help you if you've been waiting since your initial lobby. In fact it is probably a detriment.

[sharp wing]

I can only refresh after reset if i see some low rank ppl

or sandbaggers i know

[past egret]

I haven’t tried the waiting and refreshing game yet, all I do is do my matches when I’m like 1000 ranks behind someone with a top 40 player, do all my remaining exercises then dip and repeat

[sharp wing]

on ded seasons even 600-1000 ranks diff yield no bonus mid season

unless u can check scores via top 100

it's all hit or miss

[past egret]

would that be because the score difference isn’t very far apart for that range of ranks ?

[sharp wing]

yeah

[coral wren]

be rank 8000 at 2130 points
rank 100 is at 2160 points
story of my life

[sharp wing]

ladder gets very tight

[past egret]

@coral wren did that actually happen

[coral wren]

Yes

[past egret]

Avrora

[sharp wing]

yeah

[past egret]

?

[sharp wing]

it happens on any server really

[past egret]

I couldn’t imagine that being on the lesser whale servers

but if it does that’s crazy

[coral wren]

When some grindy event is up, you will see such lovely pictures

[sharp wing]

or just summer vacation period

[past egret]

Ahhh right grinding for purins and stuff

To LB new ships

[sharp wing]

When school starts it gets more lively

nah, just ppl too busy w/ grind

and don't bother w/ pvp

so ladder gets stale

[past egret]

when isn’t it stale

I’d expect it to be the opposite

Less lively with school start, grind merit for purins during grindy events

[sharp wing]

In reality it's all opposite

During summer we even make breaks for const parties, I usually go on hire xD

or u get some temp members

rankings often also not taken as siriusly

And when game becomes a job u know it's time to quit

[coral wren]

103 form gets mvp more often than taiho with maxed skills
What the fuck

[sharp wing]

taihoe has lower proc chance

[coral wren]

Oh, btw, wouldn't double ryuusei work better on her? If her flooding is quite average

[sharp wing]

well, that's still 2 extra planes too

do skill plane torps have any initial hit damage or only inflict flood?

[coral wren]

They do have, but how much can't really say

[sharp wing]

well, that still helps then

12 extra torps

for bosses double ryussey would work

inb4 she targets prods

but for general i see that having that extra wide spread helps

[coral wren]

Hms needs a boat that will grant air torps chance of crit and crit dmg

exclusively for hms

[buoyant parrot]

Sandy UR or Saint Louis or Baltimore

[ripe latch]

sandy

[sharp wing]

[elder crane]

240 base initial dmg on skill torps for form vs 288×slot%eff for cuda, for comparison
Flood is I suppose 0.3 of that base, which is 72/tick, affected by 120% Aviation (Aviation at time it was applied, so old temp buffs stay and new ones don't count, assuming it works like fires)

Ofc Flood in PvP doesn't eat the 20% dred that normal CV damage does

[stark raft]

That's why I'll be sticking to Cent

More offensive power than formi

[elder crane]

You sure on that

[stark raft]

Yeah KGV WSkai Cent/Formi

[elder crane]

I don't think KGV benefits from either cent or formi
And since KGV targeting vanguard isn't even bad/is wanted from what I hear, not sure if she works that well w WSret/CV over, say, Monarch

[coral wren]

Well, you can do the math, but in the end don't forget that cent deals 10% more dmg as cvl

[elder crane]

12.5% more, relative

80% vs 90%

[coral wren]

On the other hand, i'm not a fan of cent loadout

can't even sync her with monarch or kgv

[stark raft]

KGV yeets VG fast enough so CV can focus ryuusei on backline

I could prolly do KGV Cent Formi as well as soon as she's 120/200

I have Fate 5 Monarch and she usually contributes the least out of my backline

[elder crane]

Does KGV even yeet a good VG though
At least on def she at best takes off 1/2 HP on a ship

Monarch has better syn with the CVs and WSret though

[coral wren]

She struggles against stacked speed on vg

Many many misses

If you could sync her with formi that would be great, but unlucky

[elder crane]

Yeah vs 2 boiler CL/CL/DD, which is what I run, she gets a solid hit like 10% of the time
And even then doesn't smack that hard

[coral wren]

Well, i suppose noone but me and kharnie uses sg+white shell on her

[sharp wing]

KGV ppl just fight mem no boiler vgs

[stark raft]

This has been my benchmark for KGV

that's 2-4 shots landed on VG

12 secs in you're looking at their scuffed VG

[elder crane]

Does she do it with any reliability though, vs a proper setup?

[stark raft]

Hell yeah you can ask most KGV user here

Even then on the rare chance that ppl have enough speed on their VG she only needs to hit once and spread the fire

[sharp wing]

I mean, there like 5% of proper vgs and half of them have 2+ boilers

so who cares

esp on some ghetto server

[elder crane]

By that metric any team can win though
So idk the point

Cause like 90+% of teams are trash

[stark raft]

[sharp wing]

yeah

[elder crane]

Well not any, but you get my point
No point in optimizing vs any team that you crush anyways, imo

[sharp wing]

I mean, i lvl wasd in pvp with no much problem

[stark raft]

I value time to kill in PVP anyway so i can sandbag EOS

Sleep is our only enemy here tbh

[trim horizon]

[sharp wing]

not like +10 sec make much diff

[stark raft]

Ask cay that

[sharp wing]

Well, i don't do 5 matches in last 5 mins

so it doesn't matter

[trim horizon]

trained myself like a dog, I don't need an alarm anymore, I wake up automatically in the middle of the night

[stark raft]

Well, if your fleet can do it you will

[sharp wing]

No, i won't

Cay is good example why

I need to 120 my Eldies, she's been stuck at 110

[stark raft]

Us mortals in wash cant even hit 2600+

[trim horizon]

[stark raft]

My hms can slap any fleet around here

[trim horizon]

260x is just a myth

[stark raft]

[trim horizon]

invented by Avrora players

[sharp wing]

It's all photoshop

[stark raft]

KGV is the lord of cinder

praise the fire sun

[vague token]

[coral wren]

Btw, perhaps it’s kgv who should be replaced when ws kai comes

[stark raft]

I'm too addicted watching Cent commit hiroshima on backlines

[sharp wing]

in most casesyes

[stark raft]

KGV enables that by early vg yeets

Ryuusei also tends to aim middle

So WSkai will hit opposite

Cent ryuusei focus mid

I really do want to make Monarch work since I've invested lots but she needs glasses

[elder crane]

I wonder if you can setup KGV to survive wsret focus

[stark raft]

What would be the positions?

[coral wren]

You may not see monarch taking mpvs often, but without her enjoy eating hiryuu airstrikes over and over again because besides salvos kgv isn’t contributing much

[stark raft]

I'm gonna aim Wskai at Hiryuu though

[sharp wing]

actually that's bs, cause you will make yr second ws proc be eaten by her skill

better aim ws for other flank

[coral wren]

^

[sharp wing]

that's why u need 2 barragers

[vague token]

just use 2 cvs

no biggy

[sharp wing]

ws yeets 1 flank, barrager other hyryuu

[coral wren]

2 cvs is an option, yes

[sharp wing]

yeah

[stark raft]

Yeah I'm not gonna trust Monarch to barrage a hiryuu kai

[sharp wing]

Use Hood

[vague token]

instead of using ryuusei just use cuda since you get backline splash

[stark raft]

Wskai will be the fastest hiryuu proccer

[vague token]

xD

[sharp wing]

lol

[coral wren]

Uhh

[sharp wing]

WSKai is used to make u -1 enemy backline fast

[vague token]

dive bombs? those are whack

[sharp wing]

By targeting ws at hyryuu u nullify her goal

[stark raft]

Is it written in her EULA to do that?

[sharp wing]

YEah

[stark raft]

Then you do that

[sharp wing]

I will, like any sane person

[coral wren]

Well, there is a reason why after ws kai release hiryuu sole purpose was tanking her

[sharp wing]

^

On offense u set hiryuu vs ws for a reason

that's pretty simple

[stark raft]

I'm prolly gonna set something else vs wskai

[sharp wing]

so u don't lose 1 of yr main instantly

As HMS obviously

[vague token]

formidable with beaver/rudder maybe xD

[sharp wing]

lol

what's old BB AP mods?

[coral wren]

That’s why hms was using qe slut as a meat shield in a mirror

[stark raft]

[sharp wing]

ws yeets QE

[coral wren]

Good, behead the queen

[sharp wing]

Little loss

[coral wren]

Yeah

[sharp wing]

Long live the queen

[coral wren]

[sharp wing]

[stark raft]

Nah im gonna set wskai vs wskai

[sharp wing]

[stark raft]

May the better corgi win

[sharp wing]

The one w QE wins

[vague token]

well, if you use cuda bombers you can win the barrage duels

even with essex at 115, i can get my amagi to win now

cause of the extra torp pressure

[stark raft]

cudas on Cent? heresy

[vague token]

xD

[stark raft]

just let her planes crash

VG can't shoot planes down if they die early

[vague token]

only safe place is mid ws kai

[sharp wing]

when ws comes, all defs ryuu top

[stark raft]

Who knows maybe next event they give better pvp viable ships

[sharp wing]

MikasaKai

[elder crane]

I suppose vs WS mid?
But idk, you'll be moving WS anyways, and imo ryuu top is worse vs mirror anyways

[sharp wing]

that's the bait

Gotta make ppl think it's good

tbh it's bad, cause u make WS ALSO move top to safe spot

and u'r fucced

She will slowly snipe down other main

"slowly"

being safe

[elder crane]

In any case I'll be trying out NamaWS and see how well that works out without Zuma or 457

[sharp wing]

gotta force ws either mid or vs barrager

[elder crane]

Next best IJN VG, probs, Jintsuu?
ugh sounds questionable

[sharp wing]

ugh

[stark raft]

Ibuki

[elder crane]

I'll try it anyways
Ibuki I suppose another option?
Any other suggestions?

[sharp wing]

Kraken

sendai

only 3 i guess

[elder crane]

Sendai doesn't have right timing for anything but Nagato Barrage there

[stark raft]

portland

[elder crane]

Not IJN

[sharp wing]

need ijn

[stark raft]

the IJN portland

[sharp wing]

Mogami

[stark raft]

just so ppl can bitch about mogkai

[sharp wing]

nah, it's buki

bestoption

[elder crane]

I've seen Myoukou rec'd by the CN peeps
Sounds wtf to me

[stark raft]

Every 20 seconds: 10% (40%) chance to absorb 50% of damage taken by Escort Fleet for 8 seconds. Effect does not stack.

[sharp wing]

she is hiei of vg

[elder crane]

Sounds a lot like they were memeing (as in "lol glhf not having azuma for this team")

[sharp wing]

Just use Nachi-thot

[elder crane]

Or just, you're desperate enough to go for that skill
Does it even work past her sinking?

[sharp wing]

nah

don't think it wud work

those ijn CAs have some high evas tho

[vague token]

that skill is bad though

[stark raft]

Yeah but they're not Portland nor Roon

[vague token]

like if she's lead

she'll just evaporate

or mid

[stark raft]

they're the true newbie walls

[vague token]

same thing

[elder crane]

Maybe you run without skill lved

And hope it doesn't proc

[vague token]

like if it gave back 50% of the health back

[sharp wing]

lol

[vague token]

like sodak

it'd be good

but it doesnt

xD

[elder crane]

It's also 20 s timer so it probs doesn't matter

[sharp wing]

I mean just run ibuki

then

[elder crane]

VG is half dead then anyways

[sharp wing]

or said mogami

mogami is poor man's PR CA

[stark raft]

Well with NamaWS

do you even need amagi fast strike

[sharp wing]

it's always good to have

[elder crane]

I'll try it out both ways

[sharp wing]

i wanted to run buki anyway

[stark raft]

Well as long as they dont fuck with fire dmg

I will always prefer kgv

[sharp wing]

waifu+pvp bote = op

[elder crane]

Yknow, ignoring skill, Myoukou is almost as tanky as Portland
Just 16 luck and ~150 HP short

[vague token]

who needs fire when you have floood

[elder crane]

I'm kinda surprised by that

[sharp wing]

yeah

IJN cas at 120 are actually not crap

in general

[elder crane]

Oh, her eva is actually higher than Port

[stark raft]

Problem with flood is it hits way too late

KGV fires start at 8 sec

[sharp wing]

even said takos

[stark raft]

Suzuya maybe

Prolly a meme though

[sharp wing]

That's 1 top tier waifu mat

Suzu skill works bad without MG+1

anyway

you will need like 40 sec w/ Mle to proc 1 time

[vague token]

too bad she has no ammo skill to convert sap

=(

she'd be good option for it if she could

[sharp wing]

she needs fast gun

[vague token]

sap gun is the most projectiles per second

so

yeah

[sharp wing]

She needs fast shots

salvos

[vague token]

the skill says landing 8 hits

sap gun has 8 shots

???

or does it mean

only 1 hit out of the gun mount

translation pending =/

[sharp wing]

well, need proper take on that

[vague token]

reee

[sharp wing]

well, 8 hits

so she just needs to hit enemy 8 times

[vague token]

i guess a normal ap gun would double up

so roon gun it is

since SAP gun is bad

xD

[sharp wing]

what if penetrate counts

[vague token]

if it is ACTUALLY hits

like per hit

it would

but translation

=/

[sharp wing]

Just ask JP pps

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

does SAP penetrate ?

probably not

any1 got that gun build

[stark raft]

why even farm such a trashy gun

[sharp wing]

It's not tho?

Best gun for Roon, Balti, Zara

and it gets buffed after maint

[stark raft]

JP notes?

[sharp wing]

It already got +1 damage after hotfix

idk if they will buff more

but on those 3 botes it was good even initial

And CAs benefit from that high burst due to low firing angle uptime

[stark raft]

too lazy im just gonna stick roonguns on em

[finite valve]

more like can you even farm 3 guns before event end lol

the rate is BS

[sharp wing]

Well, no need 3

Not like u ever gonna deploy those 3 CAs same time

[finite valve]

[sharp wing]

But as lazy as i'm i'd like 3 xd

[finite valve]

yeh

[sharp wing]

not to swap equips

[finite valve]

no point switching

[sharp wing]

But it would be few months to even max em

cause n plates and need max other guns

would +10 only 1 at best for now

[finite valve]

[stark raft]

7-2 farmers should have enough main gun plates

fuck aux plates though

[sharp wing]

idk, main gun plates for me in demand atm

cause i'm lazy to switch guns

got 30 +10 only gold guns, not counting purple

wtf i even use em on

30 guns

Oh, this happens...

[finite valve]

waste of plate

zzz

[sharp wing]

Now u know why i never have plates

I got +10 triple 152 us gun even

But it surely was fun on Bisco

[blazing scroll]

[sharp wing]

Lol, got 2 Abers with daily 3x builds already this event

It's rigged

[blazing scroll]

I still haven't gotten a single Cesare

Got everything else tho

My AL gacha curse is happening again

[sharp wing]

Cesare is elite?

I need elite and zara

But i do only daily 3x for now

got formie and abers so far, so pretty good

[blazing scroll]

Elites are harder to get than SRs don't ask me why

[sharp wing]

U tell me

[blazing scroll]

[sharp wing]

2 events in a row a week at 0 cubes cause of elites

[blazing scroll]

oof

[sharp wing]

[blazing scroll]

I still got 300 cubes

But no coins

[sharp wing]

i'm at 60+

recovering after previous elite hunt

It was Birm and next event elite... Teme-chan

that got me crawling w/ 0 cubes around

[shell heron]

nice thing about finishing the banner in >50 pulls. I don't have to worry about it for the rest of the event

bad thing, I'll never get Aber

[sharp wing]

Well, i need to daily x3 builds for points anyway

so i will only do big builds last 2-3 days IF i'm not done

previous events I mostly done w/ daily 3x

unless that dumb elite won't come

[shell heron]

day 1 or bust. and it has yet to fail me for the last 7 events

[sharp wing]

I usually don't have coins anyway

[blazing scroll]

I just do like 2 or 3 10x pulls the first day

Afterwards 3 daily until I get everything

[sharp wing]

I do dailies till 2-3 last days, dun have cubes and coins anyway

Well, before summer it worked always, i dumped 800+ cubes in light anyway

Collabs were bad tho i think

and during Kizu we had secnd build event

[trim horizon]

imagine rolling for Kizu

[blazing scroll]

Imagine getting every Kizu in 20 cubes

[shell heron]

I got both gacha only ones in 20 cubes. does that count

[blazing scroll]

[coral wren]

how's the rush goin so far

[shell heron]

these are a bunch of under lvl 100s on my list so not expecting anyone to move

might as well move now

[coral wren]

Lots of rusher competing in early days so its hard to take top 1

im just chilling for now

[shell heron]

there are smart rushers, that do light sandbagging

[coral wren]

gonna burst through this then sleep and do another rush after 5 hrs

[shell heron]

first 2-3 days then rush

[coral wren]

I mostly wait cuz i wasted my reset

its still nice to see 15 pts than 9-13s

If i manage to get distracted and lose even 1 match, im fked until next season so i gotta be careful

2500 is still 2 gold box or a bulin

[sharp wing]

Well, I had 4-5 ded resets so far, so my 154 start totally went into 🚮

[coral wren]

Lets rush together

[sharp wing]

I rather sleep on tickets than rush

[coral wren]

i did tht yesterday and felt guilty

[sharp wing]

I'm yeeting food

[coral wren]

Im so ashamed of myself

i should've been a good mother providing food for the children

But im slacking off

[sharp wing]

[coral wren]

Not today tho

Mom's awake now

Gonna rush then sleep

[sharp wing]

[coral wren]

[sharp wing]

[coral wren]

Tht new AL pv with ayaya stabbing jav woke me up

Now thats true pvp

An aircraft carrier riding an airplane

Enty's new retrofit

[jovial sedge]

is warpkai on drugs or just warpkai asks for more kai 😄 wait kai II confirmed

[coral wren]

Gonna save those 3 for later

Hopefully tht guy moves

Im out of resets

Also AL devs spoiling granny's retro with the stupid cutscenes. Smhsmd

they did an oopsie

[jovial sedge]

ze well they did indeed or as sadi warp kai II

[sharp wing]

How can they spoil anything if CN/JP had retro for long time

It's dumb tho cause she had retro before war started

[trim horizon]

Farming FGO 24/7 now

[sharp wing]

Her retro was conducted during 1934-37

and Battle for Taranto is November 1940

The masochist inside you called for it

[coral wren]

smh they spoiled it

EN plebs who doesnt play and cant speak crafting table got spoiled like me

[sharp wing]

[coral wren]

Jk i saw her retrofeet b4

Im disappoint shes still refusing to wear skirts

[sharp wing]

No Pants No Problem

[coral wren]

But the fbi

[sharp wing]

In her case No Skirt

[coral wren]

A law abiding shikikan

will get in trouble

[sharp wing]

Well, that has nothing to with you anyway

[coral wren]

True. EU laws doesnt apply here

Commando spite

[sharp wing]

Another one

[coral wren]

Thats a T H I C C bottle of cola

[sharp wing]

[coral wren]

you could land airplanes inside there

[sharp wing]

Her retro looks more lewd tbh

[coral wren]

would be weird if she farted all of a sudden haha.

haha..

[sharp wing]

But she has pants

[coral wren]

Awe

Schrodingers pantsu post retro

[sharp wing]

[coral wren]

Is she wearing one or is tht a shadow

[sharp wing]

Nah

Default more questionable