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I hit 500 before the Loliv2+556 debacle
And then cent debacle meant I'm still sub 400
hey since we're getting new ships soon. I hope they are somewhat pvp useful
or I'll be building for waifu collecting again
Typical for mid season
it's by points. still weird someone 600 ranks below you has the same amount of points
depends on your rank I guess
Mid season spread on points is not high yet but point req maxes out at admiral ranks
yea i wish new ships actually do something new so i have a reason to level them
things get weirder late season. that's when 35 point diff might not be a +1
hecc
Alabama does something. not for PvP, but pretty good for PvE
the reduce torp dmg taken?
but if you mean pvp only. Amagi was the latest "new" ship that really changed things
didn't they nerf amagi before she even came out
like her barrage proc rate was even higher on announcement
hmm not sure about that
I'm gonna need to find the pre release CN announcement to confirm that
Whatever i guess 
So when's the meta lineup gonna change?
well earlier than that should be warkai
"change"
Yeah, even with one ship change
no
its the opposite
she was released with a barrage that was more powerful than what they planned to do
and labeled it as "bug"
then they fixed the "bug"
then it broke like x3
i dunno if the current barrage is still bugged or whatever
I think it still is. Unless the barrage randomly shooting a crappy opening V shape is intentional.
if only it could always be that way
i mean, she still has the busted aimed, high base damage ap not ap rounds anyways

The prerelease nerf was to her other skills
Originally she was planned to have 15% main fleet eva and 12% stat reduction iirc
It's a personal theory of mine that her barrage/stats was uptuned then though, cause devs thought she was too weak otherwise
Nobody knows ofc cause before release there's no way of knowing what barrage looks like (or skills/stats at all, but her skill desc. were leaked iirc)
that was probably it. the translation to the prerelease announcement was that she'll have a barrage
the buff/debuff skills got toned down slightly, but she's still stupid op with all she has to offer
just make all the other debuff ships work all the time X_x
kizuna dd, 8% debuff all the time, every 20 seconds small chance to invert to a buff
the risky business debuff
;)
tennessee, permanent stacking debuff whenever doing damage to an enemy, 1% per aux hit, 5% per shell hit

disturbance shooting would be stacking debuff, like .25% per dd gun, 1% per torpedo
Going to sleep early today before reset because sick
Decides to burn all attack attempts just in case of oversleeping tomorrow's noon reset
Uses 4 attacks and gets rank 4
Refreshes 5 times and can't get anyone



Too much namayuu can do this to you folks 
Wow ye well it got nothing to do with that just look on how they patch this game and be bit objective 



uuu but that ibuki still going strong
hmm pecorine is even leader of my favorite faction in shadowverse swordcraft ... but as always leaders are for gems
ahh another day of fighting hax rng
the underlvled excuse isnt gonna work anymore cuz my core ships r 120 except hiryuu 119
now im certain oath bonuses r bs
hope they never increase lvl cap cuz its just gonna get worse
they'll probably add a separate progression that takes some new resource
so everyone can approach it from 0
xD
everyone else does shit damage
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pvp
so how is karl doing exponentially more
(roon dev26)
it happens consistently in pvp apparently
all skills maxed except for karl's kai skill
burn dmg probably
technically karl refit should have bigger dmg than leipzig
and none dev 30 roon isnt really that good
and why does tirpitz have a shit gun

bismarck as flagship has proc chance to barrage per volley
that gun on tirp should be on bismarck
not like it makes the damage less shitter tho
just use monarch gun on biscuit
gets you more fp, doesnt kill shelling damage, decent reload speed
lol tho
he 120'ed multiple meme ships
with gears stopping at +9
the dedication
its over 9000 vs kiro
Peco peco did you play that princess connect game is it good?
so how do we even know who gets awarded the burn dmg in the results screen anyway
since burns can be refreshed
dunno its just a theory anyways
I dont think the ancient bug of burn damage not being counted at the end is fixed

like rly lul its one of the deeper mysteries of al

should I be spending my merit on bulins or purins?
also i just noticed theres a button for crosswave ad on the login screen 
anything u need
theres no nobrainer pick in merit shop?
I mean like white shell
dats not in merit shop tho
wherein buying anything except white shell is a waste of your core data
there is no merit equivalent
?
no
it's almost like pvp isn't a real gamemode and the merit shop isn't a real shop
:Thonk
@shy hazel his goal is to make bismarck hit frontline with HE gun, then tirp unleashes AP on rear
||its meant for tryhard to flex||
that of course, relies on the front dying before tirpi fires
okay cause I'm only doing it to get merit
and the only reason I want to be high ranked is to get merit faster
yeah the way I see it is free purins
well i think most ppl who do pvp for practical purposes do it for the merit 
^
i pvp to complain how unbalanced dis game is
balance
most of the discussions I see in here are about optimizing your fleet to get it perfect
or rushing to get rank 1st
so I have not gotten that impression lol
lul
me: shows dock
ppl: all your ships are bad and also all your equipment are bad
impyling that spending the time raising and enhancing PvP-only ships and equipment won't negate all the earnings I get from pvp
well some people are meta or bust
to be fair possessing a strong pvp fleet whether or not u care about rank is a nice thing
you do lose merit when you lose
i mean its common sense that pvp in this game is shit
nothing else to discuss but to maximize shit
or shit on other peoples fleet
just replace the o in dock with an asterisk
polish shit
expand dong
that way you have plasible deniability when you talk about your d*ck
lmao
i mean why not
i see a kms fleet
A for effort 
if only pvp gave free dong space
lol
I wish d*ck expansions were cheaper
LOL
new meme
show us ur d*ck and we'll help u
missed
lmao

oof
ofc
lol
Ok then
gplay help is modded properly
I'm the heretic using the ships
LOL
wat
kms?
aqua's friend
yep
probably
oh mad respect bruh
Context he didn't tell you probably

well he showed us ur d*ck
lol
I go about 40/60 with the common Nakaga tho
this guy doesnt reset btw
Positive WR if they're weak in some way
he just..accepts losses
wat
its memestic anyways
Resetting is cheaty
@vague token
hmm p bad but hey atleast someone tried
compete fast
wont call it cheaty if so much of the game mechanics is rng 
RNG is a balancing factor
Ofc B7S is busted if it fires 100% of the time
Which you can assure
consistency
By resetting 100% of the times that doesn't happen
Because plates
but ye his idea is to nuke front with bismarck HE then nuke rear with tirp AP
the problem is bismarck hitting is a lower occurence than even a CV
and if bisko does not kill front
the only way u can claim balance to me if its a real time player controlled match, but dats another topic
And the 410 on Tirp has a really slow RoF, so Bisko kinda doesn't want it
And they hit about as hard as each other anyway in my experience running this since I got it online
realtime pvp would just switch the meta to biggest bombs and parallell torps imo
well
it would just change the problems not solve them
Yeah- player attacks aren't designed to be dodged either
let bisco die then tirpits does 30% more dmg 
the pvp beta or pvp prototype was realtime
That's a thing that happens, Halo
tho its only realtime for the offense
It very occasionally wins me matches
dats y i say realtime is another topic lul so i wanna stop dat discussion 
doesn't bismarck buff gets removed
no
bismarck buff does nto require "ship is afloat" iirc
i rmb someone posting a vid of tirp doing like 7k dmg to backline
I remember first day bismarck sunk and roon lost the buff effect
Yeah, Bismarck and Tirpitz buffs DO stack
It's more mitigating the bad news that is "Bismarck sank"
so Martyr Bismarck strat confirmed
seems more like a last resort tho
I hope one day your Wehraboo desires are satisfied
¯_(ツ)_/¯
I wished hood never sank
and then see what they will brag about
probably nothing and then cease to exist
have you considered adding jun and ykkz to your VG
hood retro would just be QE powercreep
i see
I know what the copypaste metacancer frontline is
I'm deliberately not using it
i use it and i still get rekt 
I do like Nakaga in WOWS tho
so uh, thats my excuse
by that I mean Nagato and Kaga
Sure
no akagi in WOWS
wow
WoWS is the only reason I bothered leveling Gneisenau
do they hav big7 in wows 
Yeah, it's called overmatch memes
Most nose armor they see just does nothing and dies

tl;dr it's hard to defend against 406mm guns
*410
well then next question: r there firework guns in there 
ya
German BB guns never hit anything
just regular flak
imagine memeing ur enemies with fireworks
You can take an Atlanta or smth to just lob a constant rainbow of shells at them
Kinda similar
lol

they only got atlanta and flint
yeah and they did not pick San Diego
utterly disappointing
@young trout btw my fleet is no longer T0, that is now taken by Namaryuu, so dun hate on me
I'm not doing that, you're doing a different spin
What I'm doing is probably T2, yeah
But the Metacancer Copypaste variant is T1
But I'd rather be T2 with a fair fleet
oh, the variant that uses the typical meta vg with KMS main
umm
its all fair
all meta comps can beat each other
Yeah, and Roon instead of Sanrui
the problem is if you wanna fight my nakaga your vg is just outright vulnerable to me
big, heavy, slow ships that dont evade much
Yep, unfortunately.
I have to bank on them killing yours somehow
They should be tanky enough to last through one strike
One
And that might just be the way of things.
lv120 dev30 roon might survive
i have proven the DR is just insufficient considering just the sheer weight of dmg i carry
Sure
evasion works a lot better
just run rudder + boiler
and run
I plan to do that for Spee, believe me
you move like a snail at that point

bai
Nice talking with you all

but then he took a namaryuu to the knee
out of spite of meta
lulul
namaryuu in my experience isnt too bad of a pain
at least, when i finally closed the level gap
Hiryuu kai just make cancer a bit stronger, doesn't change anything that we have atm
And before some brainded start whining about the order we get patches, aside from global events, we get stuff in same order, as JP servers
stella and but that game is not en localized is it
ye well and not know-all asshole cos patches are differently implemented ... so its not same experience asian al community lived through
its getting personal in here 
ye cos of princess connect ill learn jap
tho i personally find reading jap/chinese characters a pain in the ass
i mean in the end its better thing to do than play degen waifu game
add korean in there as well but its not like i speak those languages except chinese
its just very different from how u read english
i think he means en can patch differently but we dont need to get
y in here
or you calm down and rather bring normal answers instead every single time putting some subjective evaluation in it
Subjective here is only yr whiny ass lmao
sad Ive tried but you are proving more and more that you are complete human failure 
lol

U tried to be dege as much as u could, yeah 
hard to argue with full retardation
Indeed.

wait what eva up
yea theres trashy eva up talent
RIP
+3 eva max rank 
Helsman
those symbols dont rly tell u much till u inspect
language is a problem to me whatever
my work is about finance and handling japanese documents anyways
onr of FP buffs have AA icon

technically i have translator license

wow god roll lul

hax
ikr
i never even touch cats
ofc u dont touch cats unless u a furry

also who made dat list
iirc it is considered mem list
those cat pics tho
Also still question about hw those -air strike affect ambush chance
just make ambush to be more likely to be ambush fleet instead of air raid
depends on how its coded
Well, that's the question
more imptly tho is the small chance worth it
one of em apparently has a chance to negate air strike
its almost negligible because it relies on a stat
that will make the boost only like what
3% at max

depending on the map
yeah
maps have initial "threat value"
or how is it called
The higher chapter, the bigger value
Ah, chapters have 2 values: Map Survey Value that affects encounter rate (aka safe movement distance) and Map avoidance Value (aka chance to escape ambush fleet)
if those cats gave 100% evade then i'll use them 

That would be rigged
And bishu would be actually good

It's more about her retarded lvl 3 skill tho
idk her skill tho
lmao
see dis is y i ask
And her SG skill only at lvl 2
quite pointless to use these cats if u can just use better buff cats instead
Well, on the bright side she reaches her top performance on lvl2 skill only after 1 dupe 

cycats
god rolled buff cat = goldbat
well
we dont need to think of terms for them
its not for pvp anyways
we only think of he weird terms when pvp is related
baga 
and then 1 fine day they decide to implement it for pvp 
yea dat definitely doesnt sound wrong in any way


does sandy kai have any use in pvp?
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u can use her against nakaga >:D
I think sandy is best of the class in terms of AA but in a meta where the strongest line ups are only using 1 carrier or less... she's not really that useful... she's only useful against triple carrier or maybe 2 carrier fleets
Junie already covers AA, and vs foxes Bel more usefull anyway
non foxes 2cv+ comps are meme anyway
Smoke screen bel is good
How do you get the most leaderboard score in pvp battles
Is it random
Is it attacking the highest level enemy
Is it attacking the highest battle score enemy
Is it attacking the highest fleet power enemy
Is it the durration of the battle that counts towards the score
Is it the ships remaining alive on your fleet that count towards the score?
check pins, scroll down a bit to PvP mechanics for details
(and there is some stuff about scoring that isn't known yet)
your score depends only on 1 thing. point difference between you and your opponent
And not ladder Rank, but the pvp score (poins)
Cause some ppl get confused
each 35 score difference yields +1 bonus to default battle reward score
so many questions in 1 post lul
Sad


35 score *at end season
iirc, admiral ranks
before that it's much less, unknown exact value
Would nice to get some numbers for early in the season. Should keep note if I manage to get a top 100 on my list next time
???

wats there to flex in gameplay help lul

Yo, does the "put the squishiest ship in the middle" thing still apply in PvP?
Kinda, your mid will get splashed by torps though so off tank is kinda better until your VG wins
and when your lead VG dies, the middle one then tanks most of the hits next
But given life expectancy of squishy ships, mid imo still better
Most have Jun lead though so it depends more on what VG you have
those don't last long enough for the "lead ship dead" case to matter, and trailing ship before then takes more damage (enough to kill them usually)
Well Jun isn't actually that squishy
Compare to the real squishies of Aurora, and, erm, Aya I suppose?
Sendai technically as well I suppose
Well if your mid is Nanoda does she really tank shots? 
its more of a case to case thing imo
atleast for aurora i prefer to put her mid yea
mostly cos she can die after 20-30 secs
her job is done already

Yep ppl with PR have Jun lead with pearl, others have mid/off pearl
she will often sink before a lead juneau
so yeah 
I still think leading with PR is better, especially if it's Louis
Lead Jun in Aurora team is already very 
@ionic magnet let me flexing with best resources ever
okay thanks guys
I learned a lot of shit from the pins, plane hp is quadrupled what lol

yeah, AA damage is only useful for reducing crash damage
vs an actual setup you'll shoot down only a few planes
and almost never before they drop bomb/torp
Oh yeah, does Lucky E increase kamikaze damage?
jun lead is really bad for def but its perfect for offense from my matches
idk I find mid to be much more consistent
no random torp/Nagato barrage deletions
would be nice if we can put different gears for off/def
and w 1-2 engine she's squish enough to sink at a good timing there
Oh yeah, does Lucky E increase kamikaze damage?
probably yes
yea id go with jun mid also if im not using aurora
for me position dont rly matter cuz lul ai

Most losses with Aurora team are in part due to a Jun deletion early
With stall, leading Jun, that's an issue too
though since my pref nonPR stall is Sheff, lead Jun there is mostly fine
dats y sheff is waifu 

So they actually give York retro before part 2...

Hey I'm already buying cat boxes with spare gold
Can probs afford her retro
Does mean I'll probs have to start X-2 HMs soon, this'll put me below 20 gold cruiser BPs


I think so much Sandy people in here

Avrora gang
I farm 8-2 all the time now
I use sos for SR farm
Got 8-1 DD from HM pretty fast, but 8-2 is stubborn
Haha you said se

CN/JP have PR BPs in Medal exchange
I thought about pvp shop
is sanrui good for pvp
she is a soft counter to aurora
you don't need her
but not good in most scenarios
she takes a lot of time, not worth for what you get
idk seems pretty tanky to me
35% HE seems sweet too
depending on how many barrages trigger sub 20, belfast is far tankier and helps the entire team
and has similar damage due to her own HE skill and CL guns having less restrictive firing arcs
isnt 155 going to miss alot tho
Not at dogfights
you'll hit at least 1 shot
whats a dogfight lmao
even at longer ranges you waste very little damage

CA guns miss a lot more
compared to mle just not being able to lock on
also note that CAs have lower base accuracy
especially against speedy VGs
compounded with the fact that sanrui has 0 base luck
compared to belfast she's down 8.8% hit rate purely from luck

Basically PR1 is skippable, if u not in HMS ghetto 
u mean PR2 isnt?
well monarch is skippable too tbh
PR2 has Azuma
Well, for PVE that's other question

And on the other hand u won't really use Azuma in pve
my personally belief is that belfast/aurora/sheffield/nepnep are the best options
id take monarch over roon for pve
belfast if you think they gonna barrage every time under 20 but not after

lol
Sanrui is decent. There are times where she outlives my ykk
oh, i forgot ibuki for the torp
yea shes still a very good tank
But that just means she didn't NANODA hard enough
personally the torps are more reliable than sanrui's gun
xD
covers more area
more odds of hitting
Kraken 
you also get 2 chances before pretty much anyone shoots you
or puts up defensive skills
sanrui acts as 2nd ykkz basically
while sanrui typically barrages into smoke
Double waves of torp with crit up can decide the vg fight in the first 5 seconds 


Maybe im just biased because I already invested a lot into sanrui 

When i get nep dev30 and fate2 min, and she performs better than sanrui
Sanrui is going on dock overwatch duty 

does washing machine on backline works
it's BiS for eHP
or am I better off with SG
i also invested a lot
u can put rudder on flag
xD
SG vs rudder is ~7% eva rate/hit rate tradeoff
Funny to see those Ryusseis miss/no damage
its mostly preference
She's been oathed 
dev30 and 200 aff in 1 month or so even used cube research
used 0 times in PvE beside the aff/lvl process




got +1 and then r1







For that 5 seconds of fame
not sure if anyone else noticed but ive gotten a few matches whereby enemy backline has 1 enemy left (most of the time either the top or bottom) and my hiryuu only launches like 3 torps instead of 9 or smth
Is Sandy-kai numbah wan in PvP yet?
no 
What'd be the best current US vanguard that doesn't involve Juneau?
none cuz all r trash

they sad
that's some next level meme
I want to believe that Essex/Enty/Ranger/Sandy/Aurora/Sirius could have some merit.
It's probably not true, but I want to believe none the less.
That just sounds like slower foxes to me
New pasta announced

:s
More potential damage than foxes I'd imagine.
CA
hmm elite yea?
oh
What boat is that?
Into the trash she goes.
no S = rare 
Looks like a camilla clone but im all for it 
The River class is a ship class of British-designed frigates built and operated during World War II. One hundred and fifty-one frigates were built, and these were operated by seven different nations during the war.

sounds meh
Rare, so trash alrdy
inb4 its rare dat beats ssr 
Phx in pvp
Dont expect these ships to be any decent in pvp
plenty of rares are better than prinz

be very afraid
leip is rare xD
So she's shop ?
event reward
Wat rarity was the DD
oops there goes a match
got into a fight on gw2 xD
it's fine essex isnt 120 yet
nor baltimore
just getting free xp so
That ship looks like camilla from fe lol
or other games ;)
Life of a memer. 


true man of culture
meh
dis is da first time i cant understand wat u sayin
Then: sandy good
Now: sandy bad
uh talk about overanimation
proportions 
who cares tho its make believe 
she is cute tho



waiting for formidable 
with soft landing 


Lusty got a rival
White vs Black 
Add RNGer to make it a 3 way 
Red joins the fray
I didn't see this coming
rng too big tho not my type 

im low on moh also just cuz no event = no farm

Feed medals to Waifus
gimme
It's a closed cycle
U make medals from waifus
Then feed medals in form of food to waifus

Feeding waifus directly would be too gore

Had to farm a bit to get gold book today and get to 0


o.o
add rnger to make it red
victorious definitely brings the red personality already
I don't think that's necessary
Dunno even how timo react to this
i had 4 bonuses last night before i ate that loss xD
I missed 2 resets 
victorious is actually nuts change my mind
how did u lose...
ay not everyone pays attention to the game all the time
just run a comp that doesn't lose
even if you run "the best" comp its still purely chance based
40% barrage, 70% barrage, amagi randomly criting someone and one shotting them
u can only to certain mirrors tbh.

i mean im leveling essex and baltimore
U can lose if u put amagi vs amagi and rng 
i got distracted so
i mean if u don't position properly it's ur fault
lol
2k+ crits
I mean u know how ppl lose now
those are full rng 1/6 to hit the one you want
my poor CAs =/
eating barrage damage
They are poor indeed
i only really lose if i'm like 0-2 nagato barrages and amagi not using her too once

die before hiryuu qq


what kind of sandbagger loses to level up ships...
Sara looks disappointed
the type that doesn't care much about rank?
i mean i was trying to watch
why even bother sandbagging then

did you win there at least

so you lost in both games





anyway

no PR BPs in medal shop yet
