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you dont waifu your god

relevant; I got jesus orb today
Anyway that qe dress is very nice thats why i bought it over sodako... and in that im a man of culture
sodako is better but who uses her these days 
do u oath a lvl 120 juneau just for some aa and hp? still dunno if i want or not tbh
i mean you should technically
just put oxy on her then
I use wasd
eh just oath her its not like it will suddenly make her immortal
vote juneau u ass
But thats also why i bought monarch skin yest also... since muricans turned to meme its sad... supposedly strongest navy of world is meme
uss are best ships for w13 sadly
She will never get skin anyway... as it was stated many times people dont.like jun they just need her skill and thats also just for pvp
xD

im pissed
japans items tax will go 10% from 8% next month so
too much work
fixing taxes

uss are best ships period** ftfy

and as well all know IJN was pretty shit irl
enty is still basically the best cv
but IJN is top tier in pvp 
not rly
according to meta
ijn is still one of the best navies of the time
IJN is gone lad
cant just match american industrial muscle
now it's the JMSDF
enty is tied 3 ways for best carrier i thought lol
tied to who
essex 
and Hiryuu 
really
oh you're talking solo cv
we're talking overall I thought
i said solo 
essex is a good cv for her buff. the dmg difference in between essex and enty is not even fun
Well basicly big e is unbeatable if it procs thats all
OWARIDA
@jovial sedge do you use fairey fulmars with ark royal?
i had 120 oath enty vs 116 essex im w13-1 boss and enty dealt almost 200k dmg vs essex less then 100k
and also aa nerfs
which hinders more enty because of essex dot
centaur is good but as dmg she cannot keep up with essex. i used them together for a while and very rarely centaur out damaged essex. then again centaur is amazing for her slow
Nah my ark got some random stuff like heccdiver banana and ryusse

Get ready for the "Why my SandiKai not instawin"
Shit my sandy isnt winning



Mmmm, Yama event got SR cat today

I want to try to,build a USS fleet for the lulz so Sandy kai will make a fine addition
Are US a joke to you? 
Ark for PvP setup is banana+fulmar if you want to combo with mk6
For comboing with CVs it's much more forgiving
At least until we get beacon, which helps clean up timing a lot
Just use Cent 
Actually Ark loli memes is all i remember about Ark in pvp lol. Dun remember seeing her even in Autumn
But is mostly cause ppl promote her loliconess and rest is fading
not gonna visit trophy room for 12hrs 
gonna put my 2 meme VG;s on pvp
sandy now retrofitted and
roon dev 30 fate 5
Rofl sandy meme i hit build 1 ship light build ofc its sandy
SandyRoon
Well i kinda didnt even consider ark for pvp expect my epic def fleet... im llving cent anyway but bananas and fulmar hmm
Might try it
Ark for me was waaaay back when
Was trying her out with WaSD not long after Wash released
Basically she was terrible in that meta cause enty and eldridge
Still think she should get her dark ark side finally or kai
Afterwards there were just too many good ships to ever really run her
And I uncapped her somewhat late, she still is 116 for me
she has like standard cvl stats
Her divers slot being behind torp slot always piss me off 
oh wait nvm she has like 400 avi
I wish Ark had standard CVL stats
More reload would be so nice, since these days I use her for the slow mainly anyways - but she always seems to load just a tad too slowly for my liking
Quit

Basically you use her in the flex spot either Jun/ykkz or aurora/ykkz leaves
And then wonder why you did that since it's no longer CV meta
Her DpS is nice though still
Well, w/ double ryuuseei she can do some good damage
unless it's high lvl world anyway
Dont got 2 rip
Just use taihou lol
I hate torp focused CVs in pve anyway
I rather go double diver anything
RNGer 400k damage 
Its more like matter of liking ship taihou is also
but its on wait
She can loop her resets, right?
ye
There is no limit
her double damage reworked to be timed buff too
once she procs double, all looped chainstrikes become double damage
The nuclear war begins 
🤔
not as big diffetence as last time but still pretty high
Well, accounting double damage of Enty, Ez does pretty good
essex needs time for her dots to rack up too
dont most mobs get cleared
before you can get a bunch of ticks?
her damage is just coming from the raw hits
so is sandy kai going to dominate pvp or something lol
sandy MIGHT help you against foxes
but if you're running hiryuu
shouldnt really need sandy
sandy does very little in pvp especially witout akaga being relevant
Junie deals w/ Akaga 
Lol someone said amagi for brainded pvp

Matches too short for her DpS to come into play to it's full potential, her squishiness to nonaviation is somewhat of a liability (esp since she gets affected by aurora)
And her AA doesn't help too much since it's not a CV-focused meta
And ofc she's not sakura (or any faction with a real faction buff atm)
AA avi dred really needs a rework to it :/
kek
i think with airspace control at least pve is pretty balanced for cv

they actually feel like they can do dmg even on single target
balancing cvs by ransoming your bb damage
Were you? 
i don't even think cv dmg is the main problem in pvp. cv just dropping their load and missing too much on vg and the difference in tankiness with bb are worse things
i mean i took unicorn or lusty for boss xD
It's the eva scaling difference with PvP and PvE too, yeah
Same issues with DD survivability
the main problem is there isnt a cv version of nagato and amagi
if Essex didn't get limited by Enterprise she may have dominated pvp in an alternate universe
eh essex isnt that bad as an alternative to owari da in pvp
especially since she has a lot of no rng modifiers
Essex in PvP designspace was basically Nakaga-counter I feel
if a cv would drop db bombs on main instead of trying to hit vg with them the meta would be much different
lel cv mechanics changes
fixing torpedo bombers would help too
the only way cv will ever be relevant in pvp is by changing mechanics
Or releasing OP ships :P
allow US CVs to fill the backline 17 times
I mean, anything is "fixable" by powercreep
here's a carrier with 10k base hp
op ships will only make viable op ships not cv in general
Just bring Cent 
The number of BBs that are actually viable is pretty low tbh
It's already OP ships viable only meta
jus win 
The average BB I'd say is not actually any more viable for PvP than the average CV, I'd go as far to say
is the overly centralized meta going to get better with time?
or is it going to get worse?
worse ofcourse
not a central part of game play
just give CVs barrages ez
they don't balance with pvp in mind I take it?
lol no
In competitive it's basically impossible to create diversity without someone competent trying for it
CVs pretty much must have a barrage to be decent
AL doesn't have anyone competent and isn't trying, soooi
sara has two barrages but no torp bombers so rip
are zeppy and sara the only CVs with a barrage?
Yet here we are, a CVL with a barrage + CV stats 
...funny that they're a loli and a literal child
so
there's a lot of cv barrages
it doesnt mean they have good ratios
ark royal has a cv barrage
it does squat for damage
sara's torpedo barrage does squat for base damage
but it does apply debuff
that certain elf cvl is a cold war ship
centaur and essex have the strongest ones i think
in terms of raw hit damage
also helps that in pvp centaur has a lower damage penalty
as a cvl
taihoe lol
i mean
Most CV barrages deal at best 1/3 of strike damage
Meanwhile lol BB barrage that deals about as much/more than guns
BB salvos tho 
kek
coin flip at its finest
Yeah BB salvos are pretty pepega
no aim/prediction stat in game
big rip
no selectable movement pattern for more strategies
also big rip
It's why the average BB isn't actually better for PvP than average CV
yea i agree
well
bb barrages either hit straight opponent backines or have a chance to hit both vg and backlines. cv barrages just drop more stuff trying to hit vg
if heccdiver wasnt BIS
Well at the very least you cant shoot down shells 
cvs wouldnt be that amazing at hitting vg
Hmm, does that mean that what needs to be fixed is actually barrages?
2k bomb is both the largest aoe AND the highest base hit chance
Like slap a 50% penalty on all BB barrages for PvP 
so dive cvs cover huge amounts of screen space
imo just targetting on bombs or torpedoes need to be changed
a 50% penalty on all bb barrages wouldnt be fair to all bbs
for cv
fix torpedo bombers
is a big why
Actually I'd say that puts her more in line w her PvE performance
AL is designed with terrible ships anyways, not gonna fix that without making new game
xD
like a global nerf cant be used
because that just boots all bbs down when not all bbs need to be nerfed
basically
the problem is when 1 cv is viable in pvp pretty much
Well same thing with BBs
There's like 1-2 nonbarrage BBs viable for PvP
Even within BBs Barragers overperform relative to PvE
It's targeting again
Where fixed targeting is a huge bonus for PvP but arguably slightly worse than aimed for PvE
i mean gunnery aim should be a stat
Well, that's a full redesign
yeah xD
You're basically saying, "make a new game"
And there's no way devs are doing anything new for PvP as far as I can tell
Eh, even without procs taiho feels good enough
changin bombs priority is a much easier thing to do in pvp considering is a pve thing too
i mean it would help with pve a bit on the stages with moving enemies
You want them to rewrite big chunk of code, that already brings em money, without giving em extra money
An easy fix, maybe, is put main fleet at "boss" priority and VG at "elite"
i mean i dont think it'd take that much rewrite
Company cannot
but i dunno how they do their rng movement
Means every inital BB salvo and a large number of bombs aim at main
Still issue w TBs though
id rather they make it based on the gear type
tbh I think before suggesting any change for any game, you first have to consider: Will this play nice with the spaghetti code?
Again, no drastic changes
so if you want to aim main, you can opt in to, and if you want to aim vanguard, you choose
Well, in PVE, bbs already aim for elites 1st salvo
Because every single game has spaghetti code
eg AP guns should focus main
they could balance guns around spread, projectile speed, accuracy etc instead of just having 2 OP guns in the whole game and every other gun being garbage.
Well more like, "how hard is it to implement?"
In pvp the problem is humanoiud target priority makes every1 priority
Anything not simple is a no-go
unlike pve
seeminly simple, not-hard-at-all things can in fact be unfeasible due to spaghetti
if backlines just aimed at each other what will vanguards do
Nah boss and elites have diff priority
So humaniod priority difference already exists
Only affects first BB salvo though
That is just in pvp it's all same priority
Idk about how it affects bombs
that also doesn't sound hard to implement
Yeah, that's the point
Simple changes or using already existing mechanics that already handle such things
Idk about weight stat, what do you mean it already exists?
But no1 gonna do that, because
- it's irrelevant for PVE in PVE game
- no1 cares about PVP
- no1 pays for that extra work
- that extra work bring 0 bonus income
Elite*
i think that what he means by weight
Yeah, boss > elite > production
For first salvo
Withing group, is random
Also something similar to it exists for bombs

Weight is one thing, humanoid target priority is another
Priority is a subcase of weighting though
among priority targets weight might also be concerned
na, priority is typically strict
weighting is still rng, but you have more odds for some and less for others
It's what happens when you skew weighting to the limits
Like u have 3 priority humanodi targets, but have diff weight
For now no such thing exists for AL
like cyaneko datamined some have actual weight
Warkai just introduces subpriorities
So they will still choose on weight within priority targetds
What, afaik he didn't

well, there jsut was weight
so ofc it prioritized main
over lighter vg ships
But most barrages are non aimed anyway
Idk what you're on about
What weight? Attached to what?
who cares
Ships don't have a weight stat
weighted as in uneven distribution of chance
for me at least
eg a skill that has higher odds of targeting main
but it doesnt prioritize them
eg there's still a chance it can target vanguard
I think Sag is confused here
Weighted =/= irl weights
i think im confused here
I mean ship weight
;)
There was a stat on guns
that wouldn't really help cv tbh. if ur bombs still land in open water is still 0 dmg even if rng
No ship even has an irl weight stat in AL
Or guns
Idk what you're on about
How dead are your lists 
6/10 30min left of reset in jp. so i guess not dead
There's literally no weighting stat attached to any ship or gun or barrage that I know of
It would have to be a special mechanic on a particular gun/skill I didn't look at, which I doubt is more complex than "target X" where X is a classification that already exists
Or are we talking about a proposed mechanic?
#deadlist-chat

U know CN coders, they can't even write comments without mistakes
in EN
in they 🍝 code
skins make em money
not writing proper english doesn't mean u cannot understand what u read
IDK how they even learn coding
so they dont give no fucks for feedback
if it's not a bug i don'y think they do
Kancolle mobile when? 
too outdated
let em start from making pvp shop useful
well, ofc
now i understand where the ijn bias is coming from
did en ever got their own devs?
um?
@stark raft lol Kancolle has been on Android for a long time. Rip iphone users tho.

diff region only get's localization team, devs don't change

Well, some games, like GFL, get a bit diff take on global version tho
But still devs the same
well
tbh, hk is low cause pl just dun have that time to play it, unlike regular gachas
isnt hk like an actual action game
it is
hk make my phone hot.
my phone has vapor chamber cooling 

i wonder why some devs are super anti emu while AL devs fully embrace it lol
because some are tight ass and some aren't lol
I've noticied a very distinct trend in game devs/publishers, wherein some view piracy/emulation as lost sales, while others see it as inevitable and treat it accordingly.
gbf earned 400m iirc
its technically japan only tho
It was more of coding
u need to code it every update
"template"
It's like coding (hacking) game for 4gb+ ram support every update in Old Days 
Same shit
Well, u can template ~50% of it

I emulated FGO for awhile two months ago. NOX devs are pretty relentless when it comes to bypassing FGO's anti emu checks lol. Then I stopped emulating after my friend told me they ban people for it lol. Didn't even realize some devs were so anal about emulating because AL devs are so chill about it and Nintendo doesnt really care if you emulate Feh either.
FGo been playable on EMu for long time
its like playstation chnaging masterkey every week
again
is what people in pricon discord say
Well
in the first place
As i say, i done that shit to some games in old days after each update, so it was for different matter
u get banned if u get caught
Ofc..
people in hk gets banned every week
Man of Culture
pricon has official pc port
dmm app
Then if it comes to en it won't be Shittaku at least
for different uses
gbf is still the best when it comes to portability
li even saw nokia 3310 gbf gameplay

sure, open browser play
crazy
basically any browser game
And there few popular nowadays anyway
like gbf, kc and what?
some DMM games 
playing KC on mobile browser can actually be dangerous and get you banned if your cache isn't handled properly
Kc has mobile app anyway
most pop games have dmm versions
well, ofc, but talking about browser ones
If only it was EN
japanese ones
I just can't make myself play moonrunes games


Nutaku is like a place, where u send things before graveyard
and it ruins everything w/ p2w even if it wasn't p2w originally
u sure know your stuff

i havent even touched nor is planning
to try that site
its just the usual annoying ads
that i knew about it
Sadly, it's only way to play some of DMM games in EN, and they shut down few of em already
Cause they are like nexon, if it becomes low profit, let's shut it down, no1 gives shit about players
And yostar translation comapred to Nutaku is like heavenly scripture
Lastest jackass move from nexon was real heartblow
Think every1 heard about Peria Chronicles cancellation
Hmm since yamashiro looks/grows bigger in thst free costume cant even tell them apart with fusou... still they are there for fan service
Isn't everyone hating nexon and gives 0 fucks about what they do? Including peria chronicles
Well, some games makes u play even on nexon servers 
Unless u want play mmo in moonrunes
And w/ barely playable ping
But in general, ye. Won't touch a game if it's nexon
For peria i would bear even w/ nexon tho

Some another asian anime mmo that no one plays?
Kind of
finally can get rid of the 2 sendaigo dupes in my dock
its meant to be
so ive done it too rainbow sandy

srsly some ijn inside job never clicked on any ijn research so far 30 more bps than other ships on ibuki
but just notice omg pr ships gets stars with bps >< can u even lvl them without dev?
Yes because your Dev lvl is capped based on normal lvl
U can lvl ship to 120 with 0 dev tho
Only dev gated by lvls, not otherwise
qeq, got prince w/ few of cubes left after Teme-chan

Eh, Academy chibi can spawn w/ costumes u have not equipped 

DD
thats DD
What's name?
no wonder there are no black ships around

The Soldati class
The ships were named after military professions
hey this one survived the war


so she should be half decent at least
RN Cops


she a loli and she's also the police

also why DD's have always a socks less longer
lmao reading Soldati-class names
so 
for roleplay
lvl ur Lussty and WS
mine is 119 already
ws at lvl119 too
does sandy timed barrage dmg base on SL?


oh there's the patch notes
And again pages not in order
skins limited time

again

i always liked kirishima but she's the ultimate meme
BP too l00d

I got bp from daily build

kirishima is usable
decent enough for mob clearing
and ijn tech point 
not that she's bad, but she possesses the ultimate meme power
of FULL SCREEN fireworks
or like almost full screen
Half screen
kinda wish the barrage always hit the same area no matter her position in formation
like FGO

lel
yeah
Fuccing TRAP
I just threw 160 euro without getting anything


Pretty much FGO for u
that is big oof
Grand Ordeal
jewish game
I rerolled on J'Alter banner, got 1 acc w/ 2 SSRs
but quit anyway again
I think i quit it 3 times by now
it's a slot machine for pngs and some mp4 in it, not really worth
YEah
Well, Initially i quit when it stoped working on emu
I still have a list somewhere w/ acc codes xD
That’s interesting, new faction frame obtainable not through cube whaling but farming shit with those 4 ships
Ajax and WS are happy
yeah, that's part of JP anniv kidna
My ajax already maxed, won't use her
wish achiless was useable
But Lusty and WS exp gotta come in Handy
Well, that’s some benefit from being a hms user. Ws is already all maxed and ready
not gonna touch Lusty even with this mini event
And i bet many HMS users dun have ws maxed
my only maxed hms is sheff 


Which is weird, before kgv event it was basically qe ws and monarch.
http://prntscr.com/p1sued hey guys is she good for PvP
if enemy using ca 
sanrui counter 

can they even kill sanrui before she kills them lol

I believe in Ajax
wdym IJN anyway
And they are not gunboats
if sanrui misses a lot ajax will miss more because sanrui is faster lol

engine booosto
Well, Mle targeting vs moving targets is real crap
we'll never know... we'll never know...
xD
I'd like to see pocket battleships vs ajaxes tho
sanrui in pvp 
My Desuland put WS to shame
on 8-2 hm boss
engine boost into torps 


sandy eldridge triomphant

special barrage galore to confuse ur enemy
and mask ur shells
left bewildered wondering how they got rekt

so a worse jintsuu
double oxy Dorsie
xD
Well, from that point of view sure
good old ijn bias ;)
here's a royal navy
does x
here's the ijn version
does x way better
xD

best growth PoW and Hood
Her black costume actually makes her kinda flat


Reverse growth

Same w/ Casual Dunq costume
Gotta not forget to use shrine visit before maint, wonder if it will be kept post maint tho
its called a concealed carry
Look above i posted comparison 

This dress so...

I mean, she is short technically...
And if u come up close...
Let's say it doesn't hide anything 
KGV have a similar kind of dress

Well KGV has saber syndrome

Eat lots, gain lots 
Surcoaf in nutshell
her dress bothers me. chest is diagonal but dress is front
well
She's standing at a slanted angle
not too surprised about yuugure. IJN have base skins with very loose chest areas

AL magic
like yuubari and yoizuki
Weight distribution and gravity 

how dress holds itself without nip slip


IJN bias

dress has steel wire inside
And this loli is way too... "grown"

ye

count me in
was like, do i look like a ship to you
Even low levels have been rushing
Kiri and Jupiter perma now



Dege privilege

I was thinking what Alba reminded me about... Her and Shigure special touch 
I sec aff farm them w/ shrine buff
Is that 168?
yea


Did u oath Ajax by any chance 

Lightshot
Well, I'd oath them just to name xD
U play in pc ?

afaik you can't
What's the point anyway

U can disconnect and bind fb/twitt accs to any yostar acc
Yostar acc is just perma thing

Hmm, let me try it
More safe guest acc i say
you can bind multiple acc to twitter at least
Take Yostar acc as a guest acc
Thanks
Do it
I dun even have cubes for one of those lmao
I keep doing 1.2k comm and can't raise my oil
gib me it. I have an excessive amount of cubes

Me too
I need that, only 30 left for max fate nep
Always comm 1,2k oil

by excessive I mean 1470 
after Sanrui I just slacked off
Casual he says 
U are not alone
sanrui 30 before monarch 


I have only 20s
i hav none 
Just have ibuki D30
one with the rest being dev25 or dev 20s
I got only 2 20 and 22, rest below 20
Some people have all PR D30
Well, didn't convert any bp
it's ez if u 🐳
Lol
Just spam 30 min cube comms
Yeah be like
u get all fate 5 no time
220+ ish BP should be 20 or 25?
just spam every cube project you see
If u have much money
easy fate 5 on everyone
I used cube research on Sanrui
But i get to 0 cubes 3rd event
wasn't worth it at all 
I have 350 cubes now
No shit i do cube projects lmao












