pvp

[shell heron]

I always assumed the torp's hitbox is large enough to hit everyone

[vague token]

nope

only if everyone is clumped

because they arent moving

or wiggle

in which case everyone is probably about to die from shelling

xD

[cerulean estuary]

we need rainbow boilers

[sharp wing]

u got gold boiler

[vague token]

gold FE

become immune to fire

xD

[cerulean estuary]

hey why gold , theres rainbow

[shell heron]

I need to look at top ranker's positioning again. I thought I saw ykk being center more

[sharp wing]

i never seen her center

[shell heron]

later, not now. all casuals atm

[vague token]

i tried center, doesnt work well

oh the other thing is that sometimes you can sacrifice mid to a big seven spawn

when you've pushed into main

ykk usually cannot tank the spawning of big seven

but sanrui has the raw hp to absorb most of the hits

which means ykk gets another chance to torp

or eat final counter

[shell heron]

I can try it this season. Sanrui is 117 so she's not too underleveled

[sharp wing]

Also yukie almost never outdamage Bel, even if she lives 2 tmes longer

[vague token]

ykk is 100% always top damage vanguard for me

[sharp wing]

yr VG succ

[vague token]

partially because rainbow torp is almost always 100% synced to sara's escort fleet

[shell heron]

she lives long enough to torp the back once

or twice

[sharp wing]

yeah

[shell heron]

and they eat all of it

[sharp wing]

still doesn't beat Bel

most of time

[vague token]

sanrui usually has trouble breaking 15k and sits around 12k most of the time

on triple light

because her gun angle is eww

[sharp wing]

same as Bel

~13k

[vague token]

and that's with escort fleet boosts

[shell heron]

I want to try 818 on hiryuu. that slow was a little annoying to deal with

[sharp wing]

can't let go of that ryussei delete power

[cerulean estuary]

ive seen more aurora and jintsu , than sanrui or meme roon

dunno if they still doesnt have lvl 120 dev 30 of them

[shell heron]

I got tired of watching a whole wave of torps fly vertical

[sharp wing]

sanrui just feels underwhelming

[shell heron]

Aurora is picking up popularity, not a bad idea

[cerulean estuary]

its in between aurora or belfap

[vague token]

sanrui is underwhelming

[sharp wing]

not like you have problems beating auroras?

[vague token]

her sole advantage over bel is not getting eaten alive by aurora

and her evasion is kinda silly

[sharp wing]

I wonder how much you get to reroll

[vague token]

id probably have like 0 problems with aurora if i bothered with nagaryuu

but im a meme

so

i eat those rerolls

xD

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

ill become biggest meme once essex is out

i will go even further beyond

[wicked rivet]

20 mins to reset

[sharp wing]

so ded

[shell heron]

so very ded

[sharp wing]

cemetery is more lively

[vague token]

when was this added

or is this a community emote xD

[sharp wing]

[wicked rivet]

lets see how this goes

[sharp wing]

y33t

[wicked rivet]

juneau stronk

[vague token]

juneauFlex

[sharp wing]

[wicked rivet]

and its ezpz cause the vg died fast af

[vague token]

heh

nuclear torps

[sharp wing]

torp meme got outmemed

[wicked rivet]

dev30 buki is a demon

[sharp wing]

buki is 1 thing i don't like fighting

[wicked rivet]

if ur gonna torp meme at least use PR

[sharp wing]

buki kawaii

[wicked rivet]

best girl

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

torp meme wouldnt even be a problem if cls didnt get 20% damage amp

stacking multiplicatively with jintsuu's crit amp

_>

[sharp wing]

buki*

[vague token]

if ibuki got CL 20% boost

oh god

not even counting jintsuu buffs

just the 20%

[sharp wing]

sad that buki has no buffers

in pvp

[vague token]

i mean she gets hit/reload/fp from nagato

so

hit being the most important

[sharp wing]

all get that

torp buff

[shell heron]

not ded, someone moved last minute. sandbagging powers activate

[vague token]

still dead for me

[sharp wing]

unlyfe activated

[vague token]

x_x

[sharp wing]

It's so very very ded

136...

[shell heron]

136 sounds...average

[sharp wing]

another season wasted

[shell heron]

time to get some damage numbers

137 start. could have been worse

I was 126 last season

I mean 137 is terrible for 2nd reset start

[vague token]

139 here

or i can play more fire emblem and get distracted more

;)

[sharp wing]

[shell heron]

Amagi still very fair and balance btw

[vague token]

lel

[shell heron]

I guess one with Nagato actually proccing her barrage is more comparable

but not a good test on if ykk survives longer as off-tank against memeish comps

they're leveled, but it's more for damage number testing

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

Junie most vg damage or go home

[shell heron]

let me find a nakaga and we'll talk

she'll shoot down all them planes

oh right, testing 818 on hiryuu

forgot about that

[sharp wing]

Beat my 14k Junie

[shy hazel]

14k solo jun

[sharp wing]

14k damage

[shell heron]

my sanrui refuse to be called underwhelming. It will be the day when junie takes mvp in a match

[vague token]

xD

[sharp wing]

That's because you dun love Junie as much

I want a 10 slot dorm second floor

[finite valve]

why stop at 10?

make it 12 and we have a deal

[vague token]

id prefer 15 personally

[finite valve]

99 then

[shy hazel]

U can have a dorm

I need the whole shipyard

[shell heron]

oh look a 30min nep project. I really wanna try nep in PvP soon

[vague token]

i think nep should be superior to sanrui personally

but it'll be a while before i can test that

/outside of aurora

[stark raft]

Nep decent

Barrage hits backline easily too

[shell heron]

I would imagine her being a better belfast outside of nakaga matches

[vague token]

AP+ chunks light armor just fine and has better firing angle than CA guns

and her heal makes her more durable than sanrui outside of aurora

and tanking main fleet aux guns

[sharp wing]

OwO some1 pushed top 7 on list

[vague token]

owo

share some points kthx

jk

[sharp wing]

When u get more points after rank up, than before rank up

[shell heron]

another redemption arc alright. nobody moved at all

[finite valve]

[shy hazel]

i think ima quit pvp

[lament lichen]

[finite valve]

shouldn't have care about pvp in the first place

[agile badge]

just use it as a tool for free exp/stuff from the shop

[finite valve]

i mean if the reward / system is robust enough then i would see pvp as being "fun"

as of now its just shit in general

[vague token]

rewards would have to come before mechanics rework

otherwise 0 incentive

[finite valve]

just wait for co op or guild war / world boss tbh

since CN JP don't care about pvp

doubt they going to do shit about it

same as collection reward

0 improvement

[shell heron]

The shop is not consistent enough to justify playing pvp for rewards. You will still end up with more merit than you will ever need

On another note. Junie outdamaged sanrui

[vague token]

xD

[shy hazel]

i need to play society more so maybe i quit pvp

tokyo made me fashion conscious again

[shell heron]

Sims: RL edition

[elder crane]

Took me long enough... for the other epeen

SOON

[vague token]

owo

why does it say unranked still

does it have to update later or something?

[elder crane]

I just finished and it hasn't updated

[vague token]

gotcha

[elder crane]

It's kinda funny, that I actually can't really manage a lower score than the one I got
Cause I'm so shit at dodging I barely survived the 1:30 I needed for this clear even with a somewhat defensively stacked team

[vague token]

ah

[jovial sedge]

🤔

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

big

oof

oh wow, denver

cool

[cerulean estuary]

u need this kind of clock though

[trim horizon]

rip

[wicked rivet]

yeah same I missed one too

[midnight heron]

getting tons of food in exchange these few days on sandy lul

[trim horizon]

lmao

[shy hazel]

[coral wren]

First season when i see a dead lobby after a dead lobby, what the fuck

even considering there is an event going

[midnight heron]

rng at its finest

[ashen silo]

how good would be sandy retro in pvp?

is she that insane

[steep fog]

but CV comp is pvp is now

[sharp wing]

sandy retro is not AA boat only tho

she gets DD MG+1 and 2 barrages

[midnight heron]

but is it useful on meta def

[sharp wing]

She can easily replace Bel or whatever

[midnight heron]

time to test when it comes out then

sadly mines only near 110

[sharp wing]

I will grind her to 120 only if i decide to oath....

[midnight heron]

i use her for asw

[sharp wing]

yeah, i sued her for that too, till she hit 100 aff

[midnight heron]

still need 19 ships 100 aff for medal

[sharp wing]

Well, pr farm adds a lot to that list

tbh, i wouldn'r even use 90% of those ships

Birm still refuses to come home

[steep fog]

rip

[wicked rivet]

which medal?

the 50?

[sharp wing]

200

[steep fog]

I felt asleep missing 5 charges

gg

rip this season

[midnight heron]

100 medal actually

200 is insane

[sharp wing]

there also 150

or waiyt

100>200

[shy hazel]

all of u r losers

[midnight heron]

[sharp wing]

As you are

[sharp wing]

They call swordfish dive bomber in 818 description

they extended border till 28th

[shell heron]

Another week added

[sharp wing]

same as with german event

guess q.q was dire

At least i can not rush Birm that much

daily builds it is

[shell heron]

Even with the original deadline of the 21st, still pretty insane for san juan.

[finite valve]

got endless mode but no border for reward

lel

what comp are you guys going to run?

[shell heron]

SP?

[midnight heron]

no idea wat it does and wat it gives

[finite valve]

is basically boss rush endless mode

[shell heron]

Oh "new" content

Dunno yet

[finite valve]

it gives nothing

just a chat border when reaching certain milestone

[shell heron]

Makes me want to work on my roon faster

[midnight heron]

does it use oil

[finite valve]

no

[midnight heron]

then obv ppl gonna use highest lvl ships

lolol

[shell heron]

It's still gonna be EX mode mechanics

[finite valve]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrVEQSSunlI

is endless mode so you need to use that same comp for all fight

[midnight heron]

oh this

[finite valve]

just meme torp comp not going to get you far

[midnight heron]

i pretty much wont get far till months later

[finite valve]

i say jb amagi + healer back line

can flex amagi but healer + nuker are mandatory

[midnight heron]

will see once i even get a full fleet of 120 ready

[sharp wing]

that is another 100% pointless dumb ladder

same as event ex

which almost no1 does anymore

Sandy didn't have even 100 ppl on ex ranking few events, lol

[finite valve]

at least endless give you a chat border

good enough

[sharp wing]

not like i use chat borders

oath border >>> other border

sadly oath border incompatible with other borders

[midnight heron]

gotta collect em all

[sharp wing]

kms border too edgy tbh

tho i like black+red

That's my regular color scheme

[midnight heron]

waiting for ijn/rn border

[wicked rivet]

Same @ ijn border

[sharp wing]

waiting for chat text borders

[wicked rivet]

I need that ijn medal tbh

[sharp wing]

which medal?

academy?

[wicked rivet]

Academy medal

[midnight heron]

20 lvl 120 ships

[sharp wing]

heh

that's too much

[wicked rivet]

Im at 4/20

[sharp wing]

I don't live in game

[midnight heron]

gonna take me a year minimum

[sharp wing]

[wicked rivet]

Same

[sharp wing]

I got 2 medals maxed tho

[wicked rivet]

Same

[midnight heron]

its weird tho some medals max at bronze

[shell heron]

Ijn might be one oh the easier ones. 7/12 atm

[midnight heron]

or smth

[sharp wing]

the drop medal gonna take ages too

[wicked rivet]

Almost done with dailies medal

[midnight heron]

makes them look likeshit

[wicked rivet]

True

[shell heron]

More like meta is IJN biased so more reason to get 120 on IJN

[sharp wing]

almst done with dailies?

[shell heron]

My akaga still needs 120

[midnight heron]

almost done = 1600 more dailies

[sharp wing]

I'm half way on dailies lol

[wicked rivet]

Dailies medal

[sharp wing]

1758/3200

dailies

how can you bee ALM OST done, lol

[midnight heron]

dats like 5 months of dailies

[sharp wing]

i have gold dailies medal that is

platinum is far away

[shell heron]

1639. I skip every enhance gear daily

[sharp wing]

pleb

[midnight heron]

was rly hoping they wud count ship drops retroactively

[sharp wing]

that would be too much

[midnight heron]

makes me feel like those gold ship farm i did was wasted

[wicked rivet]

I'd have gold one already if I wasnt gone for a week

40 more

Plat will take another 2 months

[sharp wing]

there platinum on that one tho

2?

you have math problems

[wicked rivet]

4

2 was gold

Only 27k decor tokens for plat

[midnight heron]

long ass way for me

took almost a year for 30k

[sharp wing]

18.6k tokens for me till plat

41.4 k atm

ppl on Avrora and Lexi should have much more

Sandi started month later

[midnight heron]

i started end of oct so how u get so many

[sharp wing]

lol

I'm on Sandy too

Well, I started when Sandy opened w/ Eu (and Australia and Sea) region release

since at 1st it was only NA

when Avrora and lex launched

[midnight heron]

yea but u hav 10k more 😮

[sharp wing]

well, 1 month more

[wicked rivet]

I started in september lmao

[midnight heron]

dont think u can earn so much in 1-2 months

[wicked rivet]

34k ish

[sharp wing]

And i never bought token packs

[wicked rivet]

I earned enough to to the full bisquick set starting at 500

Same

They're not worth

[sharp wing]

and i have 2k tokens atm, Medal counts only Spent Tokens, now owned

[wicked rivet]

I needed ~150 per day and I got more than that

[sharp wing]

So i can be at 43k

[wicked rivet]

True

Same

[midnight heron]

still insane af

[sharp wing]

~43.5

I will spend when after 3k

I bought all items that add comfort already

[wicked rivet]

I could be at 40k but im at 37.6

Still need 60k for plat

[sharp wing]

aside gem ones

[wicked rivet]

Yeah

Nothing gives comfort anymore

[sharp wing]

I will hit 60k by new year

[wicked rivet]

What u at?

[sharp wing]

if we get enough dorms

[wicked rivet]

Me2 hopefully

[sharp wing]

[wicked rivet]

[midnight heron]

[vague token]

going for top 10 dorm? xD

[sharp wing]

I only missed the summer dorm, that launched in August, cause well, we got only week or so of it on Sandy

Hope it gets rerun

[midnight heron]

not sure how u guys earn so much but im pretty sure i had to miss 1-2 event dorms just cuz i didnt hav enuf

[sharp wing]

you do daily night comms?

[midnight heron]

and i do commissions religiously

[sharp wing]

[midnight heron]

the disparity is just too big for an rng difference

[wicked rivet]

I missed a few sets near the beginning of when I played

[sharp wing]

Probably u don't do comms good enough

[wicked rivet]

^

Git gud

[midnight heron]

not possible

[sharp wing]

I only missed that summer august set when Sandy launched that is

[wicked rivet]

I missed that one too

Hope it comes back

[sharp wing]

No way to earn tokens that fast

tbh

that extension for Sandy launch

[vague token]

im at 36k but i have 6k tokens sitting

[sharp wing]

19 dorm sets owned kek

Kiro around me, 1k less

[midnight heron]

yea im not sure wat im missing but i only hav 34k tokens in total

[sharp wing]

And you started in October? Probably not gut enough in comms

[vague token]

[midnight heron]

like i said i do commissions religiously

[sharp wing]

I have no explanation for you

U are way far behind

1-2 month don't cut it

[midnight heron]

dats y im confused

[sharp wing]

u are like 8k tokens below with like 1-2 month less time

[midnight heron]

unless hq gave out tokens in mail theres no way

[vague token]

a few times

not many

[sharp wing]

max they give, is like 100

and it was very few times

and you probably got it too

cause it was not early on

[vague token]

they gave us like 10 coins as patch warning

last patch

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

xD

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

or one of the recent ones

[sharp wing]

I remember they gave us 100 for some milestone or something

fb event?

[wicked rivet]

Less effective commissioning

[midnight heron]

well only a survey will solve dis confusion but i doubt anyone wanna waste their time

[sharp wing]

well, only way is less effective commissions

[midnight heron]

yea but u gotta be more precise wat u mean by less effective

i dont believe my commissions r done halfassed at all

[sharp wing]

[wicked rivet]

You need to maximise your comm uptime and decrease your time between completing and finished as much as possible to optimize your commissioning dormitory tokens

[sharp wing]

I mean, long comms only for sleep time and work travel

[wicked rivet]

Those are all worda

[sharp wing]

rest times u do short comms

[midnight heron]

well dats obv not possible due to timezone

[vague token]

it's probably that then

[sharp wing]

Well, i'm EU too, so it's bad for me too

[midnight heron]

i get late night comms at 12pm

[wicked rivet]

I get em at 11pm

[sharp wing]

those night comms are way off time

I get em 6 am

[vague token]

pst bois, 7 or 8 pm

[sharp wing]

So i Usually waste a lot of night time w/ short comms

Unless i rush regular comms till the point 8 hrs regular ones spawn

[midnight heron]

so u can say its pretty much same as me

[sharp wing]

then i set 1-2 for night and daily comms in the morning

Luv these

[midnight heron]

rarely get those

[wicked rivet]

if I dont sleep till 3pm I can usually get a couple long ones in before the limited comms

[sharp wing]

TBH, from what i observed, they spawn during events

when u do event stages

[wicked rivet]

its random

[vague token]

man i havent seen a gem comm in a while

xD

[sharp wing]

i got few recently

A lot of this shit spawns when clearing event

[midnight heron]

sad its not guarantee drop

[sharp wing]

Well, i don't clear regular maps usually so

Outside event stages, i only do dailies and HM

Then switch to other games

[wicked rivet]

and limiteds dont spawn from dailies

[sharp wing]

yeah

So for me it only spawns from event stages

I got ship comm yesterday too

launch ceremony

[wicked rivet]

nice

did you get sandy

[sharp wing]

literally, event stages spawn a lot of these rare comms

Nah, it was elite comm

they can be rare and elite too, not just SR

[wicked rivet]

I know

[midnight heron]

dont even think ive gotten a ship drop out of those

and even if i did i wudnt know

[sharp wing]

But all these comms are good oil/gold and tokens // time

[midnight heron]

cuz i just spam tap commission rewards

[sharp wing]

extra rewards are just bonus

Like this gold box gives 15-20 tokens in 6 hrs

and a lot of oil

[midnight heron]

either way how im getting so few tokens remains a mystery till i at least get more opinions

[sharp wing]

few comms like this, and u can be hundread tokens ahead

Also i span 1200 comms outside event, which gives 0 tokens

So that makes it even more strange

[midnight heron]

yea those tokens r guaranteed rewards as well

[vague token]

oh, just got navy devotion medal

that was random

[sharp wing]

devotion?

[vague token]

daily missions one

[sharp wing]

ah

[vague token]

gold is 1600

[sharp wing]

I'm on my way to 3200 long ago

[vague token]

3200 total for rainbow xD

[sharp wing]

1758

[wicked rivet]

1664

wait

[sharp wing]

Oh, medals have dates

[wicked rivet]

1564

yea they do

[sharp wing]

got 1600 7/31

[midnight heron]

yea its at least 5 months of dailies

[wicked rivet]

then I'm exactly a week behind you

which makes sense

because I was in the woods with no internet for a week

[vague token]

i skip the enhance gear daily like every day xD

[sharp wing]

that's early September - end of July for 1600

[midnight heron]

nah

[sharp wing]

or it doesn't count

[midnight heron]

it only started counting when medals was introduced

[sharp wing]

so like June?

when we got medals

[midnight heron]

dats y i talked about the ship drop medal being not retroactive

[sharp wing]

ye

[midnight heron]

was it june tho i cant rmb

[sharp wing]

drops is one thing

[midnight heron]

always thought its earlier

[sharp wing]

but missions are stored in profile log

[wicked rivet]

5/20 was when we got the medals

[sharp wing]

oh

so 2 months for 1600

welp

[wicked rivet]

yep

[midnight heron]

so my estimation was off 😮

[sharp wing]

[wicked rivet]

so 4 more months for plat

like we said earlier

[sharp wing]

well, 2 more

[wicked rivet]

I said 2 months for plat and was like hmm

wait rlly

it doesnt start from 0?

[sharp wing]

for me even less

no

1600/3200

[wicked rivet]

im a baka

[sharp wing]

Scores never reset

[wicked rivet]

okay

so 2 months

[midnight heron]

damn if it start from 0 im dead

[sharp wing]

Should get it end September

Imagine Tokens medal would reset scores

60k from scrap

10 years

[midnight heron]

im 1745 and i never missed a daily

[sharp wing]

probably missed enhance or something

those gear enhance can be pretty skipable

[midnight heron]

idk i tried to space out my gear enhance just so i can clear the daily

[wicked rivet]

oh god

resetting dorm medal

[midnight heron]

see dis is y i hav trust issues

[wicked rivet]

I'd rather have akagi stab me in my sleep

[sharp wing]

Akagi cannot hurt skk

[wicked rivet]

and akagi is my least favorite yandere

yea she can

[midnight heron]

dis one is worst

[sharp wing]

She can lick you at best

[midnight heron]

i dont even hav 300 dock space

lmao

[wicked rivet]

wdym worst

[sharp wing]

It's easiest

insta unlock

[finite valve]

get a ship then scraping it work lel

[midnight heron]

u cant get 300 if u cant even store 300

[sharp wing]

U need only have them unlocked

[midnight heron]

thing is i dont scrap uniques

[finite valve]

so even if you don't have 300 you can still get it

[sharp wing]

in archives

[midnight heron]

context matters

[wicked rivet]

Buy dock space

[finite valve]

just whale some lel

[midnight heron]

even then im not even close

[wicked rivet]

[sharp wing]

Does yr medal number matches unlocked ships number in collections?

[wicked rivet]

dont disconnect while looking at a medal

yes

[midnight heron]

yes

[sharp wing]

qeq

So u don't need 300 dock

[wicked rivet]

medal # = collection #

[midnight heron]

i already explained y

[sharp wing]

ye

but it's strange u don't have 300 ships by this pioint

[wicked rivet]

^

im at 311

[midnight heron]

missed event bruh

[wicked rivet]

400 ship medal when

o

rip

[sharp wing]

there 345 ships in gmae

[midnight heron]

• theres still 4-5 map drops

[sharp wing]

misisng 1 event doesn't cut it

or few boss drops

u can miss 40 ships

[midnight heron]

yea im saying rng screws u over

[sharp wing]

[midnight heron]

just cuz i participated in event doesnt mean i get the ships lul

[sharp wing]

well

[wicked rivet]

tru

[sharp wing]

so far, i haven't missed single event ship

[midnight heron]

unless all u guys got every event ship then yea ofc u gon get 300

[wicked rivet]

i missed

colorado

mullany

and every single ijn event sub

[sharp wing]

collabs don't count anyway

and i haven't missed those too

inb4 Birm fcks me up

Elites fck me up many events

80 cubes for Harutsuki etc.

[vague token]

oof

[midnight heron]

missed 8 event-only ships dats not added to normal build pool

[sharp wing]

she was worth it tho

[midnight heron]

so u guys r still lucky af

[sharp wing]

Nah, i have pretty shit luck w/ event builds

[midnight heron]

even if i add those 8 im still at 294 lul

[sharp wing]

Also Bismark drained me down to below 10 cubes for few days

[midnight heron]

wait does retro count

[sharp wing]

should not

but collection counts retro?

then they count

[midnight heron]

well shit dat explains a lot

[sharp wing]

for fleet power ranking retro = mlb ship non retro

but collection # counts all

[wicked rivet]

yes retro counts for coll%

[sharp wing]

most collection i'm missing are retroes tho

[wicked rivet]

thats it

[sharp wing]

basically all rthose ijn dd retroes

[wicked rivet]

I have most retros

[sharp wing]

cockroaches

I have no gold for that

[wicked rivet]

f

[midnight heron]

my problem isnt coin lul

[sharp wing]

missing 13 retroes

[midnight heron]

its i cant even be bothered lvling them to get to modernisation

[sharp wing]

well, that's why i do 1200 comms

[wicked rivet]

missing 11

but 2 are fusou and yama

[sharp wing]

i did those 2

[wicked rivet]

and they're at the final retro part

[sharp wing]

and i have halfkai dupes

[wicked rivet]

so I could be at 9 missing

[midnight heron]

im missing about 30

[sharp wing]

i'm getting Ise to 100 aff atm for IseKai

and London also missing coins and few lvls

[midnight heron]

now u know y im not at 300

[sharp wing]

well

missing 30 retroes...

those common retroes were big help early on

[midnight heron]

yea but i started on like the last week of vdir

didnt matter by dat point

[sharp wing]

doesn't matter

they are still very good

even if u start now

[midnight heron]

yea but ever since then it was event after event of op ships

wasd etc

[finite valve]

well you can start now

[sharp wing]

Well, u cannot just run all op ships

with max oil costs too

good thing about common retroes they give performance/oil of S tier

[midnight heron]

barely matters for me cuz i dont hardcore farm

so i end up just lvling the better ships

[sharp wing]

well, me neither

[midnight heron]

its pretty much no going back until they stop with new events

[sharp wing]

But still having, like leander and RNGer retroes retro

is common thing

[midnight heron]

i hav those

just not the others like langley etc

u get the idea

[sharp wing]

well

mogami and starters

hyuu

ryuu

chinawall

[midnight heron]

meta chasing is fun amirite

yea i pretty much hav all those

[sharp wing]

wait, ryuu no a thing]

yet

shouhou

one of main retroes

[wicked rivet]

I have rows of botes at 80 and 85 cause of retro

[sharp wing]

Well, most my retroes are either closing at 100 or are way above

[midnight heron]

now im just tryna get at least all ships to 70 for mlb

[sharp wing]

fleet power buffs

[wicked rivet]

the ones I use are around there

[sharp wing]

70 mlb is a thing too

[midnight heron]

close

[sharp wing]

Well, i even use HMS common DD retroes

they were my asw fleet before PR grind

[midnight heron]

dock space is preventing me from claiming bataan + cavalla

[sharp wing]

qeq

[midnight heron]

till i mlb current event ship

[sharp wing]

[midnight heron]

otherwise i cant even sortie

lmao

[sharp wing]

Feed poor Akashi

[midnight heron]

soon tm

[sharp wing]

yeah, dock space is only real thing not too f2p friendly in AL

that is, if you not one of ppl, who only keep op botes and scrap rest

which are like bigger half

[midnight heron]

its not that i dont wanna spend but the other gacha i played kinda made me rethink about spending for gacha

[sharp wing]

or mayne more like 2/3

well, ye

spending on something needs a think

I only spend on 2 games atm

1 of which i play for over 6 years

[midnight heron]

[sharp wing]

lol, this is new

[midnight heron]

not sure if i can even stick with a game for so long

[sharp wing]

Well, some games i played for much longer

Like i still occasionally play RO and other stuff

[midnight heron]

jesus christ its jason bourne

[sharp wing]

Well, not talking about not mmo games

there much older stuff

[midnight heron]

regardless still impressive to me that ppl can stick with a certain game dat long

[sharp wing]

Well, mostly cause there actually really few good games

and many games are just killed by publishers

So u prefer to stick to older game w/ good publisher, than new better game that is made a cashcow

also, communities differ

[midnight heron]

ive never even reflected on how i got by without sticking to a certain game for an extended period

seems i just jump all over the place

[sharp wing]

well, there those periods

But after some time u go back to settled places

[midnight heron]

mhw will possibly be the first

but just maybe

obv if u only consider gacha then i got nothing to say lul

[sharp wing]

Well, there also some times, when you play game for few years, go on hiatus for few years, then come back

[finite valve]

the only old game with a healthy playerbase + communities atm are ff14 and wow

[sharp wing]

u call ff14 old?

[finite valve]

[midnight heron]

rarely play mmos now cuz im tired of grind

at least AL isnt so intensive

[sharp wing]

well, ff14 can be considered old actually, 6 years

there non mmo games, that are much more grindy

[midnight heron]

nani

[sharp wing]

besides u can play mmos casually too

esp the ones, like gw2, were there basically no gear hype

[midnight heron]

well from those handful i played u cant be casual

[sharp wing]

2 year old top gear will still be good today

[midnight heron]

if u wanna play endgame

[sharp wing]

Or games like Tera, where u farm each new gear set in few weeks and chill for few months till enw update

[midnight heron]

those being cabal, tera, soul worker, echo of soul

tera isnt like dat anymore

they just keep on forcing u to upgrade

[sharp wing]

Tera became too casual nowadays anyway

[finite valve]

tera is dying cabal is dead dk about EOS tho

[midnight heron]

no upgrade = no endgame content

[sharp wing]

Tera is a joke today, lmao

[midnight heron]

locked behind paywall essentially

[finite valve]

soul worker is so so

[midnight heron]

dats y i stopped 1 year ago

[sharp wing]

remember back in the days of shandra hm we had 5-6 const parties on servers able to clear it

now u can pug any hm

what a joke of a game

[midnight heron]

teach me how to pug hm for current content lul

[sharp wing]

well, wf been not better after steam ;launch

and NA tera and wf are about same age

same casualization tendencies

[midnight heron]

idk i just keep hearing wf is gud

[finite valve]

i stop wf at the end of loki prime

[sharp wing]

And it all starts when game comes to steam

[finite valve]

unlimited nerf work

[midnight heron]

but i just cudnt get into the game (as in cant get invested)

[finite valve]

they just love to nerf everything to the fucking ground

[midnight heron]

early game felt retarded

[finite valve]

when the game is so fucking repetitive

[sharp wing]

Before steam it's all good, more closed community, hardcore game. Then comes steam, kids whine, game difficulty drops below ground

[midnight heron]

u can hav some vet come into ur game and aoe melee everything

and im like ok wat do i even get to do then

[sharp wing]

Those are not "vet"

actually

vets won't abuse broken melee lul

[midnight heron]

well i wudnt know cuz im still a nub

[finite valve]

wf is the only game where i see the community are split between the "having fun" and "being efficient"

[sharp wing]

After they broke melee i don't use it out of principle

Well, i cannot have fun in wf with nonefficient noobs

[midnight heron]

i cant even look past that fact and i stopped playing LOL

[finite valve]

that's the point

[midnight heron]

dat nonsense just turned me off completely

[sharp wing]

I have to solo most of things

cause pugs are too dumb

[finite valve]

DE just say hey we don't like you "exploiting" our game

so nerf everything to the ground

[sharp wing]

solo faster than pug

[finite valve]

after that i was like fuck wf

cya

[sharp wing]

DE started all this bs after steam community...

before steam it was good hardcore game

well, same as tera

[finite valve]

depend on what void you are doing

[midnight heron]

guess all mmo destined to die

[sharp wing]

yeah

[finite valve]

most of the time i try to farm t4 S

for cores

[sharp wing]

you mean the keys?

keys are removed now

[finite valve]

yeh\

since i left after loki prime

[sharp wing]

we have new system

more casual...

[finite valve]

i know

[sharp wing]

no more t4 voids

and more grindy too

[finite valve]

you know what grind my gear the most in wf?

[sharp wing]

ppl think that lvl 100 is endgame

[finite valve]

not being able to change polarity of a formaed gun / frame

[sharp wing]

lol

that would be silly

[finite valve]

you are fucking LOCKED into a forma

[sharp wing]

you even have 6+ forma frames

[finite valve]

i mean it is good if they don't fucking NERF our frame

so need to re formaed for a new build

[midnight heron]

< is

[finite valve]

like trinity for exp

[sharp wing]

that's what happened to my normal trin

[finite valve]

they nerf her mana build

[sharp wing]

over the course of nerfs over 6 years...

[finite valve]

which make the polarity useless

so need to re forma her

stupid

[sharp wing]

well, it's not nerfed

it's different

[finite valve]

it is a nerf tho

[sharp wing]

EV is upgrade actually

[finite valve]

since i remember they said that the "change" was to counter how effectively / abusive in raid

[sharp wing]

You jsut talk of a bit different timeline

[finite valve]

like i said this was all after loki prime

which i quit long ago

how the system now i dk

[sharp wing]

well, trinity main changes came long before that

[finite valve]

but at the time that change was a nerf

[sharp wing]

You probably not even played game back then

[midnight heron]

*slowly backs out of convo*

[sharp wing]

they gradually changed bless from 100% invulnerability to damage reduction and other crap

[finite valve]

[sharp wing]

they added range etc.

[finite valve]

point being that the way DE handle the game is stupid af

[sharp wing]

And some bugs took em few yars to fix

[finite valve]

force to locked into a polarity w/o being able to change it

is stupid

[sharp wing]

Like Saryn's reverse duration calculation on 4th abiliy

existed for 5 years

[finite valve]

[sharp wing]

It's not stupid, it's game mechanics

I mean, that's the start of whining, that makes game more causl

[finite valve]

and why can't they make it so once you already forma a thing you can't freely change that said polarity?

[sharp wing]

We already got special forma for Aura, that makes it universal slot

[finite valve]

the game is already repetitive as it is

so i dk why you would want the game to be more repetitive

[sharp wing]

You can put any polarity aura on frame and it will always give double bonus

[finite valve]

grinding from 1 to 30 is not fun

period

[sharp wing]

cause it's farmframe

and we like it, as it is

we don't need lazy noobs

[finite valve]

you like to farm from 1 to 30 5 6 times?

lel

good on you

[sharp wing]

yes

[finite valve]

i just said nope to that shit

[sharp wing]

when i have nothing to lvl, i don't play

[finite valve]

lel

[sharp wing]

I always NEED to carry

1 weapon at least that i lvl

6-7 formas

[finite valve]

eh join a guild and make a party lel?

[sharp wing]

for what

[finite valve]

when i was still playing i always make party to farm t4 S

[sharp wing]

that isn't even effective way to lvl stuff

You can 1-30 in few mins

[finite valve]

to sell mods for pla?

what else?

?

[sharp wing]

mods?

plats?

[finite valve]

i am not talking about lvl 1 to 30

[sharp wing]

prime parts maybe

[finite valve]

i am saying that when i don't have anything lvled i go play t4s

[sharp wing]

only mods you can sell for real plats are rivens

[finite valve]

i said AT THAT TIME

pls read

[sharp wing]

at that time mods you can get there were same priceless

[finite valve]

i stop playing since loki prime already

so don't expect me to know the market

[sharp wing]

or worthless

only event mods cost anything

[finite valve]

eh lvl 10 mods at that time sold for 300+ pla?

wtf are you talking about?

[sharp wing]

lol

what kind

that was some scam

[finite valve]

all of them lel

[sharp wing]

and plat were much more worth bakc in days

[finite valve]

i just look at market chat

[sharp wing]

well, market chat looks for ppl to scam

[finite valve]

and see if anyone want to buy lvl 10 mod

isn't that the principle of market anyway?

so ofc i am going to scam ppl

[sharp wing]

well, not for my principles

[finite valve]

that's on you lel

i make quick $ selling lvl 10 mods

[sharp wing]

I cannot go there and scam ppl

[finite valve]

its not a scam if we agree that mod worth that much

[sharp wing]

well, it isn't tho in reality

[finite valve]

yes my price was a bit expensive

[sharp wing]

"a bit"

[finite valve]

i think most go for 250 max or sub 250

but not like there are that many ppl who do that service anyway

so yeh

[sharp wing]

maxed shit, like split chamber cost 30p

[finite valve]

[sharp wing]

esp back in days

[finite valve]

lvl 10?

[sharp wing]

and you cannot get any unique mods in voids

maxed ye

[finite valve]

that's pretty low ball lel

[sharp wing]

that's real prices

[finite valve]

i never see anyone sold a lvl 10 mod below 200

dk where you been but i never saw anyone sold a lvl 10 sub 200

[sharp wing]

I been there

[finite valve]

might be due to diff time zone or something

[sharp wing]

1st year we didn't have trading at all

you could only buy plat with $

Well, region prices changes too, but not by 200 plats

[finite valve]

i sold around 10 of them 300+

so unless i was selling to noob

doubt it

[stark raft]

times have changed

[finite valve]

now mods can even get to 1k if the stats are right

[sharp wing]

that was around 2014?

[stark raft]

a scan from your spacedog could go for 2000+ plats

[finite valve]

so not really a surprise

[sharp wing]

That's rivens

[stark raft]

riven mods can go for 5000

[sharp wing]

they go way above

regular mods are few plats

[stark raft]

I think my hoard of event mods are like shitty 500 plats ea

[sharp wing]

you can look for prices at warframe market site

[finite valve]

well with noob quitting the game and only vet remain

you will reach that point

[sharp wing]

actually, only noobs are left