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vague token
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unless her barrage is god tier

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i wouldnt even bother putting points

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xD

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her skill is only good for full clear at this point

finite valve
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wonder how broken yamato / musashi going to be when they get release?

vague token
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but it doesnt even keep scaling

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should have been like 3% DR per fleet kill after 5

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base 15

trim horizon
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when entering the fight you win

ionic magnet
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yea how about the loli sub?

lunar veldt
trim horizon
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no IJN event

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nothing to see here

finite valve
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out of all the skill

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only battan skill is salvable

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all other are just like wtf were they thinking

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meme skill all around

lunar veldt
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Ijn bias

finite valve
vague token
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it's like worse than that

lunar veldt
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And aa skills on balti is kinda expected

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MORE AA MEMES

vague token
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like questionable vs like what even

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oh alabama says flat 12 evade

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on that file

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that is better than 12 reload

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lol

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but it also doesnt scale with gear

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so that's pretty lame

lament lichen
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You can just nit use uss cv with baltimore lol

finite valve
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looking forward to yamato broke the server on release

vague token
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inb4 yamato has a flag slot skill

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and the question becomes to nagato or to yamato

finite valve
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yamato amagi

lunar veldt
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Not like they are gonna make yamato worst than nagato

finite valve
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last slot flex

ionic magnet
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only baltimore and birmingham looks good to me

finite valve
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but most likely will be ws kai

ionic magnet
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still worth to pull i guess

vague token
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fdg more likely

lunar veldt
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Balti is straight away a w13 ship

ionic magnet
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yea and she has special modifiers right?

vague token
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cavalla is neat, sustain sub

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weird though

lament lichen
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Yeah balti has different mods

vague token
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san juan has team buff aa

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mini sandy

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watashi wa numbah Juan

lunar veldt
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There are some good art for the event

vague token
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i mean AL is never lacking in art

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or music

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lol

finite valve
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light vs dark

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for the ultimate prize that is SKK

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kindda thirsty these chicks are

finite valve
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alter takao?

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looks like her

lunar veldt
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Dk it's official event art

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Pog the event looks lit

finite valve
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too high tech for a SKK ship

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we don't even have a gao xiong ship

trim horizon
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Taco alter huh

vague token
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wow fancy

finite valve
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omg

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not another mlb all ship again

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fuck this shit

vague token
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oh no

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is it 3 weeks?

finite valve
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most likely

vague token
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oh ok

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that's doable

trim horizon
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oh no no no no no

finite valve
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still a fucking waste of gold

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tho i still going to use the kraug border anyway

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this one look shit af

lunar veldt
trim horizon
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gonna throw golds and bulins just for the sake of collecting

elder crane
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Ah I see the curse of global has made all the new ships trash for PvP as far as I can tell
LaffeyDrink

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Even worse than Bis event ships

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Which tbf KGV is fairly good and Bis is decent

finite valve
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well unless you count pvp

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us still decent in pve

vague token
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at least biscuit and kgv have strong niches

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biscuit is still trash for pvp

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i should know

elder crane
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Also,
CA converting main gun shots to AP AmagiLaugh
When the best base stats on CA guns is already the AP ones

ionic magnet
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kgv

fairly good

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she saved hms tbh

vague token
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maybe her barrage is good?

ionic magnet
vague token
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so you could use sanrui gun

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with 130% coefficient and fast shots

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and keep up barrage

elder crane
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Well in the Namagi environment KGV is just fairly good

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Well I assume she has MGM+1

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So unless her barrage is better than Roon's...

lunar veldt
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Pve is slowly or already is shifting into US meta

ionic magnet
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well pve is still too easy tho

finite valve
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what does US have anything to do with pve?

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you mean AA?

lunar veldt
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Yeah

finite valve
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AA was never a problem

lunar veldt
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It makes pve easier that's all

vague token
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i mean, you might save like what

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a couple seconds

finite valve
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just use 2 CV on all comp

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also the problem with US AA meme is that they do not affect sortie

elder crane
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There's no obvious OPness in their skills

finite valve
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they affect battle in a sortie

elder crane
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Now to see stats and barrage

vague token
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id say they're the opposite of op

finite valve
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so it is pretty useless for air control

vague token
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20% torp reduction on alabama

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xD

finite valve
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unless they make it so the skill affect air control

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useless shit either way

elder crane
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It's WoWS meme, the torp reduction, pretty sure

ionic magnet
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its like devs are trying too hard for ijns to stay on top BuckySmug

vague token
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muh ijn bias

trim horizon
ionic magnet
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lmao

lunar veldt
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Sandy kai makes a lot of difference

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Some people are already doing 1:1 w12-4

vague token
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that isnt part of the event though lol

ionic magnet
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now its another 2-3 months of guaranteed ijn dominance

finite valve
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sandy kai got the stat INSIDE her to make a diff

elder crane
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If bama skill for fleet defeats scales uncapped and activates on ambush, infinite damage potential!

finite valve
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none of the US ships got a stat for it

trim horizon
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Ala is good on PvE r9 ?

elder crane
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Unless her barrage is meh she's good

vague token
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alabama is just a better wash

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except you need to relevel her

elder crane
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If it's a solid barrage she's probably very good, but idk if enough to make her join the very top
Well probs for EN, but PR2 in CN/JP....

vague token
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so just use wash

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_>

finite valve
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also on the bias part

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is there any tank / ship game out there that does not have a nation bias?

ionic magnet
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yea id wait for her barrage first

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she might not even be a better wash kek

finite valve
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as far as i know all the game on the market got a nation bias

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is just base on the devs nationality lel

elder crane
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*market you mean

lament lichen
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But devs are chinese

elder crane
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CN devs for AL

lament lichen
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Cant make cn boats op

lunar veldt
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Lel

finite valve
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we don't have a CN nation tho?

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yeh sure we have them

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but too little lel

elder crane
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Can't make non-existent ships OP EntyLUL

trim horizon
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so gonna make another Asian country good

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SeemsGood

elder crane
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Nah it's just that JP the next biggest market

vague token
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just give us korean turtle ship girls

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older than mikasa

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who we dont have yet

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_>

finite valve
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not like you going to use granny over loli anyway

ionic magnet
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they gonna release mikasa with her retro

finite valve
vague token
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yo that's some big brain stuff

finite valve
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Press [X] to doubt

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we don't even have pudding kai yet

ionic magnet
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shes ijn its possible kek

vague token
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xD

trim horizon
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they should put a warning for the refresh button GWseremePeepoThink

elder crane
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Lol just realized we're getting Cavalina, with +15% dmg when Albacore is present, without having Albacore yet EntyLUL

vague token
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well she still heals herself

trim horizon
vague token
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and 15% dr for all subs

trim horizon
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nothing new kek

elder crane
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Healing and DR for subs CleveXD

trim horizon
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we got Chaser before subs and the german sub with AS skill

vague token
elder crane
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I suppose it'll be useful if enemies ever get ASW

vague token
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just use albacore/cavalina + surcouf

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those tank stats would be good on her

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to shoot all the dudes

trim horizon
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again, what would be the eq for Balti ?

vague token
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depends on barrage

elder crane
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Very likely Roon gun
Unless her barrage is the best CA barrage yet

trim horizon
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I still don't know who to waste my oil for Ala or Balti

elder crane
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Balti > Bama in terms of upgrade over already-present stuff

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Balti for PvE should be really good
Should give the PRs a run for their money solo-mode (but probs not quite, depends on how much her armor mods are buffed)
And if she can use her fleet buff she should be arguably better

trim horizon
elder crane
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If her first skill is good enough she might reach Wichita levels of output when without Eagle CV/Ls

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Probably not quite though
But ofc she'll be quite tanky too (not top by far though)

vague token
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what class is baltimore again?

vagrant veldt
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baltimore

elder crane
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Baltimore class

vague token
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oh her own?

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hopefully she has a good barrage

elder crane
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She's the lead ship of her class

vagrant veldt
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an advancement of US CAs

vague token
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gotcha

elder crane
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The most advanced Eagle CA so far ingame irl

vagrant veldt
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her barrage looks pretty average

vague token
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_>

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booooo

trim horizon
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not IJN lulw

vague token
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can we please have a non-pr Ca with a good barrage

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not including sharks

trim horizon
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barrages are alrdy out ?

elder crane
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Unless her barrage at least reaches Roon levels she's gonna be using Roon gun anyways
She's a MGM+1 ship

lament lichen
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Cavella not cavalina

vagrant veldt
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takao class barrage is quite good

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mogami too

vague token
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i mean a barrage good enough to focus on attack speed

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like dds

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THAT good

elder crane
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Takaos is enough, ish

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We don't have a speed-only CA gun anyways afaik

vague token
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i thought there was one

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purple or w/e

elder crane
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Louis iirc is faster/minimally slower

vague token
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oh it's faster

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lol

vagrant veldt
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they need to reflect the south dakota class radars

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something like lock on version of washington barrage on alabama

vague token
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wouldnt an aimed barrage be worse

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for clearing mobs?

elder crane
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Idk if that'd actually be much of an upgrade if at all

vagrant veldt
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amagi's smart barrage

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locks on

vague token
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amagi is ijn

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you cant compare ;)

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she gets a board sweep

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and an aimed component

elder crane
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Amagi's lockon for PvE imo is not good
And not good for PvP too imo cause consistentcy issues

vague token
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although it's still 236 x 4 damage

elder crane
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I would prefer it straight for PvP
Don't care too much overall for PvE

vague token
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so as long as it doesnt hit vanguard

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it's fine

vagrant veldt
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amagi is only BB that runs 381 and still has barrage dps when opposing ship sinks

elder crane
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Still if given choice Id prefer to always aim it opposite

balmy geyser
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I'm not lucky enough to have amagi

vague token
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they need one that 100% aims direct opponent

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and them moves down the line

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or fleet order

elder crane
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Early focus fire > more later damage

vague token
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eg flag/top/bottom

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that would be cool

vagrant veldt
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aimed barrage doesnt have to be exactly like amagi's

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just change where the pattern lands

vague token
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or just give it a Ignore Vanguard component

balmy geyser
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You barrages like Warspite? (her skill)

vague token
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na we have enough aim opposite

vagrant veldt
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amagi should usually aims opposing her

vague token
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we need Dueling Aimed

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and Fleet Order Aim

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those are missing

elder crane
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Warspite barrage targeting is amazing for PvP
Trash for PvE though

balmy geyser
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Hmm

vagrant veldt
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there was also this weird thing where her barrage prioritises monarch

elder crane
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Idk amagi hits opposite for me at best 1/4 of the time
It's probably survivorship bias, your impression

vague token
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if dork was ap

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or he

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it'd be good for pvp

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instead of lel slow main fleet

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or make barrages inherit ammo

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xD

elder crane
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I was taking vids of Amagi barrage damage and she targeted opposite about 1/6 of the time on first barrage as far as I can tell

vague token
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well yeah

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because there's no weight

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6 enemies

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means 1/6 chance to shoot what you want

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they have like VERY few weighted targeting skills

elder crane
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That was on response to yawn

vague token
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xD

elder crane
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Yawn said he felt like Amagi targeted opposite more

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I think it's survivorship bias
Amagi yeeting opposite leaves more impression than otherwise

vague token
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you also cant see your own as easily anyways

elder crane
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Took me like 20 tries to get her to yeet opposite once when I was trying to record that

vague token
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at least you can see enemy amagi circles

elder crane
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One time she targeted opposite but then evasion RNG said, "nah"

vague token
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kek

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1/10 chance to nope

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not even evasion

elder crane
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And ofc the second match where I switch over to recording dmg taken by my fleet amagi slams opposite offscreen for >1/2 their HP

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Though might've been partially torps

vague token
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xD

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i remember the days

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when my amagi could 2 shot hiryuu

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because no one was running beaver/rudder

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thanks 120 scaling

vagrant veldt
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its quite magical

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I would say its just following main gun targeting habits

vague token
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probably

elder crane
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Yeah
Seems to at least avoid productions in PvE

vagrant veldt
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but first mgm and aimed shells can hit their backline anyways

elder crane
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Hmm amagi targeting van with barrage afaik does happen

vagrant veldt
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it does

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I have to check if its with the first mgm

elder crane
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Afaik the two aren't synced

vagrant veldt
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it seems to have a mind of its own

elder crane
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Iirc I've seen opposite targeted by barrage and not main guns at all

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Both needs to happen for the largest yeeting

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The kind where a 120 CV without evasion equip takes >1/2 HP

vague token
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it should be independent

vagrant veldt
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US radar effects should be making main guns and barrage lead the target

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true smart targeting

vague token
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eh, that wouldnt work

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ships move too randomly

elder crane
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I mean sometimes even shots from same salvo do thier own thing

vague token
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if ships moved in a pattern leading would work

elder crane
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Especially obvious in PvP when one salvo somehow hits a mob at top and a mob at bottom of screen

vagrant veldt
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might be a mechanic that needs to be implemented to see its value

elder crane
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Leading can work if delay is short, imo

vague token
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i would like it if we could equip an auto move pattern

vagrant veldt
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since BB aoe is a MOAB

vague token
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as a fleet slot

elder crane
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Automode AI moves in straight lines before turning anyways

vague token
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not even the kizuna one

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just every fleet gets a choosable move pattern

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just mimic the pve ones

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Circle of Doom

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xD

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with predictable movement patterns

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leading/aimed shots can work

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and prediction can be added as a stat

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new radar type

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or Computer

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xD

elder crane
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Hmm if you had a good movement pattern and enough speed you can pretty much negate most incoming damage on vanguard

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Not sure if I like that

vague token
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yeah but ships can "learn" with an prediction stat

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aimed shots would lead over time

vagrant veldt
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indirect buff to CVs

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incredible

vague token
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kinda, but you could outspeed the dives

vagrant veldt
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making CVs meta while being trash

elder crane
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Buff to TBs you mean

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The parallel ones

vague token
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but OVER TIME

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you could boost prediction

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and thus ALL aimed items

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would become accurate

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then add skills that automatically have 100% prediction

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like warspite would be an example

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if she magically somehow aimed vanguard

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she would always know where they would move

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because it's a simple calculation of time vs speed

vagrant veldt
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no

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give her a script

vague token
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xD

vagrant veldt
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that looks into the enemy ai next movements

vague token
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well warspite would have to kill all the main fleet before aiming vanguard

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so

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not likely

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but other new ships

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or any skill that buffs accuracy

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would also help buff prediction

elder crane
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Oh I thought you meant on WS main guns too

vague token
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no

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just her skill

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guns would have to build prediction

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like everyone else

elder crane
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Her barrage is the old BBAP so it would just tickle nonCA

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30% light armor mod

vague token
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i mean, it's impossible for her to aim vanguard

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unless all 3 main area dead

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so

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xD

elder crane
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I think WS secondaries do more damage than her barrage on light armour CleveXD

vague token
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xD

vagrant veldt
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think first salvo still crits 1k

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each shell

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on a 120 light armor

elder crane
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Yeah with her retro buff her first salvo is pretty ridiculous

vague token
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dork power creep

elder crane
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It's the first barrage salvo

vagrant veldt
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dork's tiny meme guns

elder crane
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130% damage boost

vague token
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i cant believe they would power creep my dork like that

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has aim farthest barrage

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bonus damage on first barrage

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=/

elder crane
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Well now there's little danger of WSret being powercreeped before release
New USN ships are meh
Sandyret is coming, so WSret probs this year

vague token
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xD

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rip the dream

elder crane
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Even if Bama barrage is broken at best she just gets mashed into Namagi

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Probably Jint added to vanguard then

vagrant veldt
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they just have to keep Amagi as best T8

elder crane
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Yeah AL devs afaik are quite WoWS fanbois

vagrant veldt
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they are

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a lot of skills are references

vague token
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oh is that what it is

vagrant veldt
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and apparently the first collab happened because both sides liked each other's game

vague token
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i thought they were doing design of their own

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_>

elder crane
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It's why Bama has torpedo dmg reduction

vague token
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almost like mechanics dont really transfer

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or something

elder crane
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Afaik doesn't really make sense for Bama to have torpedo dmg reduction otherwise

vague token
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yeah but what kind of dev would port skills 1:1 ish like that

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instead of going

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hmm

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maybe this doesnt really work

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in the game mechanics we set up

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xD

elder crane
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And the evasion seems probs a reference to her really good steering characteristics in WoWS

vague token
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why not make it % boost

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err %

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saint louis is a wows ship with 35% evade

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right?

elder crane
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If it applied on TBs at least it'd be more useful

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But with how AL mechanics work that's unlikely

vague token
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like 35% evade would be really interesting for a bb

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12 FLAT evade

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is like

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wow

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ok

vagrant veldt
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they dont dare give flat evades much after yat sen

elder crane
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Sad cause WoWS has it apply

vague token
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i get more from a radar

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wait is it evade rate

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or evade stat

elder crane
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amagi CleveXD

vague token
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self evasion points

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sounds like evade stat

elder crane
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Evade stat

vague token
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not evade rate

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12 evade stat

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is pretty sad

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if it was 12 evade rate

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that would be awesome

elder crane
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They wanted to give amagi 15% evade rate originally

vague token
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amagi/alabama would straight up dodge 1/4 attacks lol

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even if she doesnt hit hard

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would be a fun niche

elder crane
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Community backlash made them drop it to 10% "only"

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And drop the stat reduction from iirc 12% too

vague token
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still waiting for tennessee debuff to get a change

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wait 30 seconds for 15% damage dealt reduction

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strictly inferior to sodak

elder crane
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12 evade stat is literally like 1/3 of the bonus from an aux CleveXD

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So useless

vague token
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yeah

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like even gold radar

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gives 15 lol

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like if they wanted it to match wows

elder crane
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Okay useless is harsh but it's certainly not very impactful

vague token
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they should have just given her straight up speed boost

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+8 speed on a bb helps with tile movement range

elder crane
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Well it's handling, not speed

vague token
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and 35% evasion

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would go a long way

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as a defensive niche

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even if her damage wasnt stellar

elder crane
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Bama in WoWS for high tiers has pretty normal speed

vague token
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oh

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=/

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isnt speed boost a consumable

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just slap it in there

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xD

elder crane
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No speed boost on her either
Bama has no special consumables

vague token
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big rip

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dunno then

elder crane
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In WoWS her main unique points are the torpedo reduction and handling
Her other strengths are shared with Nocal

vague token
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oh, then give her the ability to move ;)

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Alabama can move randomly in the backline to dodge torpedos and shells, and even when they hit torpedos do less

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boom

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interesting

elder crane
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Oh man
Moving main fleet ship
Instantly OP for PvP?

vague token
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i mean

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bbs have what

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20 speed?

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oh 27

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actually

vagrant veldt
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add boilers

vague token
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that's pretty fast

vagrant veldt
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A Z U M A

elder crane
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Well given shell travel times at those distances you don't even need gyros to dodge shells

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What, 3+ s?

vague token
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it could have a cooldown

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like how one of the subs move forward

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at start of battle

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and then returns after a set time

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like, "when alabama fires, she moves (Insert Direction)"

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or something like that

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oh like u101

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or even

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"starting at 15 seconds, alabama moves and joins the vanguard"

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returns after 5 seconds

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cooldown 15 seconds

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her "handling" would let her keep up with vanguard movements

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you could use boilers to boost her speed

fierce field
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well Baltimore is as good as expected BuckySmug

vague token
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etc

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lots of creative options for a "handling" effect with fast battleship

elder crane
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Balti is an incremental improvement for PvE, arguably even over PRs

vague token
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and then it works well with her torpedo bulge skill

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since she is now in the vanguard she is easily hit by torpedo

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so that means her skill and base aa stats help her tank hits

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while dishing out damage with her aux gun

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oh god it's perfect

elder crane
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PvP Balti for now is just 🚮

vague token
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xD

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more like the entire event

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do we know if we get a new unique gear?

vagrant veldt
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only the report thing

vague token
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is that part of the event?

vagrant veldt
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this is first of the EN anniversary events correct?

vague token
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oh man if she had that skill

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and biscuit had black hole

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that would be a fun comp

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hold enemy vanguard in place

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for alabama to shoot them

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while she tanks with her base aa and torpedo reduc

vagrant veldt
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and point blanc salvos

vague token
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well min range still applies

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more for bringing 200% dd aux in

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mle shredder

elder crane
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That means first salvo guarantee to be on main

vague token
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yeah

elder crane
#

Also min range only applies for first salvo afaik

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2/3 can hit point-blank

vagrant veldt
#

should be from pvp observations

vague token
#

see, im not even a game designer and that sounds really fun and interesting

#

she wouldnt even need a barrage

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to be interesting

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with a skill like that

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xD

vagrant veldt
#

programmer expresses that he does not know how

vague token
#

well

#

they do though

#

u-101 has her skill

#

that moves her forward

elder crane
#

Sounds OP but also tunable
Just charge less, and/or give her SHS too to limit impact on vanguard
Might need a secondary damage/reload nerf too

vague token
#

so they just gotta copy pasta that

#

like that one is actually in code

#

for a temp move forward

#

as we know they like copying code

#

xD

#

if it's temporary you dont need to

#

just scrap the barrage

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it would become her barrage

#

like bismarck's is always on, so they took away AGM+2 and 30% damage reduction =/

elder crane
#

Erm I think you might be underestimating the power of 3 200 eff DD secondaries backed by BB FP
Anything close gets chewed up

vague token
#

i mean

#

you get hit by a big seven

#

same thing

elder crane
#

Literally that's more gunpower there than an entire gunboat vanguard

vague token
#

use some ryuusei then ;)

elder crane
#

This is guaranteed too unlike sakura big7
There's a good reason why that is 40%

vague token
#

i mean, vanguards dodge dd guns too

#

also

#

use medium armor

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sanrui should tank those pretty easily

#

also she can get splashed by dives more easily too

elder crane
#

Not well enough
I'd be surprised if in 20s you don't kill at least 2/3 vanguard with just Bama then

#

True on med armor though

vague token
#

use smoke

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like

#

there are a billion ways around it

#

medium armor + smoke

#

would negate that

#

on first push

elder crane
#

Also smoke Bama

#

Oh god

vague token
#

like it forces new teams

#

without stats

#

azuma gets to be a bc in the frontline

#

why not make a main fleet

#

in the vanguard

#

simple concept

#

xD

#

just put her to like 180% efficiency maybe

#

or match london with 160

elder crane
#

Azuma doesn't get BB/BC secondaries
Secondaries on main are super overstatted to make up for their shitty position

vague token
#

but yeah either way, you can counter smoke

#

use sendai on her

elder crane
#

Like see how much Bis gives up for her range
And she doesn't even move close

vague token
#

since sendai works on everything

#

yeah but kms isnt allowed to be good

#

taking 54% total aux nerf

vagrant veldt
#

sendai is quite squish

vague token
#

is normal

vagrant veldt
#

at best you get a trade

vague token
#

lead with medium armor

vagrant veldt
#

but BB hp pool...

elder crane
#

Idk if Sendai can even surivive until her flare even CleveXD

vague token
#

i mean i said triggers at 15

#

that's plenty of time

elder crane
#

Then flare is wrong timing

#

And so is smoke

elder crane
#

Boilers>boxes usually

vague token
#

rainbow torps on ykk

#

not juneau

fierce field
#

the gun

elder crane
#

On ykkz is the only arguable one

vague token
#

damage is multiplicative, you cant fix low multipliers with a stronger weapon

vagrant veldt
#

AA radar never worth the slot

vague token
#

so you should put the biggest damage on the biggest multiplier

strange shuttle
#

would the swordfist be in core shop next moneth?

elder crane
#

Also 113 on ykkz but bofors on Bel

#

Swap those

steep fog
#

pearl on belfast

fierce field
#

yeah @strange shuttle

#

I always put pearl on Juneau BuckySmug

vague token
#

lel

steep fog
vagrant veldt
#

peal is fine on belfast

vague token
#

to be fair i do too xD

strange shuttle
#

still unsure if i should buy it or not cuz i like buying aux torps for subs

elder crane
#

I assume no more magtorps for you available
In that case put normal torps on Jun, the weakest torper

vagrant veldt
#

just the PR mosters die too late with pearl

elder crane
#

*Sometimes die too late

fierce field
#

@strange shuttle for pve I would buy 1
for pvp it's really meh

steep fog
#

I tried running sanrui lead

elder crane
#

Usually not but not worth risk

steep fog
#

got deleted

vague token
#

sanrui will die in lead first though

steep fog
vagrant veldt
#

and also yuki usually dies later than the PR ships

vague token
#

i mean having a 25% chance to nope any and all damage

#

is pretty strong

elder crane
#

Sanrui can still rando live a long time
Especially if Aurora is a thing

vague token
#

for not dying

coral wren
#

Just a question by is boiler more preferred than box?

vague token
#

na sanrui lead will die fast, just everyone else dies just as fast

#

if aurora is there

elder crane
#

Speed= more stuff dodged

#

Box benefit is too low in comparison

vagrant veldt
#

best survivability equipment in pvp

vague token
#

box ehp is a MAYBE on ykk

elder crane
#

Ykkz maaaybe cause of lower HP
That's the only arguable one

vague token
#

just maybe

#

she is pretty fast without boiler

elder crane
#

Well bulge on lead is best survivability aux

vague token
#

and she likes to run into big seven spawns

#

so xD

steep fog
#

use bulge on all CL

fierce field
vague token
#

or randomly she'll ram

#

her ai is weird

elder crane
#

Bulge only neccesary on lead and useful on trailing
On mid it's not useful enough

steep fog
#

my sanrui has the tendency to ram into biggu sebun

#

then deleted

#

fucking dumb ai

vague token
#

i mean she's there to punish heretics

#

not wimp out by hanging back

#

that's why i lead with juneau

#

xD

steep fog
#

which aux to use on sanrui

elder crane
#

Idk why you'd use sanrui then really

#

+eva for one slot for sure

vague token
#

honestly im not really convinced she's better than aurora in terms of general usage

steep fog
#

rudder + bulge?

vague token
#

unless you have like

#

unlimited rudders

elder crane
#

Bulge on other if lead
Probably engine as mid

vague token
#

like double rudder maybe

steep fog
#

wtf

vague token
#

would make her durable enough

lament lichen
steep fog
#

cant run 2x rudder

vague token
#

you can for the stats

steep fog
vague token
#

what

elder crane
#

She's just an Aurora counter overall

lament lichen
#

Did someone say double ruddee

vague token
#

xD

elder crane
#

Rudder badge

steep fog
#

u cant

elder crane
#

Rudder is 1 only

vague token
#

what, why

steep fog
#

cant eq 2nd one

elder crane
#

It's special

vague token
#

whaaat

#

o.O

steep fog
#

its special

vague token
#

who would do this

#

that's not like literally every other gear

#

in the game

#

and it doesnt say it

steep fog
#

poor sod doesnt have enough rudder to test

elder crane
#

Asw stuff has that too

steep fog
vagrant veldt
#

theres a special tag on it

vague token
#

oh, that tiny thing

#

"special equipment"?

steep fog
#

lmao

vagrant veldt
#

its steering

steep fog
#

2x rudder would be OP

vagrant veldt
#

apart from the blue ones

#

2 steering shouldnt be necessary on real ships

lament lichen
#

Yeah

#

Special equip

#

But the font is tiny as fk

elder crane
#

Well technically can also be argued for most aux

vague token
#

i mean, you can use double normal wheels lol

elder crane
#

I'm going to put camo... ON MY CAMO

vagrant veldt
#

also erebus can use mk6

#

but cant equip shs

steep fog
lament lichen
#

I really needyo stop getting rudder parts

vague token
#

arent they their own class though?

#

like erebus isnt a bb nor a bc

elder crane
#

I'm going to have rammers... FOR MY RAMMERS

vagrant veldt
#

yes

vague token
#

shell is only bb/bc

#

so that one makes sense

vagrant veldt
#

but erebus using mk6 irl is unimaginable

strange shuttle
#

real pvp fleets have 2 of them on each boat same as faving 2 jueno's in a fleet

vagrant veldt
#

but if I could equip mk6

#

I should be able to use its shells right?

elder crane
#

Sanrui is the only one that would want double +eva I'm pretty sure

vague token
#

i mean

#

al isnt what we turn to for logic

#

so

#

that's why we're here in pvp channel jk

elder crane
#

Think of it as them undercharging mk6

#

Cause otherwise boat would break

vague token
#

also oxy is locked to vanguard only

#

even though we have torps in the backline

#

xD

elder crane
#

Also oxy can be run on gunboats

#

For their non-existent torps

vague token
#

meanwhile i cant upgrade bb kaga/amagi/ugly sisters/etc torps

vagrant veldt
#

something something your 35k ton BB turned into a waifu

vague token
#

reeee

vagrant veldt
#

there's already no realism

vague token
#

i know it's bad

#

but i WANT to

#

double oxy tirpitz

#

mag torps

#

big deeps

#

would be fun for anti vanguard pressure

vagrant veldt
#

I was disappointed when it cant be done

lime rivet
#

reminder to do your pee vee pees in case maint overruns...

lunar veldt
elder crane
#

Also since fleet tech gives torp stat to VG now my fleets have randomly 7/14 torp stat REEEEEE

trim horizon
#

overruns ?

vague token
#

oh wait how long is patch

#

i need to check

vagrant veldt
#

hint hint

trim horizon
#

aw noes

lime rivet
#

8hours

vague token
#

oh that's fine

vagrant veldt
#

12+ hours

vague token
#

only the 10 hour one is dangerous

#

xD

trim horizon
#

when was the last 10hours ?

elder crane
#

8H for us supposedly
VIP CN gets 6H

vague token
#

that was the one that murdered everyone

#

and i hit top 10

#

(10th lel)

vagrant veldt
#

VIP CN gets extended maint

trim horizon
#

im doing so well this season AkashiEatGem

vagrant veldt
#

the real VIP is jp

lunar veldt
trim horizon
#

now I fear the extended

vague token
#

no fear

vagrant veldt
#

to be fair, extended maint is bit rarer in al compared to others

vague token
#

hmm you know if baltimore has like 5k hp

#

i might try her out

#

since she has an aviation buff

#

sara appreciates that for her avi scaling skills

#

maybe try sirius/baltimore for the double avi buff

#

amagi/essex/sara

#

doesnt sound like too bad of a meme

#

maybe aurora for max vanguard destruction

#

actually this sounds like a fun meme

#

xD

fierce field
#

she's as tanky as Mog Kai
so nothing special on that front
but I will still use her thou BuckySmug
🇺🇸

vague token
#

oh that isnt bad then

#

like 5k hp with 70-80 evade

#

should work

#

as a carrier supporter

#

a beefy sirius but no hit rate boost

#

so i just COMBINE the two

#

for ultimate power

#

toss juneau in front cause yeah

fierce field
vague token
#

my plan is perfect

#

plus sara's escort fleet buffs up sirius and baltimore guns

#

guah ha ha haa

#

oh and conveniently i hit 4 eagle for essex

elder crane
#

Too bad Balti has standard CA speed
Although, her buff should be perma

vague token
#

nothing a boiler or 3 cant fix

#

or gyros

elder crane
#

3 boilers minimum then
Gyros probs still not good enough

#

Her gunnery is still worse than the PRs

vague token
#

i think if she has mogami tier hp

#

she can get away with gyro

#

over boiler

#

if she's more like minne tier hp

#

then yeah boiler

fierce field
#

mogami tier hp but lower speed with higher luck

vague token
#

i mean mogami has terrible luck

#

not a high bar

elder crane
#

If the PRs don't even use gyros then Balti doesn't
Azuma is special

vague token
#

i mean, there's no reason to run boiler on sanrui

#

since she has her skill

#

she wants evasion

#

and she has a boiler built in

#

roon is uh

#

yeah roon is something

#

xD

fierce field
#

spood beest is fun BuckySmug

elder crane
#

If you run lead jun with bulge/pearl and ykkz with ext/engine (not pearl, derp) then Sanrui should get a +speed equip

vague token
#

uh, that's two pearls

#

o.O

#

i run ykk with boiler/ext anyways

elder crane
#

You want 2

#

Sanrui speed boost just makes up for her CA speed so you don't need 3

vague token
#

oh, ive been trying just +24 total speed recently

#

instead of 32

#

ive been catching a lot of shots with 32

#

bias things

#

xD

elder crane
#

Idk 24 is where I start catching them
32 is mostly fine
40 isn't much better

vague token
#

i wanted to try rudder/sg sanrui too

#

gyro probably better but just wanted to try it

elder crane
#

Output of nonAzuma CA isn't really good enough to use the hit well
And HP on Azuma is bonkers
And CA base hit isn't that bad anyways

vague token
#

i mean, she's 60 under ykk with 0 luck

#

it's pretty bad

#

137

#

+70 hit main fleets are just a bit over that

#

minus retros

#

who are really silly

lament lichen
#

Big question is are we gonna lose attempts like that 12 hour maint for ui

elder crane
#

137 is before affection bonuses

vague token
#

that's with 100 affection yeah

ionic magnet
#

prolly safe cos its only "8 hrs"

vague token
#

or does wiki not calculate hit adjustment but only the rest

#

for 0 reasons

#

xD

elder crane
#

Erm afaik datamine is without affection

fierce field
#

pretty big maint, smth might happan BuckySmug

elder crane
#

136 at 120

vague token
#

i was talking saint louis

elder crane
#

Oh I meant baltimore

vague token
#

oh

#

xD

#

i mean

#

it's still pretty meh

elder crane
#

Baltimore hits 150+ at lv120 at 200 aff

vague token
#

oh wow

#

maybe dont need hit on baltimore lol

#

why is saint louis hit so bad

lament lichen
#

Did we know what mods are on her first skill yet

vague token
#

actually wait

#

150+ is like god tier isnt it?

#

for a CA

ionic magnet
#

i mean even 100 hit BBs do just fine

lament lichen
#

Whats the hit on wskai

ionic magnet
#

100

vague token
#

uh she's silly

#

100 base

elder crane
#

Compare Bama with 64 before affection base
Which is standard for BB/BC

vague token
#

normal bbs are 70 zone

elder crane
#

Vanguards are all high hit

vague token
#

retro bbs get pretty good bonuses

elder crane
#

DDs pretty much all reach 200

fierce field
#

150 is one of the best for a CA

elder crane
#

CLs are almost 200

vague token
#

yeah but all CAs are sub 130

#

which means that they will be LESS accurate than the average bb

ionic magnet
#

+35 hit is roughly 7% hit rate so its not much of a boost

vague token
#

in addition to their restrictive fire arc

#

of course if they're using rudder/radar the bbs are lower

#

xD

#

but +70 is definitely tied or higher

#

than ALL CAs

#

minus exeter

elder crane
#

For balti SG boosts her hitrate from about 70% to 75% on CL-eva VGs

fierce field
#

ye, balti base hit is only lower than sanrui, ibuki and Exeter

vague token
#

the one nice thing is baltimore will have luck

#

unlike sanrui

#

xD

ionic magnet
#

kek

vague token
#

so that's what at least 5% free hit rate

elder crane
#

62 to 67 vs ykkz, or so

vague token
#

im kinda surprised they didnt creep PR CA hit rates up

#

kinda odd

#

roon 125 lel

ionic magnet
#

welp noone pushing might as well rush before i forget SandyMeme

fierce field
#

with fate sim things should get better, a bit

elder crane
#

@fierce field afaik datamined 136 is without affection boosts

fierce field
#

ye it's base

elder crane
#

Otherwise bama 64 seems too low

ionic magnet
#

fate sim 15 luck op op

vague token
#

why would they add these into the wiki

#

already

#

if they arent adjusting like the rest

#

lol

#

that's weird

#

man too bad lusty's shield isnt based on aviation

#

that would be fun to build around

#

baltimore/sirius/qe for like +45% avi

#

then BIG SHIELD

#

xD

fierce field
#

Bama 64 is one of the lowest actually MutsukiHyperStare
damn

vague token
#

isnt that 2nd lowest?

#

although actually kizuna has free hit in her skill

#

so it's actual lowest

#

o.O

fierce field
#

lower than those wwi BBs
what have u done devs AkagiLUL

vague token
#

they gave a main fleet ship 20% torp reduction

#

so

#

who knows

vagrant veldt
#

magic lane

vague token
#

yeah even with base 55 hit kizuna gets 25% hit so she reaches 68 hit

#

so alabama will be the LOWEST hit xD

#

or i guess maybe a tiny bit higher if the affection isnt in there

#

barely

trim horizon
#

Tacos retro GWseremePeepoThink

fierce field
#

alter taco

trim horizon
#

new barrage PogU

fierce field
#

she looks cool ngl
~~not like I will use her BuckySmug ~~

elder crane
#

Omfg this is bs
My internet cuts out for 10 mins right before reset

#

And now ofc it's perfectly fine

#

Qq

trim horizon
#

how many tix lost ? BiskoLUL

elder crane
#

3 I think

vagrant veldt
#

kore wa

#

unlimited blade works

elder crane
#

Nowait 2

#

I ran 1 before that

#

But still, bsssssssss

#

Literally just randomly dies
And comes back right at reset sharp to taunt me

vague token
#

big oof

elder crane
#

Well pretty sure I'm never gonna have a season without dropped matches CleveXD

#

At least not since months ago
First time it wasn't my own fault though

ionic magnet
#

heh i only have 1 season with no missed matches

trim horizon
#

couldn't you use mob data ? BuckyStare

elder crane
#

I don't usually use it so it wouldn't have been in time anyways

#

Took me ~5 mins to realize it wasn't just my wifi

steep fog
#

lul

elder crane
#

Also apparently cutting out like that somehow got AL stuck so I had to restart phone first

#

Game wouldn't load

vagrant veldt
#

the infinite jumping manjuus?

elder crane
#

That then upon reopen app just black screen

#

Then I restarted phone to find no connection

#

Then I jumped over to PC and started emu to find my home internet all down

#

Shit happens I suppose

#

Shouldn't give me trouble hitting AotN probably

vagrant veldt
#

wouldnt your mobile internet take over and you just need to hit reconnect

elder crane
#

Again I don't ever use my data so I don't have it set up
Plus I didn't realize the issue I was having for a good while

vagrant veldt
#

but internet cutting out like that is unfortunate

lime rivet
#

So, I think CN got kicked into extended maint

#

hope y'all did your PvPs...

midnight heron
#

WichitaDealWithIt i always rush now

trim horizon
#

Oh shit h fuck

lament lichen
#

nah

#

always gamble

#

and if i lose 5 sttempts

#

its more fe3h for me

shy hazel
#

im enjoying akiba rn let it overtime

#

syanda u need to tell jp team to try harder

#

al things are fucking hard to find

#

here

#

u only see figs and posters from time to time

#

no al only section in any shops

coral wren
#

Did ppl already datamine alabama’s skills? What are they

fierce field
#

Alabama

1: Self evasion increased by 3-12 points, own torp damage taken reduced by 5-20%; every 20s, 40-70% chance to fire a barrage, scales with skill level

2: During sortie, for every enemy fleet sunk, increase self firepower by 0.5-2%, after defeating 5 enemy fleets, reduce backline damage taken by 3.5-8%;

During battle, for every enemy ship self sunk, increase firepower by 0.5-2%, stacking 8 times.

coral wren
#

Rip uss

#

Those skills are pure garbage, holy

#

Even for pve

fierce field
#

"new patch just rolled out, birm got nerfed, +30% eva chance is now +40% eva stats, and -2 eva stats
balt got more HP and AA, her shell has chances to cause armor break effect now
bama got some more FP and AA, her barrage now has +5% proc chance
bataan also got 5% more barrage proc chance"

coral wren
lament lichen
#

75% barrage BuckySmug

lunar veldt
#

wait for alabama's barrage if its shit she will probably be in the trash bin

#

for now CN thinks she is good because dmg reduction is kinda great for w13

#

u have to sink 7 ships or smth to get to the boss and everyone knows w13 plane hell