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i wouldnt even bother putting points
xD
her skill is only good for full clear at this point
wonder how broken yamato / musashi going to be when they get release?
but it doesnt even keep scaling
should have been like 3% DR per fleet kill after 5
base 15
when entering the fight you win
yea how about the loli sub?
https://pastebin.com/vgHK3eKL compiled skills in English
out of all the skill
only battan skill is salvable
all other are just like wtf were they thinking
meme skill all around
Ijn bias

it's like worse than that
like questionable vs like what even
oh alabama says flat 12 evade
on that file
that is better than 12 reload
lol
but it also doesnt scale with gear
so that's pretty lame
You can just nit use uss cv with baltimore lol
yamato amagi
Not like they are gonna make yamato worst than nagato
last slot flex
only baltimore and birmingham looks good to me
still worth to pull i guess
fdg more likely
Balti is straight away a w13 ship
yea and she has special modifiers right?
Yeah balti has different mods
light vs dark
for the ultimate prize that is SKK
kindda thirsty these chicks are

Taco alter huh
wow fancy
most likely
oh no no no no no
still a fucking waste of gold
tho i still going to use the kraug border anyway
this one look shit af

gonna throw golds and bulins just for the sake of collecting
Ah I see the curse of global has made all the new ships trash for PvP as far as I can tell

Even worse than Bis event ships
Which tbf KGV is fairly good and Bis is decent
at least biscuit and kgv have strong niches
biscuit is still trash for pvp
i should know
Also,
CA converting main gun shots to AP 
When the best base stats on CA guns is already the AP ones
maybe her barrage is good?

so you could use sanrui gun
with 130% coefficient and fast shots
and keep up barrage
Well in the Namagi environment KGV is just fairly good
Well I assume she has MGM+1
So unless her barrage is better than Roon's...
Pve is slowly or already is shifting into US meta
well pve is still too easy tho
Yeah
AA was never a problem
It makes pve easier that's all
just use 2 CV on all comp
also the problem with US AA meme is that they do not affect sortie
There's no obvious OPness in their skills
they affect battle in a sortie
Now to see stats and barrage
id say they're the opposite of op
so it is pretty useless for air control
It's WoWS meme, the torp reduction, pretty sure
its like devs are trying too hard for ijns to stay on top 
muh ijn bias
lmao
that isnt part of the event though lol
now its another 2-3 months of guaranteed ijn dominance
sandy kai got the stat INSIDE her to make a diff
If bama skill for fleet defeats scales uncapped and activates on ambush, infinite damage potential!
none of the US ships got a stat for it
Ala is good on PvE r9 ?
Unless her barrage is meh she's good
If it's a solid barrage she's probably very good, but idk if enough to make her join the very top
Well probs for EN, but PR2 in CN/JP....
also on the bias part
is there any tank / ship game out there that does not have a nation bias?
as far as i know all the game on the market got a nation bias
is just base on the devs nationality lel
*market you mean
But devs are chinese
CN devs for AL
Cant make cn boats op
Lel
Can't make non-existent ships OP 
Nah it's just that JP the next biggest market
just give us korean turtle ship girls

older than mikasa
who we dont have yet
_>
not like you going to use granny over loli anyway

yo that's some big brain stuff
shes ijn its possible kek
xD
they should put a warning for the refresh button 
Lol just realized we're getting Cavalina, with +15% dmg when Albacore is present, without having Albacore yet 
well she still heals herself
and 15% dr for all subs
nothing new kek
Healing and DR for subs 
we got Chaser before subs and the german sub with AS skill

I suppose it'll be useful if enemies ever get ASW
just use albacore/cavalina + surcouf
those tank stats would be good on her
to shoot all the dudes
again, what would be the eq for Balti ?
depends on barrage
Very likely Roon gun
Unless her barrage is the best CA barrage yet
I still don't know who to waste my oil for Ala or Balti
Balti > Bama in terms of upgrade over already-present stuff
Balti for PvE should be really good
Should give the PRs a run for their money solo-mode (but probs not quite, depends on how much her armor mods are buffed)
And if she can use her fleet buff she should be arguably better

If her first skill is good enough she might reach Wichita levels of output when without Eagle CV/Ls
Probably not quite though
But ofc she'll be quite tanky too (not top by far though)
what class is baltimore again?
baltimore
Baltimore class
She's the lead ship of her class
an advancement of US CAs
gotcha
The most advanced Eagle CA so far ingame irl
her barrage looks pretty average
not IJN lulw
barrages are alrdy out ?
Unless her barrage at least reaches Roon levels she's gonna be using Roon gun anyways
She's a MGM+1 ship
Cavella not cavalina
Louis iirc is faster/minimally slower
they need to reflect the south dakota class radars
something like lock on version of washington barrage on alabama
Idk if that'd actually be much of an upgrade if at all
Amagi's lockon for PvE imo is not good
And not good for PvP too imo cause consistentcy issues
although it's still 236 x 4 damage
I would prefer it straight for PvP
Don't care too much overall for PvE
amagi is only BB that runs 381 and still has barrage dps when opposing ship sinks
Still if given choice Id prefer to always aim it opposite
I'm not lucky enough to have amagi
they need one that 100% aims direct opponent
and them moves down the line
or fleet order
Early focus fire > more later damage
aimed barrage doesnt have to be exactly like amagi's
just change where the pattern lands
or just give it a Ignore Vanguard component
You barrages like Warspite? (her skill)
na we have enough aim opposite
amagi should usually aims opposing her
Warspite barrage targeting is amazing for PvP
Trash for PvE though
Hmm
there was also this weird thing where her barrage prioritises monarch
Idk amagi hits opposite for me at best 1/4 of the time
It's probably survivorship bias, your impression
if dork was ap
or he
it'd be good for pvp
instead of lel slow main fleet
or make barrages inherit ammo
xD
I was taking vids of Amagi barrage damage and she targeted opposite about 1/6 of the time on first barrage as far as I can tell
well yeah
because there's no weight
6 enemies
means 1/6 chance to shoot what you want
they have like VERY few weighted targeting skills
That was on response to yawn
xD
Yawn said he felt like Amagi targeted opposite more
I think it's survivorship bias
Amagi yeeting opposite leaves more impression than otherwise
you also cant see your own as easily anyways
Took me like 20 tries to get her to yeet opposite once when I was trying to record that
at least you can see enemy amagi circles
One time she targeted opposite but then evasion RNG said, "nah"
And ofc the second match where I switch over to recording dmg taken by my fleet amagi slams opposite offscreen for >1/2 their HP
Though might've been partially torps
xD
i remember the days
when my amagi could 2 shot hiryuu
because no one was running beaver/rudder
thanks 120 scaling
probably
Yeah
Seems to at least avoid productions in PvE
but first mgm and aimed shells can hit their backline anyways
Hmm amagi targeting van with barrage afaik does happen
Afaik the two aren't synced
it seems to have a mind of its own
Iirc I've seen opposite targeted by barrage and not main guns at all
Both needs to happen for the largest yeeting
The kind where a 120 CV without evasion equip takes >1/2 HP
it should be independent
US radar effects should be making main guns and barrage lead the target
true smart targeting
I mean sometimes even shots from same salvo do thier own thing
if ships moved in a pattern leading would work
Especially obvious in PvP when one salvo somehow hits a mob at top and a mob at bottom of screen
might be a mechanic that needs to be implemented to see its value
Leading can work if delay is short, imo
i would like it if we could equip an auto move pattern
since BB aoe is a MOAB
as a fleet slot
Automode AI moves in straight lines before turning anyways
not even the kizuna one
just every fleet gets a choosable move pattern
just mimic the pve ones
Circle of Doom
xD
with predictable movement patterns
leading/aimed shots can work
and prediction can be added as a stat
new radar type
or Computer
xD
Hmm if you had a good movement pattern and enough speed you can pretty much negate most incoming damage on vanguard
Not sure if I like that
kinda, but you could outspeed the dives
making CVs meta while being trash
but OVER TIME
you could boost prediction
and thus ALL aimed items
would become accurate
then add skills that automatically have 100% prediction
like warspite would be an example
if she magically somehow aimed vanguard
she would always know where they would move
because it's a simple calculation of time vs speed
xD
that looks into the enemy ai next movements
well warspite would have to kill all the main fleet before aiming vanguard
so
not likely
but other new ships
or any skill that buffs accuracy
would also help buff prediction
Oh I thought you meant on WS main guns too
i mean, it's impossible for her to aim vanguard
unless all 3 main area dead
so
xD
I think WS secondaries do more damage than her barrage on light armour 
xD
Yeah with her retro buff her first salvo is pretty ridiculous
dork power creep
It's the first barrage salvo
dork's tiny meme guns
130% damage boost
i cant believe they would power creep my dork like that
has aim farthest barrage
bonus damage on first barrage
=/
Well now there's little danger of WSret being powercreeped before release
New USN ships are meh
Sandyret is coming, so WSret probs this year
Even if Bama barrage is broken at best she just gets mashed into Namagi
Probably Jint added to vanguard then
they just have to keep Amagi as best T8
Yeah AL devs afaik are quite WoWS fanbois
oh is that what it is
and apparently the first collab happened because both sides liked each other's game
It's why Bama has torpedo dmg reduction
Afaik doesn't really make sense for Bama to have torpedo dmg reduction otherwise
yeah but what kind of dev would port skills 1:1 ish like that
instead of going
hmm
maybe this doesnt really work
in the game mechanics we set up
xD
And the evasion seems probs a reference to her really good steering characteristics in WoWS
If it applied on TBs at least it'd be more useful
But with how AL mechanics work that's unlikely
like 35% evade would be really interesting for a bb
12 FLAT evade
is like
wow
ok
they dont dare give flat evades much after yat sen
Sad cause WoWS has it apply
amagi
Evade stat
not evade rate
12 evade stat
is pretty sad
if it was 12 evade rate
that would be awesome
They wanted to give amagi 15% evade rate originally
amagi/alabama would straight up dodge 1/4 attacks lol
even if she doesnt hit hard
would be a fun niche
Community backlash made them drop it to 10% "only"
And drop the stat reduction from iirc 12% too
still waiting for tennessee debuff to get a change
wait 30 seconds for 15% damage dealt reduction
strictly inferior to sodak

Okay useless is harsh but it's certainly not very impactful
they should have just given her straight up speed boost
+8 speed on a bb helps with tile movement range
Well it's handling, not speed
and 35% evasion
would go a long way
as a defensive niche
even if her damage wasnt stellar
Bama in WoWS for high tiers has pretty normal speed
No speed boost on her either
Bama has no special consumables
In WoWS her main unique points are the torpedo reduction and handling
Her other strengths are shared with Nocal
oh, then give her the ability to move ;)
Alabama can move randomly in the backline to dodge torpedos and shells, and even when they hit torpedos do less
boom
interesting
Oh man
Moving main fleet ship
Instantly OP for PvP?
add boilers
that's pretty fast
A Z U M A
Well given shell travel times at those distances you don't even need gyros to dodge shells
What, 3+ s?
it could have a cooldown
like how one of the subs move forward
at start of battle
and then returns after a set time
like, "when alabama fires, she moves (Insert Direction)"
or something like that
oh like u101
or even
"starting at 15 seconds, alabama moves and joins the vanguard"
returns after 5 seconds
cooldown 15 seconds
her "handling" would let her keep up with vanguard movements
you could use boilers to boost her speed
well Baltimore is as good as expected 
Balti is an incremental improvement for PvE, arguably even over PRs
and then it works well with her torpedo bulge skill
since she is now in the vanguard she is easily hit by torpedo
so that means her skill and base aa stats help her tank hits
while dishing out damage with her aux gun
oh god it's perfect
PvP Balti for now is just 🚮
only the report thing
is that part of the event?
this is first of the EN anniversary events correct?

oh man if she had that skill
and biscuit had black hole
that would be a fun comp
hold enemy vanguard in place
for alabama to shoot them
while she tanks with her base aa and torpedo reduc

and point blanc salvos
That means first salvo guarantee to be on main
yeah
should be from pvp observations
see, im not even a game designer and that sounds really fun and interesting
she wouldnt even need a barrage
to be interesting
with a skill like that
xD
programmer expresses that he does not know how
Sounds OP but also tunable
Just charge less, and/or give her SHS too to limit impact on vanguard
Might need a secondary damage/reload nerf too
so they just gotta copy pasta that
like that one is actually in code
for a temp move forward
as we know they like copying code
xD
if it's temporary you dont need to
just scrap the barrage
it would become her barrage
like bismarck's is always on, so they took away AGM+2 and 30% damage reduction =/
Erm I think you might be underestimating the power of 3 200 eff DD secondaries backed by BB FP
Anything close gets chewed up
Literally that's more gunpower there than an entire gunboat vanguard
use some ryuusei then ;)
This is guaranteed too unlike sakura big7
There's a good reason why that is 40%
i mean, vanguards dodge dd guns too
also
use medium armor
sanrui should tank those pretty easily
also she can get splashed by dives more easily too
Not well enough
I'd be surprised if in 20s you don't kill at least 2/3 vanguard with just Bama then
True on med armor though
use smoke
like
there are a billion ways around it
medium armor + smoke
would negate that
on first push

like it forces new teams
without stats
azuma gets to be a bc in the frontline
why not make a main fleet
in the vanguard
simple concept
xD
just put her to like 180% efficiency maybe
or match london with 160
Azuma doesn't get BB/BC secondaries
Secondaries on main are super overstatted to make up for their shitty position
Like see how much Bis gives up for her range
And she doesn't even move close
since sendai works on everything
yeah but kms isnt allowed to be good
taking 54% total aux nerf
sendai is quite squish
is normal
at best you get a trade
lead with medium armor
but BB hp pool...
Idk if Sendai can even surivive until her flare even 
Anything to change?
Boilers>boxes usually
the gun
On ykkz is the only arguable one
damage is multiplicative, you cant fix low multipliers with a stronger weapon
AA radar never worth the slot
so you should put the biggest damage on the biggest multiplier
would the swordfist be in core shop next moneth?
pearl on belfast
lel

peal is fine on belfast
to be fair i do too xD
still unsure if i should buy it or not cuz i like buying aux torps for subs
I assume no more magtorps for you available
In that case put normal torps on Jun, the weakest torper
just the PR mosters die too late with pearl
*Sometimes die too late
@strange shuttle for pve I would buy 1
for pvp it's really meh
I tried running sanrui lead
Usually not but not worth risk
got deleted
sanrui will die in lead first though

and also yuki usually dies later than the PR ships
Sanrui can still rando live a long time
Especially if Aurora is a thing
for not dying
Just a question by is boiler more preferred than box?
na sanrui lead will die fast, just everyone else dies just as fast
if aurora is there
best survivability equipment in pvp
box ehp is a MAYBE on ykk
Ykkz maaaybe cause of lower HP
That's the only arguable one
Well bulge on lead is best survivability aux
use bulge on all CL

Bulge only neccesary on lead and useful on trailing
On mid it's not useful enough
i mean she's there to punish heretics
not wimp out by hanging back
that's why i lead with juneau
xD
honestly im not really convinced she's better than aurora in terms of general usage
rudder + bulge?
Bulge on other if lead
Probably engine as mid
like double rudder maybe
wtf
would make her durable enough

cant run 2x rudder
you can for the stats

what
She's just an Aurora counter overall
Did someone say double ruddee
xD
Rudder badge
u cant
Rudder is 1 only
what, why
cant eq 2nd one
It's special
its special
who would do this
that's not like literally every other gear
in the game
and it doesnt say it
poor sod doesnt have enough rudder to test
Asw stuff has that too

theres a special tag on it
lmao
its steering
2x rudder would be OP
Well technically can also be argued for most aux
i mean, you can use double normal wheels lol
I'm going to put camo... ON MY CAMO

I really needyo stop getting rudder parts
I'm going to have rammers... FOR MY RAMMERS
yes
but erebus using mk6 irl is unimaginable
real pvp fleets have 2 of them on each boat same as faving 2 jueno's in a fleet
Sanrui is the only one that would want double +eva I'm pretty sure
i mean
al isnt what we turn to for logic
so
that's why we're here in pvp channel jk
something something your 35k ton BB turned into a waifu
reeee
there's already no realism
i know it's bad
but i WANT to
double oxy tirpitz
mag torps
big deeps
would be fun for anti vanguard pressure
I was disappointed when it cant be done
reminder to do your pee vee pees in case maint overruns...
Also since fleet tech gives torp stat to VG now my fleets have randomly 7/14 torp stat REEEEEE
hint hint
aw noes
8hours
oh that's fine
12+ hours
when was the last 10hours ?
8H for us supposedly
VIP CN gets 6H
VIP CN gets extended maint
im doing so well this season 
the real VIP is jp
now I fear the extended
to be fair, extended maint is bit rarer in al compared to others
hmm you know if baltimore has like 5k hp
i might try her out
since she has an aviation buff
sara appreciates that for her avi scaling skills

maybe try sirius/baltimore for the double avi buff

amagi/essex/sara
doesnt sound like too bad of a meme
maybe aurora for max vanguard destruction
actually this sounds like a fun meme
xD
she's as tanky as Mog Kai
so nothing special on that front
but I will still use her thou 
🇺🇸
oh that isnt bad then
like 5k hp with 70-80 evade
should work
as a carrier supporter
a beefy sirius but no hit rate boost
so i just COMBINE the two
for ultimate power

toss juneau in front cause yeah

my plan is perfect
plus sara's escort fleet buffs up sirius and baltimore guns
guah ha ha haa
oh and conveniently i hit 4 eagle for essex
Too bad Balti has standard CA speed
Although, her buff should be perma
3 boilers minimum then
Gyros probs still not good enough
Her gunnery is still worse than the PRs
i think if she has mogami tier hp
she can get away with gyro
over boiler
if she's more like minne tier hp
then yeah boiler
mogami tier hp but lower speed with higher luck
If the PRs don't even use gyros then Balti doesn't
Azuma is special
i mean, there's no reason to run boiler on sanrui
since she has her skill
she wants evasion
and she has a boiler built in
roon is uh
yeah roon is something
xD
spood beest is fun 
If you run lead jun with bulge/pearl and ykkz with ext/engine (not pearl, derp) then Sanrui should get a +speed equip
oh, ive been trying just +24 total speed recently
instead of 32
ive been catching a lot of shots with 32
bias things
xD
Idk 24 is where I start catching them
32 is mostly fine
40 isn't much better
Output of nonAzuma CA isn't really good enough to use the hit well
And HP on Azuma is bonkers
And CA base hit isn't that bad anyways
i mean, she's 60 under ykk with 0 luck
it's pretty bad
137
+70 hit main fleets are just a bit over that
minus retros
who are really silly
137 is before affection bonuses
that's with 100 affection yeah
prolly safe cos its only "8 hrs"
Erm afaik datamine is without affection
pretty big maint, smth might happan 
136 at 120
i was talking saint louis
Oh I meant baltimore
Baltimore hits 150+ at lv120 at 200 aff
Did we know what mods are on her first skill yet
i mean even 100 hit BBs do just fine
Whats the hit on wskai
100
Compare Bama with 64 before affection base
Which is standard for BB/BC
normal bbs are 70 zone
Vanguards are all high hit
retro bbs get pretty good bonuses
DDs pretty much all reach 200
150 is one of the best for a CA
CLs are almost 200
yeah but all CAs are sub 130
which means that they will be LESS accurate than the average bb
+35 hit is roughly 7% hit rate so its not much of a boost
in addition to their restrictive fire arc
of course if they're using rudder/radar the bbs are lower
xD
but +70 is definitely tied or higher
than ALL CAs
minus exeter

For balti SG boosts her hitrate from about 70% to 75% on CL-eva VGs
ye, balti base hit is only lower than sanrui, ibuki and Exeter
kek
so that's what at least 5% free hit rate
62 to 67 vs ykkz, or so
welp noone pushing might as well rush before i forget 
with fate sim things should get better, a bit
@fierce field afaik datamined 136 is without affection boosts
ye it's base
Otherwise bama 64 seems too low
fate sim 15 luck op op
why would they add these into the wiki
already
if they arent adjusting like the rest
lol
that's weird
man too bad lusty's shield isnt based on aviation
that would be fun to build around
baltimore/sirius/qe for like +45% avi
then BIG SHIELD
xD
Bama 64 is one of the lowest actually 
damn
isnt that 2nd lowest?
although actually kizuna has free hit in her skill
so it's actual lowest
o.O
lower than those wwi BBs
what have u done devs 
magic lane
yeah even with base 55 hit kizuna gets 25% hit so she reaches 68 hit
so alabama will be the LOWEST hit xD
or i guess maybe a tiny bit higher if the affection isnt in there
barely
Tacos retro 
alter taco
she looks cool ngl
~~not like I will use her
~~
Omfg this is bs
My internet cuts out for 10 mins right before reset
And now ofc it's perfectly fine
3 I think
Nowait 2
I ran 1 before that
But still, bsssssssss
Literally just randomly dies
And comes back right at reset sharp to taunt me
big oof
Well pretty sure I'm never gonna have a season without dropped matches 
At least not since months ago
First time it wasn't my own fault though
couldn't you use mob data ? 
I don't usually use it so it wouldn't have been in time anyways
Took me ~5 mins to realize it wasn't just my wifi
lul
Also apparently cutting out like that somehow got AL stuck so I had to restart phone first
Game wouldn't load
the infinite jumping manjuus?
That then upon reopen app just black screen
Then I restarted phone to find no connection
Then I jumped over to PC and started emu to find my home internet all down
Shit happens I suppose
Shouldn't give me trouble hitting AotN probably
wouldnt your mobile internet take over and you just need to hit reconnect
Again I don't ever use my data so I don't have it set up
Plus I didn't realize the issue I was having for a good while
but internet cutting out like that is unfortunate
i always rush now

im enjoying akiba rn let it overtime
syanda u need to tell jp team to try harder
al things are fucking hard to find
here
u only see figs and posters from time to time

no al only section in any shops
Did ppl already datamine alabama’s skills? What are they
Alabama
1: Self evasion increased by 3-12 points, own torp damage taken reduced by 5-20%; every 20s, 40-70% chance to fire a barrage, scales with skill level
2: During sortie, for every enemy fleet sunk, increase self firepower by 0.5-2%, after defeating 5 enemy fleets, reduce backline damage taken by 3.5-8%;
During battle, for every enemy ship self sunk, increase firepower by 0.5-2%, stacking 8 times.
"new patch just rolled out, birm got nerfed, +30% eva chance is now +40% eva stats, and -2 eva stats
balt got more HP and AA, her shell has chances to cause armor break effect now
bama got some more FP and AA, her barrage now has +5% proc chance
bataan also got 5% more barrage proc chance"

75% barrage 


