pvp

[vague token]

oof

[hot creek]

well at least i can get some numbers

https://puu.sh/DYGbK/da03489e05.png

[ionic magnet]

but monarch synced with trip 381?

oh qe

[vague token]

yo dat big cent deeps

[hot creek]

Yeah I think so. Centaur launches as monarchs first salvo is in the air.

[vague token]

yeah that sounds right

19 vs 20

or so

you wont catch the slow

but the damage buff is there

[ionic magnet]

hmm i want the slow if possible

[vague token]

uh that is tough

centaur can only go under 20 with double skyrocket

so you have to use 406

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/DYGdR/f1ee27ed79.png found another comp

another junuea front tho, what even

[ionic magnet]

406 it is i guess

[vague token]

juneau front is important for sanrui

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

otherwise sanrui dies first

and she doesnt really do much more than belfast

[hot creek]

rly tho

[vague token]

imo yes

but that's just me

ryuusei + torps + random shells or big seven usually kills sanrui lead

cause lel medium

with belfast you smoke big seven and amagi barrage at least

or you go aurora for more pressure

neptune is more reliable than sanrui outside of aurora imo

especially in lead slot

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/DYGg4/800d812ce2.png one win so far. PogChamp

[vague token]

ill probably try centaur when she hits 120

to go with biscuit shelling

drop sara for centaur probs

[elder crane]

Bel still
Sheff does her job better for stall

[vague token]

does she? i just figured bel was better since you also deal with foxes still

i am a shef supporter though

she is the best

[hot creek]

aight I got nine matches in against that last comp. time to finish my matches

oh wait i actually got the full 10

4-6 w/l

pretty bad

I think KGV's damage is just too good to give up

good chance of nuking enemy Juneau's before they can heal

[coral wren]

Found kharnie.

[elder crane]

Oh well if foxes are an issue Bel is better
If it's namagi though sheff is usually superior

[hot creek]

I wonder if I can replace yuki with an HMS

stupid cat is too op to not take though

[ionic magnet]

god almost forgot matches

[hot creek]

and I need the DD speed

[vague token]

aurora

all in bois

jk

[elder crane]

And HMS DDs are...

[vague token]

just toss 2 boilers

xD

[elder crane]

Well just one extra boiler needed afaik

"just"

[hot creek]

I've used Aurora before, she's pretty dope but dies too quick. I actually rely on yuki a lot when Nep dies too early

[vague token]

well if it's ykk with a boiler you need 2

[ionic magnet]

just trash qe and you'll start to win

[elder crane]

One extra

[vague token]

or just double boiler juneau

[lunar veldt]

Just run triple HMS bb

[hot creek]

From what I've tested, non QE HMS isnt all that great tbh but I will test once I get more time to

[steep fog]

putting CA in the comp sucks

cos the AI will make them go to the middle

and eat the full nagato barrage

at least from my experience

[ionic magnet]

thats not what i got from my tests with qe

[vague token]

just run norfolk

she's a scared CA

she'll run to the back ;)

[ionic magnet]

why not ykkz instead of bel

[elder crane]

Hmm I wonder if, supposing ship personality does affect auto-mode movement AI, if the lead ship sinks, AI pattern changes

[coral wren]

Can confirm, qe hms from my games was way worse than non qe hms

[lunar veldt]

Because I wasn't there for ykkz

I put Juneau on def for fun

I run this for off, cuz hur hur hms bias

I use to run Aurora but she just dies too fast, swiftsure is more reliable overall

even If I have ykkz I won't even use her, my current comp works albeit requires more work and lil bit of luck

Kek people who say they run hms comp with other nations are just pressured by the meta

Qe is a liability whether u like it or not, hur hur but 15% buff, nah it's useless and u are practically 5v6

[coral wren]

^

[lunar veldt]

But I guess without WarKai the QE/monarch/centaur work but monarch and your front-line can only do so much

[coral wren]

daxam left at the wrong time

[void nebula]

What gun would u use in pvp for Nagato, hood gun?

[coral wren]

[lunar veldt]

Daxam is hard on QE idk why but cmon she is a liability

She will be good only if she gets a barrage + a kai

If he went to the og community server he would have been eaten out alive by "pvp" vets for his comps

[coral wren]

Honestly, i can see the difference between having 15% and not, but it doesn't compensate for basically losing a whole backline boat. Monarch/kgv/ws is working just way better on my practice

When ws kai hits en i guess something will change, but not drastically

[lunar veldt]

The only argument I see people who say QE is good is that she helps the frontline and buff monarch and the other backline

If your monarch miss with that poor accuracy rate and luck of hers you arr screwed

[cerulean estuary]

things that make PVP unbalance ( my personal opinion )

BARRAGES
INVULNERABILITY
FULL EVASION

Heal is OK coz i love juneau

[vague token]

[lunar veldt]

And your frontline is useless when they die to torps 15% is countered by people who run 1 rainbow and gold sg on torp meme comp or when u are noy lucky

End of the day the current QE sucks

Post WS kai*

Even now with centaur she is questionable

[ionic magnet]

qe is a legit ship until they released the true king of hms

[lunar veldt]

Almost 100 eva amagi

[ionic magnet]

now she has just no slot unless you want to sacrifice win rates

[lunar veldt]

And not even 200 aff or counting the buff

[lament lichen]

lol z flag

[ionic magnet]

what does that flag give

[lunar veldt]

More numbers

[ionic magnet]

[lunar veldt]

Gotta hit that 15k

I wouldn't mind if QE kai gives accuracy buff

[coral wren]

what your fdg and azuma dev level at?

[lunar veldt]

Cuz a 100+ eva amagi is just ridiculous

Too lazy to grind azuma

Cn rates her highly for pvp

At max dev

She replaces San rui iirc

[hot creek]

lmao comparing HMS comps in a post WS Kai meta. Why are you even bothering tbh

[lunar veldt]

even now with centaur and kgv she is questionable

By meeting kgv requirements, she does high Alpha damage

[coral wren]

Damn, it feels like frenchies have more potential to become a solid team if they get their flagship

rather than uss

[sharp wing]

Too bad their vg DD focused

Imagine they had CL comp

But we yet to get that kawaii Jeanne d'Ark

[coral wren]

Well, we will see what do jeand'arc's skills look like. I just hope they won't make em appear on iris rerun 2 more times, for d'arc and richelieu

Right now i imagine their vg to be jesus darc and sanrui

[sharp wing]

Nanoda

[fast dune]

what does sandbagging mean?

[coral wren]

Is this fine for HMS backline?

Yes

I suppose you don't have kgv

[steep fog]

shell huh

I still prefer double sg

[coral wren]

Equipmentwise it's, uh, you need to do some work

[steep fog]

[coral wren]

I do have KGV but is she really worth it?

Also, check tier list in pins, there is some equip data for you for each of thoe boats

Lmao, yes

Damn, daxam elft and noone wants to update tier list for hms

[steep fog]

if u want to stick with hms backline, it should be kgv monarch centaur I think

[coral wren]

Yep, it's prolly the best atm

[steep fog]

then the usual cancer of ykkz and juneau

[coral wren]

What do you recommend equipping ykkz?

[steep fog]

I run boiler + fire ext

[coral wren]

Also i don't really know why is noone seriously considering aurora for mid, but she works perfectly to help kgv glass ijn shitters

[steep fog]

btw I spent my attempts

like a true scrub

[sharp wing]

Why Aurora has such ugly face, esp on anniv skin...

[coral wren]

ask the artist who drew her

[sharp wing]

She's a turn off

[coral wren]

Damn, what if players could modify ingame art freely

[sharp wing]

Then there no point to play "waifu game", just mod any game

[coral wren]

Well, this is how it is in 2019. Just give ppl mod toolkit and they will finish what devs can't by themselves

[elder crane]

Wait isn't Koln and London retro out
is this for KR or something?

[finite valve]

https://www.azurlane.jp/news-item.html?i=1098

this is on their official website

[elder crane]

oh
"There is no change in the lineup at the core data shop in August."

🇫 to getting shop Sub/ASW equip, or black shells

[finite valve]

not like i care about sub anyway

[elder crane]

Oh right those are voices
I'm blind

[finite valve]

3 build only ships

dk if bad or not tbh

http://is2.4chan.org/vg/1564399155970.png

also 8h maint

[coral wren]

rip pvp i guess

[finite valve]

fixed patch note

so the kai just getting a voice update

[safe meteor]

Sea fury new best fighter, or still the old VF-17 Corsair?

[elder crane]

Sea fury uses standard bombs
Which means it's just a Seafang variant

[safe meteor]

oh i see

does any build change for like Nakaga?

[elder crane]

Nope
it's not used in PvP

For PvE the AA guns on it are about F6F levels so it's an option there

more burst but worse at following up

Well
to be kind it's an option alongside F6F if you don't have VF17 or Reppu

In terms of HP and crash damage it's nothing special either, in case you're wondering (both in the positive and negative senses)

[safe meteor]

i sadly dont have VF17, but i do have Reppu

[elder crane]

Reppu is pretty much always superior for PvP, over F6F or Sea Fury

[safe meteor]

guess i use Reppu + Swordfish 818 for Akagi
Sea Fury + Ryusei for Kaga?

[elder crane]

Seems reasonable

[safe meteor]

Kaga has better torp bomber efficiency, she should get the Ryusei, right?

[elder crane]

Yep
Or Barracuda is another option
But usually it's Ryuusei

[sharp wing]

Sea Fury is a copy of Seafang. For some reason it is left with T3 bombs, but get's T0 guns. Loadout itself is identical to Seafang. It's very slightly slower (0.01 sec), so it get's very slightly less surface dps, but significantly more AA dps/burst.

Also i had app crash during pvp match and looks like i permanently lost ticket

[elder crane]

Also a bit better plane HP and suicide damage
bringing it up to about on par with F6F

[sharp wing]

But a bit slower flight speed

Well, AA dps increase of Sea Fury not really irrelevant

It actually better, than reppuu

t0 20mm cannons probably have higher reload

[finite valve]

t0 and t3 is the same tier tho?

[sharp wing]

Should they give it t0 bombs

t0 and t3 not same tho?

when comparing same equip piece

[sharp wing]

That table isn't correct

t0 bombs have higher damage

[finite valve]

then where's the correct version?

[sharp wing]

t0 guns faster reload

EN wiki has no cn/jp testers atm...

New team is lame...

[finite valve]

i still need a link for said data tho

[sharp wing]

I asked em to add planes speed and crash damage from individual planes pages to comparison table, still waiting

look jp/cn wiki probably

looks like CN wiki down atm?

^

Actually, CN data is conflicting

Or more like, EN wiki has it wrong

In comparison table on CN Sea Fury t0 guns even more damage, than type 99 Japanese 20mm

85 damage is damage of Type 99

t0 looks to be 86

t3 20 mm 80

EN wiki just assumes t0=t3

So in reality Sea Fury has also more burst, then Reppuu

[elder crane]

Isn't that the in-game listed damage

[sharp wing]

unlike what EN wiki shows

[elder crane]

Which is useless cause it means nothing

[sharp wing]

It's actual gun damage

[finite valve]

you use reppu for AA bait tho?

i was interested in sea fury vs f4u

[elder crane]

That and the higher suicide damage

[sharp wing]

f4u is speed

[elder crane]

Afaik CN peeps also say VF17 the only one with T0 bombs

[sharp wing]

it has low suicide and burst

[elder crane]

The suicide is <10% lower than F6F/Sea Fury though iirc, not that much

And it has same plane HP as F6F, over 5% higher than Reppu iirc

[sharp wing]

not 10%

[finite valve]

so in essence sea fury > f6f > f4u while reppu is just for AA bait?

[sharp wing]

148 vs 156

[elder crane]

156 is F6F though
Sea fury is 160 iirc and Reppu even higher

[sharp wing]

f4u is fast launch + most bomb damage

reppuu actually has low

[elder crane]

Also a nice 5% AA buff

[sharp wing]

nvm

[elder crane]

Which is a dred for ships on incoming aviation damage

[finite valve]

so sea fury is a discounted banana for higher suicide dmg and better AAish?

[fierce field]

What's the topic of this conversation again? I'm intrigued

[sharp wing]

weeb stuff

move on

[finite valve]

comparing planes stat

[sharp wing]

EN wiki used to have detailed table w/ plane hp

now there no plane hp even in individual pages

I'd rather link to that in CN wiki

Navigating it can be hell

No, i mean

[fierce field]

What's the difference between the "dps" and the "burst" show in EN wiki?

[sharp wing]

I'd like link

[midnight heron]

http://wiki.joyme.com/blhx/全武器对护甲补正一览 :3

[sharp wing]

Burst is damage of guns before they start reload

dps is damage with reload calculations

usually only burst matters, cause guns reload too slow to make second salvo

[elder crane]

Sea Fury is basically like an alternate F6F

[sharp wing]

Substitute

at least

[fierce field]

Same AA damage? I thought hellcat is a bit better?

[sharp wing]

not same

they have diff set of guns

[elder crane]

Bette:
AA burst
Suicide base damage
Plane speed
Reload
(all minimally)
Worse:
AA DpS
Plane health
(all minimally)

[sharp wing]

Reload is rather higher tho

0.3 sec

[finite valve]

tfw you don't use f6f for even 2 CV set up anyway

[sharp wing]

yeah well

[elder crane]

I meant better/worse, lol whoops

[sharp wing]

vf + repuu

[finite valve]

yeh

[sharp wing]

vf buff for incoming planes suicide is just good

[elder crane]

For those who missed VF and 1st reppu, Reppu/Fury is decent enough

[sharp wing]

yeah

or double reppuu

[elder crane]

missed 1st Reppu

[sharp wing]

I almost got 3rd from PR

[elder crane]

Well you don't have third one though still

[sharp wing]

Also some lucksacs farmed it

Well, i have 2 from events

I farmed both, but droprates too depressive

Almost got 3rd ryussei from PR too

[finite valve]

3 reppu and 7 ryuusei 1 each from PR

[sharp wing]

I use 1 atm anyway

not even using second till cent maybe

[elder crane]

I didn't even bother to farm cause I knew rate was trash

[sharp wing]

YEah... It's just TRASH

really

[elder crane]

No Sirens even, and has ambush on map

[finite valve]

don't you want to use vf and reppu mix for cen tho?

[sharp wing]

vf is stuck on pvp ship

[finite valve]

oh

thought you meant cen for pvp

[sharp wing]

Well, if

cent + Wasd

[elder crane]

I prefer Reppu for now
Since CV damage isn't too big overall on the matchups that matter

[sharp wing]

[elder crane]

Better to up your own damage imo

[sharp wing]

well, vf also has bigger bomb damage

but that's rng

untill you wipe vg

[elder crane]

Reppu bait+higher suicide means overall better output imo, especially for solocv

[sharp wing]

bait thing might not even be that good

sometimes it even cause slower planes to get hit twice

also bait planes might get killed

[elder crane]

only if the vanguard charges

[sharp wing]

reducing total damage

[elder crane]

also I gtg

[sharp wing]

I'd consider also slot efficiencies, since suicide not affected by it

On low eff suicide damage preferable

[hot creek]

so I just tested against this https://puu.sh/DYPWq/2c6b3b6a4e.png and the data is pretty damning

https://puu.sh/DYPXy/aac42b7694.png

turns out, non QE comps are fucking overrated as I thought

also Monarch constantly missing her barrage against Amagi, that is even if she manage to get over the 70% hurdle. what a joke

[sharp wing]

Long live the Queen.

[hot creek]

Guess what, it turns out extra 15% fleet wide evasion buff actually does something. Who would have thought. Oh, and the extra FP and Torps is nice too.

[finite valve]

[hot creek]

Nep has 160% torp efficiency

pretty nice

[sharp wing]

So we might need hundred battles for

[hot creek]

#DaxamWasRight

[sharp wing]

And what rate had yr Vic/QE/Cent

[hot creek]

lmao I didn't test that comp. Guess I might as well, got an hour left before I have to finish pvps

[sharp wing]

I'm curious

Most likely will fail hard

So Vic can tank Amagi

[stark raft]

omegabuffed KGV hurts

[sharp wing]

A King for the Queen.

[hot creek]

tfw QE/Centaur/Victorious has better win rate than KGV/Centaur/Monarch

3-7

vs 2-8 against namagiyuu

this comp is actually hilarious when it works

Cause Vicc and 406 QE perfectly sync with Centaur

so if the stars align and Cent's torps hit VG for slow and QE aims at VG, nuking can happen.

[lunar veldt]

probably only works against low 14k namagi comps

[hot creek]

refer to the above picture for the comp I tested against

[lunar veldt]

Putting Juneau infront is so dumb even on def

That's a low power composition, it's nice and all that u are able to win

But try to fight higher pwr comps of that variation

Your results will be different

Very diff

[sharp wing]

lol

[hot creek]

Sure bud. I'm guessing you think VG with x6 oxy is the best comp? lol please

[sharp wing]

[hot creek]

x6 oxy is a lotta powwa

[sharp wing]

powahcrepe

[finite valve]

[lunar veldt]

wut

u dont need x6 to hit 14k

that guy probably did not have max equipments

[sharp wing]

Actual EN optimised VG is sub 14k

14k is meme

[finite valve]

the point is any comp that reach 14k are not optimal

period

[sharp wing]

Don't comapre to CN/JP

[lunar veldt]

look at that 13130 is kinda low

[hot creek]

Are you actually suggesting oxy torps? Omegalul

[sharp wing]

That IS optimal

[lunar veldt]

no

[sharp wing]

13.4k is pretty optimal setup with SR ship

13.1k is cause no Bel SR

[lunar veldt]

+10 tool and washingmachine can easily reach 13..5-13.8

[finite valve]

lel

[sharp wing]

esdhingmachine

LMAO

[hot creek]

Washing machine on VG?

[sharp wing]

it's EN dude

[hot creek]

rofl

[sharp wing]

We don't have 6 washing machines in EN

What are you smoking

[trim horizon]

[lunar veldt]

[finite valve]

are you talking about full +10 washing for VG?

cus that is ain't optimal

[lunar veldt]

3 washingmachine is more than enough

[sharp wing]

Ppl at best have 2 washing on EN

[stark raft]

wdym my 3 washing machine and lunchbox vg aint optimal?

[sharp wing]

and they mostly go to backline

[stark raft]

[finite valve]

you still don't want full washing for VG

[sharp wing]

xD

[lunar veldt]

oh mm my bad, then its gonna be low

[finite valve]

you do not want your jesus to out live back line

[lunar veldt]

also juneau front

[finite valve]

just the thought of making jesus more tanky is a crime of itself

[lunar veldt]

is so bad'

[sharp wing]

It's actually good

Not on def, but on off it is

[finite valve]

eh good goal moving lel

[lunar veldt]

correct not on def

only on off

[finite valve]

your point was about how the power rating is not high enough

now said that jesus front is bad

[sharp wing]

Well, for EN 13.4k is pretty much top for optimal VG

[lunar veldt]

ye i didnt realised that EN does not have atleast 3 washingmachine at that point

[finite valve]

i can admit that jesus tank is bad

[lunar veldt]

😛

[hot creek]

Juneau front isn't actually that bad against non fox comps imo. When nakaga was meta, sure but namagi meta is a lil different.

[finite valve]

it still does not change the fact that washing on jesus is bad

period

[lament lichen]

I have 3 rudders

[stark raft]

2 rudders

[sharp wing]

1

[lament lichen]

Im on the way for number 4

[sharp wing]

[stark raft]

time to put your rudders on vg

[finite valve]

i have 2 and i don't even use 1 of them

[sharp wing]

I use 1 on main

Well, you are foxes user?

[finite valve]

i use rudder on sirius

amagi get beaver

[sharp wing]

Sodako get's beaver

[finite valve]

so unless i switch to cancer yeh that rudder going to be free either way

[sharp wing]

On cancer it's beaver ryuu and rudder nyaga for me

[hot creek]

I don't even use a single rudder in my current HMS comp. They need all the accuracy they can get. Don't wanna let KGV's omegaboosted firepower go to waste. Centaur carries beaver.

[finite valve]

glass cannon team

either sink or swim

[stark raft]

HMS have thicc ships

[sharp wing]

double CV HMS new meta

[stark raft]

[sharp wing]

Thicc is justice

[hot creek]

well, 15% eva from QE helps you know. But of course, none of you use QE so you don't.

[stark raft]

hey now, i also have a 120 QE

[sharp wing]

[stark raft]

[sharp wing]

I use to shit on QE

[finite valve]

as if that matter when you don't even use them on def or that they ain't going to win vs anyone on def

not that i know since i am not in sandy zzz

[stark raft]

caring about def fleet

[finite valve]

unless said comp can stall like 5+ matches out of 10 on def

winning on off is still whatever imo

[sharp wing]

Tbh the more ppl defend QE, the more it becomes turn off for rest

[stark raft]

well HMS right now is

pick a queen or king

[finite valve]

someone in sandy should fight his comp on off to see how effective it is

[sharp wing]

Oh, gotta do my tix till i'm distracted w/ other game again

[hot creek]

I will defend her as long as the winrates keep up . And so far they do.

nah, KGV/Centaur/QE use both king and queen

[finite valve]

niche comp for a bunch of niche user

[stark raft]

What VG were you using?

[finite valve]

[hot creek]

Neptune/Yukikaze/Juneau

[stark raft]

dev 30 nep and monarch yeah?

[finite valve]

thought you go full on hms VG like daxam

[hot creek]

I do have both at dev 30, yeah.

[stark raft]

Time to look for some unfortunate ijn lolis

[sharp wing]

Only Blackie goes full hms

[hot creek]

meta cat too op to ignore. if x4 HMS is enough to buff KGV then its enough for me.

[sharp wing]

He also oathed all hms

[lunar veldt]

smh using nep/ykkz/juneau isnt really a hms comp but okay

[sharp wing]

Point of using full HMS without QE?

200 IQ plays?

[stark raft]

bUt yOu NeEd qE fOr HmS omegalul

[lunar veldt]

i guess for now u need her

[stark raft]

rename it to KGV navy then

HKS

[sharp wing]

Her Kingesty Ship?

[finite valve]

WS kai alone just kill shit so what that qe is just whatever in her face

[lunar veldt]

but really dont call it a hms comp when u are using other nation

just defeats the purpose

[sharp wing]

It only matters for main

[lunar veldt]

wut

lol

[sharp wing]

any fleet you call HMS or IJN on EN will have at least 1 non faction ship

There no pure 1 faction fleets

[lament lichen]

Most run the same front line

[lunar veldt]

thats why if u really like hms might as well run a pure fleet that works

[sharp wing]

lol

[stark raft]

lmao

[sharp wing]

That really not works as good

[wicked rivet]

why would you run a pure fleet except for the meme as defense

[sharp wing]

cause meme

[hot creek]

Like I said, x4 enough to buff KGV, enough to buff Amagi. I will call it HMS easy.

[wicked rivet]

^

[sharp wing]

ppl who play pure HMS without QE...

[wicked rivet]

use as many as u need to get the buff and then use best from there

QE in 2019

[stark raft]

Ya ppl complaining no QE in hms are brainlets

[lunar veldt]

wut QE does not work once warkai comes in

[wicked rivet]

imagine is QE Kai gets a synergy with KGV

[sharp wing]

There 0 point for full hms then

aside from meme

And you know it, lol

[lunar veldt]

same as running with other fraction

[wicked rivet]

QE works even worse than before now that centaur is out

[lunar veldt]

dont call it hms comp if u are running with other fractions wth

[sharp wing]

Yeah, ok

lmao

[wicked rivet]

Monarch, KGV, and Dork/Hood before. but now just use centaur

[stark raft]

ya lemme just call it King G with tha bois

[finite valve]

you can't exactly call any comp to be a full faction comp with jesus and ykk in the mix

[wicked rivet]

HMS comp = you have an hms synergy somewhere in the fleet

[sharp wing]

Let's call it HMS + cancer

[finite valve]

all the comp will use them

[wicked rivet]

I use IJN comp

[lunar veldt]

u keep defending QE but wait till she drops in levels of perforrmance as more ships gets introduced

[wicked rivet]

with dork and bel

[sharp wing]

guys, guys, there no HMS and IJN comps in EN

Stop calling it that xD

[wicked rivet]

[finite valve]

unless new ship got a full faction buff like qe

[lunar veldt]

or when u face hiryuu kai, no amount of 15% will save u

[finite valve]

i doubt ppl will stop using her

[hot creek]

IJN comps that run Juneau are not IJN comps then

[stark raft]

[sharp wing]

Yeah, there no IJN on EN

[wicked rivet]

[sharp wing]

Same as HMS

[finite valve]

he thinks that hiryuu kai is the end of all other comp

[sharp wing]

lmao

[finite valve]

when the truth is WS is the anchor not hiryuu

[sharp wing]

Azuma

[lunar veldt]

before WSkai come to the other servers i was using QE/monarch/centaur and god it hurts against a 120 hiryuu kai and amagi

[sharp wing]

WS not thicc enough

[finite valve]

saying hiryuu kai hurt when WS kai was not a thing

[sharp wing]

And you prolly used full HMS

[finite valve]

and your point is?

[lunar veldt]

[wicked rivet]

my fleet is full 120/200 besides bel so im ready for the hiryuu namagi fleets next season

[sharp wing]

Hiryuu kai is ages after ws kai...

[lunar veldt]

to me QE is just a meh ship

[wicked rivet]

they gonna die and 15s wont be long enough

she is a meh ship

[sharp wing]

What universe you run Hiryuu Kai before ws kai

[finite valve]

qe is a meh ship at the end of the day

[lunar veldt]

she is just a buffer and a meat bag

[finite valve]

no one going to question that

[lunar veldt]

practically 5v6

[wicked rivet]

worst dere, loli, and has a good buff but no damage to back it up

[finite valve]

her effectiveness is another thing

[sharp wing]

And she doesn't buff Acc...

Aka 🚮

[hot creek]

no u

[sharp wing]

no u x10

[hot creek]

damn, you got me.

[sharp wing]

[wicked rivet]

oh shit tru

its just dmg buff

[sharp wing]

she buffs eva... instead

And running no acc buff vs Amagi already hurts a lot

with no amagi

[lunar veldt]

theres a reason why u dont even see QE much in tier list of servers or HMS variations from other servers

[finite valve]

if that the case shouldn't amagi also be trash since she buff eva?

[stark raft]

now thats 200 iq

[sharp wing]

Amagi is not main fleet buffer tho

[stark raft]

at the end of the day

[sharp wing]

and she has offense

[stark raft]

you can never lose in pvp

[sharp wing]

[stark raft]

and King G with the bois speedruns vs cancer so thats what i use

[finite valve]

not correct

[lunar veldt]

[stark raft]

[sharp wing]

I run Wasd for all i care

[finite valve]

you can lose pvp due to not remembering to do tix

[sharp wing]

No pls...

[stark raft]

or get stalled into next season

big oof

[finite valve]

is almost the norm here that every ss always got at least 1 person who forgot to do tix

[sharp wing]

i missed 7 already

[stark raft]

oh fuck 5 mins til reset

[sharp wing]

oh shite

[stark raft]

thank god Wash server rushes like mad so you can easily do 3 tix at reset and get bonus

[finite valve]

see what i mean

[sharp wing]

Got meme fleets anyway

[stark raft]

[finite valve]

[sharp wing]

bbl

bad doge

[stark raft]

rusher spotted

[sharp wing]

dat name...

[stark raft]

now we wait

[sharp wing]

Shield Hero ref

My leftmost 2 are meme...

gotta guess

[stark raft]

closest we have to Raphtalia is

[sharp wing]

her idle sprite is fcking hilarious tho

[trim horizon]

out

[sharp wing]

[wicked rivet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/550458061479870515/577693136952754176/wakabaNom3.gif

[sharp wing]

🌰

[sharp wing]

They are not all blue-eyed blonds, lame

[stark raft]

1 red 2 green 3 blue

[sharp wing]

biscuit

[stark raft]

good taste than some other meme fleets

[sharp wing]

replace kgv w/ hood

[stark raft]

bisko looks too stiff

[sharp wing]

meh

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
QE...

Blue-eyed blond

HMs lacks 1 more readhead main ship for full redhead fleet

[coral wren]

Hey guys last time i checked the tierlist(like 2 months ago i think) this was the top1 but with hiryuukai. Have there been any changes from then?

[hot creek]

Hiryuu kai isn't on EN yet but yes, its still a top tier fleet

[coral wren]

Wow isnt that just boring

[hot creek]

Indeed

[coral wren]

So much time passed and no changes at all

[stark raft]

it's all up to you anyway

[hot creek]

Well, upcoming USN event might shake things up but don't hold your breath

Devs tend to be IJN biased

all the stupidly strong ships are IJN

[coral wren]

Hmm

Tbh i dont expect anything from that event

[sharp wing]

I expect a complete choco fleet

[coral wren]

In pve nagato uses triple 381. Does she still prefer the twin 381 in pvp?

[wicked rivet]

yes

[sharp wing]

One of the things about triple 381/406 in pvp is also that, they shoot into rudder proc

Tho it's not much relevant

[ionic magnet]

20 matches with 2 comps doesnt tell much

this is daxam all over again

thats why i dont want to update the tierlist without proper testing

daxam so overrated he doesn't even use kgv smh

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

kek

[stark raft]

50 or 100 matches with screenshots should suffice?

gonna have to find oathed namayuus in washington then

[lament lichen]

Didnt he kept forcing monarch on his team

[ionic magnet]

depends how the fights are going but yea need more than 20 for sure

also would be better to test vs 5 ppl or smth

[stark raft]

my team has 2 PR's at 30 though and that shit is too niche

my cent also needs levelling

[ionic magnet]

cos sometimes 1 comp can get countered by 1 guy but wins vs the rest

[sharp wing]

Ohboi, i guess it's time.

TorpMEME time

[vague token]

[ionic magnet]

[sharp wing]

Oh, so i guess VF17 t0 bombs have 380 damage, compared to 360 t3 bombs

that's half way to from 500 to 1k bomb in damage

[hot creek]

I dont plan on stopping tests. I will battle all the leveled namagyuus I see, provided the time.

But so far, Centaur is doing good work. And QE is still good.

[fierce field]

wait who does a better job at AA? F6F or Sea Fury? F6F has more dps while Sea Fury has more burst damage

[finite valve]

for pve both work
for pvp you would want either reppu + vf for 2 CV or vf for solo CV

[fierce field]

I want some minmaxing thou

[finite valve]

you don't use sea fury for min max tho?

vf and reppu are better

[fierce field]

I don't have VF-17. So how about Reppu + Sea Fury or Reppu + Hellcat?

or just run double Reppu?

[finite valve]

reppu is just for AA bait

[ionic magnet]

[finite valve]

i think reppu + sea fury?

[ionic magnet]

using two baits contradicts its purpose

[finite valve]

sea fury is just a sub for f6f

[ionic magnet]

tbh sea fang/sea fury/hellcat are all the same to me

[finite valve]

sea fury is in the middle between f6f and sea fang

[vague token]

2 million more xp to go for roon

oh boi

[ionic magnet]

i just use the fastest one (sea fang) cos the difference in dmg and whatnot is so small to matter

[vague token]

[finite valve]

done roon first week of PR

[ionic magnet]

[fierce field]

the sea fury is slower than the sea fang like 0.01 second
while u have better AA gun

[ionic magnet]

yea ik and it doesn't matter

[finite valve]

hope you guys farmed your asw gear

[vague token]

i mean, dont you only need 1?

[fierce field]

only have blue gear, do SOS everyday

[finite valve]

wdym only need 1?

[wicked rivet]

But will the subs be bosses cause if not my botes aint getting asw shit

[finite valve]

1 of what?

[vague token]

1 asw set

[finite valve]

well if you only use it on mob fleet sure

[vague token]

unless they're adding non-suicide subs to mob

you only need asw for boss

[finite valve]

so unless they add both sub for mob and boss

[vague token]

and that is only if there's a human sub

[fierce field]

well u need sonar + depth charge
tbh I don't think it will be hard

[finite valve]

can make do

i think you means siren sub

[vague token]

is it all siren or are there ijn mixed in though?

[finite valve]

go data mine

[vague token]

[finite valve]

fuck if i know

[ionic magnet]

1 sonar + 1 anti sub plane should do for mob

[fierce field]

is the patch roll out for JP yet?

[finite valve]

no

[fierce field]

the patch notes are like 6 hours ago

[ionic magnet]

perfect for levelling centaur

[vague token]

how nice that centaur is a cvl

so she can equip asw plane

[ionic magnet]

[fierce field]

Centaur is so broken

[vague token]

the ultimate support carrier

does damage

asw

anti air with double fighter

4 torpedo planes

perfection

[finite valve]

calling a flat ELF perfection

[ionic magnet]

kiro praising another CV not named sara?

[finite valve]

[vague token]

she has a debuff

she's good

;)

[fierce field]

too bad she's not a good waifu in my eyes

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

oversexualized generic tony art

if youve played shining series

[ionic magnet]

the blasphemy in this chat

[shy hazel]

centaur art is so bad

compared to alot of old illustrations

[stark raft]

these are the ppl using nagato

ladies and gentlemen

[ionic magnet]

lmao

[sharp wing]

Hey, hey now

I sue Wasd

No loli BBs allowed

[fierce field]

I don't even raise Nagato wdym

[sharp wing]

And Cent is bad

She not even centaur

WTf Elf RPing

[ionic magnet]

imagine centaur having 4 perfect thighs

[fierce field]

[sharp wing]

L00D

[stark raft]

[sharp wing]

D00D

[vague token]

[shy hazel]

if you put loli into context

centaur is technically the loliest of them all

the worst genre

[sharp wing]

[shy hazel]

ihaveanadultbodywheniwasbornloli

[sharp wing]

Not even hundred years old Elf, just a baby

[shy hazel]

i like alisa art more than tony now anyways

[sharp wing]

idk tony

But Cent is meh

[shy hazel]

tony taka

[sharp wing]

so

[shy hazel]

you must have been from a,riajuu life or something

or u dont play,sega rpg games

hes everywhere

even in hentai

[sharp wing]

[shy hazel]

thats why hes art is alrdy boring

[sharp wing]

never played shining games

[stark raft]

alright hands in the air where we can see them

[sharp wing]

Izumo....

Why

[shy hazel]

i esp like alisa s

suomi

in gfl

tho i dont play it

[stark raft]

well

gfl needs more art than AL

still wish we get the damaged skins

[finite valve]

i rather not have a repair mechanic lel

[shy hazel]

never played shining huh

[sharp wing]

i hate that micromanagement and lane battles

[stark raft]

dont even need the repair mechanic

just give us the damaged skin

damaged Monarch with ripped stocking/uniform

[vague token]

what is this FEH?

[finite valve]

well we got a problem chef

namely loli sub w/o any fucking clothe on them

[vague token]

eagle subs and their no clothes

what is this

[shy hazel]

subs is a poor excuse of al

to sexualize children

[finite valve]

just imagine Albacore w/o any clothed on

[shy hazel]

still shit mechanics

[finite valve]

and she already naked as its

[sharp wing]

Imagine playing console like a pleb

[vague token]

im surprised we dont have like a full proper wet suit sub yet

would be a nice change of pace

[shy hazel]

[finite valve]

might happen if we move onto modern sub

[shy hazel]

sorry i just had a dank pc while owning all previous gen consoles

pc masterrace dont apply to me

[finite valve]

also on the subject of sexualize loli as sub

i feel nothing tbh

since i am not a pedo

[stark raft]

give us non loli subs in latex or smth

[sharp wing]

Surcoaf

No need any more

[stark raft]

U47 is great

[sharp wing]

yeap

[stark raft]

this skin is good

[sharp wing]

wait

u-73

[shy hazel]

skin is good yes

[ionic magnet]

i like 168 but im not a pedo

[shy hazel]

vanilla is worse

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

u73 science skin is neat

[sharp wing]

Want a thicc neko? I-19

i dun like skin

[vague token]

one of the manjuu has a flamethrower

[sharp wing]

vanilla u73 better

[shy hazel]

73 doesnt look tht sexualized

at vanilla

[sharp wing]

she isn't

[shy hazel]

well

[sharp wing]

she's jsut cute

[shy hazel]

compared to ijn subs

[vague token]

relative to other subs

xD

[shy hazel]

while 101 is like

[sharp wing]

u-101 and u-73 are just cheery

[shy hazel]

wth

has bandage and goes diving

[sharp wing]

idk that have that vibe

[shy hazel]

rly

mm

i think i go akiba later

[sharp wing]

[finite valve]

degen at its finest

[sharp wing]

[stark raft]

I 58 jesus christ

[sharp wing]

what's

[stark raft]

subs are for degens

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

wtf

[shy hazel]

at least for 101

her spunkiness

is more dominant

than lewdness

[sharp wing]

u-101 and u-73

[fierce field]

u-101 is cute
can't wait for her VA

[sharp wing]

[coral wren]

Kharn, you gonna push in last 10 mins?

[hot creek]

always push last 10 mins

unlesss you're a casual

[sharp wing]

Sodako

I look at that 500 AA...

When BB AA>FP (w/ gear bonus)

[shell heron]

or forget about it until there's a minute left for each match you have left

[sharp wing]

Then get walled by some ryuu

Eldie

[shell heron]

that's when you panic roll for easy targets

[sharp wing]

[shell heron]

Eldie/Lusty/Enty

[sharp wing]

[shell heron]

never forget

[sharp wing]

I had that as meme fleet early season

[shell heron]

you know, if anything it has the chance to stall for a good 2 minutes

[sharp wing]

eldie helena something else lusty enty vestie

Well, you gotta have really bad rng to get stalled by that Eldie proc

[lament lichen]

gotta love seeing yukikaze with no fe

[sharp wing]

20 sec cd, then 10 sec invul and 10 sec cd again

[shell heron]

yes, yes that was really bad rng that season

[sharp wing]

And 90% times she dies before proc

Or right after 1st proc ends

[shell heron]

almost makes me miss fox meta. namaryuu is safe but gives eld a chance to live past 20s

[sharp wing]

never played foxes

[shell heron]

I did until namaryuu became common

then I switched to namayuuga until hiryuu was leveled

was desperate enough to run namakagi for a bit too

[sharp wing]

should just run namabaka

[shell heron]

she's still lvl 100

[sharp wing]

Dare you

[lament lichen]

[shell heron]

and what else, prinz will hit 120 before she will

[sharp wing]

Baka is qt tho

that sprite

[shell heron]

it was a shame she was in the same event as sick floofy fox

instant max and oath

[sharp wing]

If only Baka had 70%

[trim horizon]

3 who rushed their tickets and none of them can give me a +1

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

I didn't get +1 for 400 diff

earlier

[shy hazel]

i push early rn

[elder crane]

I can get as low as 12993 vanguard power without having it be to any significant degree suboptimal

Jun/Aurora/Ykkz, 76 mm on ykkz and not running AI chip

[shell heron]

I use to run the 76mm on ykk, but ykk vs ykk fights take forever

so I switched to twin 100mm

[fierce field]

76mm actually deal more dps on ykk thou
switching doesn't change much

[vague token]

i prefer having the 30 aa

xD

[fierce field]

[vague token]

you know i wonder what nep gun is like on z23

she has the largest gun efficiency for a cl gun besides bbs

[high flume]

Hi Guys! Since Essex will be here soon, what's the best composition for Essex-Enty?

[waxen dawn]

Centaur or Saratoga-kai. Then Juneau to complete the Essex buff. If using Centaur , hope that we get Sandy-kai before the anniversary.

[elder crane]

Alternatively hope the new USN event ships are good enough in the right roles to fit in

[vague token]

no cvs but maybe alabama can give fleet buffs

but hey pinoy cvl

[elder crane]

If Bama gives Eagle CV buffs that'd be dope

Other possibility is a vanguard being useful enough

[fierce field]

hope Balti will be good

[vague token]

yes plz, more CAs

[wicked rivet]

I wanna replace belfast

[cerulean estuary]

put mutsuki or kisaragi for a change

[stark raft]

I slept on 3 tix @coral wren

[high flume]

@waxen dawn wait, so the backline will be Centaur-Enty-Essex?

[waxen dawn]

[high flume]

Wait, no BB at all? All CV backline? Aren;t they too squishy?

[waxen dawn]

If you're not fine with a triple CV backline, you can replace centaur with Amagi

[finite valve]

you ask so you shall receive lel

no one said essex comp will be good in pvp

[waxen dawn]

You laugh at IJN AA as you swarm them with planes.

[finite valve]

only if you somehow manage to survive till then lel

[vague token]

that assumes you dont get slapped by big seven and amagi barrage

[lament lichen]

hiryuu solo

[finite valve]

essex was never meant for pvp anyway

[waxen dawn]

That's what resets are for

[finite valve]

she was meant for foxes counter which is far in between