pvp

[ionic hill]

missed one reset and 3 losses

[shy hazel]

[shy hazel]

top 1 is as hopeless as ever

famine got 15 pts over me

[ionic hill]

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

[empty grove]

[sharp wing]

[noble gyro]

im having a hard time dealing with this oof

[vague token]

juneau and ykk leading means delete with aurora

make him lose both support buffs early

[elder crane]

Hiryuu unoathed and I assume also without rudder/badge should be not too bad to focus down with a good barrage ship

[vague token]

honestly tank sanrui doesnt really guard them

xD

although im sure i could troll people if i swapped to nagato and hiryuu on defense with sanrui lead

or even sanrui/juneau/aurora

[midnight heron]

time to try slow torps on hiryuu for fun

[shy hazel]

i laugh at ppl using aurora

just mirror, its alot better

but anyways

aurora is still alot better than sara

[midnight heron]

so many copycats of off-centre nagameme

[steep fog]

[vague token]

without aurora torp memes is just gambling xD

[ionic hill]

aya isnt meta lel

aya too fragile

[lean phoenix]

When is EoS?

[ionic magnet]

there's a timer ingame

in exercise tab

around 25 hrs more

[lean phoenix]

I see

Sometimes timers say 1 day as the current day

Other times they say 1 day as 24h

[buoyant parrot]

Next goal Rank 3

[ionic hill]

what is this fleet power rank?

[shy hazel]

is the bot like permanently broken alrdy

!fleetpower

or did they remove the command

now we cant explain shit anything to anyone

!fleetpower was the easiest way to explain it

lol

[lean phoenix]

@elder crane poi

Definitely wasnt the first try tho

[sharp wing]

Strange how they rush Cent. Could it happen we actually get her on Tuesday, when Subs limited end, and not on Thursday...

[shy hazel]

@ionic magnet

can u still move

[cerulean estuary]

demn reset always giving me lower rank than mine

[shy hazel]

EOS reset now

[buoyant parrot]

Good luck top 10

[sharp wing]

Time to watch tryhard show

[shy hazel]

losers get out

its time for winners to tryhard

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

My Amagi got too sick, 0 barrages 2 matches

Donate cough syrup

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

And still missing i-25

Those elites torment me each event

[vague token]

oof

[ionic magnet]

@shy hazel you still have me?

prolly not
ill just move later kek

[sharp wing]

idk, i would never ask some1 to push, lol. That's kinda low and dirty play

[shy hazel]

[sharp wing]

But, well. Ppl even ruin other guilds for ranking and stealing players in games, like gbf

[shy hazel]

gotta use what i can use

its part of the competition

so wtv

[sharp wing]

morale compass at 180

[vague token]

collusion! jk

[sharp wing]

[shy hazel]

morality in mobile games givr u 0

benefit

[sharp wing]

I bet you think same way irl

[vague token]

[shy hazel]

not rly

i have more friends that u think

[sharp wing]

Well, that doesn't tell anything

[shy hazel]

youre implying it does

game persona doesnt always

translate to irl

[sharp wing]

Don't remember

[shy hazel]

yourr implying it does

[vague token]

why did trump swap to sanrui lol

[shy hazel]

trumps def has been useless since forever anyways

unlike wasda days

[vague token]

oh ok

[sharp wing]

Birds of a feather flock together

[shy hazel]

[sharp wing]

WasdA days will forever live in our hearts

[shy hazel]

youre not in the age yet to lecturr me about morality and friends

[sharp wing]

I might actually put wasd when they are 120

[shy hazel]

ive lived in 5 countries and made friends

thats lasts till now

not all friends can have the same personality

rui wa tomo wo yobu

[sharp wing]

I never said anything about friends

[shy hazel]

birds of the same flock comes together

is applicable

to gangs than friends

[dusk stirrup]

[shy hazel]

[sharp wing]

That's applicable to top ranker guilds

[shy hazel]

top guild experience is more of a professional relationship than friendship

we dont get along but we have the same goal

backstabbing happens everyday

[sharp wing]

yeah, all ppl have about same opinion there, thus the saying applies

[shy hazel]

tbh

[vague token]

if only stella didnt bully me about sara all the time

[shy hazel]

ppl who use sara has bankrupt morality

[vague token]

xD

[shy hazel]

[sharp wing]

[shy hazel]

well wtv

just try being in the top guild in a game

[sharp wing]

Oh, i've been. I know how it is pretty well

[shy hazel]

everyone except the leader is a spare wheel

[sharp wing]

So i can tell from own experience

Except leader can be just a duck too

[shy hazel]

good

everyone in my list is a bagger at 10/10

can get +2 if i wait long enough

[sharp wing]

What if they wait long enough too

[shy hazel]

not that they can outlast me anyways

[sharp wing]

30 sec push

[shy hazel]

nah

only 5 ppl does that

ik then all

cay tried to be one

but u see what happened

[sharp wing]

Unfortunate soul

[shy hazel]

[sharp wing]

[shy hazel]

even famine failed once alrdy

[sharp wing]

Well, you never learn, if you don't try and fail

I managed to do 0/10 without +9s xD

Will sleep through 3 resets again

Landed up on temp 10th even

[shy hazel]

if everything is as planned i should be in top ten this season

[sharp wing]

I'm falling asleep anyway

And dozen years ago i would pull 3 days 1 night sleep schedule for weeks
Well, university years are craziest and probably funniest times of life. Too bad we learn to cherish it only when it's gone

[shy hazel]

fam didnt lose any rounds this reset

i enjoyed my uni life alot

i left without regrets

[sharp wing]

I regret only not being able to remember many stuff

[shy hazel]

my uni paid me for being in their school

and i had a side job

[sharp wing]

I bought my 1st self made gaming pc for my grant money

[shy hazel]

always went out with friends

on freedays

grant money for game pc not bad

[sharp wing]

well, not like i had many ways to spend all those money, aside from wasting it all on drinks and etc.

And $ back in the days was at reasonably priced

not some 1:30 like nowadays

So buying top pc parts was easy

[shy hazel]

drinking parties, roadtrip, techie headphones, flying to whatever place

i nvr bother bout gaming pc

can just sideboot in my mac anyways

dunnid to be max graphics

[sharp wing]

Well, you need rank 1 in some virtual ladder, i need to play games at max setting and watch movies comfortably at big screen
Just different ladder for everyone

[shy hazel]

max graphics is actually stilo bad in maximizing runs

in alot of games

too much shiny distractions

[sharp wing]

Well, there games besides gacha

[shy hazel]

guildmember replaced game assets once

to reduce fancy glitters

in an mmo

technically illegal

[sharp wing]

but you have mods in any mmo that replace assets anyway

[shy hazel]

depends

[sharp wing]

Not like they will catch you

[shy hazel]

some like pso2 doesnt allow it

[sharp wing]

cause it's only client side

none allow it basically

Same for things, like DPS meters

in jp/cn you will get instaban, En publishers don't bother

[shy hazel]

things are abit diff now anyways

since steam became mainstream

they allow it to some extent

[sharp wing]

Well, i haven't been into competitive plays for at least 5 years anyway

[shy hazel]

gbf allowed it for 2 years

they just started banning it last year

[sharp wing]

gbf is not even that kind pf game

i'm talking more about mmorpgs

[shy hazel]

gbf has tons of qol tools

gbf is an mmo what

disguised as mobage

[sharp wing]

and KC was Dark Souls in browser

[shy hazel]

general consensus is that

gbf gw and grind is way harder than any modern mmo

[sharp wing]

most modern mmos are too casualized, esp if steam involved

Even the once hardcore ones get casualized

Tera and warframe good examples

[shy hazel]

iirc the only griendiest game released lately

is tree of savior

if u aiming for lvl 900 tgat is

[sharp wing]

In course of 5 years tera became from 5 parties on server clear last hard mode dungeon to public matching last hard mode runs
Same for warframe

[buoyant parrot]

Its time for the Pro Shikikan for final showdown.... casual plebs and degenerates should watch how pros play pvp

[shy hazel]

pro sandbaggers

[sharp wing]

tree of savior is just very poorly managed on EN

and made towards cashgrab

[vague token]

i didnt enjoy cause it didnt feel like RO enough xD

[shy hazel]

i wouldve played it if not for the potato optimization

[sharp wing]

Back in the days we were grinding 1-2 years just to max lvl character

[shy hazel]

it lags so hard for 0 reason

[buoyant parrot]

feels bad man, my community used to exist in that game at its 1st day of launch till 2 years then bugs became so rampant that's its disgusting and my community completely got rid of it

[sharp wing]

Now you max lvl in few hrs

like wtf

[shy hazel]

really?

[vague token]

wait wut

[shy hazel]

lol

[vague token]

it took forever to get like even half way

when it started

[shy hazel]

i quit at lvl 400 i think

[buoyant parrot]

yeah I was on top 10 in collection ranking in that game

[sharp wing]

Well, talking not about ToS

How much of cashgrab was it?

[buoyant parrot]

then they revamp and overhauled the collection shit everything became so retarded

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

[shy hazel]

i only bought a few

skins and premium membership in tos

[sharp wing]

Well, when you can't even auction properly without $...

[shy hazel]

i quit before my premium membership expired

nice meme

[buoyant parrot]

old shit

[sharp wing]

I'd rather play RO again tbh

Those were the fun days

[shy hazel]

its was kind if a cute game

[buoyant parrot]

speaking of RO I'm waiting for "Love at first sight"

[sharp wing]

Pre renewal old school fool keyboard piano plays

[buoyant parrot]

tho Gravity is doing a CBT of their own version July 26

but it looks meh....

[sharp wing]

eh?

[shy hazel]

oh mobage

[buoyant parrot]

meanwhile Eternal Love is freaking trash and ultra cash grab p2w maximum high impact sexual violence

[shy hazel]

nein interest

[sharp wing]

I'd only play PC version

Not that autoplay mobile bs

[buoyant parrot]

try to look at LFS it looks good better than the PC Ver imo

[shy hazel]

i dont like mmos in mobiles

gbf was a trap

[sharp wing]

Well, anything looks better than PC RO, lol

[shy hazel]

[sharp wing]

it's over 10 years old

[buoyant parrot]

ahh good ol shit... Our WoE's
https://youtu.be/CgJqYG1LM_g

[sharp wing]

mobile mmorpgs is like... ♿

[shy hazel]

pinoys

[buoyant parrot]

our guild is even on a Magazine good ol days....

[shy hazel]

i dont like playing mmos with pinoys

[buoyant parrot]

Same

[sharp wing]

lol

[shy hazel]

last mmo i played with them

they go like batshit crazy

[buoyant parrot]

TELL ME ABOUT IT....

[shy hazel]

in pvp and trashtalks everyone

[sharp wing]

[shy hazel]

for 0 reason

[sharp wing]

literally every1 hates em

[shy hazel]

even tho they losers in pve and pvp

[buoyant parrot]

their the most toxic competitive bunch of people I have encountered in my entire life...

[sharp wing]

Well, how you can be not loser, if all you ever do is trashtalk

[buoyant parrot]

and FUCKING VERY HARD TO MANAGE

[sharp wing]

Imagine... playing moba

[buoyant parrot]

I somewhat despise most of them... there's a rare few whos nice but mostly trash...

[sharp wing]

with pinoys and russians

[shy hazel]

i dont moba so wtv

[sharp wing]

[buoyant parrot]

that's ultra facepalm... pinoy spamming cyka bliat....

[vague token]

lol

[sharp wing]

[shy hazel]

i dont see mobas as attractive

[sharp wing]

me neither

I only played warcraft 3 dota map with my old clan, but not new moba games

[trim horizon]

getting +1 after +1

[shy hazel]

its normal

cos eos

[buoyant parrot]

oh shoot laundry brb

[sharp wing]

[shy hazel]

[sharp wing]

I-25 still not home

How to lure a bunny?

[shy hazel]

3 days left?

[sharp wing]

1

ends Tuesday

[shy hazel]

the trash pool this sub build event is heavy anyways

which doesnt have cute monitor

[sharp wing]

Cent will have...

probably

sub pool

[shy hazel]

cent is pure special so lol

i just need dupes

[sharp wing]

This pool have monitor tho

It's heavy

[shy hazel]

forgot name

[sharp wing]

Abercrombie

[shy hazel]

cute monitor only from heavy

iirc

yea that

[sharp wing]

yeah, it drops in event limiteds

If not special aircraft

or very rare light

But it mostly sussex....

i got like enough for 3 mlb

Retire on sight

I will skip Cent rate up anyway, need get cubes till anniv

[shy hazel]

i never built heavy

so wtv

[sharp wing]

most events are heavy

no point to built heavy aside from PoW and Atago

[shy hazel]

yeah but it doesnt have cute monitor

[buoyant parrot]

I'm missing 2 subs still

[sharp wing]

They do have monitor + sussex

[shy hazel]

crombie?

dont think so

[sharp wing]

all non ex-event ships get to event pool

[buoyant parrot]

look im so ready for centaur because of this stupid 2 subs missing

[shy hazel]

are u done with two subs

[buoyant parrot]

no not even

[shy hazel]

cent perma anyways

[sharp wing]

I'm missing bunny sub still

[buoyant parrot]

im missing 101 & 56

[sharp wing]

Coins are the problem

[shy hazel]

im using 101 for my wolfpack subfleet now

cheap bookz to upgrade levels

[sharp wing]

if only wolfpuck were good for surface or weekly

[shy hazel]

and p nice skillset

kms subs have magtorp barrage on weekly

its p good

[buoyant parrot]

what score is famine right now?

[sharp wing]

They are too frail

and skill doesn't work in weekly

[shy hazel]

they bad alone anyways

fam i not surr

[sharp wing]

I-subs have so good hp and eva tho

[shy hazel]

15 points higher than mr last time

ijn subs better hp and stats

less synergy

[sharp wing]

and good oxy

[shy hazel]

kms needs 3 to be good

ijn subs has bad reload

u need loader btw

[sharp wing]

i-168 and i-19 have best reload in Subs, lol

[vague token]

ijn subs have 2 barrages

xD

[shy hazel]

the top tier ones ye

[sharp wing]

i-13 is also top

[vague token]

i mean she gets huge utility from plane clear

[shy hazel]

generally in normal maps reload dont matter match

[sharp wing]

For surface attacks you need gold subs only anyway and oxytorps

[shy hazel]

its just burst anyways

[vague token]

plus main fleet boost

i dont think any sub can contest i13 lol

[shy hazel]

thats why i13 is t0

[vague token]

yeah

[sharp wing]

she is SSV

[shy hazel]

she not in en tho

[vague token]

yeah =(

[sharp wing]

She is like 1 class ahead

[shy hazel]

meanwhile

[sharp wing]

like comparin Azuma and CAs

[shy hazel]

hms still dont have subs in game iirc

[sharp wing]

no

and trash dds

[shy hazel]

i miss daxam alrdy

[sharp wing]

that rely on nerfed eva

[vague token]

but yeah i dont see how having wolf pack would ever matter

when ijn subs get double barrages

[sharp wing]

wold pack just bad

[vague token]

and big damage mods

[sharp wing]

and for surface attacc doesn't matter

[shy hazel]

biggest buff to kms rn

[sharp wing]

and main subs purpose is surface attack

[shy hazel]

is the u can deploy

anywhere ship

[vague token]

oh yeah

once per map

[sharp wing]

that's a fun one

[vague token]

aka 2 ijn subs and her

xD

[sharp wing]

That is if you even use subs for summon

[vague token]

auto sub

[sharp wing]

wish that relocate option didn't cost oil tho

but like once per map

[vague token]

sometimes i19 steals mvp

because fight ends so fast

backline doesnt shoot

xD

[sharp wing]

well, the thicc-er barrage wins

Surc wins anyway

[vague token]

helps that her barrage hits 2 targets

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

and since they're torps

they skip shields

so she can just blast the entire map

which is why she's called a minelayer i think xD

[sharp wing]

Surc kills w/ thicc-ness

that gun hurts tho

I tried it on boss today

[vague token]

i mean it's scaled to have gold gun stats since it cant go past +6

basically

[sharp wing]

her barrage is harder to land tho

Yeah it has like top4-5 CA guns dps vs light and med

only succs vs Heavy

[vague token]

just normal ammo things

[sharp wing]

50% to Heavy

nothing to say

[vague token]

is there even a usable normal ammo gun

[sharp wing]

100 90 50

[vague token]

for CA

like with good stats

just bad ammo?

i dont think there is

[sharp wing]

Surc only

[vague token]

general use gun

xD

eg like 100mm

[sharp wing]

Rest have normal on t1-t2 variants

[vague token]

oh

rip

[sharp wing]

but t3s have special ammos

only max tech normal gun is surc

[vague token]

if only it gave 45 fp

like even though it was blue

[sharp wing]

She already has stellar FP for ss

Surc

Well, irl she was designed not as sub in mind, but as cruiser

[vague token]

139 is like cl tier i think

im sad

she cant use her floatplane

that she talks about

in her secretary mission

[shy hazel]

i still dont like investing in subs

[vague token]

unless

[shy hazel]

double red skills

[vague token]

ssv surcouf retro

[shy hazel]

zulul

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

Dear Passepartout

[vague token]

like

slot 1 torpedo, more efficiency

[sharp wing]

Well, i don't skill subs

[vague token]

slot 2 seaplane

slot 3 ca gun

[sharp wing]

Well, we only got 1 ssv atm, and many subs had floatplane

Same like most BB/BC same

and cruisers

[vague token]

yeah but most of them dont talk about their seaplane

;)

[sharp wing]

One of Mine sisters has even plane as toy

[vague token]

honestly if more ships could slot seaplane that werent backliners

there could be more utility options

would be neat

(for pve)

[sharp wing]

Aviation cruiser hell ye

I actually want more bbvs

[vague token]

but still

[sharp wing]

But w/ secondary gun

Like 1 MG 1 secondary and flotplane

[vague token]

seaplane should auto deploy

like a fighter

[sharp wing]

well, no

[vague token]

and take the aa slot

[sharp wing]

seaplanes never can be fighters

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

Even Fulmar cannot do that

And it's fcking Fighter in Bomber slot

Idk what they even smoke designing such planes

We have diver w/ 1x500 bomb and diver w/ 2x 100 bombs

[vague token]

i mean

they havent made a competitive bomber to rival heccdiver for dive slot

in the entire existence of the game

so

is it really surprising?

xD

[sharp wing]

I mean, Fulmar has highest AA DPS in game, lol

[vague token]

yeah but it doesnt spawn when you need it

[sharp wing]

just mediocre burst

[vague token]

xD

if fulmar auto deployed like a fighter as a skill

it'd be good

[shy hazel]

ddv

real meme hey

[sharp wing]

Kinda equivalent of bf-109t

[shy hazel]

ayanami with torp planes

[vague token]

yeah but torp planes dont use torp stat

=(

[sharp wing]

Well, it wuld on dd

[vague token]

it'd be cool if they did

[shy hazel]

its an impossible meme anyways

[sharp wing]

Like Sara guns use Avi

[shy hazel]

lol

[vague token]

i mean the gear slot one

not the skill

[sharp wing]

Well, gear will use it

[vague token]

like i-13 has what, 250 avi?

xD

[sharp wing]

NC uses AA to power her gun

[vague token]

oh a conversion skill

that'd be nice

[sharp wing]

smh

Or they will just have Avi stat

like bbv

Tho apparently trash

And conversion skill better

[vague token]

well, all the hybrid ships

do have the stat

the skills might not use it

[sharp wing]

Well, like BB/Cs with torp barrages have torp stat

[vague token]

yeah

oxy for bb/bc when

make tirpitz mag torps great

[sharp wing]

Tho Langley and Houshou have 0 FP

but quip dd/cl guns

[vague token]

yeah but they're old

zeppy has fp

[sharp wing]

zeppy has skill

[vague token]

they just never bothered to update them

she also has actual fp for her gun

unlike houshou

langley at least loses her gun

when you LB her

xD

[sharp wing]

LB0 Langley can equip DD guns too

And she is no AA CVL after that

her LB + planes make her bad tho

Well, Usual 8 planes anyway

[vague token]

big rip

[sharp wing]

I mean, when i see dives with negative efficiency it's like...

She is like Ark but w/ Fighter bias

[elder crane]

@ionic magnet
"Dragonslayer" Monarch is completely failing at her job - look forwards (maybe) to a vid tomorrow
Also a maaaaaajor issue: the gun you have on her shoots right at 20s with enhanced reload
This means she fires barrage straight into Rudder perfect evasion proc timing
Which means I had twice where twice in a row both Hiryuu and Monarch proced for a complete no-sell of Monarch's barrage

[vague token]

o.O

[sharp wing]

that's with triple 381?

[elder crane]

I assume so
No QE though
Which means 406mk6 with QE has same issue if triple381 without does

[sharp wing]

Dax also changed to NamaMona

[lament lichen]

Dax cant save hms

[elder crane]

I'm one level and 40 affection from maxed Baka

[sharp wing]

Dax failed the Queen

[lament lichen]

Realized too late

[vague token]

oh i should swap off triple 381 on biscuit then

[lament lichen]

Qe isnt that useful as he claims her to be

[vague token]

just run 410mm

[elder crane]

Will join y'all in barrage memeing soon

[sharp wing]

She is fun

Even if she doesn't barrage, still blocks Amagi

[vague token]

fdg gun when

[elder crane]

Too bad I don't have 3rd staag and pr152s

Almost done 2nd staag and have 2 pr152

[sharp wing]

I have 1 each yet

[midnight heron]

[sharp wing]

kek

[elder crane]

I assume Amagi will have to settle w 152 and Nagato without staag

[vague token]

is it better to run 152 over 127?

[sharp wing]

I'd rather staag nagato, her mapwide barrage might use some + acc to more extend

[elder crane]

Yo two days ago I had 5 refresh fail ti find someone above me at rank 20

PR152 is godlike for offense

[sharp wing]

and more fp for barrage

[elder crane]

Especially on flag it means secondaries shoot half the time

[vague token]

ah

[midnight heron]

127 seems pretty trash in the age of namagi

[vague token]

well as the only biscuit user

not really an issue

xD

[elder crane]

Contributes I'd say ~3k more on flag and 1.5k on sides, relative to normal CL secondaries

[vague token]

i mean 127 can help buffer out some of the splash from hiryuu

[elder crane]

At least

[midnight heron]

i find stacking eva more useful than mitigating a small amount of plane dmg

[sharp wing]

No like ryuu damage is big issue

[elder crane]

And also PR152 on defense has nonzero firing time

[midnight heron]

cries in enemy nagato dodging ryuusei

[sharp wing]

Well, on offense Ryuuseis from Ryuu can delete half hp Naga tho

[elder crane]

As in with PR152 even defense secondaries will chime in a bit

[midnight heron]

yea but ive seen my fair share of naga negating most of ryuusei dmg just from eva

is fking bs

[sharp wing]

happens

[midnight heron]

i was like tf kinda hax is dat

[vague token]

that's probably more amagi than it is evasion

[elder crane]

Eva stacked Nag evades a good chunk of ryuusei

[midnight heron]

not sure if it was rudder proc or just plain eva

[lament lichen]

Rudder and beaver on nagato

[elder crane]

Well Badge/SG Nag evades a good deal already

[midnight heron]

but still pretty hax when u see it happen

[elder crane]

Hiryuu ryuusei doesn't hit into rudder timing usually

Only if final counter is at right time

[midnight heron]

makes u

[elder crane]

Neither does Akaga until like 3rd strike

[lament lichen]

You mean only if they live that long lol

[elder crane]

And if Akaga makes it to 3rd strike vs your Hiryuu team you're doing something wrong

[midnight heron]

yea so dats y i wud run 152 + eva instead of 127 + acc/dmg aux

[elder crane]

Well giving up the last SG is actually a big trade-off

[midnight heron]

yea i mean eva + sg

[elder crane]

Only like ~7% more eHP for 12+% dmg loss iirc

[midnight heron]

cant take dmg if u dont get hit

[sharp wing]

And ded ship deals 0 damage

[elder crane]

First SG traded for Rudder/badge is about 11 for 11

[lament lichen]

Cant have a ded bote if u dont play the game

[sharp wing]

200 IQ move

KC tought us not to have ded botes

[midnight heron]

imagine permadeath in pvp

[coral wren]

eh i suppose you want to run tripple 381 on monarch only when you have qe, otherwise it's either purple 410 or hoodgun..

[sharp wing]

Monarch has very good shelling not to run hoodgun + her passive reload, and triple 381 gives + FP for barrage

[coral wren]

as blue said, with 381 you are hitting at the time when rudder procs

[sharp wing]

put Amagi vs her?

vs dragon

[coral wren]

with qe it might be 19 secs straight, but i'm not sure

[sharp wing]

Mona is vs Amagi anyway

That is if you run not NamaMona

Namagi comps with any BB, BB is set vs enemy Amagi to counter her with heavy armor

[coral wren]

15% gives 26 reload which i doubt will make it any better =/ also, i believe amagi will also be carrying rudder+sg/hpfcr once ppl get it

[lament lichen]

Most have a rudder by now

[shy hazel]

nagato amagi procs

[sharp wing]

rudder sg Nyagas

[shy hazel]

one fox is dead

[coral wren]

well then tripple 381 isn't an option for her now

[shy hazel]

they die,v fast

[sharp wing]

Needs more testing on timing

[lament lichen]

I been using the triple 381 on nagato

[sharp wing]

1st barrage should be well over rudder time anyway

before passive

that is on offense

[coral wren]

19,63 timing on monarch with 381. I doubt barrage can travel all the way through in 0,37 secs

[lament lichen]

I mean if rudder procs its 20-22 secs

[sharp wing]

hmm, with passive should be around 19

but barrage still comes late

381 on other botes will have 20+ usually

so well into ruder

[lament lichen]

We just need the second hfrc

[vague token]

lol rerun

[sharp wing]

Monarch w/ HSFCR

will solve all issues lol

[vague token]

would help my biscuit too

[lament lichen]

Hfcr just solves everything

[sharp wing]

Yr biscuit belongs to the bottom of the sea

[vague token]

[midnight heron]

5mins of fame

[vague token]

you're just jealous that she has only aux+1

[sharp wing]

With Sara on top

[vague token]

for 0 reasons

[midnight heron]

2nd rainbow torp as well

[vague token]

so she is 54% weaker at cl gunning than all other bbs

xD

[shy hazel]

oh

[sharp wing]

So, If we swap HSFCR from Amagi to Mona in NamaMona setup, We can safely use Monarch w/ triple 381 or 406 or whatever

[shy hazel]

kamita is active this season too

[coral wren]

wait, so daxxam became a meta slave he claimed he never was and will never be?

[sharp wing]

How he can claim he never was, if he was Wasd user

That's dumb

[vague token]

[lament lichen]

But you can claim to be sara’s biggest fan

[sharp wing]

[lament lichen]

[sharp wing]

Hey, legal lolies are nice probably

[lament lichen]

But they all are legal

[elder crane]

Also:
Aurora-namayuu vs Louis-Namayuu(Famine)
I feel the claim now, that Louis walls aurora
It actually does feel like significantly worse matchup
You expect Off vg to win in mirror-like, but my VG lost once and tied-ish twice (or so) in 8 or so matches
And that's with him leading Juneau who just gets evaped vs Aurora, if he properly ran Jun mid and Louis lead I can seriously see Louis-Namayuu being annoying for Aurora-namayuu

[sharp wing]

🚓

[shy hazel]

[lament lichen]

When i fought his team I either kill saint louis really fast or she gets to the point of being a solo vanguard

[sharp wing]

I seen like 1 Aurora setup in Sandy last few dyas, and it was savage Aurora-buki

[shy hazel]

im not using aurora so ita easy for me

[elder crane]

Adding aurora means their vg is squish but so is yours

And Louis just laughs at aurora debuff herself

[sharp wing]

I don't even consider aurora as pvp factor here

gotta check top setups

maybe will find one

[elder crane]

It hasn't caught on
Only see her in Namayuu with torp-teams so far

[sharp wing]

It kinda died out on sandy

with 120

[elder crane]

Also tbf I'm running 818 Hiryuu cause I'm using both Ryuuseis for PvE right now

And I don't like 818 Hiryuu

[lament lichen]

818 hiryuu is pretty meme

[sharp wing]

it's meh

[lament lichen]

Especially if you slow them at the wrong time

[elder crane]

Might rather just run barras tbh (assuming no ryuu available)

[sharp wing]

And that Ryuusei power on 150% eff ryuu

[elder crane]

But also tbf Famine is using barra Hiryuu as well

Which I also don't like

[shy hazel]

i just done with monarch and is prioritizing headnod still

lol

no places for louis

[lament lichen]

I shotted gun louis so many times

[sharp wing]

Louis feels pretty weak on def anyway

[shy hazel]

esp right now whenkiro started using louis

[elder crane]

Well it's mainly just to try to stumble aurora

[shy hazel]

she has fallen to sara levels of meme

[sharp wing]

buki tho...

[lament lichen]

Its good when you kill louis in the first 5 secs

[shy hazel]

sumires roon is more useful

lol

[sharp wing]

buki is torp meme, but Not Meme

[elder crane]

Idk Roon just catches all the BB shells and dies when I face her

[sharp wing]

Sanrui basically dies as well

[lament lichen]

Thats the point. Faster wins

[sharp wing]

or doesn't die but does nothing much

[lament lichen]

Doing us a favor

[elder crane]

Well that's the point
If you run aurora you need to kill their VG before yours dies
Which if Louis no-sells Aurora and hangs on you just lost/tied VG fight
And as offense you're expected to win VG fight

[sharp wing]

Well, i never ran Aurora in 1st palce

so can't tell

I only managed to pull her recently

[elder crane]

It's not like normal stall Namayuu doesn't just have a stally VG anyways

[sharp wing]

during wishing well

she cost me well over 800 cubes

overall since server opened

I just put her in the dock as bad girl and not even lvling

rerolled projects, cause no coins. Got 4coin projects and 10 cubes...

Guess i'll wait reset

Gotta get that bunny sub

[vague token]

more gems!

[shy hazel]

thats why aurora needs foxes and torp memes

cos she needs to be useful before she dies

which is like

so fast

[vague token]

personally, sanrui doesnt no sell aurora

because aurora makes juneau and ykk die faster anyways

and sanrui melts just as fast to big seven anyways

even with +35 hit, sanrui still has problems winning vg trades

because cl evasion and movespeed

in my personal experience

of course

oh, and you better pray ryuusei dont target her

she melts fast to those too

[elder crane]

Well surprisingly Aurora does perfectly fine in Namayuu with Jun and Ykkz
Performs just fine everywhere outside of Louis-Mirror

[ionic magnet]

@elder crane yea mama monarch gets cucced by rudder with triple 381 but thats a risk im willing to take. i will miss more dmg if i use twin 381 cos its a pretty bad gun tbh. killing VGs are much easier with triple 381 and its just makes her more consistent. she can compete with kgv mvp with this gun

triple 381 is still better on monarch

tho id wish we get FW rerun soon for that sweet hsfcr

[shy hazel]

[elder crane]

Idk I'd just be safe and run mk6 if no HFCR

[shy hazel]

u dont have one do u

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

double hsfcr for us soon

[vague token]

ill swap back to 381 on biscuit once 2nd hfcr shows up

xD

[elder crane]

Or be safe on the other end and run 410s

[shy hazel]

hsfcr is still one of the more broken early auxes

tbh

lol

[vague token]

is the the radar, or the fact that all good defensive skills occur around 20 seconds

[elder crane]

Since even mk6 on non-QE monarch eventually drifts into sync with rudder at low HP, probs

[vague token]

because im pretty sure it's the 2nd

[shy hazel]

rudder?

[elder crane]

Considering it's not that great in PvE even vs high-eva stuff....

Though ofc PvE lasts much longer than PvP for the challenging stuff

[vague token]

it'd be nice to have a larger hp multiplier, would be good to see some other ships not get instant deleted because Big Seven

xD

but that would get in the way of merit farm

so

[elder crane]

Or murdered by opening torps
Or shite since no torps

[vague token]

wont happen

[elder crane]

Well just have battle on perma accel

[vague token]

gotta go fast

[elder crane]

Always 2X
And/or always speed the game runs at when rubberbanding

[ionic magnet]

less time to react for clutch reset

[elder crane]

Rubberbanding AL runs at, what, like 5X normal speed?

[vague token]

something like that

[elder crane]

Have PvP always run that fast
Raise HP multi
Burn people's devices and force devs to finally slightly optimize code

[vague token]

selectable pvp speed

1, 2, 3

"oops i lost it was too fast"

xD

[ionic magnet]

ngl i didnt notice that rudder vs monarch is a thing until now cos who the hell puts rudder on amagi? only super hardcores does that aka blue

or was it hiryuu

[elder crane]

Well they'd also have to properly implement speedup

Yeah Hiryuu

[ionic magnet]

dang

[elder crane]

Why I said she should stop being called "Hiryuu slayer"

[ionic magnet]

whered you put your badge then

[elder crane]

And/or get a refund

Badge on Nagato

[ionic magnet]

oh i see

[elder crane]

I have Hiryuu do most of the tanking anyways
And she's squishier

[ionic magnet]

yea ill rename her soon
still needs 8 days

[coral wren]

Mk6 isn’t an option for non hpfcr monarch

20.37

[elder crane]

Well nonhfcr nonqe monarch with trip381s barely fires first barrage early enough to land in rudder

And 2nd only does so if accel by monarch taking some damage

Don't forget animation delay and startup delay

[ionic magnet]

well ill change it if its gets problematic but so far only blue has a rudder on hiryuu so still fine

besides im putting her against amagi now

maybe ill call her amagi slayer

[vague token]

tfw carrier is better tank

[ionic magnet]

jkjk

[shy hazel]

waiting game for me again

5/10

4 resets left

gotta wait for more ppl to climb

[elder crane]

Well you can setup Amagi like that too
But you get less %-wise on Amagi than Yuu for rudder iirc and iirc lose more damage %-wise

[coral wren]

With 383 it’s 19,63 which also lands during rudder proc

[elder crane]

Did you add in animation delay and startup delay?

[shy hazel]

i dont remember

does incandescent aim for top spots again

i think im on a dead list

[ionic magnet]

does rudder skill pop up when it triggers

havent seen it

[elder crane]

Nope you have to listen for voice

[shy hazel]

i should be keeping database of past top 100s

[ionic magnet]

voice? nani

[vague token]

they play skill voice

[elder crane]

Yeah it's kinda bs

[vague token]

like skill planes

but no popup

[lament lichen]

Just play on mute

Dont worry about it at all

[coral wren]

Yes, with delay even more chances to waste your barrage. And you may land only last salvo i believe. Rudder lasts 2 secs,

[vague token]

you'll never ever see the color from rudder

[ionic magnet]

hmm cant test rn then

[vague token]

because amagi automatically puts blue

[elder crane]

Unless you have both amagi and ykkz sink first

[lament lichen]

Time to use the third rudder

[shy hazel]

i dont use any rudders

[elder crane]

Otherwise you'll perma be blue anyways

[shy hazel]

[elder crane]

At least Amagi doesn't put a debuff icon on all enemies

[ionic magnet]

how do you even hear rudder skill with everyone shouting all the time

[elder crane]

So you can see 818/Helena/etc

[ionic magnet]

[elder crane]

Hiryuu is really loud

[lament lichen]

Just look at hp

[vague token]

sorry, i cant hear you over sara guns

[elder crane]

if you know what I mean

[shy hazel]

sara guns

who knows what even skill sara is using

she spams two or three

[elder crane]

Spams 3 skills but one always occurs with another

[lament lichen]

Cant hear her if she ded

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

hey now, sara has 7.6k hp

she doesnt die that fast

[elder crane]

Plus the 20s timing for namayuu is quite quiet

[vague token]

[elder crane]

Nothing else procs then

[shy hazel]

only losers use sara

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

=(

[shy hazel]

prove me wrong

[ionic magnet]

centaur fires at 20 secs too right?

[elder crane]

Depends on what you run but yeah she does for many nonmeme setups

[ionic magnet]

hmm so if i use twin 381 on monarch i wont get cent buff

and slow

[shy hazel]

some avrora top rankers used their rounds pretty fast

[elder crane]

iirc pretty much impossible to get cent to launch around twin381 timing

[shy hazel]

fawx alrdy in top 10 as early as now

[ionic magnet]

if i use triple 381 ill get cucced by rudder

[shy hazel]

[ionic magnet]

yikes hms so much problems

[elder crane]

Also cent's slow is not easy to get even for mk6

It comes too late for 1st and probably 2nd salvo with standard setup iirc

[ionic magnet]

woah really

damn

[elder crane]

Cent slow is on-hit

Unlike ark who's on-launch

[vague token]

like, you could meme with double sky rocket

and hit 18.7

xD

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

best you're gonna get

[ionic magnet]

i wont get my hopes up then

[shy hazel]

stop kiro

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

not everyone is like u

[vague token]

he's the one using hms

[shy hazel]

memers

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

no one in the right mind would use skyrocket

they need to release newer planes

[ionic magnet]

maybe use +9 guns

200 iq

[shy hazel]

[elder crane]

Might as well give up on cent buff then

[vague token]

how would any planes be faster and be better than skyrocket lol

[shy hazel]

true jet engine pr prototype plane

[midnight heron]

skyrocket best waifu

[shy hazel]

[elder crane]

Cent buff on +9 is worse than just +10 I'm pretty sure

[vague token]

so basically power creep fighter slot xD

i guess that would be par for the course

[shy hazel]

pr nerfs all anyways what

[ionic magnet]

yea im just kidding

[shy hazel]

and general consensus is

cvs are bad in pve

in jp

[ionic magnet]

gonna test anyways after i get her cos nothing to do

[shy hazel]

might as well get new planes for it

[ionic magnet]

[elder crane]

That's the same consensus for CN, more or less

[vague token]

i mean, a faster, stronger fighter wont really help with that

xD

[elder crane]

Though the upgraded fuel aux helps somewhat

[shy hazel]

fighters with more bombs

[vague token]

at that point might as well make a new dive

[shy hazel]

u mean new planes for all 3 categories

[elder crane]

Also why did they make the AP bomber so shit

[vagrant veldt]

pray for new united states technology

next event

[shy hazel]

helldiver is still purple

[elder crane]

Barra AP DB is sooooo shit

[vague token]

AP?

[shy hazel]

gold helldiver is inevitable

[vagrant veldt]

the meme bomber against tirpitz

[shy hazel]

just like thanos

[elder crane]

Iirc isn't even guaranteed to proc armor break on hit

[vague token]

i mean

nothing guarantees armor break

armor break is the biggest joke of a mechanic

[shy hazel]

sara is the biggest joke

[ionic magnet]

lmao

[vague token]

na she t.5

ill still swap to essex

xD

[coral wren]

Can you delay cent down to 22 secs?

[elder crane]

So new equip for JP and CN
Barra DB with 1 1600lb AP bomb
High mods vs heavy and poor vs light
But still shit damage regardless
Also can inflict armor break! At same % as BB... With fewer hits since just 1 bomb per plane... @vague token

[vague token]

wow

that is uh

underwhelming is a weak word

pathetic or laughable might be more appropriate

[ionic magnet]

new equip?

[elder crane]

At least it's fast to launch iirc

But not really that fast either

[ionic magnet]

is that from this uss event

[elder crane]

Nah this was more core data addtion iirc

[vague token]

like