pvp

[lean phoenix]

Aight thx

Also

Was wondering

AVI Oil Tank for PvP?

Or just stick with dual cat

[sharp wing]

for foxes dual works

For solo cv Tank kinda mandatorry

[lean phoenix]

Oce

Hmm yeah I guess AAA doesnt really destroy akaga strike

[sharp wing]

AA rarely destroy them, it for other purpose

It's to increase touch down damage

[lean phoenix]

Kamikaze dmg is flat rate, no?

[sharp wing]

touch down damage depends on % hp left

[lean phoenix]

Ohhh

[sharp wing]

So with tank planes has more hp and thus more % hp left, when they reach end screen

[lean phoenix]

Cuz I know that planes have base kamikaze dmg values depending on the type, hence reppu is pvp fighter

[sharp wing]

that damage depends on plane hp

[lean phoenix]

I see

[sharp wing]

like barras has high kamikaze damage cause big hp

[lean phoenix]

Sheet2

those values are the maximum values then?

reduced by HP loss

[sharp wing]

those values usually scaled to lvl 100 CV

[lean phoenix]

i see

IJN planes still seem to have the most kami dmg

[sharp wing]

for torp bombers, nothing beats HMS

[lean phoenix]

ye

@ionic magnet you're just waiting for warkai with ur def comp eh?

[sharp wing]

Well, even foxes wait for WSKai

[lean phoenix]

kek

[sharp wing]

lol

wskai is just the jack-of-all-trades for pvp

slap it in any comp it works

namagi or foxes or hms

[lean phoenix]

backline nuker, has decent defense if attacked by enemy vg

i see

[sharp wing]

wskai deletes 1 of main fleet ships

makes fight effectively 5 vs 6 pretty fast

[lean phoenix]

o.o

yeah im ready

keeping 1 warspite dupe just in case

[sharp wing]

I have too many purins to bother w/ SR dupes, lol

[lean phoenix]

i have 7 purins in storage

i need to manage muh coins tho

[sharp wing]

PURIIIIIIII!

[lean phoenix]

oh jesus christ

[stoic skiff]

[lean phoenix]

yeah now thats a stockpile

[stoic skiff]

How you live with that much bulins?

[lean phoenix]

dock space infestation

[sharp wing]

I commt unlife

[ionic magnet]

warkai and neptune yea

tho warkai is still a long wait

[sharp wing]

We don't even have SandyKai yet

[lean phoenix]

Poor QE, not being used in HMS anymore

[sharp wing]

And warkai like half year later

[lean phoenix]

since when did EN follow chronologically

[sharp wing]

We follow order

[ionic magnet]

[sharp wing]

somewhat

[lean phoenix]

somewhat

[sharp wing]

not chronology exactly, but order ye

[lean phoenix]

ye there are the times where EN event is made to coincide with CN/JP event

hence crimson and FW

[sharp wing]

We simply can't keep that due to different times in server star in the year and due to some Global events

Some events are just Global

[lean phoenix]

i c

[sharp wing]

like CN anniv

1st global for us was Minne event i think

all 4 servers got it same time

only cn had Original run

[ionic magnet]

QE is very much useable like any of the other hms botes but yea i like my comp rn

[lean phoenix]

minne event was FW right

yeah well the fact that you are better without QE

[sharp wing]

I just can't stand QE

[lean phoenix]

QE kai must come

yeah, what a brat

At least nagato is behaved, mutsu is inquisitive, warspite is also behaved

[sharp wing]

Hate loli BBs

They ruined my Nagato

[ionic magnet]

[sharp wing]

When Tiehoe is out, I will put Nyaga between Amagi and Tiehoe

Make her ashamed

[lean phoenix]

lol

only warspite is ashamed of her form iirc

[sharp wing]

corgi is corgi

At least she will get retro skin

[ionic magnet]

hmm if a BB starts a fire then some other BB refreshed it, does the fire dmg still count for the first BB

[sharp wing]

It's still all very uncertain

[ionic magnet]

might be the reason why kgv is always miles ahead on dmg chart

[sharp wing]

that also might depend if fire damage is overwritten by higher caliber

or just refreshed by vg guns

Since any other BB will overwrite KGV burn damage

not refresh it

If it even works like that

[ionic magnet]

idk kek

maybe blue knows cos he tested fires before iirc

@elder crane

[sharp wing]

he was unsure about some of this too

[ionic magnet]

i see

[sharp wing]

that's why i say it's all uncertain

[ionic magnet]

oh well cant help it

[sharp wing]

These potato devs can do whatever with their 🍝 code, so you can never be sure

[ionic magnet]

yea lol

idek how to test that

[sharp wing]

🥔 + 🍝 =

[ionic magnet]

[sharp wing]

[stark raft]

Yeah KGV sets shit on fire

Then the barrages come to clean up

Great design

The staggered salvoes also mean more time for the fires to tick

And the needles on her barrage can finish off the 0 hp ships after the burns + barrages

[elder crane]

Oh, you've seen KGV fire damage get overwritten?
@sharp wing
That is, before KGV's fire ticks 4 times, a different fire damage tick starts appearing?
Then unless 356 for some reason is unique, that means same-calibre fires can be overwritten instead of juat refreshing timer if the new firestarter has higher damage fires

I haven't been able to see that a single time on my end when I waa tracking fires with the various Namagis, every BB fire on main seems to burn for at least 4 ticks before a different-damage fire appears

[shy hazel]

i wanna quit this game alrdy

[wicked rivet]

same

but ive spent too much money

[finite valve]

woke up and saw another one going to bite the dust

welp guess the end going to come sooner than expected

time to move house to AK then

[shy hazel]

we'll see

i made a pact that if i miss a single limited ship ill finally be free anyways

[finite valve]

and go back to where?

to the grind in gbf?

[shy hazel]

vr gaming

[finite valve]

too poor for a VR set

[shy hazel]

tbh if u spend on a mobile game

its more expensive long term

cos gacha

compared to any other games

[finite valve]

i don't see any VR game worth playing for me at least

[shy hazel]

its a niche anyways

[finite valve]

just going to watch VR porn if i ever buy one

[shy hazel]

beatsaber, star wars vr wtv is proper title, sao inpired mmorpg for vr only

it also burns alot of cals

so its p good

[finite valve]

[wicked rivet]

vr gaming

what headset ya got?

wait theres a star wars vr game?

[finite valve]

not even 1%

at least the utility skill are good like hunting range

mostly just utility skill tbh

[vagrant veldt]

a huge amount of skills are useless

I think I got a main fleet ASW one before as well

[elder crane]

cats are just grind/goldsinks, while you reroll for the few actually slightly useful skills

[vagrant veldt]

its like 4 layers of rng

[finite valve]

tbh most of the good skill need a lot of reset to get

and even then the buff is just whatever

[elder crane]

that's the point
cats are there to keep coin stockpiles in CN and JP controlled for the top players, while giving a minimal (but present) boost in return

[finite valve]

these are good but need hard reset for them

[vagrant veldt]

there is only one good one

the first one is arguable but I think its still not worth it

[finite valve]

better than the rest lel

4 skills out of like what around 50 are good?

[elder crane]

it's not any worse than 5 luck when it matters really, which is just 0.5% evarate and hitrate

[finite valve]

you take what you can get zzz

[elder crane]

plus AA is nice to have

[finite valve]

especially in planes infested w lel

not to mention i doubt many ppl got 2 full fleet of CV to use in w13

[elder crane]

Now that I think about it
of those 4, +5 luck is actually the worst

You'd need 80+% evarate or a boss that evades you over half the time for it to be better than the dmg boost/reduction

[finite valve]

should have change this to fleet exp

instant t0 skill

[sharp wing]

Phoenix man of Culture

[finite valve]

question is is she going to be useful in w13

[sharp wing]

idc, she's best general use hms cv anyway atm

[elder crane]

Vic
being useful

tbf that's true

[sharp wing]

others are either niche specialist ships or garbo like Glor

[finite valve]

until centaur appear that is

[elder crane]

Well Ark just lacks Fighters

[finite valve]

centaur > rest

[sharp wing]

cent is also specialist tbh

but ye

[elder crane]

a "specialist" that's still the best HMS generalist too

[sharp wing]

[elder crane]

and overall still one of the best generalist CV/Ls period

[sharp wing]

I don't call it general cv if it lacks 1 type of planes, that's why

Tho i would call double diver CV general

[elder crane]

Well the point is in the role of a generalist Centaur is still one of the best CV/Ls, and is the best HMS CV/L (edit: in the role of a generalist)

[sharp wing]

well, cannot not agree about best part

[elder crane]

doesn't matter if she is a generalist, if you get what I mean

[sharp wing]

But till Cent is here, Vic is best general HMS

[finite valve]

just going to use enty tyvm

[sharp wing]

[elder crane]

Only by virtue of her competition being either super specialist (Ark, Lusty, Uni)
or complete trash (Glorious)

[sharp wing]

that's what i said

[elder crane]

Yeah, it's just sad
I wish Vic was reworked to be stronger

or at least have a niche

[sharp wing]

Maybe if she wasn't HMS

[finite valve]

just wait for her eventual kai

same as ws and sandy

[sharp wing]

They kai only "bad" ships

[finite valve]

tho i am pretty sure i am going to quit before that happen

does hms even have anymore "bad" ship tho?

pow?

[sharp wing]

tbh till they cycle all nations UR retroes

[finite valve]

yeh

[elder crane]

Eugen is a clear next kai target
who else though? afaik all the other SRs are nowhere near as bad

[finite valve]

so next on the list would be either tacao or pudding

[elder crane]

PoW maybe

[finite valve]

i would say pudding next since she is more useless

[elder crane]

Takao-class aren't bad

[sharp wing]

well, 2 factions left

[finite valve]

no bad natural DD tho

most DD are good

[elder crane]

Yuudachi is the worst of the SR DDs imo and she's still quite good

[finite valve]

the only bad CV might be lusty?

[elder crane]

Lusty is seeing lots of use in her niche

[sharp wing]

Lusty is not bad, she is niche

[finite valve]

who else then?

out of all the CV only lusty and enty are from start

[elder crane]

That's my point
Maybe Sodak?

[sharp wing]

look at ijn/kms

[elder crane]

or NC

[finite valve]

not happening

is 1 per nation

US already got sandy

so only JP and german left

[sharp wing]

nc is not bad

[elder crane]

Has that ever been said by devs?

Or are you just assuming that

[finite valve]

[vagrant veldt]

could be big7 since US event

[finite valve]

assume lel

[vagrant veldt]

their updated art is pre retro

[finite valve]

since they kai sandy then move to ws

[sharp wing]

that was hinted kinda

but 🥔

do whatever

[elder crane]

Eugen anyways is clearly the next UR retro target imo

[finite valve]

yep

i hope she turns into a fortress

reflect dmg when shield is up would make her usable

[sharp wing]

she needs something else, than just shields

[finite valve]

like mg+1 like sandy?

[sharp wing]

nah

[elder crane]

Well that's what the Sandy and WS treatments were
Enhance their niche then drop some damage output on them too

[finite valve]

they can just make another 2.0 sandy tbh

pudding 100% pve focus

[elder crane]

well, "some" damage output

[finite valve]

ain't no way she going to move to pvp

[sharp wing]

some ppl still think Prinz is good dps

[finite valve]

[sharp wing]

And i talk about ppl w/ 40k + attaccs

[finite valve]

my shark can deal better dps than her at 100

[elder crane]

Well shark DpS is pretty decent/good

[sharp wing]

shark BCs?

[elder crane]

shark CAs I assume

[sharp wing]

or pocket battleship

[elder crane]

the BCs are main fleeters so they always have not-bad DpS

[sharp wing]

cause pocket battleshipos has highest fp in class

[elder crane]

Yeah
If anything they're kinda glass-cannony

[finite valve]

why do you think i compare BC shark vs pudding

[sharp wing]

comparing them to prinz is dumb

[finite valve]

the CA ones

[sharp wing]

comparing pocket battleships to Prinz is lul

[finite valve]

in the same nation tho

[elder crane]

that's not a good comparison
Shark CAs have pretty decent/good damage

[finite valve]

to fishy then?

[sharp wing]

prinz is tank, pocket battleships are dps

[elder crane]

They're just not great cause the damage they offer isn't that amazing and that's all they have

[sharp wing]

they are just not gunboats

for torp CAs their DPS is top tier

inb4 my furry taco always steal mvp cause lucky chaintorps

[elder crane]

Well there's only a few gun-CAs with torp-CA offensive stats
and all those are really powerful offensively

It's mainly that MGM+1 is effectively a doubling on main gun efficiency

[sharp wing]

eldie is just niche

[elder crane]

Eld has her niche though

[sharp wing]

and her barrage is pretty fun

[elder crane]

Poi doesn't have a good niche anymore, she's just outclassed even though she's a pretty good/decent ship overall

[sharp wing]

Poi is just another torp barrage spammer

[elder crane]

Well she works like ykkz there
her gun eff is terrible and her DpS is all from barrage

[sharp wing]

but she's been outclassed

[finite valve]

~~just wait for her kai in like 5 - 6+ years ~~

[sharp wing]

for vanilla ship she was good

[finite valve]

poi been out class since the starter kai

[elder crane]

but her torps are like only 2/3 of ykkz's damage base iirc and for some reason only use 80% torpstat

yeah, she was top of her style of DD until the starter retros

[sharp wing]

that's why i say from vanilla and outclassed

then z46 came as barrage dd queen

[elder crane]

and then Ykkz is the nail in the coffin for her

well Z46 doesn't spam torps as well as Poi still

[finite valve]

might see her kai if that what you are hinting at

[elder crane]

If I had to pick a interesting direction for her, maybe make her a IJN torp-version of Laffey?
More reload boosts, enhancing DpS but not burst

[lean phoenix]

MGM+1 CAs are the best

[sharp wing]

obviously

mg+1 + torps are better toh

[elder crane]

It's just that torp stat on CA is limited by the fact they have decent guns
otherwise they'd be OP
Ibuki is the only one to sorta get around it with double torp preload

The torp effs on torp-CAs are mostly really high
just their low torp stat really holds them down

[vagrant veldt]

also pretty much US ships are allowed mgm +1

[sharp wing]

chain torp CA deal enormous damage still when proc

Isuzu needs retro

[elder crane]

Hmm, that'd probably put her skill uptime to well over 50%

nah
make her a DpS but on torp

would be an interesting niche

[finite valve]

opinion on london kai tho?

solid skill

garbage stat line

dk if kai going to save her or just collection again

[elder crane]

Garbo stat line without OP skill is all you need to know

[vagrant veldt]

I wouldn't expect anything from HMS CAs

but they could magically retro her to be good enough save HMS vanguards

[finite valve]

usable is all i ask tbh

her skill is good

15%(?) for VG

can stack with wichita or leander

problem is she is even more paper than wichita

[elder crane]

I'd rather just take Avrora if you're looking for that boost

[finite valve]

the speed tho

[elder crane]

Also it's artillery command

won't stack with wich/leander

even though the target is different (iirc)

[finite valve]

hmm always thought diff stat can stack

welp

[elder crane]

London's is 15% FP buff no?
or are we talking about a retro skill

[finite valve]

pre kai

do we even have her post skill?

[elder crane]

the various "X Command" skills iirc don't stack when they are the same "X" but not the same ship targets

not afaik, on the post skill

e.g. Comet and Kagerou's "Torpedo Command" skills won't stack even though one is "Torpedo Command - Destroyer" and one is "Torpedo Command - Vanguard"

[finite valve]

[steep fog]

im done with roon

[finite valve]

all these new dorm and all i want is the rainy dorm set to get the flying cloud

[shell heron]

Did you miss the stardust dorm set? That has cloud furniture

[sharp wing]

Command skills that buff the same stat but have different names will not stack with each other. Each target has only the highest effect active.

[vague token]

unless they have a different prefix

xD

[sharp wing]

yes

artillery commands will not stack, but artillery command + tactical command will stack

artillery cruiser and artillery vg

[vague token]

if only konigsberg had artillery command instead of reload >_>

[sharp wing]

Hey you can stack her with art boat

[vague token]

i mean im stacking her with leipzig for roon xp

[sharp wing]

well, Leip stacks with all

[vague token]

yeah

[sharp wing]

Can't wait that retro

[vague token]

but reload is the worst stat to boost >____>

[sharp wing]

pantsushot

[vague token]

if only reload wasnt square root

X_x

[sharp wing]

TBH they should of gave us all CN anniv things

including those kawaii retros

[vague token]

just give us all the retros

not like my gold can afford them all

[sharp wing]

I still to retro half

well, not half

but around 8 missiing

[vague token]

nice

[sharp wing]

all those IJN DDs

rare+

kamikaze and stuff

I need get around to lvling em 1st too

[vague token]

im at like 18 done, aka barely any

[sharp wing]

OwO

Oh, new hotfix while i got home

[vague token]

so are the normal subs in the event sub pool

[sharp wing]

I only build 4 so idk

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

need to ask ppl who dumped 100 cubes

[shell heron]

I cannot confirm. I dumped 140 cubes into it and no regular subs

[vague token]

that was fast xD

[sharp wing]

lmao

[shell heron]

day one baby

[sharp wing]

I think regular subs are only in CV event builds

[vague token]

=(

[sharp wing]

Did we have any build with regular subs so far?

[vague token]

dont think so

[sharp wing]

I remember i asked JP ppl, and they said only CV limited gets subs, and they only get em to have subs like after 2-3 limiteds w/ CVs after subs introduced

Not even in the 1st event

with CVs

But i'm not sure

Esp about EN

So far we get like Heavy pool + limited subs and other limited type ships in there

in events with those

And Sussex always MVP in my builds of rare+ ships

Looking at my dorm (aka temp sub dock) and hate how Surcoaf artist just copypasted Lulu tsun idle anim

[vague token]

lulu?

[sharp wing]

well, skin one

honolewd

[vague token]

oh ok

[sharp wing]

look at her skin chibi

and at surcoaf

[vague token]

oh, i never realized kizuna bb got torpedos on that barrage lol

shoot everything everywhere

[sharp wing]

lol

I still hate at lvl 100 Kizu bb and ca are pretty op, but at 120 they are trash, cause almost zero stat gain

[vague token]

yeah =(

[sharp wing]

like wtf

And they were released after 110

[vague token]

i think the neptunia ships get more stats than kizuna lol

black heart doubles her evade like normal CAs from 100 to 120

[sharp wing]

doesn't help that their base stat are poo

Also that purple heart? 120 sec barrage skill is fcking gmae enderf

[vague token]

oh god that skill xD

[sharp wing]

yeah

[vague token]

"here's your a rank"

[sharp wing]

It fcking blows enemies through the map

[vague token]

neptunia is like all timer barrages too

=/

ugh i hate timer barrages

[sharp wing]

Victory slash has highest med armor and heavy armor damage in game xD

by around 2k higher damage to closest opponent

And it's "incenerating Ap shells"

Ap w/ 20% burn and whole map pierce

[vague token]

i mean, with the shell's base damage the burn should be pretty high

[sharp wing]

The pattern is weird ofc

[vague token]

ofc

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

eventually we'll get NEXT forms righttttt

[shell heron]

when neps become the new PvP meta

[vague token]

i wouldnt mind trying white heart if her torpedo slow had higher chances of activating

or if it triggered on torpedo

instead of 20 seconds

they just gotta adjust all the barrages to be based on w/e weapon the character uses

lol she shoots oranges

[sharp wing]

http://p9.qhimg.com/t017c614c8f61916b10.gif

[vague token]

does that technically go to backline in pvp lol

[sharp wing]

probably

[vague token]

not that she'd ever live 120 seconds

[sharp wing]

But no pvp vg will last 120 sec

Some Yukie RNG

[vague token]

maybe if they ever did another nep collab

they could add an "exe" drive mechanic

that charges passively, but also gains boosts when doing damage or taking damage

so it could take 120 seconds of doing literally nothing

but less if they're contributing

[shell heron]

no pvp will last 120s in general

except for that one stall match I had last season

[vague token]

lol

[sharp wing]

FdG

[vague token]

the only matches i have that go over 60 are when enemy backline dies and it's just ykk zooming around

[sharp wing]

ykk vs ykk takes forever

I had few

Each 10 seconds you want to press pause restart

[vague token]

i just reset on ykk vs ykk

it'll be faster to just do the fight over

[sharp wing]

Weakling

[vague token]

yes

[sharp wing]

[elder crane]

Purple Heart is 115 s, which means barrage finishes in time for S rank (but without clean-up time on missed mobs)

[sharp wing]

Forgot Nich got retro already

Now i'm missing 13 total after Frenchies...

[vague token]

oof

[sharp wing]

Yet to get Jin and Nich too

[vague token]

who even has nich from farming 9-3 xD

i got nich a while back during sanrui farm

[sharp wing]

only non x-4 boss ship

I just can't get around to lvl all those IJN DD retroes

And not we get to have spare

Amd HyuuKai only PVP retro

oh and sendais

hmm

i did 2/3 Nep farm during d2

leander + ajax

damn Ajax so good, lol

Waiting achiless retro

I love Furry taco kai

and kako

will be my core Ibuki farm

Tho i also need to lvl sendai

tho their 120 tech stat is meh

Ashigara hype died out fast

[vague token]

who? xD

[sharp wing]

The bearer of the smile you need protecc

[vague token]

oh ok

[sharp wing]

ijn vg

that +1 hp is really trash tho

on furry tako and kako

gonna 120 cranes

[vague token]

that sounds like a lot of work

[sharp wing]

well, their are good for mobbing

well, skk

ppl even use skk solo tho... Says a lot about Zkk

[vague token]

i guess i could level them a bit since i need to do the zkk secretary mission

but i dunno about 120

[sharp wing]

well, i really like em

Indulge in Shoukakus tenderness

OwO Kongo 120 gives +1 eva to BBs

nvm BCs

oh, all class

+4 BC eva potential there

[sharp wing]

|Forgot i have 2 tix left at 3 mins before reset

There mem fleets anyway

[shell heron]

inb4 namayuu stalls you

[sharp wing]

Dragon vs Fox

[sharp wing]

Hood was trying to sink my Junie with 1% hp for like 10 secs eventually dying

That was worth a vid

[vague token]

and +1 from a rank 50

rip

at that part now

xD

[sharp wing]

I'm still at 500

so i got +2

I will salvage 2 lost tix till the point of no sandbag plebs

[vague token]

lol

[sharp wing]

kagerou retro smoll growth 😒

gave her my last

[vague token]

lol

what does she get again?

disturbance shooting?

[sharp wing]

+20 ASW

well, i meant other "growth"

[vague token]

[elder crane]

So I'm running Namayuu-Aurora-Stall
And I get murdered by opening torps - ykkz and Aurora are instantly deleted
Too bad enemy is Nakaga and still lost

[trim horizon]

[wicked rivet]

[vague token]

nice first place yuno

;)

[wicked rivet]

tyyy

[shell heron]

ah shit, pretty dead list.

[wicked rivet]

Im gonna be gone after sunday so i figured why not rush early

[shell heron]

do I move on a +1 or wait

[wicked rivet]

move on a +1

[shell heron]

that would be smart. hopefully someone else move in the next hour

[wicked rivet]

better to get 2 +1 than try waiting for a +2

oh wait nobody's moved? rip good luck

[shell heron]

it's okay. the last 2 resets I got 2 +4s

so that kinda balances it out

not like it matters too much. that +10 season start was really bad

oh, it was a +2 all along

[trim horizon]

you have a challenge to overcome

[shell heron]

the ultimate sandbagger's challenge

recover from a deficient

[vague token]

xD

[trim horizon]

like 3 ticket lost

[vague token]

none of the people i have are moving =/

[trim horizon]

1061 8/10

also rip list

[shell heron]

If that is Avrora, RIP me

1009 9/10

[vague token]

1093 6/10

[trim horizon]

im Sandy

[ionic magnet]

i have the infamous darkova but hes dead

1062 9/10

[shell heron]

wait. how far behind did I fall

[ionic magnet]

yea thats weird

you sure you didnt miss any charge?

[trim horizon]

I hate it too when the invisible lost ticket appear

[shell heron]

none at all. even one dead reset from before won't be this bad

[ionic magnet]

thats like missing 2-3 charges even if you exclude your 10 pt start

and my start isnt even good either

135 pts first 5 matches kek

oh sht darkova is pushing

[shell heron]

now my exercise count is weird. did I get some lost tickets out of nowhere

so, it's impossible to recover now. guess I try for gensui and call it

[trim horizon]

the mysterious lost ticket

[vague token]

[ionic magnet]

maybe you mistook 6/10 for 5/10
i swear 5 and 6 look so similar with AL font

[sharp wing]

i got 1078 7/10 w/ 2 or 3 lost tix

[ionic magnet]

i missed a charge cos of that last season kek

[shell heron]

ah well, it was a lost season from the start.

a 125 start

I swear I need to track my matches now. Beginning to think I didn't finish my pvps last night

[stark raft]

Yeah always makes me wonder when i wake up with 10 tix

[trim horizon]

where is the in-game match tracker

[elder crane]

When I miss matches I purposely drop matches at end of season to form a multiple of 5 on my total PvP count (visible in profile)

this way I can see if I missed matches, as long as it isn't 5 (which would be pretty obvious on score/ranking anyways)

alternatively you can just remember what your total match count is mod 5, but that's harder to remember/keep track of

[shell heron]

starting the season it was a nice number ending in 5

but I have a 2 right now with 9/10

[elder crane]

4 dropped then probably
unless you have a huge deficit, which means 9

pretty easy system to use imo

[shell heron]

though it's weird sometimes because it doesn't track some matches at times

I know I did my all my matches but it dropped 1 or 2 matches

[elder crane]

Well, I hate to break it to you, but......

[shell heron]

but there's a chance I really did drop 4 matches seeing as I'm 60 points behing hoo

[elder crane]

unless there's a refresh issue, well, yeah......

it's always tracked mine accurately

[shell heron]

lets try and fix that number this season, seeing as EoS top 10 is impossible

I think even top 100 is not possible now

[trim horizon]

Pog

[stark raft]

1100 5/10 should be no oversleeping right?

[wicked rivet]

fam

last season I dropped 7 matches cause I forgot to do them and i ended up in top 150 overall

you'll be fine

[shell heron]

I'll find out when base points become 10

then I can see if I'm behind the current top rankers

wait. it should be 10 base points right now

[finite valve]

time to move to nagato zzz

[shell heron]

your nagato isn't maxed yet

And I'm giving up on this season. No point in trying if I can't even get gensui

yes it really looks like I forgot to finish 4 matches last night

[ionic magnet]

souryuu bae

hmm theres still a good chance if you only want gensui

just rush on sunday np

[cerulean estuary]

im so jelly , i only have 120's pvp fleets , not pve

[stark raft]

Jun got to 120 before my portland/mogami lmao

[coral wren]

ye, i can't really beat w12 ch3 and 4 with hms 😄 uss ships are very underleveled, never touched them since wasde has gone to shit

[stark raft]

is 12-3/4 the hardest?

[coral wren]

cv bosses

plane swarms, kinda difficult to beat it, because aa is kinda poo

[stark raft]

I stopped on 12-2 cause fucking sendai wont drop

[coral wren]

well, 12-3 is a double cv boss. Shit hurts

[stark raft]

Yeah guess I can wait for sandy kai or cent

[ionic magnet]

im still getting walled by columbia
i refuse to skip her

[coral wren]

Also, about hms, will saint louis be better than nep if you don't run qe?

I'm still leveling kgv, and there are 3 setups right now i see viable, but not sure which one would be the best. Kgv/mon/ws, qe/mon/ws, qe/kgv/mon

while with qe i pick nep, but if there is no qe then..

[stark raft]

I'd say kgv mon qe would be most consistent

same vg with Jun/nanoda?

[coral wren]

ye

so third ship for qe is definetelly nep

but without her, i suppose sanrui or aurora

well, aurora fits both honestly

[stark raft]

Hmm I haven't tried out sanrui yet

But I think SL VG needs tons of boilers

Wait you need 1 HMS vanguard for KGV buff

[vague token]

im using gyro on sanrui

35 hit and 8 speed

;)

[coral wren]

oh shi

then sr instead of yuki i suppose

nep is a mandatory

[stark raft]

I guess sanrui and nep can shred VG

won't need nanoda heal if you finish fights

[vague token]

sanrui doesnt shred vg

she's just bulky and can do some damage

if you fight against belfast you're going to do damage obviously but your other vg members are gonna have problems against aurora because you have no torp alpha

[ionic magnet]

id still pick yuki over sanrui tbh cos she stalls better especially when so few ppl uses aurora

how much dmg does sanrui do anyway kiro

in a match

[vague token]

depends

if im going against retro stall she'll push 13k depending on boiler count

[ionic magnet]

around 5-10k usually then? against jun/ykkz/x

not much different with yuki dmg if thats the case

[vague token]

ykk will always top vg damage by Not Dying

xD

plus sometimes you just get evaded on sanrui

cls are still annoying to hit

not counting aiming just evade

i couldnt kill lead juneau against blue before getting ryuusei'd to death from aurora

could be rng

but

[ionic magnet]

yea true

[vague token]

i wasnt using 3 boiler there though

only 2

[ionic magnet]

is that why you're using gyro now

[vague token]

or rather +24 speed

yeah

[ionic magnet]

blue is an exception tho

told you his yuki is a god

[vague token]

true, his rng power is out of this world ;)

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

i swapped in nagato and still had problems so

big rip

[ionic magnet]

hmm i can see myself using sanrui/jun/nep if peeps use aurora more

there's so many combinations tbh and all of it can prolly work

[elder crane]

Yeah, Louis is for shutting down aurora in PvP
Otherwise there's better
Otherwise Aurora is an annoying PoS (or so I hear)
I'm surprised my lead juneau is working though.... Bulge and Box on her btw

[vague token]

it's more like i kept catching every main gun shot xD

so my mid juneau was dying before your lead juneau

into hitting every ryuusei torp

[elder crane]

I gave in to boiler on Ykkz, I had box on her before cause Sheff/Jun lasts so long that Ykkz is left on low HP and the box imo was useful for that

[vague token]

yeah lots of boilers is too important still

[elder crane]

Jun/Aurora ofc doesn't have that issue so I can safely put boiler on ykkz

2 boilers for me

[vague token]

2 boilers and gyro power ;)

[shell heron]

I know Sanrui is powerful when Aurora is in play, but EN has so little Auroras right now

[sharp wing]

being using tank Junie all the way

[shell heron]

I wonder if using nep will be better for how long she can last

[elder crane]

Nep afaik is better vs non-Aurora

[shell heron]

well I already invested all my event bps into sanrui. might as well finish her

[stark raft]

my nep outlives mid nanoda most of the time

[elder crane]

Aurora apparently is better vs non-Sanrui though (than Nep)
Apparently a rock-paper-scissors thing here

[sharp wing]

nep offtank?

[stark raft]

Nep offtank yeah

[sharp wing]

Offtank is safest spot actually

after tank dies, mid eats all torps and what not

so Yukie always better offtank

[stark raft]

I guess nanoda can stay mid

[shell heron]

oh I'm pushing all 10 matches because why not

I'd relog to see if I show up on your list after I'm done

[vague token]

the only bad part about ykk off tank

is it gets splashed easier by big seven

aka set on fire

[stark raft]

if she does her job I don't care if she dies

id rather wait for Nep vs Nanoda than nanoda vs nanoda

maybe I should invest in Aurora before Cent hits

KGV Cent Monarch + Jun Nep Aurora

[sharp wing]

put there amagi and yukie and u good

[coral wren]

when i see a vanguard with 2 hms ship i want to put qe there instantly

[sharp wing]

idk running 5 hms without QE is some unhealthy obsession

[vague token]

o.O

[coral wren]

you either replace cent or kgv

[stark raft]

KGV needs 3 for buff and Aurora is for debuff

[sharp wing]

kgv buff brings nothing compared to yukie and amagi

[coral wren]

i don't think replacing monarch is a good idea

[sharp wing]

literally nothing

[stark raft]

yes let's not give one of the strongest hms BB her buff

[vague token]

lol

[sharp wing]

lol

[stark raft]

let's get amagi survivability buff instead for offence right

[sharp wing]

amagi herself is offense

[stark raft]

[sharp wing]

buffing 1 ship vs buffing all main

[coral wren]

quite often that ship does dmg that's equal to your 2 others

[sharp wing]

besides amagi not only Buffs all main, she debuffs ALL enemies

[coral wren]

so

[stark raft]

1 ship has 10% dmg buff, 20% crit rate and high luck/acc; let's not give her more buffs and get amagi buffs/debuffs instead

[coral wren]

I dunno, hms has quite a few choices. Need to run like 50 matches against some bis namayu to see what is the best

[sharp wing]

it's just dumb to pretend KGV buff > Amagi global buff/debuff

[vague token]

where my tennessee retro at

instead of the stupid 30 second debuff lol

something that's actually useful

[sharp wing]

[coral wren]

when i get my kgv to 120 with aur and bel, i'll try to get alex, since he is the only one from wash here who has namayu

[vague token]

oh and arizona kai plz

;)

[sharp wing]

Not happening, cause artist mia

[vague token]

[stark raft]

I have a 110 namayu

[coral wren]

he prolly already maxed them

[stark raft]

only reason I use HMS cause it's faster and I have no akagi

[vague token]

lol

[sharp wing]

It's not even HMS without QE

[stark raft]

KGV needs 3 hms wdym

[sharp wing]

lol

[stark raft]

look it's not that hard to understand

Amagi buffs evarate/decrease burn and debuffs enemies

does that make you go faster

[sharp wing]

that makes me afk during pvp

don't care about fast

lol

[stark raft]

then that's why I use hms

[sharp wing]

"HMS"

[stark raft]

easier to type than KGV and the bois

[coral wren]

hms is hms, regardless if monkey is there or not. 4 out of 6 ships are hms, so

[ionic magnet]

amagi is just another 70% barrager she can rot in my dock til i get nagato

[coral wren]

the whole ijn can rot in my dock

[sharp wing]

So angery

[stark raft]

my naga and hiryuu just wants chips

[sharp wing]

My namayuu my only 120 main

as well as pvp vg

[stark raft]

just use amagi and yuki in w13

[coral wren]

ijn was a mistake

[stark raft]

not making yamato/musashi was a mistake

[sharp wing]

loli Nagato was a mistake

[stark raft]

worst leak ever

[cerulean estuary]

what if EN announce / release PR2 on 1st anniv

[coral wren]

Eeh

[sharp wing]

no shit

we are not KR

[cerulean estuary]

haha where doomed

[coral wren]

Then en tards will cry how they still unfinished pr1

and they want to slow it down

[sharp wing]

I'm unfinished w/ pr1

[stark raft]

Roon can stay there until I have enough BP's

[sharp wing]

but i'd like pr2

[vague token]

pr2 soon plz

need to start 50 bps for gun

[coral wren]

500 bps grind yeeah boai

never fucking ending

[sharp wing]

we will have a period of pr1 bps

idk how KR is doing with all the rush

they had pr2 same time as cn/jp

[coral wren]

But i'd like to see Zack's reaction if pr2 comes on the anniversary

[vague token]

lol

[stark raft]

does KR even care about azur lane

they had turtle ships or smth right

[cerulean estuary]

intern-kun stalking discord channels , hope he didnt see / read this convo

[stark raft]

no one cares about this channel

just rename it to IJN circlejerk already

[coral wren]

in that regard al should be renamed to ijn circlejerk

would be pretty accurate

[vague token]

kinda sad that despite ws kai being a thing, azuma just pushes us back to ijn xD

thanks pr2

[coral wren]

well, just pray for pr3

i don't play wows, but i think ppl who do already figured out who will be in there

[vague token]

wow pr3 cv when

;)

[buoyant parrot]

rename game to Sakura Empire Lane

[vagrant veldt]

I believe in the next event

pr3 will be the TXs

[sharp wing]

pr3 will be pizza ships

[vagrant veldt]

AL is really good at making trash ships in wows t0

Montana will dominate

Its annoying how any naval game just have to nerf US ships

[sharp wing]

inb4 pr3 soviet bias

[coral wren]

Montana, moskva

[vagrant veldt]

real life US ships are just unbalanced

[coral wren]

uhhh

what other paperships are there at t10?

[vagrant veldt]

Minotaur

[coral wren]

Already in the game, isn't it?

was added recently

[vagrant veldt]

thats a different Minotaur class

[coral wren]

Oh, ok

[vagrant veldt]

TX one is after Neptune class

[coral wren]

inb4 monarch 2.0 with 16 inch guns

[vague token]

well, lets get alaska first see if an eagle large cruiser can even the odds ;)

[coral wren]

Also, what do you mean by us are unbalanced irl

Iirc cvs of uss and ijn were somewhat equal, it just that industrial power of usa managed to produce much much more of ships.

[vague token]

if anything hms cvs were more impressive with the armored design

lusty tanked quite a bit of punishment

doesnt reflect in game though rip

too bad hms armored carriers dont get defense skills

[stark raft]

Lusty kai

[coral wren]

They had only belt armor, right? Or did they also have an armored deck?

[vague token]

lusty had an armored deck

[coral wren]

Interesting..

[vague token]

that's why the germans sent a TON of bombers after her

including a 2k bomb

[coral wren]

I know taihou had an armored deck as well

[vague token]

24-36 stukas sent after her in first wave

[coral wren]

But unlucky, subs are op

Ahh, yes. But she payed for it by having 36 planes instead of 72

[sharp wing]

USS carriers starting with midway had same armored decks as hms carriers

We just need Shinano

Yamato CV

Taihou low luck in game due to her being sunk by single torpedo

from sub

[coral wren]

Well, there is an opinion out there if her crew were better trained she wouldn't explode

[cerulean estuary]

1. inexperienced / unskilled damage control crews
2. design flaws

[sharp wing]

doesn't matter

Maybe they will make shinano pr ship

[coral wren]

Uh, design flaws?

[sharp wing]

But WoWs still can't fix their CVs

[coral wren]

Oh, right. 2 elevators, old planes and 53 planes in total

[cerulean estuary]

im talking about the near end war CV's like taihou and shinano

[stark raft]

don't see any design flaws on taihou, she got big tiddies and thighs also voiced by aoi yuuki

[cerulean estuary]

im talking about realistic ship not the 2d ( 2d got no problem ) no flaw;s they are perfect as hell

[vague token]

uh, also her fuel storage was like awkward

[sharp wing]

[cerulean estuary]

if u can read the wiki links on taihou and shinano youll know , or watch youtube videos review / information on them

[vague token]

we need firestarter torpedos

or rudder hunter torpedos

[stark raft]

If they make shinano a loli 🚮

[vague token]

for more variety

[sharp wing]

If they make Yamato a loli i quit

[cerulean estuary]

i think they will make yamato and musashi = twins

[stark raft]

Actually, if they make Musashi a loli i'd uninstall

[cerulean estuary]

with big oppa's of course ( not loli ) sadly to counterpart KC's

[sharp wing]

nagato and mutsu already was too much

[coral wren]

japs love little girls, so i'd say it will be only natural for yamato and musashi to be lolis as well. Not that i care much tho

[sharp wing]

japs are little themslves...

[coral wren]

ijn combo is: loli, furry and an idol

[cerulean estuary]

and there are TRAPS

[sharp wing]

[stark raft]

hard to fuck up musashi's design

[coral wren]

combine those three and you get a perfect bait for whales on jp

[sharp wing]

i hate her KC design

[stark raft]

if they lolify her 🚮

[coral wren]

what if she will be a schoolgirl

[stark raft]

give her yakuza/delinquent aesthethic

[coral wren]

inb4 she will be a first ever trap in al, just like that french from fate

astolfo, that's it

[stark raft]

idk if they'd actually lose or gain players from putting a trap in

[coral wren]

probably lose, i heard ppl from jp were pretty unhappy with helena and cleveland

[vague token]

wait what's wrong with helena

[coral wren]

some yuri bait

[vague token]

o.O

[coral wren]

not as bad as on en tho

[sharp wing]

Yuri is fine

[coral wren]

fucking "lovebirds"

lel

[sharp wing]

You don't like yuri?

[coral wren]

But they called it a bait or smth like that

Not sure was it because they don't like 2d lesbians or because it was too blatant to get some extra $

jp is weird

[sharp wing]

Helena is nowhere a lesbian tho

[coral wren]

Well, a few slides with cleve having a dance with her made them upset, so

[sharp wing]

meh

[stark raft]

they fucked up

they forgot to lolify them first

[sharp wing]

they did

[stark raft]

so it was lena and clevelad?

[sharp wing]

that would be too much tho

[coral wren]

ye

Hm, i guess it's better to stick with qe/monarch/kgv untill there is a second white shell

[sharp wing]

[stark raft]

nah u gottse use ijn for the circlejerk

nakaga offence namayuu defence

[coral wren]

I know wasde meta was kinda frustrating

with all those e duels and such

But i already miss that

[sharp wing]

It was wasda for the most part

[vague token]

i mean e duels get solved when everyone swapped to 410

instead of 406

and pre aurora just use eldridge

[stark raft]

I didn't even get to experience that

[sharp wing]

I used wasda till early June

[stark raft]

started during CE and my 3rd SSR was amagi

[vague token]

xD

[sharp wing]

I haven't used Junie till last 2-3 motnhs

[stark raft]

Jun was a game changer

[sharp wing]

wasd didnb't need junie to roll over anything

[coral wren]

i think ppl used her way before foxes meta came in

[sharp wing]

till stall ijn

[vague token]

right when aurora came out i swapped to minne/aurora to kill juneaus and eldridge before 20

xD

[stark raft]

Newbies should prioritize Jun/Pearl and they can atleast reset to win

[sharp wing]

Eldie was never a problem

[vague token]

i mean, eldridge on both teams leads to e vs e

and id rather just hard pass

[sharp wing]

eldie leads to -1 vg

[vague token]

i mean most people werent using foxes/aurora yet

so it was fine

i think i swapped to fortune somewhere though

[sharp wing]

ppl used foxes much earlier, than they got Eldies wdym

Eldie was only after 1-2 month into server start

foxes were 1st week

Back in the days of Cleve and Yorktown

ofc prinz was everywhere too

[vague token]

i guess i when i started pvp there was hood/foxes

but when we swapped to wasde

eldridge showed up

quite a bit

[sharp wing]

wash happened much later

wash was end of ocotober

for pvp somewhere mid november