pvp

[vague token]

im not gonna bother

xD

[sharp wing]

It's affected by FP tho

not by torp stat

Like Sara guns by Avi

[vague token]

uh, dont some bbs/bcs use their torp stat?

[sharp wing]

yes

[vague token]

i think they use like 120% torp

[sharp wing]

all that have torp skill or barrage

[elder crane]

he means the proposed gun

[vague token]

oh ok

XD

so would the torp gun be HE or?

;)

[elder crane]

torp ofc

[finite valve]

just use normal torp mod lel

[sharp wing]

Torp

[vague token]

actually if we could convert stats into other attack types

that would be cool

[elder crane]

like how the KGV mods work

[vague token]

like CAs that could use a FP torp

[elder crane]

waaaait a sec...

[sharp wing]

KGV big shells have torp modifiers

in barage

[vague token]

this is why we need those siren helicopters

[sharp wing]

I want gun like that, lol

[vague token]

so carriers can have gun modifiers

but use their avi stat

[sharp wing]

you cannot have damn helicopters in ww2

[vague token]

tell that to the sirens

also, that one retro

[sharp wing]

that just recon

[vague token]

[finite valve]

we already have 1 actually

[elder crane]

koln ret uses one

[sharp wing]

not actual battle copter

[finite valve]

helicop is a helicop

[sharp wing]

like the ones you want

[elder crane]

also Fusou/Yama rets spam bullets

which I'm not surprised if you don't know

since it's Fusou/Yama ret

[sharp wing]

by they don't float like heli

[finite valve]

no idea what they were think giving a useless ship a useless piece of gear

[elder crane]

hey it's budget-Chaser

[finite valve]

like that thing gives what +20 ASW at max?

nice gear

[sharp wing]

It's just skill item

[elder crane]

and actually lines up well with chaser to have long reveal uptime

[finite valve]

implying you want to use CA for DD job

lel

[elder crane]

CL

[sharp wing]

CA?

Ks are CLs

[finite valve]

oh really?

never notice

[sharp wing]

yeah

[finite valve]

[sharp wing]

KS and Leipzig

[vague token]

lol

[elder crane]

105 ASW stat though

[finite valve]

to me all the K class are useless either way

CL or CA make little diff

[sharp wing]

CL makes em more useless tbh

[elder crane]

literally does ~1/4 less ASW dmg than most DDs

Laffey though the queen of killing subs

[sharp wing]

Eldie actually

[elder crane]

Nah Tmode Laffey spams those charges

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

im swapping to hms asw fleet

[elder crane]

literally spits them out one a second

[vague token]

;)

[finite valve]

tbh you only need a +10 depth charge + sonar on any DD will work

[vague token]

gotta train up vampire

[sharp wing]

I use common hms retro for asw

[elder crane]

If Tmode wasn't RNG Chaser/Laffey could easily auto 10-SoS boss

[sharp wing]

SOS boss is actualyl a reason for me to use and lvl z vanguard

[elder crane]

for now I'm just lving Laffey and Sandy there

[finite valve]

i still a firm believer that cubes PR are useless

[elder crane]

both are kinda low lv

[sharp wing]

cubes are lit

7 bps 30 mins

[finite valve]

i mostly focus on 1 ship at a time tbh

wait don't cubes also cost gold?

[elder crane]

nope

[sharp wing]

Well, i meant the ones gold + cubes

[finite valve]

so only the 30m one does?

[elder crane]

yep

[finite valve]

knowing my luck i am goin to get 4bp from them either way

[coral wren]

Hm, is 15% dmg reduction = 10 eva ratio?

[finite valve]

[elder crane]

Also if you're still using the CN info the 8k+3cubes one isn't that bad

no, much more eva than that

[coral wren]

Would explain why ppl use graf and not amagi

[elder crane]

on evarate less than 10%

[vague token]

no, they just want to use kms

[finite valve]

amagi both debuff + buff your

GZ only buff you

[elder crane]

Amagi evasion+debuff means she protects main better than GZ, minus that her buff isn't perma

[finite valve]

also not like the buff matter when 50% of the line up are non KMS

[elder crane]

GZ buff remains even if sunk though iirc

[vague token]

also technically weakens fire

because she debuffs core stats

instead of damage reduction

[elder crane]

she also reduces fires directly

[finite valve]

zep dmg is garbage last i hear

[elder crane]

Zep under Bis afaik isn't terrible in dmg

[finite valve]

even with her planes

[sharp wing]

Zep makes a good rain tho

[elder crane]

+20% damage and the crits

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

zep damage should be betterish than sara

[elder crane]

Also the KMS planes still suck on GZ

[vague token]

but depends on how much the enemy dodges

[coral wren]

She just needs good planes, right?

[vague token]

also note that stuka small bombs have lower hit rate >_>

[finite valve]

technically her planes are already good

155% eff

[elder crane]

SB2C still outperforms Ju on GZ

[coral wren]

^

[elder crane]

and ofc german fighters are

[vague token]

the problem is that 100 pound bombs lose like 10-15% hit rate compared to 2k lol

[finite valve]

problem with GZ is that her reload speed

[shell helm]

yes even skilled 10 SB2C still out perform

[sharp wing]

KMS needs good bobmers and proper 500 fighters

[finite valve]

super fucking low

not to mention her dmg is just average

[coral wren]

give her heinkel 111 bomber

[vague token]

sara has higher efficiency not counting the skill too lol

[elder crane]

under Bis she's somewhat acceptable afaik
Bis has the same +20% aviation damage as Nagato

[sharp wing]

• crits for planes

[elder crane]

• crits too, yep

[finite valve]

is her touch down dmg good tho?

[shell helm]

will 100lb crit help tho

[sharp wing]

with a lot of bombs on Jus you gonna score some crits

[vague token]

and a lot of misses

[finite valve]

[sharp wing]

touch down crits

[finite valve]

best bet is FdG amagi and biscuit tbh

[vague token]

and i dont mean the bomb size

[finite valve]

VG is roon YKK and jesus?

[vague token]

i mean the actual hit rate ;)

[finite valve]

VG line up never change no matter the comp

always the 2 rats

[sharp wing]

You call Junie a rat

[finite valve]

[sharp wing]

[coral wren]

Will roon fit tho? Doexsn't she need a lot of time to fully stack?

[sharp wing]

She needs few time to fully sink

[finite valve]

then what's the point of using biscuit then

the reason why ppl use biscuit is KMS comp

if you ain't using KMS then just use cancer

[sharp wing]

Buffers are only to buff main fleet tbh

[elder crane]

That's kinda the point

[finite valve]

not if GZ is useless

[elder crane]

drop GZ, then drop Roon, then why Bis, ohwait now it's just IJN

[finite valve]

which make the fight a 5.5 v 6

GZ is just there

[vague token]

na solo biscuit is good

[sharp wing]

Just take Azuma and solve issue

[finite valve]

even qe is better as a buffer compare to her

[vague token]

;))

[sharp wing]

+1 main ship

[elder crane]

Like literally if you just sub out the KMS team ships for ones that perform better even in that team you arrive at IJN

Namagi FdG Azuma Jun Ykkz

[finite valve]

this man get it

[sharp wing]

fdg + Azuma gonna wall some shit

alone

[finite valve]

depend on how high fdg dmg is tho

we know how tanky she is

[sharp wing]

damage doesn't matter

She jsut outlives opponent

[finite valve]

for 5 min?

[sharp wing]

Even if her damage is crap comparable to Prinz

[vague token]

i mean

[elder crane]

Well, no
but FdG damage won't be shite

[vague token]

fdg damage should be good

she has like

[elder crane]

she has the best guns of pretty much anyone

[vague token]

160 eff?

[sharp wing]

She has S tier fp

[elder crane]

and also a sprinkling of barrages too

[vague token]

ultra high fp

[elder crane]

she has the highest MG eff ingame too iirc

[vague token]

alternating crit boost and reload boost

[finite valve]

160 220

[vague token]

her damage is gonna be good

[sharp wing]

forgetting BBVs

[elder crane]

isn't 160 same as frenchies?

[vague token]

gascogne is 180

[sharp wing]

170%

[vague token]

but she only gets 2 shots

so it's worse

[elder crane]

ah gascogne, right

[vague token]

160 times 3 destroys everything in the game

[finite valve]

?

fdg got mgm+1 tho?

[elder crane]

oh Georgia has her beat too

[sharp wing]

Hyuuga 175%

[vague token]

level 10 and level 30

[elder crane]

there's two MGM+1s

for total MGM+2

[vague token]

there is literally no ship with that much shelling potential

480 lol

[sharp wing]

PR gotta be PR

[elder crane]

Her barrage is weak, but she does have one

[sharp wing]

Not some Izumo

[elder crane]

and it's 100% too, basically

[sharp wing]

[finite valve]

Gascogne only got 1 mgm?

[vague token]

no, she has her mechanic

where she gets 2 shots per reload

[elder crane]

yep, you get 2 manual shots

[vague token]

she is manual mode oriented

[finite valve]

oh yeh

[elder crane]

her barrage means she's still great auto

and her heal means she's made for mobbing

[sharp wing]

she get's double Zombie

[vague token]

oh and dont forget fdg gets hard damage mods too

[elder crane]

16% total at a high threshold, 50%

[coral wren]

gasko jb richelieu d'arc fleet when

[vague token]

50% crit damage on the 2nd salvo lol

you crit one ship and they're going to explode

biscuit should have given crit damage xD

[elder crane]

Yep
FdG damage will be at least good
imo won't be top though

[vague token]

yeah but her ratio of EHP to damage

is probably the best

[elder crane]

Main gun shelling for PvP is, well, main guns without WS targeting
and her barrage is meh

yeah, for sure, that's FdG's role

Plus once in end with VGs dead main guns are better

and FdG easily makes it to that point

[vague token]

what is her total hp not even counting evasion again xD

[sharp wing]

almost 9.9k

w/ 200 over 10k

[finite valve]

9.6k at 120 actually

[coral wren]

without fdg kms is still shit, right?

[finite valve]

dk if that is 100 aff or just base tho

[sharp wing]

9886

at 120 100 aff

not oathed

[finite valve]

so the wiki is at 100 aff?

[sharp wing]

yes

wiki always at 100 aff

[vague token]

she should have about 26k hp in pvp

with her scaling damage reduction

[sharp wing]

she has 0 luck and 26 eva tho

[vague token]

no evasion

[finite valve]

pretty sure they make fdg as a direct counter to WS kai

[vague token]

lemme toss in zep

[sharp wing]

just MEATY

Amagi evarate will be of huge help to her

[vague token]

31k

the only problem with that is you gotta do it 3 times for each health threshold xD

because she has .0 for first 30%, .1 for 2nd 40%, and .2 for last 30%

xD

[finite valve]

no pain no gain

[sharp wing]

what about pain w/ no gain

[vague token]

lol

[sharp wing]

You still gain merits

and some exp

[vague token]

pain w/ some gain

xD

[sharp wing]

Time to go back to D2 ghetto

[vague token]

you left?

;)

why does fdg also have 220 aux gun eff

lol

[sharp wing]

I left D2 ghetto for PVP ghetto

But then came back...

[odd schooner]

Missed some matches
Even woke up an hour before reset and my brain decided to sleep back lmao

[vague token]

when will we get a ship that puts an enemy to sleep ;)

[finite valve]

more like just out right bash them to sleep

that way they won't wake up when your other boat hit them

[vague token]

xD

[sharp wing]

just let Glowworm RAM them till they are knocked out

Headbutt

[elder crane]

That'd be an interesting retro skill

debuff on enemy upon ramming them

[sharp wing]

RAMming intensifies

[elder crane]

Anti-Azuma tech

[vague token]

im pretty sure even with the ram reduction skill azuma has too much hp to kill her

[finite valve]

doubt it going to work on any boing boing boat since they got those massive air bag to cushion the bump

[vague token]

xD

[sharp wing]

Azuma got some safebags

[vague token]

thicc hp

[sharp wing]

thicc...

eyes

[elder crane]

more like anti-ykkz then maybe

[finite valve]

all i need in life is for her to sit on my face

i would die a happy SKK

[sharp wing]

Shitkican

[vague token]

monarch 97%

i started at like 20 or 30

this drop rate is cursed

[sharp wing]

Na, it's just you

[vague token]

it could be both ;)

[sharp wing]

Gotta rub RNGesus in places

[shell helm]

will this work or 🚮

[vague token]

no juneau / 10

[sharp wing]

no junie and yukie

[shell helm]

which should i show the door then

[shell heron]

doesn't bel have more HP than sheffy?

[vague token]

just change her gear

[shell helm]

@shell heron i spec sheff to have more

[vague token]

it's really easy to get sheffield to cover everything besides thicc CAs

[sharp wing]

bel need not to run tool/pearl

Yeah, by gimping other ships gear

[coral wren]

juneau aur yuki is your choice

if it's a hms fleet

Which it is if that a doy on top

[shell helm]

yes currently its PURE HMS

[sharp wing]

A man can dream

Untill his dreams are crushed by meta

[trim horizon]

Is that a DoY 👀

[sharp wing]

It is

[coral wren]

Just don't run hood along with monarch
it's a PUKE hms

[sharp wing]

[finite valve]

[trim horizon]

[sharp wing]

Doy + QE you already down on barrages

[shell helm]

monarch is not ready yet need more BPs currently is this (starting to struggle 🐌 )

[coral wren]

Oh man, pinned tier list sure needs an update

At the very least on hms

[shell helm]

forget to include the pic

[finite valve]

kgv should mid tbh

[sharp wing]

qe should mid as expendable meat shield

[finite valve]

also put aurora top and shef mid

[sharp wing]

[coral wren]

from what i saw kgv fleet might be even better than qe ws monarch

[shell helm]

wait aint aurora gonna explode ?

[sharp wing]

Sheff also expendable

aurora protecc

[finite valve]

sheff skill stay even after she dies?

[sharp wing]

ofc

[coral wren]

yes

[finite valve]

if that the case yeh keep aurora mid

[shell helm]

like this ?

[sharp wing]

qe and sheff both in same boat

[ionic magnet]

aurora dies fast and you'll lose a lot of vg fights

[sharp wing]

Buff and go die

[finite valve]

i was under the impression that sheff skill only active if she alive

if not then yeh just put aurora mid

[vague token]

nope

sheff is start of battle

[sharp wing]

sheff is perma buff

[vague token]

then forever

[coral wren]

Btw, hoo, any troubles against namaenty?

[ionic magnet]

well any namagi comps can make me reset tbh

but its usually just 1 or 2 resets so its fine

[odd schooner]

But isn't your monarch anti cv

[sharp wing]

antiloli

[shell heron]

"Hiryuu Killer"

[sharp wing]

[ionic magnet]

[shell helm]

when my monarch ready however who's the one i have to kick ?

[coral wren]

doy

[sharp wing]

dork

[ionic magnet]

qe

[vague token]

dork, but we still love her

[coral wren]

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

she's dumb but loveable

[shell helm]

aye thunks

[coral wren]

doy is love doy is life?

[finite valve]

wait ain't that qe?

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

qe needs better base art xD

can we get the queen's orders artist to redo her art ;)

[sharp wing]

qe need commit unlife

[finite valve]

between qe and doy i would say qe is the dumb one

[ionic magnet]

doy is actually on par with ws dmg

[coral wren]

is she?

[sharp wing]

Doy is actually sheller

[vague token]

doy is stronger since cyaneko said that her shell buff lasts 6 seconds lol

because 🍝 code

[sharp wing]

1st shell

a stronk opening

[finite valve]

which will most likely always miss since VG > back line

fucking hell

[sharp wing]

and her barrage useless in pvp basically

[vague token]

it's free chip xD

[sharp wing]

It's not even a... "barrage"

chip..

hmm

chirp

[finite valve]

they only need to make an aux that prioritize back line

and all will be well

[sharp wing]

amd +50 acc aux

[shell helm]

friend of mine also HMS fiend he'd like to ask if leander[K]/suffy[K]/sheffy works too ? (his comp)

[sharp wing]

ohboi

[finite valve]

who's suffy?

[stark raft]

Suffy and Leander will not contribute much

[ionic magnet]

suffolk?

[shell helm]

suffolks

[sharp wing]

warsheeeeeeeeeep

[finite valve]

oh

eh useless shit

sub her out

[sharp wing]

well, if she didn't have light armor

[coral wren]

leander might be your choice if you struggle against torps

But from my experience she doesn't do much

[finite valve]

leander is doable

suffy is just meh

[ionic magnet]

rude theres no useless meido

[sharp wing]

leander is pure buffer

[shell helm]

i'll told him that (i'm gonna love to hear his response)

[finite valve]

if he is using that comp atm i doubt he played more than 2 months

[sharp wing]

I doubt he been at top 1k second week

[shell helm]

idk seems he not remember how long

thunks for the khelp anyways guys cheers

[sharp wing]

Hope dies last

[vague token]

ooh where'd this sip come from

amaaazing

[sharp wing]

Damn, i totally forgot about Kawaikaze

[finite valve]

i am going to LMFAO if i manage to get 12 bp before maint from farming siren alone lel

[sharp wing]

why you farm sirens alone

in the 1st place

[ionic magnet]

[sharp wing]

boss droprate is almost 1:10

[finite valve]

cus my boss drop has been shit since start

[sharp wing]

[finite valve]

i already did from start till end of event

[sharp wing]

most my drops are boss x2

[finite valve]

this is the first day i do siren only

[sharp wing]

1st and last

[finite valve]

[sharp wing]

[finite valve]

rush mode ON

[shell helm]

Rush B

[sharp wing]

all night

Rush D

2

[finite valve]

well even if i don't got enough for another gun it is still there for rerun

so win win either way

[sharp wing]

At least i can by some... boxes...

[vague token]

my only drops are from boss X_x

[finite valve]

[ionic magnet]

so fast already got heavy sandbaggers
noone moving since reset

[finite valve]

last day of event so everyone is on rush mode lel

no 1 got time for pvp

[sharp wing]

tbh most ppl who farmed are burnt out

[dusk bridge]

i just used all my matches if anyone had me on the list

[sharp wing]

[dusk bridge]

cant be bothered to snipe tonight so i just pushed to avoid forgetting my matches

[vague token]

xD

[ionic magnet]

yea most ppl are on rest mode not rush mode

[sharp wing]

I keep fogetting to switch out my ASW gear on my hms botes

[finite valve]

weakling

i farm till i drop death

[sharp wing]

nep farm everywhere

low luck botes have such drastical survivability reduction in pve

[vague token]

just give her the kizuna item ;)

[sharp wing]

compared to same stat high luck bote

[ionic magnet]

who are you testing with?

[sharp wing]

It's just from overall experience

Like helena

[ionic magnet]

i see

[sharp wing]

i'm running ajax and leander atm

ajax has almost double luck

[ionic magnet]

tbh i noticed that also with z23 vs laffey

[sharp wing]

leander goes to 1/3 hp after sirens

ajax to 2/3

[stark raft]

Something to test on

[ionic magnet]

youd expect laffey should be tankier with her eva skill but no

[sharp wing]

lol

[vague token]

why aurora in that

no kgv

xD

[ionic magnet]

2x 70%

[sharp wing]

And hood misses 2/3 pellets

and has no gun damage

[ionic magnet]

not sure why aurora tho

[stark raft]

They got murdered by kgv

[coral wren]

aurora is there to win vg vs vg fight

[ionic magnet]

yea thats the idea but most of the time she dies before you even get the chance to hit vg with shitty BB targetting

[sharp wing]

aurora offtank probably lasted 10 sec

[coral wren]

that's why you don't run hood with monarch 😄

[ionic magnet]

and aurora for juneau is just

[stark raft]

Their VG aint winning against Jun and thicc nep

[coral wren]

i think you either run nep or aur

[stark raft]

[vague token]

if you want to win vg fight you need a DPS CA

or torp memes

lol

[ionic magnet]

hows nep dmg btw? yours is dev30 yea? @stark raft

[stark raft]

Dev 27 and her dmg is hit or miss

[ionic magnet]

but its atleast better than ykkz/jun?

[sharp wing]

ykkx has very high damage due to her op torps

wdym

[stark raft]

nanoda is top if her torps hit

either way my VG just finishes off burning ships hit by KGV

[sharp wing]

an d her barrage torps hit main for 500

[ionic magnet]

hmm i see

was expecting more

[vague token]

ykk hits 10k+ by virtue of Not Dying

[sharp wing]

constant 10k+

[vague token]

[ionic magnet]

oh right ykkz is still last ship standing or its nep?

[sharp wing]

if she torps main it's much more

she can basically finish off 1/3-half hp main bote

[vague token]

although for me specifically, she often launches rainbow quints with escort bonus

from sara

[ionic magnet]

sara

[vague token]

gotta boost those vg numbers ;)

[sharp wing]

Gotta love legal lolies

magical girl Sara nee-san

[vague token]

i mean she's smol but she doesnt look as young as like the starter destroyers

[sharp wing]

well, her event skin does

[vague token]

although it might be because im still using the hibiscus skin

[sharp wing]

somewhat

that's why she is legal

[vague token]

[ionic magnet]

is qe legal also?

she looks old af

[sharp wing]

Cops might not stop you

[ionic magnet]

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

QE is just... gnome

[vague token]

also sara is a bit thiccer in the kizuna skin

transformation power

just a bit

[sharp wing]

Her retro is pretty thiccer

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

yeah xD

[stark raft]

https://imgur.com/a/SkZj3Ua

[sharp wing]

KGV legs vs Mona legs

[stark raft]

It's like 50/50 on who takes VG top dmg

[ionic magnet]

i see

so p much the same dmg as bel but nep is thiccer

[sharp wing]

"thiccer"

[vague token]

i mean they have a similar style gun skill

just more damage on AP

[ionic magnet]

[stark raft]

Nep is good for finishing off burning VG

Bel is better for reigniting

[sharp wing]

Bel yeets

[stark raft]

KGV aiming for VG

[vague token]

xD

[sharp wing]

That's not even "HMS" fleet

might as well put amagi instead hood

lol

[coral wren]

hms has some interesting choices, but i think it's best to find out which one has the highest wr against namaryuu

[ionic magnet]

kgv shots can get really weird
she fires 4 shots right?
sometimes her 2 shots aim vg and 2 shots aim backline

[stark raft]

Your Queen has arrived

I prefer hood just to makes fights faster but QE is decent as well

[vague token]

i mean, 2 and 2 sounds like an equal weight for all ships

so seems fine?

[sharp wing]

I mean, putting hood in non qe fleet, just put Amagi, lol

+100% effectiveness

[stark raft]

KGV needs 3 HMS wdym

[ionic magnet]

yea its just funny seeing salvo shots split kek

[vague token]

she went to the same gunnery school as sara

obviously

;)

[sharp wing]

lol

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

(and lexington)

[sharp wing]

I hope sara don't shoot her feet

Magically

[vague token]

but hey sometimes sara guns execute ships so that's nice

they do like 250 or so on backlines

other times she misses all 6 shots on the hiryuu with 1 hp

[stark raft]

Hood fights are faster, QE means Nep lives longer

KGV nukes VG all the same

I accidentally killed him

[ionic magnet]

lol rip

[vague token]

oof

im really enjoying the fact that vg/comet/comet/rwg/beaver sara can still mvp

because against stall the fight goes so long her dots get all the damage in

xD

[stark raft]

Yeah KGV dmg is mostly burns and that meaty barrage

[ionic magnet]

monarch + ws barrage are fun to watch cos they shoot at the same time
hiryuu goes from 100% to 25% hp or even trigger final planes if you get lucky salvos

[vague token]

xD

[ionic magnet]

ill prolly stick with this comp kgv monarch ws

[stark raft]

I use my hood to proc hiryuu

[sharp wing]

The thing that fights takes so long for sara DoTs to make MVP already bothering me

[stark raft]

if KGV procs as well its guranteed final counter

[vague token]

i mean people using belfast/juneau/ykk makes it go long

unless i get like 3x big sevened

it's fine

xD

plus sara gets to throw around her ehp with radar/beaver

[shy hazel]

ppl starting to complain in game feed

about droprates

i say its their fault

we prepared for this for a long time

since we knew it would happen from jp

[ionic magnet]

took them this long to complain?

[finite valve]

lol just from the fact that most ppl only got an average of 2 ~ 3 guns just show how bad the drop are

[shy hazel]

we knew its bad anyways

[finite valve]

yes but the casual won't

[shy hazel]

thats why ppl kept 50k oil above

in mail

[finite valve]

also f2p exist

[stark raft]

Ppl didnt learn from vdir

[shy hazel]

[finite valve]

cranes drop are just so so tbh

and even then cranes rate are actually better even with 2 SR drop

not to mention no siren

[shy hazel]

vdir planes also had the same droprate

u can say

unique gold bps drop harder

than common gold bps u find in story map too

i farmed bofors on multiple events easily

with better droprate

[coral wren]

Casuals don't spend money for trade license so it's natural they are struggling with this grindy events

[vague token]

i had plenty of oil stocked up

still dont have a 2nd gun

xD

[coral wren]

same

[finite valve]

still doesn't justify bad drop rate either way

[shy hazel]

license gives v little oil anyways

[vague token]

although really 1:1 + 1:1 doesnt even eat up that much oil anyways

like spending <200 oil per run is easy lol

[finite valve]

well the next question would be how lucky are you

[vague token]

not very

[finite valve]

since bad luck exist

[vague token]

11/15 ;)

[coral wren]

but unfortunately unless cn/jp complains as well, they won't change droprate

[shy hazel]

[finite valve]

tfw no one in CN JP did farm the original event

[stark raft]

CN/JP are used to heavy grinds

[finite valve]

so ofc they won't complain

[vague token]

and... finished monarch build

xD

[finite valve]

they miss out a whole event for no gun

[shy hazel]

what

jap had the original event

[vague token]

guess ill do roon next

[finite valve]

they don't?

[shy hazel]

ever since en started jap players said to keep oil for inevitable

iris event

[finite valve]

eh i did say original right?

[shy hazel]

jp had original iris what

[finite valve]

they don't or do?

[shy hazel]

they do

thats why they got rerun rn

[finite valve]

well yes but my point is that the original event most ppl didn't farm the gun

[shy hazel]

no lol they did

[elder crane]

well not the more casuals

[shy hazel]

they just dont complain

on droprates

[elder crane]

EN everyone who plays a good amount farmed the gun

[coral wren]

and all that effort will be wasted if pr3 brings a better gun

[shy hazel]

jp doesnt have much channel unlike Entitled

they dont have official discord

[elder crane]

on CN JP since it was first release it took awhile for the memo to get out

that the new gun was really good

ofc everyone serious knew immediately
but the people in-between those and those too casual to farm didn't

[shy hazel]

top players farmed like hell

[ionic magnet]

grinding is fine but what can you do if you cant even grind cos of oils

[elder crane]

yeah but only those ppl

[shy hazel]

see rime got 8 guns

in cn

[elder crane]

here in EN the semi-casuals are farming too

cause the memo on the gun got out far in advance

everyone knows it's a really good gun

hence you'll see more complaining by virtue of volume

[ionic magnet]

i really wish they add some more oil income

[stark raft]

I started during CE and knew about baguette gun

just from ingame chat / discord

[finite valve]

problem with the farm is that

1. bad luck exist
2. f2p exist

[elder crane]

yeah, from months in advance possibly

[shy hazel]

just oil overflow

[finite valve]

just knowing that the gun exist does not help if you don't have the oil or luck to get it

[shy hazel]

alot of decent f2p players did just that

[stark raft]

the F2P can also save maintenance oil

[elder crane]

JP and CN had like 1/2 day warning on it from dataminers

hence EN will have a larger proportion that tried to farm the gun

and a larger propotion especially of semi-casual/semi-serious, who will be the most salty about it imo

[finite valve]

just take a look at #trophy-room and you will know how salty ppl are

lel

i count average of 2 ~ 3 guns per person

[elder crane]

us more serious will be somewhat salty too ofc
but we know how bad it is and so aren't quite salty to the same level, imo

[ionic magnet]

that gun is overrated anyways so

[finite valve]

not counting those that manage to score 5+ from EX rank luck

[shell heron]

though EN knew about this long before the event came out. some of us saved a large stack of maintenance oil to farm it

[elder crane]

100k oil used and 43 prints farmed on my end

[shell heron]

RNG on the other hand

[finite valve]

is not overrated if everyone and their mothers all said that the gun is BiS

[ionic magnet]

yea but the difference between this so called BiS the second BiS is small

[stark raft]

Yeah BiS for my hood aux

[finite valve]

yep

just a matter of min max

but the flex you can dish out tho

gotta flex those muscle

[ionic magnet]

[finite valve]

still can't believe ppl manage to farm 10 of them

madlad

[elder crane]

depends on your measure of small really

[ionic magnet]

is that agito

i wonder how many he got

[finite valve]

[shy hazel]

60k oil 46bps

[ionic magnet]

he's almost like a bot
always increasing in event pts when i check ladder

[elder crane]

grr I used almost twice yours and less bps
although I used pretty inefficient teams to level ships

[shy hazel]

maybe multi owner accnt

[vague token]

68k oil on the event tab, 11/15

[elder crane]

still have 10k mail oil left so not really an issue

[vague token]

;)

[shell heron]

I had to choose, efficient bp farming or work on PR ships

[shy hazel]

kiro

[shell heron]

I picked farming

[shy hazel]

u know u do 3;3 fleets

[elder crane]

I chose PR and leveling ships

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

lol no

[finite valve]

PR farm is best in campaign either way

[vague token]

i was doing 1:1 for a while

[finite valve]

there are other event to farm on

[shy hazel]

i finished all prs

[elder crane]

well I had the oil to burn so w/e

[finite valve]

iris is too worth while to farm PR

[vague token]

just like biscuit/phoenix and dork/whoever with air radar stacking for aa requirement

[stark raft]

I think i might finish izumo before roon

[elder crane]

you just stack the fleet more and it's just more oil

[finite valve]

@shy hazel but are they all dev 30 is the question

[elder crane]

no slower/fewer clears

[finite valve]

[shy hazel]

less things to spend gold on

[finite valve]

got 100k

[shy hazel]

no strings to worry about

[finite valve]

hope it is enough for those subs

zzz

[elder crane]

I had like 0 motivation to farm over this event

thank god event clearing mode is easy to run

[ionic magnet]

still no info on those new subs right?

[finite valve]

no

[shy hazel]

theyre subs anyways

[finite valve]

since it is not even maint yet

[elder crane]

Just their rates
which are normal ones

the sub map movement seems interesting
maybe makes sub hunting range/patterns mostly 0 effect?

depends on how the repositioning works in detail

[finite valve]

cost oil =

[stark raft]

I hope level 1 surcouf can solo the sub daily

[elder crane]

all those ppl who raised subs to get unique hunting ranges are probably sad

[finite valve]

also the oil cost scale depend on how far they move

[elder crane]

you need to kill ships for S rank so might be difficult

[finite valve]

2 kills

100 if you clear the map

and +10 if you manage to kill 1

S rank is 120

so 2 kills

[elder crane]

but also need to not get hit with a lv1 sub

[shy hazel]

what if the daily is just like ths mini kms event

cant manual

i mean

[ionic magnet]

thanks to the kms border i have lv 70 subs to roll

[shy hazel]

cant auto

[elder crane]

since it's -15 for "heavily damaged"

[shy hazel]

[finite valve]

lel don't be lazy bro

is just 2 min fight right?

don't remember the time limit

[cerulean estuary]

its not a problem if thers a leave battle / reset do they?

[elder crane]

what do you mean by that?

[cerulean estuary]

the sub mission

[elder crane]

sure but wastes time

[finite valve]

you only lost tries if you win the map

lost = nothing happen

[elder crane]

well you lose oil and affection morale (wtf that derp )

[finite valve]

just be grateful we don't have perma death

[cerulean estuary]

i havent touch my sos in 2 months lol

and im not building on sub event later

[finite valve]

imagine the horror

[elder crane]

also exiting is only 1 oil per ship while losing is the full cost

just slap two oxytorps

should be enough

[coral wren]

That would make game more exciting

[stark raft]

you don't sink a ship unless you intended to

you let them rest on taiha

[elder crane]

"exciting", sure.....

[stark raft]

you can overwork the Yamato class tho

[coral wren]

well, if you have to spend time gold and oil to repair the sunk ship

why not

[finite valve]

another thing worth mentioning is that you can get extra ammo from torp

dk if you get +1 or +2 tho

[elder crane]

it's probs calced from ship power

[finite valve]

since sub use 2

[elder crane]

since they said aux also affects it

so just run double oxytorp and a +10 gold gun

[shy hazel]

your event only ship gets permadeath

[finite valve]

insult to injury

[shy hazel]

collection also gets reduced every permadeath

[ionic magnet]

whats junie's use then 👀

[finite valve]

[coral wren]

injury system would be interesting to see

[finite valve]

for pvp?

[shy hazel]

u farm 30 juns to 120

[elder crane]

1 time use jun

[finite valve]

since i doubt you want jesus to die in pve

[ionic magnet]

lul

[stark raft]

Junie wont die unless in taiha condition

[vague token]

o.O

[elder crane]

Jun skill then adds, "won't ever sink"

[shy hazel]

nom refundable oath ring

skin is lost at permadeath

[coral wren]

eh, dunno. In pvp probably not

[shy hazel]

leggo suggest permadeath now

[elder crane]

PvP and EX probs won't implement

[coral wren]

It's exercises, not a battle to death

[stark raft]

Kinda miss the "damaged" skins tbh

aka the nsfw ones

[coral wren]

unless you want to go full realistic mode with having a 10% chance of accidently killing a bote

[ionic magnet]

aka superior skins

[elder crane]

Porter skill: "+X% to actually kill in PvP"

[coral wren]

😄

[elder crane]

for maximum troll strat

[coral wren]

new meta

maximum disrespect fleets

[elder crane]

add in new equip: has effect, will leave enemies at 1 HP instead if would kill
I think you see the potential

[coral wren]

Lmao

[elder crane]

but yeah ofc it'll never happen

[coral wren]

equip that adds the effect that steals quartz from the enemy's account if 1 ship gets sunk

[ionic magnet]

or a gun that prevents any healing

would be cool

[finite valve]

somehow this just turn into a discussion of turning a pve game into a pvp focus game

[ionic magnet]

quartz

[shy hazel]

anyways i still find ppl at gamefeed funny

[elder crane]

yo wtf I just found out I got 5 prints the past hour

ahh, good ole RNG

[coral wren]

my bad, what a terrible habbit

[shy hazel]

Entitled indeed

[elder crane]

right after a whole day without

[coral wren]

you saw nothing

About healing reduction, if the upcoming chapter will be having selfhealing enemies, why not

[finite valve]

anyone know how long the battle pass (or what the fuck it is called) of past event goes for?

[coral wren]

siren's repair vessels

[shy hazel]

battle pass

whats that

[finite valve]

cranes event will not have a rerun anymore since they add it into a normal map right?

you need a key to enter the map

[shy hazel]

a no

[finite valve]

so i am asking how long does the map open

[shy hazel]

its daily 30mins

iirc

[finite valve]

30 mins for 1 key?

[elder crane]

something like that
one per day gained

[shy hazel]

no key

u can just do past event fir 30mins

a day

[finite valve]

yeh i know about that mechanic

was asking about how long it will open

[shy hazel]

if u mean the feature its perma

[finite valve]

no like when you use a key to enter the map

how long will it open until you need another key to enter

[shy hazel]

forgot alrdy i never touched it in jp

that tine only vdir was there

[finite valve]

you will if they add iris in the pool

admit it

[shy hazel]

already got fw now

anf wc

[finite valve]

[elder crane]

well ofc but Iris won't be added anytime soon

they so far have added only the really old events

[shy hazel]

we still have rerun to do anyways

[finite valve]

the only event worth it for EN is FW

and chess board for another quint mag

rest are meh

[elder crane]

https://azurlane.wikiru.jp/index.php?��������

so you click a button every day for a kep
can hold 30
each opens for 15min

can keep map open for full 12H though

if you can complete a run in 15 mins you can run again, basically

(or 2 runs and 3 times, etc.)

[finite valve]

just siren farm tbh

[elder crane]

full clear for the last one at least

[finite valve]

yep

siren farm for 14 min 50s

last run full clear

[elder crane]

"It is announced that the drop does not change, but other settings may change.
In the case of red dye, the required number of battles on one stage has increased significantly . At the time of normal A1, it has increased from 3 fleets → 5 fleets until boss appearances, and 4 fleets → 6 fleets in A3"
uh oh

[finite valve]

not like cranes got anything worth farming

same as WC

[elder crane]

or Z force
Spee has the magtorps at least but no purple parts afaik so still 🚮

[finite valve]

the only map i see worth farming is chess board d1 for quad mag and iris d2 for frog gun

[shy hazel]

imagine farming mle

15minutes etime

1bp eweek if u lucky

[finite valve]

better than nothing

[elder crane]

well 1 bp/wk should be about average, maybe even below actually, assuming you do one siren-only and one full clear

[shy hazel]

just wait for pr3

rainbow dd gun

[coral wren]

that's a lot of waiting

[shy hazel]

1~2 years

if u still playing

[vague token]

heck we might have AL 2 by then ;)

[shy hazel]

nope

in 2 years al code is still spaghetti

and devs are now grilled potatoes

[vague token]

what, not baked potatoes? =/

im out

jk

we will still be there complaining about yamato/amagi/x ;)

and juneau kai made her even more op

[elder crane]

Huh, Yamagi rolls off the tongue better imo

[vague token]

[shy hazel]

yukikaze kai

[coral wren]

amagi kai

ok, time to push i guess

[shy hazel]

not a single 120

[ionic magnet]

Luv U Takao

[coral wren]

[wide stratus]

Ignoring the more trash back row I have, I currently have: Enterprise, Yorktown, Sara Kai, SoDak, Hoody, Massa (three of them), Jean Bart, Renown, Unicorn, Lusty, Pedo Royal, Warspite, Yama, Dunky (I know some of these are also trash but I hear people like them so yeah).

What should I compose a viable PvP back row as. Right now I’m running Enty, York, Sara for the carrier meme but I just can’t beat half the people at colonel rank and it’s bugging me

[coral wren]

No washy?

could make a classic wasde

[shy hazel]

all of those u mentioned are alrdy subpar so

[wide stratus]

I joined after Fallen Wings much to my permanent sadness

[shy hazel]

your choice

[coral wren]

You have hood and ws tho, could also grind for qe and make a classic hms

[shy hazel]

is to go hms

[coral wren]

one of us! one of us!

[shy hazel]

no other way

[wide stratus]

I do have QE but I heard she got booted from meta

So I didn’t mention her

[coral wren]

not completely

[shy hazel]

go build monarch asap

[crisp sage]

I heard Jean Beat has pvp potential, but don't wanna just outright recommend her.

[shy hazel]

qe is shit but u have no choice but to use that shit

[wide stratus]

I don’t have any HMS vanguards leveled because I’ve been grinding Saint Louis though

[crisp sage]

Enterprise and Hood are still viable for backline use.

[shy hazel]

go monarch

monarch is still the best pr1 ship

pvp wise pve wise

cost wise

to some people

thigh wise

[finite valve]

cost wise she ain't the best tho

[shy hazel]

monarch is competent at dev 25 for pve

others not really

[crisp sage]

@wide stratus Honestly, if you want a viable PVP backrow starter pack, farm for the fox twins at 3-4, Akagi and Kaga.

[shy hazel]

foxes without amagi or nagato is