pvp

[vague token]

xD

[ionic magnet]

ah by levelling, i meant farming affection

my ykkz still at 180 lol

[vague token]

oof

at least ykk does damage

[shell heron]

My Junie just hit 150. I don't wanna farm low chapters for MVP grinding

[ionic magnet]

i used the 1:1 affection farming on w1 only once

and its for junie

[vague token]

xD

[finite valve]

200 jesus is too meme for my taste

[shell heron]

trying to max Junie out for PvP is

though she sometimes snag MVP on 7-2

[vague token]

o.o

[ionic magnet]

gotta max that fleet power

[shell heron]

funny how I'm trying to make her more unkillable when she sometimes outlive ykk

[vague token]

wat

[ionic magnet]

wat

[vague token]

how do you get juneau to outlive ykk lol

[shell heron]

you mean you never seen her as the last remaining VG?

[vague token]

personally, no

ive seen others

with screenshots

[ionic magnet]

well rarely

[finite valve]

sometimes that happen for me

[vague token]

but i also use pearl/boiler so

she's made of paper

[ionic magnet]

when ykkz get torped so bad kek

[shell heron]

when ykk eats a whole wave of preloaded torps

[ionic magnet]

but thats like 1 in 20 or maybe 1 in 50 fights

[coral wren]

[shell heron]

not often, but it does happen

[ionic magnet]

meanwhile its the first time i crossed 400 aux plates

[finite valve]

i

j

u

s

t

oh shit

[vague token]

lol

[ionic magnet]

?

[finite valve]

macro enter

so it auto enter all my word

[vague token]

dirty macro user jk

[ionic magnet]

LOL

[finite valve]

[sharp wing]

savage

[vague token]

[finite valve]

well as for aux shit i just switch around stuff

[modern tree]

I used to have a lot of aux plates, but then I had 4 +10 oxytorps

[finite valve]

lel

for sub or meme?

[sharp wing]

I only got 2 and i never use

[modern tree]

It's for subs, and Vampire/Javelin ocasionally

[sharp wing]

i have 5.4k core

[finite valve]

even if for sub i would say 3 is good enough already

unless you want to use 2 fleet

then 6

[sharp wing]

2 fleet subs

ch14

[finite valve]

[vague token]

ugh we gotta grind 3 more subs jk

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

Dax: already 120 all of the subs in the game

[modern tree]

you use 6 oxytorps for one sub fleet, what

[vague token]

;)

[modern tree]

all subs care about is fleet power

[sharp wing]

well, not like you use 2 oxy on all subs

[finite valve]

wasted slot

[modern tree]

?????????

[finite valve]

since they benefit more from O2 tank

[vague token]

o2 tank is longer dive time?

[sharp wing]

ye

[vague token]

double autoloader surcouf pewpew

jk

[modern tree]

You guys actually think subs are for calling into battle, looool

[stark raft]

just let them hunt

why you wasting oil

[sharp wing]

after they 120 sure

[modern tree]

you use 6 oxy to consistently hit -20% and afk

[vague token]

i use auto sub

xD

[finite valve]

i got 0 SR sub in my dock

[sharp wing]

wish they get exp from auto

[finite valve]

still missing the fucking aber

someone kill me

[sharp wing]

and i got only 4 elite subs

[vague token]

auto sub does give them exp

[finite valve]

wdym by auto?

like calling into battle?

[sharp wing]

surface attack

[vague token]

they added an Auto Sub button

[sharp wing]

That's not Auto...

[finite valve]

that's called into battle

[ionic magnet]

oh wrong calc im only using 201 oils per run

[vague token]

im confused what else auto sub would be

xD

[finite valve]

also auto sub is just basically called into battle

[sharp wing]

auto map attacking

[vague token]

i mean map attacks dont get xp

is that what you want?

[sharp wing]

that's what i said

[vague token]

oh ok

[finite valve]

map attack don't gain exp

wdym?

[vague token]

no he wants map attacks to give xp

[finite valve]

oh

[vague token]

despite there being 0 risk or interaction

;)

[sharp wing]

and 0 Oil

[finite valve]

too casual

what are you a fucking casual?

[vague token]

yes

i am casual

[sharp wing]

Just start battle for 10 oil, run around, retrreat

[finite valve]

maybe with sub rework

[sharp wing]

What you expect from ppl in casual waifu collector

[vague token]

it'd be nice if the boss was 100% guaranteed to be a sub tile

for dat xp

[finite valve]

no info on what this "sub rework" suppose to be tho

[vague token]

no

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

my auto sub suggestion was added

i got that put on trello and we got it

xD

[finite valve]

you sure is was your and not from CN JP?

[sharp wing]

Let it rot there

[vague token]

SHH

i was the first on EN trello

IM SPECIAL

[finite valve]

[ionic magnet]

btw what happened to that 15 min pvp reminder

that syanda talked about

[finite valve]

wonder how tf am i or anyone going to be able to 200 sub

[hot creek]

should I ring KGV? 🤔

[ionic magnet]

link me there please lol

[vague token]

i mean ring the waifus you like

[finite valve]

meh i just use alarm

[vague token]

dont ring for the stats

;)

[finite valve]

well i am lol

u 47 and i 13

[ionic magnet]

ring kgv no regrets

[finite valve]

sexy af

[ionic magnet]

[stark raft]

[finite valve]

same

[vague token]

/i ring 1 for me 1 for meta

[sharp wing]

Ring Surcoaf the big sub

[finite valve]

ring both kgv and biscuit

no regret

[vague token]

195 oil for a d2

i guess that's ok

im still leveling minne and biscuit

[finite valve]

going to be less if not for mile stone reward

[vague token]

which works for clearing

[finite valve]

[stark raft]

Got qe to 120

for the lads

[finite valve]

i think jb alone is enough if you have her at high enough lvl

skill lvl*

[vague token]

i mean that makes sense

xD

[sharp wing]

• 1 salvo limits mobs clearing capabilities

even if damage per shot stellar

[vague token]

i kinda expected georgia to be more like t.5 or t1 cause of her MGM is only +1

but i guess her barrage is beefy and base stats are godlike

since she is a pr

xD

[sharp wing]

Just embrace misery

[finite valve]

misery loves company

[stark raft]

rough day huh

[coral wren]

there is some weird fun farming d2 while using shit goofy equip like confetti gun

[vague token]

lol

[sharp wing]

And i lost a match

[finite valve]

that escalate quicly

[coral wren]

was it hooloovoo

[vague token]

big oof

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

hooloo isnt that bad if it's the hms fleet unless kgv instant kills your vanguard with her quad ;))))

but bluerendar has the luckiest (biased) nagato barrage procs

reee

[ionic magnet]

blue has the most godly ykkz too

[vague token]

xD

[sharp wing]

Blue pls RNGesus everyday

[vague token]

so weird having 4 move in events

[shell heron]

4 moves

I was hoping for 2 max

[sharp wing]

I have 5, cause i'm grinding Hyryuu soloflag

[vague token]

dork/juneau/ayayaya hits 4

xD

[sharp wing]

Does beaver affect map movement for calculation?

[vague token]

uh, it's a skill

so probably not

[sharp wing]

well

[vague token]

like it doesnt change the speed stat outside of a fight i think?

i dunno

al has weird rules

[sharp wing]

Rules? What rules

[vague token]

[vague token]

[hot creek]

honestly feeling so lazy

might even stop at one DD gun

[sharp wing]

Same tbh

[hot creek]

feeliing so lazy maybe Ill just quit the game

[sharp wing]

Gota feed waifus

[hot creek]

tbh the only thing hold me over atm is that I wanna dev 30 Neptune/Monarch and I wanna max Centaur

[ionic magnet]

im not lazy but my oils want me to stay out of the game

[finite valve]

well you can sell or just give the acc to another dege

[sharp wing]

[coral wren]

Then he realizes it's just drawings from different artists who did it for money with pre-recorded voice

[sharp wing]

Then he goes to next gacha with same artists and CVs

And this accursed cycle never ends

[coral wren]

I looked into ak and reviews are horrendous. Fgo clone at it's finest

[hot creek]

I already started playing FGO

[sharp wing]

ohboi

i quit fgo 2 times

[hot creek]

nah I'm just gonna roll for summer Nero and then quit

[sharp wing]

can't manual that much lol

[nova tree]

so why do you guys use 127mm instead of belgun on Juneau? Is it for fire starting/refreshing?

[vagrant veldt]

DD guns have higher DPS

[hot creek]

wait, so is Nepgun as secondary on BBs bugged? lol

[ionic magnet]

wdym by bugged?

[hot creek]

I just remembered people saying it was wonky

im trying it on Bismarck finally and it does look kinda off

[elder crane]

@sharp wing
In case you haven't figured out yet, Beaver effect is in-battle only

as is Louis Speed Boost, etc.

idk it seems fine to me
the shot pattern is wonky though, but that's intended

[ionic magnet]

i dont really notice how it fires but it hits just fine

[elder crane]

instead of a fixed spread the spread on Nepgun is RNG

and so the pattern looks very wonky

[nova tree]

oh nepgun is the PR AP CA gun right?

[elder crane]

this also means that it's possible for RNG to screw you and have Nepgun completely miss a suicide boat

yep, that's it

[ionic magnet]

nepgun is triple 152mm

CL gun

[elder crane]

gold triple 152

[nova tree]

i keep thinking nep from neptunia

[elder crane]

the spread on Nepgun is at about the perfect balance imo for general use overall

not so spread out that you don't reliably hit multiple shots on a target

spread enough that it doesn't fully miss most moving targets (at least in PvE, ofc PvP is different)

just the wonky spread mechanics, but that's rarely an issue

[vagrant veldt]

would be better if there was no spread like the tbtskc

[vague token]

non random spread? is this csgo?

xD

[vagrant veldt]

increase the sigma

[elder crane]

ehh tbtsk spread means it always misses stuff that is moving with any speed, as a secondary
and the spread is tight enough that as a main gun it's not a big issue

non-random spread though would probably still be an upgrade

[vagrant veldt]

152 misses the target much more often than tbtskc on Bismarck

if just as a normal aux, tbtskc would be worse because of 2x2

[sharp wing]

Floatplane best secondary

I'm waiting for BBV that will replace MG with 9-12 floatplanes and keep aux

[elder crane]

and then when the target is moving with any speed, tbtsk will miss every shot - it's not just the 2x2 that's an issue
it's a trade-off

[vagrant veldt]

bismarck can take out bomb boats with tbtskc

[elder crane]

heck even for vanguard if I'm border-hugging vs a boss that is always in motion I prefer the 155 over the tbtst

hmm, even the fastest bomb boats if they come in at the edge?
maybe the angle Bis range provides helps with that, tbf I haven't tested tbtsk on her

but on normal-sec CL BBs, tbtsk misses some bomb boats entirely for me

[sharp wing]

I like scatterguns on BiS Triple 152 HE

full screen pew-pew

Tho us 152 scatters are still lock-on, new 152 is true scatter w/ no lock on

but smaller volume

[steep fog]

any complete 🥖 DD gun yet

[vague token]

not even cyaneko has one yet

xD

[sharp wing]

he's not ahead tho

there ppl with like 10 bps already

[shell heron]

you mean other then the shop one? 6/15 myself

[vague token]

[steep fog]

im 13/15

[shell heron]

no real time to farm today so doing it tonight

anyone tried it on Junie yet? I tried, but don't see a big enough difference to stop using the 127

[vague token]

juneau has bad firepower and loses more fp when her aa skill procs

xD

id rather use it on others before her

[shell heron]

figured, the extra AA from the 127 might do more work

[sharp wing]

Boosting 400+ stat does little work, boosting her Fp actually gives much more effect, but anyway, it's pretty useless

overall there no potential noticeable difference on Junie

[midnight heron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/516951413411020819/594102994988171265/unknown.png well dis was my first pvp when using baguette on juneau vs nakaga + jint/sen/yuki

i'm 99% sure its an outlier but still funny af

[sharp wing]

Well, i will try it on Junie once i get plates to =10 it

[shell heron]

I should keep record on matches with the baguette gun and some without. compare dmgs

[sharp wing]

Well, without she usually 11-12k

comparable to other vgs on general

few k less

I frankly dunno how yukie ever goes below 12k on normal pvp match

[vague token]

riggeeddd jk

(dont hurt me plz)

[sharp wing]

[elder crane]

huh, looks like you faced an Akaga/other CV team with subpar planes and/or no droptank?

cause I see a fair number of plane kills there, and not just from Juneau

[midnight heron]

wud be nice if u cud inspect opponent gear to be sure

[sharp wing]

That's not that kind of pvp focused game

[midnight heron]

[finite valve]

any comment on big mama?

good or just another meme like biscuit?

[shell heron]

USS meta has been over, don't think we'll go back to it for a while.

But it would be interesting to see how WASD with mama does

[finite valve]

was not talking about pvp tho

[vague token]

biscuit is better than big mama

[finite valve]

what about as a general use BB tho?

the buff might be good

dk about her shell tho

[vague token]

i mean, you need a lot of eagle bbs

or CAs

muh oil

also note that there are a TON of light armor bosses

so you lose damage on em

xD

[finite valve]

not helping that her chibi is trash

unlike kgv

yeh going to just max her in dorm

[sharp wing]

Dunk is real moma tho

[finite valve]

still trash

nice skin but still trash nontheless

dk if i should waste a ring just cus

[sharp wing]

Dunk is bae

[finite valve]

missing the point

[sharp wing]

being BC makes her even worse

[ionic magnet]

dunk saves lives

[sharp wing]

Dunk is jsut for housewife secretary job

[midnight heron]

u cant miss the point if only the round stuff matters

[sharp wing]

waifu for laifu

[ionic magnet]

still waiting for her new skin tweet

[finite valve]

not helping that she masturbates right in your fucking face

[sharp wing]

her skin prolly will be on rerun

[finite valve]

like how fucking thirsty can 1 boat get?

[ionic magnet]

no p sure they will release that new one this week

[sharp wing]

hmm

[ionic magnet]

they already announced le mars and forbin new skins

[sharp wing]

I still haven't bought l2d might get that one

cause it's pretty

[ionic magnet]

get both

[sharp wing]

[ionic magnet]

[sharp wing]

1 for jiggle 1 for looks

[finite valve]

pretty sure the only reason why they even delay the release is cus ppl in here are asking where tf are the rerun skins

[ionic magnet]

yea pick a waifu that can do both kek

[finite valve]

they let sirius slide once

[vague token]

[finite valve]

ain't going to happen another time

[sharp wing]

Siri L2D

[ionic magnet]

yea maybe

so many peeps complaining

[sharp wing]

Well, JP got Siri L2D with perma pool

[finite valve]

well the devs are lying through their teeth

write a public letter

procee to ignore it

lel

[sharp wing]

ohboi

[vague token]

someday ill try kizuna bb in pvp

but that is a far off day

[sharp wing]

She's good candidate for shell

[vague token]

yeah and she has evasion self buff

[sharp wing]

• crit chance + acc

[vague token]

probably one of the better rudder/shell users

since she boosts both

[sharp wing]

yeah

her 120 eva is real trash tho

same as acc

buffs merely even her w/ other bbs

[vague token]

yeah, she needs the gear to work =/

[sharp wing]

I mean, she has almost 0 100-120 growth

[lament lichen]

Hmm i should try out the triple 381mm on nagato

[sharp wing]

same as Kizu CA

[vague token]

yeah

[sharp wing]

They are op on 100 but trash at 120

Who tf designed them

[vague token]

on purpose

[sharp wing]

They probably were okayish at 110, but 120 they just fall down down down

[vague token]

like nep collab

to make sure collabs are all sad

;)

[sharp wing]

To make ppl who wasted cubes and gems on em feel miserable

since they don't even count towards collection %

and useless in game

[vagrant veldt]

Neptune IP holders requested their characters to be weak

more like part of the colab terms

[sharp wing]

They are not weak, they are trash

[vague token]

that didnt come from yostar?

that's weird

[sharp wing]

lol

[vagrant veldt]

yostar had nothing to do with it

[sharp wing]

hmm

[vague token]

that's weird for ch/if to say that imo but w/e

[vagrant veldt]

they are just the publisher for EN JP

just japanese IP holders are weird

[midnight heron]

yostar shud change name to yowai /s

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

xD

[steep fog]

[vague token]

[steep fog]

22k oil for this

[vague token]

ooof

[sharp wing]

Some ppl are loved by RNGesus

[vague token]

i have 1 bp, 13.8k oil!

xD

[sharp wing]

I have 0 in around same

[vague token]

i havent had a ton of time to farm it

[sharp wing]

Well, i average get 4 event bps in 60k event points

[vague token]

i need soooo many X-x

all the gunboats

[sharp wing]

ah

well

Tbh I also need 1more 100mm

only got 2

never get to farming those

[vague token]

i have so many duck guns xD

[steep fog]

I got a ton of duck guns from box

[elder crane]

I've only 4 I think
and I use them on a looot of stuff so they're always in demand - for now

But Atlanta-class and Sirius are probs switching to 138 once I have copies of that, so maybe I won't be short anymore soon

[vague token]

is sandy better with 138?

doesnt kai retro barrage scale with anti air?

err aa

or is that not the case

xD

although i guess 100mm is fine since she has a good barrage even without aa scaling

[vagrant veldt]

use 138

almost unbroken stream of shells

[elder crane]

Yeah, Atlanta-class barrage is good enough currently for 100mm over the 127mm imo (Gun dps diff << Barrage DpS diff)

[vague token]

oh i meant vs 138

[elder crane]

iirc though on Sandykai with the higher gun eff and MGM+1 change the 100mm isn't even worth it over the 127 really

vs 138 the gun DpS diff is much larger, even relative to the Barrage DpS diff

[vague token]

i mean 100mm does fine damage on light

[elder crane]

I suspect that even looking at gun+barrage 138 wins out

[vague token]

and medium

xD

[vagrant veldt]

Sandy with and without 138 is two different ships

[elder crane]

and if 138 wins on gun+Barrage Dps, imo little reason to not preferentially use 138

well, that's an exaggeration

there's a significant and noticeable diff but it's not that large

[vagrant veldt]

but the experience is definitely better

[vague token]

i suppose sandy also has the advantage

of not reducing her firepower

xD

unlike the other two

[elder crane]

it's somewhere around a 20% "raw" gun DpS boost
which is very significant, but... not that huge
and you lose out on gun barrage count too, and the 138 pattern is worse

[vague token]

i guess id have to try sandy kai with both

[vagrant veldt]

is this 138 vs 127?

[vague token]

dunno, im only curious about 100 vs 138

since 127 is voided by 138

[vagrant veldt]

not like the minor reload difference will get another barrage out

[vague token]

they occupy the same damage strategy

100mm has good damage and good reload but limited to normal

[sharp wing]

100mm is for strong barrages

[vagrant veldt]

but the main guns have to be awful as well

[vague token]

oh i mean it still has 12 * 4

[vagrant veldt]

normal modifiers are terrible

[sharp wing]

normal not as bad on dd guns

[vague token]

uh they are similar minus heavy

[elder crane]

well the raw DpS on 100mm makes up for it

[sharp wing]

unless you face heavy

[vagrant veldt]

even medium takes a long time

[vague token]

like it's still 100, 50 vs 60, and 30

dd guns are never gonna do anything to heavy even with he

xD

[sharp wing]

Normal DD better vs light, than DD AP xd

[vague token]

dd ap is a joke

[elder crane]

DD normal isn't better vs med than DDHE, relative to their performances vs light

both lose half their damage

[sharp wing]

Normal DD only 10% below HE vs Med

[elder crane]

it's vs heavy that DD normal falls off a cliff

[vague token]

dd normal is mostly close enough to he against medium

like 50% vs 60%

[elder crane]

100->50 a 1/2 drop
120->60 also a 1/2 drop

[vague token]

is tiny

xD

[sharp wing]

Normal+ has same modifiers vs MEd as HE

[vague token]

uh

normal+ gun is 76mm

[elder crane]

100mm isn't normal+ iirc

[vague token]

dont count that

[sharp wing]

xD

[vague token]

_>

[sharp wing]

yeah it's just normal

normal guns faster reload makes up for a bit of lose

[elder crane]

but yeah, although 100 mm gets 100 vs 120 on light, it has almost 20% more pre-ammo-type DpS than twin127

same with twin 120mm

[sharp wing]

If we compare Ammo DPS of 120 vs 127 vs Med it almost same

[elder crane]

and so has only a teeny gun DpS drop vs both light and medium

[sharp wing]

tho 10% modifier diff

[elder crane]

which is why it's better on anything with a decent barrage, vs the twin127

[sharp wing]

well, 100mm is better w/ barrage

it has only very slightly less dps

[vague token]

before stats it's only 8 dps lower than mle xD

[sharp wing]

~1 dps diff

[elder crane]

that's what I mean
most DDs though have such weak barrages it's not worth still imo

[sharp wing]

But barrages spam way faster

[vague token]

i mean

[elder crane]

well also 5 less FP

[vague token]

there are a lot of trash ships

[sharp wing]

Also z23 preffer 100mm for FP procs

[elder crane]

and worse scaling with reload

erm, 8 dps is a loooot when your base is only 40

[sharp wing]

z46 perfect example of barrageboat with good gun stats, ideal for 100mm

[elder crane]

and that's also before the FP difference

[vague token]

yeah but not everyone can gun

destroyers have huge variance in ability

xD

[elder crane]

CL barrages both activate faster (with a DD gun) and are much more powerful than most DD barrages

since their power is scaled up to match the longer reloads of CL guns

[vague token]

well

[sharp wing]

and CLs have higher FP

[vague token]

sandy kai specifically though does readjust her barrage timing

[sharp wing]

well, usually

[analog hare]

any good for this AA ?

[elder crane]

that too, but FP doesn't change the gun-to-barrage ratio

[vague token]

so you're basically forced to use dd gun

[sharp wing]

that's 105 equivalent

[elder crane]

nah that's just a reskinned 105mm

[vague token]

xD

[sharp wing]

wish sendai class could use DD guns

those 5 wave barrages lmao

pewpewpewpewpew

[vague token]

i wish sheffield could use dd guns

[sharp wing]

Well, single 150 CL gun has prety low reload

[vague token]

sirius having dd guns is ok though

oh god

[sharp wing]

but no damage

[vague token]

waste of her main gun crit lol

[sharp wing]

eh

sheff

[vague token]

sheff is great

[sharp wing]

Well, crit + rapid fire guns is lit

[elder crane]

It's actually almost/is worth it on the Sendais still, if you ignore nepgun

[sharp wing]

yes, but imagine Dd guns on them

[vague token]

my nep gun is on phoenix

xD

[sharp wing]

dps + barrage

well for pve it sure is

[elder crane]

well barrage isn't targeted damage, so like with Nep, you need more stuff backing them up

Also it's not great vs most bosses for obvious reasons

[sharp wing]

well, their long barrage bound to hit something while they bump around

[vague token]

lol

[sharp wing]

vs bosses if you manual em it's also great

[elder crane]

You'd be surprised....

[sharp wing]

shotgunning that shit in the face

[vague token]

manual? ech

[elder crane]

If you can shotgun boss w/o dying, why are you manualing

[sharp wing]

wdym

[vague token]

[elder crane]

Imo has to be a pretty non-threatening map that you can afford to shotgun boss with Jint barrage
And in that case wtf are you manualing it then

[sharp wing]

it doesn't mean you have to ram boss

just stay middle on rather close distance

You take jint for torp shotgunning anyway

[elder crane]

Well given the amount of DpS most bosses output when you are close vs far, if you don't get chunked without protection it's a pretty easy map

[sharp wing]

So she will bound to be there at some point

[vague token]

i dont think ive used any sendai class in anything outside of torp daily

xD

[sharp wing]

lol

[vague token]

i never subscribed to torp memes

[elder crane]

You take protection for torp shotgunning, idk if it's worth wasting it on just a Sendai barrage

[sharp wing]

what

[elder crane]

And if you stack that much protection you're better off dropping excess and adding in another main fleet damager/other support

[sharp wing]

wtf you talking

[elder crane]

Okay, consideration is single 150 vs something better on Jintsuu
Since if you land a good chunk of barrage the trade is worth it

[sharp wing]

Ppl even use it on Nep

[elder crane]

I argued that it's not good vs boss since that scenario isn't really met

[sharp wing]

It's just extra source of damage

[elder crane]

Nep has a much more powerful barrage

And also it's not universal on Nep

SoloNep does not run single 150, for example

[sharp wing]

apparently

unless something lower lvl

where she can wipe screen barrage

[vague token]

[elder crane]

Vs something lower level you can run pretty much anything

Back to the point, Jint and bosses and single 150

[sharp wing]

Well, barraging overall ment for mobbing

[elder crane]

Now, you bring up that if you manual and shotgun Jint barrage, then it can be worth it

[sharp wing]

yeah, while you torp boss same time

or just bump around on middle line

not too far

[elder crane]

Erm, if you're at any distance Sendai Class barrage does not land many shots on a singular target

And if you can afford to be that close that often the boss is easy enough to not auto imo

Maaybe vs the multi-bosses

[sharp wing]

Maybe otherwise, easy enough To auto

[elder crane]

Oh right, whoops, typo

[sharp wing]

The bonus thing about 150 single for barraging is that it has 360 angle like DD guns

so you will reliably get barrages out of it close to reload

[elder crane]

Also means though barrage can proc without anything in arc to shoot at

Since most barrages are only forwards

[sharp wing]

her barrage has long 5 wave animation

it will hit

[vague token]

sendai class is super wide

like atlanta

i doubt it would miss

[elder crane]

Well if a ship is besides them it doesn't help

[sharp wing]

it not super wide

[vague token]

xD

[elder crane]

The width of it is less than the arc of standard CL guns anyways

[sharp wing]

it's still very reliable

[elder crane]

The single 150 isn't gonna be killing anything either

That's why I say single-150 needs supporting ships

[sharp wing]

it has 1/2 dps of tbsk

apparently it won't do much

[elder crane]

Sendais, the barrage and torps clear and something helps clean up

[sharp wing]

But her barrage goes of 2.3 times faster

w/ 150

[elder crane]

Neptune, similar

[sharp wing]

So it's significant damage advantage

losing half gun dps for more than double barrage dps

[elder crane]

Gun DpS though is always good, but Barrage DpS gets worse with the more % of the total DpS of team it is

[sharp wing]

Also due to 360 angle, it's not actually half dps lose

more like 1/3

[elder crane]

Don't forget about gun cd though

Single 150 doesn't fire twice as fast as tbtsk

[sharp wing]

1.38 vs 3.0 tbsk

[elder crane]

It's more like 1.8-1.9X the RoF

+0.28 global CD

And the raw reload is first scaled by ship reload stat

[sharp wing]

i compared barrage proc time based on gun reload

so it will be similar timing

tbsk also has volley time

[elder crane]

Ok, so single 150 fires about twice in time of tbtsk firing

[sharp wing]

well on papaer without global cd 1.38 vs 3.1

[elder crane]

Tbtsk then eats 0.28 CL global CD+0.1 VT

Single 150 eats 0.28 CL global CD twice

[sharp wing]

just calculate 8 shots time

and compare

[elder crane]

then you realize this delay is not scaled by ship reload
So overall single 150 fires less than twice that of tbtsk

[sharp wing]

tbsk initially more than 2 times slower

so reload won't change much

2.25 times slower

[elder crane]

1.66 vs 3.38 at 100 reload

including the CL gun global CD

[sharp wing]

ye

2 times

[vague token]

with jintsuu and sendai you should have a .74 multiplier

[elder crane]

Yeah but a higher proportion of single 150 reload time is fixed

Which means at the standard ~200 reload it's less than 2X

I'm on phone so I'm too lazy to redo calcs

[vague token]

i have a calc on one of my spreadsheets

just the reload part

(i made it for planes but it's a separate cell xD)

190 reload is like .83

[elder crane]

1.43 reload with global CD at 188 reload

2.88 reload with global CD and VT at 188 reload
So almost tipping point already

Iirc with the reload that Jint gets with her stats+buff it flips

[vague token]

[elder crane]

So single 150 on jint fires less than twice as fast as tbtsk (though I misremembered actual value, it's quite close to 2X)

[sharp wing]

http://p0.qhimg.com/t0119fa3ad339b3d094.gif

It's actually wide

[elder crane]

iirc you need to land about 1/2 the barrage for single 150 to be better than tbtsk

Which is mostly trivial on mobs, if you have someone on cleanup duty

[sharp wing]

on mobs it lands everywhere

[elder crane]

Well without support single-150 tends to let mobs pull up beside vanguard

And then your barrage is hitting nothing

[vague token]

just run biscuit backline

xD

always helped ;)

[elder crane]

Yeah, Bis does double duty there

The best friend to vanguards that have trouble cleaning up stuff

[sharp wing]

150 actually hits mobs outside that shitty 120 CL angle, so actually it helps to prevent sidemobs to escape

[elder crane]

The DpS though is low enough to be an issue

[sharp wing]

barrage helps to prevent that tho

[elder crane]

torp-CLs already have trouble outputting enough damage to kill stuff reliably with their guns

Well guns always target closest in arc

Barrage almost never hits sneaky ships up top/down low

[sharp wing]

Oh, lmao

Fiji barrage

second in damage to light after sendai

[elder crane]

Over Nep?

Oh after Sendai class nvm

[sharp wing]

Sendai is second after Nep

but there big difference vs light

500 damage

more than half barrage damage worth

Sendai deals half damage to Med and 5 less to heavy

Nep has Ap barrage, so penalty is not that great

[elder crane]

Ahh good ole "barrage ammo mods are fricken all over the place"

All of the CLs have different mods I swear

[sharp wing]

Sendai vs armor comparison modifiers are 1 0.5 0.2

900 being light damage

900 450 180

[elder crane]

Compare Fiji class

[sharp wing]

[elder crane]

And compare Sheff mods

[sharp wing]

fiji and sheff have same mods

better than Sendais

[elder crane]

Huh, must've misread a column then

[sharp wing]

vs med and heavy

[elder crane]

There's someone with mods that are almost fiji-class

[sharp wing]

Fiji top sheff bottom

[elder crane]

Nah sheff has 0.05 more on all of her armor mods than Fiji-class

[sharp wing]

lol

[elder crane]

Which is like, why even fricken bother

[sharp wing]

ok

Bel has HE, so diff modifiers too

[elder crane]

1.05 0.80 0.45 for Fiji
1.1,0.85,0.5 for sheff

[sharp wing]

Nep Barrage vs Heavy even stronger, than Subs torp barrages, lmao

[elder crane]

Fricken all of the CL normal ammo type barrages have different mods

At least with a different ammo type diff mods make sense

[sharp wing]

well, ye

[elder crane]

But CL normal barrages have like,
Normal--- Normal-- Normal- Normal Normal+ Normal++ Normal+++ etc.

And ofc some sidegrades as well

[sharp wing]

lol, wtf

Pensacola has same dmg vs all armors

on barrage

That's not normal, that TRUE damage, lmao

[elder crane]

Class Barrage - Fiji Class II 1.05 0.8 0.45
Unique Barrage - Belfast II 1 0.75 0.4
Class Barrage - Sendai Class II 1 0.5 0.2
Class Barrage - Southampton Class II 1.1 0.85 0.5
Class Barrage - Yat Sen Class II 1.4 0.9 0.7
Class Barrage - Agano Class II 1 0.9 0.7
Class Barrage - Cleveland Class II 1 0.75 0.4
Class Barrage - Leander Class II 1 0.75 0.4
Class Barrage - Yuubari Class II 1 0.9 0.5
Class Barrage - Atlanta Class II 1 0.75 0.4
Class Barrage - Emile Bertin Class II 1 0.8 0.6
Class Barrage - Edinburgh Class II 1 0.75 0.4
Unique Barrage - Avrora II 1 0.8 0.6
Class Barrage - Arethusa Class II 1 0.75 0.4
Class Barrage - Brooklyn Class II 1 0.75 0.4
Class Barrage - Omaha Class II 1 0.75 0.4
Class Barrage - Mogami Class II 1.2 0.8 0.6
Class Barrage - Konigsberg Class II 1 0.8 0.6
Class Barrage - Leipzig Class II 1 0.8 0.6
Class Barrage - Ning Hai Class II 1 0.8 0.6
Class Barrage - Nagara Class II 1 0.75 0.4

[sharp wing]

same as beagle/nuldog

[elder crane]

WHERE'S MY CONSISTENCY SMH

And that's missing a bunch of new ships too

[sharp wing]

Someone had time to write modifiers for each class

lmao

[elder crane]

And I assume the new CLs are just as much of a mess

Cause, why wouldn't they be?

[sharp wing]

If purple hearts skill barrage wasn't on that long ass 115 sec CD, she would be best barrageboat vanguard in game, lol

Beats sakura big 7 vs med and heavy

[elder crane]

Well FP is a thing unfortunately

[sharp wing]

well, for VG that's op damage

even with 0 FP

Also it is pierce + burn same time, lol

Burning AP shells

[elder crane]

Well at 115s idk if burn is useful anymore

[sharp wing]

well ye

[elder crane]

1 tick and then you go OT

[sharp wing]

but it's some weird HEAT ammo

smh

[elder crane]

Oof most of the damage is in 18 shots

At least it has smaller spam

Fricken ch12 with everyone and thier mother having shields

[sharp wing]

Izumo for the rescue, lol

[elder crane]

Nagato Barrage actually fails to wipe most fresh mob waves

Does Izumo barrage pierce shields?
Most AP doesn't

Or is Izumo's count as arcing (bypass shield)

[sharp wing]

after Fate

iirc

Well, it started piercing after that "rework"

But not sure if fate needed

rework was when we had PR delayed

during that time

[elder crane]

Nagato barrage procing into a fresh shield is sooo disappointing
Literally can fail to scratch the shielded ships

If only player-ships could spam shields like that, that can absorb a ton of bullets

[sharp wing]

http://p9.qhimg.com/t017c614c8f61916b10.gif

Pearp heart skill

[elder crane]

How many shots do the NPC shields even absorb?
It feels like a lot more than the player ship shields do

[sharp wing]

much more

and they differ from enemy to enemy

extreme case is daily bosses

those are like almost unlimited, lol

[elder crane]

Are those not unlimited?

[sharp wing]

In the end i tend to break ONE

[elder crane]

So far haven't seen any get spammed down

[sharp wing]

one of 3

I might see after reset

[elder crane]

Oh nice
Iirc I got 0 with 3 gun-CLs the few times I ran that, but I didn't run down the timer much either so ehh

[sharp wing]

well, i need to run it again to be sure

that was in Shelling dailies

[elder crane]

Plus it was the wrong one anyways, torp boss gives the most time

[sharp wing]

maybe torp boss DOES get unlimited for reason

[elder crane]

In any case with ch12 iirc I regularly saw the shields when fresh eating a full Nagato barrage and still not down yet

[sharp wing]

😄

[elder crane]

Big 7 I imagine would do even worse

The arcing barragers though just laugh

[sharp wing]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/av49707822?from=search&seid=2610629174394200220

Izumo barrage post update piercing boss shields

[elder crane]

Funnily enough if they spawn in as the barrage hits their position the shots caught inside the shields from Nagato Barrage can actually kill the mob

Wait the heck the half-normal portion doesn't travel across screen anymore?

Isn't that mostly a downgrade in terms of targeting?

[sharp wing]

Fate changes half shells to arcing w/ aoe

[elder crane]

Lolwut
The BBAP->BBNormal change arguably already is a downgrade in a few of Izumo's niches

This actively hurts her in her fast-farm niche

[sharp wing]

WELP RIP mobs

900 light damage, lol

[elder crane]

Yeah, it uses the old BBAP mods iirc

0.3 if it doesn't use unique ammo

WS for example still uses that mod on light for her skillshot

[sharp wing]

lol

at least izumo gets 120% fp

[elder crane]

But yeah
One of the major niches for Izumo is fast-farm of easy maps

[sharp wing]

she can fast farm, but only heavy/med

[elder crane]

A 70% full-screen piercing barrage really speeds things up if dmg isn't an issue

Well on easy maps she wipes light armor too

[sharp wing]

well, on lower lvls sure

with like at least 20 lvls advanatage

[elder crane]

iirc she used to be the best solo backliner for Iris D2 farm, at least according to CN at that time

In terms of the time taken per clear

[sharp wing]

D2 is sub 90

so legit

if they got 110 there

[elder crane]

But lol at anyone having a decent devlv Izumo on EN right now

[sharp wing]

Well, Oni are wafiu, but actually using her

[elder crane]

They long had 120，CN

[sharp wing]

I mean did they have original iris run after 120?

It was summer 2018

[elder crane]

JP already had 120 for a while at that point iirc

Well after 120 for CN

I'm talking about original Iris

[sharp wing]

yes

summer 2018

[elder crane]

CN had 120 by early 2018 iirc if not earlier

[sharp wing]

their servers opened in september 2017

wait, september was JP, CN was June

Well, legit

half year till 120

[elder crane]

Well I had a few lv115+ on my CN account during 1st Iris run

CN had lv120 before ISSS

[sharp wing]

Well, izumo surely could clear d2

[elder crane]

Wait ISSS for CN/JP is before Iris, right?

JP got 120 shortly after ISSS

[sharp wing]

ye

was in May

May-June

Iris July-August

[elder crane]

That and FW was why CN never had a full pure-Nakaga meta like JP did

120 WaSD with shells even before Essex could hold its own

[sharp wing]

I forgot to do pvp, lol

[elder crane]

gottagofast

[sharp wing]

3 mins 10/10

RIP

and no1 moved

[elder crane]

I suppose you're chatting while you run?

Or just given up :P

[sharp wing]

got 1800/600 fleet

OwO

GOTTA GO FAST

[elder crane]

Ah the godsend easy meme fleets

Inb4 it's a Akagichan stall

[sharp wing]

FCUK YE HAIL MEME FLEETS

[elder crane]

Well at that power I don't think you can set up a workable akagichan-stall

Did they ever get around to fully patching that?

[sharp wing]

idk

never had it work for me

i fought 3-4 those

[elder crane]

I saw it happen once
And wasn't able to reproduce it

It's certainly a finicky thing
All the harder to debug I suppose

[sharp wing]

damn, almost made it

[elder crane]

If left to me I'd hack-fix by adding in a phantom repair ship heal, for 0 HP

[sharp wing]

lost 1 tix

[elder crane]

Well :oneisokay:

[sharp wing]

2 down this season

[elder crane]

#flamuu #oneisokay

[sharp wing]

I forgot when i had last season w/ 0 lost tix, lol

Tho u get EoS top 10 anyway

On Sandy

[elder crane]

Almost half of the last few now that I've mostly stopped cutting things super close

[steep fog]

akachi chan bug happened to me once

[elder crane]

I just go for temp rank1 and extra merit from AoTN fights anyways

[sharp wing]

It's problematic to me usually being awake last season reset anyway due to EU time

Sunday night you know

[elder crane]

Oof
EDT NA is not quite that bad

[sharp wing]

Yeah, EU half day diff

[vague token]

hoping my list pushes before i sleeeep

rip

guess i sleep

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/DMM3l/28194b2555.png tfw 2.5 hr/3k gold research gives more BP than 8 hr/8k gold research.

[stark raft]

and a washing machine as well

nice

[hot creek]

I need a sanrui gun BP

been stuck at 24/25 for ages

while every other equip is well onto their second copy

[stark raft]

nepgun has been 17/25 til this day

fucking rng equip research

[steep fog]

I got 2x sanrui gun already

[sharp wing]

I got UNiGun

[modern tree]

I love when I research focused for a ship and I get 1 bp for it with 4 extras for Ibuki

I think its the best part of research

[stark raft]

Large project for Sanrui gave me lots extra for Nep

It's an rng fiesta

[wicked rivet]

it feels like you get fewer BPs as the levels go up

done 3 ibuki comms and got like 4 in them total

[stark raft]

Monarch will get 3 luck at this point before I get dev 30 nep

[odd schooner]

Is this the same commander that you guys have been fighting for a while now

Top Nagamon

[ionic magnet]

yea thats him and one other guy does it also

[analog hare]

are this purple one has better dps than gold twin 127mm or no ??

[sharp wing]

The answer is Yes

But it gives 10 less FP

Than gold one

So it's 5FP vs 25 AA for this 2 guns in particular

[stoic skiff]

I think 5 FP is more useful that 25 AA

[sharp wing]

AA equals to eHP vs planes in pvp so 5fp is questionable boost

15fp vs 25 aa more reasonable bargain

Also gold 138 gets rather significant dps boost compared to purple and 127

[stoic skiff]

Yeah in pvp, it is better but in pve 5fp is better

[sharp wing]

Well, depends on situation. For DD aa boost is also vital in air heavy map

But you probably wouldn't run DD there

[stoic skiff]

More likely CL with DD guns

[sharp wing]

For CL with S-A tier AA aa boost will be rather diminishing

[elder crane]

Still would probably have 25 AA>5FP

Especially since I'll even run AA radars on them when I can get away with it in ch12

[odd schooner]

So z46 still 127mm?

[modern tree]

z46 never used 127

its 100mm or nothing really

[odd schooner]

Oh ye the barrage

[modern tree]

197 oil per full clear, I am really disliking this event so far

[elder crane]

I'm just doing siren farm for now

5 bps now total

[lament lichen]

178 oil per full clear here

Probably could go alot cheaper

If i go 1:1 boss team as well

[shy hazel]

i dont think the requirements will allow u to go 1-1 boss

unless u mean a 0 ammo mob fleet one

[shell heron]

It is possible to 1:1 both fleets. But that needs AA radars

[modern tree]

not sure how a 1:1 for boss would do on auto, my 1:2 fleet is cutting it close

[lament lichen]

I always 0 ammo a mob one

Washi sodak gives so much aa

[shell heron]

I ran Nagi and Laffey on the boss before when I was working on Junie's affection while she was on the trash fleet.

That worked out fine. But they are both 120

[elder crane]

idk, boss is just 1 battle anyways so dropping oil cost there isn't as useful

[steep fog]

im still at 20 bps

this dry spell is real

[odd schooner]

A lot still haven't gotten past 10

[shell heron]

20...I'm at 8

[ionic magnet]

18k pts 7/15

[vague token]

lol

[true crane]

Where does Jean Bart fit into the pvp tier list? I imagine her instant first barrage makes her quite good

[coral wren]

10k oil and 0 prints. And i thought farming quadra magnetics was total shit

[finite valve]

jb might work for snip comp like jb + ws

dk about flex slot tho

maybe kgv?

[true crane]

i think her barrage targets vanguard?

if it does she may be good with akaga for vanguard deletion at the start of a battle

It ok to theorycraft though

im asking for your opinions/predictions im not expecting anyone to actually have a good read on her yet

hmm makes sense

[finite valve]

just go full torp and RNG reset lel

if you want to meme then just go full retard

[true crane]

That lowkey might work haha

[finite valve]

implying that jb going to magically snip back line 100% of the time

most i would say 50%

then what would her role be?

gl unless you time 818 with her snip

her 1 salvo is near useless since it will most likely miss

[true crane]

thanks for your feedback

[vague token]

aka 50% chance to target vanguard, it still has to hit, and then ykk can just nope your shot ;)

oh and saint louis 150+ evade

xD

[finite valve]

i think you might be better off using ark with her maybe?

[true crane]

sadly arks slow wont proc at the same time

[finite valve]

her 2 salvo start at regular air strike right?

[true crane]

yes but its less powerful than her first

[finite valve]

how so

her skill don't lose dmg unlike doy

[vague token]

she has less total gun shots

[finite valve]

we all know that

[vague token]

is the main problem

xD

[finite valve]

that's not the point tho

[true crane]

"Pirate's Soul During battle: every first main gun salvo deals 40% (60%) more damage. All manually aimed salvoes deal 40% (60%) more damage."

[finite valve]

the point was trying to snip VG with her 1 salvo

having less salvo have no meaning

either way you still need 818 to time with her snip anyway

so until we get 1

not going to happen anytime soon

@true crane that first main gun salvo affect ALL of her first salvo in a battle

[true crane]

oh ok I misunderstood

[finite valve]

doy lose her dmg buff after her first salvo in a battle

jb don't

[true crane]

Holy shit her dps with quad 380 must insane for bosses with that, the manual aim boost, and the 30% crit chance/50% crit damage with quad 380

[finite valve]

implying you going to play manual lane

get gud

[vague token]

well, you still gotta reach the boss