pvp

[modern tree]

I thought that port is 75%, but shes only 65% after the kai boost

weird, I played myself

I guess it is really high

[vague token]

the rest of the cleveland class is 70 too

montpelier is weird that way

[modern tree]

Iris is only 14 days?

EN truly sucks

[coral wren]

?

What do you mean

[modern tree]

we dont even get courtesy of farming mle for 3 weeks

[coral wren]

Oh

[jovial sedge]

So you broke me... its your fault friggin game still most likely will have muricans at 120 than this

Still dpnt got yukikaze so dunno can she be replaced by somth

[finite valve]

clear mode crash for iris

welp

[stark raft]

Thigh highs + High ponytail

Also enough dps to wipe sirens and their ancestors also good

[sharp wing]

Bit skinny

[coral wren]

Man, i really don’t get writing for some girls

[sharp wing]

Her mommy Dunk is

[coral wren]

Jean should slap minne

[sharp wing]

[jovial sedge]

So?

JB is really cool... so >< but that yukikaze : /

is she replaceable

[shell heron]

yukikaze? She's almost at staple

[jovial sedge]

: / dont got her

[sharp wing]

[shell heron]

I'm not sure how JB will perform in PvP. Should be interesting with preloaded shells

But the cockroach with mainfleet protection that is yukikaze is

[jovial sedge]

i dunno really maybe its all about how game says... dont go the evil path...

200 cubes and no yuki

oooohho that jav event 😄 so epic

[hot creek]

i hate yukikaze more than amagi.

[jovial sedge]

she is epic one of my most fav ships and top starter dd... but this vichia dominion dam ><

so far story gets so epic

[sharp wing]

Jav is just so annoying

[vague token]

jav is great but her voice is not

xD

[shell heron]

Oh right, new event drop today means people aren't moving in PvP

[jovial sedge]

pff sam as hate for ark... yet start of new event ark acting cool and reserved

[sharp wing]

Lolicons

[stoic skiff]

Lolicons are good

[sharp wing]

[modern tree]

they moved logout again and now I have to learn another position for it

why

[sharp wing]

On BS i just close the app and restart. less clicking

[coral wren]

Shit, i did an extra match before reset

[shell heron]

could be worse, you could have possibly forgotten to do 1 like me

[stark raft]

you could have slept through maint

[shell heron]

Thing is I still don't know if I really forgot 1 or not. My memory says I did them all. But my weekly told me I was at 29/30 before

[vague token]

when you said your score you were ahead of me still and i havent missed any xD

[shell heron]

Power of max sandbagging

[vague token]

my casual sandbagging isnt as powerful

[stark raft]

@balmy torrent if you ever had doubts

[vague token]

[red nexus]

Okay since the PR BB gun is shit, because it fires AP, i hot an idea...

Why not put it on the bote that gets a shell modifier

On a scale from 1-10 how stupid is this?

[vague token]

you can use the Normal triple 406

[stark raft]

Massa has her own gun

[red nexus]

So tri 406 still better huh?

[vague token]

not sure

[red nexus]

I want to make this dumb pr gun useful

[vague token]

triple normal is technically faster

compared to triple 410

same coefficient

and fp bonus

outside of that they have the same base damage and volley style

yeah save yourself .12 seconds

xD

[red nexus]

God damnit, pr gun!

Why r u like this?

On that side note how good is the bb gun from event

And how many dd guns should i try to get?

[vague token]

it hits the same spot twice

because it's 2x2

[red nexus]

And it gets bonus efficiancy on jean bart iirc

[vague token]

it doesnt get efficiency

it gets crit

[red nexus]

So how worth is getting more than one? Probably not very?

[vague token]

i mean

quads are bad outside of the two people who use them with their skill

xD

so

all you need is one

[red nexus]

Fair enough

And the DD gun? Is it any good?

Probably on DDs that want to proc skills with maingun fire, right?

[vague token]

dd gun is the best dps dd gun for shooting

it hits like a truck

has 35 fp

and not that bad of speed

it's like a super 127 single

[red nexus]

Probably good firerate, too because single barrel

[vague token]

well

it's slower than twin 127

note that it shoots them in sequence like sanrui gun

[red nexus]

So that's the game plan, then

[vague token]

the volley time is longer too

it's double the twin 127

but that is normal since it has 5 shots

instead of 2 shots

[red nexus]

Sr bote epic bote Mle quad -> retarded ammounts of dd gun

[vague token]

it should be .04

[red nexus]

You need 25 of these patterns, right?

[vague token]

or i guess first shot doesnt count

since that is the first one

xD

well and the absolute cooldown

.26 for dd guns

basically the volley time is pretty much fine

xD

jean?

i mean, she only gets crit rate

from her gun

the +first salvo damage

still works on any gun

xD

shell in uh

4 days?

3 days

my aux plates are not ready

share

[stark raft]

the purple shell has 15% crit dmg

can play with it while waiting for core shell

[vague token]

i have 5k core data ready for shells lol

buy 1 and the 818

refresh

buy another

eh, im not an oxy guy

im good with 2

(from the event lol)

i put auto loaders on em xD

how much are the shells going to be anyways

800?

[modern tree]

yea

[vague token]

so all gold gear is 800? xD

[modern tree]

you figured it out

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

looks like comms are bugged

And event clear

When 2 ppl on yr list push same time, then you +0 rest of the reset...

[vague token]

i keep hitting the help button when trying to logout

to refresh list

xD

[modern tree]

someone understands

[sharp wing]

[stark raft]

I just close the app

Didnt know logout works

[sharp wing]

I just close on BS too

[vague token]

if im on an emulator ill just close it

so like

will jean bart be faster for cog chip daily

or will aya

xD

[stark raft]

i think shiranui kai is the cheapest

or ibuki for fastest if you dont care

[vague token]

xD

[hot creek]

man, JB would be so good for farming sirens. but I don't wanna rush build

I'll just use KGV. She does the same thing anyways

[sharp wing]

At least we don't get rush bs with border

[vague token]

and shell

=D

[stark raft]

I forgot to feed my JB books

ty for reminding me

[modern tree]

You could probably already have her gun if you cleared A stages

[stark raft]

well 2 books is like SL 4-5?

And still 4 days for white shell

[sharp wing]

Dunk barrage damage really pathetic

[vague token]

dunk has a barrage?

xD

[sharp wing]

Her ONLY skill

smh

On top of it it's 50% only

Why best waifus are always trash

[modern tree]

they are from simpler times where 1 skill was a norm

[sharp wing]

hood compared to her is godly barrage boat

so?

[vague token]

i mean

the majority of BCs are garbage

so

for waifu only

[modern tree]

Hood doesnt shoot instantly the map starts

[sharp wing]

Dunk also doesn't

[vague token]

/cough kongou class cough

[sharp wing]

nvm

[stark raft]

Dunk is just another white hair red eyed big tiddie boat

[vague token]

dunk has preloaded and 170 efficiency

that all she good for

xD

[sharp wing]

ye

[modern tree]

Dunk gets preload as 1st lb

[sharp wing]

outside of siren nodes with isntant elite spawn that's not that good really tho

[vague token]

oh she gets only MGM+1

[sharp wing]

well, that's cost of preload

[vague token]

yeah

[sharp wing]

I actually though HyuuKai melee artillery starts on CD

But it's instant

nvm

starts on cd

looked like it fired instantly

maybe some pvp bug again

[vague token]

lol

[sharp wing]

reverse barrage patterns are a thing for def fleet too

[modern tree]

thats because pvp is just hacked together

the def fleet is just flipped

so everything about their guns torps and barrages is weird af

[sharp wing]

Hm, does Enty skill affect planes AA weaps?

wasn't that AP cross thing

[vague token]

o/

[sharp wing]

I'm still waiting for BB having + on class icon while BC remain same, like CL and CA

So much small QoL things there to do

[shell heron]

2nd nepgun complete

now both my nagato and amagi will actually be shooting the VG

[sharp wing]

Bullet Hell

[vague token]

oh weird

a3 has purple sub torp

[sharp wing]

and c3

[vague token]

neat i guess

[coral wren]

i hope spending cubes on research won't backfire

[vague token]

i ran out of gold

xD

[coral wren]

Same here

Don't even know where to farm it during this event

Oh wait, d2 mines

You buy trade license? Are those even worth your $?

[vague token]

trade license is efficient

you just gotta wait

for it to pile up

[shell heron]

or claim it daily for the gold.

I ran out of gold so fast when 120 hit us

[vague token]

i didnt have many ready so it wasnt too bad

xD

[ionic magnet]

they swapped logout and help button again?

smh

[vague token]

yeah =(

it's really annoying

[ionic magnet]

yea i clicked help 3x now

[shell heron]

same

why can't we get a refresh rankings button already

[vague token]

help i keep pressing the Help button

HELP xD

[sharp wing]

I just noticed there actually 2 french bb guns, Jean gun and 330 mm AP gun

Jean skill only works w/ 380 mm anyway

[vague token]

weird

[charred sable]

I love seeing fleets like these

[vague token]

dat hair

[sharp wing]

Fleet Green, Fleet Red

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh.... No IseKai....

Missed opportunities

[vague token]

wait

isnt that ise kai?

yeah that's the kai icon

[sharp wing]

Yeah

But name changed

[vague token]

oh ok lol

[sharp wing]

from Ise (Retrofit)

Isekai

[shy hazel]

isekai indeed

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

maybe she can fly in another world

;)

[shy hazel]

im stilo waiting for the inevitable

ive been reincarnated as a trash can

[shy hazel]

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

actually the reincarnated as a vending machine light novel isnt that bad

[sharp wing]

Let's make Isekai fly

[shy hazel]

when u see a vendo kill a dragon

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

well

apparently there was a CO2 vending machine or something

so they filled up a huge pit with co2

tossed a guy in

and exploded him

[shy hazel]

sooner or later theyll make a vendo

[sharp wing]

[shy hazel]

with rpgs on it

[vague token]

xD

play azur lane on a vending machine

[sharp wing]

Well, there fgo one

[shell heron]

AL vending machine....every purchase gets you a single build

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

i magically got a bonus point from a tiny rank difference

i think they did a bunch of matches while i was doing stuff

xD

[shell heron]

I only got a +3, guess everyone's busy with the event

[sharp wing]

You got bnus for doing "stuff"

I only got a +1

still better, than previous +0

918 10/10

[finite valve]

still no hot fix for clearing mode right?

[sharp wing]

na

[finite valve]

[sharp wing]

there also other minor bugs

[finite valve]

the other minor are just whatever

i need my clearing mode lel

[cerulean estuary]

infinite loading , game traffic?

[finite valve]

nah just the game said no clearing mode for you lel

just hope they fix the bug before d2 open

[vague token]

=(

[real notch]

oh god...

single 138mm is out... that's new BiS for ROF VGs?

[dusk bridge]

[real notch]

any notable ships in the new releases for FNFF that are good in PVP?

[vagrant veldt]

none are meta

JP players really like using JB in PVP for some weird reason

[real notch]

alright, just as i thought LOL

oh, the single 138mm is a CL gun?

[shell heron]

DD gun, but some CLs can use it

[real notch]

oh, then why's aripanda's guide not show it as BIS for YKKZ

i thought it was BiS ROF

[sharp wing]

It is very slow actually

[shell heron]

because 1.6s rld is not better than the 100mm or 76

[sharp wing]

It's slower, than twin 127

[lament lichen]

almost 2x slower than 76

[real notch]

yeah, i am reading it now

[shell heron]

I don't see ykk benefiting from a stronger gun outside of the 100mm

[real notch]

seems pretty shit for ROF based DDs

[sharp wing]

At least the ones w/ 75% mg eff

something like z46 might work

[shell heron]

It's pretty great on Laffey

[dusk bridge]

its the best raw dps DD gun

[real notch]

yea i think it's a dps gun not a ROF gun

[dusk bridge]

and yeah works really well on laffey

[sharp wing]

127 twin was good on laffey due to her reload, so 138 even better

[shell heron]

Laffey does have a rld buff on both her skills, she can abuse it

[sharp wing]

that's the point

And she still has 165% gun eff

[buoyant parrot]

what could be next event after Iris?

[sharp wing]

some rerun, Centaur minievent

[buoyant parrot]

what's it called?

[sharp wing]

Midsummer Sagittarius

[buoyant parrot]

thanks

[sharp wing]

We have a lot of time after Iris before Anniv

So i think 1 rerun should fit there

Unless we get some new event with jp/cn after they finish Iris rerun

[buoyant parrot]

ahh yeah, just future proofing my cubes just to be on the safe side

[real notch]

centaur is the next big PVP effort-dump

anything else PVP-relevant released in this patch?

[sharp wing]

nah

Unless you are into JB

[real notch]

RIP

i do quite like JB but i'll just slow level her

[sharp wing]

This patch relevant pvp thin is 138 gun

I hope we get more french event's and get twin version

Mle 1934

[shell heron]

You can toss the 138 onto Junie

[sharp wing]

yeah

And BCs like Hood

for FP boost

the ones that can only use DD aux

And USS bbs...

[buoyant parrot]

did anyone get ambercrombie in the Event banner?

[sharp wing]

No, but i got sussex, which means aber is there too

Aber is pretty rare overall

[buoyant parrot]

dang.... I spent already like 300 cubes since I attempted of trying to pull for her

[sharp wing]

She was in previous limited as well

But well, I also spent over 800 cubes trying to pull Aurora

[shell heron]

nope, I got another sussex this event, and enough to MLB her 3 times last event

instead

[sharp wing]

[buoyant parrot]

[finite valve]

still no alber after 200 cubes in this event

shit is rarer than ram and rem

[sharp wing]

I think i only thing 1 in trophy ever

The other question is, why 2 other BMs are in light, but aber not

[finite valve]

cus fuck your cubes that's why

[sharp wing]

[steep fog]

lads whats your jb lvl

[finite valve]

66 cus been at work

[steep fog]

66 already?

wtf

[finite valve]

just do 3-4 > 7-2 lel

[steep fog]

im body dragging in 12-4

[finite valve]

also i think ppl going to have higher lvl than me anyway

since i was busy at work

[steep fog]

maybe I should have done 7-2 instead

[finite valve]

7-2 you can mvp + aff farm

12-4 is just corpse drag lel

[steep fog]

how to give mvp to lvl 50 jb

[finite valve]

just lb her

[steep fog]

did u run 1:1

with smth like phoenix

or just use mahans

[finite valve]

i use mahans tho

2 bodies is better than 1

7-2 is basically just meat shield your ship for mvp

if my jb is close to dying i just nope out

[shy hazel]

next event is anniv

[sharp wing]

anniv is mid August

EN servers opened 16th August

Will they start it month earlier?

[finite valve]

Press [X] to doubt

[sharp wing]

And iris ends 10th

July

[finite valve]

they can put either mikasa or centaur in

also 1 week break from iris

[sharp wing]

Mikasa is not actually event

[finite valve]

yeh is like saying loli is not event

[sharp wing]

more like filler between big events or double limited

[finite valve]

ppl still called it event regardless

[sharp wing]

Also it already had 2 reruns on cn/jp

But i want some break for my cubes after Iris before anniv

[finite valve]

3 SR in special pool

[sharp wing]

I only got Forbin so far..

[finite valve]

dk if bad or good

well at least i can fish for sub

still got no SR sub

zzz

[sharp wing]

iirc subs are not in event pool

[finite valve]

the pool is special tho

so why not?

they even have an SR sub pick up

[sharp wing]

special is CVs pool, like shoukaku

[finite valve]

eh bro sub is in special?

wtf are you saying?

[sharp wing]

limited is a mix anyway

usually heavy main pool

[finite valve]

implying we can get any SR CV in BB focus build

AKA biscuit or iris event

oh wait we don't

[sharp wing]

there very few special limited pool

[finite valve]

cranes is one of them

[sharp wing]

yes

[finite valve]

and yes we can get SR CV in them

same as nagato rerun

when they have i 13 in it

altho i dk if they use special pool or heavy + i 13

since i don't play JP

[sharp wing]

JP ppl said that subs were added to Special limited only like after half a year

But we seem to get new ships in limited

[finite valve]

really cus i think the reason to this claim is that most if not all event are base on heavy

since most SR are BB and all

only cranes got CV in it

[sharp wing]

that's the point

they get Heavy base pool

[finite valve]

in a heavy base event

essex is not heavy base

is like saying cranes are heavy base and should have hood in it

[sharp wing]

cranes are special

[finite valve]

which is my point

essex is special

[sharp wing]

which is my point, lol

[finite valve]

why tf would hood be buildable in essex?

[vague token]

got +1 from stella

[sharp wing]

[shy hazel]

[shy hazel]

my fleet lost to sara

i should quit

[sharp wing]

Seppuku.

[sharp wing]

lol, got this new gun from merit box

[coral wren]

That story arc is making me like hood more as a character 🤔

[red nexus]

Eww

[coral wren]

Now that we have jean bart will the meta change?

[real notch]

no

jean bart is not a new ship, she's had months of usage in JP/CN servers

[stoic skiff]

Can you possibly snipe Hiyuu with Warspite?

[real notch]

probably with levels and gear advantage

otherwise i doubt it'll be consistent

[ionic magnet]

with the help of another barrage bote you can do it

like monarch/hood

[stoic skiff]

Ok

[blazing scroll]

I'm wondering if I should replace my Portland with Sanrui dev28

Probably yes right?

[real notch]

portkai's pretty good but sanrui dev 28 is good enough

definitely better

[blazing scroll]

I just got to grind those last Sanrui lvls so she will be 120

[stoic skiff]

Are PR1 worth putting in a pvp fleet?

[real notch]

sanrui is

she's t0

[stoic skiff]

I don't know a lot of nicknames, Saint Louis?

[real notch]

yup, saint louis

[stoic skiff]

Ok, I will keep it in mind

[sharp wing]

Nep as well

[coral wren]

I was talking about en

[buoyant parrot]

[stoic skiff]

If the Main is the same in EN as in JP I think not?

[buoyant parrot]

@stoic skiff you could also Check pinned post

Specially the pvp en tier list

[steep fog]

run jb to rng shot vg

[coral wren]

jb+kgv+aur

[stoic skiff]

With her quad she have more chance to hit vg

[stark raft]

you can add hyuukai as well

[coral wren]

Oh man, massa is quite... mediocre

Was wondering if she fits wasd, but...

Yeah, she is no good

[stoic skiff]

Massa is just a worst PoW with high AA

[coral wren]

I just looked at her second skill and it's just shit, 30% bonus dmg

2,700 pounds of shit

[stoic skiff]

It could be 30%

Maybe the only good thing if you get her to 120 you have 2+ hit BB/BC/BBV

Why did you try that?

Her skills aren't that good

[coral wren]

Was hoping her salvo would do a significant dmg at max range

but 414 fp at lvl 120 and her skills are giga shit

fuck her

Well, if she could do x2, x3 dmg at max range, that would be a considerable option i guess

[vagrant veldt]

that would one hit PVP backlines

[stoic skiff]

She would have 436 FP with max skill potential and Wiki stats alone

[stark raft]

20 more nep bp lads

and the Queen shall rise again

[midnight heron]

time to oath juneau i guess

[stoic skiff]

And you have her at 30 dev?

[stark raft]

Monarch at 30, Nep gonna hit 25

[stoic skiff]

How people have already dev 30 prs??

[hot creek]

if you concentrated all your general BP on one ship

[stark raft]

Refresh + 3 cube commisions can go a long way

[stoic skiff]

I did that and have Roon to 22 @hot creek

[sharp wing]

gotta try harder

[hot creek]

well, yes that and doing the right researches

and being able to do them often

[sharp wing]

gotta spam cube research

[stoic skiff]

Now I am doing only no money research

[sharp wing]

I'm out of cubes again this event

[ionic magnet]

those give very few bps

and takes so long

[coral wren]

12 hours long ain't worth it at all, same with 6 and 4 i think

[sharp wing]

they are good before you go to sleep

tho 12 a bit overkill

[coral wren]

If you sleep 12 hours tho

[sharp wing]

10 would be good

Well, if you check Al right before you sleep and 1srt thing you do when you open eyes

sure

[stark raft]

12 hours is disappointment commision

[coral wren]

8 6 and 4 proved to be as well, at least for me

[sharp wing]

Well, free stuff is always like that

[coral wren]

Not only free, but i was getting jackshit by paying gold as well

[sharp wing]

8 hrs 8k coin one is good

same as 4 hrs 6k

[hot creek]

I should have Monarch and Nep at dev 30 in approx 11 days.

[sharp wing]

[hot creek]

I am kind of wishing I leveled Illustrious

for 818 shenanigans

[sharp wing]

My Lusty is on ch12 duty

[stark raft]

Wish we had centaur for that

[hot creek]

well, centaur is coming eventually and will make it all pointless

[sharp wing]

Cent is bound to happen

[hot creek]

in the meantime, I have my Vicc at 119

[sharp wing]

ohboi

Well, she is the only good general hms cv basically

rest are either specialists or shit like Glorious

[sharp wing]

Ring is the only way

dunk can work as bootleg JB too probably

They should make JB skill work w/ Dunk gun too for AP shenanigans

[coral wren]

Even with ring and a dorm i once managed to tire monarch

Unfortunately it's not a panacea

[sharp wing]

Panacea? You wan't instant regen or what?

Ring gives 20% regen boost

[coral wren]

You wan't instant regen
That would be nice

[sharp wing]

Inb4 morale for

[coral wren]

Hush, don't give em ideas

[sharp wing]

[jovial sedge]

🤔

So o watched those essex skills thst could work or not

[midnight heron]

merit for morale

[steep fog]

time to lvl jb in pvp

I just do 3 fight then quit

[steep fog]

good for u

I dont even get them

I need more monarch bp

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

dear god, that was fast

[hot creek]

👏

prime elite node farming ship

well she'll be good in D2 for ya

might have to rotate but whatever

[modern tree]

d3 opens after reset anyway

[coral wren]

Are you building french meme fleet

[sharp wing]

I want to lewd use Dunkek

[coral wren]

Jp got no Richelieu tho, right?

She 100% will be a flag

[sharp wing]

they got DDs

[coral wren]

Meh, they need richelieu but manjew decided to make her a re-rerun ship apparently

[sharp wing]

richelieu is in a long box

[coral wren]

Then i expect bisco tier fiasco

I already want her to buff frenchies by giving them 40% chance of doing double damage and something on top of it

[sharp wing]

[coral wren]

% lifesteal or smth like that

[sharp wing]

minor faction buffers yeah

[coral wren]

anything would work if it helps overthrow japs

[sharp wing]

Actually due to release schedule, Richelieu should come after Jean d'Arc

And they didn't get d'Arc yet

[coral wren]

Is that a light cruiser?

[sharp wing]

yes

Iris libre CL

Also, there actually 2 french factions, and doubt buffer will buff BOTH

Cause they are technically enemy

[coral wren]

this is better be good

[sharp wing]

I swear, they gonna put d'Arc in every damn gacha

[coral wren]

About buffers, i think there is 1 boat already that buffs them both?

[sharp wing]

Both factions got PR tho

Gascogne for Vichiya and Saint for iris

[coral wren]

yes

Iris' Heart During sortie, increases Firepower, Torpedo stat and Accuracy of Iris Libre (FFNF) and Vichya Dominion (MNF) destroyers by 5% (15%).

[sharp wing]

This is orientational release schedule

[coral wren]

Oh god..

[finite valve]

gl to all the farmer

[sharp wing]

She still has only temp art

[stoic skiff]

Tone and Chikuma are only enemies in pve right?

[sharp wing]

Tone is in dailies too

[stoic skiff]

There is nothing about I-8 on the wiki

[sharp wing]

I-7 and I-8 were largest japanese pacific war subs

[stoic skiff]

Nice

[sharp wing]

Tho that accounting subs, that were ready by the time, when pacific war started. By the end of war Japanese build some big ass monstrosities, like submarine carriers w/ 3 floatplanes

By the way, Surcouf also was submarine carrier irl

[stoic skiff]

Sub retros when?

[sharp wing]

Ultra rare subs

[stoic skiff]

If I can do B3 with a bulin my day is completed

[sharp wing]

With oil cost of SR DD

[stoic skiff]

I could be cool to see subs action in pvp or no?

[sharp wing]

no

[stoic skiff]

Why not? I mean it will change something besides being the same old fleet?

[sharp wing]

If you mean putting subs in VG slots, instead of regular vg ships, maybe

But who would gimp themselves to let enemy vg go strait for main

If adding subs as extra fleet, that would require a change to ASW

[stoic skiff]

Instead of 3 subs like in pve they could put one or 2 subs?

[sharp wing]

subs would be basically unkillable w/ pvp buffs and default deep charges

and without sonar equips

That would be straight way to abuse free wins

[stoic skiff]

Yeah, they should add something or a mechanic to make pvp fun and not "just one fleet".

[sharp wing]

They shuold just make ships more balanced

before Amagi and then Nagato EN was pretty balanced overall

[stoic skiff]

In early days of AL, in pvp I used Ente and Long Island and it wasn't that bad

[sharp wing]

Early days were all about Yorktown carry

[stoic skiff]

Uh? I didn't see her that much

[sharp wing]

well, very early days, 1-2 1st server months

Esp till there were any lvl 100 fleets

[stoic skiff]

Ah, I meant like the first event for EN for "early days" for me

[sharp wing]

September

[elder crane]

YT and some "1-dollar-chan"s

[sharp wing]

[stoic skiff]

pvp then was good, you could the fleet wasn't one and it was fun

[sharp wing]

Sara the cheap onee-chan

[elder crane]

Not having Enty in the early days was

[sharp wing]

Well

[elder crane]

Cause Enty wrecks everything that could be set up early

[sharp wing]

Most ppl just sit in foxmines

[elder crane]

And ofc Early foxes was

I got mine in about 10 days

but then you have to level them too

[sharp wing]

I never used foxes in pvp and in pve much

[elder crane]

took me like a month until Enty and Hood arrived

[sharp wing]

Sodako carried me all the way

[stoic skiff]

Same, I got her and nearly never use them, even Aya I got her and still didn't use her, she could have basic equipment to this day if it wasn't for one thing

[sharp wing]

October up till June

Now i'm too lazy to 120 them

[elder crane]

110 foxes was already somewhat of a slog
Maybe once we get airspace mechanics

it's usually all BBs with sometimes a support CV for boss on my end

[stoic skiff]

Could be a KMS fleet be viable in pvp?

[sharp wing]

Wasd punched foxes in the face not taking shit

[elder crane]

erm, this is like early-days

Wash is well past that

[sharp wing]

you say 110

Early days

[elder crane]

oh nvm I was confused

I meant getting foxes to 110 was a slog

as in grinding them

[sharp wing]

ah

Well, i used Wasd all the way into 110

[elder crane]

PvP I ran, after using foxes for the inital 110 push for easy wins, Hiryuu/Amagi/Hood

which wrecked everything as the offense team

It actually easily rolls WaSDA, somewhat surprisingly

[sharp wing]

Sodako anniv skin might make me actually get em to 120

and use

waifu>meta

[modern tree]

@stoic skiff You can do something gimmicky with Bisquit, Zepp, Amagi, Juneau, Roon, X. Dunno how much of that is KMS fleet by your definition and also it probably wont be amazing

[elder crane]

I've already Wash to 120 and Sodak to 115, so maybe

but idk how well that does vs Namayuu as offense

Jun/Roon/Ykkz

"KMS"

[sharp wing]

Wash vs Amagi stall pretty hard

[stoic skiff]

I don't have Zep, loli or not

[elder crane]

or basically how any national fleet is Jun+Ykkz with a token addition

for vanguard

[sharp wing]

When i see a BB or HyuuKai, i actually shove my Hiryuu somewhere and put Baka vs them

[modern tree]

You either run Amagi as backline with whatever frontline you want or Aurora as frontline because without her Tirpitz will never deal any damage

dunno, KMS is awkward because they have flagship and randomass boats that do nothing in pvp

[elder crane]

idk if it's even better to put Bis as flag over Amagi for that team tbh

it probably still is but it's close

[modern tree]

you would bisquit flag for heavy armour

[sharp wing]

I would Bis vs Amagi on lane

[elder crane]

yeah, that's the issue
HMS/IJN have ships you already run in PvP regardless of Nation buff

[sharp wing]

depends on team setup

But then again, magi can just decide target other lane

[elder crane]

And ofc USN has the issue of no nation buffs, mostly

[modern tree]

IJN has broken backline and HMS broken frontline. It's sort of why you can even afford to run either

[stoic skiff]

There isn't any ship that could change the meta?

[elder crane]

Well anything sufficently OP ofc could

[modern tree]

no, the meta is hard set

nothing will change meta unless it 100% walls Namagi

[sharp wing]

The meta is set for year for EN most likely

[modern tree]

and nothing like this will ever exist

[finite valve]

until maybe yamato or iowa

[elder crane]

but for now I don't see any meta shifts until completely new ship additions

[finite valve]

unless they going to meme both of them like biscuit

lel

[elder crane]

we're likely getting a lot of the new event ships early

like CE and Bis event

[modern tree]

look, any good ship is just going to be a wildcard for Namagi

it's actually impossible to escape

[elder crane]

if WSkai becomes DoA

due to new ships first

[modern tree]

Nobody on EN is gonna level entirely new team to 120

just slap new op boat into Namagi

lul

[elder crane]

even more if PR2 somehow becomes DoA for EN

[stoic skiff]

The problem of Bismarck is KMS frontline sucks besides Roon or some CAs and DD

[elder crane]

and KMS main also suck besides Roon

Nah for PvP it's literally besides Roon

[modern tree]

Roon is not good either. Its pvp. She eats every shell and bomb

[sharp wing]

Well, It's basically Yukie+Jun+X for Any nation

So Only 1 ship matter for VG

[elder crane]

KMS for actually PvP sorta-viable is Bis and Roon

[modern tree]

if you dont have at least CL speed, you are a sitting duck and just eat shit until you sink

[elder crane]

And unlike Azuma, Roon doesn't have enough eHP to run double +speed....
or does she

ehh probably not

and it's not like Roon offers as much damage as azuma either

[modern tree]

Azuma doesnt care about HP because she has 100% efficent CA shooting

[elder crane]

Well Azuma doesn't care about HP cause she gets over 8k of it

[modern tree]

Roon will miss like 70% of her shots and have no damage by the end

[stoic skiff]

At least Roon have shield to protect the Vanguard

[modern tree]

she is just a floating pile of HP that is too slow to dodge bombs

[elder crane]

And that's the sticking point, missing 70%

[sharp wing]

shields is meme

[elder crane]

shields don't stop anything that actually threatens VG anyways

[sharp wing]

They don't protect vs relevant pvp damage

[modern tree]

Shields do not stop plane bombs and BB shells

[elder crane]

and get stripped wayy too fast

[modern tree]

you will block Nepgun fire, Neat!

for about 2 seconds

[sharp wing]

76mm or 100mm for Yukie

[stoic skiff]

Better that nothing xD

[modern tree]

KMS is the definition of "better than nothing"

you'd rather have anything else tbh

[elder crane]

well tbh it's more like the timing isn't correct to block Amagi/Nagato, I think

[sharp wing]

With fate

[elder crane]

Which is like the only two things worth blocking

[sharp wing]

it can work somewhat

[modern tree]

You can get shields at start with the luck, but they will get stripped prolly

[elder crane]

erm, fate is start, which means they'll get stripped first

[modern tree]

might block some Amagi, but her main damage is 224 base damage projectiles that do not catch shields

[elder crane]

well her straight shots are still about same total damage since 6 shots vs 4

[sharp wing]

Shields are just pretty pointless

[elder crane]

but with all the gunfire around, no way Roon shields make it more than about 5s

[sharp wing]

Till they make shields intercept 1 torp and explode

[elder crane]

Jun spam, ykkz spam, secondaries

[sharp wing]

Then opening shields is a thing

[stoic skiff]

I think the best shield for pve is Norfolk's

[sharp wing]

front shields

[modern tree]

best shield for PVE is Roon

Its instant

and borderline infinite in pve

[sharp wing]

That's only way to make shields viable

[modern tree]

I think pvp has bigger problems than shields being trash

[sharp wing]

pvp is problem

Implying actual devs even give shit about our feedback

Maybe about CN

Oh, we actually have CL gun w/ 360 firing angle

But non existent DPS

[modern tree]

Sandy has 360 degrees

[sharp wing]

what

w/ any Cl gun?

[modern tree]

nah, she can equip DD guns

[sharp wing]

well DD guns have 360

But there CL gun w/ 360

[vague token]

is it a GOOD cl gun with 360 degrees?

xD

[sharp wing]

As i said, nonexistent dps

[vague token]

xD

[elder crane]

Why hello there

too bad the vanguard is trash, I think

wow didn't even proc Hiryuu before dying, 1st round

[ionic magnet]

well its not like monarch dev25 is amazing either

[merry edge]

thats a D30 narch

[ionic magnet]

oof

[merry edge]

well its obviously a waifu fleet anyways

[elder crane]

yeah, I put Hiryuu on tanking her
ate 4 barrages and didn't sink

(aka didn't proc final counter)

[ionic magnet]

her barrage is just the same as hood

[merry edge]

AA guns dont really matter in pvp right?
asking because I dont really wanna put my scarce gold AAs on my pvp team

[ionic magnet]

not really reliable w/o help of ws/doy

[elder crane]

it very much does vs CV teams

soooo.... yeah

Vs 1CV probs not that important though

[merry edge]

oh does it? I thought you cant realistically shoot down airstrikes in pvp

[elder crane]

Plane suicide damage scales with remaining HP

[merry edge]

[elder crane]

also plane damage is decreased by AA (all types of plane damage)

[merry edge]

[elder crane]

bombs, aerial torps, and suicide

oh it actually proced final counter round 2

if the vanguard didn't fold in sub-30s there's a chance it might be scary, maybe?

though no juneau means main fleet probably just always loses the trade

ok, I'm testing here, can my Nagato stop procing

Well, final verdict:
If it ran a proper vanguard it seems like it might actually be scary

probably not that scary though

[sharp wing]

Probably Baka would be more scary

[elder crane]

for defense, sure
for offense, maaaybe Monarch's tankiness could be helpful?
but the issue is, you then need 2 Sakura VGs or give up Amagi's self-acceleration

[sharp wing]

Wel, that's why you see those mem vgs

[elder crane]

yeah but Sendai?

At least go Aurora

[sharp wing]

Saint counter

[elder crane]

Well,

1. Only Amagi shots and Nagato barrage are at the correct time for 1st Flare
2. long battles means that Flare being RNG after 1st activation is an issue

[sharp wing]

Well, it's not serious

tbh they just put "torp fleet" w/ not too squishy botes

and half waifu

[elder crane]

Well idk, Sendai as Louis counter isn't silly, but only in fast fleets like Nakaga

[sharp wing]

Neither it works with preload and next torp waves

[quiet adder]

Why is trump using ijn

That's not MAGA

[vague token]

why would you use ykk juneau

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

with akaga

and aurora

?_?

[elder crane]

It's probs what he has invested in

[wicked rivet]

His comps have always been weird

[elder crane]

Jun does beat the mirror

[wicked rivet]

We need Bernie to come fuck him up

[vague token]

lol

[wicked rivet]

Jun beats mirror but who tf is gonna mirror that

[elder crane]

Jun is just good period

As in, beats other Nakagas/akagas

[sharp wing]

No bulli Junie

[wicked rivet]

She so sad

[sharp wing]

You have to make her happy

[wicked rivet]

No bulli

She just cries in my dorm

[sharp wing]

[wicked rivet]

[vague token]

o.O

[sharp wing]

Bad shitkican

[wicked rivet]

And heck actually using her until i need to farm sanrui

[vague token]

i think my juneau just hit 118 thanks to dorm and pvp xp

[sharp wing]

I farmed sanrui without her

[wicked rivet]

Nice

[vague token]

so like do bbs with only DD guns use the mle also?

or just 127 still

[sharp wing]

127 only when AA needed

[vague token]

ok that's what i figured

[sharp wing]

So not

more fp for barrage

[vague token]

like i suppose the 127 is technically better at goalie

since it alphas higher

[sharp wing]

why her alhpa higher?

they have same base damage

[vague token]

because it shoots 2 shots in one attack

[sharp wing]

but 4 shots vs 5

[vague token]

and half the volley time xD

[sharp wing]

well, in 1 salvo

[vague token]

no i mean it does more damage in a smaller amount of time

the total damage is worse

it takes half the time for the twin 127 to apply all of its damage, eg better alpha

obviously .1 seconds is practically negligible

i dont think there's a scenario where that would matter

it's just a technical thing

xD

"better alpha" with quotes i guess

[sharp wing]

I mean, you compare not alpha damage, but timeframe damage, limiting 138 in 1-2 shot of her volley

[vague token]

i mean, in the time it takes the 127 to do 60 base damage, the 138 has only done like 45

i think?

basically negligible

.2

127 is .1

[sharp wing]

but in the time 138 makes her full salvo damage, 127 still behind

[vague token]

well yeah, that's the point xD

at least it isnt like the single 127 .3 lol

[sharp wing]

and ammo flying sideway

[vague token]

xD

[sharp wing]

cause actual ammo range poo

[vague token]

although the single 127 has a 125 coefficient for w/e reason lol

[sharp wing]

her paper dps is very strong

[vague token]

i wonder how much total firepower you need to make that overtake the base damage on 138 lol

[sharp wing]

But not practical

tbh 120 my fav

but ye, normal ammo

maxed for good aux tho

[vague token]

oh that thing

[sharp wing]

twin 120

[vague token]

it has 45 range like the twin 100 xD

[sharp wing]

it's very reliable

[vague token]

oof

yeah base damage is good

too bad it's stuck on normal

[sharp wing]

yeah

[vague token]

and 45 range

xD

[sharp wing]

But as aux it's pretty decent

Also i took liking into SK AP gun on BBs as aux

good sniping

[vague token]

which one?

[sharp wing]

bread

[vague token]

oh the loaf

[sharp wing]

or whatever

[vague token]

i dunno anything about that gun

[sharp wing]

the AP german gun

z boats gun

[vague token]

oh is that who that's stock on?

[sharp wing]

Well, it's only good as aux

on things w/ high FP

aka BB/BC

[vague token]

oh ap and 2x2

[sharp wing]

as main gun it's poo

[vague token]

i should try that

[sharp wing]

It was pretty good on high lvls

[shy hazel]

too absorbe in gun farmand pso2

i forget to sandbag

[sharp wing]

[shy hazel]

i guess ill drop to top 15

[sharp wing]

PSO2 can be distracting

[elder crane]

The 134 is also not not legit as a DD Aux

[vague token]

xD

[sharp wing]

134 is just trash

[elder crane]

Complete dogshit damage cause 2 DD AP shots but the longest DD gun range

[shell heron]

It's okay, everyone's farming D2 today that no movement on my list

[ionic magnet]

Cay just move already so i can focus on gun farm

[vague token]

wait what, i thought the 134 had 45 range

unless you mean the bullet distance

[sharp wing]

actually, you reminded me, i have 3 attempts left

[vague token]

not the target range

[shell heron]

you're waiting on me eh

[elder crane]

Nope it has longer target range

[vague token]

wut

[elder crane]

Longer than the 127 even

[vague token]

well targeting range is unlisted

so

[ionic magnet]

yea you and 1 other guy that prolly used all his rounds already

[vague token]

big rip

[ionic magnet]

[elder crane]

62 targeting

[vague token]

can we get wiki people to add targeting range to table lol

[sharp wing]

it's still shit

[elder crane]

Has the same shit 45 DD projectile range though

[vague token]

goalie gun

xD

[shell heron]

waiting on edwarzo myself. I know he has matches left

[sharp wing]

[ionic magnet]

[elder crane]

The damage on it is terribly bad, but no VT mollifies that somewhat

[vague token]

[elder crane]

Still a super niche/not actually very useful pick

[sharp wing]

whats loaf gun targeting range?