pvp

[midnight heron]

continue resetting

[elder crane]

So basically the option to pick one RNG proc and toggle it

[vague token]

the matches would have to go on longer for rng to normalize

[red nexus]

But i use it more if i choose a fleet, that outmatches mine

[vague token]

but longer matches = less farm

aka bad for casuals

[red nexus]

Like seeing midway through i have no chance against that

[lament lichen]

be that one guy who complains why no one is using easy teams on def

[midnight heron]

my version of it is u only get to toggle the rng proc when it has already happened on the match that just happened

u cant just pick any

[red nexus]

Also if you have to complain about rng play botes with low proc rates

Like nagato

[midnight heron]

once you toggle it u cant toggle it again for next match

[sharp wing]

[red nexus]

That is so overly complicated and makes absolutely no sense

Just make due with the tools you have at your disposal

If you don't have the time to fight the same guy 6 times over, just don't do it

Just choose an easier matchup, or dare I say it, just loose

[vague token]

yeah but sandbagging means that 1 guy gives you the BIG POINTS

xD

[steep fog]

still so many nakaga def team in wash

[vague token]

and you have 3 minutes before reset

[midnight heron]

it's called giving players options

[vague token]

gotta go fast

[steep fog]

cant even drop belfast

♿

[midnight heron]

just cuz the devs didnt implement it doesnt mean ppl shud be disallowed to giv any suggestions for improvements

[sharp wing]

Ppl still use Nakagas

So just put same def fleet

[steep fog]

I climb with nagiryuu

[sharp wing]

Well, that would be basically autowin on reset button

That would make it even worse, lol

[red nexus]

I don't think we should make sandbagging any easyer

[sharp wing]

Bringing low proc low winrate team for 1st fight might actually be beneficial, lol

autowin on reset

[midnight heron]

well theres minor details u gotta work on like not being able to change fleets etc

[sharp wing]

well, if you change fleet, that removes point

[midnight heron]

obv if u're just gonna use a low proc fleet just to get gud rng on next round theres no point

[red nexus]

Like pick a lot of 30 - 40 proc rates, get insta win reset and enjoy 60-70% procs on op skills

[midnight heron]

like i said

its a "revenge" mechanic

if enemy didnt proc

u wont get it either if u toggle it

u cant insta win if the rng was totally one sided

[sharp wing]

I'm even afraid to think that devs would work on something like that w/ spaghetti code

[midnight heron]

if both sides had similar procs, revenge wont be of any use

its only there to counter 0:3 bs

[vague token]

personally

id rather have rng normalized to 100

and then drop the power

of the skills

but im the crazy person so dont listen to me ;)

(power drop would be relative to the activation rate change)

[sharp wing]

how would you normalize naga barrage to others tho

[vague token]

example

[midnight heron]

u can say its doing the same thing but thru diff methods

[vague token]

KagaBB would take 50% reduced damage

because 50 to 100 activation rate

would be 2x

[sharp wing]

Then low proc skills would be overpowered

[vague token]

lower proc skills take the largest power drop

because they add the most percent

what

[sharp wing]

besides they are incomparable in they damage in same % category

You cannot compare amagi barrage to most other 70%

[midnight heron]

sad reality

[vague token]

i mean

amagi barrage being OP

is different from normalizing the rest

xD

[midnight heron]

but then u wont use any other ship for their barrage anyway

if u were using amagi in the first place

[sharp wing]

🤦

[red nexus]

Or nagatos screenwipe with other 40s

[sharp wing]

How about ws barrage tho, +100% power

cause 100% chance

[vague token]

ws barrage doesnt get adjusted

it's already 100% activation

[red nexus]

But WS barrage has a proc timer and doesnt proc on firing main guns

[sharp wing]

That's just discrimination tho

[vague token]

well yeah, we're normalizing activation rates

so you need to drop the damage accordingly

[sharp wing]

ws already takes only 80% fp

[midnight heron]

talking about normalising just shows how broken amagi's barrage is compared to other 70%

[vague token]

xD

[red nexus]

Also i don't think devs will rework their entire systhem because some people think rng is unfair towards them

[vague token]

230 base damage kek

[sharp wing]

No it shows how bs is 0:3 naga barrages

[midnight heron]

yea they likely wont change it but there r definitely ways to make it better

[red nexus]

"Better"

[sharp wing]

Yeah, that's questionable

about better

I'd remove resets at all

make it real pvp

make ppl who farmed their 120s feel rewarded

[vague token]

xD

[midnight heron]

remove resets and also revamp matchmaking

[sharp wing]

make ppl who worked on BiS gear and actual team build rewarded

[midnight heron]

ur offense fleets will be ur defense fleets

and u will only be matched with ppl around ur rank

[sharp wing]

ATm it's just shitting on ppl who tryhard

[red nexus]

What ypu aresuggesti woudstrip soe botes of theirreason to beuse atal

[sharp wing]

[red nexus]

Like hood

Noone would have incentive to use hood anymore

[midnight heron]

but why tho

[sharp wing]

don't see relation

[midnight heron]

if u're using hms u will likely still use

removing resets doesn't seem to impact dat

[sharp wing]

Well, that's like pvp actually works

[cerulean estuary]

[sharp wing]

No resets and no sandbags

[midnight heron]

but i can also see the problem with implementing it dis way

if u remove sandbags u gotta be on point and not miss any matches

[cerulean estuary]

1 pvp exercise per day only

NO RESET
HIDDEN UNITS and FLEETPOWER

[midnight heron]

cuz once u fall behind u're never catching up unless others miss matches as well

[sharp wing]

That's implying others win 100%

which isn't happening cause resets removed

[midnight heron]

yea but no resets means throughout the 2 weeks it shud normalise

[sharp wing]

Sandbag doesn't help you with lost matches much too

[midnight heron]

u wont win 100% either

[shy hazel]

[midnight heron]

so the determining factor wud be not missing matches and having the best fleet possible

[sharp wing]

yes

[shy hazel]

fine with me

[sharp wing]

that's the point

dedication in both time and fleet

[modern tree]

Are we still discussing removing resets like it's a good idea? Guys, it's been months. Let go

[shy hazel]

its not like most ppl can beat mine if i maxed out fleets

[sharp wing]

Well, today we discussing everything

Yeah, and that would be right

cause you worked on yr fleet more

[midnight heron]

idk man talking about rng ended up in dis discussion

its funny

[shy hazel]

1 charge per reset

[sharp wing]

well, no

[shy hazel]

u see casuls quitting pvp

cos they lose and everything is hidden

[sharp wing]

well about hidden that's not idea

[elder crane]

More reasonable to just keep current system, remove bonus pts, and make a 1pt entry fee
Ofc upadjusting the pt reward to even things out

[shy hazel]

in the end it will be the same for usual top people

[elder crane]

So you get -1 pt per reset you have to do

[shy hazel]

because top ppl are the most geared oriented

were on top because we rely less on resets

and just demolish most

[sharp wing]

nah

top is pure sandbaggers

nothing to say

[midnight heron]

i dont mind rly

[elder crane]

People who sandbag all have good flts :P

[shy hazel]

u cant top in avrora by sandbag alone

[sharp wing]

yr fleet doesn't even matter atm

[shy hazel]

u need a good fleet unless u want 30 resets

[sharp wing]

well, ofc u need "decent" fleet

[shy hazel]

everytimr

[elder crane]

Erm, yes but actually no

[midnight heron]

the fact remains that the ability to reset raises a lotta problems like the 0:3 issue

[shy hazel]

on season end

[ionic magnet]

removing resets while using hms
how about a big no

[sharp wing]

lol

That's the point

You can use unoptimized semi decent fleet and you still can top1 via sandbag

and resets

[elder crane]

Just give -1 pt entry fee
Not large enough to really impact casuals, and enough to reward optimization

Well ofc but it'll be more of a slog to do so

[modern tree]

I don't know what world do you live in but I reach top 10 every season and I don't think I would if I didn't have maxed namagi in addition to my hms, just as an rng buffer. Sometimes the only guy on your list that pushes is Liptona and you have to beat him for points

[shy hazel]

any top 50 in avrora can top 10 in other servers

its isekai

[sharp wing]

top 300 i say

[elder crane]

Ehhh no

[modern tree]

Don't have time to reset 8 times for rng if you wait till reset

[sharp wing]

That's the problem of sandbag

[hot creek]

unless it comes with a massive fucking overhaul of the system. removing resets aint gonna make pvp more competitive. we've had this discussion before.

[modern tree]

Every week until you like it

[sharp wing]

It's not about competitive, it's about making it feel more rewarding for ppl

[elder crane]

And pretty sure AL will never have serious competitive PvP

[midnight heron]

which is y we didnt just discuss removing resets lel

its a rounded discussion

[shy hazel]

al is in the end a casual game

[elder crane]

It's better match to rest of game if PvP is more of a grindfest as it is

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

it would be rewarding

if the merit shop was updated

do that first

then balance lol

[elder crane]

That's basically the only issue, shop

[sharp wing]

I mean other way of rewarding feeling

[vague token]

because when the rewards are good

[shy hazel]

just follow gbf system in this game i tell u

[vague token]

you get a larger pool

[sharp wing]

Or should i say accomplishment

[shy hazel]

95% of en will quit

lul

[vague token]

xD

[finite valve]

update the shop is useless if all the top 1k are all sandbagger which will effectively wall off the other 90% of casual player

[elder crane]

95% of other servers too

[midnight heron]

well if the system was indeed revamped, having 90% quitting wont affect those who wud still do pvp

[elder crane]

Who cares, you don't need top ranks to get decent merit income

It's just bonus

[ionic magnet]

what, do you guys really think casuals will care about pvp even if rewards are updated?

[elder crane]

Plus that's unavoidable with ranking system

[vague token]

xD

[modern tree]

And just a mention since this came up I am getting tired of "Avrora is best pvp" and "I am doing well but its Sandy lol". Can we stop that

[shy hazel]

even i can,say getting too ranks in pvp in thus game is a casual exercise

[finite valve]

pretty sure all the bonus combine from 1k and above is like 50% of the bonus from below already

[shy hazel]

it cant stop

because its true

[sharp wing]

But Sandy is ded peeveepee

[shy hazel]

[midnight heron]

eh if the rewards were rly gud its more than likely casuals will take notice

[elder crane]

And so what, 50% is still 50%

just takes longer

The causals won't care

[shy hazel]

thats the difference in sheer amount of peoole geared in each server

[sharp wing]

It's pure population difference too

[modern tree]

Please explain to me how me with phoenix being the only competitors on Sandy is different from you and vysaaga being at the top for Avrora

[shy hazel]

avrora has more geared people so less memes to use

[sharp wing]

And actual ppl who aimed to play game more on original servers

[shy hazel]

[modern tree]

Cuz it feels like you are just talking out of your ass every time

[shy hazel]

who said its only vy and me being hard fleets

[ionic magnet]

depends if they put an exclusive ship or gear sure but thats out of the question. putting oils/coins are more than enough to make it 100x better

[shy hazel]

there are tons of hard fleets in avrora

[modern tree]

It's not about hard fleets

[sharp wing]

competitive and hard fleets is different

[midnight heron]

make server transfers possible and we can stop this debate

[vague token]

gems for transfer oh no

[sharp wing]

There many ppl with full 120 fleets who doesn't care about top 100 end season

[finite valve]

pretty sure being competitive in pvp atm is just either having a good time zone or try hard enough to set up alarm

[elder crane]

Make server transfer possible and then everyone just crowds one probably

[finite valve]

not really what i would call good

[hot creek]

Im no competitor. I'm a washed up has been who can't even place top 3 anymore

[shy hazel]

just make pvp cross server

[sharp wing]

[finite valve]

same thing would still apply

when pvp atm is just a waiting game

[sharp wing]

more sandbaggers no ty

[finite valve]

cross server or not it only carter to those that got good time zone

[sharp wing]

it just means if i sleep i lose auto

[finite valve]

i am not going to stay till 2 AM just to get rank 1 for like what 30s or 5m?

[sharp wing]

lol

[elder crane]

For getting the rewards it's super casual on EN
No need to worry about EoS there

[shy hazel]

in the end al is a casual gme just accept it

[midnight heron]

it is

i just dont like it when rng cucks me

[sharp wing]

casual game where you need not to sleep and sandbag pvp

[shy hazel]

if u want to compete with me pick between two games

[elder crane]

Ehh don't need to do that

[shy hazel]

gbf or fgo

[sharp wing]

fgo

pvp

ok

[finite valve]

lel

[sharp wing]

I'm IN

[elder crane]

I don't even play around 2/3 resets anymore and it's still easy temp rank1

[finite valve]

whale arena

[shy hazel]

fgo is a contest of cash

[finite valve]

fgo is just a fucking whale arena

nothing more nothing less

[sharp wing]

whale solo arena

[shy hazel]

lets fight in gbf u eant?

can u stay awake for 6 days?

[modern tree]

I just get a feeling that people took "its easy to get higher ranks on Sandy with less sandbag" and think that Sandy literally has only bulin fleets and nobody plays the game. It's sad

[sharp wing]

Well, compared to Avrora Sandy is chill

[shy hazel]

the people from sandy here saying sandy fleets are easy is the proof of that

[sharp wing]

fleets doesn't matter

why fleets even problem if u can reset

[elder crane]

Idk about you but I'd rather not have to reset a bunch

And you think a casual is gonna reset 10 times anyways?

[sharp wing]

There jsut no competition on Sandy, like i get top 10 last 30 mins with lost tickets

Try that on Avrora

[elder crane]

Weeeeell

Temp rank1s are easy

[midnight heron]

cant rly say dat objectively until u're there

[modern tree]

You all just guess what it's like on other servers

[elder crane]

7 matches missed and I held rank1 for like 5 mins, Avrora

[sharp wing]

Here ppl who play few servers

[finite valve]

what are me comparing between avrora and other server anyway?

[sharp wing]

last 30 mins of season?

[ionic magnet]

sagittary is sandy no?

[elder crane]

It's harder but when it's super casual to begin with that doesn't say much

[finite valve]

on the amount of cancer fleet or what?

[sharp wing]

sandbaggers amount tbh

[shy hazel]

amount of effort required av needs more

[finite valve]

if talking about sand bagger avrora is hand down got most

[shy hazel]

[ionic magnet]

eh avrora for sure is that even a question

[finite valve]

i mean just look at the score at season end

[sharp wing]

Now look at Sandy

[finite valve]

avrora 2.6k

other server are just at sub 2.6k

[elder crane]

Idk the amount of effort needed for all the rewards is not much to begin with

[sharp wing]

As i said, i get top 10 on season end w/ lost tickets

[elder crane]

So yes Av needs more but it's really not that impactful

Unless you care about EoS rank but not that many do

You don't get any rewards for it

[ionic magnet]

yea we talking abt end of season ofc

[sharp wing]

There is no point, but you can clearly see difference in servers

[ionic magnet]

temp top10 is w/e

[finite valve]

unless the other server got 2.6k rank 1

not worth discussing

[shy hazel]

i doubt u even need maxed out fleets to land t10 in sandy easily

[finite valve]

[sharp wing]

u don't

[elder crane]

Ehh I suppose then I don't have anything to contribute cause I don't care about EoS, same with 99.9999% of the playerbase

[sharp wing]

esp if u don't sandbag till last 5 mins

[elder crane]

(the 9999 part is a joke, not an actual number)

[ionic magnet]

whats that got to do with avrora vs sandy tryhard count lol

[midnight heron]

if u're tryhard in sandy u prob can make it in avrora anyway

[sharp wing]

tryhard is tryhard anywhere

[ionic magnet]

yea it doesnt say much but it is what it is

[sharp wing]

The thing is on Sandy 2-3 tryhards xD

[finite valve]

sandbagging as a rule is just a waiting game to see who move first

[elder crane]

And conversely the casual avroras arent gonna magically top board in Sandy

[sharp wing]

casuals are casuals anywhere

what's the point

[elder crane]

There's not thay big a diff
Idk what the point is even tbh

[ionic magnet]

avrora is the older server so its just natural to have more ppl

[midnight heron]

sometimes i question if i'm casual

[odd schooner]

so everyone going 5/10 or 0/10

[sharp wing]

avrora has much bigger population and veteran players that's it

[shy hazel]

even,hardcores in this game are casuals

[lament lichen]

nah gonna stay at 10/10

[odd schooner]

[ionic magnet]

never go 0/10 unless its end of season

[elder crane]

Not a super complicated update so no need to 0/10 imo

[sharp wing]

inb4 10 hrs

[steep fog]

I did all my pvp attempts cos w/e

[finite valve]

i feel like if you truly be hardcore go play OW or any moba game tbh

[steep fog]

[elder crane]

UI update was obviously gonna have major bugs

[ionic magnet]

oops forgot its maint but should be fine.. right?

[finite valve]

a mobile game is not really a place to say who hardcore or not

[ionic magnet]

[finite valve]

lel

[shy hazel]

why u become gundam again gurrenn

[steep fog]

remember 12hrs maint last time

[sharp wing]

[odd schooner]

oh right i forgot to change user again

[sharp wing]

never forget

[elder crane]

Again, that was UI update

[shy hazel]

[odd schooner]

idk whenever i change something on info my name gets wiped

[sharp wing]

The Great Calamity

The pvp wrecker

[finite valve]

that maint was a 10h one

[elder crane]

Unless new mechanics added no way they screw up that bad

[sharp wing]

EN can always fck upo you knoiw

[steep fog]

we still miss kets

[odd schooner]

there

[sharp wing]

[hot creek]

Sandy not being as competitive is true to a certain extent. Regardless, you're not gonna have a fun time getting gensui with a meme fleet like some might believe. I'm sure Avrora generally does have more tryhard fleets and sandbaggers but I doubt its much different. Theres still plenty of sandbaggers on Sandy. When it comes down to it, its just a population issue. I cannot get 2.6k+ points even if I wanted to because average scores are lower which limits getting +1's. I've done it once though, and so has daxam

[steep fog]

I just do pvp casually to rush gensui

need free merits

[finite valve]

i find this whole discussion about pvp being hardcore or not is stupid to say the least

[sharp wing]

I usually physically sleep before last reset in day

So i rarely go for EoS

[shy hazel]

blame the one who want to chnge pvp mechanics to make it hardcore

[sharp wing]

GMT time when

[shy hazel]

[odd schooner]

just add more rewards tbh

[sharp wing]

add gems

[odd schooner]

good stuff

[shy hazel]

new ssr every month on pvp

[odd schooner]

like oil

gold

[sharp wing]

[hot creek]

add PR BP and im satisfied.

[shy hazel]

[odd schooner]

pr bp ye

[ionic magnet]

just put oils and coins ffs and it will be 100x better

[sharp wing]

just put ANYTHING

full dock of purins doesn't motivate

[finite valve]

all i need in the pvp shop is bp ticket

[shy hazel]

put updates on pvp rewards

[finite valve]

where you buy the ticket and choose what gear bp you get from those

[shy hazel]

no french event unless u unlock it by pvp

[finite valve]

like PR general bp but for gear instead of PR

[odd schooner]

they also need to fix gold reward on some parts of the game

[ionic magnet]

or show last season's rank number above your icon or smth for flexing

[odd schooner]

like 3* clearing

[ionic magnet]

[finite valve]

going to sleep

you guys have fun discussing hardcore pvp

[shy hazel]

sleep is for losers

unless its maint

which is soon

[sharp wing]

maint is to grind other gacha

wdym

maint in sidegame

[modern tree]

Problem with updating rewards is that a lot of people that give a shit have like 100k merits sticked up. Peope on jp or cn probably have milions and it's just actually free stuff till the heat death of the universe

[elder crane]

Well with fleet tech I'm actually short on Bulins

Purins though I've like 20 with almost every SR MLB

[sharp wing]

same

bulins in more demand

[hot creek]

free rewards for long time pvp'ers. I wont complain

[sharp wing]

those 20 purins never go away

[midnight heron]

hey their fault for not playing pvp early

[sharp wing]

It's well deserved tbh

[hot creek]

hell it doesnt have to be much. just like 2 extra PR BP in the shop every reset or something

[shy hazel]

turns old merits to gems

[sharp wing]

[elder crane]

Gems ain't gonna happen

[shy hazel]

1gem 100 merits

[sharp wing]

1k

[lament lichen]

1 gem 1000000000000 merits k

[shy hazel]

[sharp wing]

1 sip 10k merits

[shy hazel]

anyways reset soon

tata

[sharp wing]

[elder crane]

Hmm, ship or at least equip skins would a good option maybe

[sharp wing]

rushing

old event weap skins

[elder crane]

Cosmetics

[sharp wing]

Fakkyu shells

[midnight heron]

buy ship affection

[cerulean estuary]

juneau must be the last survivor ship on pvp = 100 gems

[elder crane]

Collab ain't happening sadly

[sharp wing]

The only skins i actually like are collab ones

Nep plane skins

[elder crane]

Yeah, if only the Nep maps didn't have otherwise-trash drops

[sharp wing]

and well Fakkyu

well, if u spare gold for bawxes

skin boxes is another gacha

[elder crane]

Spare gold

Not during when that was a thing

[sharp wing]

same

[elder crane]

And the boxes were 7k each

[sharp wing]

But i managed tog et full set

1 for each slot

rerolled into Dax before reset

[shy hazel]

destroy and show pics

[sharp wing]

That will be traumatizing to yr mental health

Too much gore

[steep fog]

[modern tree]

I am sure 500 damage Hood barrage shells that miss half the time cuz Amagi will hurt your feelings

[sharp wing]

Might actually reroll into some rushers

But rushers should be at 0/10

So whatever

[cerulean estuary]

time to sleep for 8 hrs

[sharp wing]

BTW, you don't have hood on def fleet

[hot creek]

hey man, my Nagato got hardfucked by a flagship Hood the other day. don't knock on defending Hood.

[sharp wing]

I gambled with KagaBB actually vs bb comps

Made Amagi feel miserable

[vague token]

_>

[elder crane]

She's pretty legit
Should hit around as hard as Monarch when she procs her barrage iirc

[sharp wing]

She actually hits heavy armor, unlike amagi

[modern tree]

Oh right, I am running Warspite flag

[elder crane]

Which... Can be an issue with her coinflip %s

[sharp wing]

basically 2 naga fleet

rng wise

[modern tree]

I might even sink a ship with that

[hot creek]

I also got rekt by Blackie's HMS the other day. Hood/QE/Lusty + Belfast/Leander/Aurora. Granted I wasn't using full cancer namagi but still.

[sharp wing]

He's is HMS lover

[vague token]

xD

[modern tree]

Losing to Illustrious, how embarrassing

[sharp wing]

Hey, hey

[hot creek]

I was more amazed.

[sharp wing]

He looked her in the eyes

[hot creek]

and hopeful, than embarrased.

[vague token]

the eyes?

[elder crane]

Hmm, I'll have to keep an eye out
Cause HMSs have all been clear rollsnfor me

[vague token]

[elder crane]

"eyes"

[sharp wing]

The Eyes

[modern tree]

Calling Avrora hardcore when you don't have a tryhard HMS in top 10, smh

[vague token]

just barely got glorious an hour before patch

[sharp wing]

I droped her on 39th run

and ended event at 40

[elder crane]

55 and full 60 for me

[ionic magnet]

im the only hms user in top 50 here so

[elder crane]

Might as well go for full 60 when 55 anyways

[sharp wing]

Well, you never seen offense fleets

I just know that blackie is diehard HMS fan

He uses HMS everywhere

[ionic magnet]

yea and i assume theyre using better fleets unless i see it personally

[modern tree]

I can't blame him

[sharp wing]

He oath only HMS

All of em

[modern tree]

But I generally assume people run meme def cuz they feel bad for seeing reddit post complaining about tryhard def fleets every week

Or smthn

[sharp wing]

eh

[hot creek]

I adore Blackie

got nothing but the utmost respect for the man

[sharp wing]

I think i forgot to feed my Waifus...

[stark raft]

aw shit here we go again

[midnight heron]

[stark raft]

overslept on maint

[sharp wing]

Go continue sleep

[modern tree]

I guess Blackie is still a novelty. Y'all are tired of my shit already

[sharp wing]

eh

I mean, we are in same chat room most of time, so i know him long time

[coral wren]

caring about redditors complaints
Why would anyone give a fuck

[ionic magnet]

i mean hms has the most ||lewdable|| waifus so cant blame him

[shy hazel]

[sharp wing]

Siri l2d EN when

[shy hazel]

hms doesnt have space for top 10 avrora

blame hooloo for losing

a round

[sharp wing]

[ionic magnet]

hey i made it once

[sharp wing]

pics or didn't happen

[ionic magnet]

last last season

[shy hazel]

two seasons ago it hapen

[ionic magnet]

eh lazy to dig

[sharp wing]

well

[hot creek]

Well, he's always been as much of an HMS fan as you Daxam. And who saying you don't get any attention? There's a reason I call you Daxam senpai sometimes

I still try to stick with HMS as much as my sanity can handle.

[sharp wing]

Well, wasn't Dax using wasd

[shy hazel]

dax is hms what u talking about

if he stopped using qe he wont be daxam

[sharp wing]

[shy hazel]

hell be fake daxam

[hot creek]

Dax uses everything but he heart truly lies with HMS.

[sharp wing]

Well, my heart lies with uss so what

[shy hazel]

ny loyalty lies with what is most usable

your taste doesnt matter

[vague token]

xD

[sharp wing]

I mean Sodako was in my pvp fleet till June

Since October

Now i'm just too lazy to 120 more than 1 pvp team

which i don't have yet anyway

And since i don't use maxed ships in pve, i had close to 0 stored exp

[shy hazel]

limiting wht u use is always a,bad idea

look at kiro

saratoga everywhere

what a,cancer

[ionic magnet]

you have namagi right? then congrats youre set til next year

[hot creek]

well, once stored xp became a thing, there was no longer any reason to not use maxed ships lol

unless you were actually maxed.

I actually don't know who I want to level during french farm since I already leveled everything relevant

[odd schooner]

no oil packs this event

lmao

the only time a lot of ppl gonna tryhard

[shy hazel]

[ionic magnet]

wot really

[shy hazel]

ripperino

[ionic magnet]

and its 2 weeks only

[hot creek]

I guess i could level KGV and Bismarck but they are only lvl 90 which might be a problem

[shy hazel]

i guess -10k in my oil purchases

[odd schooner]

ye out of almost 1 year, this is probably the only time people will go all out

[hot creek]

whales gonna have to buy oil at the crappy rate

[odd schooner]

well first vdir everyone was enjoying hell

[coral wren]

Leveling kgv feels kinda satisfying.

[odd schooner]

i think only shikikan of lvl 110 is safe?

[hot creek]

yostar be like: we know you need the oil and no you're not getting an discounts nya

[odd schooner]

on 50 gem to oil conversion

[shy hazel]

grinding any bb bc with decent barrage

feels great

[ionic magnet]

all according to yostar plans

[odd schooner]

ah nvm, 105 is quite close to 2k oil

[shy hazel]

in the end

if u rly grind

youll run out of nice bbs to grind

within two months

[coral wren]

Not sure about kgv having a decent barrage, but two first waves of bullets work kinda well

[hot creek]

I've about 50k oil saved up from mail and EASY ROOKIE

[shy hazel]

i only have so few

[hot creek]

im sure some people have even more

i havent been buying trade license after my first two or so months of starting

[sharp wing]

i never did

doesn't work w/ f2p policy

[modern tree]

I always claimed mails as I needed them. Have only like 7 saved atm. Not like there's enough hours in a day to burn through it all while I am crunching

[hot creek]

let me run your account.

[steep fog]

I only have 17k oil in mail

get 11k oil and 3k in canteen

[vague token]

phoenix gonna sell account farming jk

[steep fog]

how many DD guns are u guys aiming for

[sharp wing]

1 from shop

[elder crane]

I swear you guys oversleep half the time

[hot creek]

just kidding. I don't trust myself to run anyone's account because I would feel bad if anything accidental happened to someone else's account.

[vague token]

well yeah

i gotta get my beauty sleep

[elder crane]

"accidental"

[sharp wing]

We had 'commune' accounts in some mmos in guilds for farming stuff

[ionic magnet]

oh theres 1 in shop?

[vague token]

[ionic magnet]

gonna have atleast two then

[elder crane]

Only makes sense for mmos cause trading, imo

[ionic magnet]

will try 3 tho

[sharp wing]

cause guild storage

[elder crane]

Samw difference

[modern tree]

I'd sonner run a nox script than make you do it. Nothing about trust, if I don't have time to do it myself, no one else does (for free anyway)

[elder crane]

Yeah I'll probs try to set one up myself too

Don't have the attention span otherwise

[shy hazel]

event comes back in a year

[sharp wing]

[shy hazel]

i was 3 for pvp

3 for somewhere else

[elder crane]

Just hope it isn't,
https://xkcd.com/1319/

xkcd: Automation

'Automating' comes from the roots 'auto-' meaning 'self-', and 'mating', meaning 'screwing'.

[hot creek]

well, it wouldn't add much to the workload. I'd just be running an extra window. its not like KC where you have to be paying full attention or else your girls literally fucking die.

[sharp wing]

Imagine yr waifu died

Suicide on spot

[elder crane]

Only choice is honurubu sudoku

[shy hazel]

dont worry

[sharp wing]

Unworthy shitkican

[hot creek]

it happens man. never happened to me cause I'm a god but I've seen streams where streamer killed his waifu. its sad and hilarious NGL.

[shy hazel]

2030 your phone ai will play the game for u

[sharp wing]

Did streamer break anything

[hot creek]

nah he was just so tired and sleepy which is the reason why he sunk his girl in the first place

[sharp wing]

That's sad

That's one of reasons you cannot recommend KC to ppl xd

Outside of it being a browser hybrid of darksouls and korean mmo

[shy hazel]

kc is a moefied glorified game of dice

[sharp wing]

But you always come back to it yrself like real masochist

Well, GBF hardcore players are not better

[hot creek]

I still miss KC for what it was everyonce in awhile but I don't regret quitting. I miss Akizuki sisters a lot too. They're fucking legit in KC. AL Yoizuki is cute though 👍

[sharp wing]

second work

KC Naga...

[hot creek]

KC is not all RNG as some would love to believe. Just think of it as AL Auto on steroids where you optimize everything for Auto.

[sharp wing]

It's just full auto with 0 refunds rerolls

[shy hazel]

when u see kc math

[sharp wing]

And you kill yr waifus

[shy hazel]

at least

kc has proper codes

but has potato ships

while al

[sharp wing]

[shy hazel]

has potato devs

and spaghetti codes

[hot creek]

lol no. KC is just as much of a shitshow as AL code.

its also funny cause when top rankers make fun of the devs in thier comment box

they get rank banned

[sharp wing]

Well, i even played some ghetto games, like warship girls, so

Nothing can amuse me

[vagrant veldt]

all sorts of problems with yongshi and manjuu cannot shake them off

[shy hazel]

so yawn

any gamebreaking thing in french event in your server?

[sharp wing]

eh

[vagrant veldt]

not noticeable on emulator

[shy hazel]

i mean gears or units

[vagrant veldt]

but apparently mobile experiences a lot of bugs atm

[sharp wing]

mobile often experience a lot of bugs, which emus don't

[shy hazel]

cnjp has new ssr

so whats the data on ru maran

[vagrant veldt]

problems with new gear/ships likely wont be found anytime soon since they put all their skill points into art

[shy hazel]

its like

the whitest white loli in the game yet

[vagrant veldt]

she is very cute if you could build her...

[shy hazel]

aya and nanoda are broken white loli dds

who knows they have bias on those types

[vagrant veldt]

there have not been any DDs close their power level since they were released

I think they gave up

[vague token]

xD

[shy hazel]

wait was ru maran

a dd again

or was it cl

in4 broken dd agahin cos color loli bias

and en doesnt get it

i should ask that loser zack later

👀

[sharp wing]

[jovial sedge]

Is there anywhere something as updated airpanda pvp guide to current new ships?

🤔 well is not from these dates, so i wondered if these new.ships where there gonna check

Ye well its not very updated

[blazing scroll]

Besides they need to be tested before they can be in there

Otherwise it would just be theorycrafting

[jovial sedge]

Well but in cn they got stuff we don't

But looking at that sad news for me thought wasde was good but this

Steange airpanda was writting u need 120and they will shine

Guess was lied

Dunno i had no problem with anything on 110

[blazing scroll]

If their barrages were better maybe

[jovial sedge]

But now 120 amagi nagato wtf

You dead before u start

[blazing scroll]

They often say skills > stats in pvp and guess what IJN has, both

[jovial sedge]

Shesh my murican fleet :/ i dont like using ijn for pvp

[blazing scroll]

So in other words Eagles need faction buffs

[jovial sedge]

Or if only hms was good

Ver?

Still 2 ships dunno wtf they did to muricans what i liked on them was exactly that solo strength of ships they didnt need any mass buff etc

Or combo mechanics

Also to oath lolies like nagato ... wtf thats against my princples as a human

[hot creek]

wait for EssexE idk how they'll fare against namagi but EssexE is hype

[real notch]

essex skin or taihou

[hot creek]

taihoe already has skin, gib essex

[ionic magnet]

hms is basically your 2nd choice if you dont want ijn. theyre not bad at all if you invest in them

[coral wren]

^
Just don't run hood with monarch

you definitely want kgv or ws to be there to comfort you when another 70% barrage bites the dust

[hot creek]

I still have hopes for this https://puu.sh/DFkQs/2544a87a63.png

but that was so long ago when JP was still nakaga mode

probably isn't that great in amagi era

[coral wren]

Yeah, me too. Do youthink aurora will fit in?

[hot creek]

#FuckAmagi

[coral wren]

For cent to have a better chance of hitting

[hot creek]

probably. No need for belfast really cause we're not facing foxes

well technically namagi are foxes themselves

but yeah lol

[coral wren]

Indeed. On the opposite side, +10% dmg to monarch prob won't make a huge difference, but i think she is there mainly to destroy enemy vg faster

[hot creek]

could even use Saint Louis

[jovial sedge]

Sad

So and murican fleet that classic with number one,saintlous,juneau wasd wont work?

Or what would be best best

Also would need to be less lazy and do that 2mil exp thing :/

[coral wren]

Eh, is anyone here still using wasda/e? I imagine them having problems with having low dmg. I remember cn had wasda being t0 team before nagato, but don't really know if it still works

[jovial sedge]

Sad...

I dont even got yukikaze cos bitch didnt drop waste 200cubes on her

[ionic magnet]

levelling ships to 120 is such a pain so it might take a while to test secondary fleets

i only saw 1 wasd in top50 defence team last last season so

[coral wren]

They should not care about hiryuu tho

[jovial sedge]

Ugh

Well pvp as always fucked by inbalance there should be at least 1 working fleet by each faction

[coral wren]

It seems that the only thing that defines working fleet atm is having a decent flagship with good faction buff

[sharp wing]

Balanced PVP: Ban all event ships

[buoyant parrot]

🥖

[sharp wing]

[coral wren]

Balanced PVP: Ban all event ships
Hms all over the place

[stark raft]

Offence advantage is there so you can beat any fleet anyway

[jovial sedge]

Its just every time i get to game its same thing all over, its like best not to care about pvp at all...

[sharp wing]

It's pretty pointless

aside when you need purins

[jovial sedge]

Ye well u need purins always cosabout ships keep coming

[sharp wing]

It's just it is only actual activity outside of dailies

cause, content in AL, you know

Well, actually i haven't bought purins from pvp shop for like 2 months now and my dock doesn't go below 20 of em

[jovial sedge]

Ye well but as always there is this bit setting some character , thing.you like and you would like to see them do good not get fucked by game inbalance

Its general mmo problem

[sharp wing]

this is pve waifu collector
what you expect

PVP is last thing devs care about

[jovial sedge]

Well ill try to lvl up my wasd see what happens i kinda didnt care much about namagi tbh thwy around 100lvl

[sharp wing]

well, even if you use wasd, you still sue Amagi

So might as well start lvling

[jovial sedge]

Nah i like her as character but fck her as inbalanced.op shit

[sharp wing]

[jovial sedge]

Ill be like that old men who never give up on his principles

It all about honor, i fought well

[steep fog]

amagi too OP

actually whats jp meta nowadays

[jovial sedge]

Warriors of Eagle Union, fight with your lives on the line

[sharp wing]

You mean keep calm and keep rerolling

[modern tree]

I strongly believe that wasd e with Helena is viable offense fleet

[jovial sedge]

I find that one as one of the toughest lines out there, really favorite fleets , would wish for hms with ark but ark is not as strong

[modern tree]

It will take me a long time to ger the pieces to 120 tho

And hey, Helena is getting a retro soon

[jovial sedge]

Hmm helena could try lvling em

[stoic skiff]

I have some question about pvp:

Are toolbox and oil tank useful?
On Battleships or Battlecruiser I usually put Belgun and Twin127, is that good or nah?
For Torpedoes Bombers it is better Sakura or Normal type?
I think it is all, I have something else I will ask

[jovial sedge]

What would u use as vanguard, helena loius junea?

[modern tree]

Louis Juneau Helena probably, yeah

[jovial sedge]

Hmm ok ill set that as my.prioirty now but with my experience helena wasnt doing much guess its all about rng

[modern tree]

This comp will always be about rng, so you might as well hedge your bets. If you get radar and lucky e, you are probably good. If you get radar and wash barrage, you are probably good. If you don't get anything, you cry

[jovial sedge]

Hmm

Will have to try

Some hope there also that mentioned helena reteo

[modern tree]

But generally you have 3 good procs to go with radar, wash barrage, lucky e and sodak focus

[jovial sedge]

But wanted to use sandy

[modern tree]

So if you can make Helena survive 40 seconds, then the comp might work on offense

It's mostly theorycraft tho

Believe in your waifus.

[ionic magnet]

@stoic skiff toolbox is a common aux for VGs along with boiler pearl bulge fire ex. you want atleast 1 oil tank on your CVs unless you're using 2 or more CVs in which case 2 catas are an option. triple152 aka nepgun are the new BiS aux guns.

[stoic skiff]

The AP one? I mean is the only one so yes

For BB/BC who can't equip CL guns, 127mm is the best?

[sharp obsidian]

Does anyone have any experience in using Jean Bart for a quick offensive fleet in JP/CN? How reliably can she one shot the enemy VG? 😮

[steep fog]

prolly whiff hard

[coral wren]

It's a random

But if i remember correctly, there was some fellas who used her in hms instead of qe

And that was quite successful

[ionic magnet]

yea nepgun is AP

[stoic skiff]

My pvp fleet Enterprise, Hood, Amagi, Sandy, Belfast and Aurora, how bad is it?

[ionic magnet]

for DD guns, theres the new french gun but im not exactly sure how good it is on killing VGs

[stoic skiff]

With vanguard being fast and gun shotting one bullet and with a big spread, I don't think it is good?

[ionic magnet]

replace sandy with jun/ykkz and it prolly can work

do you have nagato? just use her if you can

[stoic skiff]

Yeah I have her, I wanted to do her for Izumo but I didn't

I can replace Sandy with Yuki

[ionic magnet]

nagato+amagi+hood/enty then 👌

check tierlist in pins also if you want

[stoic skiff]

For now it will do just replacing Sandy with Yuki, I don't really have them lvled for pvp (Nagato and many other good for pvp are low and need to level up skills too, red one are hell to do )

After the maint ends I could sent screenshot of my dock

[modern tree]

Guide im pins should give you plenty of ideas of what to do tbh

[ionic magnet]

i just gotta say having nagato and not using her is a crime

[stoic skiff]

I can care less for pvp but I want have solid income of merit, Bulins, T4s and Cubes aren't bad. Now I am doing questline of many ships and before Nagato get done I need a lot of red skill books.

[jovial sedge]

pff using nagato i dont like lolies in this game : / also if ure fotm bitch ><

[wicked rivet]

named ark royale
doesnt like lolis
are you okay?

also wtf are you saying in that second part

nani

[ionic magnet]

LOL

anyways im just saying nagato+amagi comps are by far the best fleet you can use

[steep fog]

just let me in so I can raise jb

EN is just nagato + amagi + w/e

[jovial sedge]

would write it like this... nagato itself is not extremly popular waifu ... now divide it by that specifil low % of people who care and do pvp and then ask yourself honestly how many of those use her just cos of bis ... same goes for amagi +- .... and dunno why I couldnt like ark but not lolies

also i dont understand the logic behind someone getting offended being fotm whore... people do it, not all but mostly do... pick what's most op and then their are shocked -_-

but thats off topic as it goes so im out

[coral wren]

ark has amazing design but as a character she is a pedo lesbian, so... that's a bummer

[jovial sedge]

Would polemise about that... but thats for a long talk

[ionic magnet]

We talk objectively here so if you want to use your waifus, go ahead its your choice. But it doesn't change the fact that nagato+amagi comps has the highest winrates right now by far.

and in what world is nagato not popular 👀

[coral wren]

Yep. Unless you want to end up in a reset loophole like me everytime you face that same fotm comp

[crisp sage]

I remember when someone said that Amagi wasn't overloaded and that she wasn't as OP as people thought

Now she is part of the most dominant pvp meta for EN atm

[elder crane]

Yeah, that was during her initial leak of skills
Which had even higher-% stat reduction and evarate buff

[crisp sage]

Glad that didn't go through

[elder crane]

I'm proud(?) to say I correctly called that "that's fricken broken af"

[coral wren]

Daxxam was one of the first who thought her buffs are weak

[elder crane]

Tho half of the people who had any clue realized she was broken af

[coral wren]

But then everyone saw what that monstrosity is capable of

[crisp sage]

Can't wait for Yamato to be even worse

And somehow have 4 skills

[coral wren]

She should take x2 more dmg from cvs

[jovial sedge]

Thats rathwr.long talk i dont want to be dragged to, maybe in future thet break this broken shit with new ships, its kinda expected

[shy hazel]

amagi is still the most retarded bc in the game

even retarded than most bbs

tho i think anyone who knows pvp knows this is common sense

[steep fog]

her 15% eva buff and enemy debuff is ???

also that nutty barrage with 70%

♿

[elder crane]

10% evarate after devs woke up

[coral wren]

She is so cancer she dies in her own event

[midnight heron]

10 pulls no dunkek on both acc im sad

[buoyant parrot]

god freaking damn it I keep getting Jean Bart

[shell heron]

Im happy with 40 pulls.

[ionic magnet]

60 pulls got all but jean bart

here we go again

[buoyant parrot]

omg... why is Massachusetts avoiding me

[ionic magnet]

meanwhile i got 3x massas

[wicked rivet]

i got massa on first roll

[shell heron]

Same except for dunk. Its a sign. I needed to buy that skin

[wicked rivet]

somebody has a 15k torp meme vg

[buoyant parrot]

I guess no sleeping today

I need to drain the 24k oil I currently have

[wicked rivet]

oh god

have fun

[buoyant parrot]

I know

I have 5k in mail

😭

welp better prepare for some list of doujins to read...

time for some high impact sexual reading

[stoic skiff]

First or last set?

[elder crane]

Either is fine
first I'd say probs better

[wicked rivet]

cuda's have good touchdown dmg

[elder crane]

and Enty TB eff isn't high either, and cudas are faster to launch
but, with the limited dmg from her 2 TBs (even boosted by skill), focusing it with Ryuusei isn't a terrible option either

[coral wren]

Wtf, i love ws now. She feels so much better than hood

[steep fog]

lads whats your jb lvl

[finite valve]

1

[stoic skiff]

-1 for now

[odd schooner]

32

I'm gonna sleep now tho

And do pvp

[finite valve]

d map is tomorrow?

[stoic skiff]

Yes

[vague token]

oh... they took down the glorious collection tab

=/

i got to 60/60 right before maintenance

[buoyant parrot]

Aw sad d stage are not yet open

[finite valve]

i sleep through the whole 8h maint

so good for me

[vague token]

oh

uh

are we supposed to be able to buy 15 quads and 15 138 singles?

cause that's what it shows on the shop lol

convenient but that's weird

[elder crane]

they're bps

[vague token]

oh

[elder crane]

not the actual equip

[vague token]

=/

why would they change the store style

from before lol

[finite valve]

only riris got that problem

pirates don't play by the rule

[vague token]

xD

[vague token]

i suppose

the advantage of bps

means you can get a lucky drop

and get the gun earlier

compared to saving up full price

[finite valve]

2.5k can easily be farm in 1 day lel

[vague token]

i know xD

i only mean it's more casual friendly

[finite valve]

implying casual going to care about min maxing

[modern tree]

The guns aren't really needed to farm

[finite valve]

most casual i see just wait till last day of event to rush farm

[vague token]

[finite valve]

good for min maxing for everything else just use 127mm or 120mm

zzz

[modern tree]

Don't say that around Kiro, he got Glorious within last hour

[finite valve]

[modern tree]

Extra fp is unlikely to make your Portland/Minnie clear faster, yea. Shit is just for minmax, so old lady Hood can maybe hurt things with barrage

[vague token]

i didnt get glorious

i hit 60/60

went to sleep

[finite valve]

and flexing your 12+ guns to those 3 guns pleb

[vague token]

and found out i cant collect

after patch

[finite valve]

what are you a filthy casual?

[vague token]

yes

i am a casual

xD

[modern tree]

That's the biggest rip. At least they save your progress for rerun/perma

[finite valve]

got 3 drop from sp3 and 1 from 60 runs

tfw you busy lvl PR ships your minne is still 100

[vague token]

oh, it saves it?

whew

[finite valve]

eh no?

[vague token]

?_?

[finite valve]

if rerun happen you need to refarm those 60 sp3 run

to get glorious

[vague token]

why must you torture me

[modern tree]

It saves, wtf

[finite valve]

is that true since i don't play JP

[modern tree]

they dont really "rerun" those, they just make them perma with the pool that you have had when they ended so you can't farm another set of rewards. I am pretty certain.

[finite valve]

that's not what i would call "save" lel

that's called wasting cubes

[vague token]

[empty sinew]

if it even "saves", u just gotta wait another year for the rerun

no biggie

[finite valve]

[vague token]

is montpelier the ship with the highest aux gun efficiency

xD

[modern tree]

Monty has only 75%

[vague token]

who gets higher on vanguard

minne is 70