pvp

[sharp wing]

i noticed

[elder crane]

I've almost two gold sonars too
And I've 3 purple charges :P

Tbh 3-3-3-3 is the better pattern imo

[sharp wing]

i wish Mle was 1x3 rather 3x1

[elder crane]

The doubling up just causes so much overkill

[sharp wing]

if you run ca w/ dd fast speed Mle misses half shots

[elder crane]

And it means both shots 90% target same enemy for PvE

Aka the same suicide boat

[shell heron]

damn, MacroCosmos moved but he's only 34p ahead

[lament lichen]

I need him for my third bonus

[coral wren]

yeah, just when you need a barrage, it doesn't proc

what a phenomenal garbage hms is..

[ionic magnet]

lmao

well i'll never recommend it if you have nagato and amagi

[coral wren]

i mean, i'm stuck with this shit becauase i need oil for frenchies and i can't spare some for leveling amagi and nagato

[ionic magnet]

you can save your sanity tho

[coral wren]

yeah, hms is actually a fucking garbage

[ionic magnet]

i wont go that far

more like namagi is just cancer

[coral wren]

I'm not even sure who i hate the most, 70% fucking me in the ass every single time or qe being an utter garbage that's only value is 15%

Nah, when you have to gamble 2 times in a row every single time

it's shit

[ionic magnet]

ah yea i benched monarch cos of that

[coral wren]

you miss 1 barrage

you lose

i mean, to defend this shit you really have to be a brainwashed shill

[ionic magnet]

well, its still better than foxes i think? (atleast on lv 110 it is)

[coral wren]

i don't think so, never played foxes but if there si no rnadom with them then nah

[ionic magnet]

its still rng cos of nagato/amagi barrage and highly depends if you can wipe enemy VG

[elder crane]

Foxes was very low RNG afaik

[coral wren]

And yeah, that's reaallly fucking suspicious how hood's 70% is more consistent than that of monarch

really fucking makes you think

[elder crane]

Ehh not really at the low levels of ships that the foxes meta was for

You could reliably wipe with just airstrikes at 100, wasn't til 110 that issues started appearing (and the ships that came in the meantime)

[sharp wing]

[ionic magnet]

yea im only talking about namagis at 110

[elder crane]

Well now foxes are super rng considering they'll lose outright much more often

[ionic magnet]

if you cant wipe VG before 2nd airstrike then its p much a reset unless something weird happens

[elder crane]

RNG cause your enemy is RNG mostly

Namagi gets off barrages, RIP foxes

their VG does the god plays, RIP foxes

[ionic magnet]

and its really hard to wipe VGs fast now

[coral wren]

Is +20% main gun efficiency being strong enough?

[sharp wing]

OwO, some1 on my list pushed top1 right on reset

[ionic magnet]

+20% efficiency is like getting 20 raw fp

except fp can be boosted by skills and all

[elder crane]

Hmm, wasn't me was it

Also won a mirror with a 1 HP amagi

[wicked rivet]

[elder crane]

I know it's 1 HP since she burned down to 0 damage fire ticks :P

[coral wren]

so it's kinda worhtless then

huh

[ionic magnet]

ill never understand how fire ticks cant kill

[elder crane]

+20% eff on what again?

[coral wren]

main gun

[elder crane]

For who?
Since the multiplier is FP+100 20% eff is worth at least like 20 FP... on a near-0 FP ship :P

[coral wren]

monarch

[elder crane]

And FP boosting skills benefit from more gun efficiency themselves, so +efficiency and the equivalent before-buff +FP are almost the same (actually favouring the +efficiency iirc)

Well on monarch 20% efficiency should be worth around 100 FP soooo

[coral wren]

ah

[sharp wing]

The higher the fp, the greater the value of efficiencies

esp if there big fp buffs

[elder crane]

Compared to the equivalent FP absolute amount, yep

[ionic magnet]

20 fp gives +0.2 multiplier no? i dont see how efficiencies affect it

[sharp wing]

it's (fp+100)/100

So with 0 base FP yes

But that's not the case

efficiencies is independent multiplier

[ionic magnet]

ah yea depends on base fp

[elder crane]

If you have 400 FP, 120% eff compared to 100% is equivalent，with no other effects, to +100 FP

[sharp wing]

And boosting big multipliers bring diminishing returns, compared to boosting lower multipliers

[elder crane]

Less if your eff was originally above 100% btw

Just rescale by a factor to set reference efficiency to 100% though for easy calculations

Well, not that that's much of an easy calculation itself tbf

[sharp wing]

I mean, this formulas are pretty much same in any game

Once you get to know which boosts bring more profit

[elder crane]

Yeah, you eventually gain a bit of intuition for it even if you don't crunch numbers

Though I still prefer doing some quick estimates to check

[sharp wing]

Boosting % values, like efficiencies, always preferable, when numbers become big

Tho usually it brings more trouble with games w/ weapon grids

[elder crane]

So basically, going back to the point, the high gun eff on Monarch is a pretty big deal

[ionic magnet]

we're using this right?

[sharp wing]

roughly

[elder crane]

Yep

[ionic magnet]

20 fp gives +0.2 multiplier regardless of base no?

[elder crane]

Well to specifically one term yes, but if the term is already 5x +0.2 is not much

[ionic magnet]

well its still 0.2 of base gun dmg

[elder crane]

Weapon eff is a different term, where the value is only x1.3 or so, and so +0.2 is a big deal on final damage

[sharp wing]

Here you always consider multipliers values, and it will not be 0.2

[ionic magnet]

both gives +0.2 tho?

[sharp wing]

with 0 FP yes

in vacuum

[elder crane]

Here is an example
5x2x100=1000
6x2x100=1200
5x3x100=1500

[sharp wing]

in space

[ionic magnet]

with 1000 fp its still true

[sharp wing]

without a ship

[elder crane]

So it matters a lot which term you put it on

(I fixed my example formatting)

a +1 on a 2 multi matters a lot more than a +1 on a 5 multi

[sharp wing]

always boosting greater multiplier is worse

[elder crane]

So even though both multiplier increases are +1, the final "effective multiplier" is much higher if you boost the lower multiplier

Since FP multiplier is much higher than weapon eff multiplier on BBs, boosting the eff multiplier has a much greater effect on final damage

Considering final damage, that means you need a much larger FP boost to match a eff boost

[sharp wing]

If we take low FP DD, then it will be reverse

[elder crane]

Well it'd have to be ridiculously low

[sharp wing]

Tho that won't really happen, cause low FP dd, will have low weap eff msot likely

[elder crane]

Weapon effs rarely go above 150% which means the stat would be below 50 to see reversal

And nothing has stats quite that bad for a high efficiency weapon

[sharp wing]

bulin

[elder crane]

But bulin eff is low too iirc

[sharp wing]

100%

[elder crane]

If you have 100% or lower eff the reversal never happens

Since the multiplier scales with stat+100

reversal on 1% eff being worth more than 1 pt of the relevant stat, to clarify

[sharp wing]

Well, on lvl 1 boat it happens, but who cares

basically in AL there will not be situation with reverse

So eff always better

[elder crane]

Oh man trumpu renamed his Akaga to his old WaSDA names

I thought he stopped since that fleet isn't a wall at all anymore

Run the new wall team, scrub

[coral wren]

Meh, it seems i have to bench monarch till she reaches dev lvl 30

@ionic magnet Have you changed your comp? Like, adding aurora and qe

[ionic magnet]

i tried swapping belfast with aurora and its not that much different tbh

but ill test some more when i find a maxed namaryuu

for qe not yet cos shes still 114

[coral wren]

That's weird, having 20% reduced dodge on enemies should be noticeable

[ionic magnet]

yea well it depends if my BBs will aim VGs in the end

[sharp wing]

You'll need to have airstrike or good torps for that to be effective really

[ionic magnet]

and its p much another layer of rng

[elder crane]

If it's your VG chewing them up mostly then the better stats on Bel might cancel out aurora debuff

Maybe you'll see bigger diff with more PR152

Do you have 1 of those on your BBs yet?

[ionic magnet]

Gun Dmg = 133
Eff = 1.3

Final Dmg    = 133 x Slot Efficiency x ((100 + FP) / 100) x abc
        = 133 x 1.3 x ((100+500)/100)
        = 133 x 1.3 x 6.0
        = 1037.4

Base FP = 500
Gun Dmg = 133
Eff = 1.5

Final Dmg    = 133 x Slot Efficiency x ((100 + FP) / 100) x abc
        = 133 x 1.5 x ((100+500)/100)
        = 133 x 1.5 x 6.0
        = 1197

Base FP = 520
Gun Dmg = 133
Eff = 1.3

Final Dmg    = 133 x Slot Efficiency x ((100 + FP) / 100) x abc
        = 133 x 1.3 x ((100+520)/100)
        = 133 x 1.3 x 6.2
        = 1071.98

Base FP = 500
Gun Dmg = 133
Eff = 1.3

1197    = 133 x Slot Efficiency x ((100 + FP) / 100) x abc
1197    = 133 x 1.3 x ((100+FP)/100)
FP = 592.31```

yea +0.2 on eff is around 100 FP for a base 500fp bote mb

[elder crane]

Eyy nice to see my estimation skills are still on point

[ionic magnet]

pr 152 is nepgun right?

still only 1 rn

[elder crane]

Yep, imo should see a solid diff with those, probably
I feel like I almost never lose VG fights anymore with just one on my namayuu

[ionic magnet]

i fought vy last night actually and got ~30% wr with aurora
but too sleepy to do another 15-20 resets with belfast
so its p much a useless test

also my VGs are still underlevelled

[wicked rivet]

if Calendar's fleet could stop getting perfect nagato rng

that would be great

[modern tree]

Calling QE useless still in 2019

[shy hazel]

what

is qe useful in 2020

[modern tree]

QE with her own buff and BIS gear reaches FP 570 (+74) AA 310 (+40) RLD 176 (+23) EVA 98 (+13) on an 8k HP BB while buffing Monarchs 145% efficency main gun to 652 FP

Looks good to me, I dont know.

I really dislike Hood because shes just a pretty expensive way to proc Hiryuu fast, but I have never had a problem with QE

[elder crane]

And don't forget FP buffs also buffs Barrages

[modern tree]

I mean, mere fact that QE with her own buff heavily outstats Hood should be a tell that she isn't trash. Obviously the more HMS ships you use the better she is. Complaining about her existence when she makes Monarch alone truly fucking ridiculous while having higher evasion than CLs on 8k hp and heavy armour is just weird to me.

[elder crane]

Well Hood's stats aren't exactly stellar
if she didn't have that barrage she'd be pretty trash

[modern tree]

at lvl120 she kinda is trash, barrage or not

BC stat growth is fucking horrid

she doesnt have FP to make use of the barrage

and Amagi makes like half of her projectiles miss 🎉

[elder crane]

Huh, didn't notice, Amagi's stat growths, while better than Hood's, aren't great either

not as good as the BBs it seems

[modern tree]

Amagi has a BB baseline

Hood doesnt

Ther's actually no reason to call Amagi a BC unless you are a history buff or want to be anal about her md Armour

[odd schooner]

She thicc

[elder crane]

Weeeeell
The med armour is kinda important since her HP is no better than BBs
She doesn't get much more eva either, so she only matches the BBs stat-wise offensively
And ofc her secondaries are 180 instead of 200 eff, a 10% damage loss (or a 15% loss relative to 210 if you're Nagato cause #IJNbias)

it's only vs torps (and aerial ones too) that med does better than Heavy, vs gunfire and bombs it's worse (ranging from slightly worse to muuuch worse) and vs the rest it doesn't matter

[vague token]

big mamie coming soon. too bad she doesnt count saint louis for her skill =////////

[coral wren]

@steep fog when are you going to push?

[steep fog]

I rushed already

[coral wren]

fuck man..

[steep fog]

[coral wren]

[steep fog]

[coral wren]

I'm basically held hostage there, pretty sure those two rushed as well and the last one prob doesn't give a fuck

[vague token]

lol

[sharp wing]

my 1st slot 33 diff...

[coral wren]

Hm, i wonder if there will be a chance of insta deleting enemy vg with jean, kgv and aurora

[sharp wing]

not really

also jean gun shoots not like 356

[sharp wing]

lol, somehow my Bel is lowest lvl vg

Even Junie got ahead

[real notch]

yo

hiryuu amagi enterprise

legit comp?

[wicked rivet]

Its time

5 exercises left still

Rank 10

Took a 9 and 23 off r1

He has the high ground

[modern tree]

Hiryuu Amagi Enterprise has all md armour and will absolutely die to 1 Nagato proc

[real notch]

but ent procs when nagato procs

assuming u don't have HFCR on nagato

which you shouldn't if u have amagi

[wicked rivet]

"Its over Athenakin, I AM the high ground"

I have hfcr on nagato cause amagi already gets an early salvo from ijn

[modern tree]

In which world does 381 shoots slow enough for Enterprise to take off

[wicked rivet]

Legit takes until my second amagi salvo gets hit with E

[modern tree]

Nagato without FCR can legit barrage into Sendai flare. I am not dissing the comp, but I am pointing out a pretty glaring problem of "if Nagato procs just once then you are probably dead"

[wicked rivet]

omae wa mou shindeiru

[modern tree]

and you'd need 2ijn + Aurora VG

[wicked rivet]

NANI

[modern tree]

I mean, I suppose you can put Hiryuu flag, but I am still not sure how do you make the VG work because you probably can't afford running double slow CV without Aurora cuz Ykkz will just wall you

[sharp wing]

Weak.

[sharp wing]

Is this fate

It so happens, i also dev her atm, due to Nyaga/Amagi lvling

[hot creek]

cursed image

[real notch]

@modern tree yea hiryuu was flag

when i mentioned the comp i mentioned it in the placing order

[shy hazel]

so yuno is highground

thank you for the bonus points

[wicked rivet]

Im not highground

Im yuno

It was a meme

[coral wren]

Alex, friendo, wake up. I need that +1

[shy hazel]

bummer

anyways

my scorr is too high

ill prolly eat lots of 9s and 8s later

well moreso for fam vy and others

[vague token]

oh, i managed to sneak enough bonus points to hit 10th

after being down like -5 games xD

woo!

[wicked rivet]

Tfw the two leftmost people are both 10 below you

[sharp wing]

Well, you don't even needs bonus, cause ppl just get walled by 9s and don't want to eat them

[wicked rivet]

That where im stuck

Until next reset in 1.5 hours

Out of refreshes

[sharp wing]

GG

I'm waiting if my leftmost moves, cause we have 32 diff

just gonna start pushing 30 mins till reset anyway, cause getting walled by some RNG

[wicked rivet]

If I got all +9 I could tie for first rn

2509

[shy hazel]

its commin sense to save all resets until the last important charge

[wicked rivet]

True but I did resets at lile 4am cause im dumb and didnt realize it was today

[shy hazel]

at this point u use resets do dodge 8 9

well

[wicked rivet]

Plus ive never been able to actually get first this close to the end

[shy hazel]

godspeed on last reset later then

[wicked rivet]

So this is new to me

Ty

You too fam

[shy hazel]

bunch of 8 9 later

[wicked rivet]

[shy hazel]

how many charges eill u even have

after reset

5/10?

or 10/10

dead season

ill land in top 23 if i finish 3 rounds

before i reach that i risk meeting

lower ranked ppl

ofc using all rounds is worse

so i guess lots of 8 9 to feed nevertheless

[shell heron]

You still did better than me this season. My leftmost person moved, but 32 pts

Its fine since I'm sandbagging til season end anyways

[coral wren]

don't know if +5 lvls will make a big diff but qe doesn't tank a shit

[shell heron]

Is your qe 115? I'm sure I remember there being something like a 1% extra dmg taken per level difference

[coral wren]

Ye. Hm, if there is a level difference dmg that would explain something

[ionic magnet]

its 2% per level diff iirc just like in pve

[shell heron]

I forgot was it 1 or 2%. 2% would make a good difference if it's 120 vs 115 qe

[sharp wing]

2% per lvl

caps out at 25 lvl diff for total 50%

Also it works both ways, increasing damage dealt and decreasing damage received

So you both deal +2% damage and take 2% less damage per lvl diff

Or in this case being lower lvl you deal 2% less damage and recive 2% more damage per lvl diff

Lol, fought leftmost guy, got him leftmost again after fight

[shell heron]

That's a +0 reset

[shy hazel]

@lime rivet

time to do your rounds

im rank 36 u is 88

i need alot of charges

[wicked rivet]

potato gave me a +1

nice

[vague token]

let me know if you get me

[wicked rivet]

what rank are you?

[vague token]

i was 10th just a bit before cause i wanted merits

lower now of course xD

[shy hazel]

sane paul tsukiyomi syanda

all bad picks in my deck

[vague token]

56th atm just looked

[lime rivet]

Lul my runs are going to be terrible

[vague token]

xD

[wicked rivet]

ahh rip I got 54th

[vague token]

rip

[wicked rivet]

same syanda

and apprently

[shy hazel]

cos this round is terrible

scores are too low

[wicked rivet]

no +1

[shy hazel]

its bad for people who has 0 losses

[wicked rivet]

was 25 ahead not 35

I had 2 loss and still shit

[lime rivet]

I'm at 2469

Most i'd get is 2519 after exhausting my runs, and that's frankly a stretch. I usually just eat 8s and 9s at the end of season

[coral wren]

that's why it's better to save refreshes for the last push

[lime rivet]

I'm not a ranker, I just farm merits

[coral wren]

So unlucky, some guy rushed and barely got 20 points ahead of me

[shy hazel]

tis fine

its my insurance if no one moves

at least i can move forward with a full 10

than a 9

[lament lichen]

lol famine

[lime rivet]

Well ain't that a bruh moment

@shy hazel done runs, 2521

[shy hazel]

domo desu

waiting games begin

gunning for top 10 as usual

famine's score is too high

he's top 1 this early

lol

or maybe theres that 1% chnce he's giving up

i cant imagine it happening tbh

[lime rivet]

No surprises

[shy hazel]

@lament lichen

how many charges

does fam still have

well not like im aiming for t1

[shell heron]

@vague token this you?

[lime rivet]

I got my aotn this season, so i'm satisfied

[ionic magnet]

missed 1 charge

ill just rush in an hr

[lament lichen]

famine should be at 0/10

i know he missed some attacks 3 days ago

[shy hazel]

[lament lichen]

he already pushed rank 1 awhile back

[shy hazel]

guess t1 is free for all

[ionic magnet]

woah famine missing attacks

blasphemy

[lament lichen]

he probalby got stuck fighting someone

[shy hazel]

i think kamita quit pvp but dunno really

i dont see him

[lament lichen]

kamita is there

[empty grove]

I overslept

[ionic magnet]

i still see kamita

[empty grove]

[shy hazel]

oh famine here

[empty grove]

Missed 4

[ionic magnet]

oh youre the famine

[shy hazel]

gj

[ionic magnet]

[lime rivet]

I wonder if I should ask yamato to code a nimi command to ping this channel 15 mins before each reset or something

[shy hazel]

vy will prolly gun for t1 then

lol

tis fine really

[ionic magnet]

oh that would be cool syanda

[lime rivet]

I know one of my other servers has that function - opt in ping, bot pings you 15 mins before each pvp reset

[shy hazel]

im planning to make auto ping bot

in our discord

lazy to tho

i think it should be another role or club other than pvp tho lol

if we gon make it here

Fam teach us the way of the sandbag

[empty grove]

Don't oversleep

[coral wren]

daaaamn, second +1

[wicked rivet]

nobody moving

[shell heron]

Damn, 2489 10/10

Unless its a dead season. Top 10 sounds unlikely

[sharp wing]

2472, missed 2 tix

[lament lichen]

Its dead season

[coral wren]

i can get like 2576, but... unless someone pushes it's gonna be -1

[sharp wing]

Actually for Sandy it's not as bad, as previous 2 seasons

[wicked rivet]

I'd be happy with a few more +10s this season

[sharp wing]

But already see ded seasons ahead

[coral wren]

because of 120 cap?

[sharp wing]

Think it will only get more lively in Autumn

It's always like this in summer tbh

[shy hazel]

its a dead season cos alot of ppl didnt pvp

[wicked rivet]

once everyone has 120 fleets it'll pick up more

and the event rush has died down

[coral wren]

or summer time and weebs are enjoying their vacation

[finite valve]

is going to be deader when iris hit

[wicked rivet]

true

[finite valve]

everyone farming d2

[coral wren]

is exp there good?

[wicked rivet]

2513 and 5 left

[sharp wing]

Well, 1st few days of big event there always shitton of ppl

even few 1st rooms are full

That's pretty low

Well, i'm usually not even awake past last season reset

As most of EU ppl

[shell heron]

But thats the fun part of sandbagging. Waiting to see who gets rank 1

[wicked rivet]

im gonna be 1

[sharp wing]

So rush all 9/8 before or right after last reset

[wicked rivet]

in

15 mins

[finite valve]

wait till 2 AM to see who is rank 1

yeh nty

[shell heron]

What? You dont want that 5m of glory

Or in last season's case

30s of glory

[sharp wing]

More like 30 sec

[finite valve]

eh i rather not destroy my body in the future tyvm

[wicked rivet]

lmfao

last season was crazy

[sharp wing]

Future? what future

[wicked rivet]

holy shit

went from 6

now have 2

and gotten someone higher every time

[sharp wing]

It's a TRAP

[wicked rivet]

we goin up bois

idc

I want my r1

aint gonna get another +1 before i have to sleep

and sandbagged too much anyways

[sharp wing]

When sandbag meets sandwall

[shell heron]

I would move, but kiroshima, kamui, and supremacy refuse to move

Is that a sandwall?

[sharp wing]

[wicked rivet]

oh FUCK

rank 42 person now

is gonna be -2

[sharp wing]

Told you it's a trap

[wicked rivet]

rank 2

hekc

[sharp wing]

No refreshes?

[shell heron]

Early rush sounds good until you get a really low rank

[wicked rivet]

nope

not like I'd have any better rush later

[sharp wing]

That's why early rush often fail

[wicked rivet]

now just hopefully someone moves a bit

[sharp wing]

You get some1 who rushed early as well

[wicked rivet]

got 5 +0 in a row

[vague token]

did someone summon me

xD

i got 5 stocked if you want me to use em

[shell heron]

You're my leftmost person

[vague token]

ok

[shy hazel]

when seasons are dead

[vague token]

im down 5 matches so ill use em

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

one moment please

[shy hazel]

no bonus is better than minus bonus

remember that

[shell heron]

[cerulean estuary]

specially on the last 5 or 10 attempts

[sharp wing]

Guys refresh fast to get Kiro

[shy hazel]

sane paul and syanda used charges alrdy

wont move still

prolly ill get matched with a low ranker

if i move even once

[sharp wing]

When peeveepee is dead inside

Oh hey, at least Glo came home at 39th run

Saving more oil for baguette

[shell heron]

What oil? I still need to do 7-2 runs for gold

[sharp wing]

[wicked rivet]

[finite valve]

[sharp wing]

RIP

[finite valve]

most likely iris at thursday

[sharp wing]

Sure

[finite valve]

already at gold cap

[wicked rivet]

o shit hooloo

[sharp wing]

I always have some retroes to dump rupees on

[wicked rivet]

just kinda

crushed everyone

[finite valve]

i done all my kai a long time ago

[sharp wing]

I don't even have Jin yet

[vague token]

man that hood cannot kill sara at all lol

[wicked rivet]

same

[ionic magnet]

done for the season rip

[wicked rivet]

nice season hooloo

[ionic magnet]

got lucky i didnt eat any +8

if only i havent missed a charge

[wicked rivet]

i just used my last one for +8 but ill do better next season

missed 2 here

[shell heron]

That explains it. You were ahead of my by 4 the other day

[ionic magnet]

my last fight i got the rank 2

[wicked rivet]

wait

me?

[sharp wing]

Probably after you

[ionic magnet]

no theres another guy

[wicked rivet]

famine?

[ionic magnet]

you were 3rd that time iirc

[wicked rivet]

nice

so it was munst

[ionic magnet]

yea him

[shell heron]

I wonder if switching to a meme fleet will help people want to move

[vague token]

Cay, i did 5 attacks

get your +1

[shell heron]

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

[shy hazel]

gdi

kiro shouldve been in my list

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

Kiro should be on Sandy

In my list

[vague token]

i should be on all servers

feeding people points

at the same time

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

everyone at once

xD

[shell heron]

That 117 sanrui

[sharp wing]

Well, i see 117+ neps in non QE fleets, tho

Seen 120 sanrui on Sandy

OwO found 120 dev 30 Nep

Some1 spent some cubes on projects

[vague token]

owo

[shell heron]

Seeing as there's dev30 monarchs already. Probably

[shy hazel]

would have been proud of him/her if it was louis

[sharp wing]

[lament lichen]

Rename her to headnod

[sharp wing]

Pls no

[shy hazel]

my nep also oathed

[shell heron]

Good idea, I'll do that when I oath my nep

[sharp wing]

Dedication.

[vague token]

wow

xD

[sharp wing]

They guy has oathed Nep, but i have him on blocklist, cause he always invades room and spam [headnod] for 10 mins...

[wicked rivet]

[ionic magnet]

lmao

[wicked rivet]

[vague token]

hmm, 2 days for 48 sp3 runs

HMM

[sharp wing]

My Glo droped on 39th

So i'm FREE

[coral wren]

Fuck, i don’t wanna eat +8

[shell heron]

Moving early is a bait

[vague token]

wait until 10 minutes before

get walled by bad rng

lose everything

jk

[sharp wing]

Sandwalled

[vague token]

xD

[sharp wing]

[coral wren]

Cmon, you can’t lose when using namagi

[sharp wing]

No shit

[vague token]

eh ive gotten quite a few -3 big sevens

[sharp wing]

I mean, 120 RNG is real

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

It's not even about Big7

[shy hazel]

got glorious in 27th

wtv

nothing to do now

lazy to do w12

[sharp wing]

I do sp3 for low lvl aff farm

[vague token]

save for french event

acquire guns

[sharp wing]

Tho I prolly stop at 40

[vague token]

xD

[shy hazel]

lets see

i only got 5k oil in mail

10k oil from training

10k oil from cash shop

unless theres discount oil from cash shop on event

[sharp wing]

I know i won't be bothered enough to farm that gun anyway

[shy hazel]

for now i have 25k extra oil

[steep fog]

I have 20k oil in mail

[shy hazel]

ill overcap abit

so i guess 40k oil overall

[shell heron]

Well screw it. Might as well make my whole VG shiny

[shy hazel]

cyaneko has 45k oil on mail alone

cay

do u know

my jun

doesnt even have 100 affection

[shell heron]

You monster

[vague token]

[shy hazel]

lvl to 113 by pvp alone

and dorm

[wicked rivet]

that was my goal when i oathed belfast cay

[steep fog]

my juneau still stranger

[wicked rivet]

5/6 oaths was annoying me

[shell heron]

Still have hiryuu left to oath

[vague token]

i oathed hiryuu a while back but i havent bothered to 120 her xD

[sharp wing]

Welcome to the club

[shy hazel]

never gave nicknames to ships

[vague token]

[lament lichen]

I always remove the retrofitted part in the names

[shell heron]

My pvp fleet already has all weeb names. Junie has an Illya face, therefore she is Illya now

[sharp wing]

Yorktown is Irisviel

[midnight heron]

just refreshed 3x in a row for same guy on left spot

u win game u win

[wicked rivet]

F

[sharp wing]

Soulmate

[wicked rivet]

^

oath them

[elder crane]

When you're down 3 barrage activations, 2 amagi and 1 Nagato, yet still clearly win

6-1 vs Blazing during a small test run

I wanted to test more, and vysaga was on list too, but then I accidentally won

[midnight heron]

[elder crane]

Also that Nepgun on Nagato is putting in wooooork

I'll have to look closer tomorrow but it really does feel like it did a few k of damage each match

[finite valve]

isn't that just mean your VG are weaker than theirs tho?

[elder crane]

What do you mean by that

[finite valve]

nep gun on nagato

AKA aux gun

you saying it deal good dmg or what?

cus i was under the impression that you saying the gun contribute to something

[elder crane]

Yeah cause the extra range means it fires a lot more

And the extra ammo range means it hits a lot more too

Even though the base damage isn't great on it vs light compared to belgun

[finite valve]

dk if a few pot shot at VG going to matter a whole lot

might help vs mirror

but since i don't play mirror dk for sure tho

[elder crane]

A few k of damage is like at least 1/2 of a ship

[shell heron]

Being able to fire your secondary without your VG being dead first is nice

[finite valve]

well like i said if you are both playing stall AKA mirror

than yeh might mean something

i am still using foxes

so doubt going to reach a few k

[elder crane]

Ehh will still be at least 1-2k I feel

And anything to kill their vg faster is useful

[finite valve]

like it matter vs foxes either way

their burst is just too high that a few 1 - 2 k is just a drop in a bucket

[elder crane]

Well only the squishier vgs should get wiped now anyways

If they're maxed

[finite valve]

out of all the top 1k in avrora only see 1 guy got all 120

so yeh might be the reason

[elder crane]

If they can't kill all of vg that means they're doing <15k probably, and a 1.5k or so bonus from secs is about a 10% dmg boost

Which is no slouch

[finite valve]

farming jesus to 120 is like roon 2.0

jesus christ

[vague token]

xD

[shell heron]

not that bad, I bring her to ch12 and she does pretty well

[lament lichen]

i keep moving my nepgun between nep and amagi for farming

[elder crane]

Mine just hit 118!

[hot creek]

wtf already dev 30 Neptune?

call me jelly

[sharp wing]

Yeah, there few

[finite valve]

if you into cubes wasting then why not

[hot creek]

I always dude cube researches and im not that far

[shell heron]

actually looking at how many shots Nagato do with the nepgun at their VG

it's quite a lot of shots

[hot creek]

I split my general BP between Nep and Monarch

even if I did go all in on one I would still not have Dev 30

[wicked rivet]

i have dev26 ibuki and I used all my gen prints on her

100 more for 30

[sharp wing]

I wouldn't reach dev 25 on a ship w/ all my general

[hot creek]

anyone else have dev 30 ships?

[elder crane]

Well Nagato shoots like half the time with nepgun on offense
She only hits a shot or two another half of the time though I feel
And then ofc evarate means another large reduction on how many times she actually does dmg

[ionic magnet]

dev27 monarch rn

prolly will need another month

[elder crane]

Slaps for like 300 a pop though when she does hit

[ionic magnet]

plus event BPs

[vague token]

dev 27 sanrui atm

[finite valve]

i feel like rushing dev 30 only worth it on maybe fdg and azuma(?)

rest of pr 1 are just good to have

[elder crane]

Azuma for PvP for sure

[finite valve]

azuma is still in testing stage atm tho

fdg is just confirm op

[elder crane]

Currently azuma is confirmed op and the only question is how much

FdG for PvP is the one not yet confirmed

[finite valve]

seeing her stat alone and how fucking tanky she is the more hp she lost

just scream op lel

[elder crane]

Most of her theoretical teams don't seem to work better than equivalent at before dev30, FdG

[sharp wing]

Azuma simply OP cause she makes you have 4:2 fleet

There no questioning that

[elder crane]

Tbf since the theoretical FdG teams work almost as well as the equivalent non-FdG without FdG dev30, FdG is pretty much also confimed OP

Azuma though is super clear on her OP level

[finite valve]

what does 4:2 mean like 3 back + azuma vs 2 of their or what?

[sharp wing]

4 main 2 vg

[elder crane]

Azuma works kinda like a main fleet ship despite being a VG nominally

[sharp wing]

FdG just so meaty, it feels like 1.5 main ship

[elder crane]

Stats, and how she fires at/targets enemies

Her dmg though doesn't seem too special, just solid

FdG that is

[sharp wing]

I bet FdG better wall, than Ryuu, but damage output...

That's the question

[vague token]

the best thing is that unlike literally all vanguard ships, azuma has no angle limit on her gun

which means she has 0 wasted shots

meanwhile most CAs have the most annoyingly restrictive angle of fire out of all guns

and when their target is outside of it the guns just derp out

[sharp wing]

That's what makes her even more like main ship

[shy hazel]

mmm

current top 10 looks edgy

[coral wren]

azuma's skill is bugged

gives 5000 acc and 1000 eva

[sharp wing]

Inb4 it's never fixed

[shy hazel]

true endgame unit

[modern tree]

Vs 120 namagi Hiryuu backline. Somehow Warspite always ends up being the answer.

It's the guy. I wish I had a bit more time to reset against him but I have a job.

[shy hazel]

guess ill use all my rounds now

[shell heron]

I wonder if there will be a 2600+ score this season

[lament lichen]

not likely

[shell heron]

so the first actual dead season. guess we'll see the season end ranks soon

[shy hazel]

done

now its time for vy to move

[shell heron]

I'll check where you are after this run. Then I'll move

[shy hazel]

im on the top of the game

temporarily

[sharp wing]

at 5/10 i'm getting underanked list....

Gonna give it 10 mins

[coral wren]

oh I totally forgot season resets today

gonna leave these 5 exercises sitting I guess since I'm too lazy to open nox

[shy hazel]

[sharp wing]

[shell heron]

a rank 29 as my last match. I hope it isn't a +8

Hi Stella. I'm just under you

[sharp wing]

1o min wait worked, some1 moved

[lament lichen]

saem

[shy hazel]

[lament lichen]

just need them to get 2 more points for a +2 instead

[shell heron]

wait, was I on your list?

[hot creek]

i thought xy had a good chance of getting #1 on sandy, did he lose a match last second? lol

[lament lichen]

no its someone else

sumire

@cerulean estuary do one more match plz

[sharp wing]

I have some1 on list pushing for top

Well, not like i'm gonna end up in top 10 w/ 2 lost tix

[shell heron]

A chain reaction is nice. When one sandbagger moves, so does the others

[shy hazel]

i moved

so alot of ppl moved

[sharp wing]

34 points diff...

[shell heron]

you weren't on my list but my list don't have any familiar names so

[sharp wing]

Oh, here comes another +1

lol, got same guy for 2 +1s

[lament lichen]

oh boi i got stella

[shy hazel]

dont take a pic

ill kick u

[sharp wing]

[lament lichen]

finally + 4 this reset

[sharp wing]

[lament lichen]

stella again

[sharp wing]

[lament lichen]

just need to fight stella a few more times

[sharp wing]

Ohboi, refreshed 3rd time into same guy

[lament lichen]

3 times in a row

[shy hazel]

[sharp wing]

RNG is so heavy at these lvls...

so

[lament lichen]

so i fought stella 5 times alreayd

[sharp wing]

i reseted like 5 times already

[lament lichen]

ok. game

stella again for the 6th time

[ionic magnet]

[sharp wing]

ohboi

It's Fate

[lament lichen]

last match gonna be either -8 or 9

[shy hazel]

i gotta take care on my way back home late night

vy maybe stalking me

[shell heron]

Oh Stella might take r1 this season

[shy hazel]

nope

vy has much more points

[lament lichen]

2602 i think once im done

ran out of resets

just have to fight rank 16 now

yeah

2602

[shell heron]

that's pretty far ahead

[lament lichen]

its either i get stella or i find someone not 35 behind

[sharp wing]

Ok, last match

[shy hazel]

see

[sharp wing]

no 9s OwO

[shell heron]

and now I'm 3rd

[lament lichen]

dont forget bout sumire

[sharp wing]

Dax my last oppo

Well, ended up rank 8 w/ 2 lost tix wtf

[modern tree]

I mean, I am 5th with 2 lost

[ionic magnet]

its not a dead season after all

these top 10 scores are same as last season

[sharp wing]

Doesn't tell anything about overall season

[ionic magnet]

but how do you tell its a dead season

[sharp wing]

top 10 gonna be same any season

[shy hazel]

real sandbaggers

[lament lichen]

when famine , kamita and novae are far behind

[shy hazel]

dead or alive season

still almost the same top 10

unless accidents happen

[empty grove]

[buoyant parrot]

Last 4 mins

[sharp wing]

Sandy is really ded

[ionic magnet]

rank 13 not bad

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/DK2QV/dd8b7b6327.png FeelsWashedUpMan

[buoyant parrot]

Last 10 sec

[shy hazel]

top 3 again

vysaga 1st time top 1

[hot creek]

Vysaga PogCHAMP

[shy hazel]

gzgz

[shell heron]

[shy hazel]

now we need those top 6 to 10

to be from this server too

[ionic magnet]

gzgz

[lament lichen]

[odd schooner]

Lmao sumire

[buoyant parrot]

Damn you Calyn we're both rank 4 I refuse to be rank 5

[shell heron]

You should have moved sooner

[shy hazel]

[buoyant parrot]

[sharp wing]

lol, refreshing 1 min after reset and got me rusher w/ 70+

[shell heron]

but 2590 feel like a low side to my usual 2595 average

[lament lichen]

time to start with 143 points again

[coral wren]

Uhh, is it me or new ui doesn't show your prev rank?

[sharp wing]

Did it ever?

nvm

[coral wren]

I think it showed it in a n old ui

[sharp wing]

It doesn't in profile now, but does in ladders

[shy hazel]

i always end up at 1593 or something

[analog hare]

welcome new season

[shy hazel]

i think my highest was 1598

thats why i always land at top 3-5

lol

stella style sandbagging

[shell heron]

mines was prob 2598 last season as well. I stole r3 from you

but new season. time to gamble on 2nd reset for big points

[shy hazel]

ill just go my usual thing

do 2 then do 3 next reset

[shell heron]

back to meme def fleet it is. near 120 meta fleet will scare the casuals

[shy hazel]

then start keeping 5

i switch out to brag fleet

every after season

until points becomes 10 gains again

[sharp wing]

I'm too lazy to bother w/ def fleet more than once 3 months

[buoyant parrot]

I want to make life hardur for pathetic normies

[sharp wing]

[buoyant parrot]

will not change line up

[sharp wing]

[lament lichen]

never change

too much work

[sharp wing]

[shy hazel]

gotta flex my full pr fleet

[sharp wing]

At least not loli fleet

[shell heron]

Back to this I guess

[sharp wing]

I feel guilty beating poor Kisa and Mutsuki

[lament lichen]

but i use kisa as secretary

[sharp wing]

I bet that will wall half of low lvls xD

[shell heron]

I wonder if low levels using foxes can take it down

but minne is not 120

need to get on that

[sharp wing]

sub 100 foxes will do -40% damage to those cas

[shell heron]

the 2 tankiest CAs in-game too

[sharp wing]

and -20 to rest

[shy hazel]

110 foxes is enuf to take it down

if they using aurora

helldiver has additional dmg to cas isnt it

or planes in general

[sharp wing]

the problem is lvl diff

And aurora has nothing to do w/ CAs

[shy hazel]

oh not aurora

the new ho

[sharp wing]

Siri

[shy hazel]

forgot name

no not that

the one with flash

[sharp wing]

Sendai

[shy hazel]

ya that

[shell heron]

I think they rather face that than meta namayuu

[shy hazel]

sendai becomes pseudo meta when people use 2 or more cas

[shell heron]

not like my backline has damage

[coral wren]

@ionic magnet met any maxed namagyuu?

[sharp wing]

Sendai only helps w/ acc tho

sendai doesn't add damage

[shy hazel]

hooloo ended at top 14

[sharp wing]

so that -40-50% won't go anywhere

[shy hazel]

he shouldve met some maxed namaryu

i met some at least

but my incomplete level is enuf to do it

no puroburemu

[sharp wing]

120 namaryuu mirrors is too rng heavy too

[shell heron]

I saw one maxed namaryuu so far. my 116 hiryuu don't have that much of a problem yet

[ionic magnet]

didnt notice but prolly i met non maxed cos i didnt reset at all

[sharp wing]

you can end up 20-30% health main vs almost full health main

[coral wren]

Yep, good for you. For my hms it's kinda impossible, but i dunno. maybe with ws it can happen

[shell heron]

but a 120 amagi sniping theirs down helps

[sharp wing]

I had 120 amagi snipe my amagi on opposing line for 50% at start of battle

across the field lol

then my barrages will miss 80% shots

and i end up 20-30 hp main vs their almost full hpp

[shell heron]

Amagi's should generally fire at about the same time. Except when I see people putting the HSFCR onto Nagato

[sharp wing]

timing is not problem

[shy hazel]

whistles

who uses hsfcr on nagato

[buoyant parrot]

this is where we get the toaster gun right?

[shy hazel]

ye

[buoyant parrot]

Juneaue Gun?

ahh nice

[shell heron]

you know we'll all be farming d2 like no tomorrow

[sharp wing]

baguettes

Well, i won't, too lazy

[ionic magnet]

heh knowing my luck ill prolly end up with 2 guns at most only

[shell heron]

one less bagette gun user to worry about

[coral wren]

Do you even need more than 2?

[ionic magnet]

well the more the better as always

[sharp wing]

You get 1 gun from shop

[hot creek]

I just wanna be the guy who has the most french guns just so I can say I have the most french guns

[buoyant parrot]

I actually just need 1

well having 2 is a bonus

[sharp wing]

I farmed 60k on d3 prev event to get 4 bofors Bps, so

And the previous event wasn't better

[hot creek]

reality though is ill probably farm like 2 and then get lazy

[shy hazel]

i can farm mindlessly

[shell heron]

I went hard on bofors. made 4 of them

[shy hazel]

depending on how hard it drops

[ionic magnet]

i farmed 40k pts before for quad torp and got 6/15 bps only fml

[shy hazel]

ill end up with 2 minimum

8maximum

if its drop rate like vdir

[shell heron]

not counting the shop one?

[shy hazel]

shop one is only bps

like 3 pcs?

[buoyant parrot]

so we have 3 more days to save up oil then

[sharp wing]

full bps

[shy hazel]

this event is weird

u cant get toast gun straight from shop

[sharp wing]

shop has 15 bps for Mle and Jean gun

[shy hazel]

[sharp wing]

so 1 full gun each

but in bps

[shell heron]

you buy bps instead of the gun itself

you do

[buoyant parrot]

do we have any guide for the map what's the most efficient team

[sharp wing]

should be around 89 lvl

[modern tree]

Probably Mutsu with some front, kill sirens repeat

[hot creek]

I'd rather farm with ships I actually wanna train than with most efficient.

[sharp wing]

i'll lvl my naga/amagi

[coral wren]

You don't even finish the map? Straight sirens hunting?

[modern tree]

Sirens have boss drops, there's no point in finishing map

Unless you want points

[shell heron]

well I'm off for the night

[buoyant parrot]

well I have most ships that I used LB ready for 120 already... I need to save oil since I spent so much on ch12 and this current event for glorious

[shy hazel]

didnt we have a discussion about this alrdy

someone said its still more efficient to go for boss cos siren bp drops rate is far lower

compared to might as well killing boss

boss also has that x2 chance to get

[buoyant parrot]

oohh

[sharp wing]

And you get points actually for some extra rewards

[hot creek]

citation needed

[modern tree]

Time is a resource