pvp

[sharp wing]

[stark raft]

I just dressed up thicc waifus

[sharp wing]

and pyra prime on ember

[finite valve]

better stop this discussion brothers

#off-topic

don't want mod on our tails

[sharp wing]

Well, if anything, you can add me ingame, same ign

[stark raft]

yeah they'll be suspicious if the same 10 ppl dont talk shit about hms

[finite valve]

[sharp wing]

QE is shit loli

[finite valve]

unless they introduce QE kai

hms will forever be shit

[stark raft]

QE kai turned into CV

[sharp wing]

Heavy Aircraft Carrier

[finite valve]

more shit if you ask me

[sharp wing]

Well, who knows

[stark raft]

if they turn her into Centaur 2.0 she'd be amazing

[sharp wing]

More like Glorious

AKA will be second worst CV

outside of her buffs

[finite valve]

well at least lusty got the look

[sharp wing]

[finite valve]

glorious got shit zzz

[sharp wing]

Glorious school uniform looks like overaged cosplay

[finite valve]

[stark raft]

QE kai into CV can be amazing

[sharp wing]

IDK what they intended to make of her even

[stark raft]

when she launches planes double the hms buff or something

[sharp wing]

useless timing

[finite valve]

better to just add a non hms debuff

like -9% on all non hms ship

[stark raft]

Cup size higher than her takes 30% more dmg

[sharp wing]

Fleet i like

[finite valve]

that's like 99% of all back line lel

[stark raft]

exactly

[finite valve]

[stark raft]

only wskai on par with QE flatness

[sharp wing]

eww

[stark raft]

it's canon in the AL manga

[sharp wing]

Loli backliner...

[finite valve]

shouhou would like a word with you bro

[sharp wing]

I would like a word w/ her

[stark raft]

shouhou has loose clothing

[finite valve]

into justice instead of plot

eww

[stark raft]

even uni was bustier than QE in the manga

[sharp wing]

She is ingame tho

thicc busty imouto

well, event skin

[stark raft]

Make it so QE makes warspacito target bustier ships with divine marksman

[sharp wing]

Discrimination

[stark raft]

they'd kill amagi>hiryuu>nagato

[sharp wing]

Put Sodako ws WSkai then

[finite valve]

yeh can't see shouhou chest in the manga

sad

zzz

[stark raft]

idk if shouhou in the AL manga

[sharp wing]

You need some doujins

[stark raft]

all 3 original shouhou art has her in loose clothing though

well not like you'd use shouhou in pvp anyway

[sharp wing]

She is totally not flat tho

[finite valve]

is in the comic anthology not queen order

queen order is just about hms

[sharp wing]

I never even read that

[finite valve]

[stark raft]

that is not shouhou

[sharp wing]

oh wait...

I somewhy thought of Skk

[finite valve]

[sharp wing]

Better?

Houshou

Well, ye. Shouhou is as flat, as it can get

[elder crane]

Shouhou's in the scene where the USN cruisers are discussing "upgrades"

correlation with armour type

Shouhou's brought up as a counterexample

literally "brought up" btw

[finite valve]

medium armor vs light armor

lel

[elder crane]

as is is manhandled over

[sharp wing]

[sharp wing]

When you actually WANT to lose a fight

Or just makes it not a bad thing

[stark raft]

HMS boats and their quotes

Pretty sure Edin locks you both in a room as well

[sharp wing]

[stark raft]

Yep and she "lost" the key

[sharp wing]

Didn't expect something like that from her

[stark raft]

"Commander, let's go for a stroll along the shore before it turns dark. Don't worry, I have switched off the lights and closed the windows, it's fine...wait, where's my key?"

She also hoards gold

[sharp wing]

I mean, compared to tiehoe, she's harmless

[sharp wing]

Oh, wow, Sandy got 1 gensui already

[modern tree]

amazing

[elder crane]

Wow, Avrora has only 5 afaik

I'd have to face one of the top 6 for mine, which is... well, not happening (as well as pointless)

ohwait nvm I think I'm getting a +2 right now, without waiting for someone to climb

go home MM you're drunk

[sharp wing]

[stark raft]

everything's chill on wash

A special server for the event ship Washington herself

[hot creek]

oh didn't even realize its gensui day

[sharp wing]

Sandy things

[vague token]

dev 27

sanrui

only 60 bps to go!

or so

xD

[real notch]

Hello @vague token

I see u in my lobby

[sharp wing]

kiro still on hiatus today

[vague token]

i got a few more attacks left if you want me to use em

im already dead so

[sharp wing]

ded inside

[vague token]

xD

[elder crane]

Well, I met Blazing on the ladder
who I had to reset twice against
So I ran a few more rounds and went 10-1 afterwards, in my favour
Not bad, for being down on ship levels

(Hiryuu just hit 120 this fight )

[vague token]

the longer the match goes the better sheffield is compared to belfast

xD

[elder crane]

Yeah, his positioning imo is probably not optimal

Jun lead died quite often too early, mine sometimes even died early (and sometimes late, all RNG really)

I still think Hiryuu is better bottom than pocket in top, but I'm no longer for sure certain on that tbh

main fleet fights now seem to last long enough to even out RNG, and having a early-procced (relatively speaking) Hiryuu doesn't seem much of an advantage anymore

This would be the scenario I'm mentioning, for why early-procced Hiryuu can be not that bad (Nagato nuked) but I still lost that match

[vague token]

i mean, hiryuu bottom is better vs cuda match up

i think?

cause otherwise amagi eats too much splash damage

[elder crane]

ryuuseis also occasionally target bottom slot over everyone else

[vague token]

o.O

[elder crane]

on 1 plane

[vague token]

oh

xD

[elder crane]

so like 2 target flag but 1 targets bottom

[vague token]

weird

[elder crane]

has to do with plane vertical movement RNG I think

[vague token]

i havent used ryuusei in a while and sara torp bombers dont split even though it would be better if they did

[elder crane]

also if flag is dead bottom is targeted more than top

anyways, at 110 it sure felt like if I was in the capped scenario I would win

[vague token]

the only thing i dont like about amagi top is when ws kai shows up top is dangerous

xD

(for medium armor)

[elder crane]

I suppose I did get bad amagi RNG this match, basically that Hiryuu just never would be taken down

[vague token]

=(

[elder crane]

it'll be more testing/observations before I have thoughts on that, since it's just 1 data point at 120 might just be a fluke

[stark raft]

What would wskai target if put middle

[elder crane]

Top

Top then bottom then flag

[stark raft]

So warspacito is a top, good to know

[elder crane]

Was WS part of the group that used the incomplete Monarch's hull as target practice?

[stark raft]

need to ask some history buffs

[vague token]

xD

[dusk stirrup]

[shell heron]

waiting to any more bonus points was a mistake. need extra matches to hit top 10

[ionic magnet]

slept on 1 match hoping to avoid +9

[sharp wing]

[modern tree]

HMS cant beat lvl120 Hyuuga because heavy armour. I dont know how I feel about that

genuinely just steamroll every Hiryuu but get hardwalled by the same comp cuz barrages deal no damage

[coral wren]

Yes, i met hyuuga too

Along with kaga bb that is way more difficult to beat than regular hiryuu

[stark raft]

Bring out momarch for hyuuga

120 hyuuga has 31 evade

[modern tree]

she has Amagi and armour that doesnt eat shit

[coral wren]

after many resets i got asmagi killed fast and then it was a long way to shell down hyuuga

another shit thing is, even if your vg kills enemy vang they get insta killed

[modern tree]

I kill both flanks every game but it takes so long that I end with 1-2 backliners at no hp vs full health nagato

[stark raft]

10% of 31 is fucking 3 more evasion

[modern tree]

oh man, he doesnt know

[coral wren]

yeah

[modern tree]

HE DOESNT KNOW

[vague token]

OH NO

[modern tree]

Amagi is evasion rate bruh

[elder crane]

which means she can be up to a 20% eHP boost on main fleet with the evarate boost alone

combine that with the stat reduction and fire reduction and... well....

[coral wren]

I was thinking perhaps torp vang could help you alot, but i don't have 120 jin

[elder crane]

she defends main fleet more than Juneau heal does

[stark raft]

it's fine my 70% meme has amagi as well

[coral wren]

not tru hms then

[stark raft]

No warspacito no true hms atm they are ready just give us the retro yostar

[coral wren]

just put qe to see things in a different perspective

instead of amagi

[modern tree]

I think I am actually losing just because Monarch doesnt have MGM

[sharp wing]

Might switch back to KagaBB to troll def

[modern tree]

and I just cant outshell Nagato Hyuuga buff

[stark raft]

Im out of refreshes and my list are memes

[coral wren]

You think 6+ shells would be enough?

[stark raft]

Just use monarch gun

Hoodgun makes her shoot faster than hood

[sharp wing]

I'm stuck w/ a guy w/ 32 diff...

[coral wren]

They have troubles with dmging heavy arm

[modern tree]

How would changing gun put my Monarch at dev30

[sharp wing]

F

[stark raft]

just yeet that event

[sharp wing]

And En got shorter event period actually

On CN/Jp it was 10 days

[modern tree]

its 6 days for 60 clears lul

[sharp wing]

yeah

[modern tree]

the casual slayer

[sharp wing]

Also ppl just build her not to do 60 clears

[stark raft]

It's a trap

[sharp wing]

[coral wren]

Wise decision

[modern tree]

I mean, I am farming her to not do 60 clears, its not working yet

[odd schooner]

People never learned from graf spee?

[stark raft]

whoever wants that chitoge ship, hats off to them

[coral wren]

GLorious is actually a trap, you are right. To milk dry ppl out of oil

[sharp wing]

or cube

[odd schooner]

[sharp wing]

At least i'm grinding my dev 15 sanrui in sp3 w/ Ise

Want to get ise to 100 aff before modernization...

cause fck that thing

IseKai

[coral wren]

@ionic magnet have you met any namagi with bb as 3rd slot yet?

[sharp wing]

Actually, early on there were plenty Kaga BBs, but now i only see few HyuuKais

Tjho they indeed usually tougher than Ryuu

[ionic magnet]

yea theres some hyuugas out there

[sharp wing]

I used Kaga bb oppoiste to Hyuu in those cases

Burt she's still at 110 now

[ionic magnet]

but havent met a maxed one after 120 uncap

[coral wren]

Hm, if you do please do a few runs. Kgv should prob do a better job

[ionic magnet]

not sure if hyuuga is any worse than hiryuu with my comp

yea will do

[sharp wing]

I think is aw 120 Hyuu

Some Dorks as well

[ionic magnet]

cos i got walled by namagiE before too

[ionic magnet]

so i thought its just namagi being namagi

[sharp wing]

Nah, E comp is usually ez

Just have to Amagi vs E

But i much prefer Hiryuu over Hyuu

[ionic magnet]

whats his name?

the one with hyuuga

[sharp wing]

It's on Sandy

[ionic magnet]

oh rip

[sharp wing]

I remember i fought it few times already

Hyuu was 120 like 1st day

[ionic magnet]

you using namaryuu yea?

how was it?

[sharp wing]

tougher than ryuu

cause you don't have second barrage on 1 flank as well

And puting Amagi vs heavy armor is bad too

[ionic magnet]

[sharp wing]

So you have rely on planes and Nyaga barrages

[ionic magnet]

so namahyuu > namaryuu?

[sharp wing]

Well

On def vs Nanaryuu looks like that

[ionic magnet]

interesting

[sharp wing]

I'd rather question KagaBB vs HyuuKai

Tho kaga is as rng as Nyaga

[modern tree]

heavy armour at 120 is very fucking tanky

[ionic magnet]

theres zero kagabb users so

[sharp wing]

well, pretty much

[stark raft]

Hyuukai offers more FP and kagabb has coinflip barrage

[sharp wing]

but her barrage is insane xD

[stark raft]

also her melee barrage hurts

[sharp wing]

I might try my 110 Kaga in few matches

I'm out of t3 gun and aux plates...

I'm even out of t2 aux

can't +10 4th Belgun, lol

nvm, it's 5th

forgot Yat got 1 as secondary

1st kaga BB barrage, enemy Hyuu down 80%

Lol, Hyuu rip

[elder crane]

idk offense is still crushing the variant Namgis, Namayuu

[sharp wing]

lol, forgot to pause and eat +9 there

Got +1 instead tho

on next guy, lol

LMAO, 2nd match w/ NamaBaga... Both Amagi and Kaga fail to proc 3 times

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

Foxes still alive, nagato sank

This comp is rng cancer

0 procs all match

Nanoda 13k

lol

[stark raft]

40% ain't 17% osFrog

[sharp wing]

OwO Another +1

opponent randomness...

Well, what i mean, KagaBB actually much better to deal w/ HyuuKai, than Amagi (not counting those torps, that miss 90% time)

[vague token]

if only we could OXY for those torp barrages

[sharp wing]

compared to VG torps, they acc is poo tho

[vague token]

i mean they could have a higher torp ratio xD

[sharp wing]

yeah

[vague token]

they could use like 200% torp stat and then oxy would count as 200 for it

big boosto

[sharp wing]

i mean, they are below 200 torp something

stat

Well, at 120 over 200

KagaBB only 2 eva below amagi at 120

120 makes weird thing with BB vs BC

Hood 37 at all, lol

lower, than BBs

[modern tree]

I didnt get why people thought Hood is obsolete at 110, but now that I played on 120 for a while, I think I am starting to get it

[sharp wing]

lol

[modern tree]

shes so far behind in FP and other stats

[sharp wing]

She is just HP pool

I guess, she's getting something like prinz equivalent nowadays

[modern tree]

Shes like Hyuuga, except SSR and thats just bad

[sharp wing]

for main fleet

that BC eva really makes little sense at 120 tho...

compared to how heavy vs med armor is difference at 120

[stark raft]

She has carried enough, let the girl rest

[vague token]

just accept the 380mm within

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

(ap gun)

[sharp wing]

that doesn't solve anything

with her def stats

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

nep gun on nagato o.o

[sharp wing]

with her fp 380 probably will be even worse compared to high fp ships, than ability to pop/refresh burns from 381 tho

depends how much burn scales w/ FP

[elder crane]

erm, basically the same way gun damage does?

[vague token]

same way yeah

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

it's (100 + FP) / 100

before the rest of it

[sharp wing]

Overall, i think the less FP, the more favorable burns over AP bonus

[elder crane]

Erm, not really?
If anything the opposite

[sharp wing]

Since % AP bonus gets less

in damage

[elder crane]

the relative damage %-wise is exactly the same for HE vs AP regardless of FP if there's no other ships

if there's other BBs HE is worse at lower FP than high since burn damage is not overwritten

[sharp wing]

they refresh or burn other ships

[vague token]

was that ever double checked

that weaker same tier burns are refreshed

instead of overriden

(like the code)

[elder crane]

Well I'm the only one who seems to do any sort of fire testing/observation

I've been trying to get confirmation but no one seems to want to bother

As far as I can tell that's the case, that fire damage is always kept on a same-level refresh

and the code is a mess, idk if anyone at all has tried to investigate the refresh mechanic

[sharp wing]

TRAP

[elder crane]

it's 50% off, if there's ever a time to pay for cubes...

which tbf there's a good chance there's never for you

[sharp wing]

Well, i'm bound to hit over 200 cubes by the time Iris is here...

Hope my RNG won't be as shit, as Bisquirt

Which took 180 and that was worst ever

(aside from 800+ cubes Aurora hunt in light)

[ionic magnet]

there finally caught a pic of main gun trying to hit VG

@vague token

[stark raft]

oh that snake lover

[ionic magnet]

this is better

[sharp wing]

Lol, i only just now noticed, that construction displays yr secretary in background

[odd schooner]

Since when did you play

That took so long

[ionic magnet]

lol

[odd schooner]

[sharp wing]

Since September

[vague token]

[coral wren]

retarded chinese coding, vanguard literally catches all what it should avoid instead

[sharp wing]

It's rng autopilot, it's not supposed to avoid or ram anything on purpose

That would made Auto legal bot

otherwise

[elder crane]

I mean you can try fiddling around with who leads the team to supposedly change autopilot behaviour

you'll get a placebo effect with the confirmation bias at least

[sharp wing]

That only can adjsut movement pattern, but will do nothing with hitting stuff

[elder crane]

well, he's complaining about movement pattern as far as I can tell, sooo
and we don't know yet if it affects that or if it affects anything else either

[sharp wing]

I remembered some MMORPGs that had legal paid bot

Also it worked when you was offline

OP AFK farming, lel

[shy hazel]

theres no such thing as legal paid bot

its just a paid bot which they label as legal

only mobages has built in bots

[coral wren]

Nah, i think it's just not that much space for an offense so vg can travel farther

[shy hazel]

tatsuya uses kagabb

[sharp wing]

me too

she rekts heavy armors

decimates BBs

tho coinflip

Usually she finishes BB even faster, than amagi med armor enemy, if they both proc equally

tbh Amagi targeted shells are same time advantage and disadvantage, lol

On one hand, they make her not useless after she finishes opponent on same line, but can make her hit wrong place too

[elder crane]

imo more disadvantage than advantage
I'd take the consistent nuke any day, more important to get down to 5 v 6 faster than be more useful once 5 v 6

[sharp wing]

yeah, that's apparently one way to look at it

[elder crane]

I mean, there's good reason why even with WSkai you put Monarch on the same target as WS for the highest winrate strat (according to CN testing)

turns out being 5 v 6 after one round of shelling is really good, who knew

[sharp wing]

Monarch also has better mods vs Heavy

Than Amagi normal

Hell, KagaBB so much outperforms Amagi on heavy armor

So that's no wonder

[elder crane]

yep, which means given the amount of focus amagi provides isn't that high, and so having more focus is more important

until we get wskai or it's the question of double ryuusei on Nakaga, I'd say that over-focus isn't a thing for AL PvP

[sharp wing]

well, i'd totally go for Ryusseu on Kaga, but Akagi probably just bananas for touch down damage

[elder crane]

Oh what the heck, I just noticed touchdown isn't affected by slot efficiencies

not that it really makes that much difference tbf

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

yeah, touchdown preferable on non torp slot focused cv tbh

[elder crane]

unless you're talking about like Ark or something, the efficiencies aren't all that different

[sharp wing]

I mean, Akagi is at 125%, that's not bad too, but still

Kaga 150% eff

[elder crane]

I suppose 20% more is 20% more
still not ark-DB levels of difference

[sharp wing]

that sure will make it count when comparing raw power of sakura torps and touchdown of baras

[elder crane]

I wonder if that affects DB selection on ark

[sharp wing]

BTW, is monarch barrage FP % changed in pvp?

cause it's 120% by default

[elder crane]

afaik no, just 120% always

[sharp wing]

She outdo even kaga vs Heavy by 500 damage, but her barrage less focused?

[elder crane]

Monarch barrage hits something around half the shots only from spread, yeah

[sharp wing]

Then Kaga will still down BB faster

[elder crane]

she often (always?) will land 1 stray shot on adjacent tile too

Isn't KagaBB's spread not particularly narrow either?

[sharp wing]

Well, it's pretty consistent

[elder crane]

pretty sure she consistently misses a few too, BBKaga

[sharp wing]

Well, her volume is greater

So it's less of a loss

She literraly chunked 80% of Hp on Hyuuga

[elder crane]

only needs to miss 1/4 to roughly equalize with Monarch

which is 2-3 shots out of 10

ofc KagaBB has her torps too, but on the other hand 50% vs 70%

[sharp wing]

bb torps miss 80% time

[elder crane]

you mainly run her to take advantage of Namagi buffs anyways

[sharp wing]

I'm gonna test my 110 kaga vs 119 wash now

[elder crane]

overall I think my eval holds, you wouldn't take Kaga BB if it wasn't for Namagi

[sharp wing]

Well, her barage really strong vs heavy

I only took her cause namagi can't effectively down Hyuuga

[elder crane]

I don't see her ousting Monarch individually
plus Hiryuu just ignores heavy armor mostly

if anything her TBs get more damage

you kinda just ignore Hyuuga in that team anyways, for offense

Also, weren't we considering deliberately gimping Hyuuga seaplane on reload, since it's "just" fighter bait?
Any further thoughts on that?

[sharp wing]

Well, 9 lvl diff makes Kaga only chunk 30-40% of Wash

But at equal lvl, that hurts

[elder crane]

I mean that's 18% damage and 0.9% hitrate (~1.5% more damage?), and 5% total HP difference from PvP multiplier, before considering stat difference

[sharp wing]

Also was got her down to 30% after barrage

fighting 110 vs 119 is tough

[elder crane]

otherwise the chunking rescaled to facing 110 Wash should be roughly half her HP

[sharp wing]

Well, as i said, almost equal lvl Hyuu got down to ~20%

Tho she has bit less hp

at120 7.2k hyuu 8k wash

[elder crane]

89 vs 60 luck is something like another 5% damage difference
so say I estimate 4k vs wash, then its 4.2k vs hyuu which seems reasonable after considering RNG exists

whew, seems like both get about 500 HP for the 10 levels, which is not insignificant too

and ofc potentially oath differences

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

well, Kaga misses like 1 shell each side on second wave

[elder crane]

also seems like ~2% from evasion stat differences (based on my calcs for Namayuu teams)
basically lots of small factors

that puts Monarch and KagaBB at about the same barrage damage on opposite heavy/med, as independent ships, based on reports I've seen on how much of their respective barrages hit

Does the missed shells splash adjacent main fleet slots?

[sharp wing]

second wave has kinda weird pattern

2x2 on sides

So like only 1 shell from each pair hits enemy at center

[buoyant parrot]

all of a sudden everyone started moving... already go +3 now

[sharp wing]

cucking few lvls higher amagi for half hp

need cleaner shot, i think she got hit 3 times on second wave

lol, second time pattern of second wave was different

With good rng on second wave she can hit all shots at opponent

[elder crane]

oh great, more RNG, just what was needed

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

just what i needed

[sharp wing]

kiro gonna use Sara + Baga now

[elder crane]

Might as well use RNGer

[vague token]

if i wanted to rng id rather swap biscuit in

[sharp wing]

I mean, second wave is still line of 4 shells, but each shell can hit ground at different distance individually

[vague token]

and move amagi to mid

so i can have heavy top slot

in prep for ws kai

xD

100% memes

[sharp wing]

1st wave can have deviations too

Here almost perfect hit, 1st wave 1 shell went into water and it hit in triangle shape, 2nd wave 1 shell 'missed', but it was 4 hit (w/ 1 miss)

Kaga adds more RNg into her RNG

without Yukie damage number grow over hundred too

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

list is ded

Strangely there over 50 gensuis already

Anyway ladder is bugged, and i can't actually tell the rank...

Shows all private...

[sharp obsidian]

PvP is so inactive now on Lexi. I missed 2 attacks, do a full 10 an hour and a half after the rush time, and still end up on Rank 4. 😂

[sharp wing]

i cannot rush, cause i'll have to eat 9s

And i lost 2 tickets too

[sharp obsidian]

I ended up at rank 10 with 2 attacks to go

I just ate 1 +9 to get 10 more merit points 😂

The other one I got lucky since I got matched with Rank 1 guy

But yeah, it is so different from what it used to be wherein you had to have a perfect season to make it post-rush

[steep fog]

I rushed already

wash pvp is still ez mode as ever

[sharp obsidian]

Maybe Avrora is the only server left with a decently competitive PvP Scene 😂

[shy hazel]

even avrora is dead

others servers are just

double dead

[sharp wing]

All ded inside

[vague token]

dead

[sharp wing]

Well, yeah, i'm now rank 10 w/ 3/10 and 2 lost tix. Most ppl got blocked from gensui at around 2230 early on

[midnight heron]

lucky i rushed straight at reset

new tactic is to just rush at reset and eat +9/8 for fast wins kek

[sharp wing]

Just wait and you will get it

even if i rush 9s, still end up in top 10 in later resets anyway

[odd schooner]

You're always highlighted lmao @coral wren

[coral wren]

lol

[vague token]

lol

[odd schooner]

[coral wren]

I fixed it

got 3 more new roons

[vague token]

[coral wren]

Yea, i dunno. Need perfect rng with not a single barrage to fail to win against maxed namagyuu. Hood with qe and monarch is actually a fucking garbage

[midnight heron]

on my way to make triple confetti defense

[sharp wing]

Put confetti on Dork = Blood Rain

[hot creek]

I have zero motivation to farm Glorious.

[sharp wing]

Build her

Being worst CV doesn't add to motivation either

You can also get lucky and drop her from SP3 after few runs

New DDs got me to lvl 4 HMS tech

HMS DDs are not useless

[sharp wing]

My AL always in alttab mode anyway

[modern tree]

my purple focus donation for Monarch just gave me 1 monarch bp and 2 izumo bps

research is a fun system any player can enjoy

[sharp wing]

[modern tree]

Also, dont know what y'all concluded on HE vs AP cuz I was too lazy to backread the entire discussion, but I have long since switched my Hood to be using Tirpitz gun since watching her shells splash harmlessly for 800 damage in backline vs backline situations because of 381 is making me sick

AP gun is 1200

the truth of the matter is that PR HMS is specialised to take out comps with 2 md armour backliners with relative ease and I think everything else will make them struggle

Good thing Amagi and Hiryuu are not going anywhere

[ionic magnet]

Don't know about others but i still prefer HE cos AP just tickles light armors when ykkz is tankier than sanrui. Also 1 fire proc and HE gun already does more dmg even against medium armors

[vagrant veldt]

massachusetts should be added to EN as well if you want to experience AP damage

backlines at around half hp gets wiped by her SHS but that was the old versions

[midnight heron]

currently getting extremely pissed at 1 pvp match where the enemy seemingly just keeps getting procs no matter how many times i reset

was kinda joking before dat they shud add a fucking reduce enemy rng button but sometimes i wish it was there

[sharp wing]

I had to reset 2 times vs Enty, cause my Amagi refused to barrage

[midnight heron]

i just rly cant understand how when i reset 10x and get similar results

[modern tree]

team is shit its definetly luck

[midnight heron]

and when i get a proc, guess what?

lets give the enemy 100% evasion cuz y not

[sharp wing]

Now they need to remove restart option

to make pvp real xD

[midnight heron]

i find it bs if they put juneau in front and is down to 10% hp

and my nagato procs and doesnt kill it like tf

[shy hazel]

if u ask me tbh

prolly your team has problem also

i never reset more than 3 times

that 3 times is very rare too

if both me and opponent dont proc any i win

if i proc i win

if enemy proc 1/2 i still win

unless enemy procs 2 sakura and 2 amagi barrage

and i dont

thats vs namaryuu i guess

other fleets never have problem

[midnight heron]

yea i know

but problem is

if i can visually see the amount of procs and shelling rng

it wont matter if my team is gud or bad

i'll still lose given those rng bs

we're using mirror main fleets

[modern tree]

I mean, welcome to pvp for the next couple of months I guess

[midnight heron]

only 1 ship is diff in vg

[modern tree]

possibly forever

[midnight heron]

da only deciding factor is gear/lvl/rng

[shy hazel]

[midnight heron]

extremely biased pov but w/e man just gotta rant

[shy hazel]

pvp has always been the best geared one

with okay rng

rng is useless anyways

cos u can reset

it shouldnt need over 10 resets for u to win tho

something is wrong with your team

[midnight heron]

well it sure took me more than that

[shy hazel]

something is wrong with your team then

[midnight heron]

like i said its a mirror with only 1 ship diff

[shy hazel]

[midnight heron]

lul

[shy hazel]

1 ship diff isnt mirror what

attacker still has 20% bonus dmg in pvp

[midnight heron]

meta main fleet is a constant

only vg changes

[shy hazel]

you shouldnt lose if u have the same exact ship and gear

nope

even vg is constant in current meta

people using ships other than jun bel and nanoda

are memers

like replacing jun with jintsu

because too lazy to grind jun to 120

[midnight heron]

well im using shef jun yuki

[shy hazel]

shef isnt exactly meta

you need proper ships to use that ho

ships with like what

lower hp

than her

or something

[midnight heron]

yea they hav lower hp precisely y i use shef

i hate it when i use bel and they run out of smoke

like tf

[shy hazel]

bel is still more staple

theres probably still no

louis dev30

p sure some people will have dev30 after iris comes tho

should have 30 pr bps from that

building monarch so wtv

cant use louis anyways

not like im using monarch in pvp also tho lol

just "insurance" if hms goes out of meme and becomes meta

[midnight heron]

if hms becomes meta i'll hms

hms = hit myself

[shy hazel]

i dont rly care what becomes meta

as long i have the things for it

ijn kms wtv

utility > preference

hell they can make

pran meta

ill just build it

[sharp wing]

PRan vs IJN It's like Hood vs Biscuit

If anything in meta changes, that's Yamato tbh

[shy hazel]

wont get my hopes up

bisko is hms true flag but shes crap

[midnight heron]

yay more ijn bias

[shy hazel]

game has ijn bias but wtv

gotta milk their best market anyways

[sharp wing]

after Iris rerun, they should get totally new event

[shy hazel]

no choice in other servers than to make new event

or rerun newer events

that they didnt rerun yet

heh

[sharp wing]

they gonna make new between reruns

[shy hazel]

amagi rerun

gotta introduce another amagi class ship or wtv her class is

which is more broken

[sharp wing]

Amagi rerun should around winter

for cn/jp

It was basically new year event

[shy hazel]

dunno

forgot other old events that they didnt rerun yet

unless rerun rerun becomes a thing

vdir3

[sharp wing]

they rerun events 2 times before perma ships

usually

[shy hazel]

ykkz still isnt perm in jp so ik

other vdir ships are tho

[modern tree]

they have FW to rerun for jp

[shy hazel]

and so is for us

tho we both got the rerun version as our first versions

[sharp wing]

they have most events to rerun

very few got 2 reruns so far

[shy hazel]

most old events alrdy got rerun actually

[sharp wing]

1

[shy hazel]

jp cn?

most lol

[sharp wing]

most got 1 rerun

[shy hazel]

no events got 2nd rerun

unless u mean mini events

so rerun rerun isnt a thing yet

unless they start doing it

[midnight heron]

sometimes i wonder if adding event ships to perm build is a gud idea

there r already some perm ships which r hard to get

[sharp wing]

they remove some vanilla ships

which can be farmed from map

[midnight heron]

ic

makes sense then

[sharp wing]

in the end, they will remove most story map ships

and fill it with ex-event

So RNG won't be that much severe

Mikasa limited build already had 2 reruns tho... So it might be very long process

[shy hazel]

that mikasa mini event which was a bane to newer jp players

got 3 limited builds

[sharp wing]

And Spee event

[shy hazel]

crazy

[sharp wing]

But spee already in perma

after second rerun

i think

[shy hazel]

en got all major events aft iris

after that are server events

like killing newcastle

[sharp wing]

We still need Cent event

[shy hazel]

see how dead your server is

cent doesnt have event

just mini

suddenly put in build

[sharp wing]

Mini+limited

rate up

[shy hazel]

it isnt a major event anyways

[sharp wing]

and i'm not sure, she get's perma with it

[shy hazel]

shes perma on day 1

[sharp wing]

But it's summer event

[shy hazel]

she was never on limited

just special

they like

made a big deal when tony taka made a ship for the game

and made her totally broken

cos bias

and even gave her mini event

[sharp wing]

They might just add her to perma a bit later and only give use rate-up banner for 1st time

Like that crazy dumb cat dd

[shy hazel]

shes perma on introduction anyways

the question is when

cos its a mini thing

i can smell it tho

[sharp wing]

It should be before anniv

[shy hazel]

them adding her to anniv event

mini event so can fit

multiple builds

[sharp wing]

cause anniv already has limited + avrora

and they will add up something tbh

[shy hazel]

avrora is mission thingy

doesnt even need cubes

[sharp wing]

yes

still

[shy hazel]

theyve alrdy did major event +2 mini events in global

and they can do it again

[sharp wing]

That was 1 fck up

[shy hazel]

[sharp wing]

they even said it themselves

[shy hazel]

its pretty normal in jp anyways

en ppl are just

ENtitled

[sharp wing]

I like EN pace ok

[midnight heron]

[sharp wing]

nolyfers can go play jp for all i care

[midnight heron]

im starting to get stressed out with the pace

having only 1 week break or none at all makes managing resources so much harder

[shy hazel]

just wait till a new collab comes

[sharp wing]

at least this even doesn't require cubes

[shy hazel]

2 major events in a week and a mini event again

[midnight heron]

yea ik but most events require tons of either time or cube investment

or both if ur rng sux

[shy hazel]

i honestly dont see how hard bel chan event was

[sharp wing]

We shall get Utawarerumono collab, it's not version specific

[shy hazel]

you only needed to run so few world map

and ppl complained so hard

lol

[sharp wing]

cause we needed to farm kizu same time and kizu didn't drop bel points

[midnight heron]

i relied on purely sos for bel and it worked somehow

[sharp wing]

I just waited for +50%

farmed Kizu till then

"farmed" is mighty

[midnight heron]

i think ppl r just pissed dat events r stacked together

[sharp wing]

with my usual 3 map clears per day + dailies

And this bullshit useless cv event makes me do 10 clears per day, if she doesn't drop

[modern tree]

we legit had 2 separate events to farm and 2 separate banners to roll for

[sharp wing]

[modern tree]

it was fucked up

[sharp wing]

evens they don't deny it tho

[midnight heron]

well i already got her from drop but still gonna do 60 clears for miletones

[sharp wing]

60 milestone is her tho... no point

50 or 55 last reasonable

[midnight heron]

yea but if imma do 55 might as well go for top prize as well

its not hard anyway

[sharp wing]

i have enough bulins not to bother running ch5 equivalent map

[midnight heron]

nani

[sharp wing]

that doesn't even drop purp plates

it's literally ch5

[midnight heron]

im pretty sure it drops purple

its actually a newbie friendly map

[sharp wing]

well, i'll let newbies run it

[modern tree]

it doesnt drop purple

[midnight heron]

i did get purple tho

even tho its not listed as such

[sharp wing]

in drop list it doesn't say

[midnight heron]

theres been bug reports

regarding dat

[modern tree]

its boss only I think

[sharp wing]

maybe

[shy hazel]

its not even hard

[modern tree]

this event is actually the worst event I have ever played. Its blue plates, shit layout, ambushes, 4 separate boss spawns, fuckhuge map, exclusive ship that isnt even worth farming for, but tech level wont rise itself

[sharp wing]

this event 0 motivation

[midnight heron]

[modern tree]

if its bugged to give purples then there is an actual silver lining

dunno, just wish they'd spare us garbage like that, or at least made it better instead of dropping it exactly as it was on cn/jp, except we are lvl 120 with Amagis and shit

[ionic magnet]

i mean you said it. glorious event is garbage so why run it?
if its not garbage then why complain?
make up your mind people

[midnight heron]

seems like purple drop is only on sp2 since i cant confirm where i got those plates and the report is for sp2 only

¯_(ツ)_/¯

just exploit it anyway

[coral wren]

What a shit event..adding pr bps would make it worth, but it seems that wasn't an option for them

[wicked rivet]

I have 0 motivation to do this event

[elder crane]

I'm running 1-2 10H comms daily and can't drain my canteen

[sharp obsidian]

Have any of you folks lost / almost lost to a non-meta Defense Fleet? If so, what was that fleet? 😄

[modern tree]

define non meta

[elder crane]

The last one of the sort was a while ago
I was running fringe Hiryuu/Amagi/Hood and lost to some sort of Hood(?)/SaraRetro/Enterprise team iirc

[modern tree]

anything that has Enterprise or Amagi can RNG a win on defense if other boats in the main fleet have any sort of damage

[elder crane]

if you mean non-top meta, there was that god-ykkz game, where I lost to a Amakaga (or was it a Nakaga?) cause ykkz 1v4 soloed my team

the first one I actually lost that match, the second one it took so long I had time to notice and reset

I mean, this is the image I always pull up about ykkz and sums up what she does
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/516951413411020819/583339152959995959/Screenshot_2019-05-23-12-54-19-738_com.YoStarEN.AzurLane.png

notice 2:26 on the timer

[sharp obsidian]

Non-meta Fleets are generally those not in T0-T2 of our Pinned Tier List 😄

[modern tree]

oh, so never

[vague token]

that ui layout

o.O

[modern tree]

I asked mostly because I'd say that anything that does not include at least Amagi is off meta garbage

but if we are going strictly by pinned tier list then I sometimes reset early against Nagato Amagi Enterprise because I genuinely cant be bothered to see if my backline can survive an airstrike and still kill her

[elder crane]

Ehh I've only ever had to reset once vs that, even when half the time I forget to set Amagi on Enty
Hiryuu's final counter usually just ends up carrying if you have bad RNG

[modern tree]

yeah but sometimes your frontline eats lucky e and nagato barrage really early and enterprise lives till the second strike

and if enterprise gets another lucky e with vg dead, then I am just not really interested in the outcome of it, its faster to reset

[coral wren]

Even with an under leveled fleet, i have to reset 10+ for every namagi, unless they are underleveled as well

[sharp wing]

Buy better RNG provider

[vague token]

Here's the all new RNG Booster, only 500 gems a month

[sharp wing]

Oppai lane

[coral wren]

enterprise
oppai
pick one

[sharp wing]

wdym

have you seen Enty oath?

She and Hood like to hide em before oath

[lament lichen]

Why is famine rank 2

[coral wren]

Hm, so if you are fighting even 1 position lower rank than you, it will end up being -1 for you?

[modern tree]

yes

[coral wren]

Oh no

[modern tree]

and if their score is 35 lower, its -2

[coral wren]

Fuck... it wasn't a screen bug then...

[modern tree]

and by -2 I mean 8

but yeah, the negative points stack up a bit faster than positive

[wicked rivet]

^

[coral wren]

5 not procced barrages. There is no way it's 70%. Not in exercises

[sharp wing]

[hot creek]

woah, just got Glorius from a drop.

My oil and sanity are saved.

[modern tree]

I cleared 46 times before she dropped, my oil and sanity are long gone

[hot creek]

gonna need all the oil you can get for french gun soon™

[sharp wing]

[modern tree]

I have a job, I was not farming a lot of it anyways

[shell heron]

That's a good amount of untouched mail oil. You would think some of us here used it up during our PR grind

[hot creek]

wow apparently I have two general BP in my mail I forgot about

event will give 44 BPs

[coral wren]

... how

[hot creek]

nvm, it only gives 30

was looking at wrong event

[trim horizon]

dev27 and half Saint Louis

[finite valve]

might give more if they change the mile stone reward

iris was before PR so they could add PR into the mile stone reward so just keep praying lel

[finite valve]

all those oil wasted on perm ship

which could be use on french gun

[sharp wing]

Well, you know, most ppl don't even know or care about that stuff

[ionic magnet]

p sure most ppls problem is time not oils

[sharp wing]

Hey, what? Are ya'll not neets?

[ionic magnet]

ex neet

[sharp wing]

[shy hazel]

how can i be a neet

when i can play at work

[wicked rivet]

Pog

[coral wren]

Oh man, if noone moves i'm fucked, ded lobby with all four of them way behind me

[sharp wing]

well, it was just reset

You can refresh each 5-10 after reset anyway and see what you get

[coral wren]

Nah, it wasn't a reset for shitshington yet

They should start rushing

thx god, first staag

[sharp wing]

i got 410 and 203 sk today

spamming free/common plates projects, while saving rupees for awakening

boosted gear bps income over ship bps

[coral wren]

I pro b should start doing that as well, no oil no gold

[sharp wing]

[coral wren]

Huh, can you not disassemble pr equip?

[sharp wing]

and i'm 31 down Glorious road...

you can

[coral wren]

Oh, you have to directly click over them

[sharp wing]

well, pr only ye

looks like it

381 shows up in dismantle screen tho

twin one

[shy hazel]

why would u dismantle it

trash pr gears are good paddings

to inflate fleet power

[sharp wing]

Well, it's like we have lock option on PR ships, tho we can't retire them anyway

Not like these things affect QoL anyway

[coral wren]

is 410 gold even usable for some ships?

[sharp wing]

triple?

[coral wren]

double

[sharp wing]

[coral wren]

As i thought..

[sharp wing]

some shenanigans

Like Dork mass debuffing, while farming vg mvp

[coral wren]

lel

[sharp wing]

[wicked rivet]

410 double

tbh for dork buffs

wait yeah

gold 410 double

[sharp wing]

confetti

[wicked rivet]

confetti cannon is best for getting VG mvps

[sharp wing]

cause even w/ default gun bb deals more damage

I will actually try it on Massa

Jp ppl said it works, but damage is weird

neither sum of pellets, nor single pellet

Though i got gold 406 saved for her anyway

[wicked rivet]

why gold and not the purple?

oh wait gold 406 normal ammo?

right, massa has MG type skill

and yeah I have no fucking clue how dmg is calculated for the confetti cannon

yes

[sharp wing]

massa converts confetti into regular shells

[wicked rivet]

[sharp wing]

But damage not equal to sum of confetti

[wicked rivet]

wtf

i want to see this

[sharp wing]

Well, JP ppl said, it not actually single confetti damage

More like shells before spliting has some default damage

also they have different damage modifiers from confetti

But, i will just try that out of curiosity, but permanent gun for Masa will be gold 406

yeah

22x10x2

that's base confetti damage

Yeah, they have diff modifiers

[wicked rivet]

[sharp wing]

I just thought the type 3 shell itself has some damage value before splitting, different from sum of fragments and from single fragment

[wicked rivet]

that would make too much sense sagi

[sharp wing]

yeah ,well

Just 1 guy from JP, who i asked to test it on Masa said, damage doesn't match neither

but whatever

It not gonna work anyway

[wicked rivet]

true

[sharp wing]

IDK why they even made diff modifiers for non split shell

Oh, Massa SHS have ability to inflict "Armor break" like AP ammo

[coral wren]

You know, i feel like if there was an actually decent uss flagship with strong buffs like nagato or broken like amagi, uss might have some best comps

[sharp wing]

waiting for Iowa to see

If anything happens

Inb4 we get broken Yamato before Iowa and it's totally doomed

[coral wren]

I want to see yamato to be a fucking pow level, just to have a good laugh

[sharp wing]

I just want to see yamato waifu, not some loli s

I already have to deal w/ nagato loli... I used Wasd all the way till June...

[shy hazel]

devs are potato

[sharp wing]

I'm watching sanrui w/ Mle and that MG+1 works really weird.... Sometimes it starts shootibg second salvo being only 2nd shell into 1st salvo, sometimes it shoots second salvo with delay after finishing 1st salvo

looks like it has to do with target acquisition

[hot creek]

wew, finally got a washing machine.

time to make nagato even more annoying.

[sharp wing]

She's already too annoying by refusing to barrage

[midnight heron]

tfw my 2nd 100mm aa is already 17/25 and my 1st washingmachine still at 18/25

[sharp wing]

Buy better RNG

did you do 100mm gun comms by any chance?

I built washing, but not enough for single 100mm yet

8 bps second washing

I prolly won't even build 100, cause i got over dozen 105

[elder crane]

My highest non-project-boosted PR equip bp count is still the meme 410s
I can almost build 2 now I think...

[sharp wing]

I joined confetti club pretty late

[elder crane]

Yeah, target aquisition is separate for the two guns in mgm+1 which can eventually desync(and resync) them

It's even more obvious with Roon gun

[sharp wing]

I'm 14/15 on my second gold sub torp

[elder crane]

Since that goes 3-6-3 shots with mgm+1 if target aquisition isn't an issue

Heh, I've 3 gold sub torps already

One of each

[sharp wing]

[elder crane]

Somehow just one purple sub torp too

[sharp wing]

Well, i only do boss drop x-5 aside from 3-5

[elder crane]

So basically just really good rng

Oh I only ever do 10-5 these days

[sharp wing]

yeah, 1 blue and 1 purp torp

but i got gold sonar and almost done w/ second...

[elder crane]

But yeah, Roon gun goes 3-6-3 if constantly firing, but if second gun delays due to no target, it becomes 3-3-3-3

[sharp wing]

yeah