pvp

[vague token]

gud doggo

[sharp wing]

[buoyant parrot]

[sharp wing]

Stay away

[vague token]

xD

[sharp wing]

BTW, why Amagi has BB cost...

[vague token]

cause she has bb stats

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

she just gets that sweet sweet +6 evade from maxed fleet tech

;)

[sharp wing]

Guess +1 oil goes to lube cough syrup

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

we could have an item reducing oil cost, you know

[vague token]

oh god

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

i mean

if it's a flat reduction

[sharp wing]

yeap

[vague token]

doesnt really matter who it goes on

xD

[sharp wing]

just flat - oil

[vague token]

at least Jet Fuel aux doesnt add fuel cost

;)

[sharp wing]

equally useful

Well, Azuma costs more, than SR BB

phat waifu

We should be happy, cost aint increases after lvl 100, lol

[vague token]

inb4 pvp costs oil

jk

[sharp wing]

Die.

And shipfu lose morale on death

[vague token]

[elder crane]

🇫 to Juneau then

And also to Nagato

[hot creek]

walled for 20 mins trying to fight against namryuu with my 120 HMS.

switched to my own underleveled IJN cancer and instantly won

fuck this gay ass meta

[vague token]

whoa

lets not toss around the g word

you gotta believe!

that yostar will hear our prayers!

xD

plz no bully

[hot creek]

they respond with WS kai, who is better used on IJN teams than HMS

[vague token]

[elder crane]

Hey the "best" wskai doesn't have more IJN than HMS until Azuma comes :P

And at that point it's just modified IJN with WSkai shoved in to arguably the overall detriment of the team

[vague token]

personally i prefer to see ships that synergize without faction buffs, but synergize through a higher level game plan xD

but that's too much for this game ;)

especially since the core theme is about bringing factions together

instead of separating them all out

xD

[elder crane]

Stall ship+ramping ship, etc., yeah

That'd be nice, I think

[vague token]

yeah

like fortune and yukikaze work on any team, the only reason ykk is better is because of that huge durability boost she gets from her skill

but they are the same role

[elder crane]

I think some of the pieces might be there already

[vague token]

juneau is universal too, although her numbers are a little silly cause of the way health works xD

[elder crane]

iirc one of the new USN CVs is a ramp-with-time ship

Well Juneau is basically a 20% dred on everything still alive when she sinks

[vague token]

one of the essex class?

[elder crane]

And otherwise unconditional too, Juneau

[vague token]

oh yeah shangri-la

with her weird fighter deploy

lol

[elder crane]

Tbh anyone with any experience in strat games should realize how broken Juneau's skill is for PvP relative to the usual AL powerline
But lol at devs caring about PvP really

Tbf we can forgive some of the release ships since they were designed when arguably "the devs didn't know better"

But did you know, iirc Amagi's skills are actually downtuned compared to what was originally planned?

[sharp wing]

un-broken

[elder crane]

Her buff and debuffs on an early leak, iirc, were even higher %
And then there was a huge fuss in CN over how OP it was

[vague token]

[elder crane]

Since the skill effect type is exactly the same in release as the leak, it should've been legit

[vague token]

dear god

she already has 230 base damage on the aimed shells

but higher debuff/buffs?

o.O

"here's your pve ez mode ship have fun"

[elder crane]

Well tbf we didn't see what barrage was like, so maybe that was uptuned

[vague token]

uptuned higher than every gun in the game

xD

[sharp wing]

I remember on leak she has 100% chance for barrage too

[hot creek]

dumb ship didn't even do anything special in ww2

[sharp wing]

[elder crane]

It was something like 15% stat reduction and evasion rate

[vague token]

i mean they didnt do anything with her she got hit by an earthquake lol

[elder crane]

I heard something about her overall structural integrity having design issues which didn't help when the earthquake struck

No idea on legitimacy of the info though

[silver root]

maybe the devs were planning to release ships on the same power level as amagi after

but the backlash made them back off

[vague token]

checking wiki

the amagi class was eating away at the ijn limited budget

then naval treaty happened

so they just ripped all the guns

for coastal defense

so amagi wasnt really finished

the other 2 amagi class (takao and atago LOL) were just cancelled

and well

we know what akagi is like

_>

[sharp wing]

There was actually aircraft carrier Amagi

[vague token]

yeah but not built from our amagi

[elder crane]

Well I suppose Bis supports the "backed off on OP ships" theory

[vague token]

the fast battleship

(and kgv =P)

[elder crane]

Arguably more battlecruisery, but it's a blurry line

[vague token]

well, fast battleship is pretty vague

[elder crane]

iirc the armour would've been thin to be considered a true "fast battleship"

[vague token]

although OG amagi class was planned to be 16in guns lol

[elder crane]

But then again refits are a thing

[vague token]

og amagi class would have been ....

47k tons

isnt that thiccer than most of the fast battleships lol

[elder crane]

OG Amagi would be like Hood/RN BCs in general in overall design considerations
Not surprising since IJN tradition/theory is developed off the British

Her armor was pretty thin, thinner than even the WW1 BBs as originally designed

[vague token]

oh ok hood was about that much too

[elder crane]

But retrofits means it's all speculation by the time of ww2

[vague token]

lets get amagi class takao and atago

for ultimate confusion and ara ara power

xD

[sharp wing]

We might get Akagi bc

[elder crane]

AL's medium armour designation on as-designed Amagi makes total sense there

[sharp wing]

[elder crane]

Inb4 Akagi BC+ Kaga BB becomes a thing

[vague token]

kaga bb doesnt have a pair skill though

so it wouldnt really be anything special

[elder crane]

And then Akaga is revived

[vague token]

xD

[elder crane]

Hey we have one-sided pairs so...

[vague token]

oh i guess she could work like wash

true

[elder crane]

Eg WaSD and arguably Bismarck/Tirp

And stuff like Port/Indy or Vestal/Enty

[vague token]

im not big on pairs personally but yeah

[elder crane]

Not that either of those pairings are actually used

Hey lol Portland and Cosplay Portland's obsession skills are both one-sided

[vague token]

sadly it still doesnt help portland do damage that much xD

[elder crane]

Does that mean Wash is also secretly another cosplay Portland?

[vague token]

na hers is more like vegeta

wont let sodak die until she can 1v1 her herself

;)

eternal rivalry xD

[elder crane]

Well the historical precident for the skillset is kinda different

From "rivalry"

[sharp wing]

Very

[vague token]

didnt the wash crew hate the credit that sodak received or something like that

i forget

[sharp wing]

wash used Sodako as bait

[vague token]

i mean

to be fair

[sharp wing]

Sodako actually didn't recieve credit, wash did

[vague token]

sodak got unlucky and got caught out and had no idea where her allies were

because lol power failure

[sharp wing]

Sodako literally did all the hard job and got booted

Like real life, you know

[vague token]

xD

[elder crane]

Sodako did nothing but sandbag and so got very little credit

[vague token]

worse, she had 0 comms, no detection ability, and no guns, and no movement

[elder crane]

And was on fire and so visible to everyone

[vague token]

only survived because enemies were using fireworks

;))))))))))

gun sucked as much irl as it does in game

[sharp wing]

[elder crane]

Well Wash uses the same guns sooo...

[vague token]

(although sure it would have been fine for bombarding an air field )

[elder crane]

Oh you mean the IJN

[vague token]

i meant sanshiki

yeah

[elder crane]

Yeah cause surprise surprise, that was the plan

[vague token]

yeah

[elder crane]

Bombard airfield

[vague token]

i mean that fight was a mess

because admiral what's his name didnt trust radar

yet

DESPITE radar being a big deal he was like lol na

and then both sides straight up surprise rounded each other

"oops"

[elder crane]

Lots of friendly fire too

And lots of "wait oops friendly fire"
"Lol nvm wasn't a friendly, all good"

[vague token]

honestly it's still weird that wash absorbs a bit of damage from sodak

like damage boost and invuln make sense

cause she's taking advantage of sodak eating everything

but why does she then transfer damage

[sharp wing]

She absorbs that when sodako below 30%

[vague token]

yeah it's just weird concept

[sharp wing]

Well

not really

not really

not really

discord dying again

[elder crane]

Iirc it's not absorb but straight dred
Which makes sense since irl wash saved sodak by killing the threats

[sharp wing]

bloody hell

discord dying again

bloody hell

[vague token]

uh, no

it's transfer

[shy hazel]

anyways

[vague token]

unless wiki is wrong

unless you mean absorb as like negates

[sharp wing]

she eats 30% of Sodakos damage

[shy hazel]

iris was corfirmed rerun for jpcn right

en too soon

[sharp wing]

yeah

[shy hazel]

[sharp wing]

En original

[shy hazel]

ik

ships dont matter

[sharp wing]

Ofc, cause it's only big event

[vague token]

GUNS

[shy hazel]

its the gun

[vague token]

BIG

FRENCH

GUNS

[sharp wing]

There no other big events left

[elder crane]

Huh never realized any dmg was transferred at all

[sharp wing]

There no other big events left

[vague token]

i mean

maybe the description is wrong

[elder crane]

Essex event technicallyish

And anniversary

[vague token]

taihou and essex =D

[sharp wing]

essex IS anniversary

essex is 1st anniv limited build

[elder crane]

There's also a separate event for fighting Essex

[sharp wing]

wdym

[elder crane]

Server boss raid

[sharp wing]

You mean air raids?

[vague token]

gotta beat up the kouhai

[elder crane]

Iirc with the other Essex classes

In construction

And independence in light

[sharp wing]

That's the locked daily

[elder crane]

And a huge fuss over having two pools with limited ships at once

Which sadly is now standard it seems...

[sharp wing]

But those are perma

[elder crane]

Kizai and lolisv2

Neither are perma

[vague token]

i still have 0 new smol boats

[sharp wing]

more like lena clevelad rateup

[vague token]

=/

[elder crane]

Lolisv3 are perma at least

[vague token]

light build is 100% evil

[sharp wing]

i spent 800+ cubes for Aurora so

[elder crane]

Yeah 3 light elites I still am missing

Iirc <0.3% on each

[sharp wing]

pools just too inflated

[elder crane]

Also isn't locked daily the Challenge rankings?

[sharp wing]

air raids with essex?

[elder crane]

Basically non-event-locked EX back to back, boss rush

No Essex raid is a different thing

[sharp wing]

hmm

[elder crane]

There's a boss rush mode too, works like a permanent EX with chained fights

There's a boss rush mode too, works like a permanent EX with chained fights

No cost, leaderboard at end, you fight multiple challenges each given score like EX

[sharp wing]

that's diff thing

[elder crane]

If ships live you can choose to continue, and summed score taken at end

It's under dailies tab though

Well, will be under once it's added

[vague token]

oh like an endurance run

?

[elder crane]

Iirc you can adjust the power lv of enemies too, bonus for higher powerlv

I tried it once in CN and realized, "what's the point?" And never did it again

But iirc there was a recent event for JPCN where they updated that thing and handed out rewards for getting ranked

Wait iirc actually it was rewards for hitting a score threshold

[vague token]

owo

[elder crane]

Also it's not the Essex raid, though that also has rewards for personal score total thresholds

I suppose avrora server will hit the total score req for killing Essex lightning-fast
Fastest server to beat up the kouhai

[vague token]

xD

[finite valve]

essex raid is for shangrila right?

[sharp wing]

ye

[vague token]

i wish there was a gold twin 406/410 ap gun

where the 457 at with 50 bp requirement

xD

[sharp wing]

well we have triple 410 ap

[vague token]

well i still prefer the faster shoot time

cause barrage forever

i just want the base damage up like 410 he twin

just gotta wait a year for 457mm

X-x

[sharp wing]

well triple 410 faster than 406

nvm

[vague token]

triple 410 is good but it's still 4 slower than twin 457

err 3.5

[sharp wing]

that's triple 381 faster 406

[vague token]

oh yeah that makes sense though

although it isnt a lot

xD

[sharp wing]

below 1 sec

[vague token]

yeah

[sharp wing]

just FP boost for low fp ships or timed barrage boats

well, same as triple 410, but remainign HE

[vague token]

yeah

god every time i sort by dps on the wiki table

i get trolled by sanshiki gun

xD

[sharp wing]

ohboi

[vague token]

if only the shell itself did damage before exploding

into the pellets

even though that makes 0 sense

xD

[sharp wing]

Like... WTF

If it explodes midair

how would that work, lol

Hit a birb

[vague token]

i mean im ok with sanshiki being lost cause aa stat boost

it's w/e

at least it covers wide areas for jihad boats

if we had more "on hit" type bb skills

i guess it'd be interesting

but dork is like the only one

or like a bb with a barrage that triggers on hit

kirishima's barrage could have been that and you could use sanshiki to trigger more sanshiki

and just cover the screen

xD

[sharp wing]

cover screen w/ useless confetti

[vague token]

;)

what even is the base damage on kirishima's confetti lol

is it the same?

is it higher?

xD

[sharp wing]

raw damage is pretty high

Oh, she is BC, i thought BB

[vague token]

oh yeah she and her sisters all have weird skills lol

[sharp wing]

Would be good, if EN wiki not showed just total barrage damage to each armor type, but also shell type, count adn damage

[vague token]

hiei and her really bad version of sodak's tank skill

xD

[sharp wing]

Oof! memefleet pushed top 30

[wicked rivet]

my list is dead

[vague token]

im like -5 matches cause tired

so woo

im free

[wicked rivet]

F

good job

[vague token]

if you somehow get me let me know

and ill rush

[wicked rivet]

congrats

will do

[sharp wing]

Time to get a lyfe

[wicked rivet]

what rank r u

[vague token]

938 atm

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

i usually sleep through a reset

xD

it's fineeee

[sharp wing]

Eh. me too

Cause it's usually impossible to do 10 tix before sleep not yeeting +9

and then i just sleep through 2 resets

[vague token]

at least i was 1 time rank 10

when the great disaster struck

and all the top sand baggers ate -5 lol

[sharp wing]

Great Calamity

[shy hazel]

@『

i was like

hory shit kiro is in top ten

[vague token]

it's ok it'll never happen again

xD

but ill never stop bragging ;))))))))

[shy hazel]

it shant happen again

[wicked rivet]

Ive only lost 2 this season

[shy hazel]

[wicked rivet]

but my sandbagging luck has been absolute shite

where u pointin that thing

[vague token]

mexican stand off

[wicked rivet]

oh lawd

he has a gun

💨

[sharp wing]

Time to wait for another shikikan to fall into trap

[wicked rivet]

ITS TIME

fuck im out of gold

[vague token]

[wicked rivet]

welp

nuggies gets a +6 then

[sharp wing]

[wicked rivet]

should I put +10 bofors or +10 SKC on ibuki

[sharp wing]

Heresy

[wicked rivet]

nani

[sharp wing]

OwO found full 120 fleet on Sandy

[wicked rivet]

is it trump

[sharp wing]

Sandy
Trump

[wicked rivet]

yes

have u seen his team

the whole wall squad

[sharp wing]

trump on Avrora?

[wicked rivet]

with a level 110 (probably 120 now) sandy named "TUNNEL"

yes?

[sharp wing]

I say Sandy

[wicked rivet]

oh

I

misread that

i need slepe

[sharp wing]

120 nep in IJn fleet

[shy hazel]

🙈

looks dumbeasy to beat

cos neptune

[sharp wing]

Compared to this

sure

tho low lvls...

[hot creek]

Aurora is best third slot for namaryuu VG imo

I almost want to oath her just so I can rename her to IJN Aurora

[vague token]

xD

[sharp wing]

[sharp obsidian]

We need to update the Tier List pinned here 😮

Oh nvm, it was already updated ❤

[odd schooner]

Not sure if Belfast smoke helps on nagato big 7

Does it?

[vague token]

it does

it's just flat evade rate

same as all smokes

[trim horizon]

[vague token]

xD

[sharp wing]

You need 100 rerolls for that

[odd schooner]

-1 so early

[ionic magnet]

rank 8 w/ 5 charges

[shell heron]

I'm behind you by 4 points

Had a few +0 resets early on

[lament lichen]

top 3 already

[cerulean estuary]

wat

well every season is weird already🍆

[modern tree]

This season is sort of understandably dead. A lot of people got caught with no levels

[sharp wing]

THere very few 120 fleets, and even then you can deal with them w/ 110

it's just that time

[sharp wing]

[lament lichen]

say wat

[ionic magnet]

[sharp wing]

PVE players commenting on PVP

or idk

[finite valve]

sound like #alhistory for me since he compare her to iowa?

tbh he mix a lot of shit in that 1 paragraph that i have 0 idea what he is talking about

[modern tree]

Just use carriers loool

Just use AP loooool

[ionic magnet]

he goes from amagi can be op to shes not game changing like enty/akaga

[lament lichen]

if it was history then amagi already ded

[coral wren]

Approx, how much dmg counts as burn dmg in an average match?

I mean, i'd gladly drop some stuff on game feedback tonight or tomorrow, but having some rough numbers would be great

Because then you meet guys like this who will shill for amagi

[finite valve]

caring what noob have to say about mechanic in pvp that do not even talk once in the channel

for shit like that i just say whatever

[modern tree]

More seriously. Sure she has no AA, but if you live in a meta where you can still sink the vg with carriers then you probably don't actually know much about how oppressive Amagi is

[finite valve]

amagi alone is not going to deal any kind of insane dmg

[sharp wing]

Amagi is sadistic towards opponent

[finite valve]

her role is a buffer for the team

[modern tree]

That's wrong

[sharp wing]

amagi usually mvp

[ionic magnet]

650x3x10 = 19500 fire dmg per fight

[coral wren]

421 fp, dude

[sharp wing]

cause 50% Nagato...

[ionic magnet]

very rough estimate

[modern tree]

Amagi is busted precisely because she deals insane damage on top of the buffs

[finite valve]

most of the time my foxes take mvp lel

[sharp wing]

lol

[finite valve]

i don't play enough of the other comp to tell how busted is her dmg

[modern tree]

Her barrage shells have 224 base damage, she has 450 fp and she shoots twice

[sharp wing]

I mean sure foxes will win dps race ws anyone

that's not the point

[modern tree]

Her damage even if she doesn't barrage twice in a row is going to be higher than any non barrage boat

AND THEN

She takes away your offensive stats and ability to hit backline

Then you realize that her barrage is aimed so she's not crippled by her ability to sink shit fast like Monarch

I can write a book on this anomaly that we call Amagi. Shame her pve performance is weak because only AA matters in lategame content : )

[sharp wing]

slap 127 and gold aa radar on her and she's fine

[coral wren]

Well, at this point i just think of making a collective feedback on pvp. Just throw some data on unbalanced things, setup diversity, broken shit etc so maybe we could combine it all

[shy hazel]

new,staff huh

new helpless person in en server when bugs plague the game

[sharp wing]

[wicked rivet]

"Amagi alone isnt gonna deal insane damage"
Wtf are you smoking, do u even use her

[blazing scroll]

Lmao

[abstract cypress]

mb he means the cd reduction with ijn

still busted without it

[buoyant parrot]

The hell? Amagi alone DOES inlifct insane damage. There corrected.

[abstract cypress]

idk when yostar stop this ijn busty train

[wicked rivet]

never

[midnight heron]

woow finally got staag + 2nd ryuusei at the same time

[wicked rivet]

naicu

[elder crane]

@coral wren
@ionic magnet
I did fire damage tracking before
Something like 1/3 of all damage dealt to main is by fires vs a 3 BB/BC team, about proportionally less (but a bit more than that) for 2 BB/BC
let me check my old posts to confirm that

[coral wren]

Please do

[elder crane]

oh whoops I seem to have said 1/4 vs 3 BB teams, average 5k of fires taken per main fleet ship

"
vs Novae Nagato/Amagi/Hiryuu/Belfast/Juneau/Yukikaze
13401/12896
with Nagato/Hiryuu/Amagi/Belfast/Juneau/Yukikaze
13386/12883
(2 boiler on Jun, FE/box on ykkz, Badge Hiryuu, HFCR Amagi)

1. Win, 15k fires taken on main fleet, 1% HP left on main when exiting match (estimated vs total HP pool including Jun, pearl, and ykkz heals)
2. Win, 6.5k fires, 1/4 HP left
3. Win, 3k fires, <1/5 HP left
4. Win, 8k fires, <10% HP left
5. Win, 11k fires, ~15% HP left
6. Win, 8.5k fires, ~5% HP left
7. Win, 11k fires, 1/5 HP left
8. Loss, 5k fires, ~10% HP left
9. Win, 7k fires, 1/2 HP left
10. Win, 14k fires, <5% HP left
11. Win, 9k fires, , <5% HP left
12. Loss, 8k fires, , 0 HP left
13. Win, 5k fires, 1/2 HP left
14. Win, 7k fires, 2/3 HP left
15. Win, 5k fires, 1% HP left
16. Win, 14k fires, 1/5 HP left
    That super variable fire damage
    "
    for one dataset, for vs 2BB team

https://youtu.be/ie8xph60SIk
I think this the the vid I used

also that's 14/16 wins
before 120 and PR and non-Belfast setups, which should (I think) all increase offense winrate

don't forget to adjust the numbers for remaining HP, to estimate what the full fire damage would be if the team was fully killed (aka what the % taken is)

also the fire damage numbers are somewhat approximate (probably on the high end actually) since, well, you try keeping track of every fire tick on one main fleet in a PvP match

[ionic magnet]

those fire values are from your team or enemy team?

[elder crane]

on my own team

[ionic magnet]

ah thought so. no wonder its lower than than expected

whats this all for again btw

[elder crane]

doesn't the offense vs defense damage difference not affect fires?

[ionic magnet]

hmm not sure actually

[elder crane]

oh, the two tagged guys were discussing fires

in any case I don't see why the overall % damage taken by fires on main would be significantly different for offense/defense

damage numbers will be lower ofc since your offense team usually wins, idk how significantly so though since mirror-namayuu usually ends with the winning team very low HP anyways

[coral wren]

Yeah, we were just interested on how much amagi's 15% fire reduction impacts overall your/enemy fleet

[ionic magnet]

seeing that im getting burned for 800ish dmg on offense

i guess safe to say it doesnt affect fires

[elder crane]

yeah, that's what I remembered, but it's been a while

overall, it's a nice bonus, amagi's fire damage reduction, but not super impactful

and vs 3BB FE on main is not ridiculous but is probably still meme

[coral wren]

What would bring her down as a powerhouse in current meta? fp down to 367 with evasion bonus cut in half?

[elder crane]

make her barrage Bismarck/KGV levels and it'd be a nice peg down in power

I'd keep her uniqueness as a buff/debuff ship imo

maybe even boost those a bit and remove barrage altogether

[coral wren]

Is there a dmg rough numbers per shell somewhere? Daxxam mentioned it to be a 200+ smth per bullet

I just wanna compile some info and throw it into game feedback besides some of ideas i heard there

[elder crane]

well
226X4 targeted
156X6 straight
25X16 spray
124X4 torps

first two normal ammo .9/1.2/.7 mods
spray is AP .9/.7/.4
torps are torps at .8/1/1.2

[coral wren]

Rn the easiest way for them to bring that bullshit down would be cutting numbers exclusively for pvp, like they did with ws kai with her 80% fp in pvp

[elder crane]

torps have 1.1 weapon mod, rest are all at 100%

[elder crane]

afaik yes

ykkz being an exception iirc (based on other people's observations) because for AL devs, "lol what is consistency"

I didn't do the testing btw, just the analysis on the resulting numbers

[wicked rivet]

wait how is yuki an exception?

[elder crane]

apparently her "set damage to one" skill works on fire damage

spaghetti code ftw!

[wicked rivet]

oh welp

[elder crane]

afaik nothing else other from actual immunity or skills that specifically mention fires work

[wicked rivet]

nice

i mean i guess it kinda makes sense

cause it inflicts a set amount of damage every tick

[elder crane]

I don't remember it specifically but I iirc ykkz's skill works on a per-tick basis

as in, it can activate on one tick and not another

which is not the same as the fire damage dreds

the only other things that affects fire damage that way, as in it can activate for some ticks of the same fire and not other, are the immunity skills (actual, not 100% evasion skills) and the restriction that fires can't kill a ship in PvP

[wicked rivet]

that would make the most sense

[elder crane]

Hiei-chan's skill doesn't do that btw, it activates on fires set during it's timeframe and affects the entire fire

[wicked rivet]

fires cant kill a bote in pvp?

huh

[elder crane]

nope, only down to 1 HP
relevant for Eldridge and Enty mainly

also relevant for fires not procing Hiryuu's skill (or WaSD on-"death" immunity)

[coral wren]

Well, on average her skill should negate something between 1k to 1.5k of fire dmg which is kinda meh, but her evasion buff along with -10% of dmg on the other hand...

[elder crane]

yeah, the fire part for PvP is just a bonus

[coral wren]

Well, in this case i agree, tuning down her fp along with barrage tuning should do the trick

Is accuracy equal to evasion when it comes to calculating the chance of hitting?

[elder crane]

noooope

hitrate minus level and luck mods and skill mods is:
[hitrate]=0.1+[hit]/([hit]+[evasion])

which doesn't tell you much, better to directly compare % for different sets of values on hit/evasion

but then you have luck mods and stuff and the scaling gets all wonky

it's why I made a whole spreadsheet to compare aux loadouts
and then it's only for one matchup

[wicked rivet]

so what we need is

a 3D graph

comparing hit, eva, and luck

[elder crane]

luckily only one matchup matters for PvP right now

[wicked rivet]

true

so how does luck factor in?

[elder crane]

0.1% evarate/hitrate mod per point of luck difference

[wicked rivet]

[elder crane]

so like ykkz vs amagi has ~6.5% higher hitrate and evarate

[wicked rivet]

time to redownload matlab on my pc

[elder crane]

though that's pretty much as extreme as it gets

[wicked rivet]

yea cause 23 vs 98 luck

huh

[sharp wing]

There more extreme case, PR w/ 0 fate

[wicked rivet]

oh yuki has 93 luck

and 23

[sharp wing]

0 luck vs 93 luck

[wicked rivet]

so its a 7% diff

or 95 with headband

[finite valve]

so how is everyone 120 farm go so far?

got 4 120 for me

[sharp wing]

Pvp will lvl them eventually

[finite valve]

[sharp wing]

Finally managed 30k for hull dev

sanrui projects

[vague token]

only sara and amagi are 120 atm xD

[sharp wing]

Fetish are what important

Don't you drink at me

[coral wren]

Yeah, that's a great diversity in pvp... jesus

[sharp wing]

metanation

Well, Sandy getting more and more 119-120 fleetws

[modern tree]

Nah, it has the same number, you are just higher on leaderboard

[shell heron]

My PvP fleet is just 120/120/114 + 116/120/114 so far

you can kinda guess who is what level

[elder crane]

Juneau at 116 for me, rest are 118 or above
only amagi maxed, but well, it's amagi so....

[shell heron]

on the bright side. ch12 is amazing for juneau

still don't really want to use hiryuu so getting her to 120 is not fun

[modern tree]

Good thing that hiryuu on offense is optional

[elder crane]

imma try a jank ch12 strat right now
hiryuu+ykkz+1/2 other VGs at safe, only fighting 2* nodes once she starts proccing final counter

I see most 2* fights lasting really short so it might work

[modern tree]

I don't know how useful that is but I am pretty sure health threshold skills work on any health change so using a toolbox should mean free ykkz heal at 15 seconds without taking any damage, that could proc counter again

I tested it very long time ago tho, might be full of shit

Spaghetti code

[elder crane]

well it's one proc per fight, and the delay before main starts taking dmg even if the ykkz part doesn't work means hiryuu should make it to her strike
and hopefully that wipes off the map before her immunity wears off and more damage starts coming in

[modern tree]

Could bring u556 and get worlds first use of her ability

[wicked rivet]

118/120/120 for backline

And like

112/115/112 for front

[elder crane]

lol nvm I think it doesn't work at all and in an unsalvageable way
map airstrike should kill her
So far have been lucky and am 5/6 fights in with 0 airstrikes met

we'll see once the luck runs out

[steep fog]

amagi and nagato are 120 day 1

ykkz is 114

the rest still 10 lol

110*

but I uncapped them so they can gain exp in pvp

♿

[elder crane]

lowest two are 116 Juneau and 117 Sheff for me
118 ykkz nagato, 119 Hiryuu, 120 Amagi

it's like one week per 2 lv in dorm

[steep fog]

not lvl in w12

[elder crane]

worse than that iirc

[steep fog]

cant go down now when w12 exp is so juicy

[elder crane]

ehh I used 0 CVL in w12 anyways

[steep fog]

im running 90s prinz leip spee in w12 lol

[elder crane]

I prolly plan to continue 0 CVL usage at safe
repair ships solve all your AA issues and are enough healing anyways

22k damage vestal so far the highest I've noted for just pure AA damage on a repair ship
Wiped all the planes from a 3* CV node

[modern tree]

I like 3 AA radars vestal

makes me feel good

[finite valve]

>not even a crane

lel

[modern tree]

crane is shit

[finite valve]

never said they ain't

[modern tree]

you use it only on Akashi cuz its toolbox health and it gets boosted by paw

its useless for vestal

[finite valve]

they need to increase the heal % like base on said ship HP

not 15 hp per tick

[elder crane]

well the heal is more useful than most other stuff you can put on if AA isn't needed

[finite valve]

and it is not even team heal

gg

[elder crane]

but it's ch12 and that's that

[finite valve]

just use sandy + lusty and you good lel

[elder crane]

or just use one repair ship

[finite valve]

lusty 1 fleet sandy other

[elder crane]

and you're even free to use whatever VG too if it's vestal since she zombifies anything

[finite valve]

don't need to jam everything in 1

[elder crane]

then add in a main fleet dmg carry and should be an easy 3-man team, hopefully

[finite valve]

at least i almost finish my pvp team

only jesus left

[elder crane]

Testing target spotted?

I'm actually lower level on my fleet

[coral wren]

Did i fuck up calculations? 0.67 hit rate for monarch vs amagi without her 10% evasion and 0.65 with

[elder crane]

amagi is 10% evasion rate

and yes, hitrates aren't that high, which is why +hit on main is very important

[modern tree]

unless you are Warspite you need acc items

[elder crane]

even WS wants +hit too

and frick I killed him by accident while messing with my recording software

whyyyyy did the new update change the interface ffs

[modern tree]

if you are on emulator then kill the wifi within the emu to stop the results upload

[elder crane]

nah wasn't fast enough

[modern tree]

you can do it on loading screen

[elder crane]

I saw the "battle complete" thing pop up

that's when I noticed

but wtf is with the trend nowadays on software to change the UI like every month ffs

[vague token]

xD

[elder crane]

I was like halfway past when I noticed it wasn't recording
I should've paused, but was lazy, and so just clicked again
apparently now hitting record brings up a menu screen unless you disable that, and doesn't start recording

and once I figure that out I see "battle complete!"

well I guess I'll keep searching for test subjects and lving my own fleet

[vague token]

[finite valve]

better than me tbh

i can't care enough about pvp to test shit

just slap shit together and hope RNG favor me

[stark raft]

my meme team pure rng

they kill backline before even touching enemy vg sometime

[coral wren]

Can you fight the same opponent 2 times?

[modern tree]

yes

happens sometimes at high ranks

but you have to roll into them after your first game and its random

[coral wren]

Im 3k

[modern tree]

3k is rather unlikely

[coral wren]

Idk fighting the same opponent 2 times in a row seems strange to me

Its not fair too

But i guess pvp in AL isnt serious

[modern tree]

its not like you are getting more points because you are fighting the guy you just beat

[coral wren]

I mean if you can keep fighting someone you can beat it would be unfair

[modern tree]

its random, happens extremly rarely and probably never 2 times in a row because of the mechanics governing rolling for the new opponent

pvp has a lot of mechanics you could complain about instead

[coral wren]

Xd

[sharp wing]

Anyway, due to Offense side buffs and ability to restart any battle infinite number of times not losing tickets makes it trivial. you can win anything eventually w/ good RNG even with weaker comp

And if you have equal comp as opponent, you basically win by default due to buff

[coral wren]

Why does offense side have buffs tho

[sharp wing]

Ask devs

[coral wren]

Who is that Emma

First time i see thwm

[sharp wing]

I mean, from devs point of view (and most playerbase) it's just casual wifu collector pve game

[modern tree]

so pvp is more acessible to people that do not spend 12 hours a day investing their neet hours into a mobile game

[sharp wing]

Emma is new staff member

read #server-news

Look, patchnotes

[coral wren]

Ol i never read server news i guess

Unless somth happens

[sharp wing]

clubs and server and game news are only unmuted channels for me

[coral wren]

I have turned off all the notifications

[sharp wing]

That's an option too

[coral wren]

Proly a bad idead but im kinda lazy to turn them on

[sharp wing]

90% of my servers are just muted totally

[wicked rivet]

tfw

enemy VG still basically full health after first foxstrike
my VG is almost dead, ibuki at 1 health and yuki at like 10%
suddenly, DORK happens
enemy VG obliterated
my backline has full health
enemy nakagi squad gets rekt by a single big seven proc and literally 0 other barrage procs

[sharp wing]

Sounds like enemy Akaga used no oil tanks and shitplanes for fast launch

[wicked rivet]

my vanguard was literally demolished by their airstrike

they were using good shit

[sharp wing]

Cause yr main wouldn't have full health after eating touch down from planes

you don't even have junie

[wicked rivet]

full health is an exageration but they were barely touched

[sharp wing]

well, than what i said about their setup

[wicked rivet]

ur just jelly of my stronk dork

[sharp wing]

[wicked rivet]

[sharp wing]

Give her some blood as reward

[wicked rivet]

oh i do

trust me

every mvp she gets I give her a bite

[sharp wing]

What part you let her bite usually?

[wicked rivet]

my neck usually

sometimes my arm

if she's really good then she gets a stomach bite

[sharp wing]

[stark raft]

when she whispers hebi

[sharp wing]

[wicked rivet]

[stark raft]

Not even wiki has her "lil kitten" line

such a shame

[wicked rivet]

lil kitten line?

[sharp wing]

Hmm, wiki removed planes HP stat...

@stark raft

[wicked rivet]

ohhhh

that

Ive never used her with scharn

actually scratch that

I've never used scharn at all

[sharp wing]

Not many committed such a feat

This line has no translation on cn/jp quotes

[wicked rivet]

i want her to call me a kitten

[sharp wing]

Then cuddle and pat you

[wicked rivet]

not to sound like a weeb at all but

[sharp wing]

and succ u dry

[wicked rivet]

headpats are the best

yes

[sharp wing]

Death from anemia

In Dorks embrace

[wicked rivet]

best way to go

I wish the gold BB gun was on par with the mk6

[sharp wing]

We will get gold mk7 anywa w/ Iowa

[wicked rivet]

really what teh FRICK is an mk7

[sharp wing]

Signature Iowa gun

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16"/50_caliber_Mark_7_gun

[wicked rivet]

this picture of a real gun explains evertything I need to know about a weeb anime boat girl game thanks

[sharp wing]

[wicked rivet]

[sharp wing]

I mean, those guns, Iowa, yamato, Alaska etc. were leaked like half year ago

It's basically due to those gun leaks Iowa and Yamato are assumed to be coming in 1st place

Hope they make Alaskas CBs too

since they use 305mm guns

[sharp wing]

Those 830 burn ticks from Nyaga barrage on opponent without Amagi, lol

[waxen crater]

Hey guys how good is aurora? I was thinking of leveling her but then I’d have like 6 leveled CLs lol

Too bad I don’t have Amagi or nagato to make that team thrive

Maybe I’ll hold off leveling her then...

I hear she’s a pve boss though

[sharp wing]

The problem is to slot her in pvp vg. w/ Junie tank and Yukie she can take middle spot. Or you have to drop junie for full offesne team w/ Aurora, like Akaga

[modern tree]

Aurora is moderately niche in pve

shes really damn nice to have against bosses that she affects and otherwise just maybe okay

you can slap her on any pvp comp to kill the vanguard faster, and if that makes you win, cool!

the problem is that you are giving up more defensive slots and outside of carriers, hitting vg is sort of very random

[sharp wing]

that's the problem, as i said

[modern tree]

if you like Torpedos shes fine, if you have a strong CV, shes fine, if your comp has neither, then you are gambling

[stark raft]

Nakaga with Sirius/Aurora is quite stronk might be overkill tho

[sharp wing]

Fortune in non hms fleet is pretty underwhelming

(QE)

[modern tree]

Fortune is irrelevant with Ykkz

[sharp wing]

HMS DDs period

[modern tree]

sure, you lose like 7% protection, but you get it back in healing and having overal a better boat

[sharp wing]

They are underwhelming by definition

[modern tree]

Javelin is best HMS DD and that is basically enough said

[stark raft]

oh fortune, ffs I thought it was aurora lmao

[sharp wing]

ohboi

[modern tree]

[sharp wing]

Well, Siri + Aurora Nakaga will apparently wipe vg

(till you see Sanrui)

[stark raft]

need to stop grinding jesus

[sharp wing]

[stark raft]

should have sanrui by now but solo jun pr grind

[elder crane]

just swap aurora for Sendai and the -eva game still keeps up

[sharp wing]

my sendai not even 100 period

[elder crane]

well you need 230-something PR bps to reach dev25 to make sanrui usable

so not in a rush I'd say

[modern tree]

srs/sendai should be about as effective as Aurora

[elder crane]

and sanrui has DpS as a not-unimportant part of her setup

[modern tree]

you can run all 3 if you hate yourself

[elder crane]

which she scales up all the way to dev30 on

[sharp wing]

120 grind is not casual friendly

[elder crane]

at dev25 I'd say for sure Nep>Sanrui
Since Nep is more about her own tankiness and less about damage, compared to Sanrui

[sharp wing]

to make dev 25 you'd need to convert BPs tho

I rather save them for sanrui or at all

[stark raft]

Nep 112 nanoda 115 Jun 116 Fuck me

[sharp wing]

Cube comms is a thing

🐳 for and do projects

[modern tree]

I mean, good for them, now they can do the same thing they could do with monarch at dev20

except shes better in pvp I guess

[sharp wing]

np

there ppl whaling few hundread a month

[stark raft]

You absolutely can have dev 25 with no converts

[wicked rivet]

My ibuki is dev25

[sharp wing]

Well, i have lvling yet to do... and that will take ages for me

So no point BP rush

eh

I just run full pvp fleet at w12 mobbing

[elder crane]

well dev25 makes a pretty big difference for Monarch

[stark raft]

Oil chuggers

[elder crane]

reaching her full defensive potential means she becomes the tankiest mob fleet BB

[modern tree]

eeeeh, nah

[sharp wing]

Well, i never farmed for gold

[elder crane]

you can start zombie-fleeting with her and ykkz

[sharp wing]

Who has time for that, lol

[elder crane]

or stuff like that

[modern tree]

I did that at like dev16

Monarchs barrage is fucking stupid

[elder crane]

yeah but just a normal BB is better for that

cause the total healing doesn't make up for the lower HP

[modern tree]

normal bb does not instantly erase double BB spawns with barrage

[elder crane]

I'm specifically talking about her zombie potential smh

please read what I'm saying

[sharp wing]

Funny thing, normal Big7 has more damage vs light, than Sakura Big7

[elder crane]

less focused though

[modern tree]

okay, but if you kill enemies you are never using the passive so you never have to zombie anything

[elder crane]

say that to ch12 plane spam

unless you think you can kill all in 15 s

stuff like that Monarch's zombie potential feels like it should be very useful

allows you to skimp on the fleet a lot more

right now you need a good amount of AA, which can be expensive, or main fleet healing, which is expensive
but with a dev25 monarch the main fleet healing part should need no/very little further investment

[modern tree]

or you can just run any ship with Vestal holding 3 AA radars

you get everything

I do not see how Monarch would be better

but you can tell me and I will try it

I am in a mood and I have a really fat Monarch

[elder crane]

and that allows 1:1?
I feel Monarch might allow 1:1 ch12

[modern tree]

Monarch cant 1:1 w12 without sandy kai

its possible

[elder crane]

for now best I can do is 2:1 ch12

[modern tree]

just not without Sandy kai

[sharp wing]

Isuzu will cover you

[elder crane]

Hiryuu could do it if it wasn't for them pesky map air raids

[modern tree]

Isuzu cant cover you because she doesnt have the damage of Sandy

[elder crane]

Isuzu will die and you'll be sad

[sharp wing]

sane like sandy

[elder crane]

she's not that tanky and can't kill stuff to reduce incoming damage, isuzu

not really any point in running her rather than a repair ship imo, for ch12

[modern tree]

its just about having enough damage to not ram productions to death, and Isuzu wont have enough of that for w12

[sharp wing]

not like Sandy kills anything

[modern tree]

Sandy kai has 2mgm DD gun

[elder crane]

Sandy retro

[sharp wing]

they have about same offense pre Kai

[elder crane]

top CL DpSer

[sharp wing]

Do we have Sandy Kia?

[elder crane]

nah, that's the point

[sharp wing]

i mean, Isuzu do same AA job as sandy Kai

[elder crane]

and pretty good stats/eff too

and a new barrage that's not insignificant too

[sharp wing]

So if you cannot do that with non kai Sandie in AA, you can do it w/ Isuzu

[elder crane]

hmm, I doubt isuzu AA is better than repair ships, but I'll have to check

as in AA damage

[modern tree]

Vestal can have like 400 AA with 4 AA guns

[elder crane]

more, 500

or was it 550

[sharp wing]

We came from VG to Vestal

[modern tree]

I mean, depending on quality of the radars you have it can get even higher

[elder crane]

3 aux slots bitches

500 with just 1 PR radar and two +10 purples

with 4 100% eff AA guns

Isuzu can reach, 600 with 1 PR radar
with 2 160% eff guns

hmm, AA mode Isuzu with 1 PR radar should top the repair ships then

[sharp wing]

and anti air mode occasionally

[elder crane]

but then you're running a squishy VG with only 1 defensive aux which is

[sharp wing]

without skills, she tops Sandy Kai

Sandy kai wins a bit w/ her retro skill +AA

[stark raft]

Isuzu actually has value?

[sharp wing]

But her dps is on par w/ Junie

[stark raft]

new comm slave incoming

[sharp wing]

surface

[modern tree]

also, skimping on w12 will be more expensive on average either way because with cheap fleet you will probably never break like 68% ambush evasion

[sharp wing]

CV 2:1 helps there, increasing move distance till danger

[elder crane]

you have enough ammo to tank a few anyways, with the ammo depot on the map
and you'd have to be ambushed a lot more to make up oil-cost-wise for running 1 fewer ship when you're not running more than 4 in the first place

[sharp wing]

TBH ambush avoidance tacticts only worth, if you can cheap it out w/ like mahan. If it takes main fleet ship, not worth it imo

running CV flag in this regard in ch12 pretty good

[modern tree]

so Monarch Vestal Minnie can clear 12-2 at no danger after eating 2 ambushes

[elder crane]

12-4 ironically much easier since ammo depot

[sharp wing]

I actually want to get back to lvling my Yorktown

[elder crane]

I lucked out and pretty much instantly got Junyou/Hiyou

[sharp wing]

so many ships stuck somewhere 100-110

inbetween

[elder crane]

for me a lot between 110-120 too

[sharp wing]

well, i awakened few only

pvp botes

[elder crane]

like 10 ships are 112-119 for me

[sharp wing]

haven'rt even awakened minne, port

etc

[modern tree]

I mean, if you downgrade minnie and add a boat that is like 13 fuel, preferably a cv and evasive front, then you can reduce ambushes to nearly none and you spend the same oil

[sharp wing]

I dun use atm anyway

[modern tree]

dunno whats the point of doing it 2:1

[elder crane]

Well 12-4 can do X+Vestal+Portland

X being any main fleet dmg carry

[sharp wing]

I mean as X being CV

[elder crane]

well, BB/BC only since you need the secondary weapon I think

hmm, idk if port can reliably kill enough productions for ramming to be a non-issue

maybe nearing lv120 she can

[sharp wing]

port...

[elder crane]

but yeah X for me is Nagato right now which is

[sharp wing]

Port has atrocious weap eff

[elder crane]

12-4 you don't have to do any 0 ammo fights

which makes it so much easier

[sharp wing]

get ammo early on

[elder crane]

lol just get to ammo node at 2/5 or 3/6

you get more +10% dmg full ammo bonus too

at ~350+ oil per run ch12 is draining my oil nicely

[sharp wing]

Buy curry

[elder crane]

I suppose you're already running the 10H comms?

if so then curry it is

hmm, does uni offer much in ch12?
I suppose if you pair her with another high-AA main you get a ton of flexibility on vanguard

[modern tree]

uni vestal X can run any vg you like

my uni and vestal arent even leveled

[sharp wing]

Any1 tried NC 1:1

[elder crane]

idk how much NC really offers

[modern tree]

NC will never ever be able to 1:1 anything

[sharp wing]

She offers all BB can offer in AA field

[elder crane]

her dmg output is meh
her survivability even with her skill isn't stellat

[modern tree]

shes just vanilla shelling bb

[sharp wing]

her damage is op due to skill

[modern tree]

I mean, if you are into playing manually, then sure, maybe she can do it

[elder crane]

her aa gun eff is shite anyways so she won't be shooting down planes much, just taking a bit less damage from them

might as well run Wash then

also takes low plane damage but can actually do damage

Hyuuga retro afaik only has high AA for an IJN

[sharp wing]

I mean, with skill she has close to 550 FP basically

[elder crane]

yeah but even has 95 over the already-poor 100 efficiency

you'll take less dmg, but you won't be stopping those planes

and really not that much less damage overall

[sharp wing]

They just like to make top waifus mediocre

[odd schooner]

Add a mahan. Extra AA

[sharp wing]

that 34 point diff....

[vague token]

oof

[sharp wing]

Ehh, rushed tix, off too bed lol, gonna sleep through resets

[waxen crater]

I kinda want to see his fleet comp lmao

[modern tree]

I mean, I am going to bed as well, 23 now

and if you want to see my comp then just ask, its not a secret, you can also find me on leaderboard every reset

[vague token]

top secret dax only strats jk

[modern tree]

My equipment is generally much weirder than my ships. I ran Reloader on Hood to kill foxes before 381 was a thing, etc

[waxen crater]

Hmmm

Well I pmed you lmao

[modern tree]

Endgame for it is probably Neptune up front. I have not decided yet if I want to ditch ykkz for another HMS ship later. It's pretty hard to do because of damage disadvantage vs Amagi. I probably wouldn't recommend running this atm. Monarch feels really reliant on getting and hitting her barrage sub dev30. Sure I win enough to continue playing the game, but the usual loses this team takes are really depressing. Like Hiryuu with 1 hp living to launch 2 more airstrikes post her invuln cuz no barrage procs and mgm shots just hitting nothing in particular

I ran this with Hood top and Warspite mid. Had about the same results, but if people don't run Amagi top then it's suddenly much worse

[elder crane]

Hmm, Amagi top is the better mirror strat if you don't switch positioning

so you'll likely see that more and more

Amagi opposite Hiryuu imo still better, even if Amagi has to be bottom for it

[modern tree]

And second gold fcr would help this team a lot cuz I basically have to choose which barrage I want to deal damage, and it's not a choice, it's Monarch

[odd schooner]

2nd fcr means enemy will also have 2nd fcr

[elder crane]

Some teams use 2 FCR better than others, though

[modern tree]

Cuz if nothing else, Hood buffs me still and if Monarch is not dealing damage then why is she there