pvp

[modern tree]

but 35% eva rate is like 80% EHP

[trim horizon]

my sanrui is dev26 oathed but only lvl105

[finite valve]

ibuki kagero ayaya

[stark raft]

A dev 30 monarch already? might be possible

[finite valve]

best torp that work with ibuki

[modern tree]

if you ran Ibuki then you run Aurora and your last ship is prolly w/e

[finite valve]

you can use tanikaze but i rather have a passive buff

either full torp autism or non at all

get out of here with your weak ass aurora

[sour oasis]

Anything to counter a lv.115 oathed Jintsu that isn't a higher level Jintsu?

[finite valve]

any BB or nuke comp?

i don't think jintsuu has been a problem

[zenith tundra]

not happening i guess

[finite valve]

solo hiryuu save the day

[true crane]

rip

[finite valve]

lel

[zenith tundra]

that amagi is tanky for sure

[finite valve]

aux that ignore eva when?

[zenith tundra]

so much easier

[stark raft]

nuke comp is amagi/monarch/hood or nagato but I like my 17% 70%

[zenith tundra]

nuke comp without ws kai is no nuke comp

[stark raft]

EN btw

[true crane]

to be fair your ship there are higher level

[zenith tundra]

i can try this

[stark raft]

Go all in with torpmeme and have the fastest resets ever

[zenith tundra]

with juneau on defense might be a bit different

i just removed ibuki from vg....

2nd time in a row lost vg without ibuki

that comps is so rng not even worth considering lol

u can just lose to not getting any barrage

[stark raft]

no wskai yet so I fuck around with it

no barrage = reset

[zenith tundra]

5vs6 even with ws kai is not so free

[stone grove]

When you get a bait fleet as your highest opponent

Out of exercises for now so we'll see if that stays my highest opponent in a hour and a half

[vague token]

oh, i got hooloo

[shy hazel]

kill hooloo then post pic here

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

xD

dat 120 kgv though

https://gyazo.com/8720686736f691de45c9f964c346d7af

xD

[ionic magnet]

you really posted pic kek

[vague token]

hey the guy asked

that quad has trouble hitting vanguard

=(

[ionic magnet]

try to fight 5 times

its better than 406 for sure

[vague token]

im 3/3 but i think it's cause my levels arent stacked in the same places

here's 4th match

https://gyazo.com/2a68cfbd26f3b21a1dadfeaca80dc28a

sara about to murder everyone

with her air force of fakkyus xD

[ionic magnet]

that amagi tho lol

[vague token]

xD

i still have ykk and saint louis in there

with lots of hp

because beaver/washer XD

[torpid shuttle]

pvp please

[vague token]

yeah 5 out of 5

my ykk being 118 makes a big difference

vs your 112 xD

[torpid shuttle]

currently: ykk juneau sheffy hood enty doy

[ionic magnet]

yea need to level my VGs

[vague token]

cause 119 sara just destroys everything cause of the level gap hit rate boost

on 5th round i did lose vanguard

but unfortunately your ykk died right before sara launch

which means big oof

then it was just gun cleanup

dork+hood isnt able to murder sara because of the defense penalties i guess?

[torpid shuttle]

oh, ok, ill just come back later

[sharp wing]

That dock is sad for pvp

Main fleet wise

[torpid shuttle]

i was hoping for a magic backline comp. aw well

[sharp wing]

Yr frontline is pretty fine

[ionic magnet]

cant really say cos my ships are not maxed but yea its not that good on def i guess cos fk namagi

[vague token]

it's also tough for the bbs to hit sanrui and co

gotta go fast

and i barely noticed kgv barrage

xD

i think if dork shot her first shot to backline it'd be fine

but =(

[ionic magnet]

@torpid shuttle check "tierlist" in pins for comp ideas if you want

[torpid shuttle]

sure

[vague token]

oh it's a lot more narrow than i thought

[sharp wing]

The problem is they dun have ships

[vague token]

you can actually dodge it

[sharp wing]

[torpid shuttle]

i am just in washington, but yeah

[ionic magnet]

whats narrow ?

[finite valve]

@torpid shuttle i say best bet for you atm is just enty + helena and YKK reset tbh

[vague token]

kgv barrage

i thought it was full screen height

but i actually randomly just dodged it

xD

[ionic magnet]

the arrows thingy?

[vague token]

yeah

[ionic magnet]

ah that doesnt do anything anyway xD

[vague token]

oof

how sad kgv and biscuit got barrages for looks

lol

[ionic magnet]

its like 100ish dmg

cant even kill firebotes

[vague token]

https://gyazo.com/0b43fa79ce36fe07aa1b6d523b20eb61

damage all close together lol

for main

xD

[sharp wing]

That sanrui damage is sad

[vague token]

she doesnt do much against smoke

and triple bb lol

or rather two bb and hood

also only dev 26

missing efficiency

[sharp wing]

better off just using cl for now

[vague token]

na she's a good tank

190 evade for 40 seconds

with her hp

xD

[sharp wing]

Bel can tank pretty well and dish out 10k

[ionic magnet]

i wish i just used my BPs on sanrui

[vague token]

well it helps deal with aurora trolls

;)

[sharp wing]

Aurora trolls are non existent

And they never was problem to me tbh

[vague token]

and she buffers big seven a little better

xD

(and she's faster than bel)

i see so many T_T

torp squad, aurora

until you jump past 100

they're still there

lol

actually there's 3 auroras in top 30 right now on avrora xD

reeee

[sharp wing]

Avrora fetishers

[vague token]

dear god this home button is amazing

i got air radar, dunno what im gonna do with it

toss it on dork i guess

juneau 115

moving up in the world

[sharp wing]

Better move up my list

[vague token]

xD

[shy hazel]

told u

hms is,shit defense

doubt 120 would help until ws kai

[ionic magnet]

its more like only namagi comps are legit on def

but even those can be beaten by this same hms team on offense

[vague token]

wasnt there a refresh button for core data

or did the ui update remove it lol

[sharp wing]

It refreshes each month

wtf

[vague token]

yeah but before ui update

we had an extra refresh button

1/month

i wanted to buy a second set of cog chips

xD

also woo amagi 120

one down

5 to go

[sharp wing]

If we had that before UI update, ppl would use it

But we were limited to 1 dildo/381 per month

And who in the sane mind would buy chips for core

[odd schooner]

Just above you @sharp wing

[sharp wing]

[odd schooner]

[sharp wing]

lol, idk what ppl are taught at school nowadays. Guy wants to abuse Tanikaze torp debuff. Be like, i have 17% chance x5 torps = 85%

[charred sable]

Tfw everyone on Avrora is running lvl 120 meta fleets and my ships are only lvl 111/112

[sharp wing]

Not like you cannot beat them

Just cannot afk during battles

[vague token]

95k for sara 120

[shell heron]

I'm not running full 120s. My Juneau is still 112

[buoyant parrot]

@sharp wing did buy chips at core, emergency

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

i guess i should swap someone else in for amagi to level

hmm

i could do hiryuu too i guess

for future

[finite valve]

finish 4 out of 6 ships for pvp 120

[vague token]

or warspite for future

[finite valve]

good enough

[sharp wing]

Soryuu

[finite valve]

might do ws or sanrui or roon

too many choices

[vague token]

kinda wish i had monarch available to level

i guess ill go with ws to help that

[sharp wing]

I'm doing Izumo, while doing Nyaga/Ama anyway

[vague token]

xD

[finite valve]

at least i can now finish all of my non 200 ship

zzz

[sharp wing]

Oh, i found 120 vg w/ aurora..

that hurts w/ foxes

Only dragon survived

[shy hazel]

calling hiryuu dragon

sounds like crap

[abstract cypress]

meta are crap

[sharp wing]

well, dragon is dragon

Hiryū (飛龍, "Flying Dragon")

Tbh bunnies look like shit

Retro skins are cool tho

[vague token]

when can we get a party dress for hiryuu xD

i dont like the bully skin =(

[sharp wing]

I just want her cool retro skin

[waxen crater]

Yuudachi seems very good... but she got cucked by retroes

And I run hms so no pvp for her

[sharp wing]

Well, she is very frail for pvp

Using Ayanamy at least gives you some torp edge

So she is equally squish

[waxen crater]

I wonder if they will ever retro her

[sharp wing]

Not like it will make her pvp viable, esp at 120

[zenith tundra]

don't think poi is bad enough for a retro anytime soon

[finite valve]

poi is like the last thing they going to kai

if anything atago / takao is higher on the list

[sharp wing]

poi been top tier dd for longest i think

[finite valve]

or they could just pull a 180 and kai maya

all tacao sisters are all equally bad

[sharp wing]

Tacos are waifu mat

[zenith tundra]

pls torp ca retro is like why even bother

pr clones no need for them

[finite valve]

you don't say

[sharp wing]

Well, Mogami Kai like mother of PRs

[finite valve]

kai SR has been for the lowest affective SR in each nation

hence why they are on the list

unless they want to break tradition

dk

[sharp wing]

Since when they have traditions in game balance

[zenith tundra]

takao and atago are still decent ca just because of stats

[finite valve]

weakest in each nation

[sharp wing]

Ppl just expect too much from CAs nowadays

at least 5k hp and 80+ eva or 🚮

And have mgm+1 and torp

Metaslaves nation

[finite valve]

sometimes i ask who is the weakest ship for US and i forgot sandy is US

tfw you so useless pre kai you don't remember her nationality

[sharp wing]

Well, Sandy and Isuzu are niche aa boats

But they are good at it

Look at those useless new AA boats

they are bad even at their niche

[zenith tundra]

akashi is by far the worst sr for ijn. i'd rather have her retro then any of takao class ca

[finite valve]

well w13 relevant

so there's that

what you think they going to give an AR ship?

[sharp wing]

lol

give Akashi vestal zombie skill to make her good

[finite valve]

buff like those AR ship from w13?

[silver root]

[zenith tundra]

doesn't matter but according to the logic worst sr it's akashi

[finite valve]

from starter tho

both ws and sandy was from starter

akashi comes later

[zenith tundra]

akashi was always in the shop tho

[sharp wing]

aside from tacos, there no more bad starters

SRs

[finite valve]

yeh for JP at least

[zenith tundra]

if they retro takao i'll just scrap all ijn units

[finite valve]

for german is pudding

[sharp wing]

Well, german...

[zenith tundra]

they don't deserve to exist

[sharp wing]

I'm already disappointed in Ks retroes

[finite valve]

[sharp wing]

Retro Prinz

Make her better portland

[zenith tundra]

who cares about kms tho

[sharp wing]

well, some fetishists

[finite valve]

or just make her a better tank

[silver root]

retro deutscheland and spee

make them actual pocket battleships

like azuma

[finite valve]

like make her shield reflect or do DOT dmg when it is active

[sharp wing]

They just should make them CBs

[waxen crater]

Retro QE

[sharp wing]

Both deutchlands are event ships, so i won't expect retro soon

or anytime

[finite valve]

only mogami got the kai treatment first day

[sharp wing]

If event ships have retro, they give it with event usually

[finite valve]

does iris got kai first day?

[sharp wing]

Idk if we get Glorious DDs retroes

with event

No announcement yet...

[finite valve]

kai for who on glorious?

[sharp wing]

DDs

[finite valve]

for who?

name of the ship

[silver root]

ardent

[sharp wing]

Ardent and Acasta

both retroes

[finite valve]

oh them

[sharp wing]

A class

[finite valve]

trophy ship

useless

[waxen crater]

And trash lol

[sharp wing]

yeah

As all HMS DDs

[finite valve]

i better off using my gold on 120

[waxen crater]

The devs IJN bias is starting to get to me

[sharp wing]

U don't say

[finite valve]

JP just got bigger buff that's all they got

[sharp wing]

Jp got broken botes

[finite valve]

for fire power just look at the other nation

[waxen crater]

I mean think about it, KGV could have been game changing but instead they didn’t do shiiit. Now she’s just a contender with QE if you don’t run full HMS vanguard

[sharp wing]

[finite valve]

never said the buff is not broken

i just said that they got big buff going for them

[zenith tundra]

people complaining about hms should just play with ws kai and then open their mouth

[abstract cypress]

no ws kai here

[sharp wing]

Yeah, maybe mention FdG too

[abstract cypress]

not yeet

[zenith tundra]

no my fault en is behind

[finite valve]

force using waifu in pvp

nty

[sharp wing]

[waxen crater]

I love HMS still I don’t complain

[sharp wing]

Hey, i don't complain about Wasd...

[finite valve]

99% of the time you are playing pve

[waxen crater]

I just complain that only WS kai makes them meta again instead of just keeping all factions balanced and having an equal amount of suss

[finite valve]

i dk why you should force yourself on using waifu in pvp for 1% of the time

when you see them like 99% of the time in pve

[waxen crater]

Yes but this is a pvp chat so we discuss pvp here

[finite valve]

lel

[zenith tundra]

u just said something abut kgv which is complaining about her not being broken when hms has the most broken pvp ship so far

[finite valve]

[waxen crater]

I said she’s very good but with a little tweak she could’ve been like a nagato or amagi

[sharp wing]

Well, if they give her fleet buff, not selfbuff

A retro QE

[zenith tundra]

hms needs some bb to not suck dick so they can support ws kai

[waxen crater]

Debatable. Monarch is very competent

[zenith tundra]

anything beyond that is asking for hms to become new ijn

[sharp wing]

Well, WS Kai already in most IJN comps there

[zenith tundra]

that's dumb ijn bias from people

[waxen crater]

That’s not true. IJN is just better

[sharp wing]

Or just shows, how bad is HMS

that cannot even support WSKai

[waxen crater]

^

[zenith tundra]

wasn't monarch good?

[finite valve]

JP is better due to skill synergy

if 1 v 1 i bet JP lose in all fight

[waxen crater]

Monarch is good however you can do better things

Especially since QE is like weird and is a shitty BB with only one good skill and that’s it

[sharp wing]

Yeah, slot FdG or Namaga

[zenith tundra]

qe shouldn't be used

[silver root]

it's less of ijn bias and more of just how broken amagi is

[waxen crater]

Then who else should be used if you’re trying to say you don’t need to use IJN

[zenith tundra]

people just kill themselves caring around a dead weight

[waxen crater]

Nagato is just as good as Amagi

[finite valve]

DOY hood exist

[abstract cypress]

ijn bias

[sharp wing]

And hood instantly replaced w/ Amagi anywhere

without QE

[waxen crater]

That’s why I was complaining about KGV because they were so close to making something actually good that isn’t IJN. Not because I can’t use my waifu in pvp

[finite valve]

i think you meant biscuit?

[abstract cypress]

im going to make kms btw

[finite valve]

as far as i am concern biscuit was the main focus of the event

not kgv

she is just a bonus

[sharp wing]

KGV was main waifu 😄

[zenith tundra]

not for hms people it seems

[abstract cypress]

but its hms ssr

bruh

[waxen crater]

Just because she isn’t main focus doesn’t mean they can’t make a good ship?

[finite valve]

i just come to term with both of them being bad

[sharp wing]

At least Bisquirt works w/ shell

second ship aside WS Kai totally viable w/ shell prolly

[waxen crater]

Why make a ship that is SSR when it is just meh, and MAYBE can replace QE with success but not enough to be a viable alternative to any IJN meta

[zenith tundra]

bismark is passable as a fdg buffer at best

[sharp wing]

Look at Wales and then say something

[zenith tundra]

pow is a dumb sr. kgv is miles better

[sharp wing]

That's about SRs

[wicked rivet]

I fought a KGV in pvp today

[waxen crater]

Yeah what the fuck is Wales anyways

[wicked rivet]

Her barrage proc'd

And I just laughed

Its so bad

[abstract cypress]

pow

[wicked rivet]

Does literally nothing

[waxen crater]

I don’t think they even use their brains with ships besides IJN

[wicked rivet]

PoW is useless in pvp

And pve

Good waifu tho

[sharp wing]

Distasteful milf

[waxen crater]

PoW is useless in general

[wicked rivet]

Dork is who I use and she is at least consistent

[abstract cypress]

we need uss buffer

[waxen crater]

If you make a USS buffer right now idk if that will change anything

[abstract cypress]

on vg

[zenith tundra]

nothing to buff outside of georgia

[sharp wing]

USS got few buffers already...

[waxen crater]

Most USS are pve ships with zombie skills

[wicked rivet]

What USS is even used in pvp

Oh wait juneau

[waxen crater]

Enty and Juneau lol

[wicked rivet]

She doesnt do anything except die

[waxen crater]

And Enty isn’t even used that much anymore

[wicked rivet]

Enty in 2k19

Altho

[abstract cypress]

i use enty and jesus

[wicked rivet]

I fought a fleet with her and her E was linda annoying

[sharp wing]

You forgetting the long reign of Wasd

[wicked rivet]

It mightve been yours if youre on avrora

[waxen crater]

Okay I have a question

[wicked rivet]

Wasd is a joke

[waxen crater]

Who here uses IJN for pvp

[sharp wing]

Now maybe

[wicked rivet]

[finite valve]

full JP or what?

[sharp wing]

But Wasd was top comp for few months on EN

[wicked rivet]

Namagi/yuki/ibuki

And then uh

[finite valve]

just having a JP in pvp or what?

[wicked rivet]

Dork and belfast

[waxen crater]

No just like primarily IJN

[zenith tundra]

my pvp because why not

[waxen crater]

I regret missing the events 😂

[finite valve]

me i have 4 JP 1 hms and 1 US

[abstract cypress]

120

[waxen crater]

I mean I like HMS

[abstract cypress]

git a laif

[finite valve]

JP bro

[abstract cypress]

oh

lol

[waxen crater]

But JP is where it’s at

[wicked rivet]

My fleet

4/6 are at 200 affinity

[abstract cypress]

look son 2 broken ship in 1 fleet

[wicked rivet]

And ibuki is almost there

[sharp wing]

and?

What was the point again?

[wicked rivet]

JP fleet
Nice

[abstract cypress]

u need 1 more ijn to fast salvo on amagi

[waxen crater]

The point is IJN is a lot better than the rest of the factions

[sharp wing]

there enough

[zenith tundra]

u only need 4 ijn for amagi including herself

[silver root]

y DoY in an IJN fleet

[vague token]

no one does 6 ijn

[wicked rivet]

Because she is good

[vague token]

lol

[sharp wing]

Cause anything works on offense...

[wicked rivet]

Who else would I use

[sharp wing]

[wicked rivet]

Hiryuu? I can kill hiryuu fleets first try usually

[red nexus]

Doy isn't even that good

[silver root]

Mutsu

[zenith tundra]

doy isn't good because it cannot carry hms

[wicked rivet]

Sure she isnt

[zenith tundra]

not because she is bad

[red nexus]

Use hyuuga retro

[wicked rivet]

HMS fleets are a joke

Hyuuga

I beat all hyuuga fleets I see

With full health

[sharp wing]

man, you can ebat ANY def fleet...

[red nexus]

Wait until there arw max lv monarchs and WS kai out there

[waxen crater]

The only problem with that is if you missed a lot of events or are new

You can’t even compete in pvp

[red nexus]

1. Obvious lie

[waxen crater]

Or at least it’s a lot more difficult

[wicked rivet]

Monatch may replace dork when she's ready

[zenith tundra]

if u values comps based on whatever u beat them or not u might want to reconsider

[red nexus]

2. Playing attacker is easy

[wicked rivet]

But for now dork stays

[waxen crater]

Because everything you need is basically IJN which is locked on events

[wicked rivet]

And I win unless rng cucks me

[sharp wing]

lol

[waxen crater]

And you don’t need competence to make your own fleet cuz the meta is that blatant

[wicked rivet]

I make fleets based on who I have ready to use and who does damage

Hyuuga isnt even oathed

[red nexus]

A game where a player can't comtroll their units in pvp will always habe a very boring meta

[silver root]

isn't DoY too slow since her barrage is timed

[wicked rivet]

I oathed ise cause she is a much better waifu and idc about hyuuga

DoY barrage is meh

[vague token]

doy barrage is pve utility

[sharp wing]

Her barrage isn't anything you account for

[vague token]

it's pretty bad for actually killing pvp enemies

carriers with an evade aux will soak it easy

[wicked rivet]

Dork does fairly consistent dmg and sometimes even takes mvp

Usually vs akaga

[vague token]

dork's main thing is sometimes you just nuke someone off the face of the ocean

when you land her first gun shot

xD

[wicked rivet]

^

Instant death

[vague token]

or, more likely, it sails into the water because targeting

xD

[wicked rivet]

Occasionally

[silver root]

i see

[wicked rivet]

Not usually

[sharp wing]

Well, you know, relying on shellin g in pvp, lol

[zenith tundra]

it doesn't matter since her shelling dmg is still superior to almost any non powercreep bb

[red nexus]

The one good thing about doy is her slow

[wicked rivet]

^ zack

[vague token]

doy doesnt slow anyone in pvp

[wicked rivet]

^

[sharp wing]

Slow irrelevant in pvp

[red nexus]

Makes it easy to hit magtorp barrages

[vague token]

she uses warspite targeting

[wicked rivet]

Dork barrage targets backline

[red nexus]

Wack

[wicked rivet]

Slow is worthless on backline

[vague token]

literally useless

[sharp wing]

Dork works same as ws kai

[wicked rivet]

It does like

[vague token]

or ugly sisters etc

[wicked rivet]

Usually 500 or 1k dmg

Cause the spread sucks

[vague token]

unmodified quad basically

xD

[wicked rivet]

But its timed and sometimes kills a bote if theyre almost dead

Usually hiryuu after final counter ends

[vague token]

personally id rather just run kgv since she can try to sweep early with her gun skill

and self buffs

[wicked rivet]

I mean

[vague token]

but it's moot point

[wicked rivet]

If u wanna grt your kgv to 120 and 200 affi

Go for it

[zenith tundra]

how would u even get kgv buff in ijn team?

[vague token]

hooloovoo has 120

[wicked rivet]

He does

[vague token]

dunno if 200 affection though

[sharp wing]

If you need oath and 200 aff, you already doing it wrong

[vague token]

xD

[wicked rivet]

He also runs ijn

[sharp wing]

lmao

[wicked rivet]

I dont need that

But I have it on dork

[vague token]

na hooloovoo has hms defense atm unless he swapped at after i fought it

[wicked rivet]

Ive been using dork since she was ready for pvp

[waxen crater]

Btw what’s the consensus on KGV for pvp

[vague token]

bulky sheller

cause she self buffs evasion

[wicked rivet]

Afaik pretty decent

Yeah

[vague token]

her barrage is bad

same as biscuit's

xD

[wicked rivet]

It sucks

[vague token]

both of them are stat sticks

BIG stat sticks

[wicked rivet]

She shoots a single V

That does like 10 damage

Or gets avoided

[waxen crater]

Yah it isn’t the best

But sometimes she shells using her normal rounds

[zenith tundra]

is bismark even a stat stick. all she has is crit and it's useless without white shells

[waxen crater]

Idk how or what that is

[ionic magnet]

if you have hms buff active on kgv, shes by far the best hms bote rn

[wicked rivet]

I hope we get shells next shop reset

That would be nice

[vague token]

i mean, if you use dork for shelling damage

she is equivalent

except it works all the time

instead of first shot of the match

[wicked rivet]

Could finally replace the fc radars

[vague token]

since crit is 50% damage no shell

[wicked rivet]

I mean

[vague token]

it's literally the same as dork

[wicked rivet]

Im sure I could replace dork with kgv

[vague token]

but it works all the time

[ionic magnet]

i like how yall trash on her quads and barrage but you never tried her so w/e

[wicked rivet]

But fuck getting kgv pvp ready

[waxen crater]

She’s pretty good tbh

HMS lovers unite

[zenith tundra]

i tried her a bit when i was still playing en and she mvp over hood easily

[coral wren]

maybe it's worth a try, slapping kgv instead of hood/monarch. Kinda sick of 70% rng

[wicked rivet]

She has my +10 quad

I bought her skin

I'll get to her eventually

[vague token]

if i had a gold quad

id try xD

[wicked rivet]

Its p nice

But mine is only like 75

[ionic magnet]

kgv is whats keeping me sane while using hms tbh

[waxen crater]

Heh yeahhhh

[coral wren]

you using dork with her?

[wicked rivet]

It sure isnt dork with her nonstop barrage voice line

[waxen crater]

HooLoo you still using QE?

[vague token]

i would just like to see her gun skill ported to PoW

[wicked rivet]

[coral wren]

what about vang?

[waxen crater]

Or is it a Monarch/Hood/KGV grind

[wicked rivet]

Id love to see literally anything good on pow

[vague token]

i mean their stat buffs are equal

if you run 4 eagles

vs 3 hms

you get the same buff

[sharp wing]

I mean, why u need dupe ship

[vague token]

for the same faction slots

because one is eagle scaling and one is royal scaling

diversity

is good

[wicked rivet]

True

[waxen crater]

Eagle isn’t used in pvp tho

[ionic magnet]

@waxen crater kgv hood doy rn cos monarch is not yet ready (dev25 is really underwhelming)

[wicked rivet]

But kgv has a lot more going for ger

And the only uss in pvp is jesus

[coral wren]

no qe?

[waxen crater]

Yeahhh I was gonna level nep before Monarch

QE is trash

[vague token]

uh oh

[waxen crater]

No one who uses HMS uses her

For the most part

[vague token]

daxam gonna come in and slap us

[sharp wing]

Don't say such things in this chat

[wicked rivet]

QE has been outdated for months

Unless she gets retro

[waxen crater]

^

[wicked rivet]

Which she wont

[ionic magnet]

yea been comparing dmg charts and well her buff just isnt enough to validate her slot rn

[waxen crater]

She desperately needs a rework

[wicked rivet]

Not anytime soon

[waxen crater]

Which is bullshit

[zenith tundra]

even if she buffs other ships she herself is a dead weight. the less hms u run the less she is worth

[waxen crater]

They’re too busy on the next IJN power play smh

[wicked rivet]

15% dmg boost but you lost a slot where u could do more dmg than you gain

[sharp wing]

Running HMS ships w/ Namaga instead of QE

[vague token]

honestly QE is the most balanced faction buff

[sharp wing]

Already says it all

[wicked rivet]

Now imma sleep

[waxen crater]

Especially since HMS vanguard isn’t a good idea... just run HMS back and then front of a lot of PR and a Juneau lmao

[wicked rivet]

Love u nerds

[vague token]

a supporter should be weak themselves and be a multiplier for their team

[waxen crater]

Yeah but since the other supporters aren’t like that

[wicked rivet]

True but supports should be somewhat useful too

[waxen crater]

It makes her balance irrelevant

[vague token]

i mean qe is older than the newer ones

it made sense on launch

[sharp wing]

QE is vanilla ship

[waxen crater]

Hence why she should get a retro

[sharp wing]

What you want

[ionic magnet]

dont tell daxam we had this convo

[vague token]

then nagato showed up and power creeped everyone to death

[waxen crater]

^

QE retro when

Plz god...

[sharp wing]

Not before we get WS Kai

[waxen crater]

That’s a crime against humanity

They should work on it now

now

[coral wren]

Well, daxxam is the guy who shitted on kgv the most but in the end it turned out he was wrong as fuck

[sharp wing]

I think QE/WS artist also on some hiatus

[waxen crater]

Yah kgv is amazing tbh

Very underrated

[vague token]

you know who is also underrated

/shot

[waxen crater]

But to be fair, HMS can be run either way

It’s just KGV way is better

[coral wren]

Well, i think qe will be a must have once you level nep and monarch

then kgv is prob rip

[waxen crater]

Nah

That can be highly debated

Since KGV is still very prominent and QE does give buffs but then you lack damage on that Backline spot

Plus nep and Monarch can fend for themselves they don’t need the buffs, although they are nice

KGV in the other hand can inhale and get buffer herself, and you won’t have to go full HMS to make QE actually useful and run things such as Juneau trolling and Saint Louis, or even yuki

[coral wren]

is her quad doing a good job with that sshitty dispersion?

[waxen crater]

Yes

The gun does get buffed with her you know...

I only use a purple and even that seems to hit most shots, even in pve against bosses

[coral wren]

well, i'm sold. Back to leveling kgv i guess

[waxen crater]

That’s just me though, opinions can very ahaha

[coral wren]

nah, i'm prolly using qe because of daxxam shilling for her. But tbh, i find more success when she isn't around

[vague token]

the quad should be around 1 point higher than the 406

with her dispersion buff

[waxen crater]

You’re an HMS user also? Ooo

[vague token]

yeah it goes from 25 to 23

406 is 22

[coral wren]

No, it's hms using me. But be precisive it's fucking me up the ass every single time because of double gambling with 70%

[ionic magnet]

yea her quad is better at hitting VGs actually cos bigger dispersion but whats really making kgv good is her early shoots

[waxen crater]

I love her tbh

[sharp wing]

I mean, if you don't run QE, you don't need to run 3 HMS main too, lol
Slot amagi at least there

[waxen crater]

She gives me hope that hms can be useful again

Oh god amagi... I wish I had her 😫

[coral wren]

Hm, you do need aurora tho, to land her salvo, right?

[sharp wing]

It's HMS, only if it's QE

[vague token]

i mean, you get 4 shots

one of them will hit right?

xD

[waxen crater]

Eh, it’s HMS if it’s mostly HMS. Cuz you still need the HMS if you run KGV cuz of the self buff

[vague token]

also saint louis wont care about aurora so

[coral wren]

Don't know if hitting 1 out of 4 is enough to validate for her

[ionic magnet]

well aurora is really nice especially vs ykkz but its a tradeoff cos shes squishy

[sharp wing]

You don't run HMS to buff KGV, lol

That's last fcking thing u would do

[waxen crater]

I personally want to run either bel/Saint/Nep or Juneau/saint/Nep

With the HMS back

[vague token]

just accept the fortune within

jk

dont do that

[waxen crater]

Hahaha

[ionic magnet]

1 shot is all you need if that procs burn

[waxen crater]

We shouldn’t tell people KGV is good...

[vague token]

i mean

kgv IS good

but there are certain ships

that are just amaaaaazing

[waxen crater]

They’ll just use her with amagi and other IJN back

[sharp wing]

i mean, you cannot tell anything new, lol

[ionic magnet]

yeah fk ijns and nagato cuccing me

[vague token]

saratoga is good

but is she amaaaaaaaazing?

nope

[waxen crater]

Eh

[vague token]

i should try solo biscuit sometime

just for fun

[sharp wing]

1 v1 Bisquirt

[vague token]

i mean i used to use dork before nagato

it'd be similar

[waxen crater]

Okay back to xp grinding monarch

Wish me luuuuuuuck

[sharp wing]

I need to gather 30k again for izumo...

My exp will be done much sooner...

[coral wren]

What is the point of using her with ijn back, lol. You loses that 20% buff

[zenith tundra]

still easier then grinding fdg

[vague token]

oh god pr2 grind X_x

[sharp wing]

At least PR2 not Class locked

[waxen crater]

Well you could use amagi/monarch and a bel or nep in the front

[zenith tundra]

3.6m xp for dr what a stupid thing

[coral wren]

I do hope we don't get lvl 130 cap any time soon

[vague token]

i doubt 130 will be anytime soon even for cn

[sharp wing]

Even CN not have plans for it yet

So we are at least 1 year safe

[coral wren]

Good, grinding for exp isn't fun at all

[vague token]

if anything id like to see a new 7-2

xD

[zenith tundra]

if u don't like grinding u might want to change game

[sharp wing]

Hey, it's good sidegame

No1 makes u grind

[ionic magnet]

grinding is cool but i need more oils

[coral wren]

Grind might be good when it's rewarding

[vague token]

maybe they should start adding pr bps to new chapters xD

14-4 with pr bps

rip oil

[sharp wing]

ch14 w/ 12 ship fleets

[abstract cypress]

i dont like grind and i still play the game

[coral wren]

We lost quite a few bps on en, right? Like, nagato should have had 30 bps on it's event store?

[abstract cypress]

collecting shipfus, put em in dorms

profit

[sharp wing]

As i said, it's just a sidegame

[waxen crater]

Fuck it I’m doing nep grind before monarch

[abstract cypress]

still on 1st phase on 1st pr

[coral wren]

Well, i have 120 monarch and i should kinda agree dev 30 is more important

[abstract cypress]

lvl 120

oh bp

[waxen crater]

What should I use to grind nep

[abstract cypress]

bel

[vague token]

sheffield

she has a gun

[waxen crater]

I have edin bel and Leander pretty leveled so far

[vague token]

[abstract cypress]

y leander

[vague token]

leander is pretty solid for her budget

[zenith tundra]

leander belfast sheffield sirius

[sharp wing]

Leadner Kai is MVP

[vague token]

stats to oil ratio is amazing

[sharp wing]

• buffer

[vague token]

yeah

[sharp wing]

double buffer

[abstract cypress]

bel with dildos

then ur good

[sharp wing]

suffolk kai too

[waxen crater]

Hmmm okay thx

Hopefully they get mvp

Unless if I just run low levels and grind gear with a unicorn back

With like terror idfk

[sharp wing]

Forgot Ajax retro

Actuyally HMS vg line is pretty decent and cheap

[vague token]

and durable

[sharp wing]

all the early retroes

[coral wren]

kms on the other hand..

[zenith tundra]

u can level up belchan too

[abstract cypress]

cuz theyre basically bad that need retros

[sharp wing]

not really

[abstract cypress]

yes

[vague token]

eh, leander is still decent for a common CL

[sharp wing]

Leander is very strong common

[vague token]

like you look at eagle CLs lol

in the common tier

big oof

[zenith tundra]

decent? pretty sure she is elite level at least

[vague token]

xD

[sharp wing]

other rare CLs strong too

They may be a bit frail, even after retro

[vague token]

that's what sheffy is for

it's really easy to rig sheffield to cover everyone

[sharp wing]

And things, like Aurora and belchan can carry you a long mile

with pure utility

Edinburg is real CL tank

4k hp at lvl 100

[vague token]

she keeps dropping gold everywhere though

=/

[sharp wing]

So no need to say hms vanilla ships are trash

[vague token]

and akashi keeps stealing it so we never get to keep it

xD

[sharp wing]

[coral wren]

Lmao, tha’s funny how despite having wheel and the badge qe still dies first like a useless piece of shit every time

[sharp wing]

QE is disposable anyway, since her buff works after death

She might drop some shells before going down and that's it

[ionic magnet]

dont go too hard on qe or face daxams wrath

[coral wren]

She misses her salvo 😄 most of the time

[sharp wing]

Like any bb

[ionic magnet]

yea thats the fate of shelling botes

[sharp wing]

That's why u don't rely on shelling in pvp

[zenith tundra]

her purpose is to tank stuff anyway

[coral wren]

Eh, i dunno. Maybe she will tank better at 120 but rn she is a disaster

[zenith tundra]

in hms mirror u have her tanking ws kai

[sharp wing]

That's all she's good for, aside buff

Also you know, her statline is pretty mediocre

[coral wren]

Poor punching bag

[sharp wing]

So don't expect her to be tank or sheller or anything. She is buffer

[coral wren]

Well, i kinda expected the first aside being a buffer. That’s my mistake

[sharp wing]

A real queen, she can command you good, but she can't do shit herself 😄

[vague token]

i still think we need a ship that grants basic barrages, or introduce class based barrages to all ships that are missing one

[coral wren]

Yeah, like any monarch in 20th century...attraction of a human

[zenith tundra]

every bb with a barrage would make an already bb unbalanced game even more unbalanced

[vague token]

yeah but carriers would get class based barrages too

[zenith tundra]

u mean like 2 dumb planes with 100lb bombs?

[waxen crater]

Or hear me out

They make 3 rows

[shy hazel]

its obv

[waxen crater]

Carriers in far back

[shy hazel]

kiro talking about

sara

sarafreak

[vague token]

[zenith tundra]

she already has a barrage

[vague token]

it even sets things on fire like a real gun

[zenith tundra]

she wouldn't get one

[vague token]

;)

[shy hazel]

sara has alot of things u want in a cv

fake barrage and good additional plane skill

only lacking is

x2 dmg

[vague token]

and none of it is reduced by AA

[shy hazel]

ofaster flight

[vague token]

;)

[shy hazel]

but well

she sucks cos uss dont have buffer

[vague token]

it's weird cause she and lexi are vanguard buffers

but their buff doesnt stack

so you cant even use them together

[zenith tundra]

i think they should just remove the screen clear shit from airstrikes and change their cd and dmg to be more useful

[vague token]

yeah, give us the siren helicopters

that do dps until killed

instead of a 1 shot bomb

[shy hazel]

cvs should be untargetable

[vague token]

and have huge hp

[shy hazel]

until u wipe eenmy bbs

lol

[vague token]

(or subs)

;)

[shy hazel]

one person here made sense

have u ever seen a cv irl do mano per mano with a bb

[vague token]

[shy hazel]

cvs are meant to snipe not to go tus

[vague token]

cvs dont even operate on the same range profile as bbs

xD

[zenith tundra]

idk about that u just have cv do whatever they please and no repercussion to them

[vague token]

i mean

subs

or your own fighters

[zenith tundra]

subs do shit dmg at best

[vague token]

planes are supposed to be uncontestable

i mean i dunno how much a sub would do if it could walk up to the enemy backline

and shoot directly at your cvs

dax would win either way

does he have 120 subs yet

lol

[shy hazel]

but well

a more complicated pvp system would take far longer

[zenith tundra]

them not being targetable wouldn't change much since ur bb would still just die from too much focus dmg and cv dmg is pretty meh

[shy hazel]

id like to have a pvp with 3-4 layers on each side tho

[vague token]

which is why we need new plane categories

like siren helicopter

[shy hazel]

destroyers subs only on first layer

[zenith tundra]

u need another game imo

[shy hazel]

bb/bc in 2nd layer

cv repair ships on 3rd layer

[zenith tundra]

go play kc or something

[shy hazel]

kive played kc

kc isnt a game

its a glorified moefied

slot machine

[vague token]

time to go install WoWs and hate everything

xD

[zenith tundra]

al is a game and by no means follows irl logic. just look at aya that does more damage then cv/bb

[sharp wing]

Well, irl, u can sink BB w/ 2-3 DD torps

[vague token]

torps are crazy dangerous

xD

[zenith tundra]

pretty sure torp can't deal more dmg then planes

[vague token]

i mean

[zenith tundra]

if u also consider range difference

[vague token]

planes carry torps

so

it's fine

;)))

[sharp wing]

Actually can

But planes also can carry torps

[hot creek]

KC has much more depth than AL. It actually require you to have large diversified fleet to clear hardest content. Not like AL where all you need is two good barrage ships to beat the game lul

[vague token]

lul

[sharp wing]

KC is hardcore game

AL is just waifu collector

No1 even pretends to conquest KC

[zenith tundra]

one more reason to go play kc if u don't like al

[hot creek]

yeah thats not a bad thing. theres a reason why i left kc for al. cause i wanted to be more casual lol.

[sharp wing]

Hardcore part of KC is the reason, you cannot recommend it to new players

[vague token]

eh, AL has a better art style, it looks more colorful

kc has nice themes but i dunno

it just doesnt pop out to me

also if it isnt in english hard pass

[sharp wing]

If you never played something like GBF

you wouldn't like KC either

Oh, they finally fixed timers

I can now start lecture in an hr before reset

[vague token]

woo!

[sharp wing]

HA!

Prolly fixed other related bugs

We need a damn detailed patch notes

[vague token]

someday i wish they'll add Detailed Skill Description to everything

with full list of ratios, projectile counts, preview, etc

[sharp wing]

You will scare casual ppl to death

[vague token]

i mean, mobas have casuals

even they can process info

lol

[sharp wing]

That's unneeded info for general publicity

[zenith tundra]

too much effort and casuals don't care for it so it doesn't matter

[sharp wing]

You need make things simplified

[vague token]

like how the heck do i know big seven is different from big seven sakura besides the name

i have no idea one is actually godlike and the other is trash

xD

[sharp wing]

Junie really keeps up, due to AA damage, lol

(VS foxes)

[zenith tundra]

play the game

[vague token]

heck most barrages say "damage is based on skill level"

sure it's higher, but how much

and how does it compare with other barrages

[sharp wing]

That's how things nowadays are done

[vague token]

uh, mobas?

path of exile?

xD

[sharp wing]

as simple, as possible

[vague token]

i bet even mobile mobas have more info and that's as casual as it gets xD

[sharp wing]

Cause that Mobas

not waifu collector

[vague token]

or FEH

which has a lot of numbers shown straight out

although i SUPPOSE you're already expecting that

since it's coming from fire emblem

a strategy game

xD

[sharp wing]

apparently

[vague token]

like, https://gyazo.com/b397a6782356c8d41277ee0b8c4f95b2
clarity

FULL details

in a mobile gacha

xD

[blazing scroll]

I see FEH, I approve 👀

[vague token]

just give us that

[sharp wing]

That's just their oldschool style

[vague token]

in AL

[zenith tundra]

i look at that and i don't understand a thing because idk the game

[vague token]

i mean, first line is +3 attack. second line is boost most stats based on number of allies nearby

[sharp wing]

I mean, that's pretty unfriendly to new ppl

[vague token]

if enemy range is a specific amount (2), target their weaker defense stat

[sharp wing]

Esp accounting how mobile now crowded with kids

[vague token]

i mean

i like to assume

my players have brains

and can learn

if i dont assume that

it's like i dont respect their capacity to be human lol

[sharp wing]

I
Mean
Can
You
even
type
normally

[blazing scroll]

Lmao

[vague token]

NO