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vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:11 AM

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eg it stacks multiplicatively

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biscuit's buff isnt that bad

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:11 AM

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If only we had proper KMS carriers

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:11 AM

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she's only held back by mechanics and her team lol

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as soon as they add even a somewhat decent kms ship biscuit will have a chance to shine

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:12 AM

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lol

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:12 AM

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sadly we have ijn overlords

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it will never be

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LongCryland

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:12 AM

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I'd rather see USS flag

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then shitty KMS botes

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WarShrug

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:13 AM

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i mean eagle suffers from a lot of no barragers xD

sharp obsidian Jun 17, 2019, 3:14 AM

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My girl Zeppy is pretty good

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:14 AM

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since standard big seven is trash, you get wash and penn

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and georgia once she's in

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not really any different from kms's problem

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they just gotta rework vanilla shelling and movement ai for non-ijn barragers to shine ;)))))))))))))))))

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aka rip the dream

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inb4 iowa just has BIG carrier buffs

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xD

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:16 AM

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It's just that Sodako takes flag spot and we just need another proper barrage boat at second side (better buffer)

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:16 AM

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actually it would be cool to see something that grants a barrage to shelling ships, that would be a cool mechanic

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:16 AM

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Just waiting Iowa

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:16 AM

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like it does -1 MGM to the ships

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but it grants a 100% barrage

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or something

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or she could command ships like a true leader

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on self MGM, order other bbs to shoot a barrage using their stats

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instead of own stats

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:18 AM

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You talk such bs accounting spaghettis code LeanderXD

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and potato devs

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:18 AM

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i mean if you dont do something like that you'll never get vanilla shellers to be anything more than pve land

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xD

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:18 AM

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I wonder how they even manage to implement new mechanics at all

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:19 AM

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with more

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🍝

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MORE

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:19 AM

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I mean, it IS PVE waifu collector

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WarShrug

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:19 AM

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yeah but most of the basic shellers dont even fit in w12-13

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so big rip

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:20 AM

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Many things don't fit there ololo

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:20 AM

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xD

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difficulty creep is gonna make it even tougher for the game to be waifu friendly

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if they dont fix that big oof

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inb4 chapter 14 just deletes anything not t0 or t1

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:21 AM

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Difficulty is incompatible with "use any waifu" u know

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:21 AM

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yeah, which means pve is getting less waifu

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that's bad eventually ;)

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:21 AM

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There will always be stuff, where you "use any waifu" and "hard" stuff

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and 90% don't do "hard" stuff, cause they are here for waifu

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:22 AM

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i mean

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main story is something all casuals will want

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usually

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in most games lol

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:22 AM

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Reminds me of FGO

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LeanderXD

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:22 AM

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like at least in FEH you can murder units to give other units their skills

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which honestly is less balanced than this

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:22 AM

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WOWOW

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:23 AM

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because some units clearly have better base stats

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yeah

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:23 AM

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THAT"S SOME BS, lol

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:23 AM

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yep

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it is both more options

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and less options

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:23 AM

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Bloody hell lol

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:23 AM

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there are still uniques

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but

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xD

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usually weapons

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or incompatible

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like buff unit category that they arent

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:23 AM

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FEH probably is like damn powercreep

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:23 AM

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oh yeah

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big time

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:23 AM

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built on the blood

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:23 AM

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im glad AL isnt THAT bad

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:23 AM

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Of murdered waifus

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:23 AM

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yep xD

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we just enhance

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:24 AM

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LeanderXD

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:24 AM

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dupes get to retire

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in FEH you consume their soul to steal their skills

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and put them on superior units

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big oof

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:24 AM

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I call that BS

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:24 AM

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it is

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xD

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:24 AM

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Way to ruin the game

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In any possible way

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:24 AM

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WarShrug

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:25 AM

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Take top of the stat hero and give it top of the line skills, ok

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:25 AM

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what we need is just more ships brought up to par

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instead of just making a new par line

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all the time

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like ships with a niche

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should be strong in that niche

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:25 AM

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Not like Nanoda isn't something like that

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LeanderXD

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:25 AM

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instead of just globally powerful

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all the time

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but ijn overlords ruin that plan

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xD

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the bar is WAAAAY high up

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:26 AM

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After Amagi it was doomed

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:26 AM

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WarShrug

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i mean if we didnt have FW at the start

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nakaga would have been pretty bad

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but not this bad

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xD

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:27 AM

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Considering ALL non SR USS BBs have IJN tier AA...

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:28 AM

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big oof

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but they're still pretty much all shellers

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even if you slapped 400 aa on tennessee

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she's still bad

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:29 AM

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They have even healer bb

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:29 AM

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amagi's stat debuff alone is better than tennessee's lol

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:29 AM

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Well, she is mare rare

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and non event

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:29 AM

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yeah but like, amagi also gets a barrage and defense buff

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like amagi has no niche

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she is omni useful

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:29 AM

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She is just broken

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:29 AM

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tennessee COULD be niche with a stronger debuff

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:30 AM

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She is not vanilla

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:30 AM

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but she isnt even niche

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she's just bad

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:30 AM

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cmon

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:30 AM

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xD

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:30 AM

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Tennessee is just vanilla poor bote

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:30 AM

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that and fixed timer skills are really awkward

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because meta usually just dodges all of them

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except foxes i guess

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lol

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:30 AM

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But it's always in gacha games. Vanilla units cannot stand long

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:31 AM

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i mean

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kizuna DD

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has a 100% activation debuff

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THAT CAN SOMETIMES buff enemies

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:31 AM

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Kizu is pretty OP

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:31 AM

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yet it's obviously worse than amagi

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who has no downside

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:31 AM

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xD

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:31 AM

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and is always active

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kizuna's debuff should be HUGE

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given it has risk

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and the time limitation

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(fiji also has a global timer debuff at 20s with 100% activation rate)

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reee

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:32 AM

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~~Fiji has constant thot buff~~

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WarShrug

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:33 AM

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it's a bummer though cause fiji has a 60% aa buff but even with a gold aa gun she still doesnt hit sandy's unboosted aa

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xD

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fiji could be niche with a retro

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probably

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not good

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but niche

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:33 AM

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And Sandy doesn't hit anywhere near Isuzu

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WarShrug

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:34 AM

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isuzu doesnt beat sandy's aa at base im pretty sure

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:34 AM

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She does

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By mile too

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:35 AM

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343 no gun

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vs 449 sandy

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no gun

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:35 AM

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Isuzu has +1 AA

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so double that value basically

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WarShrug

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:35 AM

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oh lol

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weird

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well that's what sandy kai is for ;))))

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:36 AM

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She beats sandi kai in AA DPS without Sandy buff too

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There was a chart on jp wiki

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:38 AM

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well, sandy helps her friends at least

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;)

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and 700 more hp lol

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:38 AM

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Isuzu is purely AA niche

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Sandy Kai has damage too

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:38 AM

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xD

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:38 AM

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Even non Kai she has much more gun dps

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:39 AM

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oh wow yeah reload and fp way higher

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oof

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well i think isuzu is at least well designed for a niche

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:40 AM

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She is just a rare non event ship too

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:40 AM

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yeah

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:40 AM

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She can give a run for their money to many

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:40 AM

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like fiji cant even fit aa niche T_T

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despite 60% self buff lol

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:40 AM

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~~She fits thot niche~~

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Well, i'm pretty disappointed in curlew curacoa too

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I hoped retro would fix them

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:41 AM

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xD

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:41 AM

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Like give them ability to use DD/AA in 1 slot

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make them somewhat decent gunboats at least

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:42 AM

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WarShrug

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:42 AM

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In the end they still better gunboats, than AA

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Due to DD MG+1

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:42 AM

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should have just given them AAG+1

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lol

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:42 AM

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They got MG+1

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:42 AM

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is their barrage even as good as sandy's to warrant that

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:42 AM

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They are opposite design to Yat

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:42 AM

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or even remotely close

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:44 AM

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nah, their barrage looks meh

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You can look on cn wiki

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:44 AM

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=(

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le sadness

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:45 AM

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http://p8.qhimg.com/t016bf61aa202934128.gif

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pewpewpew

wicked rivet Jun 17, 2019, 3:46 AM

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lmfao

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:46 AM

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lol

wicked rivet Jun 17, 2019, 3:46 AM

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10/10 barrage

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:46 AM

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that's

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bland

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i wouldnt call it bad

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just boring

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looks like juneau's but there's a 3rd wave

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xD

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:47 AM

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and too thin

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:47 AM

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yeah super narrow

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:47 AM

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Junie has big volume

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and half screen coverage

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:48 AM

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atlanta class*

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xD

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atlanta retro when

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 3:51 AM

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Sendai class 6 wave barrage is fun tho

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Never used em pvp, so idk if it's any decent

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 3:57 AM

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i guess the other solution is to add smol barrages to all ship classes

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(to the basic sheller problem)

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and if they have a unique barrage dont give them a class one

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;)

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(timer ones dont count)

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dang it sara stop stealing mvps

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xD

modern tree Jun 17, 2019, 7:03 AM

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I am glad that with retrofits of the Ceres class HMS has gotten yet another support ship for Carriers they don't have

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I bet Illustrious and Uni will enjoy their 15% more damage.

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 7:06 AM

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She buffs any nationality tho

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Enty

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But those 2 ships fail as AA boats

modern tree Jun 17, 2019, 7:08 AM

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Considering air superiority together with both w12 and w13 being plane hells, she's probably a fine low cost ship to run.

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Dunno about her meme AA sister

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 7:09 AM

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Well, considering they MG+1 and DD guns they are more like smol gunboats

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Than AA botes

modern tree Jun 17, 2019, 7:09 AM

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I just don't get why HMS gets all the CV support with none of their CVs being used for more than their utilitiy

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 7:10 AM

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Considering how Glorious is basically worst CV damage wise

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IDK why they have such bias towards HMS CVs

real notch Jun 17, 2019, 7:12 AM

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@ionic magnet kgv in defense is pretty good actually

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against my fleet she seemed pretty tanky

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 7:12 AM

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Tho they have pretty specialized CV/Ls, Healer, Shielder/AA queen, ASW queen

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Hermes retro went wrong way as well tho...

modern tree Jun 17, 2019, 7:15 AM

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KGV gets 5% more defense stats than qe gives straight up and he doesn't run the queen, which amuses me even more than req coming here just to talk about HMS defense

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 7:15 AM

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LeanderXD

ionic magnet Jun 17, 2019, 7:15 AM

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@real notch what comp did you use? is it not just cos of levels?

real notch Jun 17, 2019, 7:15 AM

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uhh

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what were your levels agian

ionic magnet Jun 17, 2019, 7:16 AM

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119 when you tested last night i think

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now shes 120

real notch Jun 17, 2019, 7:16 AM

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oh, mine was 115 115 116 i think

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levels could be partly it

modern tree Jun 17, 2019, 7:17 AM

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HMS CVs exist just to do weird stuff that no other ships do. Supporting them with damage is so weird, but I am sure yoyostar knows what they're doing, considering they're releasing HMS cv supports one after the other

ionic magnet Jun 17, 2019, 7:17 AM

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yea thought so. but these BBs are actually tankier than i expected

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 7:18 AM

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Well, Vic attempted to be more general dps, but

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She is more on Tanky side

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Overall decent general use cv

modern tree Jun 17, 2019, 7:19 AM

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HMS with QE can actually tank Lucky E with only the ship that gets hit by heckdivers really feeling it. Lvl 120 bbs are hella tanky

ionic magnet Jun 17, 2019, 7:19 AM

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8.5k hp with 90ish eva jesus i can only imagine fdg

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 7:20 AM

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sounds low, was that 120

ionic magnet Jun 17, 2019, 7:20 AM

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ah im talking abt kgv

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 7:20 AM

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ah

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Cause FdG is closing on 10k without oath

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at 120

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MEATY

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~~Albedo~~

ionic magnet Jun 17, 2019, 7:21 AM

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MutsukiStare

modern tree Jun 17, 2019, 7:22 AM

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Heavy armour is sort of meant to be balanced by Torps, which are of course hilariously unreliable in pvp

ionic magnet Jun 17, 2019, 7:22 AM

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im only using doy rn cos im using her in pve too

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ill swap qe eventually

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 7:22 AM

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Dork is real MVP

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Even if not like her as waifu much

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Still not sure if she will get that ring

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DorkHeart

modern tree Jun 17, 2019, 7:23 AM

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Also, nepgun on average doubles QE s PvP damage

ionic magnet Jun 17, 2019, 7:23 AM

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just oath everyone np

modern tree Jun 17, 2019, 7:24 AM

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Would recommend

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 7:24 AM

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nepgun let's any main dish out few Ks vg damage

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WarShrug

ionic magnet Jun 17, 2019, 7:25 AM

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yea nepgun is really good

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those purple numbers stand out for sure

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 7:25 AM

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pr2 he guns will be lit af

hot creek Jun 17, 2019, 7:27 AM

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nah, for HMS you want your VG to deal zero damage so you don't pop their juneau. that way, enemy backline will be dead as fuck by the time their junuea dies. OWARIDA

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 7:27 AM

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SmugBucky

hot creek Jun 17, 2019, 7:28 AM

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I haven't actually tested this but I will once everything is 120 and I face more namaryuus

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 7:28 AM

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Actually popping Junie after final counter is BS

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I always prefer to rush her

hot creek Jun 17, 2019, 7:29 AM

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i can't be bothered to grind any other faction's frontline

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so im stuck with HMS now and forever

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 7:30 AM

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EntyLUL

hot creek Jun 17, 2019, 7:30 AM

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#120lyfe

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#TotallyNotBurnedOut

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 7:30 AM

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AmagiKoff

steep fog Jun 17, 2019, 7:30 AM

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I just uncap and let them lvl up in pvp

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AkashiHide

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 7:31 AM

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I just spam w12 w/ pvp fleet

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slowly as much, as i can spare oil

steep fog Jun 17, 2019, 7:31 AM

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im letting my oil regen back to cap

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already got choukai so w/e

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no rush for anything

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 7:32 AM

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jp will get iris rerun as next event. en should be getting that soon too

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 7:32 AM

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Yeah, we already know

steep fog Jun 17, 2019, 7:32 AM

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gotta save oil for 60 sp3 run GWcorbinHolyFuck

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at least event is not 1week like spee

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 7:32 AM

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Well, those sp3 u can 1:1

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 7:33 AM

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getting burned before the grindiest event sounds fun

steep fog Jun 17, 2019, 7:33 AM

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think I only have 20k oil in mail

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AkashiHide

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hopefully I can get 4 french DD guns

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 7:33 AM

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i'm farming fdg so rip my oil

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 7:33 AM

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If the droprates will be as shit, i won't even bother

steep fog Jun 17, 2019, 7:34 AM

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well

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I farmed 3 bofors and 2 hellcat last event

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so... WarShrug

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 7:34 AM

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it also depends of how many sirens there are

steep fog Jun 17, 2019, 7:34 AM

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2 sirens

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 7:34 AM

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if it is d3 there should be 3

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 7:34 AM

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i farmed 60k in D3, 4 bofors BPs Albait

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 7:35 AM

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rip then

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d2?

steep fog Jun 17, 2019, 7:35 AM

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still better to rush boss imo

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yea

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 7:35 AM

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wtf equip there is in d3?

steep fog Jun 17, 2019, 7:35 AM

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siren seems to have lower drop rate than boss

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jb gun

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and u can get 1 from shop

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so can ignore D3 technically

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 7:36 AM

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d2 Mle, d3 JB gun

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 7:36 AM

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don't need that. my jb is full ready for siren farm

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 7:36 AM

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d1 SG radars

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 7:36 AM

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she hits hard but haven't seen 10k+ dmg on auto

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even with 2 shells

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 7:37 AM

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Does preload cuts clear time by a lot tho?

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 7:37 AM

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on sirens for sure. but the dmg output is pretty insane

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 7:37 AM

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On Siren nodes sure

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Oh, lol, event has Sub torp bps

steep fog Jun 17, 2019, 7:39 AM

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huh rly

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 7:39 AM

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550 sub torps

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They are shite anyway

coral wren Jun 17, 2019, 8:03 AM

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Does wichita have it's flagship?

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Ah, they don't

midnight heron Jun 17, 2019, 9:37 AM

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15k? time to die i guess

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zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 9:38 AM

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1st anything that hits that vg only yukikaze left

coral wren Jun 17, 2019, 9:39 AM

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6 oxy torps?

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that's fucked up

midnight heron Jun 17, 2019, 9:40 AM

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my vg prob instadie dont even think yuki can survive cuz lvl

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welp 1st try and vg only took 2-3 torps Thinkpitz

ionic magnet Jun 17, 2019, 9:47 AM

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whats so scary about an inflated fleet power MutsukiStare

shy hazel Jun 17, 2019, 10:29 AM

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SmugBucky

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i think i saw someone like that in avrora

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ofc i won

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cos i never lost a fight these last 5 seasons

wicked rivet Jun 17, 2019, 12:16 PM

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15k power oMeGaLuL ez win

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 12:50 PM

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It's mainly there to scare plebs

analog hare Jun 17, 2019, 12:51 PM

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AkashiHide

analog hare Jun 17, 2019, 1:13 PM

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wich ship ya guys will put first
Nagato or Amagi ??

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zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 1:13 PM

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amagi imo

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she is the one who carries

sharp obsidian Jun 17, 2019, 1:14 PM

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Wow nice 😮

analog hare Jun 17, 2019, 1:15 PM

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ah okay I guess because arcing barrage Thinkpitz ??

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 1:17 PM

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mvp->amagi 70% of the time Thinkpitz

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nepgun is better where u use it the most so flagship

wicked rivet Jun 17, 2019, 1:22 PM

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Well alrighty then

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all according to kuuhaku

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 1:27 PM

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Yeah, Nepgun is best on flag cause it makes the most difference there
(Approximately, subjectively)
Flag goes from hitting secondaries 20% to 40% of the time
Sides goes from hitting secondaries 10% to 25% of the time

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Plus Nagato secs are at 200 eff vs Amagi's 180 eff secondaries and Nagato has higher luck, although you'll be running Amagi more offensively on her aux options

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Nagato does sink first but by that time the impact of PR152 secondaries is nothing/negative anyways

wicked rivet Jun 17, 2019, 1:33 PM

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nepgun is the AP CL gun?

coral wren Jun 17, 2019, 1:34 PM

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Is west coast sleeping rn?

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lobby is ded as fuck

wicked rivet Jun 17, 2019, 1:35 PM

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its 6:30 am for them so yes

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yuore efficiency is 210%

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 1:39 PM

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heh, 210 when most other BBs have 200, IJN bias I suppose LeanderXD

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just like amagi's 180 rather than 150 bias

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though that one at least has historical reasons why, I think

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though by that standard Hood too should probably be 180...

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well I mean by the "historical argument" standard

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both Amagi and Hood are historically called BCs but arguably are very close to the "fast battleship" concept

wicked rivet Jun 17, 2019, 1:42 PM

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channel_nsfw pvp

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 1:42 PM

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we're discussing the secondary efficiencies of ships :P

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then again both Scharn/Gneis are BC here in AL with 150 efficiency

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 1:46 PM

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there are no mods in this channel so it doesn't matter

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 1:46 PM

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so I suppose it circles back to IJN bias

wicked rivet Jun 17, 2019, 1:46 PM

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lets @ the mods and ask why the IJN bias is so stronk

sharp obsidian Jun 17, 2019, 1:46 PM

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Sorry, Neptunia had a gun? 😮

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 1:47 PM

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no, the PR Neptune

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it's the PR 152

sharp obsidian Jun 17, 2019, 1:47 PM

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Oh ok! Thanks, I thought I missed it 😂L

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 1:47 PM

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the better NepNep EmileSip

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 1:47 PM

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any neptune in al is hms neptune by default

coral wren Jun 17, 2019, 1:48 PM

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Hm, noone yet tested bismarck's secondaries dmg on enemy vang?

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 1:48 PM

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it's nice but lol KMS

coral wren Jun 17, 2019, 1:48 PM

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I know 😄

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 1:48 PM

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120 delayed kms testing

buoyant parrot Jun 17, 2019, 1:49 PM

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no body has time right now to focus 120 a bisco... its a waste of time at this moment not unless you're really into her.

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 1:51 PM

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saw exactly 1 guy who has all 120 in pvp

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sadly he use torp VG

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useless

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 1:51 PM

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lol

wicked rivet Jun 17, 2019, 1:52 PM

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rip

coral wren Jun 17, 2019, 1:53 PM

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I've met 113+ kms fleet and that was a disaster for him. Monarch wipes the whole backline

wicked rivet Jun 17, 2019, 1:53 PM

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has anyone run into hyperius?

coral wren Jun 17, 2019, 1:53 PM

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But since he lacked 20% dmg bonus i thought maaaybe it would be an ok for the attacker

wicked rivet Jun 17, 2019, 1:53 PM

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he uses all kms

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altho he still struggles with fox fleets so

coral wren Jun 17, 2019, 1:54 PM

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Never saw that name, but i'm playing on shitshington

wicked rivet Jun 17, 2019, 1:54 PM

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thats why

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he's an avrora boi

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 1:54 PM

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is georgia bunker hill washington/massachusetts not rated in any pvp comp?

coral wren Jun 17, 2019, 1:55 PM

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Nope, i don't think i saw uss fleets in cn tier lists at all

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 1:55 PM

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dk about georgia but all the other pick are not optimal tbh

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bunker hill buff might be good but not really game breaking

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wash is just well wash

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 1:55 PM

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bunker hill doea give acc and fp u would think its not that bad

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 1:55 PM

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dk about mass since i rarely see anyone mention her

wicked rivet Jun 17, 2019, 1:55 PM

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could probly use it fine

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I want my massachusetts

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 1:56 PM

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Eagle's problem for PvP is that it's just not broken enough AkagiLUL

wicked rivet Jun 17, 2019, 1:56 PM

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^

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 1:56 PM

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well problem is wash being wash

wicked rivet Jun 17, 2019, 1:56 PM

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and half the ijn ships are completely broken

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 1:56 PM

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WaSD topped the meta for when teams weren't broken yet

wicked rivet Jun 17, 2019, 1:56 PM

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Yeptune

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and then ijn broke everything

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 1:56 PM

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as for USS VG

wicked rivet Jun 17, 2019, 1:56 PM

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specifically amagi and yukikaze

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 1:56 PM

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who tf would use them in pvp

wicked rivet Jun 17, 2019, 1:56 PM

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and then nagato just made it worse

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 1:56 PM

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u mean ther was only hms as an actual team?

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 1:57 PM

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so bunker hill is just whatever

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 1:57 PM

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Well USS VG suffers from either no torps or being a DD

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and not having anything broken enough to make up for it outside of Juneau

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 1:57 PM

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hence why bunker hill is not good enough as a buffer

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 1:57 PM

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and boosting Juneau is pretty EntyLUL

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 1:57 PM

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no good ship to benefit from the buff

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useless

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 1:58 PM

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and she's not solid enough by herself to carry too

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kinda like Bis

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 1:58 PM

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at least biscuit got 2 good ship

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 1:58 PM

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georgia looks far from bad

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 1:58 PM

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even tho 1 of them is 1 year away

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zzz

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 1:58 PM

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Roon isn't really PvP material anyways

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 1:59 PM

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kms ~~master~~ waifu race

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 1:59 PM

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not that saint louis is far from her. any cv comp just melts her

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 2:00 PM

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you not going to meet any CV comp on def anyway

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 2:00 PM

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nakaga almost 1 shooted my saint louis in jp like 20% hp left

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 2:00 PM

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unless you use def fleet

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which is useless as everybody here know

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 2:01 PM

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hiryuu is a legit ship on defense

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 2:01 PM

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CV comp = more than 2

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1 CV != CV comp

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 2:01 PM

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cv comps mean using cv at all

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since all u see are bb comps

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 2:02 PM

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that's just normal meta lel

coral wren Jun 17, 2019, 2:02 PM

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Btw, we will see if iris gets good/broken ships on rerun to confirm/deconfirm theory that devs are getting slow with powercreep shit. Or when new ijn ships arrive, since they are wanking off to any ijn related

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 2:02 PM

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outside of namaryuu

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 2:02 PM

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the only OP event was amagi

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been a flop since amagi

coral wren Jun 17, 2019, 2:03 PM

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I dunno, azuma seems to be pretty insane

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 2:03 PM

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azuma is not event

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i said event

coral wren Jun 17, 2019, 2:03 PM

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You think powercreep is related to events only?

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 2:04 PM

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iris is french ships. rerun ship should be jeanne d'arc

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 2:04 PM

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ppl not having event ship = can't compete in pvp?

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eh yes?

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tell that to the many ppl who don't have either YKK or amagi

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 2:04 PM

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sr ships and shes a cl

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 2:04 PM

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you think they can beat meta w/o reset?

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 2:05 PM

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so no power creep inc imo

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and jb as good as she is for pve i never saw her doing much on def teams

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should try her on offense tho

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:06 PM

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Well CE just overshadows since it's a late event that EN got cause... reasons

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 2:06 PM

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jb good on off

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dk about def tho

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she is just a sniper

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:06 PM

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lol if Bis was downtuned to match EN powerlevels though EntyLUL

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JB for offense is like torpmemes

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you go in, watch 5s, then reset if bad RNG

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 2:06 PM

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what i want is rihne drill on bis

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100% to nuke hood

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 2:07 PM

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use 410 ap and hope its on hood

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:07 PM

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457 AP once that's a thing :p

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 2:07 PM

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SmugBucky

coral wren Jun 17, 2019, 2:07 PM

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No info on Richelieu skills yet

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:07 PM

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yeah it was pretty much just announced, so...

coral wren Jun 17, 2019, 2:08 PM

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She isn't an ijn so i guess nothing will come out

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:09 PM

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I'm kinda sad on the IJN bias tbh
Devs are in CN so I'd thought it'd be tuned down
weeabo power too stronk I suppose (and the JP cashcow)

coral wren Jun 17, 2019, 2:09 PM

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JP cashcow
You kinda nailed it

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 2:09 PM

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pretty sure rn all the strongest ships in the game arent ijn

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:09 PM

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it was tuned down mostly til the JP market happened

coral wren Jun 17, 2019, 2:10 PM

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I don't think it has anything to do with dev's weabooism

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:10 PM

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azuma

coral wren Jun 17, 2019, 2:10 PM

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amagi

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:10 PM

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ykkz

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 2:10 PM

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azuma is a vg ship and cant compare to fdg and ws kai

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 2:10 PM

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JP still dominated the pvp meta

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so yeh still JP bias

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:10 PM

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ykkz and Hiryuu the only ones from pre-JP

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Hiryuu got a retro post though

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and ykkz is somewhat popular in china for various reasons

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(mostly war trophy ones)

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 2:11 PM

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hiryuu is bad unless u face ws kai or foxes. amagi requires ijn comps. nagato is bad outside of rng and buff

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:11 PM

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(like how Eugen is popular in US)

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 2:11 PM

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you don't need to dominate the scene when most meta include like 2 to 3 ships from your own faction

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:12 PM

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and IJN also dominates the scene EmileSip

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 2:12 PM

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not in term of fire power is what zack is getting at i believe

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:12 PM

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Hiryuu's fine vs everything else anyways, she's not just anti-fox/wskai

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being 1 strike up over other CVs guaranteed and possibly 2 turns out to be quite good, who knew LeanderXD

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 2:13 PM

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team synergy > any 1 ship

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:13 PM

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well until we get more OP ships that is

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 2:14 PM

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unless they can 1 v 6

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useless

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:14 PM

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every top ~~PvE~~ PvP team in CN has devolved into "slap in good ships" now

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not that it isn't somewhat already, look at vgs outside of HMS

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 2:14 PM

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pretty sure PVE is just whatever

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 2:15 PM

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i have hiryuu kai on jp and her dmg is so mediocre sometimes that i wonder if she is worth using at all

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 2:15 PM

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since ppl can even use bullin + purrin in w13

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:15 PM

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and even HMS runs ykkz and Juneau usually

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 2:15 PM

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outside of wa kai and foxes counter she is mediocre

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 2:15 PM

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hiryuu is on clean up duty

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not an opener

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:15 PM

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yeah, if she doesn't proc counter it's pretty w/e on damage, but that's cause you're winning hard anyways

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plus vs wskai her damage will be naturally low since you're stalling the wskai focus with her

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no counter = 1 less strike of damage
and given PvP timers that's a lot of damage missed

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 2:17 PM

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also not really helping that most JP CV all need their sister to work properly

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 2:17 PM

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i need to run dumb comps to see if hiryuu can carry by herself against good teams

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:17 PM

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well I kinda did that before Nagato LeanderXD

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Hiryuu/Amagi/Hood

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 2:18 PM

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i mean the like of hiryuu jb something else non meta

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:18 PM

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nothing carries solo vs good teams, but if they are usable without much synergy it says a lot

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well if you use 5 non-meta ships ofc it's not gonna do well... LeanderXD

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even WSkai can't fully carry that

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 2:19 PM

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aside from WS and maybe fdg i can't think of anyone who can solo well tbh?

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 2:19 PM

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ws kai can carry almost anything tbh

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40k dmg is good enough for 1 ship

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:19 PM

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Hiryuu ain't as broken as WSkai but she's broken enough

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 2:20 PM

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only if you manage to crack their def enough for her to matter

coral wren Jun 17, 2019, 2:20 PM

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That's kinda sad tho, i do believe jp/cn meta would shift from ijn to mixed fleets if not for azuma.

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:20 PM

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to be run in IJN team at least, until maybe maxed FdG

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 2:20 PM

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she still suffer when any VG is on her face

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:20 PM

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yeah, FdG would've shaked things up a bit, maybe

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 2:21 PM

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fdg + ws

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:21 PM

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but then maybe it would've all been WSkai/FdG+4 other good stuff

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 2:21 PM

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3 flex would usually be either bis or amagi

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but i would say they going to default to amagi

coral wren Jun 17, 2019, 2:21 PM

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Like, something something fdg ws kai+random buffer or another barrage boat

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 2:21 PM

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VG i think we just going to see jun azuma ykk

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:22 PM

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That's a team already, supposedly

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with Monarch as one 3rd main slot

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 2:22 PM

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slap all best pvp ship into 1 team and call it a day lel

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monarch could work

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:22 PM

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but I mean without azuma

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that meta might've been nice, one without azuma

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 2:23 PM

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meta atm is just 2 best pvp ships which are fixed on all comp + a flex pick

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:23 PM

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Monarch for some WSkai synergy I think is the though for that one

coral wren Jun 17, 2019, 2:23 PM

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But now it's back to namagyuu with azuma

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 2:23 PM

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for both VG + back line

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:23 PM

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and then FdG possibly over yuu once FdG is maxed

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 2:24 PM

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10k HP + heavy armor

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gl trying to nuke her lel

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not to mention the more HP she lost the more tanky she is

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a lone hiryuu ain't going to do shit

coral wren Jun 17, 2019, 2:25 PM

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besides torps, what else can you do against heavy armor

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 2:25 PM

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nothing

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:25 PM

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yeah, FdG fills the role of Yuu mostly
and with Azuma filling IJN req of Amagi that isn't an issue either

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 2:25 PM

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if you talking about hiryuu

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:25 PM

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aviation suicide ignores armor type

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 2:25 PM

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fdg is just brute force her down

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:25 PM

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TBs iirc have torp-like modifiers

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 2:25 PM

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i doubt even ws can even nuke her 1 v 1

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 2:25 PM

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this looks dumb enough

📎 Screenshot_2019-06-17-17-25-19-491_com.YoStarJP.AzurLane.png

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:26 PM

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BBAP mods vs heavy aren't bad

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that's about it

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 2:26 PM

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📎 Screenshot_2019-06-17-17-25-11-345_com.YoStarJP.AzurLane.png

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dumb opponent as well

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 2:26 PM

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torp VG

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lel

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not to mention jintsuu for ibuki

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:26 PM

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but yeah, without azuma FdG over Hiryuu might be a closer call

coral wren Jun 17, 2019, 2:27 PM

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Pray for qe to get her retrofit with even more buffs for hms

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:27 PM

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if QE just becomes a good enough ship indep it's good enough to revive HMS

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 2:27 PM

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~~the only thing i can see that would make her t0 is a non hms debuff~~

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which let be real they just going to add a barrage

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fucking REEEE

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:27 PM

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since WSkai is a thing HMS is not that far from top

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yeah, lazy but effective enough I suppose

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 2:28 PM

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📎 Screenshot_2019-06-17-17-27-45-142_com.YoStarJP.AzurLane.png

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 2:28 PM

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3 v 1?

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rip

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 2:28 PM

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lets try ws kai instead

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of hiryuu

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:29 PM

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try running Hiryuu center

coral wren Jun 17, 2019, 2:29 PM

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Well, i assume if she could buff all round her for bonus dmg vs ijn like kgv, that would be kinda neat

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:29 PM

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also 1 data point LeanderXD

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vs a high-rng team to boot

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 2:30 PM

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jb rng lol

📎 Screenshot_2019-06-17-17-29-26-834_com.YoStarJP.AzurLane.png

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almost 1 shooted all opponent vg

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:31 PM

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I also see a chunk on Akagi

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that JB too?

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 2:31 PM

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just JB thing

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might be WS

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could be wrong

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:32 PM

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oh right he moved to WS

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yeah that should be WS then

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heck the damage popup is still there, it's WS

ionic magnet Jun 17, 2019, 2:33 PM

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whats even the point of that test 👀

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 2:33 PM

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test to see if hiryuu can solo carry

coral wren Jun 17, 2019, 2:33 PM

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Ws with monarch are true hms saviors. if only they had some decent hms vanguard to compete with the others

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:33 PM

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I mean 1 data point is ehhh
you'll need analysis rather than results

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like "I see enemy team had poor RNG and mine decent, and Hiryuu still failed to carry, hmmm"
and "I see enemy team had better RNG and mine worse, but WSkai still carried, hmmm"

ionic magnet Jun 17, 2019, 2:34 PM

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i mean hiryuu is still a really good ship even if she cant solo carry

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 2:34 PM

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without jb murdering opponent vg

📎 Screenshot_2019-06-17-17-34-04-563_com.YoStarJP.AzurLane.png

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:35 PM

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that's not what we're arguing anyways, that Hiryuu is better solo than WSkai

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it's that Hiryuu isn't entirely about her synergy

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 2:35 PM

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just saying that hiryuu is no where close as broke as fdg and ws kai

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:35 PM

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and outside of synergy and niche she's still pretty OP for PvP

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 2:35 PM

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with how stack their skill / stat are

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:36 PM

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oh ofc
but excluding that trio she's one of the next most broken

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 2:36 PM

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not to mention hiryuu is losing 35% dmg from her sister

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ofc

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:36 PM

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well, quartet with Amagi too

coral wren Jun 17, 2019, 2:36 PM

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Wanna see next cv having 30 secs of invincibility? Ayaya

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 2:36 PM

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cv need a total rework in al

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 2:36 PM

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meh just give her YKK level of luck + skill and call it a day

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 2:37 PM

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jb solo would simply make all cv look like trash

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cant immagine fdg

coral wren Jun 17, 2019, 2:37 PM

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I do agree with someone here, who posted that they need to put cv way behind so that bbs can no target them

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:38 PM

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idk how positive that would be tbh

coral wren Jun 17, 2019, 2:38 PM

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But maybe limit it to 1 cv max

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:38 PM

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you just make rest fleet eat focus

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 2:38 PM

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and not only pvp. pve in the same boat but ur forced to use cv in pve for airspace and planes

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:38 PM

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like if you gave most teams the option to ignore one enemy ship until all else are dead, most would take it

ionic magnet Jun 17, 2019, 2:39 PM

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yea that wont fix anything and will only further limit viable comps

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:40 PM

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nah I'm thinking it would not change much if anything

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if you don't run 3 CV the other mains with "back-back-line CVs" proposal will eat additional focus

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and like maaaybe FdG is the only one that doesn't mind that too much

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3 CVs might sorta be interesting, depends on if VG can stall enough

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which I'm skeptical but not dismissive of

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 2:43 PM

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idk if al will ever have balance in between cv and bb. if they haven't changed cv so far idk if they will in the future. maybe if airspace control was implemented in pvp as well

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:43 PM

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airspace control is a very AmagiKoff mechanic too

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 2:44 PM

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and the dmg reduction wasnt planes only but bb shoots as well

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:44 PM

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a hit stat buff/debuff tbh would make a lot of sense

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blind the enemy fleet/scout for yours

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 2:45 PM

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it makes quite a difference in pve from what i saw

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9-1 hm boss was so much easier with air superiority

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:46 PM

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well afaik it's cause plane spam is a higher threat now for PvP
and airspace control modifies ambush chances like SG radar does

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 2:46 PM

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like u dont miss every shoot on it

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:46 PM

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hmm, what was the modifiers again for airspace?

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oh there is a hit/evasion modifier LeanderXD

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you can kinda tell I haven't played with it yet :P

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 2:47 PM

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10% hit ratting for superiority

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the negatives are both hit and evasion by 8%

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:48 PM

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It's like a Nagato buff but to everyone
plus 10% avi dred and a SG radar modification

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idk how PvP would implement it though, both fleets get the buff/debuff or only one?

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if it's only yours that means offense/defense will be pretty different, I think

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 2:49 PM

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i think that just current airspace control would make almost all comps run 1 cv

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calculated like pve

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if u dont have cv u get negative

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:49 PM

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2 vs 1 CV would already be Air Superiority/Air denial

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 2:49 PM

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if u have more cv u get positive

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:50 PM

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wait nvm CV non-parity would almost always be that level

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 2:50 PM

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2 cv vs 0 is tier 2 bonus 2 cv vs 1 is tier 1 bonus and 1 cv vs 0 tier 1 bonus and if same pretty much parity

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:51 PM

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is 1 CV vs 0 tier 1 bonus only?

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what's the offset on the calc?

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 2:52 PM

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it is how i picture it but there is aa in the calcs as well

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:52 PM

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AA only is a multiplier

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there's a offset as well I haven't found what the 0 CV base AS value is

wicked rivet Jun 17, 2019, 2:52 PM

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is airpace control in EN yet?

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 2:53 PM

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nope

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:53 PM

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no, we're thinking about how it'd affect PvP though

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so first is to map out what the bonuses would be for X CVs vs Y CVs, assuming it's iden to PvE

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 2:54 PM

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i dont think there is a point to penalize bb only comps so much as to give t2 bonus

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with only 1 cv disadvantage

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:54 PM

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would be a great way to try to prevent BB-only comps though

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well, "great"

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 2:55 PM

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if airspace would reduce not only planes damage but shelling or even all damage it would be enough

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:56 PM

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it would be a fair-ish tradeoff though, for BBs not being affected by airspace control as much

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would limit viability of CV-only and BB-only (and buffs encouraging those), to encourage running mixes

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e.g. now you don't just run 2BB with WSkai

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 2:58 PM

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is 20% enough dmg bonus for cv tho?

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 2:58 PM

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I'd say it's not that far off if not near-optimal-balancepoint

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PvE just has the sky-high enemy AA

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PvP doesn't suffer quite as much

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 3:00 PM

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the main problem for cv still remains survivability. easy to kill with barrage bbs

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 3:01 PM

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they could easily fix this problem by separate skill number from pvp and pve

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 3:01 PM

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also high ce on airstrikes compared to bb that can shoot close to 35% faster

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 3:01 PM

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make it so pvp number are less than pve

wicked rivet Jun 17, 2019, 3:01 PM

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AL fixing things for pvp

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 3:01 PM

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many game have that function

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 3:01 PM

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they already tweak barrage locations anyways for PvP

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and WS already has separate PvP and PvE damage

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so it's reasonable

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 3:03 PM

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like how in pve her skill miss and always hit in pvp?
curious as i don't read detail patch note

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 3:03 PM

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with additional aviation dmg possible with AS, I'd say that's a good excuse to boost the HP multiplier further

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WS uses 80% instead of 100% of her FP to calculate her skillshot damage in PvP

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PvE it uses the full 100% afaik

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that's been the case for a very long time

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not sure if wskai changes that though

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 3:04 PM

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well i never care about WS pre kai

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so there that

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 3:05 PM

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well, for the EN/JP release versions HMS with her was the best PvP team

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 3:05 PM

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dk what i was using in early pvp

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 3:05 PM

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CN is a different beast since they did a number of calculation reworks post-release

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 3:05 PM

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enty hood and random maybe?

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still can win fight

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 3:06 PM

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that's cause no one had stuff set up anyways

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and accelerated schedule meant we blazed past that

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it wasn't much better than Hakaga/Entaka anyways

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FW dropped super early for us, remember

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and we got the post-reworked FW ships ofc

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 3:07 PM

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yeh

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after that i just max wasd

steep fog Jun 17, 2019, 3:07 PM

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I joined just in time for amagi

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 3:07 PM

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been using them until amagi show up

steep fog Jun 17, 2019, 3:08 PM

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best time ever

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imagine not having amagi in pvp AkashiHide

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 3:09 PM

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CN early meta I know little about
by the time I joined AL WaSD was well-established as the best setup there (HMS contesting that spot)

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For JP around then was HMS meta since they lacked FW

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up until Nagato dropped

coral wren Jun 17, 2019, 3:10 PM

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I joined at the end of cranes event and everybody was bitching about e

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fun times, already miss them

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 3:11 PM

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funny to think that JP basically never got to experience the WaSD meta

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everyone had Nakaga already and it wasn't worth it to bring up WaSD for the minimal (arguable) edge it provided

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 3:11 PM

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you mean slow poke meta?

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1min + to win any fight

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fucking hell on earth

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 3:12 PM

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well namayuu mirrors are that anyways

wicked rivet Jun 17, 2019, 3:12 PM

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WaSDE shizzSleep

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 3:12 PM

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you saw that, what was it, a 2min40s fight I capped?

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 3:12 PM

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well if you use mirror

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been using foxes which is faster

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foxes in wasd was a death sentence

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 3:13 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/516951413411020819/583339152959995959/Screenshot_2019-05-23-12-54-19-738_com.YoStarEN.AzurLane.png

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 3:13 PM

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lol YKk stand off

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 3:13 PM

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2min35, close enough

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 3:13 PM

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welp

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 3:14 PM

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the ykkz spitball duel lasted over a minute by itself

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until right after that cap his ate my torps

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 3:14 PM

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i would suggest removing eva gear from hiryuu and use cata instead

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also cuda instead of ryuusei

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 3:15 PM

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it's very rarely an issue anyways

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I swear by ryuusei on Hiryuu always period, and eva gear is my choice for my usual strat

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 3:15 PM

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just pray for 818 soon in en

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 3:16 PM

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trading amagi on hiryuu is usually pretty fast since it accels the main fight

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ofc rare case of stuff like this happening, where the mains trade off first

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it's like 1/100 or less though so w/e

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idk if I'll run 818 actually, on solo-hiryuu

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I'll sure try it out ofc

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 3:17 PM

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if u can actually get some sinergy in between bb shoots and 818 it should be so easy to kill vg

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that slow is pretty nuts

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 3:18 PM

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that's somewhat of a problem though, maybe
I suppose just BB secs alone make a pretty big diff though

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but 818 just doesn't have the nuke of Ryuuseis on main, which is what I'm looking for right now I think

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 3:19 PM

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for namaryuu maybe u can still hit amagi 2nd mg shoots but not sure. never checked the timings at 120

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 3:19 PM

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it's why I don't run cudas, you might do more dmg but it's spread out which is less useful

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amagi 2nd and nagato 3rd iirc, with the 381kai

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 3:20 PM

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cudas do make opponent vg a non issue

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 3:20 PM

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both barrages hit into enty, which means shots, which land mostly later, should land in 818 timing

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opponent vg is rarely an issue anyways
ryuuseis either nuke flag (/other main if flag sunk) or nuke vg and either is a good outcome for you usually

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cudas do a consistent chunk... spread out which imo is less useful

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 3:22 PM

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that is assuming saint louis or ibuki on defense dont become a problem

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 3:22 PM

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well Louis you run on off too and she's consistent, which means off advantage favors you on that

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ibuki is the only sorta-scary one but I'm pretty sure she's just a meme

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 3:23 PM

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idk her offense dmg if far from a meme

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 3:25 PM

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relying on torps for offense tends to be questionable since you want consistency instead since you're already at very high win%
defense she's scary cause of that same RNG, but overall I don't think she's good enough over other options that the RNG potential makes up for it

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plus low speed means her teams will likely be somewhat BB-shot-catchers

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same problem as Roon there

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 3:27 PM

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i did 10 attempts with namaryuu ibuki and she was far from inconsistent in dmg

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 3:27 PM

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less consistent than other options though for not enough of an advantage overall, I think

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 3:28 PM

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saint louis dmg imo is overated and if she cannot tank she end up being useless

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 3:28 PM

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though namayuu high-% means sacrificing % for speed isn't bad

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Louis is there to shut down aurora mostly

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 3:28 PM

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no one uses aurora

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literally

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 3:28 PM

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Nep is option as well (and imo better vs non-aurora)

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 3:29 PM

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i dont think i saw more then 1 aurora and she is only used for foxes

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 3:29 PM

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well CN laughs there apparently cause aurora-namayuu has higher winrate over all non-CA namayuu apparently

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or aurora naga-dragons apparently

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 3:30 PM

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i look for all namaryuu in my jp server and see if even 1 uses aurora

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 3:30 PM

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yeah yeah CN diffs but I still haven't seen any non-anecdotal references

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well apparently it's not really used on CN much either

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 3:31 PM

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so what are u countering then...

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 3:31 PM

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but the tests have 50+ rounds so they're probably not-incorrect
yeah, which is why most ppl in the know just run Neptune

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it's funny that likely half the ppl running Louis-Namayuu are following a tierlist without reading the explaination LeanderXD

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"dunks on Aurora without losing much if any winrate elsewhere"

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though I'll be using it anyways for just-in-case, and I don't want to bother shuffling setups unless I'm trying to test

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in any case, with 120 out the first thing to test once I have her 120 is to see if Juneau can actually tank now or our assumptions are wrong

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might have to wait on having 120 fleets to test against though LaffeyDrink

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 3:40 PM

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this is the only thing i could find with aurora

📎 Screenshot_2019-06-17-18-31-53-630_com.YoStarJP.AzurLane.png

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it is rushers time tho since jp just got daily reset

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all the good namaryuu with juneau were closer to the bottom top 100

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ws kai meta forces juneau tank

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 3:46 PM

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well time to test the CN aurora lineups ourselves (tbh probably yourself LeanderXD as the only one in position to if you want )

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 3:46 PM

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running her elsewhere is useless pretty much since u end up to easily 5vs6

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im rank 9k since the no one played pvp for like half season

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 3:47 PM

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oof time to wait i suppose

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 3:47 PM

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all i find is semi memes at best

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 3:48 PM

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either just standard namayuu with jun/aurora/ykkz or the dragons team
but the dragons team I heard does poorly vs wskai ones so you'll have to watch out for that, maybe

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 3:49 PM

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lvl 99 aurora on this account. something else to level up i guess

coral wren Jun 17, 2019, 3:50 PM

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What was the most optimal hms vang after ws kai, jun/nep/louis?

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 3:51 PM

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erm, google tl says of the cn article,
"Longmen Great Emperor Gun High Explosion 152 Double 40 Advanced Fire Control Little Beaver

Flying dragon gold pirate sb2c meteor beacon fuel

Canglong gold pirate sb2c 818 beacon Jiangjiang machine

Sirius Air Force Cannon Color Five 113 Pearl Lightning Protection

Aurora High Explosion 152 Color Five 113 Boiler x2

Louis Scientific High Explosion Gold Four Double 40 Boiler x2 (My wife Triple 310 Gold Gaoping Double 40 Gyro x2) (Seattle High Explosion 152x2 Double 40 Boiler x2)
https://www. bilibili. com/read/cv2799938"

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 3:51 PM

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and iris event farm too incoming so it might take a while. as of now the queue for stuff to level up is quite long not to mention pr 2 xp farming

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 3:51 PM

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ykkz also an option over louis

coral wren Jun 17, 2019, 3:52 PM

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Hm, i mean, other than nep no other hms boats like aur or bel?

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To utilize qe 15%

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 3:52 PM

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or Louis over Sirius for another version I see, on the Nakaga-dragons lineup

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 3:54 PM

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if u consider that no one likes belfast ur stuck with neptune forever in hms

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 3:54 PM

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neither aurora nor bel really offers that much, for WSkai HMS

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for out current EN ones, aurora in particular might offer more

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 3:55 PM

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i dont have a leveled qe on this account but once i get pr2 gun ill give belfast a try to see how she does

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im so curious to see how much unappreciated she is

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15/25 on that so far

coral wren Jun 17, 2019, 3:59 PM

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Yeah, i was convinced bel is great only due to her anti cv skill

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 3:59 PM

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no one cares that she does more dmg then other stuff

coral wren Jun 17, 2019, 3:59 PM

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But when it’s namayuu all over the place i wonder what would work the best

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I guess the main problem is to deal with yuki under amagi+nagato buffs

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 4:06 PM

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if ur problem is yukikaze the only counter is aurora

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everything else especially pr ships will miss a lot on her

coral wren Jun 17, 2019, 4:12 PM

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If only she didn't die so fast

wicked rivet Jun 17, 2019, 4:12 PM

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Boiler and bulge

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 4:13 PM

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does anyrting die fast against namayuu? even nagato barrage shouldn't be enough to kill vg easily

elder crane Jun 17, 2019, 4:34 PM

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lead with juneau, aurora 2nd
and yeah, with no retro on hiryuu and no PRs maxed yet (and for offense probably no 2nd, or maybe even first, PR152) namayuu damage output on vanguard is pretty RNG

stark raft Jun 17, 2019, 4:41 PM

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I've seen people pearl on their 120 juns MutsukiStare is she tanky enough rn?

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 4:49 PM

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overheal

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you want to space out the heal

modern tree Jun 17, 2019, 4:49 PM

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people put pearl on juneau because that one CN meta picture had pear on juneau for about every lineup

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: )

stark raft Jun 17, 2019, 4:49 PM

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SmugBucky

modern tree Jun 17, 2019, 4:50 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/516951413411020819/588007180972851200/qpb2ai4eyp331.png

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how to tell people are meta conscious bots 101

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 4:51 PM

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~~well they could fix this issue by giving an overheal mechanic like LOL when a % of the overheal is converted into a shield~~

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 5:01 PM

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Don't give them ideas, how to make things more broken

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 5:14 PM

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pearl on juneau is pretty useful when 1 of your ships is almost dead due to ws kai 10 sec in

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that's how hiryuu survives

buoyant parrot Jun 17, 2019, 5:18 PM

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Is that pvp or pve setup

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 5:19 PM

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should be pvp considering the comps

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but i see no team liquid in it so 🚮

wicked rivet Jun 17, 2019, 5:25 PM

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team liquid?

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 5:26 PM

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u know best ship all in 1 team

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like fdg ws kai amagi/hiryuu/nagato azuma yukikaze juneau

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 5:42 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/352975182065041410/590231277270204418/unknown.png

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someone just posted this in jp general on alec

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 5:44 PM

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AA much?

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 5:44 PM

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still its juneau

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 5:44 PM

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Yeah, but 8 planes killed

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Such weird scores also happened to me

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So it usually was Sodako or Washi with 10+ kills due to planes

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And back in 100 days

wicked rivet Jun 17, 2019, 6:20 PM

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juneau OP

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 7:44 PM

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anyone had any problems with the app restarting after logging out from options?

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 8:04 PM

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no

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Just goes to main login screen

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That might be device issue

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I never use that option anyway, just close up and restart.

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 8:07 PM

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and u play pvp right MutsukiStare

sour oasis Jun 17, 2019, 8:08 PM

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I'm going to assume when I get only +6 for beathing the leftmost pvp, its a game error?

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 8:09 PM

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ui bug. just wait to tap ur screen

sour oasis Jun 17, 2019, 8:09 PM

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I did wait. I left it there for 30 seconds. I forgot my original score so I might have gotten +10

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 8:10 PM

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it still is an ui bug. i got once 0 without even tapping

sour oasis Jun 17, 2019, 8:10 PM

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MutsukiStare

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SadFace

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 8:10 PM

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just waiting for results and it never moved from 0

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 8:10 PM

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yessss, finally got my washing machine

sour oasis Jun 17, 2019, 8:10 PM

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Washing?

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 8:11 PM

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so should i do washer/beaver or washer/bulge on saint louis

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Thinkpitz

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no i mean high performance hydraulic steering gear

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aka washing machine

sour oasis Jun 17, 2019, 8:11 PM

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Researched aux thing?

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 8:11 PM

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because dear god that's too long to type

trim horizon Jun 17, 2019, 8:12 PM

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it's the rudder

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 8:12 PM

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hphsg

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 8:12 PM

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yeah that

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xD

sour oasis Jun 17, 2019, 8:12 PM

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I feel terrible for not understanding researched items. That is, am I not researching enough or am I researching the wrong thing?

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 8:13 PM

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there goes a ton of aux plates

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worth it

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 8:14 PM

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as long as u dont do cube research u should be fine for equips

sour oasis Jun 17, 2019, 8:14 PM

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So the rudder is just "randomly rewarded" you can't aim for it?

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 8:14 PM

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yes

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 8:14 PM

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pr is all about dat random gacha

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put money in

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get a loot box out

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 8:14 PM

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u can only do gun specific ones iirc

sour oasis Jun 17, 2019, 8:14 PM

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Aaah. Rnggggg Omegalilwoo

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 8:15 PM

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some of them reward specific gear bps

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but cost like

sour oasis Jun 17, 2019, 8:15 PM

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PortDoll

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 8:15 PM

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45 bps of its related item

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(purple tier)

sour oasis Jun 17, 2019, 8:15 PM

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Yeah. I don't have enough aux plates for that.

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 8:16 PM

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ah nothing like sanrui having 197 evade for 40 seconds

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(at 115 no oath)

trim horizon Jun 17, 2019, 8:16 PM

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I've done Roongun,Sanrui gun, washmachine, staag and now I need 3 for nepgun Omegalilwoo

sour oasis Jun 17, 2019, 8:16 PM

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This would explain why PvP top1000 has suddenly gotten super hard.

sharp wing Jun 17, 2019, 8:17 PM

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That's due to lvl diff

true crane Jun 17, 2019, 8:31 PM

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Once essex comes out on EN will enty/essex/sodak be a viable fleet? i wanted to use enty and essex together but i was told they would get 1 shot, and sodak may help with that

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 8:33 PM

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they would only be one shoot in jp/cn from warspite kai

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 8:34 PM

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SD is not relevant w/o wash and essex is just good vs foxes

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 8:34 PM

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in en it might be viable to a degree especially against ijn comps

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 8:34 PM

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aisde from foxes she just whatever

true crane Jun 17, 2019, 8:35 PM

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i guess i could always just battle people that dont use WS kai

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 8:35 PM

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ws only matters 10 sec in then she's just a bb with too much fp

modern tree Jun 17, 2019, 8:35 PM

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just run Essex E Cent like a normal person

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dead boats cant kill you

true crane Jun 17, 2019, 8:36 PM

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fair enough

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you make a compelling arguement

modern tree Jun 17, 2019, 8:36 PM

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if you cant win with Essex E Centaur, then you wont win with Essex

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it's about that simple

true crane Jun 17, 2019, 8:36 PM

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i really dont care who the third ship is

wicked rivet Jun 17, 2019, 8:37 PM

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hiryuu can kill you after she dies tho

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you kill her and she kills you harder

modern tree Jun 17, 2019, 8:38 PM

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Hiryuu doesnt do anything if you didnt sink your vg

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Essex E Centaur can afford to run Srs Aurora Juneau

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and you can probably just win in like 2 strikes

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 8:39 PM

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just use helena + enty + all random tbh

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enty + helena RNG alone is enough to wipe most comp

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 8:39 PM

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doesn't apply to ws kai meta since any of those would just melt to ws barrage + any bb shells

true crane Jun 17, 2019, 8:40 PM

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like i said though i could just fight people who dont use ws

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i get to choose who i attack after all

stone grove Jun 17, 2019, 8:41 PM

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Until you get RNGed into all teams with WS Kai

true crane Jun 17, 2019, 8:41 PM

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seems unlikely

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and i can always reroll

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 8:41 PM

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very unlikely

stone grove Jun 17, 2019, 8:41 PM

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I've been RNGed into all Nakaga and/or Namaryuu because people trying to be meta so depending on what EN commanders do WarShrug

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 8:42 PM

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on high rank all WS kai is possible

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highly possible i might add

modern tree Jun 17, 2019, 8:42 PM

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warspite kai will never be popular on en

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 8:42 PM

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on low rank you can get away with some ppl not using WS kai

modern tree Jun 17, 2019, 8:42 PM

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because everyone will just cling to the namagi they worked so hard and so slowly to level to 120

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 8:43 PM

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well there's that i suppose

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 8:43 PM

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SandyMeme

modern tree Jun 17, 2019, 8:43 PM

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warspite will legit never be popular on en

true crane Jun 17, 2019, 8:43 PM

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do you think we will get ws kai before essex?

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 8:43 PM

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dunno about jb in pvp... that dmg is so meh for a bb

📎 BlueStacks_ScreenShot.jpg

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 8:43 PM

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since WS is not really what i call a pve friendly ship

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nope

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if anything we going to get sandy before ws

stone grove Jun 17, 2019, 8:43 PM

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I find Nakaga gets fucked fast if you kill one of the foxes tbh

true crane Jun 17, 2019, 8:44 PM

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i have a warspite i want to use

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 8:44 PM

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you can just lvl her before her kai

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then just kai her and ready to use

true crane Jun 17, 2019, 8:44 PM

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thats the plan

stone grove Jun 17, 2019, 8:45 PM

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I have my Warspite 110 and prolly able to uncap straight to 114 thanks to Monarch EntyLUL

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 8:45 PM

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going to 120 sanrui + roon next

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monarch is not on my priority list

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i don't use hms

stone grove Jun 17, 2019, 8:46 PM

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I'm working on Bismarck and Montpelier rn tbh
I don't really run nation fleets in PvE

true crane Jun 17, 2019, 8:47 PM

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i use mostly usn ships but thats mostly just because i like them

vague token Jun 17, 2019, 8:49 PM

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o.O

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 8:50 PM

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if u have cubes to waste why not

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📎 BlueStacks_ScreenShot.jpg

true crane Jun 17, 2019, 8:51 PM

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today in pvp i went againt someone with saint louis roon monarch and ibuki

modern tree Jun 17, 2019, 8:51 PM

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thats like 40-50 more bps than what I have and I am not stingy on cubes

stone grove Jun 17, 2019, 8:51 PM

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Mine is dev24 UniSip not that high compared to others but

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 8:52 PM

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they can have all PR at dev 30 and i still wouldn't care tbh

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they are good

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but not game breaking

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you can still win vs them

stone grove Jun 17, 2019, 8:52 PM

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📎 Screenshot_20190617-135204.png

modern tree Jun 17, 2019, 8:53 PM

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dunno, I am also not a neet so its hard for me to judge how much better I'd be doing if I have done them efficent way and not a way that kinda sorta works with my schedule

📎 unknown.png

stone grove Jun 17, 2019, 8:53 PM

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Yeah, it's possible to kill any defence fleet people make, only difference if a what you can/can't use EmileSip

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 8:54 PM

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same

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i rather focus on gear than PR

modern tree Jun 17, 2019, 8:54 PM

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I mean, I'd not say you are ahead

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 8:54 PM

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gear is the bulk of your dmg

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not dev 30

modern tree Jun 17, 2019, 8:55 PM

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I do cubes cuz they are fast and reroll my shitty lists

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I have 200 cubes and I do noty pressure myself to have all the ships so w/e

stone grove Jun 17, 2019, 8:56 PM

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Yeah I try to use cubes as little as I can

modern tree Jun 17, 2019, 8:56 PM

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I feel that if being stingy cripples my ability to play the game then game is not worth playing

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I have only 4 mails saved up because I wanted oil to play

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 8:57 PM

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caring what other ppl on the internet do

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pro tip: don't

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 8:58 PM

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1st actual comp i meet

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too bad torp vg

modern tree Jun 17, 2019, 8:59 PM

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as far as torp memes go, this one is probably the best

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 8:59 PM

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no ibuki tho

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ibuki is better

zenith tundra Jun 17, 2019, 9:00 PM

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since i'm using this i'm curious about results

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true crane Jun 17, 2019, 9:00 PM

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let me know how it goes

modern tree Jun 17, 2019, 9:00 PM

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I would not say so. You sack second wave of torps that is more or less guaranteed thanks to smoke

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for +1 opening torp

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thats like

true crane Jun 17, 2019, 9:00 PM

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thats a fleet id use

modern tree Jun 17, 2019, 9:00 PM

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super w/e

finite valve Jun 17, 2019, 9:00 PM

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so does belfast not vs foxes tho?

true crane Jun 17, 2019, 9:00 PM

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i really like belfast vs foxes

modern tree Jun 17, 2019, 9:01 PM

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if you ignore that belfasts smoke times with both Nagato and Amagi guns

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then yeah, belfast is shit

true crane Jun 17, 2019, 9:01 PM

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@zenith tundra can you let me know how that fleet does?