pvp

[coral wren]

fug 😄

third time this season i see sendai, so weird

[vague token]

weird

because i see 0 CAs still

so what's the point

lol

[coral wren]

yeah, it will take ages for ppl to boost louis up to dev 30

[vague token]

im at dev 26

it doesnt feel so far

[odd schooner]

Since when wtf

[vague token]

i can see the top of the mountain

i think i need like 120 more bps

id look it up but eh

[wicked rivet]

I need

18 for ibuki dev25

and then its another 120 for 30

[odd schooner]

Why is chat tab available on pvp now

[wicked rivet]

idk but I hate it

it blocks the enemy top's health

[coral wren]

Again me and my 4 sandbagging bois, hanging around to see who snaps first

[sharp wing]

It' s been like that since new ui

You can hide it anyway

It works same, as main screen

[coral wren]

They should remove popping up splash art in pvp, i can't see a fucking shit and have to pause every time to not lose a game

[sharp wing]

just rush and make them happy

splash art?

[coral wren]

no, screw them

Yeah, when boat triggers it's barrage

Hood monarch qe are popping off every time

[sharp wing]

ah

You mean character skill image

idk, they are pretty small

[coral wren]

Yeah, exactly. I thought they would add that feature in new ui, but nah

[sharp wing]

never bothered me

maybe on smaller resolutions they don't scale down much

[coral wren]

Dunno, but on both nox and ipad it's just gigantic

For me at least

[sharp wing]

You mean when camera goes to main fleet?

Or just pop up images

[coral wren]

pop up images

[sharp wing]

This one

[coral wren]

Ye

[sharp wing]

ah

Well

[coral wren]

When everyone shoots

[sharp wing]

Cannot do anything about those

They could disable those, but again, game time slows down during those, so it kinda part of game mechanics

And potato devs w/ their spaghetti code

[coral wren]

[sharp wing]

Tho i don't see much problem there, aside from making battle longer

Why would it make you pause game, if it already slows down time like 10x

[ionic magnet]

i think he's talking about pvp

[sharp wing]

pvp or pve same thing

same autobattle

[ionic magnet]

it doesnt slwo down on pvp

[coral wren]

Ye, it bothers me in pvp only

[ionic magnet]

thats the point

[sharp wing]

Well, never seen an issue in it

[coral wren]

It hides hp bars and when there is a shitstorm happening who knows what is happening

[ionic magnet]

yea can get annoying sometimes

[sharp wing]

Yr HMS sinks, that's what happening

[coral wren]

[sharp wing]

[wicked rivet]

[sharp wing]

You don't say

[ionic magnet]

its hard reading a convo where two guys are not on the same page

[sharp wing]

I'm trying to abduct here

[ionic magnet]

[cerulean estuary]

hooloovoo i need ur points rawrrr

[wicked rivet]

rawr xd

[ionic magnet]

30 mins before reset np

[sharp wing]

ragulpgulp

[ionic magnet]

[cerulean estuary]

i thought 30 mins after reset

[sharp wing]

[ionic magnet]

you know how we sandbaggers roll

[sharp wing]

roll in salt?

[cerulean estuary]

we all know SANDBAGS and EYEBAGS are synonymous on PVP

[sharp wing]

where are my glasses

[midnight heron]

im not sandbagging i just cant progress cuz +9

[sharp wing]

[coral wren]

meh, another +0

[zenith tundra]

not even 100 affection ws kai...

30k+ dmg every match i used her

[finite valve]

what lvl is azuma?

that 52 dmg seem OP

[zenith tundra]

25

[finite valve]

LMFAO

[zenith tundra]

with that team i beat full 120 hms team with no problems

[mild spruce]

does HMS or Nagato and co win in 1v1

[finite valve]

hms who?

hms is a faction not a ship

[vague token]

i think they meant ijn cause And Co

[finite valve]

still dk what he is asking

since he said 1 v 1

[zenith tundra]

@mild spruce can u pls rephrase so we can understand the question?

[wicked rivet]

Amagi usually wins in a 1v1

[mild spruce]

Overall is HMS or Nagato better for PvP

Is the question I’m getting to I guess

[zenith tundra]

i don't think one is better or worse. hms is more accessible but require pr ships while ijn ships are event locked. if u have nagato and amagi it's easier to just max it and have no problems

[shy hazel]

hms requires less events and more grind

ijn requires more events

[zenith tundra]

u cannot really grind pr ships

at least the bps part which is the important part

azuma costs 11 oil at lvl 27... so dumb

starting to wonder if it's worth using her without mvp

[shy hazel]

ofc not

[finite valve]

just sec + put her in dorm lel

wait till 90 aff then farm her

[abstract cypress]

some ppl have much free time
and doing dumb things

kappa

[vague token]

lol

[mild spruce]

😂

[zenith tundra]

at least i can use yuubari for extra xp

still need to max her skill

[finite valve]

still going to be a waste of oil tbh lel

[zenith tundra]

it will be for sure

[abstract cypress]

i waste more on 1.2k commies than shortes

sometimes need to throw it to dorm

inb4 ppl already 120s when im struggling to 110

[vague token]

i mean

the majority of people will 120 their pve boats

especially rushers xD

[abstract cypress]

im still at w10

trying to clear hard

[vague token]

xD

[abstract cypress]

then event comming

[zenith tundra]

use event to level up ships

[abstract cypress]

ofc

but sadly i can just reach like c3 and event ends

75% of my ship exp comes from dorm and commies

this game really want ppl being nerds

[zenith tundra]

depends on what ur goal is

[abstract cypress]

this is pokemon right? then its obvious

mfw no kool kids border cuz no bisco

[vague token]

=(

[sharp wing]

Next event gonna be easy one sp1-3, like Spee event, so don't worry

And 0 cubes needed

[vague token]

man today has been really slow

=/

[ionic magnet]

nothings worse than a 34 pt gap

[vague token]

oof

im down a match but it'll be easy enough to get muh merits next weekend xD

[ionic magnet]

thank god there's really very few full 120s out there

my backline should be maxed next weekend

[vague token]

ill probably have that by then

i think maybe ykk too

but juneau and saint louis =/

at least everyone is getting xp from pvp xD

oh sara will be 119 when i wake up

from dorm

hmm, is there any reason to do world 8 hard mode

i just do 7-2 for ufos

xD

[ionic magnet]

127s? in 8-1 if you still need

[vague token]

oh ok

i think im good on 127s for now

[ionic magnet]

same

[vague token]

i dont use a lot of 127 boats

cause i cheat and use 100mm on amagi and nagato

xD

[ionic magnet]

[sharp wing]

ch8 HM gives more core anyway

[vague token]

oh it gives more core data?

hmm

[sharp wing]

yes

[vague token]

guess ill swap then

[sharp wing]

the higher the chapter, the more cores

[ionic magnet]

can 100mms kill enemy VGs

[vague token]

yeah, light armor takes full from 100

[ionic magnet]

i see

[vague token]

the difference in deeps is just a bit in favor of 127 i think

the range helps though

but since im not running hiryuu atm i just reset if i full wipe vanguard that early

dont have to worry about it too much atm though cause 120 xD

117 ykk rolls over most of the casuals

[vague token]

as does 114 saint louis

[sharp wing]

[ionic magnet]

👀

[vague token]

who just walks through unleveled enemies

[sharp wing]

Some1 really hates her

[vague token]

oof

[ionic magnet]

LOL

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

trash yet leveled and oathed lol

[sharp wing]

this 3 in 1 fleet

[ionic magnet]

i met someone who named his belfast as "Overrated" also

[sharp wing]

overlewded

[ionic magnet]

no we need more

[vague token]

i prefer sheffield over belfast

she has a gun

sirius comes second

she has a sword

xD

[sharp wing]

Bois, we got champ here

[ionic magnet]

sirius second??? get out of here

[vague token]

oh god 8-1 is that super narrow stage

gross

only 240k xp for amagi to hit 120

[ionic magnet]

i still havent done w8 hard

[vague token]

100 flag battles i guess

[ionic magnet]

too lazy

[vague token]

ive been conserving oil for gold comm

to recover from 120 apocalypse

just been doing nagato/sanrui on 7-2 lol

[ionic magnet]

i needed this 120 uncap tbh

[sharp wing]

Why not nagato vestal sanrui in w12

[ionic magnet]

perfect to max affections

[vague token]

i dont have air radars for that strat

lol

[sharp wing]

[lament lichen]

mfw famine's sanrui is slow

[vague token]

no skill books? xD

[lament lichen]

his sanrui is killing his yuki

idk

[sharp wing]

not skilled?

[lament lichen]

118 oath

[ionic magnet]

like CA slow?

[lament lichen]

yes CA slow

[ionic magnet]

rip

[vague token]

engine boosted should put her a bit faster than belfast lol

[sharp wing]

With her skill maxed, she's as fast, as cl

[lament lichen]

doesnt seem like he is using boilers

[ionic magnet]

yea prolly no boilers

[lament lichen]

legit made his team easy to kill

[vague token]

xD

im only running two boiler

cause aux space is rip

[lament lichen]

i only have 2 boilers but im way faster

unless he isnt using beaver

[vague token]

maybe he forgot to put beaver on someone

[lament lichen]

but fleet power is similar

[vague token]

and he has washing machine

xD

cause id totally forget to do that

[wicked rivet]

belfast fucking sucks

I hate her

but I oathed her

becuase pvp

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

u suck

[vague token]

it must be washing machine and no beaver

[wicked rivet]

i do

[lament lichen]

im 10/10 agaisnt him right now

[wicked rivet]

not as bad as belfast tho

[sharp wing]

Well, this is another +0 reset

sucks

[sharp wing]

[wicked rivet]

Just 4 u

[sharp wing]

[ionic magnet]

got +1 only

[sharp wing]

You just wait till pr2 HE gun

[ionic magnet]

fk that 34 pt gap

[sharp wing]

make Belfast gr8 again

[odd schooner]

@wicked rivet i read the succ part differently but ye

I'll replace mine with sandy if we get the retrofit

2 in 1

[hot creek]

not giving Nepgun to Nep

blasphemy

[steep fog]

not using staag

0/10

[lament lichen]

not using rudder 0/10

[sharp wing]

[zenith tundra]

does she need washing machine on offense tho

[raw osprey]

HE gun is better against Maya/choukai than AP right ❓

[steep fog]

nah

[zenith tundra]

he does less dmg per salvo then ap on medium and heavy. fire might still make it better tho

[steep fog]

for CA run AP

[zenith tundra]

what weapon are we talking about here?

[raw osprey]

guide suggests HE for Port https://gyazo.com/f8aedda455a8b028f4dc7590796e379f

worked for me

[steep fog]

more important thing is to run 100mm aux gun

so u can break the shield

consider running it on monty too

[raw osprey]

monty sucked at 12-4 boss last runs

[steep fog]

wtf

[raw osprey]

maybe cuz shes only 115

[steep fog]

my dmg screen says other wise

[raw osprey]

but portland def better

for me

[steep fog]

I run monty port mog kai

monty did more dmg than port

and shes only 115 while port is 120

[raw osprey]

[steep fog]

but then some of the dmg is prolly from AA

[raw osprey]

12-4 no plane threat so i run lower aa

[steep fog]

so

for 12-4 boss I run hood dork uni portkai monty mogkai

works well enough

on auto

[raw osprey]

i run Dork uni hood port mogami phoenix

auto

oil cost

[steep fog]

phoenix

[raw osprey]

phoenix always does it

[real notch]

@ionic magnet nice hms lol whys it so tanky

[shy hazel]

youre fighting hooloo rn?

[ionic magnet]

wait what

what are you using?

hows kgv in def

[modern tree]

req appearing out of nowhere to complain about hms fills my heart with joy

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

[coral wren]

Damn, only now i noticed kgv has a gambling barrage as well, and not a guaranteed one every 24 secs

lul

[elder crane]

Yeah
24 s load time and a not-very-powerful barrage means she really should've been 100% imo

[coral wren]

i wonder why china rated her so high. Because of her fp numbers when buffed with qe?

But then again, 1 bullet out of 4 almost always will miss the target..

Unless vg moves towards red circles ofc

[modern tree]

china rated her high?

[coral wren]

t1

Well, according to recent list, she is equal with hood iirc

[modern tree]

thats a defualt rating for every barrage ship in the universe

unless you are Penny I guess

[coral wren]

Oh, then it explains why they rated mary colorado and wv so high as well

[modern tree]

In the end, kgv is just a pile of defensive stats with a barrage and thats all it really matters for your flagship

[coral wren]

Hm, jp gets iris rerun

While we have nothing

[sharp wing]

But hey, we get useless CV

You asked for HMS CV right?

[modern tree]

its Glorious

[sharp wing]

yes

That's what i'm talking about

[ionic magnet]

kgv is the best hms backliner rn

you heard it here first

will take a while for me to max out all the other hms BBs to test but thats where im leaning rn

[modern tree]

what's your lineup if you dont have other HMS bbs

[ionic magnet]

using kgv hood doy rn

[steep fog]

just run gascan

[ionic magnet]

qe ws are still 113/114 so cant test

[steep fog]

best mobbing BB ever

[modern tree]

that sounds like the least amount of fun you can have with pvp tbh

unless you are also running like Aurora, then maybe it's sort of bearable?

[ionic magnet]

hood and doy are replaceable but this comp worked well last season before uncap

yea i used aurora against the maxed namaryuus

she feels better than belfast tbh

cos ykkz is the problem most of the time

[modern tree]

I mean, I am not gonna jerk myself off much but I know a thing or two about HMS and this comp is only ever working with Aurora due to shelling mechanics. You either kill the VG and have a chance to win this way or run stalling, never do any damage and fucking sink

I was actually thinking that running Belfast Aurora Jintsuu with oxytorps might actually be """"best"""" HMS vg before Monarch is dev 30

just cuz erasing the VG and torping backline is probably actually just straight better than trying to out rng Amagi

[ionic magnet]

yea exactly. but problem with aurora is she sinks too early vs nakagas so i just went back to using belfast for general use

hmm thats interesting

[modern tree]

not really sure how well that would do vs foxes, but you should survive first strike and just Nagato/Amagi wont kill whats left of your VG with aux guns

so they will continue tanking bombs while your BBs have clean shelling

dunno, its a theory I cant test because I have abandoned torp memes very long time ago

[ionic magnet]

i can see it working cos BBs are really tanky at 120 but then again CVs can be a pain so not sure either

maybe jintsuu aurora juneau/ykkz for a more balanced comp?

[modern tree]

All I know is that I do not really have access to full Aggro VG which means I am stuck with either Gambling on dev25 Monarch barrages or play Warspite. Both work to a degree, but I am also grossly overleveled atm

[ionic magnet]

i gotta level those first tho

[modern tree]

I don't think I have sank anyone with more than one lvl 120 boat yet

[coral wren]

I've met 120 amagi and nagato. Had to bruteforce with sheff through their vang to take them down because double 70%

[elder crane]

well once you have PR 152s that should help somewhat

since those things chew up the enemy VG on offense a surprising amount

[ionic magnet]

is that the nepgun?

[elder crane]

I didn't think they'd make quite that much of a diff, but the flag is firing secs like half the time now and hitting a good amount of them

yeah, the nepgun

[ionic magnet]

oh i need to try that

[elder crane]

3 more targeting range, more importantly 15(!) more projectile range than other CL aux, so none of that silly shite with the projectiles fizzling out

flag gets the most out of it but side ships still get a good bonus

I'd say now for sure you can get flag to do a few k of vanguard damage, and probably at least 2k even on side main

[modern tree]

its the best option until we get 152mm dual purpose, which is never

[ionic magnet]

its hitting for 200ish dmg

[modern tree]

BBs have high efficency and 3 mounts, yes

[coral wren]

At what dev lvl is neptune usable?

[modern tree]

25 she gets all her tanking

[coral wren]

Well, that sucks

[modern tree]

30 she gets the rest of her damage

I am using dev18 nep in w12 as solo frontline just fine btw

she just doesnt fit into pvp before dev25 cuz missing a toolbox worth of hp is kinda a lot

[ionic magnet]

yea 3rd gun mount is pretty big deal considering she fires atleast 3 salvos per fight. w/o that, she basically fires 1 less salvo per fight

[modern tree]

without gun mont, monarch is actyually just gambling with her barrage

if you dont get them, shes a wasted slot

[shy hazel]

i should start fielding my 120 ships

but i wan to brag about all prs still

but wtv

gotta make it harder for anyone else

[coral wren]

I guess it's time to start wasting cubes on blue small researches

[shy hazel]

sumire is almost full lvl120 team

while i only got amanaga 120

while others 113 ave

but i guess

frontline lvls dont matter much

cos i still destroyed vg first

last time i fought hooloo vs hms

only two of my vg died

hms isnt much of a defense

[modern tree]

person that has all the pr ships being impressed by grinding

[buoyant parrot]

would appreciate if you guys start moving now

[shy hazel]

grinding pvp vg is harder than pr

like jun

[modern tree]

juneau reks w12, dont know what you mean

[shy hazel]

what

u spend tons of oil there

[modern tree]

I do?

[shy hazel]

on non mvp clears

[buoyant parrot]

oh someone already fixed names of Ship in equipment tab

[modern tree]

I though I am farming Hiyou and leveling Juneau as my solo frontliner is a bonus

its not like shes super expensive, being blue and all

[shy hazel]

doesnt rly matter for me long term

i can grind anything to 120 in 7~2

[sharp obsidian]

So the French Ships are coming by the end of the month

Will we see a shakeup? Maybe Jean Bart with her deadly RNG first salvo? 😄

[lunar veldt]

no

[buoyant parrot]

she doesn't much impact PvP

[lunar veldt]

outside of pve

she sucks

[modern tree]

french event is only for a DD gun

[sharp obsidian]

Ah.... Alright! Thanks. So it seems like we are still going to be ruled by Nagato and friends 😄

[shy hazel]

dd gun affects pvp

[modern tree]

if you hate that then you might as well quit when you are ahead

because Nagato with Amagi are really not going anywhere, ever again

[shy hazel]

pr2 made nagato gr8 again

[buoyant parrot]

UNLESS~ we got some new Retro for existing SSR

[shy hazel]

amagi is gr8 since day 1

[sharp obsidian]

We don't have PR2 yet though

What do you mean? 😮

[shy hazel]

matter of time

[shell heron]

You mean that new BB gun that is good for both nagato's FP and barrage?

[coral wren]

Having uss or hms new falgship that gives you a 20% dmg bonus vs ijn would be neat

For all your ships

[buoyant parrot]

I'm still waiting for the day that AL will destroy the meta tiering with stupid ships that you no longer care anymore whoever you put in your fleet 😂

[modern tree]

at this point calling Amagi overpowered is sort of wrong. She borders on being a mathematical mistake and thus is sort of removed from any real power curve

[shy hazel]

u mean

more ships like ws kai

[buoyant parrot]

exactly!

😂

[modern tree]

Warspite is obnoxious but also does not hold a candle to what Amagi does in pvp

[shy hazel]

theres ijn cb

for that

[shell heron]

Wasn't hiryuu not relevant until her kai. Then she became op

[buoyant parrot]

we need more broken ships to not care anymore for the future of this so called PvP~ 😂

[shy hazel]

no one is really talking about fdg for pvp even now

[buoyant parrot]

we need like 10x amagi 10x WSKai and 10x FDG

that'll be so much laugh and probably boredom

[modern tree]

FDG is sort of on the same level Amagi is, which is just someone putting in one 0 too many in her stats

[sharp obsidian]

That would actually be nice... I just want the Merit Points 😂

[vague token]

and 10k base hp

xD

[shy hazel]

[buoyant parrot]

the HP alone is stupid

[shy hazel]

u dont need a good pvp team for merits

there is always a weak fleet

just dont sandbag

[steep fog]

gotta get ez gensui for 2500/season

[shy hazel]

u get mtched with casuals

[sharp obsidian]

I still get strong fleets even though I barely sandbag 😂

So I have to field my 120 core fleet

[shy hazel]

no fleet is strong even in top 20

[sharp obsidian]

It is that Hiryuu Namagi that bugs me out

[steep fog]

I see a lot of nagiryuu as def fleet

[sharp obsidian]

Just takes too long, I just want the fight to end 😂

[vague token]

hiryuu wont be as bad as fdg

[steep fog]

and now they are 120

so pita

[vague token]

at least hiryuu only hits like half the health and medium armor

compared to fdg scaling durability boosts

[shy hazel]

no fleet can defend perfectly but namaryuu can harass more

[vague token]

as she takes damage

[shy hazel]

weaklings shall not pass

[sharp obsidian]

I am still using my Nakaga fleets in hopes of getting PvP done and over with as soon as possible

[shy hazel]

and ppl who dont watch their pvp screen

[buoyant parrot]

I like it when you say it like that

[shy hazel]

can get rekt

[buoyant parrot]

weakling shall not pass

[shy hazel]

if their barrages dont proc

nakaga is still an effective ffense

[buoyant parrot]

im so happy to stall this pathetic casuals in #al-general I love it when they complain about PvP

[sharp obsidian]

Yeah, the only one that I have to do an occasional reset is those Hiryuus

[modern tree]

Nakaga probably still works rather well if you dont completely sack your VG for damage

[wicked rivet]

Fuck that fleet

[sharp obsidian]

@buoyant parrot , adding Belfast or SL instead of Jintsuu will help stalling, no?

[shy hazel]

there is the rng factor

on how fast hiryuu skills will proc

[wicked rivet]

On how many amagi barrages you get

Thats the rng

[vague token]

na, more like where does the 230 base damage go

[wicked rivet]

2/3 is usually fine

[buoyant parrot]

@sharp obsidian well its okay as well, I'm planning to leave jintsu there since I'm going to replace her with my Saint Louis soon... Mine is at 113 right now sooo soon™

[shy hazel]

nevertheless

[wicked rivet]

And then other backline shells too

[shy hazel]

if enemy namagi procs brrage

and ur vg dont catch it

u might as well reset

on nkaga

[sharp obsidian]

I used my Universal BP for SL, she's at 197. It takes so long to get these!!

[wicked rivet]

My vg can usually win and that also helps a lot

[sharp obsidian]

Why does it have to be 343 anyway 😦

[wicked rivet]

So overall

Hiryuu fleets suck

But beatable

[shy hazel]

its 500+

[vague token]

fate sim

[shy hazel]

with fate sim for luck stts

[vague token]

=/

[wicked rivet]

343 and then another 150

[shy hazel]

[wicked rivet]

For the 15 luck and extra improvement

[sharp obsidian]

Wait what?! 😮

There's another 150?!

[shy hazel]

15 luck is big for me

[wicked rivet]

Yes

[modern tree]

Fate sim is sort of important for Louis in pvp tbh

[shy hazel]

esp for vg

[modern tree]

even disregarding luck

[vague token]

10 more seconds of 35% more evade is handy

[wicked rivet]

15 luck is okay but the final improvement is even better

Ye

[sharp obsidian]

Is that in the game now too? 😮

[modern tree]

yes

it was in the game on PR release

[wicked rivet]

^

But nobody has it yet so

[sharp obsidian]

Oh man, I was so focused on a 343 target and now it is 513 😂

RIP lol

[modern tree]

PR is meant to be a relly long term goal and treating it as anything else is rather foolish

[wicked rivet]

^

[sharp obsidian]

Yeah, but kinda want just 1 ship finished at least 😂

[buoyant parrot]

yeah just let it be a side thing. Don't focus on it

[sharp obsidian]

AL has always been a marathon

Like my Sub Fleet, so far, I'm only on 2 Golden Torps

[buoyant parrot]

don't miss on research but yeah just don't put your overall effort into it

[sharp obsidian]

Do you guys ever do the cubes Research one?

[buoyant parrot]

NO

I hate that shit...

[sharp obsidian]

Someone told me those give the most BPs

[buoyant parrot]

coobs are far more important to me than use it on Research

[sharp obsidian]

But I can't reconcile sacrificing cubes

[shell heron]

If you can afford to whale, I heard those give the most bps per hour

But cubes

[modern tree]

I think the most effective ones are 8h focused Donation, the one that takes pile of gold and purple plates and the cube ones, if you care about progressing the PR fast

[coral wren]

blue ones, yeah

[buoyant parrot]

save coobs all the time... You don't know when will AL release a broken ship like Amagi etc... so always be prepared

[sharp obsidian]

Is there a chance we will get the French Rerun version instead?

Who knows if an interesting PvP ship comes up from the rerun version

[ionic magnet]

there's always a chance cos its EN

[shell heron]

Very unlikely. Even winter's crown we got the rerun because they were pressured into doing it

[sharp obsidian]

Nep? The 115s one?

[buoyant parrot]

I just wish AL could release more ships that shoots out LASER! like the one in the collab

[shy hazel]

pr is just a poorly design stopgap for players to waste time

[sharp obsidian]

Oh, that Nep 😂

[shy hazel]

so they wont quit

[buoyant parrot]

I like laser pew pew

[modern tree]

every time someone brings up winters crown I get reminded of the stupid letter and how little it meant

[shy hazel]

glorious

gloriously useless

[shell heron]

To be fair. VDiR was one of the first events we had

[sharp obsidian]

I actually like this break. L120 Awakening ate up all my gold 😂

😮

[buoyant parrot]

I have a 120 WS

[sharp obsidian]

I awakened my PvP Fleet + a bunch of others but still have over 5k chips remaining 😮

[buoyant parrot]

120 Sandy

[shell heron]

I don't have that kind of gold so I'm living in 7-2 for a while.

[sharp obsidian]

But yeah, still on the gold rebuilding stage

[buoyant parrot]

plus PvP and of course the needed support ships in EX maps like Unicorn and Hiryuu and the money grabbing Akashi

oh yeah and Ayanami

mine is 116

same my Belfast is 111 I think

so much Chips and Gold gone

[shell heron]

Man, I still have minne, ayanami, laffey, Washington, and unicorn to awaken to 120

[buoyant parrot]

I even have to result in getting the one in the coreshop which "NEVER DO THAT" thing

[shell heron]

And hood

[buoyant parrot]

im so poor right now... I feel like 1 day old player

well I can't maximize research now

coz lack of gold

[shell heron]

Basic research is nice now. Its free so more gold towards 120

[modern tree]

just do more cube researches for chips

[buoyant parrot]

kotowaru lol

[analog hare]

Everyone is lacking gold since research come

[primal wing]

Yeah, not going to lie I actually spent gems the other day because I was out when a nice research popped up.

[stark raft]

I have opened and scrapped 2100 purple boxes out of desperation

if you scrap 40 purple gear every time its like 400+ gold

[modern tree]

I went through my purple boxes not out of desperation but because I was saving them for money

[stark raft]

2100 boxes is around 20k gold it's worth the time

2 30 min research ate my shekels

The money sink for PR gacha is so annoying

[primal wing]

Between that and upgrading ships to 120, it's just nuts.

[stark raft]

24/25 for the fireworks gun

just kill me

[coral wren]

out of oil already

[stark raft]

I'm out of both oil and coins, prolly also used around 300+ cubes for research as well

and still need 80+ bp for monarch

Fucking gacha

[sharp wing]

I need 280 for Monarch

I read Glorious CV name... I think she's cursed to be Sh....

[vague token]

you can do it!

[sharp wing]

I wouldn't get dev 25 even if converted all bps

[vague token]

=(

[sharp wing]

O'n still on 5.2k chips

Yeah, I 3* 1st 3 w8 HM maps already

free chips

[modern tree]

I love when my Hood barrages and hits 0 shells on Amagi

[vague token]

xD

[modern tree]

thats my shit

[steep fog]

amagi skill OP

[vague token]

i mean her evasion buff is the equivalent of 100 luck

xD

yeah

on the entire backline

300 free stats

and mini extinguisher xD

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

Make few baby steps

And it will become a big leap

[stark raft]

How'd you burn through your chips

I need to be uncapping more then

[sharp wing]

Doomed.

[modern tree]

cintiq and phoenix are both easiest rerolls of your life

[sharp wing]

It's not sandbag, it's sandwall

That's my another +0

Another sandbagger at 5/10...

Doomed.

[coral wren]

lel

Damn, alex is offline, could have a good +2 from him 😦

[hot creek]

i lost one

earlier today

it was a 1v1 between monarch and nagato and I lost because missing an MGM

normally I would have just reset but I was kind of in a rush to get somewhere

so

[sharp wing]

[hot creek]

if im still on your list, ill do some matches if you want

[sharp wing]

Nah, that was before reset

[coral wren]

+2 this reset so far

[finite valve]

french gun hype?

[modern tree]

its for cn/jp

[sharp wing]

Well, we have 1 week till Glorious event stages, which will last 1-2 weeks. Then maybe a week Hiatus. Then they need to cram Centaur minievent somewhere before anniversary activities. For Iris libre i actually think, we can expected times around original cn/jp

Sounds legit

RIP cubes tho

Then we might get some global activities on Japanese anniversary in mid september too

[finite valve]

they can just cram centaur in the middle of iris like with loli + kizuna

also don't we usually have sync rerun with JP and CN tho?

like WC when they have rerun when we "suppose" to have original but they give us rerun anyway?

the only exception off the top of my head is cranes + chess board

[sharp wing]

That was 1 exception

Due to their fck up

We run original version events 1st

[modern tree]

tell that to Wash that got FW rerun as their very first event

[sharp wing]

That's wash...

But EN had FV original 1st

[modern tree]

did we?

[sharp wing]

all servers inside EN are synced tho

nvm, FV original run only existed on CN

even JP got same version as we 1st run

It was global event on all versions

like CN anniversary event

So that's 2nd exception

[finite valve]

i never said we are getting rerun version

all i am saying is we going to get sync original event of their rerun

[sharp wing]

maybe

But i doubt we will time it

[coral wren]

In other words, nothing interesting is happening during june and july

[sharp wing]

We should get something in end July

Tho Iris Libre only big event left

And accounting anniv mid August

[hazy rain]

how big of a point difference is needed for +2?

is 32 enough for a +1?

[lament lichen]

35 for +1

[finite valve]

2 choukai on 2 day of farming

going to LMFAO if i have 7 choukai by day 7 of farming 12-4

lel

[vague token]

hmm, too bad QE doesnt buff ASW

xD

[wicked rivet]

full idol fleet

[abstract cypress]

mfw put june on front > didnt ded
mid > didnt ded
back > nope
jesus

[wicked rivet]

invinible juneau

[sharp wing]

Your sins are so dreadful, she refuse to die for them.

I think i missed 2 tix

[wicked rivet]

F

[sharp wing]

[trim horizon]

[odd schooner]

Rage mode

[finite valve]

when jesus have enough of your shit and refuse to die for your sins

true story

[vague token]

i think i missed another match

but i was busy today so

also juneau destruction mode when

;)

[sharp wing]

Inb4 Juneau retro w/ Zombie skill

[vague token]

eh, more likely she'd get some weird final counter skill

but no invuln

xD

shoot sharks at the enemies

[finite valve]

it would be funny if her kai skill is the opposite of her heal skill

like a debuff or DOT while she alive

[vague token]

yostar balance

xD

[sharp wing]

Or better, Heals her for 30% Hp, when another ship sinks

[vague token]

we have a ship that does that

[sharp wing]

Yeah

[finite valve]

or just give a buff to other ship when she die like dmg reduction

[vague token]

60% activation chance though

[finite valve]

8s -10 to -20% dmg reduction don't sound so bad

[sharp wing]

That skill is pretty meh tho

I forgot sakura had another DD buffer, 8th DD Div

They are like cockroaches

[finite valve]

not YKK lvl of luck

useless

[vague token]

yeah rescue is pretty bad

even if it was 100%

it's bad

[finite valve]

unless that skill was on an OP ship

which thankfully enough is not???

that skill is good for anchor ship

on useless ship it become meh

[vague token]

the problem is the self heal is super bad because it's on a dd without a tank skill

[finite valve]

for example what would you think going to happen if you give bunny that skill?

immortal

well yes like i said if the skill was on a USELESS ship

[vague token]

i mean, it's still pretty meh cause the most health one person gets

that isnt self

[finite valve]

put that skill on hiryuu and you got a GOD

[vague token]

is 12%

[finite valve]

HP is still HP no matter how much it is

especially in PVP with inflated HP

[vague token]

yeah but 1 target 12% is pretty meh since you cant easily control who gets it

[waxen crater]

Is swiftsure going to become a prominent pvp ship for HMS?

[vague token]

unlikely

she's an aa cruiser

[finite valve]

shit skill

[vague token]

from her skills

[finite valve]

also AA is a meme in pvp

the amount of planes is too fucking high

especially vs foxes

[waxen crater]

She seems decent

[vague token]

they're also tankier anyways

[finite valve]

you can't shoot down shit

and when they only use 1 CV

AA become useless

[vague token]

the only way AA will become important

is if we get those tanky helicopters

[waxen crater]

And the new japan awakening list has her on the same tier as jinstuu

[vague token]

that do constant dps

that the sirens have

because those things soak aa for a while and just keep shooting

[sharp wing]

Get sober

[finite valve]

w12 and w13 relevant

[vague token]

no, i drink

[finite valve]

not pvp relevant at all

[waxen crater]

Oh

Well god dammit

I got my hopes up

I guess my Saint/Nep/Juneau vanguard shall still see the light of day

[vague token]

vanguard wont change until azuma

because ijn master fleet

[finite valve]

2 FAT ships in pvp

[waxen crater]

I don’t have IJN and I shall fight then until the end

[finite valve]

count me in

[waxen crater]

Honestly tho KGV could become my QE replacement

[vague token]

once i see more CAs imma just swap to AP guns xD

[waxen crater]

Fight me like a real man

[vague token]

[finite valve]

real man who use ship GIRL to fight his battle?

k....

[sharp wing]

Swiftsure actually not half bad

[vague token]

i mean

[sharp wing]

Her statline is top tier

[waxen crater]

^^^^^

See? See? I’m not crazy

[vague token]

xD

[finite valve]

problem is her skill are useless

[sharp wing]

And her skills good, unless there are CAs

[waxen crater]

Her skills aren’t useless what

[sharp wing]

"10% chance to reduce evasion rate for enemies hit by own main gun by 4.0% (10.0%) for 6 seconds. "

[vague token]

lol 10% chance

[sharp wing]

That's not half shit

[vague token]

that's only good

IF

she gets DD guns

like sirius

if not that skill will be trash

[sharp wing]

She has secondaries too you know

[vague token]

MAIN

GUN

sir

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

i wish it applied to all attacks

[waxen crater]

Is she more of a tank?

[vague token]

then black heart would be good

ish

i think the only ship

with a skill that works on all of her attacks

is york

yeah armageddon triggers on ANY attack

[finite valve]

for tanking you can use whatever ship

[sharp wing]

I mean, she better Bel not vs foxes

[vague token]

oh actually wiki needs an update

[finite valve]

foxes in WS meta

yeh right

[vague token]

york's en translation says only main and secondary

[sharp wing]

ws foxes is a thing

[vague token]

not torps

xD

but i guess it isnt important, without york retro she's bad

[sharp wing]

those CA retroes are shit anyway

[vague token]

na york is good

[sharp wing]

mediocre at best

[vague token]

just not t1

[sharp wing]

well

[vague token]

she can buff 40% fp with her secondary

[sharp wing]

what is "good" then

t1-10

[vague token]

xD

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

she has 40% fire reduction

so against fire pve

she should be pretty good

and 15% reduc from HE

still suffers from the glass CA problem all hms CAs have

but she is definitely the best glass cannon

because all guns trigger her firepower buff

and she gets 70% crit rate on aux gun with ignore armor

[sharp wing]

She isn't actually glass cannon, she has med armor

[vague token]

4k hp at 120

[sharp wing]

Suffolk kai is glass cannon

[vague token]

is glass

[sharp wing]

light armor CAs that's who are glass cannons

[vague token]

i mean

4k medium is paper still

but i guess she gets 92 base evade

at 120

so that's cool

[sharp wing]

Compared to any CL

She is stonewall

[vague token]

xD

york is literally the best of the glass design philosophy how about that

she buff

she atac

and she attack harder with Full Firepower but accessible anytime xD

[sharp wing]

I mean, she isn't close to being "glass"

in any department

[vague token]

oh i just consider anything under 5k glass lol

because PR bois

[sharp wing]

WOW

[vague token]

;)))))

[sharp wing]

mogami is only 4.6k btw

apparently glass

[vague token]

i mean, for pvp yeah ;)

ap reduction skill doesnt help

she tanky for pve though

[ionic magnet]

34 pt difference again. ha ha ha

[vague token]

since medium takes more from ap bb

[ionic magnet]

[sharp wing]

AP BB > PVP
Ok

[vague token]

i mean, if she were tanky we'd see her used xD

but roon/saint louis are tank creep

so rip

[sharp wing]

i mean, we would see prinz by yr logic

[vague token]

prinz doesnt have the evade louis does, nor the speeeeed

[sharp wing]

Same as Roon

[vague token]

roon has 100% shield chance, with fate sim she spawns with them

which covers her uptime issue

as well as a bit of damage pressure

[sharp wing]

That's not even a joke

[odd schooner]

Can't shield torps

[sharp wing]

those shields will be popped by secondaries in few secs

[vague token]

i mean, if it's saint louis vs roon you can block those he rounds

for your squishy juneau

[odd schooner]

Oh ye

[vague token]

or help negate some more damage for ykk

like i wouldnt do it without biscuit for damage but there is a reason to use roon over prinz

which is spawn with shield

also you get 4 shields which covers more area

[sharp wing]

Shields is not any reason for that, lol

[finite valve]

in theory how much time does it take for roon to ramp up half way or to max anyway?

[vague token]

depends on if you use roon gun

[finite valve]

depend on the time might worth it vs stall comp

[vague token]

roon gun is kinda slow

compared to sanrui gun

base damage is higher cause more shots

6 vs 3

[sharp wing]

roon gun has at least 1/3 more raw dps

[vague token]

yeah it should be about that

[finite valve]

well like i said may be vs stall comp you can use roon gun

vs maybe nuke comp switch to san gun

is depend tbh

[vague token]

you still need biscuit to push roon up imo

35% he boost is really good

[sharp wing]

Nothing can push roon up imo

[finite valve]

biscuit too useless as a fs tbh

barrage too weak

[vague token]

dont use biscuit flag

biscuit's a sheller

with a bonus barrage

just dump someone else flag lol

[sharp wing]

Her barrage is so useless, she uses 406

[finite valve]

so WS flag + biscuit side

what's 3 flex?

[vague token]

hiryuu

[finite valve]

monarch or fdg?

[vague token]

fdg probably

[sharp wing]

Boi...

[vague token]

dammit i keep typing bisc into azur lane wiki

[sharp wing]

FdG talks...

[vague token]

xD

[sharp wing]

I feel like it's 2020 already

Chill

[vague token]

you could meme with zepp though

all of biscuit's buffs work

from any position

lose barrage and she becomes a betterish QE

but with Dork's first salvo amp that works the entire match

you could do tirpitz too

xD

[sharp wing]

Crit buff never can be comapred to FP buff tho

[vague token]

uh, 100% crit buff is far superior to FP

[sharp wing]

So calling her better QE is ... questionable

[vague token]

especially once shell shows up

[sharp wing]

I mean fleet buff

[vague token]

well, 20% crit rate should be about 10% damage boost over time

with no shell

16% with shell

[sharp wing]

Her fleet buff is rather week, compared to others. She only properly works w/ Tirp

That comp is just doomed

[vague token]

with shell it's about equivalent

[sharp wing]

And account that at 120 shelling is very RNG sthing

You will miss A LOT of shelling

[vague token]

i mean that's been a problem forever xD

[sharp wing]

Not that much at 110

And totally not at 100

[vague token]

i mean isnt that because you just kill off your vanguard asap at 100 lol

not because the mechanics of shelling are actually good

[sharp wing]

Back to the point, where shell can only really be advantage on WS

[vague token]

but you just remove the mechanic in the first place

im only saying that shell with biscuit's crit buff is about a 15% damage increase, it IS comparable to a firepower buff

i cant solve the game mechanic

xD

[sharp wing]

You compare fleet buff to self buffs...

[vague token]

no the 20% one

[sharp wing]

On herself her FLeet buffs can work good ye

But on fleet...

[vague token]

assuming the base crit rate of 5%

you get .75 + .25 * 1.75

over time that's about +15% compared to unboosted crit rates

eg .95 + .05 * 1.75

1.1875 (biscuit crit) vs 1.0375 (no crit)

it's a solid buff for shelling

they just gotta fix mechanics

(ap rounds prioritize main fleet)

and boom there you go

[sharp wing]

They just miss...

[vague token]

i mean barrages can miss too, just listen to dax about hood

xD

[sharp wing]

Barrage has volume dood

[vague token]

yeah but not all parts of the barrage matter for main fleet damage

[sharp wing]

you have barrage + some shelling

rather than only some shelling

which is totally rng

[vague token]

i mean, that's a problem of mechanics

[sharp wing]

to hit and to not miss

[vague token]

and not a problem of the buff strength

[sharp wing]

that buff for fleet is incomparable

[vague token]

i mean, she buffs carriers twice compared to QE

once with crit, once with hard damage