pvp

[sharp wing]

Also event Bofors droprate for utter trash

I got like 4bps out of 60k

[elder crane]

on the other hand I got like 0 113 bps from all of 7-2 hard
though I'd take that trade any day

[sharp wing]

113 bps was pretty good on my side tho

I got...

[elder crane]

I managed to build one cuda out of my 60k pts

[sharp wing]

well, only 4 guns xD

[elder crane]

"only 4"

[sharp wing]

Well, ye

I needed more

But for pvp enough

[elder crane]

4 bps, or 4 113s out of 7-2 Hard?

[sharp wing]

4 weaps

[modern tree]

I got 1 and a half cuda out of my farm. Reminder that you have 3 chances to get it per map and I farmed nothing else

[elder crane]

I got not enough for even 1 113

[sharp wing]

I farmed d3 for bofors...

[modern tree]

I can buy out event shop twice or smthn

[sharp wing]

Also mo points per time, since i dun play much

[modern tree]

Bodes well for farming mle

[sharp wing]

If Mle has same droprate, i might not farm single

[elder crane]

I've another row of 105s up top ofc

[sharp wing]

that's a lot of bofors

[elder crane]

the boxes lately have been kind for 113s

used to have only 4 iirc, before PRs

lol I have almost enough bps for a 2nd 100mm AA gun

[sharp wing]

x-3 often hardest

in many chapters

[elder crane]

why is my PR print dist so trash

wait the 100mm actually makes sense cause it has the dedicated project, which I ran a lot cause I was low on coin
nvm then

having 37 of the 410 meme gun though, I think I can complain about
does that have higher rate on it or something?

[sharp wing]

I actually have no trash gold ready to craft

My only gold ready to craft is comets

Tho i already crafted Mle, Rudder and AA radar

So idk

[elder crane]

410 AP, both 381, mle, rudder, 100mm, 152 for me so far

[sharp wing]

Oh, i probably crafted twin 381 too

[elder crane]

cause I've had to be a cheap-ass and the good cheap-ass projects are still very good for equip bps (though 0 ship bps)

[shell heron]

same except I'm done with the staag as well

looking at the numbers, the 100mm isn't that bad is it?

[modern tree]

any gold AA gun is good unless you are plannig to run like 3 pom poms

some are just worse for optimisation

[zenith tundra]

this actually autoed 12-3 boss with only yukikaze left alive in vg

[modern tree]

well done

[wicked rivet]

[shell heron]

My hiryuu isn't 120 yet but my Nagato and Amagi sure is

but since we're already putting out our 120s. I'll join in

[wicked rivet]

I need more money

Could probly get nagato to near 120 and dork to 120 but im out of coins

[hot creek]

fighting underleveled nakaga fleets and still losing #justHMSthings

[wicked rivet]

[modern tree]

truly I must be the only person that can make it work

[wicked rivet]

level 120 hms?

probly

*110 I mean

120 now I guess

[odd schooner]

I tried doing wasdLusty 12-4

Almost ran out of time

[wicked rivet]

[odd schooner]

1 minute left my vg started dying one by one too

[coral wren]

My hms works pretty well against nakaga, it's just namagyuu that might give me troubles

[wicked rivet]

okay I beat the fleet

only took 3 resets

once I get 120 dork it should be ezpz

[modern tree]

he doesnt know

[wicked rivet]

he lacks the required information to have knowledge about the specific situation

[hot creek]

using this atm https://puu.sh/DFwhC/c8afb114de.png

[wicked rivet]

are you winning?

[hot creek]

and before you say anything about belfast not being there, my Neptune has no problem living through x3 airstrikes

its just that when you proc 0 barrages and you have to actually eat x3 airstrikes, you backline is dead from touchdown damage

[modern tree]

Clearly you should be running Warspite instead for 100% consistent barrages

[wicked rivet]

^

[hot creek]

but yes I do have a positive rate against underleveled nakaga fleets

[wicked rivet]

or dork for actual damage w/o barrage dependancy

also why is QE in flagship?

[hot creek]

ill 120 warspite next after I get some gold

[modern tree]

I am scrapping my 2k purple boxes for money atm

would not recommend

[sharp wing]

[hot creek]

why would you not put QE as flagship

[wicked rivet]

[modern tree]

barraging nagato is pointless, hood would die to nagato barrage cuz armour modifiers, putting monarch against nagato is just waste of her damage since the buff stays after the loli sinks

[hot creek]

setting Hood as flag is death sentence against Nagato, setting Monarch as flagship is pointless

[wicked rivet]

why would you put both your barrage dependant boats in top and bottom position while the bote that is the least affected by position get the position that benfits barrages the most

[modern tree]

generally, you qe flagship cuz she has nothing better to do

[lunar veldt]

^

never put QE at the side

its a waste

[wicked rivet]

[lunar veldt]

but once yall have WS kai and centaur QE will be obsolete

[modern tree]

hitting like 2 more shells in a barrage as flagship is not worth losing Hood for free or dumping Monarch damage on useless target

[wicked rivet]

QE is already obsolete

[sharp wing]

never shit on QE in here

[modern tree]

Centaur is strictly worse than QE

[wicked rivet]

that timing couldnt have been better

[modern tree]

but you are free to prove me otherwise with superior math of trying to match centaur launch with either of your barrage boat's timing so you can actually have any benefit from running her

over just 15% to all relevant stats + boat

[lunar veldt]

this works perfectly well

[hot creek]

well, in a post WS kai era. Anything works perfectly well

[lunar veldt]

running QE in WS kai era is an overkill

[modern tree]

its not about being adequate, it's about telling people to use an inferior option just because it works, which grinds my gears

I am sure KMS can win games, doesnt mean I'd tell anyone to run it

[lunar veldt]

centaur is not strictly worst than QE imo, she actually does help to clear the frontline

as compared to QE

who just there to buff

and be punching bag

yeah ofc

u can say pre ws kai era

[modern tree]

to summarise what I mean, Centaur has timing issues, Warspite marks targets so your boats are less likely to target VG at all, making her slow worse

[lunar veldt]

u still run QE

[modern tree]

QE is a buff that doesnt never goes away + extra shots on marked targets to clear the backline faster

[lunar veldt]

?

after divine marksman hits followed by monarch'

[wicked rivet]

KMS can definitely win games

unless its against foxes

vs HMS? win every time

[lunar veldt]

its a guarantee kill

to whoever that was marked

by the time the second divine marksman hits which is another side

all it takes is 1 salvo

as centaur would have damaged the backline by then

if ure centaur dies before that then smth must be wrong

[wicked rivet]

just put centaur in flagship

[lunar veldt]

that would be a waste

WS kai has to be flag

to target both sides

[wicked rivet]

yes it was joke

[lunar veldt]

i had better results using centaur over QE

so thats my take

[wicked rivet]

hot take just use graf zep

[lunar veldt]

even against the hiryuu kai/WS kai/Amagi with the cancer front of sanrui/juneau/nanoda

or the torp squad ibuki/ayana/jint2 whioh would delete your frontlines

[wicked rivet]

thats my frontline

wait no

1/3

jint refuses to come home

and ayaya outdated so using yuki instead

[lunar veldt]

facing 2 rainbow mag torps is cancer

[wicked rivet]

I cant wait for a second

[lunar veldt]

its always either aya/nanoda

[finite valve]

jintsuu don't buff ibuki tho so why use her over kagero?

[wicked rivet]

nanoda has my rainbows

[lunar veldt]

preloaded torpedos

[wicked rivet]

kagerou in pvp?

[lunar veldt]

hit like trucks

[wicked rivet]

yes

[lunar veldt]

that torp team deals the highest dps in the game

anyone that is going for that Epeen event score (EX) uses that comp

but back to the QE part it might work for u

but it didnt work for me

2 pvp cycles of test

i did better with centaur than with QE

way better in fact

[modern tree]

I aint gonna argue results because it would feel really strange to just pretend I know how game on cn/jp plays atm, but from purely mathematical standpoint, using Centaur is a lot more awkward when it comes to timings and all the damage she would do with plane suicide, you can probably make up by hitting harder thanks to QE. I could see a benefit of getting rid of the VG, but if I was trying to do that, I'd probably drop Monarch and just run QE Centaur Warspite, where I can easily manipulate timings and hit the VG with most of the shells while they are still slowed

[lunar veldt]

fair enough

[modern tree]

it just feels like such a waste to have Nep and whoever else in the VG without QE to back them up, but you did drop Juneau so maybe you do have to do something super strange to have results

[charred sable]

💯

On a side note, still not seeing any KGVs on JP, guess I'll stop leveling her after she hits 100 and focus on 120ing my IJN team

[sharp wing]

Hmm, Gloriois event next, i hoped for Cent event before anniversary. Maybe they do it in July/Early August

Guess this is what happens, when you ask for HMS CV

[hot creek]

scrapping gear from purple and blue boxes for gold, my hand already starting to hurt

[finite valve]

should have just wait for 120 tbh

[hot creek]

its fine I just switch to my left hand

[sharp wing]

Imaging taking that out of context

[charred sable]

TFW scraping gear for gold

[wicked rivet]

[modern tree]

lvl 120 Hood hitting underleveled ships does some damage

[sharp wing]

U mean MG?

[finite valve]

i am not looking forward at all to when i need to lvl sirius YKK and jesus

not that i am going to do that this week anyway

...

[sharp wing]

you doing akag w/ Siri?

Also, is Ark only CV, that has Diver slots behind torp bomber slots... Feels weird af

[finite valve]

yeh

still usable against all comp

[sharp wing]

well, ye. Just asking

[coral wren]

Oh man, leveling jesus is a different kind of hell

[vague token]

eek planes shoot torpedos

in 12

[modern tree]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/226080531543097351/588805102492451057/unknown.png

works on my machine

at low danger I cna probably remove uni

it feels really stupid

[vague token]

i feel like only monarch can do that cause of her dps and self sustain

xD

[modern tree]

I feel like you can do that with any not shit bb

as long as you have 3 AA radars on Vestal

like I do

[vague token]

ohhhh

ok

ill try that later

[modern tree]

I genuinely do not think any other loudout on Vestal makes sense

what else are you gonna use, repair crane? lol

just shoot 4 aa guns with 400 AA stat

[vague token]

i dont have 3 +10 radars xD

and i have 400 gold

so it might be a while

[modern tree]

I am used to having shit nobody else does by now

I was probably the only person that had +10 quad before kgv came out

[vague token]

i mean we all know you're the ultimate hipster here ;))))

jk

[wicked rivet]

wheres the joke

[vague token]

maybe i should just go farm 7-2 money

[wicked rivet]

wait

I had a +10 quad

long before kgv

[vague token]

xD

[wicked rivet]

am I a hipster yet

[modern tree]

I have +10 firework gun that I use semi regularly

because Monitors suck at AA

or having gun

[vague token]

i only +6'd mine

cause i was saving gun plates

then i burned all 350 plates on roon/sanrui/nep guns

nep gun still +8 =/

oh god sara taking mvps in ch 12

i dont understand

gun damage + aa i guess XD

[wicked rivet]

My confetti cannon is only +8 cause I dont feel like spending more money and parts on it yet

[sharp wing]

Sara fighters take down enemy planes?

I don't upgrade those gears past +6 cause i always short on plates

Wonder if will get Acasta and Ardent retroes right away w/ Glorious event arrival, since they are event ships

[vague token]

i guess?

im just using vf pirate

125 is good enough efficiency wise

and she's level 118

so

[sharp wing]

I mean, are there other CVs in fleet?

[vague token]

no

[sharp wing]

So that's the reason

AA fights

[vague token]

yeah, sometimes amagi just destroys everything and everyone too though

xD

[sharp wing]

guess planes there have more total hp

Than trash Amagi clears

[vague token]

depends on how long it goes

cause if you clear faster less planes spawn

[sharp wing]

ye

Also, in pve, main fleet AA guns counts towards vg AA circle, so idk if they even get AA kill/damage counted

or it all goes towards vg ships

[vague token]

oh i cant clear boss lol

[sharp wing]

how does it even calculates there

[vague token]

need another carrier

[wicked rivet]

Thats how AA works everywhere

[vague token]

xD

[wicked rivet]

And they do get kills for it

[sharp wing]

In PVP main fleet actually has own AA radius and shoots

In PVE only vg circle exists

and main fleet guns count towards vg circle in pve

so...

It pretty much doesn't work same

[vague token]

dear god those dive bombs hit hard

[sharp wing]

Hm

[vague token]

main fleet isnt taking a ton on boss, just vanguard lol

[sharp wing]

I'm gonna undust my Lusty wife

Time to stop being useless waifu

She's not even 110 yet so....

[vague token]

i mean she just needs to shield and deploy fighters

being 110 doesnt help a ton with that

xD

[sharp wing]

Yeah. well. Lvls add her reload

Making her better at what she does

[vague token]

true

[sharp wing]

And increase her shield size due to HP increase

Since it depends on her own hp

So pretty much lvls make her better at her job

wonder how fast she gonna be w/ double messers, lol

Air Superiority

[vague token]

i would experiment but i have 600 gold

so im locked in

[sharp wing]

I got baited by Louis project...

RIP 5k

[vague token]

i started a 12 hour

xD

100% freeeeee

[sharp wing]

awakening Nanoda-Sama delayed till tomorrow

[vague token]

although i think it ends a bit after i sleep

[sharp wing]

I've been doing those lately

[vague token]

cause i started it after i was done with work

[sharp wing]

Well, they are good, when i go to sleep

Tho 12 hrs maybe a bit overkill, but i don't check in in game that often anyway

So works fine for me

Scraped all ironblood t3 boxes too

[vague token]

there's no way im scrapping my 1200 plus boxes

it'll take way too long

[sharp wing]

Got 1 t2 quad horming

[vague token]

xD

[sharp wing]

we need to be just able to sell boxes

small chance at t1-t2 plate and some gold

even no plates would be fine for most part

Also selling plates could be good too

Like having those few ks of t1 plates is pretty useless

So crafting would be better

[coral wren]

Huh. Isn't that some shit.

Can't get Aurora to save my life, but Sendai drops on my first run of 11-3.

[vague token]

to be fair

sendai drops on everything

far more generous than light build

aka the evilest build

[sharp wing]

I spent 800+ cubes on aurora in light build as well... Got her from wishing w/ 2 cubes tho

Sendai also dropped, while 3*

[vague token]

xD

[sharp wing]

same as lulu

St. Louis i built few days after release w/ daily builds

[vague token]

still not sold on saint lewdis, id rather run montpelier xD

[sharp wing]

Well, she exists for other things

How many of the 300 ships you use anyway

[vague token]

oh there was a fleet hiding behind my sub

=/

also, im surprised at how many 118 ayayayas there are in pvp lol

xD

[shell heron]

not even 120

[vague token]

yeah lol

i have 2 118s, ykk is 117

nagato started late

saint louis and juneau are ugh

[sharp wing]

my max 113

[shell heron]

I only had enough gold for 3 120s and a 115

could have been 4 120s but I need gold for research so ykk will have to wait at 115

[vague token]

xD

oh good still have people pushing

even in the world of 120

xD

[strange shuttle]

Does it matter who gets the raider?

[midnight heron]

it depends i guess

higher aa reduces air dmg taken but it also increases ur aa dmg

so u hav to choose between increasing air defence for low aa ships or increase aa dmg for ships with high aa + efficiency

[ionic magnet]

[midnight heron]

wooow im not fighting dat lul

[ionic magnet]

i tried 3 times with my 115s

failed miserably

[midnight heron]

all of them being oathed doesnt help either

[vague token]

oh god

then again he is level 119

that's probably like 70k+ attacks

game is full time job

xD

[buoyant parrot]

I have no gold as of the moment

[vague token]

welcome to poor shikikan club

here's your complimentary 7-2 ticket

[buoyant parrot]

That's only what I can come up with for now, I must construct more pylons

[vague token]

[trim horizon]

http://prntscr.com/o1lnme

idk what did i do wrong

[vague token]

tfw juneau has more xp than ykk

[shy hazel]

i find it dumb and mysterious

some ppl grind cvs first

when they get less the most from 120lvls

[vague token]

xD

[shy hazel]

esp i see ppl grinding entt

enty like wut

[vague token]

im just glad sara carries over easy

[shy hazel]

its 2019 hey

[vague token]

t1 bois

[shy hazel]

shoo memer go away

[vague token]

she steals mvp from amagi sometimes

it's really annoying

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

(in 12)

has anyone with 120 sanrui showed up on the full time AL accounts?

xD

ive seen a lot of 118 ayas

imma check top 100 and see if anyone has anything close

deadrel has 120 ykk

owo

https://gyazo.com/50c8cf121612206ab5f87bbea3d71c6d

yikes

i think ive seen 1 saint louis in this entire top 100 lol

and she was like around 100

guess it's back to the 7-2 mines for me

too poor

[shell heron]

All these full 120's

I guess I can't be saving gold yet if I need to be up against these

[vague token]

i mean just gotta save a reroll

xD

[shell heron]

I'm just dreading leveling Juneau again. It already wasn't fun getting her to 110

[vague token]

just awaken and toss her in the dorm

forever

FOREVER

[shell heron]

but the gold

[vague token]

or back to the 7-2 mines

also juneau doesnt even cost that much to awaken

at least

cause she's a blue

[shell heron]

guess I'm gonna live in 7-2 for a while

ch12 is gonna have to wait

[vague token]

same

[sharp wing]

I live in 11-4 for now

[vague token]

/already got columbia xD

[sharp wing]

just farming pvp fleet

[hot creek]

wish I had fuel

I wonder how non oathed fleets are gonna do in the mirror now at 120

probably a lot much harder

[odd schooner]

They're relying on dmg reductions

Don't worry abt it

[vague token]

it's gonna be expensive to experiment now =/

reaaaal expensive

think i just forgot a match

[hot creek]

farming an extra 20k event currency for 2 general BP might have been a mistake

[vague token]

oh god

[sharp wing]

Well, i just did it, while farming PR

[ionic magnet]

i wish columbia would drop so i can stop wasting oils

but no

80 runs in and still none

[sharp wing]

tho w/ daily SP 800, quests and x3 normal maps it wasn't really anything

[silver root]

this event felt way easier to grind than kizuna ai

[sharp wing]

Kizu had no 3x

she had way low points output overall

but it was same 1:1 spam in the last map anyway

[vague token]

last map had 4 elites though

xD

[sharp wing]

yeah

low lvl tho

~90

or 90 was boss mobs were lower

At least we didn't have wasted points there in shop

i have 18k+ useless points in event shop after selling kgv dupe for medals, lol

[vague token]

xD

[grim belfry]

I'm asking for someone in my community. Best PvP equipment for Akagi and Kaga?

[sharp wing]

Look for guide in pins

Tierlist

I think i'm done w/ grind for today

[raw osprey]

Best Akagi Kaga equip? equip: Hiryuu

[sharp wing]

But Hyryuu no rush, hey

[wicked rivet]

ai event had shit point rewards for the final map

120 per run

[cerulean estuary]

will we get WC rerun next week?

[trim horizon]

[lament lichen]

[sharp wing]

next week is Victorious event apparently

[lament lichen]

thats glorious mini event

[sharp wing]

Glorious i mean

HMS names are all the same

[cerulean estuary]

are u sirius its glorious not victorious or not for illustrous ?

[sharp wing]

[shy hazel]

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

i should lay low from pvp awhile

i have a feeling top 10 will be full of full 120 people

i only got namaga 120

tbf backline is easy to 120

but vg

[midnight heron]

havent rly fought 120s yet except maybe the rare jintsuu/nagato but i hav to say it wasnt as bad as i expected

[shy hazel]

i rekt everything not 120

with backline alone

[midnight heron]

i had pretty much been living in a pvp well for da past few weeks cuz i was using nonmaxed nonmeta ships for lvling

[shy hazel]

if my vg is 120i can imagine

i should use 120 minne and phoenix

heh

w12 wont ever be a problem but

feels lazy to do that after 6 prs

[shell heron]

I'm split, do I want to 120 my pvp or pve ships first

So I did some of both

[shy hazel]

belfast is pvp pve ship

ykkz is bad at w12

but usable

jun tho

time to start dorm imprisonment with long oil comm grinding

[shell heron]

I'm gonna lock myself at 7-2 for a while anyways so could work on jun.

[midnight heron]

[shy hazel]

lazy to grind hirtuu too

while i used nagama in izumo grind

[wicked rivet]

Lvl 120 hiryuu suckx

[shell heron]

same, but I finished my Izumo grind during the event. such nice exp on D3

[shy hazel]

both of them 120 alrdy

but hiryuu grind

if only theres a map with no terrorist bombers

[finite valve]

terrorist bombers or surprise butt sex from ambusher?

[abstract cypress]

pvp filled with 120 shits when im even struggling up em to 110

hows lyfe

[odd schooner]

@shy hazel she can solo bacc 8-4

3 vg front tho

[sharp wing]

I didn't want to do w12, but then free gold "Do w12 3 times" commission poped up...

So here i'm lol

[finite valve]

going to throw oil out the window and farm + grind for drop + exp

at least the exp is good

zzz

[sharp wing]

Well, for me it's much same. Grind 11-4 or ch12 with pvp fleet...

[coral wren]

It feels so weird to have to look at opponent ship levels again instead of just what the ships are.

[midnight heron]

tfw i only look at ship lvls to gauge how likely i'll lose

[abstract cypress]

sickos

[sharp wing]

Well, i only did 12-1 for project. Used pvp fleet for clearing/exp farm, it does pretty good, including kill all enemies. Didn't even swap gear. Tho they are only 110-113. 12-1 boss i did with lvl 107 chinawall, lol. Backed up by lvl 105 Lusty, and 110 Hood and Dork.

Without Dork S ranking boss hard tho

[odd schooner]

I just saw Dork's real value last night lmao

I had to go to a combini and bought her a ring

[vague token]

dork is a great solo dps

helps team by boosting their damage 100% of the time

xD

[sharp wing]

she will steal your heart

[shy hazel]

her voice annoying asf

[zenith tundra]

who plays with voices tho

[shy hazel]

me

[zenith tundra]

even if the ships are annoying?

[sharp wing]

I always play muted

So i only care for looks

[shy hazel]

cos its easier if auto is done

if voices stop

saying anything

battle sfx makes me sleepy

[zenith tundra]

seems like he also was a namaryuu use lol

[shy hazel]

what an outdated person

14040 is rookie numbers in jp alrdy

should be 14.8

[zenith tundra]

unoathed hiryuu not even 100 affection

[shy hazel]

wwll at least u can update still

[zenith tundra]

and my bis namaryuu 120 was 14k as well

without hiryuu retro tho

lol

[lament lichen]

retro too

[zenith tundra]

got to check the equip

[vague token]

o.o

[zenith tundra]

yeah some stuff wasnt +10

need to start farming for sure

[shy hazel]

im p sure id be using wskai if i contibued kp

jp

[zenith tundra]

also need to farm both amagi and nagato rings too

at i have stuff to do

why ws kai when i can get azuma...

he started working on her. missing only xp seems

[vague token]

xD

[zenith tundra]

bps gonna be a lot of time

[sharp wing]

2.4 mill VG exp

[zenith tundra]

so the 1st one is backlines and 2nd one vg?

[lament lichen]

yes

[zenith tundra]

for xp?

good to know

[sharp wing]

Yeah

[zenith tundra]

at least i dont have to bother with this

just need to farm roon xp

[sharp wing]

Might work on that fancy Leip retro

PR S2 at least doesn't class lock exp grind

[zenith tundra]

18k ppl playing... what?

[modern tree]

Even Sandy has like 10k

[sharp wing]

16k Sandy

But very few actually do pvp

Also over there they have shitton of servers

2-3 weeks ago i asked some1 rank w/ 0 matches was 16k+, after 1 battle 15k+
Now i asked some1 and 14k without battles.

Well, i'm not surprised by summer activity drop

[modern tree]

120 might actually be my breaking point, where ships have just enough evasion to make every fucking game just straight rng with nothing else involved, and Amagi sitting on top of this trash pile

[sharp wing]

lol

[zenith tundra]

bb comps are kind of rng based

that's why cv are here

[modern tree]

Yes but you also can't not play bb comps

[sharp wing]

Esp when yr and enemy Nyaga 0:3 barrages

[modern tree]

And and sitting there watching Amagi and Nagato lose to just Nagato cuz you happen to miss about 5 shells straight and then she got a barrage is really unfun

My Monarch is hitting 3 shells out of her barrage on average with level advantage

[sharp wing]

I fought 1 monarch, failed to see her barrage

[modern tree]

And staag

[sharp wing]

RNG

[zenith tundra]

i dont like nagato either just her buff is too strong

also part of the reason i love hiryuu... pure anti rng ship at least till retro

maybe even after retro u dont need her barrage to win but i need to test that

[modern tree]

Nagato isn't even a problem. She's barely better than qe and only because she has an extra skill. It's actually just evasion fuckery and Amagi

[sharp wing]

Well, due to RNG barrages, yr Ryuu can go into counter mode much earlier, than enemy, and u are fcked

[zenith tundra]

i rarelly had that problem in en without retro hiryuu

[modern tree]

Barrages aren't even a fucking problem either, it's just missing half of your shots on stationary targets

[sharp wing]

Well, that happens at 110 too

[zenith tundra]

use hit rating equipment

[modern tree]

It didn't

[sharp wing]

My double sg amagi would miss foxes

[modern tree]

I am not sure what else you expect me to have beyond 2 acc aux and staag

[zenith tundra]

staag and 2 sg seems to be best after all

[modern tree]

And it doesn't tangibly change anything

[zenith tundra]

guess that's 120 meta

[modern tree]

Just swap from 110 to 115 made the game barely playable

[zenith tundra]

qe buff acc too right?

[sharp wing]

she buffs eva

[zenith tundra]

not accuracy?

[sharp wing]

no

[zenith tundra]

rip then

[sharp wing]

Nyaga 20% acc buff shines there

[odd schooner]

So the things we see on bilibili like rng matches starting to appear on EN too?

[sharp wing]

well, we have 120 now

[zenith tundra]

amagi has bad acc by default

her base acc is lower then bb

turn her into an easion hold and gg

[sharp wing]

Amagi has average 68 acc

[odd schooner]

So the tiering we saw earlier about backlinerd having 1 evasion aux makes sense too

[lament lichen]

nagato at 120 is only 70

[odd schooner]

Gib pr rudder prints

[lament lichen]

warspite retro 120 is 125

[odd schooner]

[sharp wing]

I mean, 68-70 acc at 120 is average for BBs

[zenith tundra]

acc is not that important when u hit so many times with barrage

[sharp wing]

Amagi not lower, than others

[zenith tundra]

amagi should have hood acc

[modern tree]

You don't hit shit with barrage

[sharp wing]

They have same acc

[modern tree]

If you think Hood is landing any of those scary looking shells then you need to test at this level more

Nothing hits anymore, all barrages lose like half of value on average

[sharp wing]

I mean, only WS of PVP ships has 100+ acc, rest BB/BC are around ~70

[zenith tundra]

white shell for shelling damage then?

[modern tree]

Pretty sure Warspite is the only ship in this game that can afford holding a white shell cuz her base luck and acc are ridic

[sharp wing]

yeah

[modern tree]

Every other ship should probably just stack sgs and fucking gamble

[ionic magnet]

ws misses every other shot of her barrage too

and this happens already at lv 110 so its not really new

[modern tree]

Okay but it's not about barrage

It's about backlines being unable to hit each other at all

[ionic magnet]

true

[sharp wing]

Well, PVP finally entered true RNG phase

[ionic magnet]

im already annoyed at lv 110 tbh and its only going to get worse

[odd schooner]

Has anyone also check cv dmg

[sharp wing]

the higher the lvl, the more air damage reduction due to AA growth. Tho IJN AA not anything to speak of

Foxes ws IJN might actually not lose damage, due to low aa growth adn they Avi growth

But then again, EVA

[zenith tundra]

foxes vs namaryuu lose by default due to hiryuu

[sharp wing]

well, that's another point

I mean, foxes AVI growth 100-120 and amagi/nyaga AA growth 100-120 are 2:1

[zenith tundra]

complainingg about 120 meta ain't gonna change it

aa increase at lower values give better stats then aviation at higher values due to diminishing returns

the difference in between 100 and 150 aa is much more then in between 300 and 350

[sharp wing]

As i say, damage basically remains unchanged

cause we have 2:1 growth, not 1:1 growth

[zenith tundra]

u gain more damage by having a large boost at lower stat levels then one at higher

[sharp wing]

There no large boost

[zenith tundra]

if not aya would just 1shoot stuff because 1.2k torpedo stat

[sharp wing]

There small boost on low lvl and big boost on big lvl

that's the point

[zenith tundra]

its an example not how they gain stat

[sharp wing]

But i'm talking about real situation

[zenith tundra]

and foxes get 20 aviation extra not much

[sharp wing]

40

[zenith tundra]

20 aa is better at 180 levels then 20 aviation at 500 levels

[sharp wing]

it:s not 1:1....

wtf...

You totally missed the point

[zenith tundra]

at 120 without ring her stat is 409

[sharp wing]

i took stats from wiki

[zenith tundra]

how is that a fucking 40 gain

[sharp wing]

i compared growth 100-120

[zenith tundra]

yet again 40 gain at so higher levels of stat with all the equipment boost and all is literally nothing

do the math with all the right equip and the 35% aviation stat

[sharp wing]

yeah, but it's still 2:1 growth

of AVi to AA

[zenith tundra]

that is meaningless because of diminishing returns

[sharp wing]

that's why damage unchanged

I dunno wtf you arguing

[steep fog]

pvp is cancer now when I have no gold to uncap botes lol

[cerulean estuary]

messed up clock / timer = log in seconds before reset

commisions didnt reset

[zenith tundra]

@sharp wing aviation damage as fp and torp have diminishing returns

look at the formula on the wiki

[sharp wing]

yES AND?

We all know that

[midnight heron]

eh wheres my daily login 😮

[zenith tundra]

if u undersrand that how is it that u dont understand that a 54 extra stat at 600 is less worth then a 20 gain at 160

that's what diminishing returns do. u need more to gain the same amount

[sharp wing]

40 at 370 vs 20 at 160

[zenith tundra]

what 370?

did u count equip or skills

or those dont exist

[sharp wing]

We talk just about stat growth

gear won't change

same gear at 100 and 120

[zenith tundra]

that stat grow is meaningless if ur stat is overly inflated by equip and skill gains

[sharp wing]

What's yr point?

[zenith tundra]

that's why cv dmg gets worse with higher levels because they aviation stat is so inflated already that the growth is almost useless

[sharp wing]

what's yr point?

again

[zenith tundra]

40 extra aviation means no significant dmg increase

[sharp wing]

So damage will remain unchanged right?

Nor they will lose damage?

[zenith tundra]

just u dont get more dmg in % then a ship gain in aa %

in the example

[sharp wing]

You confirmed my words, ty.

[zenith tundra]

whatever that means it means that 40 aviation stat is less worth then 20 aa stat for akaga and namagi respectively

[sharp wing]

At least you finally got it they don't get 1:1 growth

[elder crane]

Yep, since AA dred is a thing CV damage per strike doesn't upscale
Amd since HP upscales, relative CV dmg %-HP-wise downscales quite a bit

On the other hand, gunnery doesn't face a scaling dred

So the FP upscale and HP upscale mostly-ish cancel out

And the ofc the PvP HP multiplier also scales with level

Which means foxes get dunked on twice

iirc for 10 levels cap increase it's something like 10-15% less relative-dmg they do per-strike (which is the case for all CVs, but is particularly bad for foxes, who rely on their initial burst)

[zenith tundra]

where is acasta from?

[leaden sequoia]

event-wise?

[zenith tundra]

whatever she is from

[leaden sequoia]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Events/Glorious_Final_Battle

smol event

my calcs that determine amount of diff points per 1 bonus point are fucked btw

with new data points

[zenith tundra]

from what is known it's not 100% only points difference

like 35 in dst season wasnt enough for +1

[leaden sequoia]

888 vs 1022 (144 diff) -> 5 bonus => 25-28 points/bonus
991 vs 1063 ( 72 diff) -> 3 bonus => 19-24 points/bonus

the ranges don't overlap at all

so there is more to it

like what you just said

[zenith tundra]

someone said it was density related as why 35 wasn't enough for a +1 back then since a lot of people were all stacked with similar scores

[leaden sequoia]

that would explain why the 888 vs 1022 one required more points

I see a lot of people already losing 5-10 attempts at this point

so if they try to use up every attempt they didn't lose

they would get to ~900 ish at the point where the top is 1024

my data from 2 weeks ago showed 23-24 points/bonus and I was within only 5-10 attempts away from the top

it's suspicious though

that it's 23-24 at ~1000 points when the top 100 is 1049-1074

while it was higher when I was at ~900 points when the top 100 was 1000-1024

so could also mean it's non-linear

[midnight heron]

ded gaem

[ionic magnet]

noones moving on mine

[midnight heron]

inb4 ppl dropping pvp cuz lvl cap increase

[ionic magnet]

nah its always like this after like first 5 days

[coral wren]

Guys how do you lvl up your pvp fleets

I mean u can use ayaya nagato amagi etc in pve but what about juneau or akaga for example

They arent that useful

Well what about juneau

I cant do w12 yet but im slowly but surely getting there

Im still in w10 buts its pretty easy

If i farm a bit and upgrade my gear it shouldnt be too bad

I hope

[ionic magnet]

1:1 in 7-2 or 8-4 should still be more oil efficient

w10+ is more time efficient

[analog hare]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Messerschmitt_Me-155A#Type_3
This is the best fighter to takedown enemy plane or Hellcat ??

[coral wren]

Also how do u get hellcats? Iirc you can only farm it on 5-2

Thats just shit

[midnight heron]

boxes

[coral wren]

Well them rip me

[vagrant veldt]

F4U should have the best AA guns

[midnight heron]

or event maps if u're lucky

[coral wren]

I have 0 hellcats lol

Should make at least one

[midnight heron]

shud be slightly easier to get now with random research bp

[coral wren]

Ive gotten only one up till now

Ok i have 8/15 so shouldnt take too long to make one

I need atleast one

I have a reppu for Akagi and for all the others i use seafangs :/

Im getting shit from boxes. Im not even getting disappointed anymore

Should be thankful that i got 2 catapults

[coral wren]

Eh, sg+hydro or badge+hydro on qe

[wicked rivet]

Lost one cause of bs rng probly

My vg fucking won the fight and I look away for 20 seconds and I get a loss

Fuck this

[coral wren]

Another one bites the dust

[wicked rivet]

As long as this is the only one I should be fine for top at the end

Its still fucking bs though

[shy hazel]

when meta is mixed up better not leave your pvp screen

level gap makes my fleet fully intact every fight

[leaden sequoia]

better not leave your pvp screen
unless your fleet is meta and already 120

[wicked rivet]

too bad mine is only 115/120/115

120/115/120 now

[buoyant parrot]

damn ch12 so hard...

what's a good fleet for boss (auto)

im at 12-4

im trying to auto the boss but no can do... Have to manual

[zenith tundra]

autoing bosses without danger level is the hardest part

[buoyant parrot]

I guess I will only be able to auto 12-4 once threat level is green

[steep fog]

I can auto boss but its not consistent yet

at lethal

[buoyant parrot]

what's you boss fleet if I may ask?

[buoyant parrot]

I might be able to do some tweaking

I yeah I can definitely tweak that

thanks!

[steep fog]

cornerstone of this strat is a tanky af portkai

to eat blue shit

and unicorn to heal her up

[buoyant parrot]

I'll nuke the boss with Nagato 120 and Duke Of York 120

or maybe a Amagi instead

[steep fog]

boss has shield so...

I dont like torp meme so...

[buoyant parrot]

torp meme is only good for manual

[steep fog]

doing it the gunboat way

[buoyant parrot]

not for auto at best

[steep fog]

[buoyant parrot]

im a lazy f tard I want everything auto

[steep fog]

I can auto better if I have the gold to uncap my ships to 120

but at 500 gold now

rip this pvp season too

[buoyant parrot]

anyway Alex thanks for the idea, I'll try it on my next run

i'll share this here
https://youtu.be/BXdhN4rEfho

I'll try that next

[wicked rivet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/520042776855838742/589101272016093192/Screenshot_20190614-103907_Azur_Lane.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/520042776855838742/589101362218926126/the-incredibles-the-incredibles-35643466-500-377.png

okay this one only took like 5 resets

not bad

[modern tree]

Nice flex

[hidden wyvern]

https://i.imgur.com/vO8Yzlx.png

[sharp wing]

You know, when you oversleep

[wicked rivet]

flex? wheremst

[coral wren]

Hm, nagato is actually quite tanky with wheel

[elder crane]

Lol at these monstrosities being recommended as the "best WSkai" teams on CN
https://i0.hdslb.com/bfs/article/b121552e0a70df84d5ca247110df0dcd7832c617.png@1320w_2236h.webp
https://i0.hdslb.com/bfs/article/dceecadc8f81ff919e4983f475ece6e83859925b.png@1320w_2236h.webp

[zenith tundra]

just pick all the best ships and slap them together

[elder crane]

Basically the guy says "WTF are these teams, they work but screw adding them to my tierlist"

also QE finally gone

[zenith tundra]

idk about that monarch must with ws kai

[coral wren]

Yeah, i guess her 15% don’t do shit now

[elder crane]

I suppose just boosting 2 main fleet ships doesn't cut it for including her

I mean, if you're using wskai, you probably want a 2nd HMS to take advantage of the focus

and Monarch is the best other HMS BB to use (as well as just being powerful herself, period)

I suppose namagi wskai, or running fdg over one of namagi. might be good too but the guy writing the article seems to only grudgingly admit the existence of the two above options to begin with

[zenith tundra]

everyone has their own bias

[elder crane]

"My wife, the royal family? ? ? (This configuration is too stupid, the plate does not appear)"

[zenith tundra]

wtf is that ibuki dmg

[wicked rivet]

Wdym wtf is it

Ibuki stronk

Whats her dev level?

19191

Nice number

[zenith tundra]

dev 30 ofc

1st 10 attempts on jp (1 missing because i clicked too much)
https://imgur.com/a/agwd1w4

can't wait for next season to try against real comps since this is just best of i could find in my lists

the only comp that seemed good was 1 full 120 nakaga that i used belfast against

[coral wren]

@elder crane is that a pr2 gun in their secondary arm slot?

[lament lichen]

thats pr 2 gun for secondary

[elder crane]

yeah, current rec is the PR2 HE152 for BB secs mostly

same 68 targeting 70 projectile range as the AP152, better damage vs light and chance of fires

30 FP and 15 AA iirc instead of 45 FP

[elder crane]

well the current meta CN/JP afaik is mostly just Hiryuu for CVs, for the strongest teams

and maybe also counting a Bunnies/Dragons team if you think that's good enough

[zenith tundra]

al needs dr cv already

or some ur retro cv

[coral wren]

John connor enterprise

I'm pretty sure it will be her

[sharp wing]

Enterprise already exists in WoWs, so not happening as PR

[vague token]

alterprise wouldnt make sense as pr since isnt that collab oriented?

would be better for her to be like akashi and have a big old questline

[waxen crater]

Hello friends

I have a question

How would a hood/monarch/Enty back with a takao/Helena/bel vanguard work in pvp? I’m thinking it might shape up well

[arctic imp]

People mostly use Nagaka

or Amakaga

[waxen crater]

Yeah but my problem is uhh

[arctic imp]

or Nagato, Amagi, Hiryuu

[waxen crater]

My dumbass quit the game for awhile so I don’t have nagato, amagi or yuki

Yeah it’s not good...

[arctic imp]

Well... 🇫

[waxen crater]

There will be reruns... I hope

[arctic imp]

There will be

But for now uh...

[waxen crater]

But until then I need help 😂😂

[arctic imp]

Enty I still use in PvP so that will do

Belfast is common

[waxen crater]

I heard bel is useless now

[arctic imp]

Also this will be douchy

But

[waxen crater]

From help tho so idk if that’s irrelevant

[arctic imp]

Juneau

[waxen crater]

Oh god

I might have to...

[trim horizon]

Bel is the only meta ship in your VG actually

Helena skill has shitty timing for PvP

and Taco is Taco

[waxen crater]

I thought it synergizes with Enty

And takao was just an idea for a tank

As I said before my vangaurd needs help 😅. Also I should make it known warspite will be replacing hood once retro is out

[trim horizon]

CA don't tank if they don't have Brick Eugen in their name

at least if they are not lvl120

[arctic imp]

CAs aren't ideal for pvp sadly

[waxen crater]

Well if I use juneau there’s my tank

Bel is my offtank

[arctic imp]

You have pearls tears?

[waxen crater]

Uhhh maybe Aya should be added?

[trim horizon]

Bel/Jun is good

[waxen crater]

No but I can grind my ass of for it

[trim horizon]

you can add any X

[arctic imp]

Good

Hood and Monarch backline I dunno

Only one of em flagship

[waxen crater]

Yah. I was gonna replace hood when I got the chance

[arctic imp]

Yeah, Probably keep Hood off PvP

Monarch is better but also

[waxen crater]

And for pearl tears I hear I shouldn’t put it on juneau cuz it stacks badly

[trim horizon]

mmh

we have 120

so it shouldn't over heal

if she tank enough

to die at the right moment

idk correct me if im wrong

[elder crane]

it's less an issue but usually still recommended to place it on another non-super-tanky VG if possible

[waxen crater]

Maybe aya if I add her?

[elder crane]

best "meta"-ish team without Amagi/Nagato is probably HMS btw

[waxen crater]

Not sure if that’s a good idea though with a bel/juneau team

[elder crane]

Do you have jint? she's another good option

[waxen crater]

Yah but I kinda hate QE. Why use her when there’s so many better options

[trim horizon]

oh god

[waxen crater]

No I don’t have her yet

[trim horizon]

[elder crane]

there's... kinda no better options for you

I suppose no Bismarck either?

[waxen crater]

I mean I can hms if needed

No I have bis

Just no tirpitz...

Or graf...

😂

[elder crane]

gah hope that DC rerun is next I suppose

then you could make a passable KMS

[trim horizon]

passable KMS

[elder crane]

HMS is still your best bet though...

with KGV you have something to sub in for Monarch too, while you develop her (I suppose you have her?)

[waxen crater]

Yes I do

Also should I 120 my whole HMS team

Once it comes out

[arctic imp]

I would leave Hood for now on second thought

[elder crane]

I'd say then something like KGV/QE/Hood, Nep/Bel/Juneau could be good focusing on Nep first
or if you want to skip Nep, Sheff (if you have her) or maybe Edin/Leander

[arctic imp]

Since PvP is full of Akaga

and you need the AA stats

Neptune is good but

He she already has Monarch

And training 2 PRs is a pain

[waxen crater]

Yeah I can make nep next if it’s needed

[elder crane]

Yeah but for him Nep should be a bigger upgrade than Monarch, and is already a super clear upgrade by probably dev20, dev25 for sure

[arctic imp]

for pve yes but PvP eh..

[elder crane]

whereas you'd need dev25/dev30 for Monarch to actually be an upgrade on KGV or Hood

[arctic imp]

not sure

True

[elder crane]

Do you have sheffield?

[waxen crater]

No...

Eheheh

I’ll get her soon I think she’s the monthly reward

[elder crane]

Yeah, then for sure, Jun/Bel/Nep should be much better than anything he can sub in for Nep

[arctic imp]

Thats Southampton

[elder crane]

Sheff is a event as well

[arctic imp]

Sheffield is from WC event

Which was.. recently...

So you gotta wait for rerun IF there's a rerun.

If not, they'll be perm added like JP did

[waxen crater]

Shit yeah then I don’t have her

[sharp wing]

Event's usually have 2 reruns before perma

[elder crane]

I suppose no Aurora either, not that I think she's even that good in HMS itself

[waxen crater]

Maybe just grind for nep and monarch at the same time?

[arctic imp]

HMS without QE in PvP issa pain

[elder crane]

so probably your best bet is to build HMS, and focus on Nep then Monarch
otherwise hope for DC rerun soon and build KMS

[arctic imp]

Even with her, it's not the best

[waxen crater]

Is KMS better than HMS now?

[trim horizon]

no.

[waxen crater]

Cuz I could hold off on full blasting pvp

[arctic imp]

Eh...meh...eheh. .

[waxen crater]

Oh

Wait then why hope for KMS 😂

I’m so confused

[sharp wing]

KMS still lacks ships

[elder crane]

cause you didn't want to use QE, which is needed for HMS

[waxen crater]

Oh well I can use QE

[arctic imp]

KMS is aiight but you need Biscuit, Tirp AND Graf

[waxen crater]

I mean I don’t care that much lol

[elder crane]

and that's the next best option you can go for with what you have

[arctic imp]

And a good frontline

[trim horizon]

Bismarck and Roon can't carry a whole joke

[arctic imp]

Roon, z23 and...

uh...

um....

[waxen crater]

Eugen?

[sharp wing]

gun focused DD in pvp, nice meme

[waxen crater]

She’s a good tank but that’s it lmao

[elder crane]

Nah it's Roon/Jun/ykkz as always usually for KMS

[arctic imp]

Eugen, naw

[elder crane]

you don't need all KMS in KMS, just like not all HMS in HMS

[arctic imp]

But Yukikaze event only

[elder crane]

yeah, he'll have to sub that out somehow

[arctic imp]

For PvP KMS is a nono

[waxen crater]

Well I could run QE/hood(until war retro)/monarch and a nep/Juneau/Bel vangaurd

[elder crane]

still should be better than foxes without Nagato or Amagi

[waxen crater]

Would that work decently well?

[trim horizon]

we're all waiting WS-Kai liberation day

[arctic imp]

Rofl

[elder crane]

yeah, that should work decently well-ish, probably your best bet

[sharp wing]

Rather damnation day

[arctic imp]

Have fun waiting