pvp

[sharp wing]

SO?

[vague token]

80 to 90 is more than 10%

technically

it's like 12.5%

xD

[sharp wing]

I mean, it's HMS carrier

[coral wren]

Making victorious a ssr cv with 25% chance to double damage and those stats, guy who did was probably high as fuck. I don't know if they snorted some angel dust in china, but jesus

[sharp wing]

25% is regular skill

[coral wren]

And it's horrible

[sharp wing]

same for all carriers with that skill

You want everything to be Enty?

[vague token]

i mean 25% skills might as well not exist in pvp

fights are barely long enough to get 4 rolls

[coral wren]

^

[sharp wing]

Well, who uses those in pvp anyway

[vague token]

xD

we'd need more hp for pvp if we wanted to see long fight skills see use

[sharp wing]

It will be close to 50% skills tbh in reality, lol

Well, tells the guy, who uses Sara xD

[vague token]

;))))

GIMME MY DOT TIME

[sharp wing]

Funny ok

[vague token]

buff my strategy, nerf all others

[coral wren]

Also, burn dmg should kill

[vague token]

reduce the power of front loaded strategies!

xD

[sharp wing]

reduce barrage damage to 50%

[vague token]

boost activation chances of skills, but reduce their power by the same amount

[sharp wing]

They could make something like battle formation for pvp with those effects

[vague token]

also, more weapon variety that mimics pve please

[sharp wing]

Like one + chance - dmg

[vague token]

i want like

those spinning shells

that explode into bullets

[sharp wing]

lol

I want Big Black Holes

[vague token]

those BIG bombs on pve planes

or planes that just shoot small bullets

and siren helicopter planes

aka planes that do dps until killed

instead of suicide damage

id love that one

[sharp wing]

those were like drones

[vague token]

they hover

so they're either vtol or helicopters

either way GIVE

[sharp wing]

Nah

[vague token]

more gear types would open up more things

for ships with no barrage

or add on more utility to ships with barrage

oh and my personal favorite

AP guns prioritize backline

on the first shot

the opposite of HE

normal can be random

xD

[sharp wing]

tbh Ap ammo should just have weight priority

[vague token]

i mean that's fine for the bonus main gun mounts

but the first shot needs to be 100% always main

weighted towards their direct opponent

as opposed to the other slots

ap bb should be the 1v1 me gun

[sharp wing]

and make Amagi arcing shells not targeted

[vague token]

im ok with aimed barrages if they're consistent on targeting

like WS barrage follows its rules 100%

amagi is just like

yeah imma shoot that somewhere

but id like to see more side friendly barrages too

isnt georgia's side friendly since it's an orbital barrage? xD

[coral wren]

I was kinda hype for georgia, but she doesn't fit in any pvp setup 😦

[vague token]

i mean she follows the eagle code of solo worker

and 400+ aa

lol

ill use her eventually because i like her design xD

[coral wren]

Made for farming w12+

[vague token]

she does 20% more damage to other BBs

oh and CA, Big Cruiser, BC, BBV

so with her gun she should be good at dealing big deeps to all the big battleships in pvp

xD

[sharp wing]

Assuming she actually targets them

and not misses

[coral wren]

Well, one day uss will get it's flagship

[vague token]

i mean, she'll help rip apart azuma/saint louis/roon

aka medium armor vanguards

[sharp wing]

USS alreadu has shitty flags

[vague token]

like killing those 3 early before juneau goes down sounds handy

using the power of SHS

[coral wren]

Ok, one day uss will get a good one

[sharp wing]

Doubt

[vague token]

you burn away of lot of EHP

[coral wren]

Approx when hms gets it's first good cv

[vague token]

iowa class will save us

hms has centaur unless you mean full CV

[coral wren]

Yeah, full cv

[vague token]

which would be worse than centaur because in pvp lol damage difference

unless the skills are busted

[sharp wing]

I mean, CV CVl works same in pvp, what's yr problem

[vague token]

CVL does 12.5% more damage than CV

[coral wren]

Unfortunately, good for pvp means busted almost every time

[vague token]

because of PVP rules

[sharp wing]

Not that

Not that

They are both carrier

[vague token]

i mean why would you take the carrier that does less damage with the same stats

xD

[sharp wing]

I mean CVL also carrier, what's the deal with exactly CV

lol

[vague token]

i mean 12.5% is a lot

[sharp wing]

yeah, on top of that

HMS bot getting anything better Centaur

Cent only SR CVL

[vague token]

were there other centaur class ships?

they could just make more

xD

MORE ELVES

[sharp wing]

Centaur - ELf legit

Also, cent has 4 fighters 4 torp bombers loadout

[vague token]

imma look up centaur class

[sharp wing]

pretty unique

[coral wren]

Indeed, hms had quite a good amount of cvs indeed

[vague token]

ok... first thing that pops up is centaur class star ship for federation lol

[coral wren]

Albion, bulwarck.

[vague token]

wroooong thing

[coral wren]

Btw, there are some unfinished ones, so mb pr3?

[sharp wing]

WoWs never gonna fix their CVs, so don't expect anything

[coral wren]

Oh w8, pr is from that slav game..

[sharp wing]

[coral wren]

yeah

[vague token]

lol

[sharp wing]

Yeah

PR is Collab

in general

permanent collab addition to the game, lol

[vague token]

did the later centaurs even participate in ww2 lol

[coral wren]

Yeah, in bombing middle east, lol

[vague token]

woo

[sharp wing]

I mean, Centaur actually was post ww2

She didn't participate in anything till after war

[vague token]

oh

weird

[coral wren]

Yeah, they were drifting from island to island

[sharp wing]

Commissioned in 1953

[vague token]

tfw waifu gacha teaches you more about naval history than school

[coral wren]

Quite a nice waste of money

[sharp wing]

Actual active ww2 HMS fleet was few and inbetween

[vague token]

maybe we'll get lusty retro

so she can actually scare the spaghet

[sharp wing]

MORE OPPAI?

[vague token]

instead of being a joke

why would the current lusty be scary to anyone

[sharp wing]

Oof

[vague token]

she has like 0 attack power

xD

[sharp wing]

Retro Thighs +10

[modern tree]

t0 tits has no hopes for retro with how overused she is

[sharp wing]

Pfff

[vague token]

=(

[coral wren]

HMS Formidable, HMS Indomitable. They had some that participated in korean war

[sharp wing]

Also, t0 tits is Zepp

[vague token]

when pve usage murders hope of pvp upgrades

[sharp wing]

TBH KMS needs good CV more, than HMS

[coral wren]

There is only graf i think

[sharp wing]

Well, tbh, KMS needs everything

[vague token]

i mean

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

biscuit is a good sheller

with crit shell

[sharp wing]

Zepp and Zeppy

[vague token]

if she had anyone to actually back her up

or

shark retro to Large Cruiser

would actually solve a lot

[sharp wing]

pfff

[vague token]

because then kms can mirror ijn pvp meta

[coral wren]

They need good ships, but unfortunately they had kinda small fleet if you can call it that. I'm afraid the majority of it is alread yin the game

[vague token]

like biscuit/fdg/graf zepp

should work fine

with a retro spee/deutschland

and then juneau and optional

since ykk is replaced more or less by graf's 15% global reduc

you get a flex slot on that one

or run her anyways

[coral wren]

shark and spee should have some godlike skills in order to be relevant in cn/jp meta

[vague token]

xD

that's why i said shark retro to be like azuma

a Large Cruiser

so they can use the 310mm

and have a similar skill style

the 283mm is so much weaker it's not even funny

[sharp wing]

Graf Zepp actually was supposed to have sister ship in real, so there can be PR

But due to WoWs it won't happen

[vague token]

plus it isnt like the 283 has bad base stats

the problem is that it isnt a bb gun

so it has a limited angle

and the range is lower

so it cant even shoot at what the 310mm shoots at

very easily

a retro skill would just have to be like +5 range, unlimited angle, upgrade barrage

and maybe make them able to use shells to differentiate from azuma

xD

[coral wren]

That's funny tho how azuma broke the game by being a new standard everyone is looking up to, because she can chunk backline

[vague token]

i mean, it isnt really chunking as much as it is less wasted dps

[sharp wing]

You can fantasize all u want, but that's far from happening

[vague token]

it's still 55 base damage

he

on heavy armor

aka -30%

it's just that it's extremely flexible

you can shoot from anywhereeee

no angle limits

UNLIMITED POWERRRRR

but it's ok im a well known delusional person

i use sara

and say yeah she's good

;)

if only she could actually AIM

reee

[sharp wing]

Also Scharnhorst were 32k ton battlecruisers, don't see them as CBs in any way

[vague token]

i mean since when did retros have to make sense

xD

[coral wren]

They were raider ships, who were hunting cargos

[vague token]

yeah but i mean that doesnt really mean that much nowadays

[coral wren]

But considering their kda, i'm surprised they are so fucking average in this game

[vague token]

they gave leipzig a ramming skill and speed boost

is that even related to her history lol

[sharp wing]

That's one thing...

[coral wren]

Related to wows, ayy

[vague token]

like the base forms are historical

but retros dont have to be anymore

xD

[sharp wing]

Skill has few to do with anything

They didn't make her a BC

[vague token]

exactly

xD

[coral wren]

Eh, just imagine it's your naval base retrofits them all with modern standards of 21 century

[vague token]

so yeah large cruiser spee and deutschland plz and ty

with shell option

to boost synergy with them and biscuit

[sharp wing]

WDYM

[coral wren]

Buy gems, goy. And don't ask anything

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

eg let them equip the crit damage shell

so biscuit can boost that damage by giving them crit chance

xD

like "if equipped with a 283mm or higher caliber gun they may equip shells"

im kinda surprised that isnt a mechanic

[elder crane]

Idk if AL's spaghetti code can handle that

[vague token]

probably not

but im a dreamer

I ONLY SAY THINGS BECAUSE I CARE ABOUT THE GAME xD

and want it to be coooool

there's so many possibilities that are untapped even with just gear ;)

[vague token]

amagi just passed up sara xp xD

[shy hazel]

the code is spaghetti the devs are potatoes

no improvement for a v long time

its been three weeks

new ui is still bugged to the death

[sharp wing]

Roast the Potatoes

[vague token]

oh someone pushed

yey

[sharp wing]

Still ded

[lament lichen]

always ded

[sharp wing]

Even Aurora?

I actually expect summer vacation period to be pretty ded

[lament lichen]

im trying to fish for my 5th bonus

[sharp wing]

U gotta

[vague token]

i only have 2 bonuses cause i was doing lotta chores today

and work

x_X

this is why im a casual

[lament lichen]

i got 3 of my bonuses while shopping

[vague token]

xD

[lament lichen]

1 when i sent people on commissions

[vague token]

too bad google glass died we could AL on the go

and not have to risk people seeing that one loading screen

[odd schooner]

@trim horizon

[vague token]

wow

oof

[trim horizon]

lmao

[vague token]

who cares about tiny barrage damage when we get 100% crit rate

with the shells that dont exist yet

[finite valve]

[odd schooner]

Also in ALEC, for serious stuff al help, cn,jp
en is where ppl post memes that sometimes go way past degeneracy

Although some despise en people cause of that

Has someone tried Juneau Ykkz Eldridge vg for namaryuu offensive?

For mirror matches

[vague token]

no reason for me to do so since i got 110 saint louis

xD

[elder crane]

Eld is pretty eh
you end up catching every BB shot

[vague token]

she gets bonked by torps sometimes too

[sharp wing]

10 mins left, 9/10, ded lsit

Eld often doesn't last 20 sec for skill off CD

[vague token]

i mean 120 she should make it

[sharp wing]

And even if she last, RNG

She's really only good, when rained by planes bombs

[vague token]

hmm, does saint louis go beaver/washing machine

or do i move beaver to backline

and use washer with bulge

[sharp wing]

Depends if she tank

[vague token]

i mean shouldnt she always be tank and juneau mid since no bulge juneau usually dies first anyways?

minus weird luck

hmm

snuck in a bonus point just now

woo

[wicked rivet]

I almost forgot to exercise and I had 8 left

nice

[elder crane]

Jun lead is not survivable enough for now

120 might change that

[vague token]

[elder crane]

Either Louis lead or 2nd seems perfectly viable after 120 tomorrow

[sharp wing]

For offense she does fine for me

[vague token]

ive had multiply times where she dies waaaay too early on lead

not even against auroras

at least in mid she can be screened from big seven

[elder crane]

yeah, vs aurora even mid she dies kinda fast

[vague token]

so you dont waste it instantly

[elder crane]

luckily Louis laughs at Aurora

[vague token]

yeah xD

i could put RWG/Beaver on sara for memes

and do bulge/washer on louis

i dunno

not like she's gonna be 120 for a while

im at like 350k lol

2m to go

but at least my backline will be good soon i guess

then i can go more oil friendly

on 7-2

or something

[sharp wing]

commit oil unlife at 11-4 will full pvp fleet

[vague token]

im already doing that

it's weird because sometimes sara gets mvp

and im like

i dont understand

did 0 barrages trigger?

[sharp wing]

She is dual dive bomber cv

[vague token]

big nani

im using btd and fairey firefly xD

[sharp wing]

ohboi

try double helldivers

[vague token]

neverrrr

it's soooo slow in pvp and they dont boost her gun nor her dots

(which use 120% aviation apparently)

so having more stats is good

xD

[sharp wing]

their output alone

[vague token]

comes out too late

=(

[sharp wing]

try both and look at damage at end of battle, see if it makes much difference

[vague token]

ugh

that's woooork

;)

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

id actually use double firefly if it wasnt event only

[sharp wing]

Sun is high yet

[vague token]

has kinda neat stats for its speed

[sharp wing]

best aa after fulmar

smh

that's all it has to offer

[vague token]

na it has decent suicide damage

[sharp wing]

well, using bomber for suicide focus

[vague token]

i mean, dives have a tough time pushing damage onto flag

so it helps with that

[sharp wing]

2k bombs on helldivers has radius to hit flag and vg probably

[vague token]

that's rng based, suicide is 100% ;)

[sharp wing]

tiny suicide damage increase over big bomb damage lose

[vague token]

that's what the dots and guns are for

xD

if only the torpedos were line torps T_T

[sharp wing]

guns are a joke

[vague token]

but essex will solve that problem

i mean they can hit for around 250-350 on medium

when she hits someone

xD

[sharp wing]

something

birbs

fish

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

It's good, she doesn't shoot her feet

[vague token]

personally i prefer stuka just cause i like more chances to hit

rather than try for 1 big hit

[sharp wing]

3 vs 5 hits

stuka has more light armor raw damage

[elder crane]

the hitrate on smaller bombs is worse though

and ofc also smaller AoE

[vague token]

wait what

the accuracy of bombs is different?

[sharp wing]

wasn't it other way around

[vague token]

o.O

[sharp wing]

bigger less accurate

[elder crane]

the hard-bakes dispersion is different

larger bombs have more disp but also have a larger hit range

supposedly resulting in, well, there's a CN article on this

[vague token]

got a link? xD

[elder crane]

http://wiki.joyme.com/blhx/命中与BB的不寻常关系

[vague token]

wow

why would you design the bomb

that saturates the most area

to have the most base accuracy

like what even

[sharp wing]

lol

[elder crane]

apparently the hit radius is larger for larger bombs

so while they are more inaccurate, that offsets somehow

[vague token]

i mean yeah they have a larger aoe

but what is balance

when the BIGGEST aoe

[sharp wing]

explosion aoe depends on size ye

[vague token]

has the HIGHEST hit rate

[elder crane]

basically the devs didn't think it through

[vague token]

like

that is the opposite of how it should be

[elder crane]

AL devs
thinking things over carefully
pick one

[vague token]

that just further reinforces heccdiver lol

[elder crane]

(sure feels that way sometimes)

[vague token]

in fact on medium doesnt that make btd better than stuka lol

cause if you factor in hit rate

btd probably beats it cause 100 pound bombs have less accuracy and hit a smaller area

=///////

oh it's better on heavy too

apparently

according to that table

https://gyazo.com/042ea12963c182bda342b279e8c4aa7a

[elder crane]

PvP diff from PvE, I think that's PvE

[vague token]

i mean

[elder crane]

Also that doesn't account for other planes existing

just raw payload numbers imo more useful

[sharp wing]

Well, that clearly for PVE

[vague token]

yeah but the hit rates are all worse on pvp

[elder crane]

yeah but how much worse relatively?

could slightly shift rankings still

[vague token]

hold on lemme math

[elder crane]

also BTD still has consistency issues

though it does have more AP and is a bit faster than Ju

[vague token]

uh

the lower tier bomb

the bigger the penalty

to accuracy

in pvp

=///////

.599 vs .66 for 2k

is a smaller change

than say

.432 out of .52

on the 1k

so you get double nerfed

in pvp

[elder crane]

lol
I suppose that means BTD should be preferable over Ju on AKaga if you want a teeny bit faster launch

[sharp wing]

Just take it, Helldivers are BiS

[elder crane]

though still consistency issues ofc

maybe

[vague token]

ok i got it

it slows down a bit

but it still increases the gap

between big and smol

on every step

actually

the pvp vs pve on 2k is about 9%

difference in hit rate

not too bad

[elder crane]

wow yeah %-wise the gap gets larger on smaller bombs

[vague token]

11 on 1.6

15 on 1k

16 on 500

and 17 on 100

it's really bad to use smol bombs

like

[sharp wing]

Apparently small bobms won't hit for shit

[vague token]

wow

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

balance

[elder crane]

I suppose ship movement makes those numbers even worse

[vague token]

i dont even know what that is any more

xD

cause then you account for aoe size

[sharp wing]

And ships will move out of 100 lb bombs fast

[elder crane]

since movement affects smaller AoE more

[vague token]

and you just destroy 100 lb bomb hit rate

=/////

if this was inverted

i would understand

[sharp wing]

So Junkers pretty not viable for pvp, lol

[vague token]

junkers are zepp only

30% mod goes a long way

xD

[elder crane]

Nah even then per-launch is worse than SB2C on average

[sharp wing]

Zepp
pvp
pick 1

[vague token]

actually that only pushes light up

medium and heavy are still bad

although heavy doesnt usually have hit rate problems

for carriers

i guess

[elder crane]

for PvE more bombs means less chance of all payload on some prod stuff though

[vague token]

xD

[sharp wing]

For pve smol bombs only good on single target

boss without prod on screen

[vague token]

i mean in pve we dont have accuracy checks

so most of this is avoided

until 13

xD

i mean we do but it's w/e

level difference covers all the accuracy problems

[sharp wing]

llol

[vague token]

2% flat per level gap

so

guess ill run double btd

[sharp wing]

does lvl affect accuracy tho, i know it gives +2% damage and +2% damage reduction

[vague token]

it should according to combat wiki

level difference is in the formula

level is equally matched for luck

in the formula

so every level in your favor is like having another point of luck

[sharp wing]

looks like it

[vague token]

big oof

i have learned today

but this knowledge is a curse

burdened are we who are informed

xD

whelp time to find another btd

[elder crane]

yeah 0.1% hitrate and evarate per lv difference

which, incidentally, is why DDs are sooo much better with lv advantage and drop off a cliff as you hit level parity/disadvantage, usually

cause 0.1% evarate per level when you're in the 70s/80s on evarate is huge

[vague token]

xD

[lament lichen]

Do you guys remember how much gold it costs for lvl 120

[trim horizon]

lazy answer

[sharp wing]

TL;DR shitton

[vague token]

ow my gold

16k per ssr

[cerulean estuary]

im totally broke , might MLB only 2

and hold on / stop on research

[sharp wing]

I already stopped like 2 days to get 30k for dev unlock...

Now awakening too...

got 12 hrs free one now running, lol

I just realized Skk has 2/2/4 loadout, lol

[finite valve]

best bet is to just 115 then select your few anchor ship for 120

think i am going to max fox and amagi

[vague token]

if only ykk was 120 she could carry xD

[elder crane]

I've enough coin to break all but a SR, I think :3

[vague token]

oof

so close yet so far xD

[cerulean estuary]

just gotta save until sunday dailes to gain some more coins

[vague token]

guess ill do plate research

[cerulean estuary]

im doing it too as of now , and the long reaserach hrs with no gold req

just to save some coins

[ionic magnet]

Chill series

[finite valve]

if need be i can just sit out for 2 season

not like there anything worth in pvp zzz

[ionic magnet]

you overestimate pvp

very few can do 120 instantly im sure

[finite valve]

[ionic magnet]

swiftsure leek

[vague token]

uh

10% chance

wow

pretty meh since we're transitioning to CAs soon

[ionic magnet]

ikr

[vague token]

and only max 10% air reduction?

[ionic magnet]

these rng skills are getting out of hand

[vague token]

this is straight up for ch 13

where all of those will average out

cause evasion rate actually is useful in 13

since you're outleveled

which means you have hit penalties

she

she is hms right?

[ionic magnet]

yep

[vague token]

35 base crit rate is ok

no shell though

crit on non-shells is ehhh

i dunno what to feel

[ionic magnet]

gotta wait for stats first but rn shes kinda meh

[vague token]

yeah

imma guess she has sirius styled stats

can she use a dd gun?

might work with her evade debuff

[ionic magnet]

dang atleast give her good fp

[vague token]

xD

minotaur class

who are the other minotaurs

[ionic magnet]

minotaur?

wow sounds scary

[vague token]

that's her class on wikipedia

i dont think there are any other minotaurs

[ionic magnet]

yea first time i heard that

[vague token]

so no way to know her base stat approx

although the town class is all over the place lol

6 inch guns and 4 inch guns

are those cl? xD

or closer to DD

[ionic magnet]

how many mms are those lol

[vague token]

oh 4 inch was secondary on edinburgh

6 inch is definitely CL gun

belfast used 6 inch guns

152mm

[ionic magnet]

oh 4 inch is 101mm

6 inch is 152mm

[vague token]

oh ok

[ionic magnet]

easy google conversion

[vague token]

then maybe she can use both

swiftsure had 3 6 inch guns

and 5 4 inch guns

so she should be able to do both

[ionic magnet]

hmm so DD guns most likely

[vague token]

like sirius

[ionic magnet]

thats nice

[vague token]

yeah

good for her debuff

not good for her crit skill though

xD

at least without french gun

;)

🥖 we need these guns

[ionic magnet]

yea lol

mikasa and french events are the only ones remaining right?

[vague token]

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

i think so

but isnt mikasa a mini event?

[ionic magnet]

hmm yea kinda

so french event remaining then

unless they pull a rerun

[vague token]

i cant wait to go full efficiency for .01% drop rate french guns

or w/e they are

[zenith tundra]

if it would be 0.01% drop rate for gold bp u would need 150k kills for 1 equip

[vague token]

xD

[finite valve]

i rather have a low drop rate but get 1 complete gun than get bp then combine into 1 gun

[zenith tundra]

at least bp drops rate isnt that terrible

[shy hazel]

its gonna be hell if its as hard as vdir plane drop rates

lol

that is hell on earth

[charred sable]

Uses all 5 attacks in case maintenance goes over
Realizes missed 5 attacks somewhere along the way already...

[shy hazel]

no top ten for u this season

[charred sable]

It's only 3 days into the season... How and when did this even happen

[vague token]

the sleep

it is all consuming

[charred sable]

[vague token]

i need to sleep just waiting for research to finish

30 seconds

xD

[charred sable]

I blame cat

[vague token]

[charred sable]

Throwing my schedule off

[cerulean estuary]

i blame my home made sun dial

[vague token]

i got called in for early shift stuff otherwise id sleep later

xD

[cerulean estuary]

where gonna see lvl 120 pvp fleet . rawwrrrrr

[vague token]

oh

there's cuda bps in pr too

huh

[cerulean estuary]

yeah all the gold bp's are in the reasearch

[zenith tundra]

i already lost one while testing kms

[cerulean estuary]

even the gold cranes lol

[vague token]

ugh lots of gold research

i think ill just burn some cubes

[zenith tundra]

i was lucky with 8hr free research

[vague token]

nice

[cerulean estuary]

yeah me too

[charred sable]

I mistimed my research too

[vague token]

rip

oh wait there's a clear chapter 7 one

i can just let it go over night then wake up and do that

xD

all right night all o/

cya after 120 xD

[cerulean estuary]

juneau is most likely hard to quickly farm 2.3m exp ( mvp )

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/DFmn7/594eb8f3fe.png time to collect

wow I almost didn't collect cause I thought it would extend past event like most exchanges

[zenith tundra]

exchange is extended

it should be at least but dunno why it doesnt say in game

[hot creek]

well the shop extends past event as usual yeah

https://puu.sh/DFmph/8b0492fc48.png if this gives me at least three Nep BP, I can have both Nep and Monarch at dev level 25 after maint

monarch 120, nep 115

no fuel to level up nep more feelsbadman

I think im going to level Vicc to 120

maybe she'll be like a crappy Centaur

[elder crane]

Don't count on it

Hopefully centaur soon though

[hot creek]

60% less reload

[modern tree]

Viccy is a good enough boat for pve, dunno what you mean

[hot creek]

I dont know how fast that translates to because airstrike cooldown formulas scare me

[elder crane]

By that standard most stuff good enough for PvE

About 15% faster launch time multiplier than Vic

Vic is about 100 rld, right?

[hot creek]

about, yes.

[modern tree]

No, not really. She has ssr stats snd a skill that applies most things you want dead in pve. She's fine. CVs are not BBs that need to have a barrage or 30% damage increase straight up to even be useable

[elder crane]

100 vs 160 is in the formula 200 vs 260 which is 30% but halve that since it square roots (approx for small %)
Invert it, to about -15% (approx for small %)

Should be off no more than about 2% on that

[modern tree]

It's the same with Ark, she doesn't even have stats to carry her but double cuda loudout is really all she needs to be at least t1

For pve, mind. Pvp is tighter

[elder crane]

Ark has the support slow though, that's half of what makes her T1

If not more

I'd run ark often, even if she had standard loadout

Well, for PvE that is ofc

[coral wren]

Wow, they started maintenance 1 hour earlier?

[modern tree]

Double tb at 140% eff are really good, no matter if you are using them to shove torps into a boss or clear entire waves of enemies with cudas

[elder crane]

...no? (On maint)

[hot creek]

but can it clear waves of junueas and yukikazes

[elder crane]

Ehh, outside of the best-case scenarios she still doesn't outdamage better ships

I use her more often as a "slow the fuck down" to fast bosses

[modern tree]

I would say to try her on the ex stage, but event just ended

[elder crane]

So BBs can actually land shots and facetorping a lot easier

I did use her on EX

[hot creek]

no fuel for w12

[modern tree]

She can easily beat the fight alone

[elder crane]

She didn't outdamage Nagato or Dork there with damage loadout, unless she had good RNG and they had bad RNG

[shy hazel]

luckiest flexers gonna farm and brag choukai

[elder crane]

I just ran half-speed so Dork/Nagato would consistently land shots

[modern tree]

Nagato with 0 ijn boats

Nice

[shy hazel]

6hours after maint ends

[elder crane]

Wait you mean the easy farmed EX don't you

On that one Enty outdoes ark

[shy hazel]

u mean

[modern tree]

I used Amagi with tirp gun, dunno why I'd want Nagato

[elder crane]

I thought you meant EX EX mode

[shy hazel]

ppl actually use,ark?

[elder crane]

You use Nagato there for her barrage

[modern tree]

Her barrage is bad modifiers vs heavy armour

And 40%

[elder crane]

Still does the most of anything not Monarch iirc

And low-% is w/e for EX EX

Cause you just reset for good RNG anyways, and it's not like you're trying to chain RNGer

40% ain't that low

[modern tree]

Actually no clue why wouldn't you just run Amagi, but I have no way to test now

[elder crane]

Amagi does less dmg, I was originally planning on going for score

But then came to my senses

Plus I'm not good enough to run torpteam in Bis EX anyways so rip getting top ranks anyways

[modern tree]

Explain to me how 40% barrage with bad armour modifiers does more damage than 70% barrage with decent ones

You do have to gamble for a while to beat the average

[elder crane]

When your mods mean 1/3 less multiplier but your base is over 2X stronger, that's how

Plus getting high score in EX is all about resetting for good RNG past a point

[modern tree]

224 base damage shells

[elder crane]

2k chevrons+5.5k wide spread (tbf most of the wide spread misses) for Nagato
Vs <2k total on relevant parts for amagi
Plus Nagato's offensive boost

Monarch should probably be the best option damage-wise, and has that slow to boot, but I don't have her up yet

Oh whoops I undersold Nagato, vs heavy the barrage mods are 0.7/0.8 on Nagato vs 0.9 on amagi, which isn't quite as bad as what I said earlier

Ofc neither hold a candle to Monarch, I think, with her 1.2 and 120% FP on her 2k base barrage that also slows

Though without having tried her there, there could be problems with Monarch I'm not seeing

[zenith tundra]

wc ships got added to perma it seems on jp

[zenith tundra]

shouldnt she be medal exchange like en?

or she just wasnt added out of spite

[shy hazel]

i see monarch barrage on bb nodes

she retarded

if only that barrage procs alot

its feels rare tbh

[midnight heron]

time to die

[coral wren]

Noone pushes. yeah, ok

[midnight heron]

cant wait to see 120 yukis evade everything and laugh in my face

[burnt ice]

why does ur rank sometimes drop in pvp even when u fighting the left most(highest one)

[midnight heron]

cuz ppl ahead of u did pvp same time as u

either dat or u didnt refresh ur pvp list before fighting

[burnt ice]

probably the 2nd situation then, since I dont do all of them together

[stark raft]

Time to 120 my HMS

Queen loli needs more exp though

[midnight heron]

its eating all my coin ahhh

[coral wren]

same

[stark raft]

idk if I should 120 bel

since I don't use her much

[grim ember]

Should i be replacing bel? And no i hav no jintsuu

[midnight heron]

mamagi is da only one who can break 115 lul

[stark raft]

maybe better to level my main pvp ships instead of 120 em

I don't see foxes anymore so I don't bother using bel

[midnight heron]

idk if i shud mindbreak bel or sheffield 🤔

[stark raft]

same

since I have nep to 120

[coral wren]

oh man, yukishit is going to be annoying as fuck

[stark raft]

I have meme barrage atm so yuki not a problem

[coral wren]

meme barrage?

[stark raft]

Amagi Monarch Hood with hoodguns

whoever melts their 1v1 first gets the awakening chips

[coral wren]

I wonder if we will see more wasd with port kai and sanrui

[stark raft]

with the eva buff?

[midnight heron]

time to bulli lvl 110 ships before ppl catch up kek

[coral wren]

Ye

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/DFpQm/8ef93b0a68.png provisional defense fleet lul

[midnight heron]

im scared

[burnt ice]

people alr awaken ships to 115 in pvp
meanwhile, me:

[midnight heron]

i pray i never need to face u

[burnt ice]

wait I thought max was lvl 117/118 or smth

for the whole 3M

[stark raft]

It's liek 2.4m to 120 from 110

[midnight heron]

pretty much same exp as 1-110 iirc

[shy hazel]

only got enuf gold and xp

[trim horizon]

[shy hazel]

to 120 nagaama

all others low exp

i guess i grind in pvp

how to grind hiryu

[midnight heron]

game is fking trolling me man

[coral wren]

If only pvp exp could accumulate

[midnight heron]

just did a UL research, since i got no money i refresh to get a C, end up with another UL LOL

and its da same UL no less

pvp does let you gain exp u just gotta mindbreak ur ships

[coral wren]

120 monarch one shoting enemy bcs, lel

[shy hazel]

why u name so weird now

[hot creek]

I am really tempted to tap into my mail oil reserves.

[gritty cove]

Saving your oil for Azur lane 2

[wicked rivet]

azur lane 2 is just the crimson axix

[sharp wing]

Azur lane 2 = Abyss Horizon

Savage.

At least KC has not trash Nagato

inb4 AL loli Yamato

KC is one of games, you cannot recommend, but will always come back to

[zenith tundra]

that's all i could do

[hot creek]

not a bad deal

[trim horizon]

btw retard question, does killing plane count in the kill counter at the end ?

[zenith tundra]

and dmg to planes is counted at the end

[trim horizon]

thanks, I had some doubts lel

I don't check very much the stat at the end

I feel so stoopid now

[ionic magnet]

not enough coins

[elder crane]

just enough coin for PvP fleet and no one else

[sharp wing]

Built AA radar just in time for ch12 IJN i guess...

[zenith tundra]

sandy doing her job for me

btw is this nerfed w12?

[shell heron]

having a whole PvP fleet at 120 already

[ionic magnet]

gensui rush gonna be hell

[zenith tundra]

so we need w13 to see a plane hell

what there is in 12-3?

[ionic magnet]

12-3 boss is the hardest they say

[zenith tundra]

2 cv boss guess makes sense

[ionic magnet]

yea saw a vid of that

[elder crane]

lots of bullets....
sounds like eld/lusty strats might be nice

or just run good ole chinaball, maybe?

[zenith tundra]

i think i'll use belfast yukikaze sandy/sirius

[ionic magnet]

chinaball should still be best at tanking

and maybe add ykkz

[zenith tundra]

not when they are lvl 85 without retro

i'll use hiryuu akaga

[ionic magnet]

yea mine are still 90ish lol

[zenith tundra]

i'll try auto 1st

[sharp wing]

Time to bring out NC

Isuzu any1?

For nerfed ch12 that's too extreme anyway

[zenith tundra]

swiftsure looks like an interesting aa boat

with sandy kai might be just enough to melt planes

[sharp wing]

isuzu technically has higher AA dps, than Sandy Kai

Wonder what they did to Curacoa/Curlew retroes

[zenith tundra]

how is that possible?

[sharp wing]

AA+1

There was chart on jp or cn wiki

Isuzu w/ her 2 AA mounts has higher aa performance, than Sandy Kai

[zenith tundra]

she looks trash at anything else tho

[sharp wing]

She is just Rare bote

[zenith tundra]

120 fp says a lot

[sharp wing]

Oh, curacoa/curlew retro already on wiki

[zenith tundra]

even so sandy feet wide aa buff should be more worth

[sharp wing]

Their AA remains shit

[lament imp]

Mmm who should I fill my last vanguard with? Using nagato, amagi, hiryuu back. Yukikaze and belfast vang

All the jeebus

[zenith tundra]

idk seems reliable to me in w12

[lament imp]

Give her pearl or someone else?

Mmmm so front bel, juneau back, nano mid?

[zenith tundra]

idk why people bother saying anything bad about sandy when she is insanely more useful then isuzu can ever be without a retro. even if aa is better aa doesn't kill bosses

[lament imp]

Juneau mid waaaaah

Hmmmkie I will try tq

[zenith tundra]

juneau mid only works on defense. idk what would require ur juneau to die after main fleet

[sharp wing]

On offense, i use Junie tank

otherwise she often dies late

[zenith tundra]

the only comp worth using her off tank against is mirror namaryuu

[ionic magnet]

depends when youre up against torp memes

[zenith tundra]

torp memes for non namaryuu comps don't matter. u stomp everything

[ionic magnet]

jun can easily die from opening torps

[sharp wing]

meme called meme for a reason

[zenith tundra]

u might have worst problem if namaryuu looses to torp memes

[ionic magnet]

we're only talking abt juneau right?

[zenith tundra]

and he asked for namaryuu

https://discordapp.com/channels/456397991847395339/516951413411020819/588749606523764768

[ionic magnet]

yea and hes asking for jun position

[zenith tundra]

for namaryuu no reason to use juneau anything but tank unless is mirror

[ionic magnet]

saying jun mid only works for defense isnt true

[zenith tundra]

my juneau lives as off tank too much

sometimes even never dies

[sharp wing]

Sje even survives as tank at times, lol

[zenith tundra]

why would mid be any better

[ionic magnet]

she can die too early when she got hit by a lot of torps especially when against aurora jintsuu aya/ykkz

thats when mid is better

[sharp wing]

Mid catches sometimes even more torps

[zenith tundra]

i already said it but losing against non mirror means u miss positioned or just got worse possible rng

[elder crane]

ehh, mid actually takes more than "off-tank" usually anyways since you're sacking your lead

[ionic magnet]

sometimes

[elder crane]

plus if you have issues wit Jun living too much just slap more engines on her

2 engine Juneau mid seems to work quite well for timing on offense

[ionic magnet]

yea gears can easily adjust juns hp

[zenith tundra]

ur using sheffiled tho

[elder crane]

Bel should be worse for protecting Jun in the mirror

so just adjust more

[zenith tundra]

ok let me recap what i'm saying because i need to explain it every 2 secs it seems.
juneau tank for non mirror comps
juneau off tank for mirror

[sharp wing]

Just use meme def fleet to make every1 happy

[elder crane]

you mean akagi-chan?

[sharp wing]

[elder crane]

idk why you even bother worrying about offense non-mirror as Namayuu

[zenith tundra]

if u lose against non mirror either u have really bad luck or miss positioned

[elder crane]

so far have literally had to reset like once vs non-mirror since I started running that

and for defense vs anything out right now Jun should never be optimal in tank position

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/DFule/544cb84e70.png PogChamp

[sharp wing]

wtf

[modern tree]

The power of losing sleep to get your researches with no downtime

[elder crane]

and not being 0 on res cause the event is trolling you

[sharp wing]

24/7 coins farm and research spam

and whale for cubes maybe

[hot creek]

and cubes and luck

[sharp wing]

We need cubes as map drop

[elder crane]

Shiranui says, "no"

[sharp wing]

[elder crane]

I spent something like 550 cubes hunting for 556
to get that border (and be able to complete all the secretary missions)

that's where all my cubes/coin went

[sharp wing]

Well, Bismrack was worst luck of event builds for me, but i only spent 180 or 190 cubes

usually i get ships just with daily 3x quests

But border rush + bad RNG

[elder crane]

on the bright side the free missions give a lot of PR equip bps I suppose, I've a number of those completed

I got border with 1/2 day to spare

[modern tree]

I am glad that Maryland has taught me that chasing purple ships in banners is a complete waste of time.

[sharp wing]

I spent 800+ cubes in light for Aurora before wishing tho... Got her w/ 2 cubes from wishing

[modern tree]

Now I am completely zen and also forever missing both her and Ashigara

[elder crane]

ehh I wanted that chat border
and having a incomplete secretary missions set will piss me off

Only missing limited ship is now White Heart for me

[sharp wing]

I'm missing 0 atm

[modern tree]

Ashigara has a quest and sometimes I am bothered by it, but then I look at my pile of cubes and stop caring about a shitty meme ship I'd never use

[sharp wing]

The previous bad luck was for me Harutsuki

[elder crane]

I pulled her kimono from the pack so I hunted her regardless

Nowaki 3rd worst for me in terms of the limited

[modern tree]

The deepest I had to roll was Sheff, but let's be honest, I needed her

[sharp wing]

Nut that was only 50-60 cubes

[modern tree]

What am I if not a king of England

[elder crane]

White heart was iirc 200+ cubes with no sign of her
Nowaki I missed first time around
and fricken 556 ffs took me 550 cubes

[sharp wing]

Slave of England

[elder crane]

I pulled, was it 12 or 14? u73 before her
even pulled 3 KGV

[sharp wing]

I pulled KGV from few 1st cubes

[elder crane]

4 bismarcks and 4 Hoods though which is funny

[sharp wing]

I sold her shop dupe for medals

[elder crane]

yeah, I got KGV before bismarck too

[sharp wing]

Still above 20 purins after MLBing kgv and Bis w/ no dupes

[elder crane]

I'm just lbing rando SRs to free up dock space
though idk how long that will be put off now with 120 out

[sharp wing]

My dock is crying

[elder crane]

no coins for the forseeable future

[sharp wing]

I only have PoW not MLB SR

For obvious reasons XD

[elder crane]

For me just Monty and some collab event trash

[sharp wing]

[elder crane]

Monty cause I'll be pulling in light for a loooong time on dalies

[sharp wing]

Looking at my purins, i LB everything

Also accounting merit storage

[elder crane]

it feels wrong to waste them like that
I buy all the gold boxes/cubes in merit shop so my merit stock isn't that large

also I tend to buy rando things in medal shop too

[sharp wing]

I buy only boxes and cubes for last like 3 seasons

I buy purins in medal shop on sight... Might stop doing that

[elder crane]

Yeah, no point, just use some of that fat merit stockpile if you need purins

[sharp wing]

And we get at least one in 2 weeks there, usually more often

[hot creek]

these days I only buy cubes from merit shop

[elder crane]

I buy the gold books and sometimes some aux/gun plates from medal shop these days

[sharp wing]

same

I buy gold bps from shop

and gold books obviously

[elder crane]

then cubes/gboxes from merit, also purin/bulin if I need it

ehh I've enough of gold retrobps stocked to retro pretty much every retro that will be coming so idk if it's really needed anymore

[sharp wing]

Well, i only bought Cruiser ones

[elder crane]

49/70/34/43 on DD/C/BB/CV

with every retro out already done

[sharp wing]

My 7-2 luck was pretty bad

[elder crane]

I got 4 gold bps from 7-2 one day
two single drops and a double

[sharp wing]