pvp

[shy hazel]

err no

[elder crane]

and complete prologue/intro

[shy hazel]

i didnt even choose

[finite valve]

@zenith tundra i see you are a man of culture al well

[hidden wyvern]

https://i.imgur.com/laPpeZm.jpg

[shy hazel]

outright ignored it

[finite valve]

then SS it for him lel

[zenith tundra]

i did the prologue like 20 times on jp so no thanks

[finite valve]

?

what for?

[zenith tundra]

account reroll

[finite valve]

lel

[zenith tundra]

for nagato build

[elder crane]

filthy reroller here

[finite valve]

wait nagato is perm?

[zenith tundra]

didn't work btw

[shy hazel]

nop

was nagato event

[finite valve]

oh

[shy hazel]

i got nagato in jp

[zenith tundra]

at the time for event rerun

[shy hazel]

then i quit jp

[elder crane]

it's standard practice for most gatcha games tbf

[shy hazel]

even got i13

lol

[elder crane]

Same, both those and JB in CN for me

oh not that sub, I quit before that

[finite valve]

well if you talking about rare roll shit then yeh

[shy hazel]

pain to play 2 versions

its same anyways

[finite valve]

you can farm in AL

so a reroll is not worth it

[zenith tundra]

too bad en sucks more

[finite valve]

unless you want a quick OP shit from event

[shy hazel]

k i go now

ciao

[elder crane]

the amount of time needed for reroll too much anyways I think

[finite valve]

[ionic magnet]

[zenith tundra]

i would've played jp from nagato event if i got her back then

[elder crane]

you're better off just farming, you get a ton of cubes early on anyways

[finite valve]

you can open 4 windows to speed up

[elder crane]

I pulled Nagato last date of event on CN

[zenith tundra]

i just spent a lot of time on a sunday morning running 2 emus at the same time

[elder crane]

oh, the multi-account thing, that's kinda legit tbf

[finite valve]

tbh i don't really care for EN trashlation to even bother playing on JP or CN

[elder crane]

better than being able to read nothing

[finite valve]

as for behind content i am perfectly fine playing on 2 footing

[elder crane]

I prefer the more immersion in EN

[finite valve]

can just move to the next OP shit w/o need to test it myself

[elder crane]

plus we get advance view of stuff

[finite valve]

win win in my case

same bro

[elder crane]

just like why EN PaD was so nice

you already know what to invest in and what to skip

and you could preprepare for OP shit

[zenith tundra]

read what? spammers in chat that want to lick ships?

[elder crane]

like if we didn't know about retros, how many of us would invest in Sandy/Warspite?

[wicked rivet]

do you not want to lick ships?

[finite valve]

reading general chat in any game is your first mistake young padawon

[wicked rivet]

why are you even playing

[zenith tundra]

i had 100 ws from beginning of game due to hms pvp

[finite valve]

in all games i ignore general chat

[elder crane]

I've her now 120-ready and 200 aff

[finite valve]

i only read guild chat or market chat period

[elder crane]

warspite that it

[finite valve]

general chat is just a no go zone

more so if it is a world chat

[zenith tundra]

my ws is still 100 and she would stay like that till after sandy retro

[elder crane]

I didn't get things set up early enough for the initial PvP with WS though

I just ran her whenever farming easier content

[finite valve]

going to get her to 120 once i finish all the current EN meta shit

VG farm going to be fucking hell

zzz

[wicked rivet]

wait I just looked at room1 and saw someone talking about feeder fetish

what the fucl

im going bac to r4

[finite valve]

[modern tree]

I wonder if 120 will make Amagi tanky enough to survive 2 barrages from Monarch, cuz I am in trouble if it will

[zenith tundra]

if someone puts washing machine on her she might be able to

[wicked rivet]

Or beaver

[sharp wing]

Not like magi will scratch much Monarch in return

[elder crane]

inb4 monarch timing can hit 3rd barrage into rudder skill

[modern tree]

Currently I am just wiping this meme because Monarch deals 1100 damage per shell and Amagi sinks even if she's healed by Juneau

[wicked rivet]

Dev25?

[modern tree]

Not even

[wicked rivet]

Huh

[modern tree]

I am destined to finish Ibuki first despite focusing on Monarch and Nep

[sharp wing]

[modern tree]

Cuz rng is a bitch

[wicked rivet]

My buki almost dev25

[sharp wing]

Did u convert to monarch?

[wicked rivet]

And she gonna be a tank after that

[sharp wing]

I'm at average 55 bp without convertion ,lol

[wicked rivet]

Sounds aboot right

[modern tree]

I converted everything I have to Monarch, i have almost 90 Ibuki prints

Kill me

[sharp wing]

Wow, that's a lot RNG

[wicked rivet]

90

Gimme

[sharp wing]

My RNG goes to Roon, even i dun work on her

[modern tree]

It's not even small sample size anymore

Been doing it since pr started

[sharp wing]

71 Roon bps not even started Dev

[wicked rivet]

Mine are all even around 60ish

[sharp wing]

I mostly do non coins projects now tho

[modern tree]

One day my Monarch will be 25

[sharp wing]

[wicked rivet]

U got this

[sharp wing]

1 day QE will get OP retro

[wicked rivet]

[modern tree]

She doesn't seem to really need it

I didn't believe in her at first but she legit just sinks Amagi in 2 bareages and on average you can take like 4 shots in the matchup

[sharp wing]

I actually like 2 sg Amagi VS sg+hs fcr Amagi fights

[modern tree]

If vg can hold out till Hood procs Hiryuu, you win

[sharp wing]

1 shoots faster but sinks faster too

[modern tree]

Fcr is a lot of firepower for her 224 base damage barrage shells

[sharp wing]

I'd do rudder + fcr but not s g + fcr, sunk ship deals 0 damage

[stark raft]

I have dev 26 momarch if you want me to shoot at some amagis

[modern tree]

It's kinda stupid that 381 and fcr end up being better on her just because the barrage shells have so much base damage

I don't need you to test anything for me. I have done extensive testing on Monarch and 25 is mostly important cuz its like 2k hp in pvp

Sides to stat boosts

She's doing absolutely fine without thst

But I have to run ykkz

Otherwise she loses to Amagi without this extra tank stats

[sharp wing]

I mean, if you put her vs Amagi, Amagi have really hard time vs heavy armor

BC vs BC

coinflip

[modern tree]

Like I said, Monarch deals 1100+ damage per barrage shell on medium armour

At this moment in time

[sharp wing]

Not really meme

on offesne such shit works good

like namagi Enty

[coral wren]

Damn top1 is a lvl67. Ik it just started but still

[modern tree]

She has room to grow with bunch of dev levels and 200 affection

[sharp wing]

Monarch is waifu, even if she would be trash anyway

[coral wren]

I wonder if monarch should carry 410 twin

Btw one battle with mvp gives .125 affection right

👌

[modern tree]

In the end I will be the only person playing HMS cuz it won't be good enough to just drop free wins with Namagi, even if you win the matchup without breaking a sweat

[coral wren]

Does someone have a link for the cn tierlist?

i think someone posted it above

[modern tree]

I see why

[sharp wing]

Just go NamaKaga then

[modern tree]

You need ijn frontline that isn't ykkz

[coral wren]

I saw someone using monarch jean bart and wskai and it was op

[modern tree]

You would also do Monarch vs Amagi and Amagi vs Hiryuu probably

Cuz armour matchups

[sharp wing]

Any BB withstands Amagi np

I usually washi vs Amagi

[modern tree]

I don't really get why timed barrages are also chance based. Rng should exist to discourage using shit gun just so you can proc faster, but for Wash it makes 0 sense

[sharp wing]

Well

[modern tree]

Wash and KGV

[sharp wing]

Imagine KGV 7 sec barrages

[wicked rivet]

Namanarch with ibuki/juneau/yuki

[modern tree]

#game design

I mean, KGV barrage is set on 24 seconds but also has 30% chance to not work

[sharp wing]

Guaranteed timed skills have fcking long ass timers, like 30 sec 1st launch

[modern tree]

It's a genuinely bad design cuz it accomplishes nothing but making you feel bad for being unlucky

[sharp wing]

At least timed 70% better, than on shot 30-50%

[wicked rivet]

Cause its designed for pve

[modern tree]

Like I said, it makes sense for gun based barrages, so you have a choice between using shit gun and dealing no damage but barraging often, or normal gun and treat barrage as extra

[elder crane]

yeah, I've stopped pushing for KGV cause the whole point of her for PvE is the timings

[sharp wing]

She is very consistent for PVE

[elder crane]

but if you miss a 70% that's a massive gap of no damage

[sharp wing]

But pvp too slow barraging

[elder crane]

nah, not really that reliable

[finite valve]

well at least she is cute

i give her that at least

[elder crane]

she seems like she should with the timings, but it the 70% part lets her down

[sharp wing]

She is bae

[modern tree]

Stuff like Washing just make me feel bad from design perspective

[elder crane]

the whole point of PvE KGV is to have as little spacing between damage bursts as possible

but then missing a 70% is terrible

at least Wash doesn't suffer as much from that

[sharp wing]

Wash suffer from little things, aside from using DD guns

And then that AP SK DD works fine too for intercept

[modern tree]

Cuz wash would not be any better or worse if you removed rng, it just wouldn't feel like shit when you miss multiple in a row. And not like getting them is your gamer triumph moment

[elder crane]

DD secondaries and still a large gap until her first set of damage

yeah, Nagato at least has that "you are already dead" feel to her barrage

[sharp wing]

I miss 3 barrages w/ Nagato 80% of time too tho...

[wicked rivet]

nagato is 40%

tho

[sharp wing]

yes

But 80% of fights it's 0 barrages

[elder crane]

missing a 70% when going for EX is suuuuper annoying
getting a 40% on the other hand feels great

all psychology

[modern tree]

But you control rng in gun based bareages with your equipment

Which is fine

[sharp wing]

As i said 70% timed more reliable, than 30-50% on shot

[modern tree]

You can't control time

[coral wren]

Well you shouldnt be relying too much on barrages

Its just rng

[sharp wing]

Well, whole pvp is about barrages

[elder crane]

well, it does make you think more on gun selection
but... idk if it's all that diff gameplay-wise

[modern tree]

It is just rng, but gun based makes it a choice and time based makes you feel like shit

[sharp wing]

Just yr perspective

[elder crane]

nah the 70%ers can be relied upon as long as you don't lean on them too much

[sharp wing]

Don't lean on Hood barrage ok

[elder crane]

like, 4 whiffs of a 70%er in a row is sub 1%, I'd take those odds

nah like don't set your fleets up so they can't handle missing 1-2 barrages

[sharp wing]

lol

[elder crane]

if you need perfect barrage activations for the fleet to work, it doesn't work

[sharp wing]

Don't run any barrageboats then

[finite valve]

like when my amagi failed to proc 2 barrage in a roll while their nagato manage to proc both?

[elder crane]

unless you're in EX or some shit

[finite valve]

seem legit

[elder crane]

take that 1% to happen and move on

[finite valve]

i stop caring about RNG and just say fuck it and reset

[elder crane]

it's just 1%, feels kinda bad but doesn't actually matter

[finite valve]

lel

[sharp wing]

lmao

half pvp matches u get yr nagato 0 barrages

[elder crane]

Nah that's just salt talking, and confirmation bias

don't take your own salt seriously

[sharp wing]

that how you end ryuu vs ryuu

[elder crane]

I end Hiryuu on Hiryuu well under 10% of the time

vs the actually good fleets

it feels bad when it happens, but don't kid yourself in thinking it's common

[modern tree]

From game design perspective, it's good rng if you give player control over it, and bad if you don't. I am just saying that timed barrages give you no control, which feels bad, and gun based gives you a degree of control, which is a marginal difference, but it is your choice to gamble on your dps with a faster gun, which might also feel bad, but you could have used a better gun

[elder crane]

fair enough, personally equip choices and gameplay though I don't associate that closely

[sharp wing]

For me it is common for Naga to miss all barrages

[elder crane]

again, don't take your own salt and biases seriously
if you do, this sorta stuff isn't for you really

[sharp wing]

lol

It's not just me

[coral wren]

Do you aim for top 1

If not why does it matter so much

[modern tree]

I just like being mindful of design mistakes so I don't make them myself : )

[sharp wing]

It doesn't matter for top1 lol

you can top1 with any comp

Just reliability and QoL

[coral wren]

No i mean it doesnt have to be perfect

[sharp wing]

Nothing is perfect

[coral wren]

Sadly xd

[sharp wing]

Perfect world would be hella sad

[coral wren]

Why lol

[wicked rivet]

50% barrage procs is fine

[modern tree]

This chat will be dead in the water if we just shrug and tell ourselves "why even optimise"

[coral wren]

I never said that

[modern tree]

I exaggerate to make a point

Excuse me

[sharp wing]

If you just need a tierlist to do pvp, this jsut indeed not needed

[finite valve]

have a discussion with a guy rely to my rely which is already around 2 3h

questioning wtf i was talking about

when i am here asking if he is high or unable to read english

gg.com

[wicked rivet]

I can be high and able to understand shit

I usually am high tbh

[finite valve]

is in #trophy-room you can go read it right now

guy is high af

[sharp wing]

[wicked rivet]

yea I cant read that shit

[sharp wing]

Get high 1st

[vague token]

o.O

[finite valve]

and now he deleted his post

fucking retarded

gg.com

both high and retard

[coral wren]

Ye i saw him deleting it xd

[finite valve]

yeh if mod ping me due to some stupid shit i just tell them to re read the log

guy is retard

[sharp wing]

Well, there a big hating ball towards ALO mods from community

[coral wren]

Pls dont use that word

You will get in trouble

[sharp wing]

lol

[finite valve]

[coral wren]

I had a fight like 2-3 days ago for that reason

[finite valve]

[coral wren]

Got warned for the 3rd time :/

[sharp wing]

I wouldn't care much, if i get banned tbh

I only read news here and this channel

[coral wren]

Well you already know the game

What if i want to ask for help and im banned

[sharp wing]

Go to community discord and ask there

TBH their help channel more competent, than ALO one

[finite valve]

i think most guru stay in both channel

[coral wren]

Lol i didnt join the comm one xd im dumb

[finite valve]

lel

[sharp wing]

That's what i'm talking bout

[finite valve]

well since most guru stay in check with each other you can just ask one of them and they will check with their hive mind

so not really a problem

[sharp wing]

I mean, ALO guru is different species

[vague token]

they have a hive mind?

xD

[sharp wing]

[finite valve]

well ofc since they are not verify server

[sharp wing]

Ofc, since we would have ppl from jp/cn there

[finite valve]

discord verify got stupid rules to keep it going

yep

sadly JP CN don't care much about pvp

so hard to get a discussion going

lel

[vague token]

to be fair, al barely cares about pvp ;)

[sharp wing]

well

[modern tree]

nani

[sharp wing]

look at amount of ppl in this club

[vague token]

oh just noticed

lol

[coral wren]

Oh i just noticed lol

[sharp wing]

Savage.

Nolyfe is stronk in this 1

[coral wren]

Damn lvl 100 and 94

[sharp wing]

my main is 94 lol

[coral wren]

Thats ducking hard

[finite valve]

you can farm both at once

so i don't see why not

[sharp wing]

I mean, you have to actually Farm Both

[modern tree]

just use nox scripts to farm lmao

[finite valve]

unless RNG fuck with you

you can just auto both

[sharp wing]

I always auto

pixel reading mouse bots is way too much

[coral wren]

The com server has a help room right

[sharp wing]

yes

[coral wren]

Ok ima join then

[sharp wing]

mouse bots is a thing for many browser game leaderboard farmings...

[coral wren]

Cuz y not

[finite valve]

cus ppl are not being police by mods

[sharp wing]

Same for Emu

[lament lichen]

just dont go to en general

[sharp wing]

Never go to general

[finite valve]

if i want to ask shit i go to JP or CN general

[coral wren]

Are the mods there strict?

[sharp wing]

pretty lax

[lament lichen]

not really

just that you cant say some words and they just warn you

[sharp wing]

They often get in questionable convos too xD

[finite valve]

unless you bring racial religion or threat to discord

they don't care tbh

also don't post loli or gore

[coral wren]

Ofc i wont do anything bad

[lunar veldt]

just follow guro's advice and you will be fine

dude knows his shit

[coral wren]

I just dont want to be warned for pretty much no reason

Whos guro

👌

[finite valve]

they goes as community contributors tho

[lunar veldt]

the guy who's equipment guide is used by almost everyone

https://github.com/guroteske/al-guides

[finite valve]

tfw a rainbow gun is worse than a gold one

not like anyone have that rainbow gun anyway lel

[sharp wing]

50 bps...

scaling went wrong there

[finite valve]

[sharp wing]

On top of probably ridiculous enhancement reqs too

[finite valve]

tbh aside from some PR gun i already know most of the tier of the general gun anyway

good for newbie

not much for vet

i say the mat is going to be around any other rainbow shit

so around 234 purple?

[sharp wing]

[lunar veldt]

probably

[coral wren]

Whats witch hunting?

[lunar veldt]

well it is definitely better than using aux plates

[coral wren]

Its in the rules

[finite valve]

name calling basically

[coral wren]

👌

[finite valve]

just that you lync them on top of calling them out

[coral wren]

Btw i always run out of blue general parts. Does someone else have thw same problem?

[sharp wing]

Same

[finite valve]

just farming tbh

farm farm till you drop

[coral wren]

I have more than 1k from the others and like 5 general atm

[sharp wing]

I mean, Al is just my side game

[finite valve]

what's your main?

[sharp wing]

I have only 19k attacks since september

[finite valve]

GFL?

[sharp wing]

My main are not mobile games

[finite valve]

oh

i don't play MMO

no game i like atm

[sharp wing]

I have few mobile sidegames

Well, i play a lot of single player pc games

Much more, than mobile

[vague token]

AL is for when im not playing MHW, GW2, or whatever

[stiff phoenix]

AL is everyone side game

[vague token]

xD

no

[stiff phoenix]

it doesnt really competitive

[vague token]

donald trump mains the game

[sharp wing]

Not really

[vague token]

;)

[sharp wing]

Some ppl nolyfe AL

Even on non competitive servers

[stiff phoenix]

you can no-life it as side game

[sharp wing]

That's not about pvp msot of the time tho

[stiff phoenix]

like you dont even need to be there while you grind

people auto most of the time

so its not really no-lifing

[sharp wing]

even for auto...

[stiff phoenix]

how?

it's just enter battle

and wait

lol

[sharp wing]

ppl check back in game each minute for half day

[stiff phoenix]

while doing something else

like work

or school

so they're actually doing their routine

[sharp wing]

You cannot really work like that

[stiff phoenix]

just checking in to enter battle

depends on ur work

[sharp wing]

sounds like Neet

[stiff phoenix]

?

how many type of jobs do you really know lol

for instance, secretary jobs really just sit on helpdesk

waiting for meeting or instructions

even during meeting

you could just enter battle

like i still play while driving

since i dont really need to look on my phone

[sharp wing]

I wouldn't dare to play game during meeting dood

[stiff phoenix]

it's no difference than doing smth else on ur phone

[sharp wing]

or use phone in general

[finite valve]

zack and stella both play during meeting lel

at least zack is

[sharp wing]

lol

[finite valve]

dk if stella do tho

as for game i main AL atm

going to side sinoalice and arknights once they release on NA

[sharp wing]

i dun like sinoalice gameplay

[finite valve]

MMO there not really much in the market atm

going to side those game so not really a problem

thing to do on the side

instead of looking at discord

[wicked rivet]

depends on the meeting

[sharp wing]

doing few gachas at same time is ... meh

[wicked rivet]

sometimes its okay to play

[finite valve]

hey if you not spending money

why not lel

[vague token]

cant check AL when AT nergigante is gonna murder me in 1 hit

;)

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

also why i take losses sometimes xD

start a match

then go into game

oh died

xD

[modern tree]

Have you tries using Hiryuu instead of Saratoga

[sharp wing]

Don't sway him on the dark side

he is warrior of light

[modern tree]

I am the last person you should trust for advice tbh, I keep telling everyone HMS wins majority of their games

[sharp wing]

Also every time it goes Ryuu vs Ryuu i auto restart

I really don't like that IJN RNG

[coral wren]

try hms rng

[sharp wing]

Keep returning to my WasdA

[vague token]

ill swap to hiryuu when kai comes out

[sharp wing]

In a year

[vague token]

until then ill use sara, then essex

because i like muh dots

[modern tree]

I got used to reseting every game in which my vg dies first because looking at namagis or w/e fire at eachother and winning/losing because barrages and targetting is really fucking boring

[vague token]

xD

[sharp wing]

W/ Wasd i dun care about vg much

[modern tree]

I played enough HMS to know that your ships can literally dunk like 9 shells into the ocean and make you lose for no fucking reason

[vague token]

=(

[coral wren]

Does georgia have any place in wasd?

What does watermarked mean

[vague token]

wasd has nothing to do with anyone outside of themselves

so georgia wouldnt really affect that

[coral wren]

rip

[modern tree]

only ship that interacts with wasd is bunker hill

and shes not broken ergo useless in pvp

[sharp wing]

Amagi interacts w/ everything

[vague token]

but she needs flag >_>

aka if nagato big sevens

you died

[finite valve]

@coral wren watermark = a signature

[sharp wing]

Giving flag to not Sodako is dumb in any situation

[vague token]

well it's not just that

but medium armor melts to big seven

xD

[sharp wing]

Not even that

[coral wren]

👌

[coral wren]

2kk more for 120 monarch ZzzZzz

[wicked rivet]

nobody is moving

[sharp wing]

I unlocked monarch only today in the morning

Farming Izumo now, while lvling Magi/Nyaga anyway

[modern tree]

I like that I have to sometime reset HMS vs Nakaga because of torps, but Namagi is just a free win

[coral wren]

Would really like to take a look at your loadout vs namagyuu

[modern tree]

I'll make a picture

[sharp wing]

I mean, there some HMS diehard fans on Sandie, who run full hms vg and Lusty in main, lol. But that's borderline waifuism

[coral wren]

I wonder what is their wr with lusty, lmao

[sharp wing]

well, not like my Sodako waifuism any better xD

Well, Lusty can eat Amagi barrages at least, she's "Heavy Carrier"

In more than 1 way

[modern tree]

That's my current setup

[sharp wing]

lol, 2 tickets left and i just looked at time

[coral wren]

Hm, just noticed jesus is carrying the pearl

[modern tree]

yeah, I am trying it, it feels necesary to keep my VG alive vs Hiryuu

[coral wren]

Yep, i feel the same

But never actually tried it

[sharp wing]

I put pearl's on \bel to spread healing usually

[modern tree]

and not like I am overhealing because Amagi barrages twice befroe Juneau has even a chance to sink

[sharp wing]

But i rank Jun as tank on offense

She still manages to be last one standing sometimes

[modern tree]

I run her mid because Belfast is much better at tanking torps with QE buff and my VG is HELLA FAST

[sharp wing]

I mean, Jun dies just at the time to not waste healing and not too late, and Bel has more input in battle staying alive after jun dies

Then Bel dies and heals some w/ Pearls

[modern tree]

Dunno, I am gonna cut Ykkz as soon as I get Monarch to dev25

prolly gonna run sheff until Nep is dev25

[sharp wing]

I just dun like Sheff

No waifu

Not gonna run something i dun like even for pvp

[modern tree]

I mean, her being hot is just a bonus, I have had a lot of sucess with her, Monarch just doesnt have her HP before dev25 tho

fucking like a thousand under QE

[sharp wing]

I'm on Louis road anyway

[modern tree]

before pvp buffs

[coral wren]

I wonder if that 6% stat bonus have anything to do with my hms wr. I only oathed monarch, so everyone else is lacking that 6% for fp hp and eva

[sharp wing]

I haven't converted any bp anyway yet

If you need oath to win, that's already bad

[coral wren]

Ok, gonna try some with daxam's loadout

[sharp wing]

I mean, there potentially no other loadouts w/ HMS w/ Monarch until WS Kai

[modern tree]

the only thing you can really alter is FCR placement, but before dev30 it's probably much better on Monarch cuz of the extra FP and ACC

[sharp wing]

When we have Monarch and no WS Kai i mean

We just need FCR rerun

[modern tree]

FCR is PROBABLY better on Hood when Monarch has her usual 417 FP

I mean, it would be better to have 2

[sharp wing]

Well, ofc

To not bother w/ positioning

Just slap 1 on each

[coral wren]

Yeah, that's a dilemma. Would you rather want to have hood's buff sooner, or monarch to hit harder.

[sharp wing]

How much Monarch barrage shells' damage differ without FCR anyway

[modern tree]

you lose 100-200 damage per barrage shell

its a lot

[sharp wing]

Yeah

[modern tree]

dunno how much its at dev 30

[coral wren]

That's... quite a lot, considering we are still at 110 lvl lock

[sharp wing]

At dev 30 should be more diminishing returns i guess

[modern tree]

yeah, the diminishing returns should be hitting harder at 417/430 that she has at dev30/lvl120

[wicked rivet]

we're at 110 for another 12 hours

then we get 120

[sharp wing]

I'd say for another 1-2 seasons

[modern tree]

for now its better to sink Amagi faster since Hood is hitting Hiryuu anywayyyy

[sharp wing]

I actually took pretty long to 110 and had no problems fighting 110 fleets, when 110 came

It just evens out offense bonus

[coral wren]

would you want to lvl them in w12 or stay in w11?

[modern tree]

7-2

[sharp wing]

I won't touch ch12 for a while probably

[coral wren]

[modern tree]

or 8-4 cuz its still money that can be 1:1

[sharp wing]

I don't have even 115 ships

Besides, still at pr farm

[stark raft]

I've opted for 7-3 just to get 410mm bps missed that research like 11 times now cause I had no bp

[wicked rivet]

you: OwO
Me, an intellectual:
0
3
0

[modern tree]

unless you have entire fleet to level, then it might be faster to do 11-4

[sharp wing]

RIP Oil tho

[finite valve]

just throw oil out the window and farm 12-4

lel

[sharp wing]

Lube yr waifus w/ oil. Wait...

[wicked rivet]

[finite valve]

IT'S FUCKING RAWWWWWWWWWWWWW

[sharp wing]

I only lube Sodako

[coral wren]

Why is power so low?

[finite valve]

no gear

[sharp wing]

gear off

[finite valve]

ez to farm exp

[coral wren]

Whats the point of doing this wdym

[finite valve]

for ppl to farm exp

[sharp wing]

waifu show

[finite valve]

also like many said def fleet mean shit

you can't wall off vet

[sharp wing]

You can only wall off newbies, which won't make it anywhere relevant for you anyway

So might as well not put up def fleet at all

You can let some newbie rush for yr bonus points on early days setting low fleet tho

[coral wren]

I mean wtf is he using for his normal fleet then

[sharp wing]

namaryuu?

[finite valve]

not possible with nagato YKK having no gear on

[sharp wing]

[coral wren]

W sry i meant smth else nvm

[sharp wing]

maybe he farms PR and not doing pvp at all

[finite valve]

dk dc tbh

pvp is useless atm

[sharp wing]

and always will be

[coral wren]

When was it useful tho

[sharp wing]

When i needed purins

[finite valve]

saying 2 SR ship lock behind pvp shop is not useful

ok?

[sharp wing]

That's 1 time buy

[finite valve]

you still need to farm 40k for them

that's like 1.5 months

[sharp wing]

Well

[coral wren]

U can buy them again wdym

[sharp wing]

I mean, purins are cheaper

Why would you buy dupes

[finite valve]

purrin are 15k while the SR are 20k

[coral wren]

Guess so

[sharp wing]

I've been only buying cubes and t3 boxes last ~3 seasons

Dock doesn't go below 20 purins lately

[finite valve]

unless you are one of those ppl who like to scrap lvl 100 kai ayaya

[coral wren]

Wtf

Who does that

[sharp wing]

I only once scraped some mlb lvl 70 trash ship

[finite valve]

i seen many of them in #trophy-room

tell me something i dk

[sharp wing]

I mean, ppl post there cn/jp stuff in EN official server

So

[coral wren]

I see people in some games delete some op accs just to make a vid

Thats so stupid

[sharp wing]

Well, if u quit, might make it grand

[coral wren]

U can sell it for atleast 1k$ tho

[sharp wing]

Well, never did that

[modern tree]

I like people playing real fleets because treating pvp as merit farm is fucking boring af

make it a game pls

go away with your lel so funny lolis and ark

[sharp wing]

remove offense buffs then too

and rerolls

make it real game

[modern tree]

no

its good as it is

[coral wren]

Why

[sharp wing]

At this point it's fcking pointless

[modern tree]

???????????

[sharp wing]

real fleet or meme

[modern tree]

real fleets

same rules so its inclusive for more people and people can force their way through with their waifus

[sharp wing]

Back to the point that everything works on offense, and if it doesn't you reroll, till it does

[wicked rivet]

can I sell my account for 1k

to make up for all the hours Ive wasted

[sharp wing]

lol

I need to go dig my old accs in other games

[coral wren]

You will get banned be careful

Dont do anything like that here

[modern tree]

good, you reroll, but if the fleets do not force you to reroll then its just a chore you do for merits and its boring as all hell

[sharp wing]

I actually feel bad selling my old acc

[coral wren]

Tho no one would buy an AL acc tbh

Lol

[sharp wing]

Well, there special sites for that

[coral wren]

They might make ppl play it seriously by adding season rewards for top 20

[sharp wing]

Top 3

[coral wren]

Different rewards for different rewards

[sharp wing]

I mean, even in full PVE games, there pve ladders w/ currency and other rewards

[coral wren]

Top 100 top 20 top 3 for exmple

[sharp wing]

Here no even PVP rewards

Ladders are useless too

[coral wren]

tHeY gIvE yOu MeRiT

[sharp wing]

But merit shop is useless

purins farm

[finite valve]

just wait until GW or raid boss

[coral wren]

Lol

[sharp wing]

if GW happens...

There will be too many crying

They will never implement GW, lmao

[finite valve]

pretty sure raid boss is the next thing since they said they are making new co op content

[wicked rivet]

merit shop = ez gold boxes every couple days

[finite valve]

unless that co op is GW

[coral wren]

Whats co op

[finite valve]

cooperation

[wicked rivet]

your mom

[sharp wing]

I mean, if they make not pvp GW

fine

[wicked rivet]

is a co-op game

im 12 btw

[finite valve]

basically multiplayer

[sharp wing]

i'm 8

[wicked rivet]

nice

[coral wren]

That hurt me so much i want to cry

[wicked rivet]

fellow child

how do u do

@coral wren

no cry

[coral wren]

[wicked rivet]

pls no

am sowwy

[sharp wing]

[wicked rivet]

[sharp wing]

OwO

[wicked rivet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/310929293612154881/563747069177626653/ok.gif

[coral wren]

Lo

Ok im going back to farm lol

[wicked rivet]

good luck

[finite valve]

tfw you finish 3-4 farm faster than 6-4

[wicked rivet]

remember to kill the boss

for your farms

[finite valve]

i got 3 akagi and 3 kaga in like 2 days

zzz

[sharp wing]

They say SOS has higher dropchance for boss ships. I got none from non stop 6, 8, 9, 10 SOS farming

[wicked rivet]

pretty sure the dropchjance is the same

[modern tree]

I got both foxes within like 5 clears of 3-5

I spent 4 months farming non stop when I started playing

dunno man

[sharp wing]

Some ppl told me, they got all boss ships from sos

[finite valve]

took me 1 month to farm 5 of each foxes

[sharp wing]

I mean, i only farmed till 1 copy

[wicked rivet]

ive gotten no SRs in the past like

[sharp wing]

Why would i bother w/ 5, if there too many purins anyway

[wicked rivet]

months

[finite valve]

on day 1 i somehow got 2 akagi and 1 kaga

so i already finish by that time but stay for the copies

[sharp wing]

Well, if you got em THAT early on

Copies viable

[modern tree]

860 attempts tracked with an excel sheet

4 months

"got both day 1 lol"

good joooob

[sharp wing]

Well, i got em not that fast, i spent not much clears in there

[elder crane]

well I fell asleep, that's my first 2 missed for the season

[sharp wing]

Also i never used em in pvp anyway, and dun sue in pve

[elder crane]

sitting on a sunny spot on a sofa was probably a bad choice

[sharp wing]

lol

It's night here already anyway

But i looked at clock last 3 mins w/ 2 tickets still on me, lol

<Made it 30 secs before reset

List was ded till there very last monets

[elder crane]

list is still dead after reset

post-Bismarck burnout?

[wicked rivet]

most likely

[elder crane]

people rushing the last few event pts?

[wicked rivet]

update tomorrow

itll be better then

hopefully

[sharp wing]

Well, Sandy is ded in any time of day and season

[elder crane]

ppl will be busy with ch12 then

idk if PvP will be more or less alive

[sharp wing]

It's summer also

ppl have other activities

Remember back in the days, new mmo releasing in summer, ppl take vacations to nolyfe launch

[wicked rivet]

true

especially wednesday

patience is key

[sharp wing]

My friend once faked sick certificate

fr that reason, lol

for like 2 weeks

OwO got a rusher after reset, 380th something

[wicked rivet]

sameee

ez +2

[sharp wing]

didn't look at +, but it was 1k+ places diff

But i had so ded season start anyway

I'm already like a ticket behind

[wicked rivet]

oof

score/tix?

[sharp wing]

622 9/10

[elder crane]

well dead season and 2 missed matches for me

[wicked rivet]

barely behind me

629 9/10 rn

OOF

[sharp wing]

Well, i was 10 points behind ppl who had 2 30+ season start

[wicked rivet]

2 missed already

[elder crane]

if everyone's season is dead hopefully it works out

I did miss 7 last season and it was fine-ish

[sharp wing]

wtf, you have more than me, w/ 2 missed

[elder crane]

nah that's me w 2 missed

[sharp wing]

fck this RNG based score, lol

[elder crane]

604 8/10

[sharp wing]

This pvp is just so discouraging

[elder crane]

2 matches and 3 pts behind Sag

so yeah... dead season

[sharp wing]

Only 3 behind w/ 2 missed

[elder crane]

I got I think like +5 total over my first 5 matches

nah I'm two matches and 3 pts

33 total

[sharp wing]

ehh

well

yuno is still above me w/ 2 missed

[wicked rivet]

i didnt miss any

[elder crane]

oh right 556 has the skin, I forgot

[sharp wing]

u said u missed 2?

[wicked rivet]

my "2 missed" message was response to blue

[elder crane]

since she came so damn late

[sharp wing]

ah

[wicked rivet]

[sharp wing]

Well, actually, i don't like any of event sub skins

[wicked rivet]

sowwy

[elder crane]

better than her base imo

[sharp wing]

I like base More

[wicked rivet]

556 thighs are better on her base tho

[sharp wing]

But that's more because of her skin play

Her changed lines

etc

It's all about cameltoe anyway

Bite me

[wicked rivet]

[elder crane]

oh man just noticed textbox overflow on maps, it's super ticking me off now

[sharp wing]

lol

[wicked rivet]

<- hammy on her way to BITE ur NOSE OFF

[sharp wing]

OwO

[wicked rivet]

<- when she see u runnin

[sharp wing]

puts trashhcan onto Hammie

[wicked rivet]

S͗̍̉UͫͭͥR͐͂͑҉Ȓ͗̇҉͟Eͭͤͧ҉̡Nͥ̈ͤD͌̇̐È̒̓Rͭͪ͂ ͫ̐̍O͒ͦ̓R̅ͫͫ ͧ̄͂P͆̑̅Ê̓ͤRͮͨ̍Ĩ̂̓S̄̽ͦ҉̛̛͘H̃̽͊҉̧́

[sharp wing]

Ok, be gentle

[wicked rivet]

good girl

you can live

for now

[sharp wing]

I cannot live without you now

[coral wren]

Damn, ark's design is quite good, but wasted on that meme of a character..

[wicked rivet]

wha-what do you mean bvy that

a-are you implying something LEWD??

[sharp wing]

That's up to yr pervertness

[wicked rivet]

good thing i am pyur

[sharp wing]

Ohhhh

We will find out soon enough

[wicked rivet]

oh lawd

[elder crane]

since when did this turn into #roleplay

[wicked rivet]

5 minutes ago

[coral wren]

Gotta give you props, blue. Resetting every 10 mins first 30 mins or hour(if noone moves) after global reset is lit as fuck. Despite my shitty start this season, that might be it to catch up with the others

[sharp wing]

That's viable approach

[elder crane]

it works great for the first week

after a few days into 2nd week it stops working if you're too far ahead

well, usually so, sometimes you just run into dead list after dead list

after you stop seeing climbers, switch your resetting time to be the hour/half-hour before resets, holding your attempts near 10/10 until then, since the only people climbing in your list are probably sandbaggers equally far ahead, and that's when those people/we start climbing usually

or do a slow transition, your choice

[sharp wing]

Btw, profile rank still bugged, but in ladders it display max pvp rank properly

[sharp wing]

Full pvp fleets exp farm makes yr Oil commit unlife, lol

[opal jetty]

is KMS fleet viable?

[sharp wing]

Well, somewhat. The thing in question is KMS vg

[modern tree]

its viable if you can stand winning like 30% of the time

[sharp wing]

Roon maybe viable after 120

nothing else on VG to speak of

[opal jetty]

so Bisko buff still not enough huh...

moving on

Monarch good?

[modern tree]

Bisko buff doesnt do anything for current en KMS ships

[opal jetty]

ah

[sharp wing]

There just not enough KMS

[modern tree]

because they were all hopeless, now they are all hopeless with 25% more crit chance

[opal jetty]

guess she's gonna be for clearing then

[sharp wing]

To make actual good KM S

[modern tree]

Monarch on offense is moderately capble of taking games on her own

[opal jetty]

c o l o n i z e i t i s

[sharp wing]

That is if you can develop her to at least ~dev20

[opal jetty]

Im grabbing as much blueprints as possible dont worry bout that

[sharp wing]

Well, dev 25 needs 223 total bps, ideally she needs dev 30 at 343 bps

[modern tree]

I would say that she starts standing on her own at dev25

when she stops being softer than QE

[opal jetty]

good enough in a couple of months or so

just need to keep the lab going

[sharp wing]

Sadly her Fate skill improvement does little in pvp also

[opal jetty]

god damnit IJN powercreep bs

[modern tree]

her heal is worthless, you level the skill just for reload stat and that isnt mind blowing either

[sharp wing]

yeah

[opal jetty]

I just want to colonize god damnit

[sharp wing]

only luck is boost there

fate only buffs heal tho

[opal jetty]

so what skils to prioritize?

[modern tree]

I mean, it is a lot of fucking reload

but she has to take a beating and the heal is way too late and way too slow to matter

[sharp wing]

If she had instant heal and not HoT

Would be better

[opal jetty]

so whats with the sudden IJN bias and tuberculosis nee-san fox powercreep? 🤔

[modern tree]

on Monarch you just max barrage, give her as much firepower as you can and just watch

[sharp wing]

Sudden?

[modern tree]

sudden? loooooool

[sharp wing]

IJN bias been there all time

[opal jetty]

ah I keep forgetting the foxes aint it?

[sharp wing]

Since foxes droped at 3-4

AYAYAY

[opal jetty]

AYAYA

[sharp wing]

even memes are IJN bias

[modern tree]

IJN bias starts at fucking 2-2 where you get shoho that carries your ass up until w12

[sharp wing]

[opal jetty]

thats one hell of a carry

[sharp wing]

smol carry

Actually, IJN bias starts at SHOP

[opal jetty]

so how do I spread cancer on top tier pvp?

[elder crane]

Akagi-chan

her bug still exists

[sharp wing]

NO pls

[elder crane]

I just got affected earlier

[sharp wing]

[opal jetty]

HAHAHAHAHA ITS TIME

MY FINAL TIME STOP

[modern tree]

can we pretend it doesnt and never suggest people in this chat to do it

[opal jetty]

ZA

WARUDO

[sharp wing]

Gladly i fought few Akagi-chan fleets, but no bug occured

[lament lichen]

Never happens to me as well

[opal jetty]

fuck you I'm doing it

[modern tree]

cuz the moment I see any of you fuckers abusing it I will report your ass

[elder crane]

yeah just put amagi on her, or any barrager, and she melts

unless you put up a super abuse fleet

[opal jetty]

this is why you never give me ideas

[sharp wing]

One day I wanted to report a guy... But fcking Report was in... MOONRUNES

Here, i'll give you idea. Run KMS fleet on def

[modern tree]

I'll give you an idea, check pins for tier list, pick anything and then weep because they aint gonna be lvl 120 tomorrow

[sharp wing]

looks at 8k creds

[elder crane]

52k here :3

[sharp wing]

[elder crane]

probs not enough to break everyone's caps to 120 but shouldn't be too far

[shell heron]

I better get farming 7-2 today, got a good number of ships ready for 120

by good I mean 2

[elder crane]

everyone as in my PvP ships

[sharp wing]

Back to commiting oil unlife w/ pvp fleet farm

[elder crane]

I've 4 I think

[opal jetty]

alright how do I exploit 《 T H E W O R L D 》 again?

[elder crane]

and like 15 at 1 mil XP

[opal jetty]

whats the bug about?

[elder crane]

commitment issues I suppose

[sharp wing]

The bug just died

[opal jetty]

oof

but

was it glorious?

or cancerous?

[sharp wing]

It was lame af

[opal jetty]

or a browny green mashpit of both?

[sharp wing]

I had 100% resist

So move on

[elder crane]

I think akagichan is, as was mentioned at some point, a threading issue
AL code is chock-full of globals that everything uses, and probably the engine is messing up dependencies

[sharp wing]

[opal jetty]

https://youtu.be/I0tmQXtByc0

oh...

[modern tree]

dont let me catch you

[opal jetty]

my...

god...

[sharp wing]

Ok, now you've done it

[opal jetty]

is this the reason why there was a JoJo reference on WoWS recently?

10/10 for jojo meme

0/10 for boring ass bug

[elder crane]

a properly setup akagichan fleet should set up the scenario for the bug if possible 100% of the time

but it doesn't always happen even with the known setup afaik

[sharp wing]

I tell, i was 100% immune

[elder crane]

yeah, I think there's a device difference here as well

first time it's happened to me too, earlier

[sharp wing]

The skin bug was more annoying

[elder crane]

further supporting the thought that it's a threading issue

I still occasionally get the "exploded animation" issue

had it just yesterday opening boxes

the animation zooomed in like 1000X and stayed in screen foreground

[sharp wing]

I think that's device related really

[elder crane]

I think it's another symptom of AL's overuse of unprotected dependency-unclear globals

[sharp wing]

I actually didn't happen on many of existed bugs on Emu

[elder crane]

and threading applied on each device/scenario

yeah, same, never had any such bug on emu

[sharp wing]

I mostly use Emu tho

[elder crane]

I think the stuff works as long as there isn't specific types of lag

[sharp wing]

Those bugs i never seen sometime i hear months later

[coral wren]

Lmao, how do i stop vanguard from catching all the torps

That's crazy

[sharp wing]

[opal jetty]

easy

[sharp wing]

give them dildos

[opal jetty]

^^

[sharp wing]

So they won't look for them

[coral wren]

legit shit, these retards not dodging, they are following them

[sharp wing]

Instareroll if opening torps went shit

[opal jetty]

[modern tree]

works on my machine

[coral wren]

Btw, that loadout is legit good

[sharp wing]

How u had it before?

lol

[coral wren]

just rng doing rng things

No, there are some improvements

[modern tree]

I know HMS, alright

[sharp wing]

I mean, there basically 1 way to HMS if you have monarch

[modern tree]

I spent my whole life as long as EN exists playing HMS

[sharp wing]

[coral wren]

I think it was some memer with 3 rainbow dildos and over 14k vanguard, got him after some resets. Sometimes vang is acting weird, like stopping it's movement right when red circle appears above them

[sharp wing]

When i see 14k+ vg, that's ez win, cause dildos vg tbh

[modern tree]

without a cv it's kinda rng to kill the vg

[coral wren]

They were quite durable tho

[sharp wing]

just bad rng probably

[modern tree]

cuz we all know that if HMS will get a proper CV the world will end

[sharp wing]

Nothing more proper, than Lusty can be done

[coral wren]

By proper cv you mean an equivalent of e?

[sharp wing]

[modern tree]

by proper CV I mean a useable one that doesnt require a very narrow niche to do anything

[coral wren]

That's a shame tho, i was hoping to get centaur before we get 120 lvl and replace hood, but nvm i guess

[sharp wing]

Well, where you even want to slot that cv

[modern tree]

also Illustrous is like 4 oil more expensive than Langley for actually the same effect

Centaur is not a CV, shes a CLV believe it or not

[sharp wing]

only Taihoe can achieve same effect

Don't think HMS will be getting anything better Centaur anyway

[coral wren]

Uh, i forgot... yeah, it's a cvl indeed

[modern tree]

I mean, considering only IJN can ever get good ships, most recent example being Bisquit, I am pretty sure that it doesnt matter

[sharp wing]

cv cvl all the same anyway

[finite valve]

tell that to hard mode req

[sharp wing]

Well, i was talking pvp

[modern tree]

cvl deals 10% more damage for no reason, believe it or not

[sharp wing]

for HM they should just make it CV/CVL tbh

Yeah, i know