pvp

[lament lichen]

all the way back there

[hot creek]

press F for daxam

[ionic magnet]

why

rank 8

holding on

👀

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/DE0K8/b0a4f59926.png

[shy hazel]

cay top 1

[shell heron]

I mean you snagged rank 1 from me by 2 points

[shy hazel]

[shy hazel]

o there

so post top 10 here fast

[lament lichen]

did famine finish his last game?

[ionic magnet]

got pushed to 9

yea

[shy hazel]

top 10 huh

not,bad with 3 losses

[shy hazel]

[shell heron]

He live close to the edge

[ionic magnet]

literally 10 secs before reset

lol

[shy hazel]

oh lol

famine is big nerd

[hot creek]

holy crap HQ lvl 120

[shell heron]

one reset and he would have lost

[zenith tundra]

@hot creek hes an oil baron

[charred sable]

oh shit

[shy hazel]

famine true hero

[charred sable]

today was reset?

[lament lichen]

yeah

[shy hazel]

yes

[charred sable]

RIP

[shy hazel]

lost your gensui

[ionic magnet]

what happened to kamita

i didnt see him

[charred sable]

[shy hazel]

grats hooloo your first top ten

[shell heron]

I saw him on my list earlier today, but he was below me at 10/10 matches

[ionic magnet]

[lament lichen]

he was behind me 5 points last time i saw him

[shy hazel]

i think this is my 6th too ten

[ionic magnet]

maybe didnt finish in time?

[shy hazel]

yatta

[lament lichen]

probalby didnt finish

[ionic magnet]

rip

[lament lichen]

he should have like 4 more matches

since he had the same score as sumire

[shell heron]

I'm still amazed how close famine is willing to cut it to reset

[charred sable]

I blame being distracted by cat

[shy hazel]

fam always been like that

[shell heron]

that 5 seconds of glory

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

grats anyways

[lament lichen]

novae also dissappeared

[shy hazel]

4 of us here in top 10

guess this channel means,something abit

[cerulean estuary]

[shell heron]

and the sandbagging begins anew

[lament lichen]

+33 already

[shell heron]

see you all here again in 2 weeks

[ionic magnet]

33 31

[hot creek]

how useable is dev 25 Saint Louis atm?

[vague token]

she gets full tank stats

at 25

all there is from 26-30 is basic stats, 15% efficiency, and the barrage upgrade

you get like 690 hp and 15 evade at dev 25

so she should be fine

she's still stronger than using say portland lol

but i still need washing machine

to see full power

xD

[hot creek]

anyone else have a 110 dev 25 pr here?

[zenith tundra]

my roon is only 106

[empty sinew]

dev 20 pepehands

[ionic magnet]

1 BP away for monarch

[vague token]

xD

[zenith tundra]

tankiness close to 0 so far even with graf tbh

[empty sinew]

got washing machine but dev 20 louis pepehands

[hot creek]

cube comms have been fucking me over lately, only giving me ibuki and shitzumo

[lament lichen]

only dev 24 on nep

[zenith tundra]

dev 26 on my roon

but still need washing machine and roon gun

[stark raft]

26 on Monarch but 15% eff and mgm+1 on 30

[zenith tundra]

what's saint louis evasion at 110?

[hot creek]

just take the average between 100 and 120 values from wiki

[vague token]

hold on ill let you know

61

no oath though

id probably get 3 from oath cause of the gear

ish

if that

[zenith tundra]

my oathed roon is at 58 at 106

not max oath

[vague token]

she should hit like that, 60 by 110?

at 120 she's only 2 less evade

so should be about that much

[zenith tundra]

22/25 washing machine and 23/25 roon gun. gonna take another week with my luck

[hot creek]

my PR equip numbers are so shit lmao

cause I do too many cube comms

at least my Nepgun is at 24/25

fitting for my girl

[zenith tundra]

thats main reason i dont do cube ones. i have 450 cubes rn but not worth it tbh

[hot creek]

they're so damn good for overall BP output though

and they're only an hour each 👌

[vague token]

xD

[zenith tundra]

tbh i prefer to save cubes for whatever lies ahead. having working pr ships doesnt matter if i never use them

[steep fog]

I got scammed by the 30m research

only 2 PR bp

reeeeeeeeeee

[lament lichen]

lol

[steep fog]

just grind both to 120

[vague token]

178k/2.3m saint louis xp to 120 X_x

long road

[zenith tundra]

welcome to 120

feom now on all new ships will require 4m+ to be useful in pvp

[hot creek]

[vague token]

and a lotta cog chips

[zenith tundra]

i have 15k of those gonna be close to 0 in a few days...

[vague token]

nice

[zenith tundra]

actually gold will be the limit for awakening...

i wont escape 7-2 ever at this rate

[hot creek]

no escape

i'd like to use 11-4 for xp

but can't

[zenith tundra]

to use 15k chips i need 150k gold lol

[hot creek]

its fine though. 11-4 is only about 21% more xp if you account for the fact that you have to use a 1:3 fleet

maybe you could get away with 1:2

[zenith tundra]

i need vg xp mainly so any high w is out of the question

[vague token]

i got columbia today =D

while farming xp

xD

[zenith tundra]

finally build a sr ship from special and ofc its sandy

[vague token]

[zenith tundra]

i want to scrap even my oathed one rn

[vague token]

o.o

[analog hare]

the Roon gun shot pretty unusual for MGM+1
the 2nd main gun is shot instantly after 1st main gun, just like Double Gun proc

is that normal ??

[zenith tundra]

mle seems to shoot instantly too so not sure if anything is wrong

[vague token]

na their volley times are just barely anything

if you look at wiki mle has .4

roon is .5

they are lightning fast at dumping all the bullets

[analog hare]

okay nvm I realize that is 2x3 shoot
but still the bullet is like burst out

unlike Prinz gun where the shoot is parallel and looks smooth

[vague token]

prinz gun shoots 3 waves of 2

and has a volley time of 1 whole second

aka takes forever

xD

[analog hare]

"and has a volley time of 1 whole second" okay I get it for this

[zenith tundra]

the time in between shoots is so long because of volley time that pr guns looks on steroids compared to normal skc

[zenith tundra]

mogami with nagato buff can punch some 1k dmg with mle in pvp

i want to test with roon gun too once i get it but he should be better against vg

saint louis is forced mle because of her skill pretty much

[coral wren]

Whats mle

[zenith tundra]

203 proto mle from research

[coral wren]

👌

[wheat rivet]

I don't think I got any pvp attempts last recover, still on 5/10

good start to the season

[zenith tundra]

u start every new season with 5/10

u lose all attempts u don't do before a season end. they don't get carried over to next one

[coral wren]

You also get a new lobby

Guys i want to use nakaga but dont have jintsuu/sendai/aurora/sirius that are in the tierlist

Can you recc smth?

I just want smth that works

jesus yuki belfast?

Does that work with nakaga?

Anyway if it gets the job done im fine with it

I think it works with anything

According to the tierlist this vang is for slower pace games while nakaga is for fast games idk

[zenith tundra]

a debuffer would be preferable for nakaga but i guess u can use full defense vg as well

if u didnt use wishing well already u can try and get aurora

[coral wren]

I used it and wasted it ofc :/

Well i dont plan to get top 100 anyway. As long as it works im ok

[zenith tundra]

i used it on light with increased chance for sandy and belfast lol

[coral wren]

Hahahah

[zenith tundra]

u can do daily light build hopping one day u get aurora. she's really useful for foxes

also sendai shouldn't be too hard to get if u can do w11

[coral wren]

I can spend some cubes but im afraid some event comes and im out of cubes

[zenith tundra]

i meant the 1 build u do every day for the mission

[coral wren]

Ye ik. I do 3 for the event

[zenith tundra]

well event will end soon enough u can switch to light then

[coral wren]

No i mean i do 3 light builds per day

Sry for bed england xd

[zenith tundra]

oh well i spent 5k gems for aurora after i got amagi. wish u better luck then me

[coral wren]

Damn

I have 4k so i could try

[zenith tundra]

not worth it

[coral wren]

Well i hope i just get lucky someday

Im really lucky lately so its possible

[zenith tundra]

what did u use the wishing well for?

[coral wren]

Got akagi and 2 mayas in like 20 runs

Hood and pow hahaah

[zenith tundra]

for hood is fine

[coral wren]

I dont really use her anyway tbh

Anyway i ask bcz i made my fleet(enty lusty ws- port z23 belfast) when i just started the game and didnt touch pvp after that for months

I think pretty much anything works better than that xd

Still works bcz of gear and lvl tho

[zenith tundra]

enty and ws are passable as well as belfast and portland. it just lacks any synergy

[coral wren]

Ye ik

OwO

[steep fog]

my sanrui dies so fast in pvp

but well shes only lvl 100

[zenith tundra]

ca suffer from low evasion till 120 pretty much and medium armor atill takes more damage from torp and cv

[steep fog]

im running bulge + rudder

[zenith tundra]

also ca get only 15% dmg reduction vs 20% cl and 25% dd

ca only real advantage is the high hp pool that gets boosted even more in pvp the higher level they are

[hot creek]

don't they do good damage too?

[zenith tundra]

no dmg bonus in pvp

compared to cl

mogami damage is only better then belfast when she can freely shoot opponent main fleet with nagato buff. i wouldn't say that is that much better

saint louis damage should be higher then mogami but she is also a pr powercreep

[steep fog]

what about sanrui HE shell

hmm im still so far from dev 25

pepehands

[zenith tundra]

im not 100% sure that saint louis dmg is much better then mogami with nagato buff but at least on vg it should be better

[steep fog]

meanwhile im still farming my 4th hellcat for w12

[zenith tundra]

i'll 120 my mogami just to see her damage in pvp. 120 ca are definitely interesting

[steep fog]

my mog is colse to 120 already

I hope I get enough gold

[zenith tundra]

i've been stuck in pr grind forever now. glad is over at least

[odd schooner]

Feels like i won't be able to slap a CA on my team since akaga fleets won't die at all

[steep fog]

huh dont u grind ibuki with mog

[odd schooner]

Upgrade Belfast to San Decade Final Form I guess

[zenith tundra]

i used jintsuu tbh

i like her a lot

[odd schooner]

I haven't been able to earn exp on ykkz either

[steep fog]

I grind ibuki with jintsuu sendai mogami in w11

[zenith tundra]

plus i kind of want to oath mogami if i 120 her

[steep fog]

gotta go fast

I dont use 0lb meme

[zenith tundra]

i saved oil as much as i could

[steep fog]

wasted exp

[zenith tundra]

it was fine till event grind kicked in

[odd schooner]

Tbh if i didn't do GFL and GBF event last month I wouldn't end up going panic mode this week

I assume you guys gonna farm exp on sandy and juneau on w12

Or are you guys done

[zenith tundra]

my sandy is 109. ill use her in w12

juneau is more of a dead weight then she is

[odd schooner]

Yeah

[steep fog]

my sandy has 1m exp

so...

im gonna keep lvling juneau in pvp

[zenith tundra]

i didnt use sandy till saint louis farm

[steep fog]

I farmed sanrui with sandy wichita monty

[odd schooner]

I haven't touched san rui yet

Delayed big time

[zenith tundra]

i farmed all pr as fast as i could and now im done. lb0 was the only way and still took my gems

[shy hazel]

im done with all prs now

[odd schooner]

Oh you bought oil package?

[shy hazel]

no oil pack bought

[zenith tundra]

good for u

i brought all 5 2k oil packs and another 800. sti have 30 mails from trade license tho

[odd schooner]

I made mistake this morning

Collected all my mail stuff

[hot creek]

oh god no

[odd schooner]

I was camping all night for canteen oil decided to pop a few mail oil

[steep fog]

instead of farming PR I was farming bofors and hellcat

[odd schooner]

Clicked the left collect instead

[steep fog]

I have 12k oil in mail

saving for baguette

[shy hazel]

im gonna buy shop oils

when frenchies go here

and i dont have enuf for 5 dd guns

[hot creek]

what happens when you collect but are at hardcap? does it just disappear?

[odd schooner]

Ye feels like baguette is just around the corner

You can't collect em

[zenith tundra]

u cannot colect them

[steep fog]

I will try to get about 5 french guns

should be doable

[hot creek]

i c

[steep fog]

without buying shop oil

[odd schooner]

I hope they release centaur soon

Since she has swimsuit skin

[steep fog]

im still hovering around soft oil cap

[shy hazel]

farmed izumo last

[zenith tundra]

@shy hazel are u donenl yet

[shy hazel]

done

100%

gotta wait 2 hours na

[odd schooner]

Namaryuu default fleet should cost 8k mental units 80k gold

[shy hazel]

gold

rip

[zenith tundra]

80k gold lol

[odd schooner]

Ye ssr cost 16k

[shy hazel]

none of my front has 3m exp anyways

ykkz only 1.5m

[zenith tundra]

i know just where would that even come from...

[steep fog]

only need 2.3m for 110-120

[zenith tundra]

ive been struggling with gold since research happened

[steep fog]

and what is gold

research kills all my gold

[zenith tundra]

when i dont find good bps researches i always do equip ones. at least i avoid wasting all my money

[steep fog]

G412 is pretty good

and quick enough to reset

[zenith tundra]

it is but it usually is my last choice out of the one that i want to do

[shy hazel]

im just gonna unlock them all if i can

farm exp in pvp

i 110 foxes in pvp that way

120 means

bbs becomes more potent

and so are cas

i expect a meta shaking change

[zenith tundra]

ca become viable tbh not better

[shy hazel]

my bbs already 120

some ppl should have dev 25 louis already

[zenith tundra]

i just need 170k on hiryuu for namaryuu backline full 120

[shy hazel]

i overfarmed amagi

3m

and i got alot of 0 xp

cos i din realize

in farming uzmo

izumo

lol

[zenith tundra]

i knew she had 3m and still used her lol

[steep fog]

amagi just makes it quick

just like how I overused my hood

[zenith tundra]

not a waste gotta have someone to carry me again in w12

[steep fog]

amagi in w12

[zenith tundra]

i'll just put aa radar on her and gg

[steep fog]

hood seems better than her imo

[zenith tundra]

plus sandy to melt planes

[steep fog]

or im just gonna run akaga uni phoenix

[zenith tundra]

with aa radar and dd gun u can easily get to 355 aa

[steep fog]

and lusty + 2 BB for boss

[zenith tundra]

that while still making everything easier to deal with

[steep fog]

I will train langley up

and run langley ranger meme

[zenith tundra]

ranger has 0 aa btw

[steep fog]

langley alone is enough

[zenith tundra]

she cannot shoot a plane for her life

did they post any video for bismark l2d?

[coral wren]

Yes

[zenith tundra]

already looked on youtube

[wicked rivet]

look on twitter

[zenith tundra]

are there jihads in w12? (someone needs to help help)

[steep fog]

no

except gold ship node

@zenith tundra

[zenith tundra]

thanks

[steep fog]

its best place to lvl CV

[zenith tundra]

tirp hitting 5k crits on cl siren in sp0 wtf... can't wait for shells to see her murder stuff just with mg shoots. (with bismark)

[zenith tundra]

jb won't hit for 3.4k crits at 0 ammo

not sure her gun is worth using her and who the hell manuals

[coral wren]

I want to test her in pvp

[zenith tundra]

her gun is 356 just as trash if not more

half of the shoots aren't even aimed

they just land where ever the other already landed and can hit literally nothing

also mgm+1 only

jb is an elite killer. outside of that there are better choices

it doesn't matter if u only land 4 shells out of all ur shoots

[steep fog]

its not like u land a lot of shots with normal BB gun either

[vagrant veldt]

I guess you have to use Jean Bart yourself to know

if she is good to you or not

[zenith tundra]

pretending a gun that has half of the shoots not even aim is better then having one that aims them all

[steep fog]

even 406mk6 still whiff like 3-4 out of its 9 shots

[vagrant veldt]

the second part of the 4 shots usually wont matter since each shell guarantees 5 digit damage on manual

[zenith tundra]

again who manuals

if u manual use aya for broken dmg and gg

[vagrant veldt]

if you are using JB you will pretty much be clicking all the time

[steep fog]

remember for mgm+2 BB, only the 1st shot has good aim and accuracy

[vagrant veldt]

battles are much shorter

[zenith tundra]

one more reason to not bother with her

[steep fog]

the 2nd and 3rd shots relies a lot on luck

and people still auto siren with jb

[zenith tundra]

i play too much to bother manualing

i never said she's bad for sirens

[steep fog]

preloaded salvo just cut battle time by alot

u dont run jb for other purpose lol

shes made to be siren farmer

[vagrant veldt]

it's not like non manual Jean Bart does no damage

[shy hazel]

@zenith tundra

done with all prs

time to focus research on monarch nep

[odd schooner]

@cerulean estuary i think it's time to go back to our og faction

I still wonder if you can navigate through pings

[shell heron]

If someone runs into my def comp, tell me how long it survives. I'm predicting at least 15s

[vague token]

xD

no shouhou nor phoenix skins yet

=/

[shell heron]

wasn't a fan of the halloween shouhou skin

[vague token]

oh i forgot that one

[modern tree]

this comp lasts until second wave of torps, I fought it about 3 times

[vague token]

xD

[modern tree]

first bb shots clean most of the backline and frontline that survived opening torps, second wave of torps clears the backliners that are still around

[shell heron]

that sounds like 15s

[stark raft]

Anyone have a 25 nep?

[shell heron]

so not thicc enough it seems. need to get my prinz up to 110 then

my bps has been all over the place

can't get enough projects that focus on one PR ship

[stark raft]

Sheff is so rng, might replace her when nep goes 25

[vague token]

sheff isnt that rng

xD

[modern tree]

Sheff isnt rng, her average is just not that high

you are probably expecting way too much from 15%

also the thing that kills vgs Sheff has no influence over, fires

[stark raft]

Pearl + FE over Pearl/bulge/boiler?

Jesus/Sheff/Yuki with hms backline

[modern tree]

For a DD that cant use torp bulge, yeah. CL/CA can't afford aux slot for FE

[stark raft]

Have you tried KGV yet daxam? mine aint 110 yet

[modern tree]

If you are using QE then Belfast is probably better than sheff because she puts out more damage and her protection is really frontloaded, which helps to not lose instantly against Amagi just jizzing biggest projectiles known to man on your VG at 10 seconds into the fight

[vague token]

xD

[modern tree]

I stopped developing KGV because I have to put monarch at 120

[stark raft]

I'd be testing out QE/Hood/KGV with Jesus/Bel/Sheff (Yuki/Nep)

[modern tree]

I like ditching Ykkz and just running 2 HMS ships but your backline sometimes just fucking dies because Amagi barrage makes 0 sense

[stark raft]

I don't think KGV damage is too low, I see it as 12 shells with a 356 that can do fire with a boosted FP stat from qe/self buff

[modern tree]

then again, Ykkz probably doesnt help much then

and they can literally target anything

[vague token]

and has very armor friendly ratios

[modern tree]

She legit targets shit like Warspite sometimes for no reason

Amagi is actually cancerous RNG that will just make you win or lose randomly

[stark raft]

Yeah I have tested Dork debuffing for Amagi and shit is hilarious

puts hiryuu into final counter ezpz

[vague token]

wasnt amagi's gun like 70/130/110 or something crazy?

i forget

her aimed barrage component

with the 250 base damage

[modern tree]

I have had Monarch/Hood one shot backliners, and I have had them hit actually 0 shells vs Amagi

I have had Amagi dunk Hiryuu in like 2 barrages

and I have had her barrage a totally random target in space, missing the entire barrage

[vague token]

yeah i hate that

[modern tree]

she is actually the worst ship ever made

[vague token]

oh i thought it was higher xD

yeah

if it aims at them that is

there's no targeting weight on it right?

oof

[modern tree]

np, just 72 more base damage than any gun available on EN with over 400 FP

before buffs

[stark raft]

well another plus for KGV is she pretty thicc hp/luck

washing machine+Badge on her with all the buffs she might be stronk

"Increase own damage dealt to Sakura Empire, Ironblood, Sardinia and Siren factions by 4% (10%). When the fleet has 3 or more other ships from the Royal Navy, increase firepower, reload, evasion and anti-air by 4% (20%). "

With QE buff makes her pretty gud

Guess i gotta invest more oil into her and test her out myself

12% from oath. 20% selfbuff and 15% QE buff is nothing to scoff at

[modern tree]

I will get back to her once my Monarch is at 120

[vague token]

what's your xp right now? xD

[stark raft]

Mine is 104 but she drank all my oil

[coral wren]

Leveling jesus up to lvl 120 will be pure suffering

[stark raft]

Jesus is doing sanrui grind for me

It's horrible but you gotta bite the bullet sometime

[modern tree]

my monarch is at 612k

my qe and hood are done tho, VG is gonna be suffering

[wheat rivet]

does monarch make HMS viable against the cursed nagato/amagi/hiryuu defense?

[stark raft]

look at monarch barrage and what armor they have

[finite valve]

only WS kai stand a chance

[stone grove]

Could you use WS kai to get rid of one of the buffers

[modern tree]

short answer, yes, long answer, https://youtu.be/Gb23z7Y3_BI

obviously you will not be highrolling every game, but Monarch does okay

[vague token]

belgun nagato gross

[wheat rivet]

why sheff btw?

[modern tree]

because she is HMS

[stark raft]

Shiny Sheff

[vague token]

1, hms, 2: has a gun, 3: good durability boost

she will cleanse the filth

by protecting her team

xD

[modern tree]

I will be using Nep when I get her to dev 20-25

[stark raft]

excuse me, sheff has akimbo uzis

[wheat rivet]

I was thinking aurora would be better

[modern tree]

but Monarch is more importnt

[stone grove]

Hmm
I know this is all theoretical and future shit but how do you think Monarch/WS Kai/x would do?

[stark raft]

Quite Swimmingly

[modern tree]

t1/t0 offense comp, probably meeting low/no opposition from anyone

[finite valve]

@stone grove https://www.reddit.com/r/AzureLane/comments/b6a49a/quick_pvp_report_for_jp/

[modern tree]

still a meme def comp because lulrng, gimped damage, and no way to alter position

[stone grove]

Yeah, definitely for offence

[coral wren]

Sheff is weird, sometimes she works sometimes she doesn't

[wheat rivet]

what is this WS kai everyone is talking about

[stone grove]

Tbh I just put waifus as my defence because no Amagi and people will reset over defence fleets anyways
Mostly interested in offence

[finite valve]

warspite kai

[vague token]

ws kai is the great liberator

of meta

as she is so busted

[modern tree]

WS kai is the Divinest of Marksmen

[wheat rivet]

oh warspite

WS makes me keep thinking washington lol

[vague token]

lol

[finite valve]

wash is wash

[stark raft]

belli dura warspacito 🇬🇧

[wheat lily]

Currently I'm using nakaga and shit vg, like portkai+z23+leander. I'm leveling belfap, juneau, baguette (dev22, her gun +10, washing machine +10). I don't have jintsuu, ykkz, sendai, sheff and aurora. What I can use until I'll get jintsuu, sendai, aurora?

[vague token]

juneau

[modern tree]

Belfast Juneau + pray for Aurora/Sendai

[wheat lily]

Who to replace with her? I have others vg, but not sure what works in pvp too

[vague token]

z23 doesnt really do much sadly

gun destroyers >_>

[wheat lily]

I can replace z23 with aya for now

[modern tree]

Yeah, Zee is probably the least valuable atm. Portland is fine if you managed to get your hands on Beaver Badge. Leander smoke can get you somewhere

[wheat lily]

I added aurora to wishing pull, I hope she'll drop tomorrow, so I'll build her for the next pvp reset

[modern tree]

just work on your boats, if you want to stick to foxes, Aurora or Sendai should probably be priority over Jintsuu

Sendai is also less exhausting to farm since shes not boss only

[wheat lily]

I checked tierlist, sadly other backline comps are not possible for me, I don't have amagi

[vague token]

although she probably wont drop on a normal fight >_>

[modern tree]

Yeah, without Amagi its either foxes, which will do fine with low/no gear or HMS that will absolutely be suffering without gear and best boats

[wheat lily]

Yeh, I think so too, will stick to aurora then, so at the end I should use aurora, juneau and bel?

[modern tree]

If you have Aurora, other boats are more or less preference. Sendai is neat if you have enough damage to vaporise vanguards, Belfast makes your VG tanky for a while and has solid torps. Juneaus Heal is just dumb. Jintsuu is gambling but its fun to see torps hit super hard. Preference

[wheat lily]

Nagato is fully built with +10 gold, hood gun, belgun, staag, beaver, sg radar. On foxes I lacking 1 more gold cata and good fighters (atm gold hellcats). So I trying to solve vg problem

I was thinking about the vg which will give some def buffs to carriers, because sometimes foxes suffering from dmg, but not sure if it's a good idea or not

[vague token]

foxes are already all in on rush down

you cant make them really a bruiser style

[modern tree]

I do not think that there is any requirement for fox vanguards beyond Aurora atm. You do want the VG to survive until Hiryuu pretends to sink so you dont lose tho

Juneau is your best bet because the only good defensive boat for backline is Yukikaze, and shes event only too

[vague token]

or fortune memes kek

[modern tree]

Juneau tanking kinda solves both your problems, heals fragile foxes and makes your VG last longer vs Hiryuu

[wheat lily]

I see, thanks. Ok, I'll try to get sendai and aurora then. And what about baguette and her perspective in pvp?

Her 40s buff is looks pretty good with rushing comp such nakaga

[modern tree]

Shes hella tanky. Doesn't fit too well into fox gameplan of just turning everything to mush asap, but Hiryuu is still something you want your VG to survive against so maaaaaaybe going all in on damage is just wrong

havent played foxes in forever. not sure if anyone in this chat did actually

[wheat lily]

Hmm, I see, she deserves full bb backline?

[rough cobalt]

belfast or kawakaze?

[wheat lily]

Ye, I have kawa as well, maxed her recently

[rough cobalt]

im putting together a team with kawakaze, jinjitsuu and aya, but idk if i should keep belfast

[modern tree]

I mean, if you are going this far into torps, might as well commit all the way

[vague token]

all in!

[rough cobalt]

true

[modern tree]

but I'd consider Aurora just so they get evaded less

[wheat lily]

Ah, it was a question

[rough cobalt]

i could put sendai

i still need to level tho

[modern tree]

Saint Louis is better with teams that are slower to output damage. There is not much point in being tanky if you can push 4 airstrikes in 30 seconds. Might as well play things that help you take down ships faster. Again, opposing Hiryuu is a consideration, so she might be useful because someone will need to tank the bombs from extra airstrike since foxes are really REALLY bad at it

might work

would have to try that but my french lady is leagues off of being useful

[vague token]

mine still dies before juneau unless im against aurora usually

if juneau is mid

but juneau dies so fast in lead

cause no sheffy defense

=/

need that 2.32 hp multiplier from 120

and washing machine

sometimes she makes it pretty far though if there's no big sevens

[wicked rivet]

Why would you use jint/kawa/aya and not jint/kawa/yuki

[ionic magnet]

idk who started saying kgv dmg is too low

but its not true

in fact, she's the most consistent dmg dealer out of all hms BB/BCs

except for monarch cos i just got her to dev25 today but ill test her this season

and no, kgv doesn't need qe at all. its more of an option not a necessity

[wicked rivet]

Better than dork?

[modern tree]

that feels extremly exaggerated

and doy is probably the least consistent boat out of entire HMS

[wicked rivet]

Hooloo congrats on almost top spot

[ionic magnet]

yes better than dork. ive been keeping tabs on my dmg charts this last season and kgv is almost always mvp with dmg ranging from 17k to 20k. meanwhile other botes (hood qe doy ws) will do 5k-8k dmg more often than you expect

[wicked rivet]

This is true, sometimes my dork snipes everything and other times she does <10k

[ionic magnet]

i think its cos of her first mg shot that can burn as early as 7 secs into the fight

[wicked rivet]

7 seconds

[ionic magnet]

and higher chance to hit enemy VGs

[modern tree]

Umm, Warspite rarely goes under 20k damage, Hood usually depends a lot on her barrageits like 16k to 24k, QE usually hoovers around 8k because she rarely aims at targets that dont move, but she can get to 20 if vg dies sufficently fast. It's just doy that either does comparably to other boats or same as QE and ther's no pattern to it

[ionic magnet]

i dont have a lot of data on warspite cos i swapped her out early (cos she did less than 10k dmg on back to back games)

i agree on qe doy hood tho

[wicked rivet]

The real question is why would you use full HMS backline when namagi exists

[ionic magnet]

my point is that kgv very rarely (if at all) goes below 15k so i see her as the most consistent one of all those

[wicked rivet]

Time to level KGV

[modern tree]

You'd use full HMS because namagi is probably the least fun rng shit in the universe, and while HMS might not get their barrages or whatever, you rarely actually never lose because your boat got barrage, but barrage flew off to space hitting nothing, thanks Amagi

[ionic magnet]

im using her as flag btw so that might add some value to her barrage. but then again there's no other ship that needs flag anyways so doesnt really matter i guess

[coral wren]

cough* 33 resets cough*

[ionic magnet]

did you win on 34th?

[modern tree]

one day I will find out what you are doing wrong and correct it

until that day, I will just continue saying "works on my machine"

[coral wren]

Yeah, 34-th or 33-th. It gave me a trauma, i don't wanna talk about it

[ionic magnet]

lol

worst i had is like 7 resets vs blurendar

[midnight heron]

just had the most cancerous enemy evade bs ever

amakaga with kaga evading 50% of shells/barrages tf

[vague token]

dude you have no idea how many big sevens bluerendar gets

[midnight heron]

srsly wat bs is this

[vague token]

ive had him so many times

and im always negative on big seven

[ionic magnet]

bluerendar ykkz is a god im telling you

[vague token]

xD

[ionic magnet]

i ended up swapping in aurora for that cockroach

[shy hazel]

last time i met blue i didnt need to reset

[zenith tundra]

+39 and +38 so far lol

[vague token]

[shell heron]

+39 and +38 as well

but nobody else moved since then with only 30m left

[sharp wing]

1 +27... That's it. Used all refreshes in 1-2 hr intervals. RNG bit my ass. Not even gonna try this season, lol. Or maybe any season at all.

[shell heron]

Are you aiming for end of season ranks? If it's just AotN, then casual sandbagging is fine.

even with a start like that, it is still doable

[vague token]

i mean you can go like probably -4 or -5 and hit aotn even on avrora

with the right timing

xD

[sharp wing]

For Aotn you don't need sandbag...

You get aotn w/ no sandbag and 5-10 lost tickets, lol

[shell heron]

Remember that 12hr + maintenance? The one that cause some of us to lose 5 matches.

I had to rush very fast to touch AotN

[zenith tundra]

i landed on a lot of lvl 30-50s accounts refreshed into a lvl 89 hoping it would move

[sharp wing]

Yeah i remember that season. I got 3 rank ups in 1 push back then, straight to Aotn

w/ 15-16 lost tickets

[shell heron]

which server are you on again?

[sharp wing]

Sandy ofc

[shell heron]

I see, Avrora here

[sharp wing]

I know

That was my push on that Maint season, lol
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/516951413411020819/581924844426362900/unknown.png

[vague token]

i had that too lol

[shell heron]

Unfortunately, I'm in the server with other competitive sandbaggers. I need at least casual sandbagging

especially 2 days before season end

[sharp wing]

Casual sandbagging Avrora might not work

[vague token]

na im casual

it's doable

[lament lichen]

[vague token]

not -10 though

max -5

probably

[lament lichen]

am casual too

[shell heron]

maybe

[vague token]

i did it at -3

[sharp wing]

I mean, i ended up in top 10 1 hour in after last reset previous season on Sandy before going to sleep w/ 4 lost tickets.
So you know, pvp on Sandy is ded

Like really ded

4 lost tickets and ate ~4 +9s

[shell heron]

Sandy sounds nice for casual pvp

[sharp wing]

Sounds nice, but in reality it's pain, when you cannot do 10 tickets before sleep without +9s usually

So it's pretty much a stick w/ 2 ends

[zenith tundra]

no one else is moving at all

[shy hazel]

cay

i lost 5 matches that time

i was still top 7

[zenith tundra]

because rushers are bad

[shy hazel]

its all about consistency

[zenith tundra]

can't even beat sandbaggers with 5 more attempts

[shy hazel]

alot of ppl gave up early after that maint

in the end almosy everyone lost -50

[shell heron]

anyways time to move before next reset

4m warning

[shy hazel]

so endseason results were the same

[zenith tundra]

1st battle is a free win for me i'll wait for 3m

[vague token]

i had someone push 10 til

i was holding onto 6/10

so =D

[shell heron]

146 for first 5. Not the best but decent

[zenith tundra]

did u get any other bonus?

[shell heron]

nope, first 2 and thats it

[zenith tundra]

146 as well

[trim horizon]

[shell heron]

We did have the same first 2 bonuses

39 38

[zenith tundra]

i was hoping that guy at lvl 89 with nakaga oathed would move

[shell heron]

Usually by 10m if they didn't move, they probably won't

I was pushing it waiting til 5m

[zenith tundra]

on early resets i always wait till the end. u pretty much end up with full sandbaggers in list

[sharp wing]

136 here, basically like 1 ticket behind, lol

[zenith tundra]

i guess in sandy the wait fo +40 strat doesn't work

[sharp wing]

Nothing really work here... just RNG

[zenith tundra]

lol

[shell heron]

It's a gamble. Last season I got +33, +38 and +35

[sharp wing]

previous season i had good start, but then lost tickets

[shell heron]

It could have easily been +33 and nothing else

[zenith tundra]

every time i tried to get bonuses early i ended up with less score then trying to wait for 2nd reset attempts

[shell heron]

But I like this strat. It means I can actually get some sleep in

[leaden sequoia]

moar data points

256 vs 332 (76 diff) -> +4 => 16-19 diff per +1
280 vs 330 (50 diff) -> +2 => 17-25 diff per +1
302 vs 336 (34 diff) -> +2 => 12-17 diff per +1

since first 2 are both at rank Ensign/3rd rank, and assuming that point diff per +1 doesn't change within any rank, it's 17-19 diff per +1

[merry edge]

Does belfasts red matter in pvp?

Lighting up backline for burn damage?

@ me with answer please

[shy hazel]

ofc it matters

any skill tht can reignite bb fire helps dmg

or ignite ykkz

[charred sable]

[vague token]

also helps since ykk will run FE

so you need to refresh the fire

or it'll only tick like twice

[ionic magnet]

@ him

[vague token]

no u

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

[ionic magnet]

@merry edge

fine

[vague token]

i mean i was joking

[ionic magnet]

lol

[vague token]

but thanks xD

(didnt even do original response)

[finite valve]

tfw i still haven't max aurora red skill

but since she fall out of meta i say it is a blessing

lel

[vague token]

i was hoping her skills would work on subs

but alas it's only DD and CL

and whatever the heck transport boats

does pve even have transport boats?

why does it have transport boats?

so many questions

[finite valve]

transport boat are those gold carry boat

[vague token]

wait really?

i usually just think of them as treasure boats

never would have thought that

[sharp wing]

In some skills i think it reads as Cargo boats too. Tho ye, those Transport/Cargo are the ones in treasure nodes

[finite valve]

not like i am going to use CL for DD job anyway

[sharp wing]

I mean, wiki uses term Transport ship. Ingame skills use term Cargo ships

[hot creek]

120 grind is suffering

[sharp wing]

Anyways only Aurora and Karls retro has skill for those

Well, 110-120 grind is 1-110, but harder

[finite valve]

by the time you manage to get chou kai i would say you might have at least 1 ship at 120

unless you one of those luck sag

[vague token]

i wouldnt say harder

just sloooower

and more inconvenient

only 800k for sara and she'll be done

[sharp wing]

It's psychologically harder

Mostly

[vague token]

1.1mil for ykk

dont even want to think about saint louis and juneau

X_x

oh she had more than i thought, juneau is at 400k

[sharp wing]

You abused poor Junny

[vague token]

na, 3:3 in 11-4

100% safe

[sharp wing]

I'll believe you.... THIS 1 time

[finite valve]

re farming 3-4 to save oil just reminded me how much i hated fox farm

[vague token]

lol

[finite valve]

2 SR in 1 map

zzz

[vague token]

im just glad i got columbia

before 12 hits

xD

[sharp wing]

Remind me of ch9 w/ 2 BOSS drops...

[finite valve]

got shit to do

and need to save oil for w12

[vague token]

my oil isnt gonna make it though

[finite valve]

so just re farm 3-4

[vague token]

X-x

[finite valve]

zzz

[sharp wing]

My oil said goodbye

[vague token]

i might just barely have sara ready for 120

[sharp wing]

[finite valve]

tfw they don't announce 120 with w12

RIOT on the street

[sharp wing]

Grind sister Sara harder

[finite valve]

make it happen

[vague token]

im kinda surprised they didnt announce 120 yet

maybe they're waiting

or maybe we're here just to suffer for a week or w/e

of 110 in ch 12

[sharp wing]

I think we won't get update till 19th?

[vague token]

xD

[sharp wing]

Tho we get new dorm after maint

It's fishy as always w/ EN announcements

My list is ded

[vague token]

same

i got bonus at start

dead after that xD

[sharp wing]

and i only got +2 smh

[vague token]

ill probably just burn rerolls hope for lucky points

[finite valve]

this late in i doubt you going to get lucky

[sharp wing]

Hope dies last

But i wouldn't stress myself that much

[finite valve]

your hope can't die if you don't have any in the first place

[steep fog]

I wont jump to w12 yet

gotta finish roon

[vague token]

my saint louis already 250k

;)

[finite valve]

already finish all the grind

so can do whatever

[vague token]

only 2 million to go

xD

[vague token]

=(

nothing wrong with taking a break if you got to

burn out is strong

[zenith tundra]

@shell heron what is ur score?

[charred sable]

@balmy torrent just remember that the stakes in losing in PvP is really low due to low reward. So its mostly just a pride thing 😛

[zenith tundra]

@balmy torrent u can take a season off. u dont lose much anyway

lol

time to relearn to sandbag i guess

[steep fog]

[lament lichen]

[steep fog]

just play wash and do pvp normally

ez gensui

[shy hazel]

my 3rd consecutive top ten rn again

[charred sable]

there's pretty much two main reasons to put effort into PvP in AL: 1) gold bullins, and 2) pride

[shy hazel]

i have a,feeling it will break again this season

[charred sable]

if you are a hardcore collector/whale, you will need the gold bullins

[coral wren]

What a poor start this aeason, ugh..

[shy hazel]

im just doing it because i can

i dont even use the merits

[charred sable]

if you're not a hardcore collector/whale, you will end up with more gold bullins than you can use

[shy hazel]

350k merits now

road to 999999 merits

[charred sable]

Im currently in need of 7 gold bullins, so I'm putting in average amount of effort into PvP, but even if I dont get gensui, its not the end of the world since Im still getting 1 per week from weekly rewards, plus the occasional medal exchange

[shy hazel]

we get purin every two weeks

from,xchnge

[charred sable]

oh? I thought it was random

[shy hazel]

its somehow fixed

that way

[charred sable]

thats good to know

[shy hazel]

if purin cones,too late

the next one will come faster

80% of the time

when ssr,xchnge chnges

we get purin too

[zenith tundra]

what's ur score stella?

i hate the ui bug that doesnt show properly scores at the end

[ionic magnet]

am i the only one disappointed with a dev25 PR?

hood still feels better than monarch for some reason

[steep fog]

lul

[zenith tundra]

im not really sure myself. it feels like roon is strong but not quite broken for dev 26

i still dont have her gun tho

[steep fog]

roon has OP barrage at dev 30

[zenith tundra]

for backlines u miss a mgm till dev 30

[steep fog]

my dev 23 sanrui does OP dmg

so im happy

[zenith tundra]

and ap barrage is ap barrage at the end. useful in pvp and trash against light

[ionic magnet]

does monarch use triple 381

[steep fog]

use hood gun b4 dev 30

[ionic magnet]

yea im using twin 381 rn

[zenith tundra]

dont use barrage guns imo unless u fight bbs

or use her for event maps

without mgm +2 and with ap her dmg might be lacking with twin 381

[steep fog]

barrage is good in higher world when theres alot of med/heavy armor

treat her the same case as hood

[zenith tundra]

2 differences. mgm till dev 30 and ap barrage that is bad against light

[steep fog]

the thing is light has piss hp that even AP is enough

[zenith tundra]

i wouldnt treat her as hood till max dev and even then depends on what u fight

[steep fog]

or your meager 2shells

[zenith tundra]

and here we have someone saying she feels not better then hood tho...

[ionic magnet]

well im comparing their dmg against medium armors (hiryuu/amagi)

[zenith tundra]

u still miss fp most likely

[ionic magnet]

monarch has higher barrage dmg accdg to wiki so im confused

yea 40ish fp still missing

[zenith tundra]

till max dev level her stat arent maxed

is she max oath yet?

[ionic magnet]

ah no still 130 aff

hood is maxed

[vague token]

xD

[zenith tundra]

well i would wait for max to compare them

[ionic magnet]

yea

[arctic imp]

nice flex

[hidden wyvern]

https://i.imgur.com/vO8Yzlx.png

[vague token]

wait that got added as a bot?

xD

[arctic imp]

Yes

It was there for a long while

[ionic magnet]

bellona

[arctic imp]

Wat?

[midnight heron]

||nice flex||

[arctic imp]

Im gonna dread lv120 update

[prisma sandal]

But Belfast doesn't have a fan!

[arctic imp]

T_T

[modern tree]

I use 410 on Monarch cuz her barrage has no added effect so spamming it after her target sunk is pointless, so 381 ends up doing not much more than gimping her damage output faster

Hood is still buffing the main line after she's done and she has like 80 fp less anyway

[zenith tundra]

monarch barrage is only 300 more damage on medium according to wiki and it's affected by 120% of fp so any missing fp affects her so much more

[hot creek]

yeah when I was testing between using her with QE and or FCR, the difference in damage was pretty big.

[zenith tundra]

hsfcr white shell seems best setup for her

[ionic magnet]

its so hard to compare honestly cos hood and monarch barrage are so random

[zenith tundra]

what do u mean by random?

[hot creek]

varation in the spread

and they miss alot sometimes

[vague token]

i thought their patterns were fixed?

[zenith tundra]

i dont think any arching barrage is 100% the same every time. look at ws

[vague token]

fair enough

[coral wren]

Damn, reducing hit rate with white shell on monarch will make it even tougher to land her barrage.

[zenith tundra]

against amagi u miss because of her skill

[coral wren]

Yeah, but on top of it you trade 20 hit for 55 fp, while i suspect ppl are already putting wheel which is +25 eva compared to sg. Do they also put a badge on her?

[zenith tundra]

my amagi uses sg hsfcr now

no washing machine yet

i dont think people will use 2 evasion aux on amagi till ws kai

her hit rating is lower then other bb and she needs to land shoots to deal damage

[ionic magnet]

i meant its random cos their barrages are split to multiple shots. so its easy to miss some shots and varies a lot

its like around 15-60% of amagis hp from my testing

[midnight heron]

amagi shud change name to rngi

usually her barrage flies into space but today she triple killed 3 low hp backline in 1 barrage

[zenith tundra]

with belfast it was 30 33 25 (nagato barrage) 35 46

saint louis death

with jintsuu 30 37 30 47 37

and every time juneau died before her

[coral wren]

lobby is sleeping..

[zenith tundra]

i'm at 7/10 already

[grim ember]

Any1 tried using Z class in pvp? R they gud?

[coral wren]

R they gud?
Nope

[modern tree]

Juneau z1 and z46 is a merely okay front that dies to existence of Aurora

[shy hazel]

so poetic

[elder crane]

PvP doesn't have evasion at as powerful effect as in PvE anyways, for evadable dmg, since no lv advantage and higher hit stat on ships than PvE stuff

[coral wren]

Alex, why is noone pushing on shitshington

[stark raft]

Just sleep, you can make it even missing 2 resets

[coral wren]

It's 16.00 pm where i am 😄

That's kinda sad, because usually when i'm working i can easily check every 15 mins if anyone is moving. But i guess i just got in one lobby with americans

[stark raft]

Wash has tons of EU

And I recognize most of the sandbaggers that I refresh on them

[coral wren]

You just memorize them? I think i should make a txt file and write down all of them

[stark raft]

Just look at frequent end of season top 10 ppl

I don't see most of em in top 100 right now

[steep fog]

tf I never even sandbag in wash

[elder crane]

My list has basically been dead most of the time

[steep fog]

u dont even need to rush to gensui

just do pvp normally and dont lose

then u will get gensui

[sharp wing]

Washi and Sandy are soulmates

[coral wren]

Both born to suffer

[sharp wing]

Nah, to make you suffer

They enjoy it

[coral wren]

They really should implement server transfer, this is no joke

[sharp wing]

They just shouldn't release new server after Sandy.

Combine Sandy and Washi population, and you might get somehting

[odd schooner]

Wonder why there's only 1 warspite comp

[sharp wing]

Wasn't there like 3 was comps?

[leaden sequoia]

EX/rainbow tier

[sharp wing]

EX = big pp

[odd schooner]

[sharp wing]

When something so fcking tanky, you sue gyro instead of Boiler Fix pls it's broken

[coral wren]

seattle with hms
Uhhh

what?

[odd schooner]

I'm very

[sharp wing]

[odd schooner]

I suppose gyro so you could slam a backline asap

[lament lichen]

Gryo for accuracy since azuma hits backline

[odd schooner]

Ye

[lament lichen]

Thats literally the only reason why she runs it

Over boiler

Her hp is way higher than junny in tank

[odd schooner]

God knows how many ppl on that region had pr rudders on their backline

[lament lichen]

And junny always dies before her in mid

[sharp wing]

She has HP of BC

[lament lichen]

Rudder is almost useless when they have double hfcr

[sharp wing]

And no eva on Ryuus

much useless at that point

Also, they have WasdE in list, but no WasdA, same as some of those WS comps, like wsfoxes etc.

[elder crane]

He put in WaSDE to make a commentary

about how 1 year ago that was the pinnacle of PvP

and now it's trash

[merry edge]

dont lose and you'll get gensui

[sharp wing]

That depends on yr server

[merry edge]

Im on washy

[sharp wing]

For washi is true

[merry edge]

How was wasd good at first?

[elder crane]

whoops misread meaning

[odd schooner]

Was there a reason why he didn't add more WS comps

[sharp wing]

I still sue WasdA on offense

[elder crane]

also I think the guy just puts in what he thinks is the "best", or one of, is for each team

in the article, he says he just groups all of the similar ones

[odd schooner]

I see

[elder crane]

e.g. Namayuu-Stall is all together, no matter if the flex is Bel, Sheff, Aurora, Neptune, Louis

But iirc he's quite opinionated on what the optimal Warspite comp is

[sharp wing]

Tbh any ws comp will work on offense, be it wsfoxes or wsamagi something

or hms

[elder crane]

not anymore apparently, even his "optimal" WS comp is now only about 50-60% winrate offense vs namayuu azuma

with azuma at dev20

[sharp wing]

If not facing that Azuma FdG bs, that will probably need some BB backline to withstand

[elder crane]

FdG in namagi is hypothetical for now, she doesn't work yet at dev20 apparently

well, isn't optimal yet

[sharp wing]

well

[elder crane]

Azuma is already clearly optimal at dev20 which is somewhat worrying

[sharp wing]

The problem is getting decisive dev20 lol

200 bps w/ ~5 per event

[elder crane]

I think a good number of ppl think she works at dev 15 already
Dev20 is only cause the testers have her there imo

it's not like you can downgrade a PR to test

[sharp wing]

Imo it's just cause very few have dev 20