pvp

[ionic magnet]

oils

[vague token]

xD

[ionic magnet]

anything other than merits that we cant use

[quick gust]

they could give cubes nad coins as rewards tho

to top 1000

[vague token]

they could do a lot of things

xD

[zenith tundra]

the problem is the merit shop no the rewards

[quick gust]

they could succ my .... (jk)

[vague token]

[charred sable]

Almost overslept and lost 5 attacks

[vague token]

oof

did you already sleep through a separate one? xD

[ionic magnet]

rank 1 👀

[charred sable]

I think I've lost 3 attacks so far, which is kind of recoverable

[vague token]

ah ok

[charred sable]

Had I lost 8, would have been RIP

[vague token]

i was like your points are lower than mine and im -3 or -4

xD

think im -4 matches cause sleep

[cerulean estuary]

oxycolas for top 10

[zenith tundra]

it's actually better then nothing. plus u don't need to waste oil on food

[ionic hill]

buying bulin every day

[hot creek]

Kiro plays feh?

[vague token]

lol no

only on launch

i know some people who are active

xD

unlike AL i cant auto that game

so it doesnt work well for me since i play other video games

[zenith tundra]

2nd floor is so slow to recover morale... i want a roof already with higher recover

[vague token]

or a basement

[zenith tundra]

that seems like a place where ships would lose morale/affection

[vague token]

xD

na that's the classroom

i think it reduces morale at least

[charred sable]

Basement can either increase or decrease morale depending on the ship

[midnight heron]

dis rly shows how much losing during commodore & above ranks can set u back :O
(for context both accs lost 1 match, but acc on left lost early on while acc on right lost pretty late into commodore period)

[zenith tundra]

it depends on bonuses too

unless u just rush

[vague token]

i mean losing early still ends up being only -10 unless you were gonna cash out big bonus points

[midnight heron]

i just use all my charges till i reach the bottleneck aka +9

[vague token]

xD

[midnight heron]

so pt gain for both acc shud be pretty consistent

its just way harder to get bonus pt when u're far into commodore ranks

[zenith tundra]

losing earlier or later shouldn't change the amount of attempts u do which leads to the same amount of points. being behind does tend to give more bonuses so being behind early u have better chances at getting bonuses

[midnight heron]

yea 9 pt diff is pretty big 😮

[zenith tundra]

the base amount of points for all attempts without bonuses is around 2500 u have at least 30-40 bonus points

if on 1 account u rush later u have higher chances of getting people that moved in ur list that give points

[midnight heron]

yea but i hate waiting lul

also dats like 3 bonus points per day which shud be pretty normal for rushing

[zenith tundra]

unless u play at the same time and on the same server points can't be identical and even then it's still rng who u get in list

[midnight heron]

nah its diff server just to see the diff states of each

[coral wren]

For the record, I hate seeing Hiryuu.

[hot creek]

Don't we all.

[coral wren]

Son of a bitch. With six exercises left to go I'm 63 out of first place, and I don't see myself getting any more bonuses at this point.

Why is there even a Chinese person on the English server to begin with?

[vague token]

maybe he/she has friends on EN?

xD

[coral wren]

If that were the case I don't think their name and ship names would all be in moonrunes.

[vague token]

i mean

people play on JP

who arent jp

it can go all directions

xD

[coral wren]

Unless a miracle happens I'm probably finishing in second place this season.

I dropped one and forgot to use one, and not fucking up either of those would have most likely left me NUMBAH WAN.

[vague token]

[midnight heron]

[zenith tundra]

@shy hazel i'm done with the grind... now to wait 14hrs for last 2 unlocks

[noble gyro]

madlad

[coral wren]

Dropped another. Got screwed by matchmaking. Ended up in 5th. Fuck Hiryuu.

[vague token]

xD

[ionic magnet]

2588 pts

dang 1 pt behind vlysha

doubt this is enough for top 10

[vague token]

hmm, im kinda curious if swapping to 380 AP might be kinda nice

[ionic magnet]

for who?

[vague token]

amagi and nagato

like once roon/saint louis come online

there's a lot more ap targets

than light targets

[zenith tundra]

don't use ap unless a 3 bb team tbh

[vague token]

instead of 3:3 it's 4 medium/heavy

[zenith tundra]

and even then is mostly not worth it

[ionic magnet]

isnt 410 proto the better AP gun

[vague token]

i mean those are expensive

xD

[zenith tundra]

not for pvp for sure

[vague token]

well like, ap will slow down killing juneau

[ionic magnet]

i tested that gun for a while with doy actually

[zenith tundra]

u wouldn't use ap in 1st place why use a slow ap gun?

[vague token]

and speed up hiryuu/amagi/CA kills

which means you might get picks on larger enemies before juneau heals em back up

[zenith tundra]

i like ap in the event but for pvp no thanks

[ionic magnet]

yea HE is still better cos AP does shit dmg on VGs

[vague token]

but it wont

it will only go down on juneau and ykk

[zenith tundra]

plus fire is not mitigated in pvp

[vague token]

roon and saint louis eat huge damage from ap

i have sara for fire xD

[ionic magnet]

well id rather kill ykkz and jun earlier

than CAs

[vague token]

well, usually it's tough to kill juneau first

[coral wren]

Will Bismarck finally make KMS viable?

[vague token]

unless she's lead and you get lucky torp positioning

and if you big seven she probably already died

xD

[zenith tundra]

kms is close to decent. i'll wait for roon 120 and max dev to say whatever is viable or not

[shell heron]

If I have enough for 2596 pts if I rush now, I can expect 2600+ to be rank 1 again

[coral wren]

I'm close to finishing Roon.

[ionic magnet]

AP is an option for sure and it can really hurt enemy backlines

but i still like HE for consistency

[coral wren]

I think I might go for that IJN BB after I finish her.

[vague token]

it's not good yet because we're still 3:3 light to medium/heavy

i only mean once we get full CA up

or like azuma

[zenith tundra]

fire does 600dmg x tick mg shoots do around 1k

[vague token]

does the gun fire prioritize over big seven?

[ionic magnet]

isnt jun and ykkz mainstays even in jp

[vague token]

[zenith tundra]

they are core vg pretty much

at least for all bb comps

[vague token]

the only one that hurts is killing ykk slower if you're lucky enough to hit her with a bb gun

[zenith tundra]

foxes might still use other stuff

[vague token]

but killing juneau late

is an advantage

since you kill her 60% slower or so

and you kill CA w/e % faster

you can negate a larger portion of health

[zenith tundra]

wonder if u lose vg fight u still end up winning

[vague token]

i dunno

this is literally me just

[zenith tundra]

i'll try full ap for memes in mirror

[vague token]

i doubt it's actually good

[ionic magnet]

solo ykkz is really annoying to kill with 3 BBs

[coral wren]

Do you suppose Nagato/Izumo/Hiryuu could be viable?

[ionic magnet]

so my priority is to kill her first

[vague token]

since we're still not CA vg

there's no reason

as long as it's triple light

[zenith tundra]

amagi is vital

if u don't have her rip

[coral wren]

Amagi is not available.

[vague token]

rip

[ionic magnet]

rip

[vague token]

once meta shifts ill try double 380

it's not necessary yet

xD

[zenith tundra]

izumo doesn't cover anything that amagi does tbh i'd see her at best as a 3rd spot for namagi

[coral wren]

Is the triple 410 proto worth a shit?

[zenith tundra]

for pve yes

[coral wren]

Nobody cares about PvE.

[zenith tundra]

pvp not a chance unless some weird hms setup with ws kai

[coral wren]

What makes the 3x410 proto bad aside from AP?

[vague token]

i mean it's just an ap 406

it's not like it's bad

but it's just eh

bbs are still barrage speed focused atm

and forever really

xD

i think only biscuit works in pve as top tier vanilla gunner

only with shell

[ionic magnet]

only doy can abuse 410 imo

[vague token]

na biscuit was t0 on usagi

[zenith tundra]

ap is the main reason. outside of that it would be fine

[ionic magnet]

1 shot on medium armor deals 3.7k dmg on first shot

[vague token]

im pretty sure she rivals doy

biscuit is easily better on alpha, because she gets it every barrage

and 100% crit is better than 50% on 1 salvo

because you can boost it to 75% with shell

doy gets utility

[ionic magnet]

oh completely forgot bisko is a thing

[vague token]

yeah

she isnt pve t0 yet for us no shell

so she should be tied with doy

since doy gets 12% amp

which is probably comparable to 20% crit rate

[coral wren]

I hope they do something about the meta soon. This Namagiryuu shit needs to stop.

[vague token]

more or less

lol

nope

[ionic magnet]

lol

[vague token]

sorry, azuma is here

namagiryuu is here FOREVERRRR

[ionic magnet]

warkai will save the us soon

[vague token]

oh sorry

fdg/namagi

with azuma

[coral wren]

If only Final Shooting were RNG instead of every time.

[vague token]

as 4th ijn

[hot creek]

tfw you realize hiryuu is getting a retro

[ionic magnet]

lmao

[vague token]

who needs final counter

when you have 10k base hp

and increasing damage reduction

as you get lower

xD

so you stall even more

balanced

[coral wren]

At a bare minimum the final counter airstrike should reset the timer for her normal airstrike.

Getting two airstrikes within a few seconds is bullshit.

[modern tree]

Play HMS

[outer stump]

I mean Amagi and nagato does more than Hiryuu, she is just a floating boat

I mean give Amagi nagato buff and she can pop every ship she wants

[zenith tundra]

namaryuu isnt going anywhere for a long time

[vague token]

until we get dev 20 fdg basically

xD

or maybe 25

for max hp ;)

[zenith tundra]

even in ws kai meta still 100% viable on offense

[coral wren]

The problem with Hiryuu isn't so much her overall damage output as her "Oh, you have a vanguard ship and two main fleet ships still alive against just me? lol not anymore and now you can't reset because fuck you it all disappeared instantly"

[outer stump]

I hope PvP will get semnificant changes in the near future

[vague token]

i mean ykk usually just tanks it easy

[zenith tundra]

i dont see new event soon so idk about new ship that could change meta

[vague token]

[zenith tundra]

jb wont change stuff as well as essex or taihou

[ionic magnet]

well 120 is coming so its a plus for CAs/BBs

[vague token]

isnt taihou better than base hiryuu?

[zenith tundra]

if u want to use her yes but for defense hiryuu should be better

[vague token]

ah

[modern tree]

Let's face it, if new UI actually meant "game going out of beta" like they said, there will never be any significant system overhauls because they will always be focusing on live content. There's basically no chance for pvp changes because of how game dev works combined with PvP performing it's core function extraordinary well

[vague token]

[outer stump]

Did the Akagi-chan bug got fixed?

[midnight heron]

if its any help i fought some namagi akagichan fleet and got no problems when their vg died though im not sure if she had a chance to airstrike after they dead

[outer stump]

I mean... Not too many people is leveling her up

Using her just for the loli memes

But still I'm tired about those tryhard comps

wasd are no longer a thing

[coral wren]

Honestly, what could really be done to make PvP less of a shitshow?

[vague token]

too much work

[hot creek]

just use your own namaryuu ez

[vague token]

for it to be ever worth it

[outer stump]

That's one of the big reasons why I hate ijn

[modern tree]

Wasd Enterprise can easily win games if they use Eldridge or Helena.

[outer stump]

I still leveled the main ships but I don't want to use them

[coral wren]

Even if I had Amagi, that won't change the fact that the entire meta is Namagiryuu or Nakaga.

[outer stump]

@modern tree but against Amagi, nagato, Hiryuu it's fucked

[modern tree]

It's not

[outer stump]

How's that?

[modern tree]

I just said what you need to di

[outer stump]

I had to reset like 10 times

Eldridge...

[modern tree]

Have you been playing with Eldridge or Helena

[outer stump]

But combined whit Juneau isn't a bad ideea?

[coral wren]

WASDE is a joke.

[hot creek]

Nakaga is barely even relevant lol

[coral wren]

Barely relevant? 90% of PvP is running it.

[hot creek]

yeah and its shit

wasdE > nakaga

fact

[outer stump]

I can agree

[vague token]

xD

[outer stump]

Foxes are no longer a big threat

[coral wren]

WASDE is shit I don't even need to watch in case of reset.

[outer stump]

Still some matches are 50/50

[hot creek]

a properly setup wasd is gonna give even Namaryuu trouble every once in awhile

[outer stump]

What is that?

[ionic magnet]

if hms can win then you're fine

[modern tree]

HMS can win, confirmed by Daxam

[coral wren]

WASDE is on the same level as Ark Royal+DDs.

[hot creek]

Eldridge Helena, like Daxam said.

pretty great against Namaryuu typical stall VG

[outer stump]

But I think you are pretty fucked if they have Aurora...

[hot creek]

everyone is just too lazy to train eldy to 110

[zenith tundra]

old wasde build lol

[coral wren]

Adding fourth rate vanguard ships isn't going to improve a third rate fleet.

[zenith tundra]

with that comp u would still lose to foxes it only works against hiryuu

and ofc 60 + 60 rng comp for u to deal dmg

[outer stump]

That's what I was thinking

[hot creek]

well aginst foxes you just sub in Belfast ez

foxes are not a problem for wasd

[zenith tundra]

for wasd no but enty is nothing to foxes

with 120 im curious to see how many eldrdge in pvp to counter namaryuu

[outer stump]

I think wasdE outscales foxes in 3:0 fights

[odd schooner]

Nah

[outer stump]

I mean they have faster attacks but lucky E hurts

[odd schooner]

E pops 2nd foxtrike

Or worse she dies on 1st one

[outer stump]

It rarely does atm for me

Only if she gets ayaya torps

[odd schooner]

[zenith tundra]

enty blows her load in opponent vg. she might just die after 1 airstrike

[coral wren]

I don't think Lucky E killed a single one of my ships this entire season.

[zenith tundra]

amagi is a counter to any damage pretty much. if u use her is normal

[coral wren]

I'm running Nagato/Kaga/Akagi/Sirius/Yukikaze/Ayanami.

Ayanami never seems to stick around long so I want to replace her with something more useful eventually.

[finite valve]

should use aurora for that comp tbh

ayaya is too inconsistent

[coral wren]

I would if RNGsus wasn't busy fucking me in the ass every time I throw cubes at him.

[shell heron]

If you want to go all in on Akaga damage. Aurora is a really good option

[finite valve]

you don't use wishing well?

[coral wren]

No lube.

[finite valve]

oh

rip

[outer stump]

I'm happy that u still use foxes

[coral wren]

23 San Diegos, but not one Aurora.

[finite valve]

foxes is still worth using

just not after WS kai

[vague token]

did fox + ws kai get demoted?

im pretty sure that one was ok

[finite valve]

i don't play JP so dk how good it is

[vague token]

[finite valve]

if mirror just turn into 2 v 2

so no idea how that goes

[coral wren]

I think I might train up Juneau and swap her in for Ayanami if Aurora never drops.

[finite valve]

in that case just use amagi

that's my comp atm

[coral wren]

Sure. Just send me an Amagi.

[finite valve]

can reliable clear all comp on daily basic

another rip lel

[outer stump]

I wonder how are foxes against Amagi, nagato, Hiryuu?

[finite valve]

not too bad

very few time i need to reset

[coral wren]

Usually fine unless the RNG decides that the opponent's Big Seven goes off every time and yours never does.

[finite valve]

even when rushing can just clear them in 1 try

[outer stump]

I dont think nagato barrage hurts that badly than I expected

To backline

For vanguard sometimes it demolishes everything

[finite valve]

if you lose VG before their does you already lost

[coral wren]

The only trouble I have with Namagiryuu is when it's down to just Hiryuu against my battered fleet and she gets two airstrikes in while her immunity is still up.

The only two battles I lost this season Hiryuu just deleted what I had left with no warning.

"I still have two vanguard and two mains. I should be fine."
"LOL NO"

[finite valve]

if you can't proc hiryuu skill before your VG reach her it is best to just reset

[vague token]

heavy armor reduces nagato barrage a lot

[finite valve]

only time when you don't need to is your back line are full HP

[vague token]

it's your medium armor backlines that are sad

[outer stump]

The imunity time should be nerfed

Down to enterprise one

[finite valve]

then they just going to move to the next best ship

[coral wren]

The immunity time would be fine if the Final Counter airstrike reset her airstrike timer.

[finite valve]

just cus meta is cancer does not mean the next meta won't be as cancer as the previous

[coral wren]

Instead of this two airstrikes in ten seconds while she's invulnerable shit.

[finite valve]

might seem that way cus you missing ship for a proper comp tbh

most vet here don't have that problem

[outer stump]

But don't foxes because of their fast strikes strike for nothing in her imunity?

I mean you get that much reduced cd whit foxes that u just simply strike while her skill is on

[finite valve]

depend on WHEN you proc her skill

[outer stump]

Still u proc her pretty harder

[finite valve]

if you proc her skill right after your foxes strike then yeh you fuck

[outer stump]

Amagi procs one of your CV whit 2 barrages

[finite valve]

not a problem to me about the timing of hiryuu proc since when she proc either YKK are alive or my back line 3 v 1 her

in both case still win win

[outer stump]

I can't tell how your backline can still be 3vs1 against their strong atracks

And ACC buff ofc

[finite valve]

lol when i fight vs cancer it always my 3 back line + YKK vs a lone hiryuu

ez

[coral wren]

But can your back line really take her on when their barrages and/or airstrikes activate right after she Final Counters and then gets a second airstrike in while still invulnerable?

[vague token]

if you have ykk on hiryuu's face

[finite valve]

if you proc right after you unload everything on her then yes you going to lose

[vague token]

your backline isnt gonna take too much pressure

the dives all get eaten up

[finite valve]

not to mention jesus heal like 25% of the back line HP

[vague token]

but if she using ryuusei you'll have to get nervous

[coral wren]

See, the problem isn't that she has the 15s invulnerability or that she can get two airstrikes in a short time, it's that she has both.

[finite valve]

not really a problem if your YKK is at like 50%+ HP

[coral wren]

"Hiryuu is easy to beat if all these different scenarios fall into place"

[finite valve]

that's RNG in a nut shell tbh

[coral wren]

It shouldn't require a planetary alignment to beat one ship on a regular basis.

[outer stump]

Compared to other carriers, Hiryuu damage is pretty low tbh

[finite valve]

[outer stump]

I mean even one fox does better

[finite valve]

i think it is best you raise jesus and put her on off tank and get a tank tbh

[coral wren]

Her damage is pretty good when you consider that the only airstrikes that matter will be occuring when your fleet is severely damaged and she can't be hurt.

[finite valve]

since if YKK is alive by the time hiryuu proc 99% of the time you going to win

[coral wren]

Except that both battles I lost this season were to Hiryuu with Yuki in her face and both Nagato and Akagi still alive before her second invulnerable airstrike made them all disappear without warning.

[vague token]

sounds like you got rnged

[finite valve]

well yeh that happen when both amagi and nagato still alive

[coral wren]

Rather than an invulnerability period Final Counter should rez her with 10% HP +1% per skill level up to 20%.

[finite valve]

implying they going to balance a skill only for pvp purpose

which they will not

take a look at amagi barrage

[coral wren]

implying the skill has any use outside of PvP

[finite valve]

broken since release

eh yeh that skill is useless outside of pvp

so yeh my statement is still correct

[coral wren]

I doubt anyone has actually ever used Hiryuu for PvE.

[finite valve]

pre kai

post kai she is useable

[outer stump]

In W12 she is used whit her sister by some people

[finite valve]

if you like her

foxes > bunnies

[coral wren]

You'd think the devs would look at the fact that 90% of people who have leveled any of the rabbits have Hiryuu at max with Final Counter at 10 and her other skill untouched, and her sister at like level 30 just farming commissions forever.

Clearly they intended for them to be paired like the foxes and cranes, but that never happens.

[outer stump]

Would use cranes, even if they aren't that good

U have a truth about me, but my hiryuu is 80

[coral wren]

They never intended for Hiryuu to be used this way, and they may want to adjust Final Counter to mitigate that somewhat.

[finite valve]

like i said they have 0 intend to touch pvp at all so just either deal with it or get gud at this point

prime example of this is amagi barrage

[vague token]

i mean we have no idea what they intend

[outer stump]

And her final counder maxed because too god damn many Def books

[vague token]

if ws kai is anything to go by they dont really care about pvp ;)

[outer stump]

I'm outta of offensive one

[finite valve]

not fixing amagi for like what 2 3 months is not enough for an example?

[coral wren]

It's really easy to see what they intend when her second skill relates to being paired with her sister.

[finite valve]

and yes that barrage i would say is game breaking level already

[vague token]

i mean that isnt anything unique

ws kai + bunnies is a jp thing

if i recall

[lament lichen]

thats just one person

[vague token]

xD

[outer stump]

@finite valve the damage or visuals?

[lament lichen]

it worked because ws kai skill used to have 100% fp mod

now its like 80%

[finite valve]

both lel

[vague token]

ah

[finite valve]

since the visual affect where / how the bullet will land

so ofc it will affect the damage

[lament lichen]

and that was only for pvp

but still does 90% of someone's hp

[outer stump]

I didn't know that her barrage damages all the backline

[vague token]

i feel like it should be still doable

but dunno

xD

[finite valve]

@outer stump eh the bug i am talking about is how her barrage is different when you on off vs when on def

from X shape to V shape

[outer stump]

But the staff told us like a billion times the visuals got fixed

[finite valve]

you must be blind if you can't even check it in game lel

they never fix the damn thing

check if you don't believe me

[coral wren]

I think overall the best thing they could do to make PvP more than just the same two or three fleets would be to reduce aircraft HP and make AA actually mean something. That would reduce the dominance of the foxes and make Hiryuu less irritating.

[outer stump]

I mean I've noticed

But what I was saying is that they didn't fixed what they should've fix

[vague token]

uh, that would be bad because bb meta is real

[finite valve]

which is my point all a long

they never fix amagi in anyway

they are lying through their teeth

[lament lichen]

gonna be more about BBs once we get w12

[coral wren]

Reduced carrier effectiveness would make the meta far healthier, since there would be more fleets actually viable beyond foxes and IJN BBs.

[finite valve]

in a BB infested world?

yeh gl bro

[vague token]

uh no, that just establishes namagi/fdg even harder

lol

[finite valve]

every OP ship we have are all of BB BC class

[vague token]

namagi/fdg is end game

[finite valve]

name even 1 OP CV that is from any recent event

that is meta in pvp btw

the only 1 is centaur

but her event is like half a year long already

[vague token]

i mean centaur isnt even op since she requires a whole gear swap to sync with her

[finite valve]

yep

[vague token]

she's just good

[finite valve]

so like i said either deal with it or get gud tbh

[vague token]

i mean there's no getting gud, you just mirror

[finite valve]

CV atm are at the short end of the stick

[vague token]

there's no skill

;)

[finite valve]

how to get gud if you don't have the ship for it?

teach me your way senpai

[vague token]

xD

[coral wren]

When 99% of competitive fleets are using one of three combinations of five ships in the back line, that's not a matter of git gud. That's a matter of "Maybe something needs to be done about this so the other 400 ships in the game might see some use."

[ionic magnet]

feels good to be in that 1%

[finite valve]

meta exist for a reason bro

same as any ladder game

[ionic magnet]

foxes had their time

[coral wren]

Foxes are still 90% of the competitive fleets.

[ionic magnet]

nah

[finite valve]

on off

def you use cancer

[ionic magnet]

foxes are like 20-25% maybe lower

namagi is definitely more popular now

[coral wren]

Namagiryuu is a better fleet, but far less common because it's so much harder to get both BBs than it is to get both foxes.

[ionic magnet]

again, namagi is more common now

[finite valve]

tell that to the top 1k

[ionic magnet]

atleast on top ranks

[finite valve]

top 1k are all cancer

[vague token]

i mean depends on what server

xD

[coral wren]

Namagi isn't nearly as common as one of the two with the foxes.

[finite valve]

i dk where you are but avrora top 100 are full of cancer comp

[ionic magnet]

you wouldnt complain about hiryuu if foxes are still meta tbh

[coral wren]

The foxes can be farmed. The BBs can't. Far more people have the foxes than both BBs. That's just how it goes.

[ionic magnet]

what server and what rank are you on

👀

[finite valve]

and how many of those ppl going to be in top 100 or 1k?

[zenith tundra]

people who play foxes complain about hiryuu tbh

[finite valve]

there is a reason why you don't see those ppl on top rank

tfw when you play foxes and you just like eh whatever to all comp

LMFAO

[ionic magnet]

good times

[zenith tundra]

last time i checked top 100 had 30+ namaryuu comps not including any namagi ones in avrora

[ionic magnet]

also hiryuu+foxes is a legit comp

if you dont have nagato/amagi

id argue its better than nakaga/amakaga actually

[finite valve]

well you can just always win on off

[coral wren]

Was ranked 5 earlier on Washington. Seems I'm 11 now.

[finite valve]

any server that is not name avrora is pretty much not on the radar of pvpers sadly

[coral wren]

You sure like to move goalposts a lot.

[finite valve]

since out of all the server only avrora are the most competitive

[ionic magnet]

[finite valve]

we are talking about meta or what now?

i don't see how i am moving goal post when the discussion was about meta

[coral wren]

It's the same meta on all the EN servers.

You can't get ships on Aurora that aren't available on Washington.

[finite valve]

then pls check ranking score of wash vs avrora at end of season

[zenith tundra]

the difference is how much people care about pvp

[finite valve]

to see which has higher score

there is a different between casual vs hardcore

[vague token]

i mean it isnt hardcore to just use the easily consistent fleet

that's just paying attention

xD

[coral wren]

No, you don't understand. The guys on Aurora drink Monster and punch walls when they're doing PvP with the exact same ships and gear as every other server.

[ionic magnet]

21 namagis and 4 akagas in top 50 rn in avrora

1 hms 1 wasd

[finite valve]

ok you can think what you want tbh

[lament lichen]

but aurora isnt even a server

[finite valve]

but at this point i think further discussion is not going to go anywhere

as for your reason of buffing or nerfing specific ship in pvp meta so that other ship got a spot light in pvp

gl on your dream / hope tbh

i am sure i won't

[vague token]

yus just hit dev 25

(saint louis)

ultimate power!

[finite valve]

for a meat bag

[vague token]

5k hp

[ionic magnet]

dang my last 2 monarch bps are taking forever

[vague token]

for 25?

[ionic magnet]

yea

[vague token]

oof

i got a medium guaranteed saint louis research

picked up 3 =D

[shell heron]

I refreshed a medium monarch in hopes of a sanrui project. Didn't get one

[finite valve]

all my PR are still around dev 14

been focusing on getting gear instead

[hot creek]

gotta feel a little bit for all those nakaga users out there. shit was so hyped up in JP, all the casuals immediately flocked to it. Meanwhile, anyone who had a sense of pvp knowledge began training their Hiryuus instead.

[vague token]

i mean it's fast it's fun

but in the end no amount of speed gets past 15 second invuln

[finite valve]

how fast is mirror cancer anyway?

my foxes usually finish in 1 min

[hot creek]

sure is fast. if you stay out of top 100

[vague token]

xD

[finite valve]

consider that cancer are a better version of wasd

i doubt they are faster than foxes

[zenith tundra]

namaryuu mirror is easy as long as u don't fight optimal setups

[hot creek]

namaryuu mirror? Usually like 1.5 - 2.5 min.with around 80% win rate

[zenith tundra]

that's where u start losing to rng

[finite valve]

how long tho?

lol

[hot creek]

yukikaze is a bitch sometimes

[vague token]

xD

[finite valve]

my foxes just finish in 1 min

zzz

[zenith tundra]

i dont have problems with yukikaze somehow

[hot creek]

your foxes aren't beating namaryuu in 1 min, in fact they won't beat them at all until probably around 5 resets or so

[finite valve]

?

i won most of mine in 1 try

what you talking?

[zenith tundra]

i think it depends on the setup too. fight unoathed or poorly placed namaryuu isnt hard

[finite valve]

implying that i don't fight full oathed cancer in top 100

lel

[zenith tundra]

when u see stuff like juneau lead and anagi bot

[vague token]

/havent oathed juneau

[finite valve]

same

[zenith tundra]

if u fight any juneau lead the fight its literally 30% at least easier

[finite valve]

if they kai jesus in the future

not oathing her seem to be the correct choice

since by that point she going to be too tanky

[hot creek]

i garuantee you're not beating a proper namaryuu comp if you're beating it so easily. foxes have problems even against unoathed namaryuu

[finite valve]

not like i care since i can just beat whatever in 1 try

[zenith tundra]

if u ever find me in ur list just ping me and i'll setup a proper namaryuu for u to test

[finite valve]

did see you a few time but you always not left most

so yeh lel

[hot creek]

whats this magical fox comp that beats namaryuus so ez then

[zenith tundra]

u can always reset test u know

[finite valve]

like i said i never into gathering data on stuff i never really into

my comp is just foxes amagi sirius tank YKK mid jesus

[coral wren]

Don't you get it? He's such a hardcore PvPer that he's skilled enough to 360 noscope the opposing back line at the beginning of every match and never has to worry about RNG.

[vague token]

[finite valve]

if you just going to be like this then i think you should just stay quiet tyvm

[coral wren]

What, are you going to 360 noscope me too?

[finite valve]

oh brother

whatever

[stark raft]

[finite valve]

tfw you are an adult that need to deal with children

[shy hazel]

does it rly matter

[finite valve]

zzz

[stark raft]

get 360'd by akaga sponsored by EchoFox kiddo

[finite valve]

to him it does lel

[shy hazel]

i just laze,around when i fight amagi foxes wtv front dont even have to look screen

always win

dunbo about offensive foxes but id it works for him

just leave alone

[finite valve]

winning vs a comp that is meant to be use on the off is not really saying much lel

[shell heron]

Avrora is still sandbagging til the end aren't they. I know 2589 is not this season's high

[finite valve]

foxes was never meant for def

[shy hazel]

offense diff from defense works anwys

[finite valve]

you winning vs def does not really say much

[hot creek]

we're not talking about fox defense

[finite valve]

i was just talking about that sentence from him

not the whole discussion

[shy hazel]

cay

[hot creek]

whatever, ill try it out next time and see results for myself anyways

[shy hazel]

avrora sandbag doesnt end untilu see famine kamita

on top

[finite valve]

trying to win vs no lifers in a moblie game

meh i rather have my beauty sleep

[shy hazel]

u should play gbf

[finite valve]

hate pvp but recommend a pvp game?

ok.....

also i am not that crazy to play that game

that is not a game but a job

[hot creek]

how about fgo

[shy hazel]

fgo has no competitive side

[finite valve]

not a whale so pass

[shy hazel]

only gacha

only gbf is true e sports

[vague token]

no dreams only gacha

[finite valve]

implying you going to get anything being f2p

[hot creek]

you can do anything if you're a luckerdog

[shy hazel]

lets see

to get too 10 endseason in al

[finite valve]

share me some of your luck lel

[vague token]

im kinda surprised im 38th for now with -4 games

lol

[shy hazel]

u only need about combined hour a day

just login time to time

gbf every guild wars u clock 16 hours for 6 days

in a week

not that hard

[vague token]

o.O

[shy hazel]

16*6

[finite valve]

just the amount of time you need to farm for omega weapon alone surpass any PR farm AL has

[vague token]

big yikes

[finite valve]

not to mention grid farm

[shy hazel]

96hours

[finite valve]

meh i rather pay chinese farmer

[shy hazel]

thats why i can top ten season end in al easily

esp if i rly try

[finite valve]

you need to first got all element grid ready

[shy hazel]

[finite valve]

that ain't hell

that's the abyss

[shy hazel]

i have all grids 10 juts flb

i have 3 primals grids all +99

[zenith tundra]

did u finish grind already @shy hazel

[vague token]

[shy hazel]

sad to say im 80%

watched cinema

aladdin

[finite valve]

going to have my final PR at tuesday

not fast but good enough

zzz

[vague token]

the live action one?

[zenith tundra]

going to have last pr in 11hrs

[finite valve]

not like you going to use them all anyway

so no point rushing

[shy hazel]

anyways im sure i can finish before timer ends

ill have all prs in 9 hours

fight me

[zenith tundra]

u do flex stuff so u can flex

[finite valve]

here a for you

[vague token]

big flex

[zenith tundra]

im behind because i overslept on bismark maint

[finite valve]

if only i have any fuck to give to those type of flex

which surprise i don't

lel

[shy hazel]

al isnt even hard grind but wtv

i just finish earlier to focus on beyyer things

[finite valve]

you want a grind game?

[shy hazel]

like playing amother game

[finite valve]

try black desert

[shy hazel]

[finite valve]

that is what you call a GRIND

[shy hazel]

im done with bd

what u smoking

[finite valve]

lvl 65 yet?

[shy hazel]

[finite valve]

if not go back to the grind

[vague token]

lol

[shy hazel]

i quit before 65 even came back

[finite valve]

[shy hazel]

not like its harder than reaching lvl 500

in tos

[vague token]

o.O

[ionic magnet]

tos has lv 500 now? 👀

[finite valve]

all i can say about tos is how much shit fest can it take before shut down

which is a fucking lot lel

[zenith tundra]

15 days old jp account

[shy hazel]

go grind more

[zenith tundra]

im at work

[shy hazel]

im grinding at,work rn

while chatting

[zenith tundra]

i cant when im morning shift

[shy hazel]

anyways al grind almost over

[zenith tundra]

and that at the same time i farmed pr ships on en btw

[shy hazel]

did u alrdy grind your w12 ships in en

lpl

u kno i lazy to thibk things

i copy your fleet

[zenith tundra]

i dont like wasting oil on ships drops

[shy hazel]

wow rude

what to do in al after prs

i hate grinding for levels more than ships

[finite valve]

just quit lel

[zenith tundra]

oath ur ships u need to level and grind oaths

[shy hazel]

al distracts me from quittinf my job

[vague token]

xD

[shy hazel]

translation work is boring

if u do it for a year

[finite valve]

i think you just making excuse to not quit your shitty job then lel

[shy hazel]

im allowed to play while i work

[vague token]

that feeling when AL is only thing keeping you at work

[shy hazel]

cos my boss has same feeling

[zenith tundra]

lol

[shy hazel]

im going back to japan this july

[vague token]

gotta farm the somehow

[zenith tundra]

it does help not focusing too much on work tho

[shy hazel]

got interview

if i go back to jpn i quit al

return to gbf

i hte playing gbf outside jpn

ping so bad

[vague token]

o.o

[shy hazel]

gbf needs 8ms ping to play

[vague token]

wow

[finite valve]

does it matter with gbf being turn base?

[shy hazel]

u dont kbow gbf guild war then lol

[finite valve]

asking a person who don't play gbf to know gw

[shy hazel]

maxed geared player with japn ping

[finite valve]

yeh nice try

[shy hazel]

can clear 50m boss

in 15seconds

being in eurpe pushes it to 25

cos of load times

[zenith tundra]

...

[finite valve]

so time rush battle then?

that explain why

[shy hazel]

then we have a quota of 1billion

per person

[zenith tundra]

sounds like a bad game

[shy hazel]

in 4th 5th day

its real e sports i told u

lol

[finite valve]

sound like a job if you ask me

[shy hazel]

people who dont reach quota

kicked out of guild

next war

[vague token]

oof

[finite valve]

sound like WoW all over again

if WoW was that toxic

lel

[shy hazel]

i quit gbf when i left japan

cant reach quota

[finite valve]

glad i never play gbf

phew

but yeh sound like a fucking job

not game

[shy hazel]

maybe

we even take leaves just to do quota

the sense of achievement is v diff tho

if u win that is

[finite valve]

got cash shop item or just more pull?

[shy hazel]

even with quotas opponents can still pound your whole guild

if 2~3 ppl is non performing

u get gold bar from winning gw

which u can use to unlock

[finite valve]

what does that do?

[shy hazel]

strongest characters

[finite valve]

oh

[shy hazel]

theyre not from pull

its pure blood and tears

[finite valve]

so basically a limit OP shit then

[vague token]

xD

[finite valve]

got it

[shy hazel]

ppl literally breakdown when we lose

lol

[finite valve]

yeh sound like the definition of a job to me

and here i thought WoW was bad

good lord

[shy hazel]

a guildmate almost died

[high flume]

Welp, trying to get back to PvP with Enty + WaSD... there was one point where I need to reset the match 22x times before I can win T.T (It was against Nagato-Amagi comp). Why Enty-focused comp is so bad rn sadpepega.jpg

[zenith tundra]

plenty of bad game designs out there

[shy hazel]

cos he was rushing back home

he jumped stairs

hit head and passed out

we all worried

cos he was in vc

LOL

[vague token]

o.O

[finite valve]

tfw you are more dedicated to a MOBLIE game than your own life

[vague token]

extreme concern

[finite valve]

that when you know how fucked up that game is

[zenith tundra]

@high flume welcome to cancer namagi meta

[shy hazel]

i wonder how al gw will be

👀

[zenith tundra]

hope it doesnt exist

[shy hazel]

well i think gw rewards will be shitcrap anyways

[high flume]

@balmy torrent ikr fck that champ (Hiryuu or whoever her name is)

Essex still in 2 months sadpepe

[vague token]

essex wont save you

lol

[high flume]

Really?

[zenith tundra]

essex is an akaga counter

[high flume]

I thought Essex+Enty is kinda T0/t1?

[vague token]

hiryuu is for cleaning up what namagi has already won

so you'll just get punched by guns

before doing anything

[coral wren]

WASDSD

[restive crow]

What's the comp for namagi

I been running amagi akaga

[shy hazel]

essex is basically ykkz backline

[finite valve]

rank 1 gives each person in the guild 5 rings + 10 dock expansion and 20 storage expansion
rank 2 gives each person in the guild 3 rings + 5 dock expansion and 10 storage expansion
rank 3 gives each person in the guild 1 ring + 3 dock expansion and 5 storage expansion

[shy hazel]

with x2 proc

[zenith tundra]

@high flume if u have amagi use wasd amagi people says it works fine

[finite valve]

sound like good reward for me

[shy hazel]

well see

[high flume]

@zenith tundra B-but muh queen Enty!!!!

[shy hazel]

or they just do crap like pvp

[coral wren]

I saw someone running AkagaE today.

[shy hazel]

and meit exchabgle crap ships

[zenith tundra]

time to reset 22 times again then

[shy hazel]

which will be good at first

[high flume]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[ionic magnet]

just stick with pve for enty

[shy hazel]

babboo 👀

[high flume]

Wait seriously though, even with Essex, Enty still got ROFL stomped by Hiryuu?

[vague token]

no one said that

you'll just get shot

[finite valve]

essex is meant for foxes

[vague token]

xD

[finite valve]

not hiryuu

[vague token]

triple medium is uh

dangerous

[high flume]

There goes my spirit and expectations

[buoyant parrot]

[vague token]

you eat 1 nagato barrage and you'll cry as mid medium armor gets rekt

(assuming like amagi/essex/owari da)

[high flume]

How bout Centaur-Essex-Enty? they were quite popular in JP/CN right?

[finite valve]

not to mention when WS kai come you wish you was not maining enty

[vague token]

cvs are squishy

[high flume]

@finite valve WS?

[finite valve]

war spite kai

[vague token]

i mean maybe you could get away with enty/essex/ws kai with some weird front

xD

[finite valve]

just use that comp for def

[vague token]

ws kai is so strong she frees up options

[finite valve]

i use waifu fleet for def

[vague token]

at least

[shy hazel]

even bunkerhill didnt save cvs

just dont hope until enty gets kai or a pr cv comes

[vague token]

i mean bunkerhill is a leader type anyways

[shy hazel]

cvs are dead in jp meta

[zenith tundra]

if u want u can try putting beaver and washing machine on enty and have her tank amagi while ur washington kills nagato

[finite valve]

not helping with all the OP shit are BB base

lel

[shy hazel]

golden age of cv ended

enty and foxes era

[buoyant parrot]

[lament lichen]

[zenith tundra]

now is hiryuu meta

[finite valve]

i mean foxes and bunnies can still work somewhat

[finite valve]

just not optimal

[lament lichen]

hiryuu meta and those who complain about her meta

[finite valve]

but enty 100% is dead

[shy hazel]

hiryu is fake cv

u dont want her bcos shes a cv

[vague token]

hiryuu is more like best tank in game but she has planes

[shy hazel]

u want her cos of dumb counter

[vague token]

but that's why fdg will replace her

xD

[lament lichen]

dumb counter

[vague token]

who needs 15 second invuln

when you got heavy armor and 10k base hp ;)

[lament lichen]

i see her as a 15 sec time to reset button

[trim horizon]

3rd with 2 losses

[shy hazel]

[finite valve]

dk how tanky fdg is with graf against WS hiryuu

[vague token]

no, with namagi

fdg + namagi

azuma is 4th ijn

[high flume]

Ah fck it, I'll try every combination possible and make Enty great again!!!

[finite valve]

could work

[zenith tundra]

stupid azuma forces nagato again in meta

[vague token]

xD

[buoyant parrot]

Gotta join this season

[finite valve]

well azuma is bae so i permit that

[shy hazel]

someone takr pic later

[finite valve]

same with fdg

[shy hazel]

of too 10

i is busy

[zenith tundra]

fdg ahould only work with kms

[shy hazel]

k i go away chattinv work coming

[finite valve]

who know really

since no 1 got her max

just guess work atm

and they did fix biscuit barrage

[vague token]

o/

[finite valve]

need testing

[zenith tundra]

dev 20 azuma already enough to push namaryuu in meta. who knows what fdg can do

[finite valve]

10k HP + heavy armor + a barrage that proc each time she takes / deal damage on a 15s cd that blanket the entire screen?

sound like a nuke waiting to go off

[lament lichen]

she also takes less damage as her hp goes down too

[finite valve]

forgot about that

[lament lichen]

her maingun depends on where in the rotation she is in

faster reload or something

crit is the other

[zenith tundra]

im wondering if 19 oil is even fair at this point. maybe 30 would be more apropriate

[finite valve]

don't give them idea for yamato now

[zenith tundra]

if powercreeps cost powercreep oil i dont mind

actually pvp should cost oil as well

[finite valve]

now you just being a cancer

[zenith tundra]

i know but it would give people some form of optimization not just run all powercreep ships for free

[coral wren]

70 oil for about 100 merit

[wet steeple]

Hi, was pointed here from #gameplay-help . I'm having trouble with the 3 PvP Wins daily: I keep getting opponents with 12k fleet vanguard power, while the best I can field is 7-8k. This is at rank 10k or so, Lieutenant rank, if it matters. I don't actually have much interest in PvP other than completing that daily (and maybe the 30 wins for the weekly), so what should I be doing that won't take up too much of my attention?

[finite valve]

optimization only exist if you have a large pool of "usable" unit to choose from

@wet steeple best is to ignore pvp tbh

[hot creek]

work on leveling up your girls and gear first.

[zenith tundra]

@wet steeple u need leveled ships 1st and then good equip

[finite valve]

also i am amaze that you still get 12k fleet at 10k

[wet steeple]

So I should give up on the 3 PvP Wins daily?

[hot creek]

but its fine to dip into pvp once in awhile if you don't mind losses or fishing for easy comps with the refresh button

[finite valve]

you can try and reset for easy fleet

but if not then it is best to ignore it tbh

[coral wren]

you still get merit even if you lose

[wet steeple]

I don't actually mind losses as such, but PvP matches take an unreasonably long time when one side has a single tanky/evasive unit.

[finite valve]

your best bet is to power lvl your ship so that you can beat those 12k comp

[zenith tundra]

imo u should lose to strong fleets for xp if u cannot beat anyone

[finite valve]

if you don't mind losing then the best bet for you is to use pvp as an exp source

just put ship you need to lvl in and fight the highest fleet power

[zenith tundra]

it will reset ur list and have chancessl for easy opponents

[finite valve]

since even if you lose you will still gain exp

[wet steeple]

Okay. Also, based on guides, I am assuming I am not doing anything wrong if I make my PvP defense fleet deliberately weak, to help others with their wins?

[lament lichen]

oh god novae's team didnt kill my junny

[finite valve]

yep

def fleet mean little in the grand scheme

[zenith tundra]

@lament lichen strip her naked

[finite valve]

so best advise for you is to use pvp as a exp source

[wet steeple]

Obvious question would then be why other people use these super-high-ranking ships for their own defense fleets.

[finite valve]

put ships you need to lvl in and fight the fleet with the highest fleet power

[ionic magnet]

last 10 mins

[finite valve]

@wet steeple https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/505/362/3f4.gif

[zenith tundra]

@wet steeplemost defense fleets are memes and the other are people flexing their maxed ships

[wet steeple]

Fair enough.

[finite valve]

my def is waifu fleet

i never use serious def fleet

[wet steeple]

I was wondering whether I should go full "weakest ships" defense and use Bulins and Repulse, or make a themed defense fleet like All Tsunderes.

[hot creek]

if you care about the spirit of pvp itself you appreciate facing tryhard comps.

[finite valve]

just use whatever you want on def tbh

if you want to be a nice guy use full max lvl fleet but strip their gear off

since you gain more exp base on lvl

or be that other guy who go full try hard

[hot creek]

other than that, there is no point in doing anything else with defense fleet.

[finite valve]

up to you

[odd schooner]

W12 on Thursday

[wet steeple]

All Tsunderes would be higher fleet power (marginally) than Bulin Fleet, though. So I was wondering if people would be annoyed by my fleet composition not being the weakest, but also not being weak enough to be full faceroll.

[odd schooner]

So itchy on using juny

[hot creek]

oh wait, you can always flex your PR ships and stuff i guess

[coral wren]

this week?

[zenith tundra]

@wet steeple fleet power memes require maxed gear

[odd schooner]

Should be this week

[finite valve]

@odd schooner if you want to be sure just strip their gear off since exp gain is base on lvl not fleet power

[wet steeple]

But if people don't actually care what they're facing, then I'll just go with themed fleets.

Thanks for the help.

[ionic magnet]

im more curious whether we'll get sirius l2d this week

[finite valve]

a naked fleet ain't going to win against fleet with clothed on

fact

[lament lichen]

6 matches 7 mints leggo

[zenith tundra]

people who play for points just attack leftmost opponent

[odd schooner]

Oh i should put naked fleet this season?

Maybe

Rip

Saw that

[shell heron]

3 minutes

[trim horizon]

pinkerton 1st on Sandy

[lament lichen]

man why is my last opp kiroshima