pvp

[coral wren]

I think he might actually draw nagato besides big7 us

[shy hazel]

that's nagato artist yeah

original one

[coral wren]

Saw some of his drawings for her, but ofc they never let him in

But that's shame, he is good when he is putting effort in his work and not doing it because it's his job

[sharp wing]

Also the hood/arizona/penny artist went... MIA lol. any1 know anything about that

[coral wren]

MIA like, he is serving now?

[sharp wing]

There was nothing from him for like 2 years

[coral wren]

Oh..

[sharp wing]

And before there was same 2 years period of inactivity

idk

[coral wren]

perhaps some personal circumstances, like, helping his parents or smth

[sharp wing]

Well, at least hood got her 2 costumes

[coral wren]

I just want to think he is allright

[sharp wing]

But arizona and penny probably not getting any love

I think they should make research project unique in pool...

getting 2 same projects could be lame, considering rest are shit too

[sour oasis]

So.. This is what 15m exp looks like.

[ionic magnet]

izumo before sanrui?

burn this heretic

[sharp wing]

Man of Culture

[hidden wyvern]

https://i.imgur.com/laPpeZm.jpg

[sharp wing]

Inb4 he actually has sanrui at 5 stars

[hot creek]

yeah i would imagine he has at least one PR at 5 star

like if you have the time to grind out that much how tf you not have a dev level 20 at least

[sharp wing]

I bet he has bps converted to sanrui or something and focus research on her

[trim horizon]

yikes, I just refreshed a +1

[modest elbow]

dunno if serious or troll fleet

[sharp wing]

Half serious/half waifu to me

[red nexus]

I mean it kinda works

But who would use sirius 🚮

[sharp wing]

Akaga users

[red nexus]

But the only carrier here is smol akagi

[sharp wing]

That's why i say half waifu

[red nexus]

Who would waifu sirius

[sharp wing]

who would waifu smol akagi

[hot creek]

sirius is wife

and bodyguard

[sharp wing]

Best Maido

Clumsy moe

And she provides night services

And she is probably only ship, that makes you glad, losing fight, cause...

[red nexus]

Yikes

[sharp wing]

[coral wren]

I wonder if those lines are the result of en tranyslations or not

[sharp wing]

You can check wiki for cn and jp translations

They are pretty close

[coral wren]

Ye, i'm actually checking every line of a ship i like now. But chinese runes are very complicated..

[sharp wing]

I mean, they are translated to EN on english wiki

But not same, as EN client lines

Actual translation by wiki team

[coral wren]

Oh, you mean this wiki. I'm checking it with /alg/ wiki + google translator to find if there is even a subtle similarity

[sharp wing]

CN and Jp lines also differ

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Azur_Lane_Wiki

I only check actual jp and cn wikies for stuff, like barrages etc

[shell heron]

[finite valve]

at last i can use my wife lusty

just going to sit out of pvp for a few season if we going to have try hard 120 day 1

zzz

[sharp wing]

I had no much problem w/ my lvl 100s when 110 hit

[shell heron]

we got plenty of time to store exp when 120 comes out

[finite valve]

no ETA tho

might get w12 right as event end

[sharp wing]

inb4 ch12 w/out 120 patch

[finite valve]

well ppl did clear w13 w/o 130

and mind you w13 is a hell hole

[sharp wing]

And?

[shell heron]

you should have a few ships at 3m exp by now with all the PR farming. Also ships like Amagi is an easy 3m exp stored

[elder crane]

ch12 at 110 is perfectly possible

yeah, BB/BCs are easy

[sharp wing]

actually i don't have any 110 w/ more than like 100k

[finite valve]

try and think for one would you

[elder crane]

I've 3 ready for 120, and like a dozen or so halfway there

[sharp wing]

metausers

[shell heron]

using hiryuu outside of pvp is kinda

but I may consider it after her retro

[sharp wing]

I pretty much dun sue maxed botes

[coral wren]

weird stuff

can't proc a shit

can't hitr a shit

[sharp wing]

My Amagi and Hood been acting up last 2 days. Won't proc for shit, lol. Even in pve

Like running some 30% Big7

[coral wren]

Hood is the worst hag

[sharp wing]

Well, not that i don't like her. but neither i do. In general i'm not on good terms w/ HMS BBs... QE... Can't stand Wales... Distasteful milf

Only KGV is bae

And Monarch (which i dun have yet)

Sandbag much

I'm watching

[shell heron]

12 minute warning

[sharp wing]

7/10 here

[hot creek]

im down four charges from oversleeping the other day lol

[sharp wing]

I lost 4 tix too, so we in same boat i guess

Not like i will tryhard after aotn anyway

[trim horizon]

[coral wren]

another +7 for the most left guy

[sharp wing]

[coral wren]

I mean, i even did a fucking relog

Unless during the match some jackass pushed all of a sudden..

[sharp wing]

[coral wren]

But that shouldn't be the case

[shell heron]

do you mean 7 points for the match or 17?

[coral wren]

7

[shell heron]

visual bug most likely. if you tap the screen when the number goes up, it may freeze at that point

[sharp wing]

That's UI bug

i just got +5

Don't mind it

[shell heron]

you still get your +10 minimum

[sharp wing]

yeah

When Release version more buggy, than OBT one

Such is life

[coral wren]

Ah, ok then, ty!

[modern tree]

I explained it in detail to you in the morning

[vague token]

so ch 12, great, im not farmed up for that on anyone x_x

[vague token]

11k xp on juneau ree

[sharp wing]

I also rarely use my maxed ships... So ye

My most used 110 ship is Mine at 300k

[vague token]

i swap ships a lot outside of pvp so oof

just gonna melt all my oil

xD

might as well farm columbia on 11-4

i just noticed something, the wiki doesnt have plane max evade

on the plane lists

[sharp wing]

It's a new stat

[vague token]

oh ok

[sharp wing]

So not added yet

[vague token]

cause i was looking at my bombers

[sharp wing]

It's only been shown after new UI

[vague token]

gotcha

[sharp wing]

jp wiki has the stat tho

if u interested

[vague token]

ah

i noticed that all of the dive bombers have 1-2 evade cap EXCEPT the fairey firefly

[sharp wing]

Tho CN wiki get better translation to read

[vague token]

xD

[sharp wing]

well, those 2 event bomber/diver are more of AA bias

maybe actually be usefull in w12

[vague token]

hmm where's the link to jp wiki i dont see it in help pin

[sharp wing]

use Cn better i think

i'll put both anyway

http://wiki.joyme.com/blhx/首页
https://azurlane.wikiru.jp/

[vague token]

ty

[sharp wing]

google translate makes me rofl anyway

[vague token]

i mean avoidance upper limit translates fine

xD

i wish i had 2 fireflies for sara

[sharp wing]

Well, they indeed only good for AA xD

But fulmars can do the trick too if u go full AA bias

So forfeiting all damage

[vague token]

well, i need them for gold plane aviation since sara needs more aviation

[sharp wing]

BTDs?

[vague token]

no, firefly dive bomber

[sharp wing]

and BTD too

but w/ 1600 bombs

[vague token]

oh jp wiki doesnt have suicide damage

=/

[sharp wing]

well, EN has Hp only too

Suicide damage base on % hp left tho...

[vague token]

i mean en is w/e xD

there should be a base damage value

that is then multiplied by % hp

[sharp wing]

Well, judge by Hp value

comparing Bara hp To ryuusei u can see difference pretty easily xD

[vague token]

hp doesnt determine the BASE damage

does it?

if i recall combat formula

xD

the hp remaining it just a % mod

[sharp wing]

more hp means it will have more hp left in the end of screen

[vague token]

yes, which tells me nothing as to the base damage

that just means you have more % to multiply at the end

actually cn wiki doesnt even show plane hp on their sortable table xD

[sharp wing]

yeah

[vague token]

reeeee

triggered

[vagrant veldt]

http://wiki.joyme.com/blhx/全武器对护甲补正一览#.E8.BD.B0.E7.82.B8.E6.9C.BA

look at the second cyan coloured column

[vague token]

oh the 2nd one is suicide base?

[sharp wing]

Is that scaled to lvl 120 CVs tho?

cause i seen 1 scaled to lvl 100 CVs

[vague token]

why would you scale them in the base equip chart xD

[sharp wing]

It has number 100 there in column name tho

I just guess it is scaled to 100

[vague token]

i love images for tables that cant be sorted or searched ;)

[sharp wing]

translated

i'll compare sec

yeah

[vague token]

never realized btd was so tanky lol

[vagrant veldt]

second cyan column is max plane hp

[sharp wing]

max hp at lvl 100 cv

[vague token]

oh so the brown one is touchdown then?

[sharp wing]

Brown ye

[vague token]

oh the fairey firefly has pretty high touchdown lol weird

I NEED TWO

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

it's faster than the other golds but isnt a comet

and i guess it has a higher chance of dodging aa

which means you preserve more suicide damage

xD

[sharp wing]

Well, about that dodge

[vague token]

do they have plane evade formula yet

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

yeah, that's only because ch13 is the only aa in pve

but in pvp

[sharp wing]

idk

[vague token]

we have lived with aa forever

[vagrant veldt]

the one used for Des Moines when checking if your plane gets eaten?

[vague token]

uh, no idea

[sharp wing]

AA already has fcking 50-100% multiplier in the end of formual, so its RNG

[silver root]

do u need that much AA for hiryuu?

[vagrant veldt]

its capped by the the plane it self. something like max 4% or 5%

[vague token]

yeah, the firefly caps at 7

which is waaaay better than all other dives

which are locked to 1 or 2

lol

stuka and heccdiver locked to 1 xD

for some reason comet is locked to 1

which makes 0 sense

but w/e

balance

[vagrant veldt]

really doesn't matter. even if you launch 100 planes, Des Moines will shoot down 99

[sharp wing]

Besides losing all damage for that evade

[vagrant veldt]

it's more like Des Moines with 2 Worcester and a Minotaur strapped to its sides

[vague token]

sara doesnt need dive bomb raw damage as much as she needs take off speed with aviation stat

for gunnery and dot damage

[vagrant veldt]

if it's alive, don't expect dive bombers to drop their bombs

[sharp wing]

wtf are u talking xD

[vagrant veldt]

the stupid broken AA ships in ch13 equipped with CIWS

[sharp wing]

eh

[vague token]

lol

[sharp wing]

Also, just built 1st Mle

[vagrant veldt]

our AA shoots planes with damage

they just check if you evaded it

[sharp wing]

lol

[vagrant veldt]

doesn't matter if you have 1 hp or 100000hp

[sharp wing]

got 1/25 now

[vague token]

still at 24/25

[sharp wing]

203 "AA"

have you seen designs names?

203 Mle and 152mm are named AA in PR

[vague token]

but yeah, basically i BELIEVE the fairey firefly is the best ratio of suicide to bomb to speed for a gold plane for sara

is my end take away here

btd is neat with double 1600 but it's a bit slower

[lament lichen]

Just rename all pr equips with AA

[vague token]

"sandy and seattle can now equip any gun with AA in the name"

hmm yes shoot down everything

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

and everyone

[sharp wing]

Sandy mounts 203 to aa and main mounts

damage takes AA into calculation instead of Fp

[vague token]

isnt that seattle's gimmick

[vagrant veldt]

Seattle is really strong

[vague token]

yeah xD

[sharp wing]

Double CL guns fml

Does secondary CL gain mg+1 effect?

Yat Sen on steroids

[vague token]

no

[sharp wing]

so 3 guns basically

[vague token]

it's still the secondary

i think

[vagrant veldt]

that's a AA gun slot which happens to be able to put CL guns

[sharp wing]

well ye

So basically it's Yat Sen, but instead of +1 aa she gets +1 CL gun

[vague token]

and has good stats

instead of bad stats

lol

[sharp wing]

Well, ofc

efficiency is still pretty low, wonder, if it will be better, than torp. But we don't have any double mg + torp CLs anyway?

only CAs

[vague token]

i mean, it matches other gun boat aux gun efficiencies

[sharp wing]

yeah

[vague token]

i think the highest aux gun is like minne with 70

which is always amusing to me

i think the only other strong aux skill is like terror field york retro

70% crit rate for her secondary and ignore armor xD

wait a second, armageddon cannon triggers on ANY of her attacks?

that's weiiird

70% is higher than every gunboat in the game lol

is good

yeah neeeeed that still

oh actually montpelier has 75%

maybe she's the highest

yeah but she does buff ALL cruisers xD

so just use them both and murder your oil

[sharp wing]

I'll stick to portkai for rare oil tag

mine only 300k

[vague token]

im at 580k =/

[sharp wing]

since i rarely use maxed ships

[vague token]

cause ive been training saint louis

107 saint louis atm X_x

[sharp wing]

my still in dorm

[vague token]

lol

[sharp wing]

Mogami is good girl

[vague token]

my oil is gonna die leveling all these pvp ships ree

[sharp wing]

ehh

I'll just dorm em and see how it goes

[vague token]

you cant dorm exp for 120 though =(

[odd schooner]

I'm going juneau sandy kai ykkz still

[sharp wing]

Not like i won't get aotn without 120, lol

[odd schooner]

[vague token]

xD

i dont X-x

[odd schooner]

Was actually waiting w12 to pump exp on juneau

[sharp wing]

Hey, She has AA

i bet she will

[odd schooner]

400 aa lol

[sharp wing]

she's like top 4 aa

with 160% eff

of CLs

[vague token]

i mean

top 4 is literally all 4 atlanta class

so

[ornate river]

yeh

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

atlanta retro when

she getting disrespected

anti air command cruiser lol

[sharp wing]

She already has 2 skills, give her rest

[vague token]

yeah but 1 is the stock cl anti air skill

and the other is super meh

she definitely needs something to make her worth taking

also note she has lower luck than juneau

xD

[sharp wing]

She's good for R ship tbh

[vague token]

id rather run leipzig and just lose the aa, at least leipzig buffs 3 useful stats

and is getting a retro

;)

[sharp wing]

Leipzig aa also good

leip is like top 6 AA

CL

[vague token]

yeah she's just a tad under sheffy

[sharp wing]

wonder if Kai make her

[ornate river]

those german cls are decent at aa

with leizpig standing out

[sharp wing]

but bad at damage

[ornate river]

hope she doesnt faint

[sharp wing]

and retroes focus on torps...

[ornate river]

ah well

[sharp wing]

aa+torps

[vague token]

i mean, if leipzig follows the other kms cl retros

she'll get like 50 more aa

xD

[sharp wing]

well...

[vague token]

oh wait it's like 15

xD

[sharp wing]

She is 1 rarity tier up

So might get bigger boost

Or more nodes

or whatever

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

Just pls, make her gr8 again

Cause she's kawaii af

lol

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

That's a lot of grinding

[vague token]

my only oathed 200 is minne

cause i swap too much

kinda hurts my pvp backlines

[elder crane]

idk how you don't have 200 BBs/BCs

those are super easy to 200

[sharp wing]

my highest oathes are at 130

[vague token]

because i swap them around a lot

[sharp wing]

Yeah, i dun use maxed ships so...

none over 130

[lament lichen]

Juneau 200 affinity yikes

[vague token]

all of my first oaths were from old meta like sodak and owari da anyways

[elder crane]

Dork Yuki Amagi Nagato Sheff Hiryuu Phoenix Jun Minnie Wash SoDak Enty Bel Hood Warspite Aya Jint Akagi Kaga Helena Aurora Sendai Ark, for my 200 affections

[sharp wing]

Oh wait, me enty 151

[vague token]

how many attacks you have again?

like 40k?

[sharp wing]

Well, w/ 40k attaccs maybe

[vague token]

no bluerendar

[elder crane]

38.8, so close

[vague token]

yeah

im at 22k

so

xD

[sharp wing]

i'm at 18

I never grinded aff

[elder crane]

Most of it is just from 7-2 grind

from when I was getting all my coin for every retrofit

[sharp wing]

My coins die just to mlb event

[vague token]

does coin cost double each time for 115 and 120

[elder crane]

I'm sub 100 cubes now cause 556 is trolling me
I entered event with 400....

[vague token]

xD

oooof

[elder crane]

9 u73s have trolled me
6 z36
and even 2 KGV to rub it in

[vague token]

that's... unfortunate =(

[sharp wing]

i spent ~180 for Bisquirt

[elder crane]

just 3 Bismarcks though
Also 3 Hoods, make of that what you will

[vague token]

perfectly balanced

[sharp wing]

That's probably highest i ever spent for event, since September

[elder crane]

yeah, it took almost 200 for my first Bis too

[sharp wing]

Also, i never rush event, but this border makes me

[odd schooner]

My longest affection grind is probably hiryuu

More than a month already cause no motivation to play

[sharp wing]

Well, ye

[elder crane]

yeah, the border and the secretary mission

[sharp wing]

lately i only do dailies, some SOS, few event clears and that's it

[vague token]

i mean we still have another whole week

[elder crane]

556 and KGV are my last two secretary missions

[vague token]

it's pretty generous at least

[sharp wing]

Well, ye

[odd schooner]

Lmao

Wrong one

[sharp wing]

But i mean, usually i do just daily 3x till alst 2-3 days and get all ships

[odd schooner]

188 1 month 1 week already

[elder crane]

I did her back before 110
Nothing better to do then except farm 7-2, for a while, for me

[sharp wing]

Well, My Enty is 151 after like... half year

[elder crane]

7-2 is nice cause solo CV main still works

[odd schooner]

You could actually abuse hiryuu skill on 8-4

Till boss

[elder crane]

1:1 is ez, and some CVs can do it with 2 0LB mahans

[odd schooner]

But with 3 front with pr exp farming

[elder crane]

yeah, I abused Hiryuu vs Bismarck too cause I'm lazy and wasn't sure how much flag targeting she did

[sharp wing]

[elder crane]

turns out it's just most CVs that can't tank Bis for 1:50 without any main fleet protection skills

this is for the event map

[vague token]

lol

[elder crane]

so running Hiryuu was somewhat unnecessary

[sharp wing]

What about heavy armor CVs

[vague token]

yeah all 2 of them

xD

[elder crane]

Well, BBAP still does more vs med than heavy, soooo

[sharp wing]

xD

[elder crane]

oh nvm misread the context

[vague token]

victorious kai when

[sharp wing]

WHoLE 2

Hey, Vic does bonus to Bb and takes less from shelling

[elder crane]

bis fires BBAP I'm pretty sure so not sure if Lusty can tank it
Vic might do fine with her skill

[sharp wing]

Profit

[elder crane]

Enty is still probably a better option than Vic there

[vague token]

vic is a low bar to be fair

[sharp wing]

Since Enty won't burn maybe

[odd schooner]

Vic has stat issues iirc

[sharp wing]

Otherwise, no

[elder crane]

100% evasion chance 1/3 of the time and 70% for 2X
vs Vic's piffy little skills

[sharp wing]

Well, if Enty get's fires, that 100% eva is useless

[elder crane]

Vic's skills are pretty trash too, even when she can fully use her specialization

no fires from event boss

[sharp wing]

That's why she might work

[elder crane]

but Vic needs at least 30% dred and 50% damage buff on her specialization skill, I'd say, to be even good in that niche

[sharp wing]

Well, she has heavy armor and high luck

But average hp

If fires not involved, she will be less useful anyway

[elder crane]

I mean, the IJN pairing skills of +35% AP is basically a 1/3 additional damage vs everything
enty is averaged 70% more dmg vs everything
how does a, what, 20%? more dmg vs a super specific target even begin to match up to that

[sharp wing]

Well, she also has double damage skill, but heavy rng

20% w/ double damage can actually hurt

[elder crane]

if that skill had at least coinflip proc chance, maybe

[sharp wing]

well, ye

But hey, i still enjoy my RNGer and her 400k damage

[elder crane]

as it is, it doesn't even reliably activate once in a long boss battle

Does Vic's skill even affect fires? pretty sure she's still vulnerable to them in full

[sharp wing]

well, fires are based on initial shell damage

She takes less shelling damage

[vague token]

uh, fires are based on the gear base damage

not the damage you take

[sharp wing]

So less fie damage as result

[vagrant veldt]

fires ignore most buffs

[vague token]

which means no

if shell damage determined fire damage

[vagrant veldt]

fires are based on the weapon & FP

[vague token]

sodak would have the strongest fires in the game

[vagrant veldt]

and eff %

[sharp wing]

Well, for PVE enemies?

[elder crane]

no difference

[sharp wing]

[elder crane]

fire formula is same PvE/PvP

which means it also ignores the PvP special damage reductions

[sharp wing]

I seen yukie take 0 fire ticks after getting 1 damage from shelling tho

So some skills might affect it

[elder crane]

oh, fires in PvP can't kill ships

[sharp wing]

No

She wasn't at deadline

Also sometimes they do

[vagrant veldt]

yukikaze's skill should apply to all known damage types

[elder crane]

so, if the fire damage>remaining HP, it's set to remaining HP-1, which can be 0
not sure then if it's not that

[vagrant veldt]

fire is wierd. I only observed that it gets reduced

[sharp wing]

Yukie had 0 ticks w/ over 2/3 hp

[vagrant veldt]

some people say it will reduce the entire damage

[elder crane]

0 damage from fires though, seems kinda weird
maybe some weird rounding issue?

[vagrant veldt]

only explanation is her duration got extended

[elder crane]

cause this game and it's spaghetti code

[sharp wing]

[vagrant veldt]

and fires don't refresh twice

[sharp wing]

I just saw she had 1 damage shell then 0 ticks at very high hp

[elder crane]

yeah, fire damage is only set once on when it's set
can't same-calibre refresh indef, isn't it only smaller calibre HE that can refresh only once?

[sharp wing]

maybe if was re-ignited by vg weapons

But again

Damage won't be affected

[elder crane]

also that first case, means a weak BB shot fire refreshed by a strong BB shot, will have the weaker fire damage still

which means if you have a firestarter ship, you want them to fire first

[vagrant veldt]

if fires get refreshed once, it wont be refreshed again

might be the last tick of damage being reduced

[sharp wing]

It would be logical to make higher fire damage to take effect, when hitting enemy, being ignited by lower fire damage, but...

[elder crane]

"The duration can be refreshed by another ignition caused by an equal or lower level gun, but lower level guns can only refresh the duration once."
wiki, ofc that's often wrong
but, ofc it's kinda hard to test for obvious reasons

[sharp wing]

So from that, Higher caliber gun with higher burn damage will just make new burn?

and old canceled

[elder crane]

nope, it keeps old damage edit: misread

[vague token]

where's our data miners

we need answers

xD

[sharp wing]

So in reality higher burn damage just goes nowehre

[vague token]

fire code stat 🍝

[elder crane]

I did the testing for PvP a while back

counted every tick of fire damage across something like 30 matches on one main fleet

which is also how I found out our current fires are 4 ticks base, not 5

at some point that changed

[vague token]

[elder crane]

the 5th tick doesn't happen anymore, though the animation still extends out to when it should

[sharp wing]

So, if ship is burned by lower caliber gun, higher caliber burn just won't apply at all. And same caliber guns can refresh burn endlessly

[elder crane]

oh fml I misread

afaik higher calibre will overwrite damage

[sharp wing]

Oh, so as i thought

[vague token]

it would make 0 sense if like

a dd gun burn

didnt get overriden

by a big boi bb gun burn

[sharp wing]

Well, yeah

[vague token]

like otherwise he dd guns are actually negatives

in total damage

because burns are big

if you magically proc one

[sharp wing]

lol

[vague token]

same with belfast burn rate

cl burns are tiny

[elder crane]

I've seen no evidence of the contrary at least, which given sample size means it's likely that way

[sharp wing]

Hmm

[elder crane]

also iirc something was funny about Nagato barrage fires too

I never saw one of those being overwritten

[vague token]

the main wedge or lasers

[elder crane]

which suggests it counts as a BB fire, which is kinda shitty cause it's low damage

[sharp wing]

Nagato barrage can ignite?

[vague token]

yes

nagato barrage is he

[elder crane]

idk, both are same base damage so same fire damage

[sharp wing]

Well, i never noticed

[vague token]

oh i meant like maybe one counts as cl gun and one counts as bb gun

[elder crane]

spread and chevrons have same base dmg for Nagato, but different armor mods

I never saw any overwrites of Nagato barrage fire across the sample, all burned for full (or til <1 HP)

[vague token]

[elder crane]

and since her barrage is a lot of shots with very high %, it would always ignite anything not yet ignited pretty much

some refreshes of it happened (for same base damage), but I can't rule out those being from stray VG shots

since none were long refreshes, that I noticed

[vague token]

so then what do sara fires count as

bb fire?

cl fire?

it doesnt have a gun caliber

it's literally magic

[sharp wing]

"Magic"

[vague token]

[vagrant veldt]

it gets replaced by BB

[vague token]

does it get overriden by CA/CL guns? xD

[sharp wing]

Compare damage?

[vagrant veldt]

the datamine puts it at the same priority as CAs

[elder crane]

Historically the secondaries it references were 8" (CA), so makes sense

[sharp wing]

Are we talking about planes skill fire or her gun skill

[vagrant veldt]

I'm talking about her planes

her artillery gets replaced by her plane fires as well

[sharp wing]

cause referencing planes w/ CA

so planes inbetween ca and bb

[vague token]

magic xD

[sharp wing]

[elder crane]

oh lol right her plane skill also sets fires

[sharp wing]

Yeah

[elder crane]

tbh those imo should count as BB ones given the size of those bombs, I think
(even though they don't)

[sharp wing]

That's why the question

Logically yes

[vague token]

i hope they dont they're still weaker than bb fires

but that also assumes bigger fires

override

if not then well

rip

also the fires are from the torpedos

[sharp wing]

Just run 3cv comp, EZ

[vague token]

not the dive bombs

lol

xD

[elder crane]

fires
torpedos
lolwut

[vague token]

prankster

[elder crane]

[vague token]

is sakura torp

[sharp wing]

IGNITING TORPEDOES

[vague token]

you know

they're AIM TORPS

it triggers me

beyond all belief

[sharp wing]

MAGIC

[vague token]

that a DEBUFF attack

is on a FOCUSED aiming pattern

instead of splashing it around

[sharp wing]

lol

[vague token]

the torpedos themselves dont even hit hard

i think ive seen them crit for 200 tops

[elder crane]

is the chance 100% on them?

[vague token]

yes

100% flood and fire chance

[sharp wing]

burn and flood 100%

[vague token]

70% rate for the skill

my fires tick about 380-400 i think

and the flood for about 120

but im running RWG/tank

and 3 gold planes

[sharp wing]

Flood lasts longer tho?

[elder crane]

what a waste then
since the dots together do a pretty huge chunk, but unstackable

yeah, flood lasts a good amount

[vague token]

flood lasts 24 yeah

[sharp wing]

Flood lasts for 24 seconds, doing 8 ticks in total.

[vague token]

same damage tick rate as fire (every 3)

[elder crane]

"24 s for 8 ticks" from wiki
might be 7 ticks if the same bug/feature now applies

[vague token]

yeah

but yeah, if sara had cuda torps

for prankster

oh god

[sharp wing]

yeha

[vague token]

it would be beautiful

[sharp wing]

It would be MAGIC

[vague token]

also if she could aim her god damn ca guns

instead of shooting them with like

[sharp wing]

Oh, her guns

[vague token]

worse spread than the russian cl gun

i think they have 90 degree spread

[elder crane]

I've been on a lookout for more areas where that bug affects things
as far as I can tell Monarch/Minnie heals aren't affected

[vague token]

well, fire can last a variable time though

[sharp wing]

So only applies to gun based?

[vague token]

because of refresh mechanic

so it's weiiiird

so there's probably something going on because of that

xD

[sharp wing]

[elder crane]

what other stuff, would such a bug be obvious on?
where there's some tick that's supposed to happen at the end of a timer, but doesn't?

[vague token]

oh and extinguisher

and amagi

[elder crane]

yep, all -% fire damage skills are additive

ext reduces to 2 ticks, yep

[vague token]

is it 2 ticks or 1.99999 ticks

so it doesnt count the last one

xD

[elder crane]

which is super obvious if you pay attention to PvE
it's supposed to be 3

[vague token]

oh ok you accounted already

[elder crane]

same thing as base though, full 9 s animation but only 2 ticks, last tick doesn't happen

[sharp wing]

Oh well

[vague token]

rip

well ill swap to essex when she comes out

since you cant reduce flood

no extinguisher ;)

[sharp wing]

Well

[vague token]

and essex does cuda torps

for application i think

[sharp wing]

inb4 waterpump

[vague token]

na, it'd be like

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

Super Bucket

;)

[sharp wing]

KC reference xD

[vague token]

oh xD

[sharp wing]

LMAO

[vague token]

i know nothing about that game

i started here

[sharp wing]

nvm

I haven't actually played it too

But i seen stuff...

Also, imagine losing yr ship, if it sinks

[vague token]

i heard about that

[sharp wing]

instant screen smash

[vague token]

7.8k gold left

still 24/25 mle

[sharp wing]

kek

[vague token]

help rng why

all dailies done

reeee

[sharp wing]

I got Mle, but no plates tho

[vague token]

im at like 400 gun plates waiting

oh it's 507 actually

xD

wish we could convert t3 boxes to t2 plates

like 10 to 1

(of our choosing)

[merry edge]

Ik neither are meta but in theory, would hood or monarch be better for pvp?
I'd imagine hood has significantly higher damage vs frontline whereas monarch has better damage va backline

[sharp wing]

Hood actually targets backline too

[merry edge]

Oh so just monarch all the way for AP?

[vague token]

need daxam

im not versed in hms

my personal choice would be to use both

[sharp wing]

Monarch just hits hard and has actual gun damage and tankiness, hood is valued for Reload buff tho

[merry edge]

Monarch flagship, hood side?

[ionic magnet]

monarch is basically an improved hood in all categories

[sharp wing]

QE flag, barrageboats sides?

[ionic magnet]

that reload buff from hood is not worth mentioning tbh

it reduces like half a second cd

[merry edge]

Why QE flag? She doesnt need flag for buff

[sharp wing]

It is actually

[merry edge]

Its quite noticeble from my experience in pve at least

[sharp wing]

QE flag, cause her buff works, even when dead, and you usually snipe sides

[vague token]

well... in pve fights go long

hood buff may or may not get you a kill

it hurts still though

also ijn sides are medium

[merry edge]

Oh so QE flag to be a sacrificial lamb?

[vague token]

so hood can blow up hiryuu for early final counter

and monarch should 1v1 amagi easy

i think is how it works

(dev 30)

[sharp wing]

any barrage bb should 1:1 amagi tbh

cause heavy armor

Just don't stake Hood VS Amagi

[coral wren]

What if hydro procs tho on amagi

[vague token]

depends on how hard you get memed on by amagi evade

[merry edge]

Part of what makes hiryuu so strong is that her 15 second stall gets you burn ticks off right?

[vague token]

hiryuu is true invuln

[sharp wing]

She launches 2 strikes during that

[vague token]

nothing works

[sharp wing]

as well

[vague token]

she doesnt evade like owari da

[sharp wing]

Hiyuu not 100% evade, she is invulnerability

[vague token]

no collision damage too

ykk cant ram her to death =/

[sharp wing]

Like Enty

[merry edge]

I see I see

[vague token]

honestly if SOMETHING had to change it would be that

wont happen

make it trigger at 25%, 15 second evade

she'll still take burns/ramming

and since it pops earlier you dont stress out about it as much

wont happen though

keeping it as a full air strike i think is fine though

[finite valve]

just wait till we get either cranes or foxes kai and watch as bunnies fade into obscurity

dk how to deal with WS tho

[sharp wing]

I hope we won't...

[vague token]

ws kai + bunnies is a thing

ill point out

[sharp wing]

You mean 2 bunnies?

[vague token]

yes

[sharp wing]

why not bunny + amagi tho

• wkai

[vague token]

ws kai/amagi/hiryuu is also a thing

ws kai is the great liberator

where we are free to choose

many combinations

[sharp wing]

cause soryuu...

[vague token]

ws kai foxes? big rush down

ws kai bunnies? slow but steady

ws kai namagi? classic ijn with a twist

[sharp wing]

anything works on offense anyway

[vague token]

i mean, not atm lol

most casual w/e offenses will hard wall

against namagi hiryuu

[sharp wing]

like what?

[vague token]

wasd/e, big nope, wasd/a, also no

[sharp wing]

I mean, bot total random comps

i sue WasdA

there 0 wall

You can beat anything

[vague token]

is it like 6:4?

7:3?

i guess even 5:5 isnt a wall technically

[sharp wing]

runnign that rng nagato feels worse

[vague token]

i love it when enemy nagato big sevens when my vanguard is in the middle of the screen

xD

[sharp wing]

Or when enemy nagato 3 yr nagato 0

[vague token]

oof

[sharp wing]

to hell with that

i rather run more stable

They should make exercises accumulate exp tho

[vague token]

they should a lot of things

[sharp wing]

True dat

i mean, my attaccs : exercise ratio 4:1

almost

Imagine all the exp

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

Also i often lvl ships there

[vague token]

id actually prefer to see

purchaseable xp

from merit store

[sharp wing]

gawd no

eh merit

[vague token]

so you can use it on your choice

[sharp wing]

Well, merit fine

[vague token]

that way you could a) stock up for 120

b) you dont have to use trash tier in pvp and lose to get xp

c) merit store buffs

solves all the problems

[sharp wing]

Does losing in pvp actually affects exp

[vague token]

yeah you get xp still

[sharp wing]

I mean +/-

[vague token]

oh i think it's like 1/10

lol

like pve xp is still granted on loss

[sharp wing]

same like low tier pve win

[vague token]

but heavily reduced

[sharp wing]

I think C pve victory about 1/10

[vague token]

well you get a d for losing

so that sounds about right

or was it c for defeat

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

i dont remember

[sharp wing]

probably D

But meh

We go too DEEP

[vague token]

oh pvp is just half for defeat

[sharp wing]

oh

[vague token]

mvp and flag still get their same multiplier

[sharp wing]

multipliers yeah, but exp still halved

Well

Tho for 1st, like, month, i didn't know you could restart pvp match not losing ticket, cause it was plain dumb to me, lol

[vague token]

full 110 is uh 580 for everyone on defeat

[sharp wing]

sounds bout right

cause my ships get over 1k

[vague token]

so you could just say like, i dunno 500 merits for 500 xp

im not econ guy so

xD

[sharp wing]

I mean, you can easily win w/ 2 100+ ships

and rest 110

Hell, after 110 patch i didn't have 110 ships for a while and did fine vs them

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

lvled most pvp ships from exercises

and drom

[vague token]

impressive though xD

[sharp wing]

Well, i dun play much

Get Distracted all the time xD

Mostly by other games

[vague token]

same

[sharp wing]

Tho i'm on vacation till July

Might get more time around

[vague token]

that works too

and blueprints instead of t1-t3 boxes

[ionic magnet]

or just put oils

[vague token]

oil doesnt solve the xp wasted problem from pvp though

[sharp wing]

I'd be happy w/ coins and oil in merit anyway

[vague token]

xD

[sharp wing]

I dun want to buy any more purins

And hundreads thousands merits wasted

[zenith tundra]

i would be happy with anything else useful outside of bullins/purins

[sharp wing]

Well, i got Whole Cube today

[vague token]

ONE WHOLE CUBE

woo

[sharp wing]

inb4 cube fragments

[zenith tundra]

i'm not even playing this season tbh. the rewards are just not worth the hussle to sandbag

[sharp wing]

Just don't sandbag

But, ye. Since merits are pointless

No motivation

[zenith tundra]

u still don't get anything out of merits

[sharp wing]

aside of random t3 boxes and some cube here and there

[modern tree]

playing pvp for rewards, lool

[zenith tundra]

im collecting t4 boxes for the low tiers shells

[sharp wing]

Well, i initially play pvp for purins

[vague token]

oh wait which box

i should do that

[sharp wing]

But since i'm stocked up on them for a while..

[zenith tundra]

i got 1 in jp a purple white

idk which box from

[vague token]

oh

i mean i guess saving all boxes is w/e

i never get quad mags anyways

[sharp wing]

Sakura boxes for purp shell

gold shell is universal, no nation

same as black

[vague token]

ah

[zenith tundra]

they could've made a purple black too for uss boxes

[sharp wing]

could...

[zenith tundra]

so 120 will be after the event most likely?

[sharp wing]

looks like it

[vague token]

assuming we get 120 with ch 12

it'd be weird not to

also pain

[sharp wing]

Well, it's EN

[vague token]

lots of damage

gonna need flextape for all that damage

xD

[sharp wing]

bubblegum

[zenith tundra]

not really looking forward to grind more for new ships

[sharp wing]

Maybe we will get like a week before 120 after event

But probably not

Since they pushed Hawk already

[zenith tundra]

the only good thing is that in 5 days i'll be done with pr grind

[sharp wing]

I'm on my 2nd

[vague token]

i wont be getting monarch anytime soon since i gotta get 120 xp xD

although i guess hood and dork contribute

[sharp wing]

they do

[vague token]

(on boss lol)

[sharp wing]

Why not run hood mob?

[zenith tundra]

not really worth the hussle to grind them out tbh. i just wanted to not care about farming them

i leveled up kgv for monarch grind. she is 109 now

and it matters 0 once 120 is here lol

[sharp wing]

I'm lvling hood and Spite during mona grind

[vague token]

because pvp is running mob

my only ship with 1m xp

is sara

[sharp wing]

lol

[vague token]

no one is even close to 2 mil

[sharp wing]

my max is 300k

and not pvp

[vague token]

which means pvp fleet gets mobbing duty

[sharp wing]

Which means i just run 110 pvp

[vague token]

thankfully 11-4 on safe is actually fine

[zenith tundra]

i have 3m amagi and cant replace her somehow...

[vague token]

xD

[zenith tundra]

still using her in d3 boss

[sharp wing]

eh

[vague token]

unfortunately, my oil will be dead for the next week probably

[sharp wing]

That's not much anyway

inb4 130

[zenith tundra]

u cannot store more then 3m

[sharp wing]

oh well

isn't 110-120 like 2.2

[shell heron]

around there

[sharp wing]

why they make 3 mill...

either leave it uncapped or do till 120

Some things make 0 sense

[modern tree]

I wanted to complain about my Juneau having only 1mil exp stocked but then I remembered its w12

[sharp wing]

Juneau will wreck some planes

[modern tree]

non ironically efficent choice for mob fleet

[sharp wing]

yeap

[modern tree]

what is this universe we live in

[sharp wing]

lmao

[vague token]

the one where atlanta is still bad

T_T

[sharp wing]

Atalanta is good onee-san

[shell heron]

Juneau being at 1m exp is already more than I have. Getting her to 120 is going to be fun

[modern tree]

I am more or less done with HMS, sans Monarch for obvious reasons, but shes gonna be just fine for mobbing w12

the worst part is that 120 will make it so you are moderately commited to whatever comp you are playing for quite a time

[vague token]

moderate? xD

[sharp wing]

For many ppl it will be like eternity xD

[modern tree]

yeah, but I expect better out of this chat myself

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

not all of us are 45k attacks ok

please have mercy

[modern tree]

PLAY THE GAMEEEE

[sharp wing]

Not even 20k

xD

Have a lyfe

[vague token]

play the game? i thought this was auto lane

[sharp wing]

[modern tree]

it's fine, I will test all the comps and then lie to you about HMS being the best

[sharp wing]

Gotcha

[vague token]

ok

[zenith tundra]

playing on 2 servers at once makes even auto lane an actual game

[modern tree]

Hiryuu to 120 might actyually be the most painful before her retrofit

[shy hazel]

zack is betraying us for jp

[sharp wing]

Playing 3 gachas and 2 pc mmos at sae time makes things complicated xD

[shy hazel]

theres no good pvp sandbagging there hey

👀

[zenith tundra]

u want to compare scores?

[shy hazel]

👀

nop

[vague token]

[shy hazel]

i din sandbag this season

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

[ionic magnet]

yes thats 1 free slot then

[shy hazel]

i think i missed 3 rounds

[ionic magnet]

whats your scores now anyway

[shy hazel]

cos grinding pr

forgot tis reset heh

[ionic magnet]

1834 9/10

[shy hazel]

izumo last then w12 begins

thats why i finished prs fast