pvp

[finite valve]

[modern tree]

time to be number 1, woop

[finite valve]

well at least next event should be french so more chance to get her

should

unless we getting chess board rerun

chess board pool is special right?

[modern tree]

banners are exactly as shit as wishing well

just so you dont accidentally get ahead in collection while rolling for event ships

[finite valve]

not like i care about any of the ranking

[hot creek]

french event hype?

[finite valve]

[hot creek]

is it finally time i can use all these mail resources ive saved for ages

[finite valve]

same lel

going to run d1 dry

[vague token]

o.o

[wicked rivet]

Abercrombie isnt even in heavy

What

Wait no

Nvm

She was with sussex

Wrong bote

Im missing her too

[finite valve]

found a person that don't read #game-news

lel

[wicked rivet]

You?

[finite valve]

you since you dk that she was in heavy

i even link the boat in question lel

how you confuse her for someone else is beyond me

[vague token]

oops just lost, was distracted xD

trying to carry saint louis for xp lol

[wicked rivet]

I didnt remember she waa a monitor

[finite valve]

and that my fault?

whatever zzz

[vague token]

lol

[wicked rivet]

No?

Why would it be your fault

[sharp wing]

It's strange tho, you can get other monitors in light

Why they put her heavy only

I actually thought she was both as well, but i didn't try to build for her anyway

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

And not like i will touch heavy/special out side events after Bisquirt ate all cubes

I asked JP ppl, and they said, that subs made their way into event pools w/ special build (carriers), but it happened only after few events with those kind of builds. Also ex-event perma ships, like atago/PoW still never made it to event pools

Since this build have sussex, guess abercrombie is in event pool too?

EN PVP in nutshell

[vague token]

eh, she wouldnt be too bad if nagato wasnt here

cause she'd go back to fox counter instead of universal

[sharp wing]

[modern tree]

my QE just got MVP against namagi hiryuu, when backing up Monarch and Hood

[sharp wing]

[modern tree]

I like never getting barrages, its the best

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

Pat her

[modern tree]

no bamboozle

[vague token]

total damage is weird, i always break 20k on at least 2

maybe you're getting em before juneau so no hp xD

[sharp wing]

My Yukie often mvp w/ ridiculous numbers

Cause when she gets to main w/ those rainbow torps

[vague token]

although i guess it's probably just cause someone is slacking

xD

28k sara, 27k amagi, 16k nagato lol

no barrages today

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

honestly i like it when neither nagato barrages

dont have to worry about main vs main too early

[sharp wing]

CV battles most exciting

[vague token]

yeesh 21 bps to dev 25

is it 300 points for 26-29?

i should check the table

xD

[sharp wing]

300 bps?

[vague token]

bps give 10 points each

so it's 30

[sharp wing]

ah

Inb4 Decisive

[vague token]

xD

lets see what is at dev 25 anyways

690 hp? wow

34 aa and 10 evade

and special touch unlocked

[sharp wing]

touching intensifies

[coral wren]

Hm, daxxam, do you think jeane bart might kinda replace qe after release?

for a while

[modern tree]

lolno

nothing is replacing QE ever

[coral wren]

Damn, i can't remember that one guy who was pushing that idea

Might be harkurt

[vague token]

i cant imagine why she would

[coral wren]

Eeh, the whole point was in her preload barrage i think

alltogether with crit

But that is super fucking random

I dunno

[vague token]

i mean

[modern tree]

Look, there are 2 really good PR ships under HMS banner. They are grossly overstated. You have fucking Warspite retrofit in the future that is ways beyond grossly overstated. QE just fits in there. You'd be hard pressed to find a replacement for QE unless you don't want to run Monarch

[vague token]

why would you replace QE for that

qe is a supporter/vanilla gunner and cant really be compared to a frontloaded damage boat

[modern tree]

as long as you want to run Nep Monarch, QE is not going anywhere

[coral wren]

Who knows, but that discussion was in early december i think

[vague token]

xD

[coral wren]

It was something about getting lucky crit and removing vanguard in one go

[vague token]

id rather use kgv for that

at least she has follow up if you dont meme enemies under 10

xD

[coral wren]

Do you have her maxed?

[vague token]

na, im maxing biscuit

for fun

[coral wren]

[sharp wing]

for fap

[modern tree]

my kgv is 97 but I am not actively rising her because I do not believe she will make HMS any better or worse

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

Her chibi stare is a turn off for me xD

[vague token]

almost like pow proved solo stat buffs are only ok

and giving you a gun skill with bad ratios is just meh

but hey she's still better than pow

xD

[modern tree]

I'd be more exited if we got shells

[sharp wing]

Hey, being better than PoW is.. WAIT

[modern tree]

but for now I am just gonna keep feeding her cola

[coral wren]

Eh, i maxed her yellow skill, but ran out of red books...

[vague token]

MORE COLA

honestly id like to see them try putting the gun skill on pow

and see if that makes a decent ship

4 eagles is the same ratio for buffs as 3 + self hms

[sharp wing]

and rewrite her skill for HMS

[vague token]

it'd be a neat experiment

[wicked rivet]

Put a barrage skill on her and make her skill synergise with IJN

[coral wren]

I'm curious what her barrage will be like, with qe and shells

[wicked rivet]

EZ pvp spot

[vague token]

xD

[sharp wing]

just make PoW USS bufffer

[modern tree]

just delete pow

[coral wren]

^

[sharp wing]

Valid option

[vague token]

[coral wren]

why even make her synergize with a different nation

[vague token]

because teamwork is cool?

[sharp wing]

Distasteful milf

[modern tree]

you could run 3 uss ships or you could just run her with QE

[vague token]

they need more cross faction buffs

or generalist ones like hood

the game's core theme is about bringing the factions together to beat sirens

xD

[modern tree]

cross faction buffs dont work if they are worse than just running with your factions flagship

[coral wren]

[vague token]

i mean, they dont have cross faction buffs

there's solo buff on pow

but no team buffs

[coral wren]

Just make them buff the whole fleet like amagi and not a particular nation

[vague token]

otherwise they're Orders/Commands

and we know how 25% activation skills are

trash

maybe leipzig might be good enough to actually warrant cruiser command

with retro

xD

[coral wren]

Is she popular on jp/cn or smth? I was kinda surprised she got retro

[sharp wing]

Well, leipzig at least got AA on top of command

[vague token]

all of the kms CLs have workable aa, their retros add like 40 though

[modern tree]

Liepzig is good enough right now and her retro will make her silly because retro stats and efficencies will be just good enough to make her really damn good, and shes probably getting a decent skill on top

thats together with getting 2 of the better faction buffs

[coral wren]

tfw kms will become valid not because of bismarck but a freaking leipzig

[vague token]

ooh or skills like sheffield

which have build requirements

instead of faction requirements

that's another fun one

[sharp wing]

It would be fun, if KMS had 1 more good CL

[coral wren]

jesus roon and leipzig?

[vague token]

like there are creative ways to get buffs to work on multiple factions

and make them interesting

without making them lol nagato buffs

alternatively im ok with strong buffs if the ship herself is weaker

cause that's how balance works

xD

but of course this is yostar

so

[sharp wing]

I just hope really make Leipzig good at least, cause she's been really neglected, due to her C-B tier stats

At least they cannot make her bad waifu

[vague token]

i mean, depends on what they want her to be

offensive buffer or minor attacker with defense as her retro skill

[coral wren]

What would suit pvp best?

[vague token]

dunno xD

[sharp wing]

Not like she will make into pvp

[coral wren]

Who knows

[sharp wing]

nah

[coral wren]

for kms enthusiasts she might be an option

[sharp wing]

Well, those actually exist

[ionic magnet]

2 resets with +0 really

[sharp wing]

Welcome to the club

[vague token]

i mean all the casual rushers have already fallen behind so

[sharp wing]

I lost like 4 tix already anyway

[vague token]

xD

[sharp wing]

Motivation gets lower w/ each passing season

[ionic magnet]

my leftmost is 33 pts ahead only kek

[sharp wing]

Might stop even doing aotn

[shell heron]

I had kamita on my list this reset and I know he's sandbagging

used a refresh hoping for a better list

[coral wren]

Anyone tried arkroyal with hms?

[modern tree]

yes

[coral wren]

Is it tolerable?

[modern tree]

no

I tried it in the best possible conditions which is slow into Dork shot backed by QE

and it only ever works if Ark procs

[vague token]

solo carriers do weird damage if they dont have a damage skill

[modern tree]

because if she doesnt, she's just a tb boat with less health than Akagi-chan

[vague token]

and 30% chance for double damage is pretty meh

[modern tree]

25%

and her stats are atrocious

[vague token]

oh it's worse than focused strike

xD

[modern tree]

she has less health than most CVs and less evasion than them too

she's just a pinnacle of an outdated as fuck ship

[vague token]

or lucky

xD

also her evade is normal

[modern tree]

with ability that you'd think should carry her but the rest of her is just not good enough

[vague token]

most of the cvs are around 33

[modern tree]

her evade is not normal

if you have less evade than Graff Zeppelin then your evade is bad for a cv

[vague token]

uh, 54 at 120 is about the same as most of them

zepp is 50

honestly at 120 it gets really compressed xD

[modern tree]

her health is still less than Akagi-chan

[vague token]

oh, yeah, but cv health is all over

xD

zuikaku has 7.1 lol

[modern tree]

a chibi has more health than a boat with huge ol knockers

[vague token]

why? no idea

then you have wasp down at 4.8 LOL

wasp the cvl with a cv chassis

centaur the cvl with cv stats

le confusion

[modern tree]

Ark is still great for pve and shit, just dont bring her to pvp unless you like gambling on this 25% because she aint gona live long enough to launch more than twice if shes lucky

her health and HMS brand sub par AA just slays her

[vague token]

back in the level 100 days she could barely get to 1 air strike cause torp meta

basically, just use centaur

slows, more hp, 70 evade

double fighter to make up for aa loss

and more aviation

and 50 more reload

and instead of taking -20% damage from pvp ruleset

she only loses 10!

xD

someday id like a good backliner with low enough hp to work with sheffield

true glass

would she be good? probably not

but it would be cool

xD

[modern tree]

just use monitors

and then regret

unless your monitor is lvl 110 in w11 backed by sheff

then be happy

[vague token]

i mean, monitors dont have enough damage to warrant that squish xD

in pvp

[modern tree]

you wanted backliner to work with sheff, never said anything about being good

[vague token]

im pretty sure i did say good

[modern tree]

you said she probably wouldnt be and thats correct

[finite valve]

i have question about BM actually being legit good in w11+ since i never use them in late world

[modern tree]

I didnt use them much for clear, mostly for boss, believe it or not. Monitors can deal hilarious damage with helena

they are probably a lil too soft for clear without hughe support because all BBs in this game have HE shells

[finite valve]

oh i don't doubt their dps

what i doubt is their survivability

[modern tree]

bosses usually dont pressure your backline at all, unless you are in w 9

there every boss is a nightmare of different kind

[vague token]

wheeeeel

[finite valve]

don't you want to use BM for mob fleet since they are cheaper?

a -2 or -3 oil for boss fleet don't seem much

which is why i am asking it is even worth it to use them for mob fleet since boss is just whatever and a -2 or -3 don't really matter much on boss

[vague token]

i mean it adds up

[modern tree]

I will get real data to back up my statements when its not 1am on monday

[finite valve]

BM to me is just a strange concept since everybody and their mother always say how paper they are and should not use on late world

[vague token]

i mean they're niche not weak

61 at 120

[modern tree]

Erebus dies to her 160 AA at lvl 110 more than getting shot by BBs

[finite valve]

so just eva stack then?

[vague token]

i think you slap a radar

on there

[hot creek]

i remember one of my first pvp matches before I knew even how to reset, I went up against BM team with Nelson flagship and saw so many arrows fill screen and thought WTF HOW? THATS OP

pretty traumatizing to a new player ngl

[vague token]

ah the good old days

[modern tree]

I generally run a radar and a firework gun with twin 127 unless I really need her shelling damage for some reason

[finite valve]

you mean a worse fat BM?

[vague token]

yeah they act like cas

28 to 61 over 20 levels

[finite valve]

if only i am not swarm by red skill hungry ship

[grim ember]

Whats a good kms fleet vanguard comp?

[trim horizon]

_ _

[hot creek]

Belfast/Yukikaze/Juneau

[vague token]

im sure roon will work at dev 30 though xD

over belfast

extra thicc hp

[shell heron]

KMS vg for pvp?

[hot creek]

PogChamp

[vague token]

i too like to eat bombers at 3 mph

[shell heron]

Do they even move?

[vague token]

xD

[wicked rivet]

like snails

[safe meteor]

which dive bomber is best for Graf zeb btw?

[charred sable]

Itadakimasu

[vague token]

stuka

[wicked rivet]

[vague token]

ju something or other

in game

[wicked rivet]

the german one @safe meteor

[safe meteor]

even in pvp?

[charred sable]

+1 lol

[wicked rivet]

why would you be using graf zep in pvp

nice

[vague token]

stuka is close anyways to helldiver

[wicked rivet]

the dude I accidentally taged earlier moved enough for +1

[vague token]

so zep should only use it

[wicked rivet]

almost enough for +2

[safe meteor]

ah nvm

[shell heron]

yay another +1 reset...

[shy hazel]

@zenith tundra how is pr grind

and why your name become meme

[zenith tundra]

somehow not going anywhere

80 oil

left

[shy hazel]

80% ibuki

[zenith tundra]

88% on monarch

[shy hazel]

lb0 ijn ships are so bad

heh

cos they torp based not gun based

[zenith tundra]

idk if i want to wait for commission oil or just ask akashi for help. either way idk how ill do saint louis

[shy hazel]

pray for maint oil

[finite valve]

i take it lel

[shy hazel]

[zenith tundra]

i had jintsuu hard carry everything

she carried so hard my ijn clear where faster then any other so far

but no uss op gunboats

yet

[shy hazel]

i just grinded pelier for uss

[shell heron]

by op you mean 0LB op?

[finite valve]

isn't louis and monty good gun boat?

[zenith tundra]

by op i mean ships that just kill stuff

[shell heron]

same, I worked on monty while farming sanrui exp

[zenith tundra]

not sit on 20 sec cd for torp

[shell heron]

sanrui is a torp CA with MGM +1

[shy hazel]

im prioritizing hms ships rn

[shell heron]

interesting

[shy hazel]

used all bps on monarch

then nep

then louis

[finite valve]

going to max sanrui first if i feel like it

[zenith tundra]

literally dropped random researches for equip

[finite valve]

i need good VG not back

[zenith tundra]

only picked roon ones

[shy hazel]

still got no 120👀

[shell heron]

I want sanrui bps, but been getting mostly roon projects

94 to 66

[zenith tundra]

i am 4 bps away from dev 25 on roon

[shell heron]

Dev 25 is only half way there

[zenith tundra]

and useless for roon

[finite valve]

on any VG tbh

only backline benefit from dev 30

[zenith tundra]

roon II barrage tho

[raw osprey]

r n

[finite valve]

not worry too much about mlb all PR tbh since you can still get by w/o using them

PR gear is where it's at

[ionic magnet]

nagato top new meta

[odd schooner]

Lmao

[lament lichen]

That guy always has her at top

[vague token]

o.o

[buoyant parrot]

but why

[lament lichen]

dunno go ask him

been like that since nagato was out

[vale juniper]

H3h3h3

[shy hazel]

[ionic magnet]

dont think he's memeing either

[trim horizon]

[wicked rivet]

[midnight heron]

ok then

[trim horizon]

1566 9/10 with 2 missed ticket

[stone grove]

that's some sad damage from Enterprise

[vague token]

no procs? xD

[stone grove]

Probably lol
I'd also bet Hornet procced both her skills together

Because Hornet does take mvp more often for me but usually by a lower margin

[shell heron]

Hmm

I can't tell if KurisuOkabe's score is a 5/10 score or rushed

[vague token]

hmmm

[shell heron]

guess I'll find out at the end of season now won't I

[vague token]

xD

[ionic magnet]

hard to tell cos its possible that he got super lucky

but most likely its rushed

[vague token]

24/25 mle =D

im excited!

(to never get the last one)

[zenith tundra]

i have 24/25 on cl gun and triple 381 but looking more for staag and 203 proto skc that i have 22/25

[vague token]

ah

[hot creek]

I just want Nepgun for my girl

already had to pass up two of those focused comms cause I don't have blueprints for those

considering farming 4-3 again but

thats just so bad

[steep fog]

I got my 1st nepgun and rudder

[shy hazel]

plebes with your mainstream pr gears

i got best sandy aa radar

[coral wren]

5 sandbaggers went into a bar..

[red nexus]

They are still sitting to this day

[coral wren]

[charred sable]

Hmm, did I accidentally miss any attacks? Missed 1 attack a few days ago, not sure if I just missed 2 more

[blazing scroll]

You might have missed a bunch actually

I missed 3/4 attacks

[charred sable]

RIP, thats not good news 😂

66k merit though... Im gonna assume you're not aiming to LB all your units?

[blazing scroll]

I'm already stacked on bullins

I only spend on boxes and cubes

[vale juniper]

H3h3h3

[coral wren]

Daaaamn

Whats better for pvp magnetic or normal torpedoes?

[ionic magnet]

mags

[coral wren]

👌

What aux gun should i use on nagato? I use belgun is it ok?

[lament lichen]

Thats fine

[coral wren]

👌

[shy hazel]

mid season and u showing us useless top 1

end season and moi clap

[ionic magnet]

[vale juniper]

Idc

[shy hazel]

[coral wren]

should yuki actually carry a fire extinguisher?

[shy hazel]

yes

cos fire kills her the most

[coral wren]

Fr? I thought u should use double repair tools

[shy hazel]

who said tht to you

ppl here will crucify that person

[coral wren]

Xd

[blazing scroll]

[ionic magnet]

most ppl here run boiler+fe on her

[shy hazel]

only villains use double lunchbox

👀

[coral wren]

only siths deal in absolutes

[blazing scroll]

I thought real villains use double boiler

[coral wren]

🤔 🤔 boiler +fe huh

only siths deal in absolutes

Kden thx

[vagrant veldt]

even worse one is peal on yukikaze

[coral wren]

only siths deal in absolutes

[blazing scroll]

I thought real villains use double boiler

[stark raft]

Beaver + Boiler on nanoda

[coral wren]

What gear should i use on juneau?

Suddenly, replacing sheffield with yuki made it look like my hms is having 50> wr

[ionic magnet]

juneau gear is very flexible tbh

depends when you want her to die

[coral wren]

Em

[shy hazel]

juneau

[coral wren]

I need smth standard for now

[shy hazel]

torp bulge and lunchbox

+10 both

[ionic magnet]

im running boiler+toolbox

[shy hazel]

AAs are supposed to be a mix of bofors and ufos

on your whole fleet

[coral wren]

What about the pearl? Do u use at all?

[shy hazel]

pearl is for another ship

[ionic magnet]

put it on your front vg

[shy hazel]

in my case

[ionic magnet]

except juneau yea

[shy hazel]

i use belfast with pearl

[coral wren]

Yeah i ask who should i put it to

[shy hazel]

with jun

jun belfast nanoda

vh

vg

[coral wren]

I want to use that too

[shy hazel]

then use it

[ionic magnet]

lol

[shy hazel]

welcome to mainstream meta

like us

haters gotta hate what

[ionic magnet]

[coral wren]

Ive heard people say belfast best choice bcz nanoda doesnt die easily and juneau will overheal

[shy hazel]

my juneau is spicy

actually i put beaver badge on her

she always survives last

[ionic magnet]

youre running jun now? 👀

[shy hazel]

[ionic magnet]

after all the hate

[shy hazel]

???

me not using jun means i hate her

[coral wren]

I dont have amagi anyway so ill use my fav nakaga

[shy hazel]

[ionic magnet]

didnt you say that before

[shy hazel]

and ive been using jun for 2 months now

[ionic magnet]

or was it another person

[shy hazel]

not me hey

i switch to jun when i started using namahyu

from full torp memes

[coral wren]

Em is there any point using jun if she dies last?

[ionic magnet]

cant remember who said that

[shy hazel]

no

thats why dont use badge on her

heh

[ionic magnet]

yea thats why you dont make her super tanky

[coral wren]

Oh i misunderstood u xd

[shy hazel]

youll have to make your own balance

make sure she doesnt die too fast

or too late

she needs to die definitely

in mid part

[ionic magnet]

[coral wren]

I succ at balancing stuff

[stark raft]

Jun with 2 dildos

[shy hazel]

in the end, shes fated to die anyways

[stark raft]

[shy hazel]

inescapable fate

indeed

[coral wren]

Should i use double cata or 1 cata and 1 oil tank

[shy hazel]

what is your fleet

[coral wren]

I asked b4 and people said its just preference

[shy hazel]

amakaga?

[coral wren]

No nakaga

[shy hazel]

i mean whats your backline team

[coral wren]

Ye its nakaga

[shy hazel]

anyways

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BglmSOaD1ec8zc6bKwiItf2OcQueoRNxF3UGzlQnHBU/edit?usp=sharing

just follow this

made by us (i did 1% contribution)

[coral wren]

What did you mean lol am i dumb

[shy hazel]

read the guide and thou shall stop being dumb

and ascend to memedom

[coral wren]

👌 👌 👌

Anyway thanks!

[ionic magnet]

2 catas vs 1 cata/1 tank is the preference thing

for 2 CV backline

[shy hazel]

hey we need to adjust this

tierlist soon

new gears

new ships

[coral wren]

Hm, i'm curious, will it be jesus nep and yuki or jesus nep and bel for hms

I guess both will be viable, but the last one in case if there are still foxes doing fox things around

[shy hazel]

hms?

u mean future meta?

[coral wren]

Ye

[shy hazel]

louis ykkz neptune

[coral wren]

Once ppl level their pr ships

[shy hazel]

louis will takes belfast place

neptune is only for hms folks

full hms fleets

if not jun is still meta

[blazing scroll]

Portland already has taken belfast's place for me

[shy hazel]

memer thot begone

[blazing scroll]

It actually works really great in mirrors

Because Portland is way tankier

[buoyant parrot]

[stark raft]

wat about aurora/nep/bel with all dildoes

[coral wren]

Damn this is so complicated

But interesting at the same time

[steep fog]

Anyone trying tank + badge on hiryuu?

[charred sable]

Azur Lane PvP is actually a lot simpler than most games due to the limited mechanics that occur. The only thing that's really "complicated" is the points ranking system, but thats only because there's no in-game explanation for it.

And the calculations involved since those numbers are also hidden, but they've more or less been datamined

I run catapult + badge. Tank + badge should be more efficient, but I like big numbers

[steep fog]

Do i put rudder on nagato or amagi?

[charred sable]

both

wait, do you mean radar?

[vagrant veldt]

high performance steering

[coral wren]

Idk man i played a lot of pvp games and didnt find it that hard

But maybe thats just bcz im not used to al pvp

[charred sable]

its more that AL's depth is shallow

there's limited mechanics and gear/level caps

[ionic magnet]

rudder is an improved beaver so you use it just like beaver

[coral wren]

Well im just lvl70 and i barely touched pvp

[ionic magnet]

mainly on flagship

so nagato

[charred sable]

so once you cap out on everything, its a matter of comparing numbers and attack windows

which can be fun at first, but is a "solved" problem

so once its solved, there's nothing more to do until new ships come out

its not really an "evolving" or dynamic PvP game so to speak

[coral wren]

There are a lot of people that say al pvp is broken and should be changed

But i think its easier said than done

And i cant say that i dislike it anyway

[charred sable]

it is. Broken in a fundamentally "this game wasn't designed with PvP as a focus" kind of way

[coral wren]

And how can we fix that?

[charred sable]

well there's 2 parts that is broken

first is the ranking system, which is measured by effort and RNG, not by strength

[coral wren]

Yeah but top players are pretty much the same anyway

[charred sable]

effort being measured in terms of "how often do you mindlessly check your phone per hour"

[coral wren]

Same fleets with maxed gear

[charred sable]

and even if you do that, your are gated by the RNG factor of which opponents you get

all of which has nothing to do with the battle itself

[coral wren]

Thats true

[charred sable]

the second part that is broken is the battle itself lol

attacker has a 20% damage bonus

that means, as long as you use a maxed out meta team that has a 40% win rate or higher, you can beat anyone

conversely, anyone that meets that requirement can also beat you

since there is no consequence of restarting battles

[coral wren]

Yeah thats kinda stupid

[charred sable]

and because of the game having a very-achievable hard cap (lvl 110 and +10 gear), this becomes a trivial requirement to meet for any active player

now suppose we make a bunch of adjustments to address these issues

Aka, disallow for attacking resets, remove the 20% attacker bonus, allow for unlimited refreshes and change the point system to be based on rank difference, etc.

this would make Azur Lane's PvP system significantly "better"

but it still wouldn't solve the fundamental problem of simple mechanics

PvP based games often have crowd-control and debuff-based mechanics that let you do things like strategize and counter specific comps

the closest we have here is Helena/Aurora/Sendai with their debuffs, and Eldridge with her full-team evasion

but that's about it really

[coral wren]

[charred sable]

this gets triumphed by raw power and speed. Like Nagato/QE's fleet buffs, foxes' fast plane launches, etc.

Hiryuu and Enterprise's X seconds of immunity, and Hiryuu and Yorktown's counter-attacks are somewhat interesting, but Enterprise and Yorktown are rarely seen in PvP nowadays, with Yorktown's raw damage just not being enough

[coral wren]

lobby is still ded

[sharp wing]

Yorktown was a star of like 1st month-2 of pvp

[charred sable]

a PvP-focused game would be something like if Enterprise had a skill that reduced the CV damage of IJN CVs by 50%, or Royal Ark has a 20% chance of silencing Bismarck's skills for 10s or something very specific like that

[raw osprey]

which pre PR AA does the 100mm replace in PvP? https://gyazo.com/38545eaac4d8ab06e9ba1ec4d2d6a031

[charred sable]

and there'd need to be a lot of these type of skills that directly affect opponent ships. That would make team building a lot more involved and allow you to build specific counter teams to specific comps

[sharp wing]

german one, but it's not used in pvp

mostly

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Twin_105mm_(SK_C/33)#Type_3

[raw osprey]

[coral wren]

They also should make distance between players even

[charred sable]

@coral wren anyway, I guess my point is, yes there's a lot of "fixable" issues with Azur Lane's current PvP system that would make it far more interesting if changed, but they'd still not be enough to make Azur Lane a serious PvP game due to lack of underlying complex mechanics

[sharp wing]

Well, they are like bootleg 113 i guess, if you dun have those

[coral wren]

Yes i understand

[charred sable]

that's why no one really takes PvP super seriously and we just troll around all the time xD

[raw osprey]

pvp is just a means to an end to get purins

[sharp wing]

But my dock cannot handle them anymore

[raw osprey]

[ionic magnet]

who doesn't take PvP seriously? the blasphemy

[coral wren]

feed them to your boats as enhance materials

[sharp wing]

[raw osprey]

[sharp wing]

[sharp wing]

Dun Bulli bulins

[charred sable]

I still need 7 more gold Bullins

[sharp wing]

i got 25 in dock

[raw osprey]

i got 3x as many purins as bullins

[coral wren]

Level them all up. Pander them.

Wdym pantsu lol have you seen those tiddies

[sharp wing]

Sandy shall deliver ya'll

[raw osprey]

[coral wren]

Still you cant ignore them

[sharp wing]

thicc oppai loli?

[raw osprey]

she in flat would be perfect sub

[coral wren]

Whats the term for that

?

[sharp wing]

Catch her and cuddle

[charred sable]

@sharp wing

[raw osprey]

[charred sable]

Stupid Montpelier ruining the combo

[sharp wing]

[coral wren]

Lol so many

I personally play pvp just bcz i want to use my foxes xd

So i dont care how broken it is

[sharp wing]

Dam fluffy tails

Amagi best fox anyway

[coral wren]

Sry bro nothing beats Akagi

But amagi still is really dkn good

Man wish i started earlier so i could get her

:(((((

[sharp wing]

sicc waifu

[coral wren]

Missed so much stuff bcz i started late

[sharp wing]

DW, we get rerun on anything non collab

[coral wren]

Yeah but i have to w8 months

[sharp wing]

year*

[coral wren]

And i even missed doy just bcz i was lazy

I cry evryday

[sharp wing]

Oh well

I dun really like Dork as chara

KGV>Dork

[coral wren]

Well even then she is very strong

[sharp wing]

Well can't take that away from her

even some shenanigans uses, like confetti debuffing when farming vg exp

[coral wren]

We arent getting off topic right?

I dont want to get banned

[sharp wing]

it's offtopic 80% time

[lunar veldt]

if u run a stacked HMS fleet u ought to run kgv

over DoY

[sharp wing]

Hmmm]

[coral wren]

I already got warned 2 times bcz of stupid reasons

[lunar veldt]

btw

just for memes

[sharp wing]

[lunar veldt]

kgv salvo can go sub 10 secs

[sharp wing]

Her 1st salvo goes off below 7 sec

when maxed

[lunar veldt]

wait till u try

fcr + QE

[sharp wing]

Even for lovely king, i'm not going that far

[stark raft]

Momarch KGV Hood/QE + Nep and whatever

[lunar veldt]

its for the memes anyway

[stark raft]

Well a few more days I can test it out

[sharp wing]

kgv qe hood for max reload

[stark raft]

Yeah since Monarch ain't dev30

But 3 barrage boats

[sharp wing]

dev 25 monarch is tough enough

[stark raft]

All 3 of them are

[sharp wing]

QE loli doesn't belong there tho

[stark raft]

Yeah hood/monarch/KGV are tanky

[sharp wing]

"meaty"

[stark raft]

thicc

[coral wren]

I'll try to level kgv as fast as i can, since i already got mon to 110

[sharp wing]

[coral wren]

I can't deny i deserve all your smugs for having my hms fucking me up the ass in recent days, but that should be the ultimate clap

4 shells randomly missing every single time

[sharp wing]

[stark raft]

just wait for shells and get your STAAG bofor

[coral wren]

Ye, staag should compensate a lil bit for shell accuracy trade off, but i don't know if it will be worth carrying it on barrage boats

[stark raft]

white shell also has accuracy

[coral wren]

ye, i know, but not as much as sg

on the other hand, + 55 fp 🤔

[stark raft]

1 shell 1 sg ofc

[coral wren]

is monarch kgv wskai viable ?

I wanna kick QE

[ionic magnet]

QE is optional until we get warspite kai

[coral wren]

tbh if qe get a retrofit it would truly be HMS meta

[wicked rivet]

I have Linky on my list but he needs to do 1 more attack for +1

[midnight heron]

not sure if known but i noticed dat tirpitz gets her lone queen buff after bismarck dies (if in da same fleet in da first place)

[wicked rivet]

she does

cause after the other battleship dies, she's the only one in the fleet

[midnight heron]

cool stuff as always

[coral wren]

does it stack?

[wicked rivet]

hwat

stacks with a dead ship's skill??

[elder crane]

well, tbf some skills remain after sinking

[coral wren]

Ye. Bisco's buff still affects kms after her death, doesn't it?

[elder crane]

Nagato/QE both do iirc

Seems like it should, the wording is like Nagato/QE/etc. instead of Aurora/Amagi/etc.

[midnight heron]

sink bismarck to buff tirpitz 200 iq

[coral wren]

And get killed shortly after

nice,+2 this reset

[coral wren]

+3, i’m growing stronger

[wicked rivet]

Nobody on my list is moving

[shell heron]

I had one person move...at 3AM when I woke up

[midnight heron]

https://www.reddit.com/r/AzureLane/comments/bwoiyy/azuma_with_ijn_fleet_in_pvp_she_seem_doing_great/

[coral wren]

True axis power

Sacrificing a single yankee to the gods of war

[midnight heron]

idk if hes actually comparing them

its more to show how azuma's ability to hit backlines is gud stuff

also hes using pearl on juneau

[trim horizon]

lvl 120 I don't think it's overheal

[modern tree]

Azuma is played for 4 ijn so Amagi can shoot. She's likely there out of necessity and not real choice

Her CA gun not being crippled by 40 degree targeting cone might be another thing I guess

[modern tree]

I actually wonder if the only way to really fight Fredrick da gross hp pool backed with Amagi outside of mirrors is HMS just cuz you can remove Amagi before her skills are too much of a problem

[merry edge]

you only realistically care about aurora's yellow right? I can save my red books?

[wicked rivet]

triple 381 aquired

[merry edge]

yea, and that damage is pretty much never going to be the difference between a win and a loss right?

[wicked rivet]

it could be but it probably wont

and if it does make a difference it'll be very rarely

[serene knot]

uh.......... is nagato really that much better than Amagi?
she's not maxed out yet, but it feels like she's only there to barrage, and if she doesn't barrage a restart is in order
or is she better than amagi even if she doesn't barrage at first?

honestly i wouldn't an rng oriented comp lol

[modest elbow]

you should try removing her from the fleet, and see how much damage you're dealing without her

versus with her on it

[serene knot]

no i mean, i asked because i'm putting a lot of resources on her

currently i'm only using amagi

but i guess i'm having second doubts

[modern tree]

just use her with Amagi like a normal person

[serene knot]

oh

i was planning on running her with foxes

[modern tree]

What else do you have if Nagato starts feeling like overinvestment

[serene knot]

well i was just wondering if nagato's value came with the ability to restart the match or not

[modern tree]

Nagato is a force multiplier with 40% chance to win the game outright

not 60% chance to restart your game

[stark raft]

her yellow skill more than makes up for it

[serene knot]

hmmm alright

[ionic magnet]

noone tested nakaga vs amakaga i guess

[shell heron]

not many amakaga players left to test on

[ionic magnet]

no i mean on offense

if there's really a difference between those two comps

nakaga offense and amakaga offense

[sharp wing]

Nakaga has much more raw power coupled w/ offense buff there is obvious winner

[ionic magnet]

thats what people thought obv

[shell heron]

For a while I found Amakaga more consistent than using Nakaga. While Namaryuu was available already with the release of Nagato, I think Namakaga was more popular with casuals because it was such a well known comp

vs Amakaga that is

[ionic magnet]

yea that makes sense

[mild spruce]

Anyone have a picture of what an HMS fleet is supposed to look like

With warsprite retro

[ionic magnet]

qe monarch warkai

[abstract cypress]

most player here are en

[mild spruce]

Yea I am too

Just wanted to know if monarch was being used

And it is so that’s good

[abstract cypress]

ofc

[ionic magnet]

well qe and warkai are p much mandatory

3rd slot is somewhat open

but monarch is first choice rn

[abstract cypress]

qe aint mandatory

[ionic magnet]

with warkai?

[modern tree]

HERE WE GO AGAIN, PEOPLE TRYING TO RE-INVENT THE WHEEL

[ionic magnet]

[abstract cypress]

[modern tree]

please tell us what wonderful boat would you run rather than boosting all the relevant stats of your already omega overstated boats

[ionic magnet]

[abstract cypress]

anything

[modern tree]

I hope you enjoy it half as much as you'd enjoy just running a good boat

[trim horizon]

[ionic magnet]

i know you just dont like her artstyle like many of us

[modern tree]

I will be the first to admit that her default sprite is garbage, but dodging using her and pretending its better this way is just on another level

[ionic magnet]

but her buff will just get better as we get more stats from levels

[sharp wing]

Can i talk shit about QE now?

[shell heron]

When you have to buy a skin to make her art tolerable

[abstract cypress]

go on man, butcareful someone might be triggered

inb4 its hardly called her majesty ship fleet when theres no the queen in it

[modern tree]

still waiting for those hot suggestions that are meant to be her replacement

[ionic magnet]

[modern tree]

And let me sqare up with you before you say something like "u mad bro" or whatever again cuz this is the conversation level we are at. A person that comes to this channel and asks how HMS fleet should look like does not need you to tell them "just run whatever you want bruh" or "your waifu will work I swear". It's redundant at best and straight misinformation at worst. If you have a suggestion to replace QE with, go ahead, we can discuss it an possibly even arrive to a conclusion that she is not the absolutely best ship in the slot. However, saying she's not mandatory and following it up with "anything is better", yeah, helpful

Triggered lul3d

[ionic magnet]

:yeptune:

also, a jp guy actually did us a favor of testing this just recently

so if you can find another test that says otherwise then by all means please post it here

[buoyant parrot]

angery HMS lord

[silver root]

what boats did he test QE against?

[ionic magnet]

https://youtu.be/oTfANsiA-5M

https://youtu.be/UaibNssXikQ

i only saved these two but you can just search for the rest

[vague token]

what is that silliness

no juneau?

ibuki?

nani?

[lament lichen]

Thats cn lul

[vague token]

must be fun beating up people with no juneau at level 120

lol

also, jintsuu with ibuki

omegalul

[ionic magnet]

well thats only for testing dmg of qe and no qe comp

thats the best he got on his list so its w/e

[vague token]

xD

im scared, phoenix has been typing forever jk

[coral wren]

How good is the Prototype Triple 203mm AA Gun?

[vague token]

wait, AA gun?

is one of the cruiser guns named an aa gun xD

im pretty sure all the proto triple 203s are good

though

considering one is roon gun

and the other is saint louis gun

[hot creek]

well, sometimes I type up a huge rant using mobile which takes forever and then decide its not worth posting. but I will say a certain few telling others to unironically "just use your waifu" here kind of piss me off. thats some #gameplay-help tier shit advice.

[coral wren]

What if their waifu is an objectively good ship like San Diego?

[vague token]

oh mobile

objective

[shy hazel]

no casuals here pls

[hot creek]

its fine to meme every once in a while but telling something like that to new players who come here seeking actual pvp help is a disservice.

[buoyant parrot]

when you are going to give PvP advice don't just say "just use your waifu or use anything you like" we DON'T DO THAT HERE

go somewhere else you plebian casual trash.

[shy hazel]

woah chill there

[coral wren]

I wish I could have seen the 30 drafts of @hot creek's rant before he settled on that statement.

[buoyant parrot]

[shy hazel]

[buoyant parrot]

I like Stella's rant at #game-feedback

the feeling of almost getting banned but not quite but at the same time almost certain

are you ready for DST ver 6.9?

[vague token]

oh

[hot creek]

I blame mobile. Takes forever for me to type and I have to correct so many typos

[buoyant parrot]

[coral wren]

I choose to believe you wrote a 5000 line essay while screaming at the screen, and then deleted it and went with what you submitted.

[sharp wing]

LOL, indeed it's "AA"

@vague token

[vague token]

oh weird

[sharp wing]

i was like...

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

152 mm also has AA in name

BB guns have 'Main' instead

[vague token]

weird

[sharp wing]

Roon gun somewhy has Main too...

At least you can easily tell Mle from Roon gun by this, lol

[vague token]

yeah xD

[craggy cove]

Huh, even with 3 losses this season I managed to reach 5th on Lexington

guess all the tryhards are on avrora

[shy hazel]

[sharp wing]

Sounds like Sandy

[ionic magnet]

[compact arch]

I should always use all my exercise attempts, correct?

[lament lichen]

that depends if you are sandbagging or not

in the end you still use all attempts after 2 weeks

[coral wren]

Imagine using Hood and Enterprise and somehow slipping into the top 50.

Oh, now this is just unfortunate. This person is using Nakaga with Prinz and Belfast.

They even wifed Prinz Eugen.

[shy hazel]

you can reach top 20 with any team

just reset until u win

its dumb tho

[shell heron]

and def fleet doesn't really matter yet

any comp can be beaten

[shy hazel]

im just flexing my 5 pr ships in def fleet

[coral wren]

I wonder if I should replace Ayanami with Kawakaze.

[shy hazel]

nice meme

do u even fight ppl with alot of cas

[midnight heron]

tfw just bought event boxes and got 1 radar 1 cuda 😮

[coral wren]

Ayanami just dies so fast every time.

I want to replace her with Aurora, but RNGsus just gives me Sandy instead.

[midnight heron]

[coral wren]

I want to start shoveling cubes into the wishing well for Aurora, but I still haven't pulled the event DD.

[shy hazel]

why u even using ayanami

thats 2018

[coral wren]

Because Yukikaze needs a friend.

[lament lichen]

yukikaze's best friend is juneau

[shy hazel]

^

u mean

jun is everyone's bbf

[midnight heron]

[shy hazel]

best buds forever

[coral wren]

Sirius/Yuki/Juneau just doesn't sit right with me.

[midnight heron]

u can always...

stand

im sry ill be off da internet for today

[ionic magnet]

[coral wren]

Maybe I should try Mogami...

[shy hazel]

nice meme

[compact arch]

when u have incredible bad luck and no amount of refreshes can find u a fleet u can beat

[coral wren]

That's not bad luck. That's bad fleet.

[analog hare]

You will always never lose if you addicted to PVP, no matter what it is

[shy hazel]

youll never lose if youre trump

[shell heron]

I love late night PvP. nobody moves enough for a +1

[modern tree]

I got +2 on this reset which is more than I usually get considering I am like 20 points ahead of Sandy rn

[coral wren]

Uhh, got 8 points instead of 10 for fighting the most left guy

Why tho

[modern tree]

Pretty sure the display is still bugged and can show you about any number if you tap to skip it

I've gotten couple of 0 this season, always weird

If you just wait for it to count up it seems to never happen

Good sandbagging feels

[coral wren]

Hm, i see, ty!

[stone grove]

Taking bets on who between Enterprise and Hornet gets MVP

[vague token]

[shy hazel]

[coral wren]

that's... fucking weird

[ionic magnet]

meme fleet vs meme fleet = meme dmg chart

[stone grove]

Another meme damage chart despite the owari da showdown at the end

IJN fleet that was just meme enough for meme MVP
(Cranes instead of Foxes)

(BTW that Monarch's level 68 and there to suck up XP)

[charred sable]

wtf you doing to Horneyt?

[vagrant veldt]

her barrage has no planes

proof is her bombers don't get shot down by Des Moines in ch13

[coral wren]

who should i use washing machine on?

[vagrant veldt]

normal bombers still stand no chance

[coral wren]

backline or frontline?

[vagrant veldt]

backline

significant benefits

and not that good for vanguards

[stone grove]

Her barrage planes are shadows yeah

They can't be shot down

[shy hazel]

@vagrant veldt

do u have some data

on why ppl think roon artist is on bad terms with al devs

[vagrant veldt]

@shy hazel good/bad terms I don't know but there was a pretty big and very stupid controversy about Roon's artist being accused of copying the equipment design of another shipfu in another game.

wargaming provided the equipment designs since it was based on their ship after all and pretty sure AL was responsible for character design

[shy hazel]

yeah i kno bout that but my friend asking if someone has the talk about it

even in chinese

[vagrant veldt]

after this absurd accusation and controversy I think the artist deleted all related AL arts

[shy hazel]

so ppl think they on bad terms is it

[vagrant veldt]

good/bad terms I cant precisely answer since the artist is working somewhere else and has no time for AL

[coral wren]

I personally remember only one dude who was drawing ships for them in the beginning, and was slacking a bit, so devs constantly had to fix his art. Then when al became commercially successful, this dude who left shortly before that happened, was shitting on them for screwing around with his drawings

[vagrant veldt]

probably US big7 original art

disgrace of an artist