pvp

[vague token]

i dunno all of them

xD

sodak is piano

dunno the rest

[wicked rivet]

the whole band's here

[sharp wing]

lmao

[vague token]

u-81 also piano but no subs in pvp rip

[ionic magnet]

qe skin actually makes her playable

[vague token]

i think we're missing 1 vanguard

[vague token]

fubuki, aurora on violin, and someone

[shy hazel]

aurora skin v pretty too yeah

[sharp wing]

An Shan has skin

[vague token]

oh ok

trombone nice

[sharp wing]

yeah

[vague token]

so backline is shoukaku, sodak, and who

[sharp wing]

well, if we take vanilla skins too

[vague token]

i mean she plays a flute in vanilla so xD

it's fine it counts

[sharp wing]

I think Uni Songstress can do for a band?

that's closest we can get tbh

[vague token]

close enough i guess xD

[sharp wing]

Tho she will give diabetes

[grim ember]

Any1 tried kms fleet in pvp? Is it as powerful as nagato+fox?

[hot creek]

i don't think anyone here has KMS properly maxed yet.

[vague token]

if i had enough staag

id use one on saint louis

but i have 1 staag

and having more than 1 staag is gonna take another month lol

3 staag 2 ufo sounds fine i think?

but im not gonna do the math xD

they need general pr gear bps

that should totally be a thing

[sharp wing]

Staag surely will be 1st prior on ijn bb/bcs

[craggy cove]

Even with 2 losses so far this season I can rush up to rank 10ish each night

[elder crane]

3 staag 2 ufo is a pretty fine setup
you probably run the VG staag on Louis for the +10 Hit, since CAs still get a decent benefit out of that, even though that's bad for the AA setup, since AA in this meta is pretty w/e
CL/DDs don't really, so otherwise just slap it on Yukikaze or Aya since those two have low AA damage mods (optimizing for AA damage makes significantly more diff than optimizing for AA reload time, especially with the staag)

[vague token]

yeah that's what i figured

personally i meme with the blue aa gun on aya

MAXIMUM RELOAD

but i dont use her for pvp so w/e

[elder crane]

too much range loss for auto-mode (PvP included)
without staag, the purple 76 and 102 are the best reload-meme AA guns for auto since they don't have gimped range
(for hitting planes, its the ratio of range and reload that matters)

[vague token]

oh is there a purple one?

xD

[wicked rivet]

purple 76?

[elder crane]

12.7mm is the full reload meme AA gun, that's blue

[vague token]

gonna check what it looks like

[wicked rivet]

hwat

[vague token]

oh that single cannon looking one

[wicked rivet]

the 76 is blue

[elder crane]

76 mm actual AA gun, not the "AA gun" that's actually a ship gun

[wicked rivet]

oh

[vague token]

ok ill try those out i guess

xD

not really important yet since no ch 12

[elder crane]

they're both strictly worse than the staag iirc though, which is

[vague token]

yeah, but 76 is dirt cheap and staag is well

a future investment

xD

(my staag went to amagi already)

[elder crane]

For PvE though there's some argument for not having too much AA range if your total AA is weak
since more planes in range = less maximum damage dealt on a single plane iirc (though more total damage dealt)
PvE, it's important to shoot down planes and not just weaken them, since they come back if you don't

[vague token]

oh yeah cause the damage still has a minimum

30% is the hard min i think?

[elder crane]

5%

[vague token]

oh is it different for pve?

[elder crane]

oh you mean plane HP

[vague token]

cause i see + .3

[elder crane]

yeah, that's 30%

5% is the minimum AA damage

[vague token]

oh you meant that

xD

gotcha

[elder crane]

yeah, I thought you were talking about something else

[vague token]

i was mostly meaning like to confirm that it's better to kill

cause anywhere between 29 and 0 but not dead

means wasted damage

[elder crane]

and the shooting down part, was cause PvE planes respawn actually

[vague token]

cause the plane does full .3 still

so you need to either get clean kills

or just bring them to .3

and move on to the next

without waste

[elder crane]

if you shoot them down they stay down, if you leak even at 1 HP they come back again later at full HP

[vague token]

oh i didnt know that

wow so that's like double bad

cause not only does the damage not matter

they come back

xD

big oof

[elder crane]

yeah, I find with low-AA teams it's actually better to have lower range so the AA damage is concentrated and planes actually get shot down
like 1:1 with two lower-AA ships in the event maps, the planes never get shot down and start stacking up

[vague token]

i getcha

[elder crane]

3* CV nodes in the event maps iirc end up with 24, or was it 36, planes total
12 added at start and sets of 6 at time intervals

which if you let build up, murders a solo main

[vague token]

o.O

you know it'd be kinda neat if planes went back to your carriers in pvp

so they could be more dps oriented

than long burst

but they had to survive

so fighters would just be zipping back and forth shooting at planes

xD

[elder crane]

I think a reload bonus/penalty for remaining HP would be interesting to see

[vague token]

oh i meant, when they touch end of screen

they fly back

if they make it back

immediately take off again

[elder crane]

well... planes kinda don't get shot down in PvP, so.....

[vague token]

i mean, fighter aa dps would mean more since they're going back and forth all the time

and you have to go through 2 waves of aa

but that'll never happen

xD

[elder crane]

idk if the AA damage buildup would be enough to kill off the added plane HP
plus the game lags enough already with larger strike waves

[vague token]

i mean they could just take away plane hp with pvp mods

unless it doesnt work on them

[elder crane]

pretty sure that ends with all planes shot down
it's... a pretty delicate balance right now afaik

[vague token]

pvp rules are weird

yeah it's kinda all or nothing lol

[elder crane]

even low-AA IJN takes 1/3 of the HP off of planes

if you get it right, the new multi, you could super nerf IJN

[vague token]

(minus hyuuga lol)

[elder crane]

and ofc catch KMS in the crossfire

[vague token]

doesnt kms have pretty decent aa on leip (who also is getting a retro)

i mean it isnt sandy

yeah 347 at 120 is similar to sheffield

[elder crane]

Yeah, but iirc she's super squishy with not much other utility
and idk if we need to make Sandy retro any better

[vague token]

i mean they're adding leipzig retro soon

that'll boost her right

RIGHT?

"soon"

CLs get what, 300 hp max?

usually?

xD

she's kms so she should get a higher amount relative to other cl retros

they like big hp

actually kms CLs all have kinda high aa what is this

alternatively they could add plane armor tiers

and then the guns could penetrate different levels of armor based on aa and their caliber

xD

"you must be this tall to shoot down planes"

too heavy handed

was a fun thought though

[edgy jetty]

What's your pvp lineup that could take upto top 50 place in pvp ?

[vague token]

i mean, the current ez mode one is still nagato, amagi, hiryuu, belfast/sheffield, juneau, yukikaze

using variants takes overall game knowledge to know who to swap and for what reason

[edgy jetty]

How about wasd ? Still effective?

Against Sakura?

[vague token]

you'll have trouble if you run into that team probably

but i mean

you can just reset a bunch if you really need to

xD

[edgy jetty]

[vague token]

i think we have a pin to the tier list if you want more detail

once sodak's concert skin comes out ill probably use her instead of nagato because i love that skin

xD

[ionic magnet]

a man of culture

[hidden wyvern]

https://i.imgur.com/laPpeZm.jpg

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

[lament lichen]

need dat kisaragi retro

[ionic magnet]

only thing im looking forward to at this point is monarch qipao

[vague token]

that one is good too

[rough cobalt]

waiting for roon beach skin

[ionic magnet]

i wonder if we're getting a new batch of summer skins

since its summer and all already

[vague token]

saint louis beach skin

smite the heretics

[rough cobalt]

who should i drop for kawakaze, takao atago or belfast

[ionic magnet]

belfast is the only real meta ship of those four so its w/e

[rough cobalt]

ill just drop takao

cause atago is waifu

[red nexus]

Both honestly

Roony minne and port are the only good CA

[trim horizon]

Sanrui

[coral wren]

Does monarch need white shell?

That’s -17 acc

[sharp wing]

Shell can be fishy business on ship w/ 0 luck and sub 120 overall

I'd probably rather go hsfcr at current state + rudder or sg

Tho if her barrage can actually crit w/ decent chance, shell might work, if shell crit skill affects barrage crits

[vague token]

shell only affects main gun

aka biscuit required

or anyone with focused strike type effect since you can crit the doubled damage

[sharp wing]

Then shell really doesn't look that appealing on her

[vague token]

shell still important on people who gotta main gun obviously

[hot creek]

is anybody here planning to seriously invest into KMS?

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

ill get zep, biscuit, and roon someday to 110

[sharp wing]

I'll invest in leipzig butt anyway

[vague token]

but that's the most ill do

unless leipzig retro is top tier

[sharp wing]

And my z vanguard

[vague token]

biscuit needs shell to be competitive though

she wont do much without it

since barrage damage, even post fix, is going to be ehh

[sharp wing]

Devs will be like "No need to fix something, that is working"

I'm sure of it

[vague token]

xD

i guess biscuit might be worth trying when we get pr2 dev 30

eg biscuit/fdg/zep

with roon/juneau/ykk

but that's like

forever away

before that very unlikely

ill still try her just for fun

cause she can chip vanguards with her cl gun

[sharp wing]

Man, FdG will takes AGES to get to anything decent dev lvl

And idk where we even get pr2

[elder crane]

Idk still on FdG in PvP
Hard to kill, nice main guns,
But her barrage on paper seems shite for PvP, wide spread and not very high base damage

[vague token]

depends on how many mgm shots go to backline

since every even shot

is +20% crit, +25 from biscuit, and then +50 damage and + 25 from shell

[coral wren]

I wanna invest in kms, but without fdg thereis no sense doing it rn

[vague token]

so you have 50% crit rate baseline

to do 225% damage crits

[coral wren]

Do you trust that one chinese who wrote that fdg+bisc is garbo?

[sharp wing]

Anyway, FdG for EN is as far, as space flights for ww2

[elder crane]

That's for PvE I think, the CN post

[coral wren]

Hmm... i still wanna believe devs will buff her, since they did so with hornet york and some other boats

[vague token]

lol

[elder crane]

Since it basically mostly says, "FdG wants flag for barrage more than Bis boosts"

[vague token]

i mean, given biscuit's current barrage

why even bother putting her mid

just use her as a super QE

[elder crane]

And FdG barrage in PvP

1. lol doesn't do much
2. who cares you're not flag

[sharp wing]

QE has ships to back her up tho

Bisquirt is useless goddess

[vague token]

biscuit just needs the awakening state as a skill

xD

shoot a black hole at enemy vanguard

seems fair

[elder crane]

That's z1 retro announced, leip retro to follow? (JP)

[vague token]

uh, dunno if that's the actual order but yeah

that was the tweet at least

[elder crane]

iirc the two are supposed to release together, no?

[vague token]

we need someone who reads moon runes

[lament lichen]

they both should be released together for hte retros

[sharp wing]

z1 and leipz should be in anniv, if it's 3rd wave already, then both

[elder crane]

inb4 Leip another ASW ship

[coral wren]

imagine leip hitting t0 as vang ship 😄

[sharp wing]

If it's 2nd wave, Leip might come in 3rd

Well, Leip needed retro badly, cause her low stats made her bad, even tho her universal command

[vague token]

im just trying to think who even has utility on kms destroyers

i think one has flag defense?

[sharp wing]

DDs only?

[vague token]

for z1

oh yeah z25 has flag defense

[elder crane]

Basically that's it, no?

[vague token]

the rest are all full aggro

MORE FIREPOWER basically

or ap damage boost

___>

[elder crane]

Half have the useless AP damage boost

[coral wren]

Which is hard countered by aurora?

[sharp wing]

actually z1 and z46 combo has very decent rorps

[vague token]

you dont need aurora to murder them

they're still glassy except z46

[coral wren]

Yeah, i guess. You may jsut shoot yourself in the boot and they will die anyway

[sharp wing]

z23 + z46 combo pretty tanky

[vague token]

who has REALLY high hp for a destroyer

[sharp wing]

z46 one of tankiest dds in game

that's basically core z vang

Z46 also barrageboat

[elder crane]

Not ykkz levels of tank y though

[sharp wing]

w/ homing torps in barrage

[vague token]

well 25% damage negation chance is the best tank skill in the game lol

[sharp wing]

Well, comparing something to Yukie... srsly

[vague token]

also 99 luck xD

[elder crane]

93+5 you mean

[vague token]

shh

[elder crane]

93+5+2 is possible ofc to get a nice 100

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

honestly KMS would be stronger if they COULD use subs in pvp

since biscuit buffs all of them

xD

[sharp wing]

keep that shit away

[vague token]

dont have to worry about squish when you underwater for part of the match ;)))

[sharp wing]

[modern tree]

Wolfpacks aren't even good tho

The only thing that matters for subs is "is it ssr"

[sharp wing]

Underwater and get deepcharged out of water

[elder crane]

For PvE it's only now good cause +1 ammo from 556

[modern tree]

Which is super sad but eh

[vague token]

xD

[modern tree]

They fixed ammo

556 is actually useless

[sharp wing]

they fixed it w/ update

[elder crane]

Oh, 🇫

[vague token]

rip

[sharp wing]

And that thing actually can kill her w/ + time above water

[elder crane]

+time there is pretty useless anyways

[sharp wing]

It's more like negative

[vague token]

+time would only be good in pvp to dodge more stuff ;)

[sharp wing]

Cause ss guns....

[elder crane]

What exactly do you expect a sub to accomplish surfaced
Surcouf excluded

[sharp wing]

I'm just waiting for submarine carrier tbh

[charred sable]

@modern tree The only thing that matters for subs is "is it ssr"
False.
The only thing that matters for subs is how lewd their artwork is

[modern tree]

Use seaplane with 1600 lb bomb

[vague token]

it'd be probably subs skip vanguards if there are no sonar gear on vanguard

so you torp directly on enemy main

u81 with crit enhance from biscuit

and her personal flood

should do a lot of damage like that

[elder crane]

So basically plop a sonar on yuki?

[sharp wing]

This escalated quickly

[vague token]

i mean, they're still invulnerable for dive time

trolling your planes

and stuff

xD

unless you run chaser for no reason

kek

[elder crane]

Planes don't even target submerged subs, no?

[vague token]

dunno

[sharp wing]

Chasers ones do

[elder crane]

And all asw ships have base charges mounted

[vague token]

chaser planes are ASW planes

her barrage is ASW specific

[sharp wing]

cls and dds have base

[vague token]

oh i didnt know there were base depth charges

not that base gear does any damage

lol

[sharp wing]

they are as bad, as default guns

[vague token]

unless you're york

xD

[sharp wing]

So you just need 1 sonar on vg to actually damage subs

[elder crane]

Ehh, base ASW might be enough to wreck the pretty weak subs
Not sure of the math on that

[vague token]

with pvp reduction? xD

[elder crane]

They're enough for 3DD teams to kill 10-5 boss with just +6 blue sonar

[sharp wing]

I use +10 t3 advanced deep charges for that anyway

[modern tree]

Base depth charge is like 28 damage while maxed blue one is like 90

[elder crane]

SSs would need a large dred modifier for PvP probably

[vague token]

if it's like 28, good luck doing 28 to 1000 lol

[vague token]

ooh shiny

[sharp wing]

That shit wrecks even 10-5

[elder crane]

X3 that base at least on DDs

For just the ASW stat modifier

[sharp wing]

on z1 i use gold sonar + charges

my z vanguard basically sos boss fleet

[modern tree]

10-5 boss can be done with 1-1 fleet, item that wrecks it is not much of an accomplishment

[sharp wing]

well, if u say

[elder crane]

Idk about 1:1 10-5 autoboss without top ASW equips

[sharp wing]

lmao

[modern tree]

Auto probably not, but I generally manual shit that takes less than 30 seconds, if it saves me oil

[sharp wing]

Let's not exaggerate needlessly

[vague token]

lol

[sharp wing]

I generally NOT manual anything, even if it would save oil

[elder crane]

Even manual, idk on that, 30s without good ASW gear?

[sharp wing]

and 1:1 w/ DD vang

[modern tree]

Look, if I didn't clear my sos yesterday, I would record my vampire and chaser just killing the boss

[sharp wing]

well, take yr yukie

Also boss nodes are usually easier, than mob ones tbh

[vague token]

o.o

[sharp wing]

on SoS

[elder crane]

Within 30s without good ASW gear, without luck on chaser launch?

[sharp wing]

I mean, in 30 secs yr chaser might be as well on bottom

from all suicides and stuff

[elder crane]

Though tbf manualing ASW has a pretty large effect

[vague token]

i was gonna be like o.O, but then i remembered none of my asw is 110 lol

xD

[sharp wing]

mine either

[elder crane]

Eh, no 110 Juneau?

[sharp wing]

My z vg barely made it past 100

lvling Sandie in mob fleet

[elder crane]

Juneau/Sandy are basically DDs for ASW

[modern tree]

Not having a 110, 200 aff Vampire smh

[sharp wing]

her asw is pretty top

[vague token]

id rather not swap her gear around lol

[sharp wing]

Imagine having Vampire xD

[modern tree]

Asw boats don't need gear if they're only killing boss

[elder crane]

Plus pretty much every DD has near-equal ASW

[sharp wing]

Nah

[modern tree]

Just give them one sonar and some bombs

[sharp wing]

Their asw differ A LOT

[vague token]

so wait, base depth charges even at 28 damage is enough for boss lol?

is boss hp that low?

xD

[modern tree]

Also, can just use Koln reto cuz heli is really good ; )

[elder crane]

Idk about that
150 vs 200 ASW is only 1/6 damage less

And the DD spread on ASW iirc is less than that

[sharp wing]

Well, if you at that like this, but 50 stats diff is big thing

[elder crane]

1/7 or less once you add in equipment +ASW

[sharp wing]

DDs spread 226-165

[elder crane]

Laffey the only real different one with her reload buff pumping out those charges

[sharp wing]

Zs also have reload buff

[elder crane]

Huh, that's a larger spread than I remember

It's only the +200% that makes a significant difference there

[vague token]

eldridge toppest asw xD

[sharp wing]

At that point, can sue any cl and dd

[elder crane]

I don't remember any useful DD being below like 190

[sharp wing]

I just like to do socialized fleets

My mob fleet actually uses common royal retroes

[vague token]

i mean it's a bunch of useless ijn destroyers and like

a few hms ones at 170

like amazon is 176

(at 120)

[elder crane]

I BB/Vestal/Phoenix (ASW) 10-5 mobs

Probably BB/Phoenix/Mahan works

Mmm actually maybe not

[sharp wing]

I'm too lazy to swap out Phoe equips

[elder crane]

Scratch that I'm being high

Just level another Phoenix

[sharp wing]

I'm lvling Sandie there

She has one of highest CL asw

[elder crane]

Kinda wasted on a mob fleet ship

Any CL with the purple charges 2-shots mob subs, which is good enough

[sharp wing]

have to lvl her anyway

Well, mob subs not even a problem

They can ram main fleet all they want tbh

[vague token]

xD

[sharp wing]

[elder crane]

Ehh, my single BB has enough trouble with the BB elites

[sharp wing]

The flagship burns matter more

lol

[elder crane]

130%(AR heals) pretty much anyone is already redlining the end

Even avoiding 3* BB

The subs tip the scales there I find, requiring some additional support for the flag

Unless you reset the map until no 3* spawn at all

[sharp wing]

hmmm

idk

Also i setup mob sos fleet for pr farm anyway, so i basically never run 1:1

[elder crane]

Ah, that would be why probably

Cause 1:1+AR output is pretty low

[sharp wing]

and also to lvl some lower lvl stuff, u don't use inr egular missions

Like those common royal DD retroes

It's actually fun experience

[elder crane]

Tbh with 1:1+AR idk if it's worth running the AR

I used to do 1:2+AR and it was worth it there, I think

Hmm, might try something different

[sharp wing]

Well, if u want to lvl AR...

otherwise nah

[elder crane]

Yeah, tbf my ARs need xp and they're not getting that anywhere else really
Unless I just dorm them to 110
How much does leveling them even matter anyways

[vague token]

leveling akashi matters

vestal doesnt probably

more aa

xD

[sharp wing]

Vestal>Akashi tbh

[elder crane]

So much harder to find a use for Akashi on EN

[sharp wing]

pretty much

[elder crane]

Fleets are too small

[vague token]

akashi is for 12 and 13

so

[sharp wing]

Also i use healer cvls usually

[vague token]

not yet

xD

[sharp wing]

Arizona > AR even atm lol

I actually had fun w/ her and 381 gun

[elder crane]

For the vanguard healing, ARs are bottom-tier mostly among the healers

[sharp wing]

Ar only really for main healing

[elder crane]

And the AA

[vague token]

yeah arizona is an issue with planes

[sharp wing]

But then again, just take second ship to swap as Flag

[vague token]

1 aa gun and no aa stat

compared to akashi 4 aa guns

and some aa stat

xD

[sharp wing]

All USS BBs that are not SR are issue w/ planes, lol

[elder crane]

Vestal is the only one who can claim otherwise really, on the healing

But requires some niche setups

[sharp wing]

But we don't really care about AA yet

[elder crane]

2nd flaggable ship is more oil though

[sharp wing]

But faster clears too

TBH i don't really clear for +/- 200-300 oil, since i dun grind much

[elder crane]

Ehh, by a bit
Less of a bit if the ammo matters

[sharp wing]

not really

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

2 flagships vs 1 flag + ar is big damage diff

[elder crane]

I farm AL in background usually, so tbh I don't care about match time

[sharp wing]

that is if 2:1

Well, tbh me too

Not about oil, not about time xD

[elder crane]

I check back every 5 mins or so anyways

[vague token]

same

[elder crane]

Oil still starts being an issue sometimes since I can do that for literally half a day often though

[sharp wing]

Well

I don't check back every 5 mins for half a day

And even then, hard to get much down on oil

[elder crane]

So yeah, unveiled another personal bias I suppose

[sharp wing]

xD

[vague token]

busted

we gottem

jk

[elder crane]

Well, it spares you enough oil for the occasional 10H

[sharp wing]

well, 10 hrs....

[elder crane]

10H comm I mean

[sharp wing]

oh

Well, it end to one a day

Before PR grind i spammed em non stop

Cause i didn't even need oil

[vague token]

usually i have to stop when farming events

but then i get the important shop stuff and slow down

so then i float more oil for comm which helps LB

xD

the looop

[elder crane]

I spam them nonstop right now cause 556 is trolling me
200 pulls or so and she evades me

[vague token]

oooof

[sharp wing]

My Bisquirt was avoiding me for 180 cubes

That's like worst luck in event i had so far

[elder crane]

PR should mean you need the 10H coins more though, no?

[sharp wing]

I usually just get done w/ dailies

[vague token]

im skimping

xD

[elder crane]

The good projects almost all drain coin

[vague token]

going for free ones

[sharp wing]

Well, i dun do much coin comms

same

[vague token]

got lucky with my staag lol

[sharp wing]

free projects ftw xD

[elder crane]

rush PR ships
Skimp on projects

[sharp wing]

why rush, i dun rush em

i'm only on second

[vague token]

i mean saint louis is 105 it's fiiiine

i have time

dev 24 is fine

[sharp wing]

my is dev 10

[elder crane]

Where'd your oil go then

[sharp wing]

dun convert any bps yet

[vague token]

i started trying to clear out some secretary quests, 100 affection fun times

[sharp wing]

Well, i run 3:1 for Monarch grind, so some oil

[elder crane]

I'm on KGV as my last one

[sharp wing]

Also get to lvling those HMS finally

[vague token]

im 100% passive unlocking monarch

[elder crane]

3:1 for PR I'd call a rush
1:1 is fast enough already otherwise

[sharp wing]

Cause my spite and hood still 100 lol

[vague token]

just tossing warspite in the 10 hour comm xD

and other hms bbs

[sharp wing]

well, over 100 now

[elder crane]

I 100% passived Monarch and now Louis

[vague token]

cause i dont have them at 100

[elder crane]

Only one I'll active at all is Roon basically

[sharp wing]

I mean, i do 3:1, but i do like.... 3 d3 clears a day? + SP

Is that a rush?

And some sos once 2 days

[vague token]

oh i was doing 2:2 in d3 cause i was leveling biscuit and saint louis at the same time

[elder crane]

For a fixed amount of play, 3:1 is rushig

[vague token]

that's where my oil went

[elder crane]

It's all relative

[sharp wing]

I mean, i need to lvl em anyway

[elder crane]

I mean some people literally play enough to 1:1 passive "rush" the PR ships

[vague token]

xD

[sharp wing]

Well, i know those guys xd

But they are already at 4th pr

[elder crane]

I'd actually call that not rushing in that case

Since they really didn't change playstyle

[sharp wing]

Well, they use lb0 ships for pr now

as extra for their 1:1

so they run same 1:1, but in 1:3 deviations xd

[elder crane]

some don't even need to really given what I see, of how much they play

[vague token]

xD

[sharp wing]

When ppl oath new ships 1st day...

I mean, yr phone game is yr main full time game, boi

and you even play at work xd

[elder crane]

1-1 aff rush can be done in a few H tbf

[sharp wing]

Well, it's not just aff rush, but in general

When u look at ppl w/ 40-50 k attacks

That's some nolyfe there, lol

[elder crane]

True on that
Isn't the highest commanderlv on EN in the 120s right now?

[sharp wing]

i mean, not sleeping for PVP also kind of... deviation xd

Well, sandy has 115 ppl

Also, many ppl w/ 40k+ attacks aren't high lvl, cause they do those aff grinds on low lvl maps

like you can see early 90s

[hot creek]

whats considered "high level"

[sharp wing]

100+ at least

For older servers id say 110+

Since playerbase there pretty more competitive

in all ways

[odd schooner]

High lvl

Maybe 8k+ aux plates

[sharp wing]

That's what i say, lvls doesn't trully reflect

[odd schooner]

I don't look at commander lvl anymore ever since that hacking incident

[sharp wing]

time investment

[odd schooner]

Also that one time i saw a lvl 81 with 110 fleet

[sharp wing]

Well, hacking happens all the time

[odd schooner]

On like 2nd-3rd week of cap up?

[sharp wing]

It's just that they only ban ppl on event leaderboards

Well, we had exp accumulation prior to 110 update

So it was pretty possible

[odd schooner]

That time only a few had 2-3 110

Dude has all 6

[sharp wing]

well

As i say, cheating happens all the time

[vagrant veldt]

I see level 85s on CN with 115 fleets tackling ch13 already

[odd schooner]

Ye

[vagrant veldt]

it's do-able

[odd schooner]

The possibility is there

[sharp wing]

CN has lb0 lvl 100 tho too, so progression bit differ

But not to that extend

[shy hazel]

i rush all ships first

dev comes later

[coral wren]

Ahem. Can anyone post some pics with their monarch barrage hits on amagi?

[ionic magnet]

she deals around 20-60% hp

very random just like hood

but most of the time its about 30-40%

[coral wren]

Allright then, ty. Then if it exceeds it just hood landed some lucky shots on top of it...

[sharp wing]

Have you got any progress on yr Mona issues?

[coral wren]

No, it's still 60% max. So is for hooloo and a few other ppl as well, so i guess there is nothing you can do about it. I guess in daxxam vid it just some other staff landed on amagi besides mon's barrage

[ionic magnet]

if you look closely at that vid, hood actually targetted amagi twice

so thats 4 shots total

landed at the same time with monarch barrage

[coral wren]

Those were some lucky af shots tho

[ionic magnet]

monarch targetted amagi with her shells too

so thats a lot

[coral wren]

Should i change anything?

[ionic magnet]

you're fine

[lean phoenix]

i would personally run a faster fighter to have an edge over mirrors

[coral wren]

Like which one?

[lean phoenix]

zero/me155

but thats just me

ntohing wrong with any SSR fighter

[blazing scroll]

Foxes mirror shouldn't be a problem with atk buff

[modern tree]

Just realized how much playing foxes must suck considering most of your opponents are mirrors or Namagi Hiryuu fleets

Also, don't run shitty fighter to make faster launches

[coral wren]

Is namagi hiryuu actually good?

[modern tree]

Junkers is like the only acceptable way to launch fast unless you really are losing mirrors most of the time

[coral wren]

I thought its not good enough without hiryuukai

[ionic magnet]

namagi hiryuu is best comp rn

[blazing scroll]

It's still good

Even without the retro

[coral wren]

Well i dont have amagi anyway

[modern tree]

Retro doesn't make hiryuu, her skill does

Getting some hp and 20 avi wont really break what's broken

[coral wren]

Yeah but retro means better stats

[blazing scroll]

Although retro gives an extra skill

[ionic magnet]

she has good enough stats to make that comp op

[modern tree]

Her extra skill is just aa fodder

It's really just all about being invulnerable for 15 seconds

[blazing scroll]

That's true

[coral wren]

Is that comp good in cn too or there are better options?

[modern tree]

It's this or Warspite kai

[coral wren]

Warspite kai in place of who

Nagato?

[ionic magnet]

its more like warspite kai + any

[modern tree]

Warspite kai played at all, she's good enough to carry about any backline

[coral wren]

Is she that good? I have one ready

Should retro her when the time comes

[modern tree]

Yes she is that good

[ionic magnet]

we dont have her retro yet tho

[coral wren]

It won't be anytime soon

Ye ik

[ionic magnet]

prolly will take a few months more

[coral wren]

My bet is december

I just didnt have hood so i used her instead

For pr grind

[modern tree]

Making a fight 5v6 within 10 seconds is really THAT good

[coral wren]

Is she any good in pve?

[ionic magnet]

she has high fp atleast but theres better options for pve

[coral wren]

Ok thanks

Will we have warkai by tye time w12/13 comes?

Who knows, but the fact is there is 1 year delay from jp/cn

[vagrant veldt]

should worry more about sandy

[wicked rivet]

I cant wait for WSkai just to snipe hiryuu early if this meta keeps up

[coral wren]

Eeh, i don't think you are supposed to snipe hiryuu with her

[vagrant veldt]

sniping hiryuu is risky

wouldn't matter when you get Azuma

changing PVP again like when Amagi was added

[wicked rivet]

Pretty sure we wont be gettiing azuma until long after wskai

[coral wren]

This is what offensive fleet wants, to have your hiryuu tank ws kai

while ws is sniping other boats

[wicked rivet]

And even then, getting her to anywhere near pvp usable will take even longer

[vagrant veldt]

D5 with her own gun is enough to destroy non Azuma namagi

[wicked rivet]

Who?

[vagrant veldt]

Azuma

[wicked rivet]

Oh

[vagrant veldt]

basically 4 backline 2 vanguard vs 3 backline 3 vanguard

shells your backline every every so often

[wicked rivet]

Of course its powerful

But azuma is still a year away probly

Wskai is reasonable to get in the nearish future

Before the end of the year at least

[vagrant veldt]

should be reasonably fast

contents were slowed down for EN to catch up before

had long period of reruns

[coral wren]

is nagato bakaga amagi any good?

like, can it compare to hyuuga kai?

and on offense, what's better, foxes, hyuuga, or hiryuu?

[raw osprey]

Nagato/Hiryuu/Amagi >>>>

[coral wren]

and what aux on hiryuu?

[ionic magnet]

check pins for tierlist

[coral wren]

2 catas or cata/oil

[ionic magnet]

1 cata 1 tank

[coral wren]

also, which vanguard uses badge?

[trim horizon]

Backline badge> Vanguard badge since it gives a boost to the eHP and so you can run boiler+buldge/boiler or whatever on your VG

[steep fog]

I got my 1st rudder

who do I put it on

[red nexus]

Roon

[trim horizon]

rudder/badge nagato

Nagato losing a bit of daamge is not a big deal I think

[sharp wing]

Nagato and Hiryuu - 1 rudder and 1 badge

[steep fog]

hmm

sounds legit

[red nexus]

I'd put a sg radar on everything

And then distribute rudders and badge onto different botes

[sharp wing]

And how is that different from what we say

[red nexus]

You said but rudder and badge on the same bote

[sharp wing]

Can you actually read?

2 ships 1 gear on each

[red nexus]

Of course i don't read

[sharp wing]

Yeah, that was obvious

[red nexus]

i mean i wasn't talking to you, anyways

[elder crane]

rudder/badge Nagato is somewhat legit, since flag often takes a lot of heat
probably still questionable overall

vs SG/rudder you gain somewhere around 9% eHP in exchange for slightly over 15% on your damage output

slightly over 10% eHP vs SG/badge, as well as the rudder skill

[sharp wing]

I actually thought they meant rudder/badge as rudder OR badge, not as rudder+badge

[lean phoenix]

On my Nakaga, I have HPFCR and SGR on Nag

[sharp wing]

i'd use HSFCR + badge/rudder

[wicked rivet]

so would it be better to use RWG on amagi and badge on nagato?

or the other way around

or would it even make a big difference

[sharp wing]

I'd say that also depends on what you are facing

And what you think yr def fleet will face most of time, if that even matters to you

VS foxes flag will be main damage absorber

[wicked rivet]

foxes have been ez to beat for months

the challenge now is hiryuu

[sharp wing]

Then that's ez out of the way

[wicked rivet]

and tbh amagi is the hiryuu sniper

so it would probly be better to have the RWG on her

[sharp wing]

Then again, since you put Amagi against Hiryuu

What point in putting def equip on her

[wicked rivet]

also with the badge on nagato

she's at 4555 power

its decided then

[sharp wing]

Nagato potentially will eat barrages from other nagato, which are strongest in middle area

[wicked rivet]

ye exactly

[sharp wing]

So that should answer

[wicked rivet]

and nagato has the HSFCR

while amagi/DoY have gold SG

so she could use the evasion

[sharp wing]

well, as i said HSFCR + rudder/badge

second rudder/badge on Hiryuu if you fancy

Then, from maintaining beaver buff, probably Hiryuu better badge holder, since she usually last one to die

Or she actually dies faster if placed vs sniper?

feedback from ryuu users needed

[elder crane]

Hiryuu still often lasts to end, even tanking amagi, her counterstrike quite often wipes fleets unless you're losing
also what's this about the RWG, that's just a shitty SG radar

usual strat for me is badge/tank on hiryuu, will probably move to rudder/tank eventually once I get rudders
I'll try badge rudder on Nagato, but might still keep badge/SG instead
Amagi will remain HFCR/SG probably

[wicked rivet]

Rwg is a discount sg yes

[sharp wing]

Discount, but not in plates

[wicked rivet]

better than a purple

[sharp wing]

Even casual, like myself, has 6 SGs, but i guess RNG can be cruel

[modern tree]

Just do research and acquire all gold gear in excess while getting mad no pr bps drop

[wicked rivet]

6 SGs

howmst

[modern tree]

I have 7 maxed

[wicked rivet]

I have 3

[modern tree]

Play the game

[wicked rivet]

I play more than you

[modern tree]

I don't really want to argue with something so easy to measure

[wicked rivet]

true

lets compare docc size

[modern tree]

Flex channel

[hot creek]

best girl

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/528197562998718474/539466377849864192/Super_Fast_Yes.gif

[modern tree]

I member when I was keeping up in attacks with Phoeneetf, but then I got a job I care about

[wicked rivet]

nice

im 10 levels behind

[hot creek]

what a coincidence. I too have 7 maxed SGs

could use one more though. just one more.

time to open up some these boxes

got a gold BTD

[hidden wyvern]

https://i.imgur.com/vO8Yzlx.png

[sharp wing]

It so happens, i'm 93 too

I thought my map was bugged, but...

It so happens too...

[wicked rivet]

can I have some box rng luck

I havent gotten a gold in

years

[finite valve]

go buy black box in core shop lel

[wicked rivet]

and wast 500 that could be used on an oxy or shell? (whenever tf they decide to put something useful in there)

[finite valve]

oxy is optional not a must unless you are torp autism or use sub
also 1 month of farming is more than enough to get both black and white shell same with oxy torp

[blazing scroll]

I've bought an eagle and iron blood t5 box from core shop

Got a quad mag from it

[finite valve]

luckily i got 7 z46 from chess so all i do in that event was farming d1 for quad mag

[wicked rivet]

if I buy a box 100% chance imma get a gold crane

[sharp wing]

Oh boi, main fleet PRs need 30k gold...

[wicked rivet]

yup

[raw osprey]

thats 2-3 days

[sharp wing]

Yeah, but also need mlb ships for event

Might do some 1200 comm here and there

Bisquirt hunt took all coins and cubes

[trim horizon]

Almost forgot

That was close

[shell heron]

that race to finish your matches before next reset sure is a rush of adrenaline

[trim horizon]

Yeah, that would've been my third ticket lost If I didn't notice it

[vague token]

o.o

i lost a 2nd match to time cause kept on getting big sevened xD

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

im not using hiryuu so being -2 big seven is high probability of lose

-3 is guaranteed

[sharp wing]

those comps are so rng dependent....

[vague token]

especially if they're doing torp

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

sara needs extra long fights

in order to do big damage

those burn/flood ticks add up against true stall

[sharp wing]

Sara needs 120 fights

[modern tree]

Sara needs to stay in pve

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

ill swap when hiryuu kai comes out

i promise

[sharp wing]

Those elitists...

[vague token]

xD

[sharp wing]

[modern tree]

what elitists, I play HMS

but pretending that if the fight goes on longer, converging torps that have 70% chance to even appear are gonna do something is silly

[vague token]

uh, because they are?

it only takes 1 to get full effect

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

and then you're burning and flooding for 15 seconds

[sharp wing]

Anything works on offense, right

[vague token]

the more compressed the match

the less dots do

[modern tree]

I played Sara, they never did anything. She either kills the frontline and then the backline, or fails to kill the frontline and nothing else happens

[sharp wing]

TBh i enjoy RNGer matches

they are fun

[vague token]

ive never had sara kill the frontline with pure bomb damage

because cls dodge dive bombs pretty easily

a lot of people still sleeping on boiler

[modern tree]

and then she sinks, yes

[vague token]

with their belfast/ykk/juneau

so it's easy to clip even just 1 torp bomb

and set someone on fire forever

then you just chill and wait

[sharp wing]

That's... SAVAGE

You burn poor little girls alive

Juneau will haunt you in nightmares

[vague token]

id rather use essex because flood is unreduceable

but she isnt out yet

xD

and cuda torps are better

for spreading debuffs

downside is essex is squishier

by like 500 hp

[finite valve]

going taihou essex + random for full waifu fleet

[vague token]

cause sara retro adds a lot of hp for some reason

and her base is pretty high for a carrier

but yeah, essex with 818 should be a superior dot user when she comes out

and ill swap then

xD

[sharp wing]

Essex is really savage tho xD

[vague token]

she has 3 times the flood ratio compared to sara, .6 vs .2

no burning but ykk is running extinguisher so im fine with that

[sharp wing]

Flooding girls more humane...

[vague token]

90 luck also nice compared to sara 66 luck

[sharp wing]

aircraft has set luck tho

i mean planes

[vague token]

i mean for personal bulk mostly xD

[sharp wing]

oh well

Imagine Ryuu 90 luck

[vague token]

wish we had a flood source for guns

aka AP rounds

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

___>

[sharp wing]

Well, Ap BB can 'reduce armor'...

more holes = less armor

[vague token]

that only works on Heavy armor

it's not a general ability

[modern tree]

my tirp gun is doing relly well this event

[vague token]

yeah? xD

[modern tree]

Ye, I am running doy with it, its really good

[vague token]

gotcha

[red nexus]

Break armmor - rip clothes? Lewd!

[sharp wing]

KC reference much

[vague token]

hopefully they'll give us a twin gun with the same base damage as amagi's barrage

[sharp wing]

Pfff

[vague token]

why is it so hiiiigh

[sharp wing]

You are drunk, go home

[wicked rivet]

why I am I so high

[vague token]

why is it higher than the twin 457

[sharp wing]

cause reasons

Also there will be 460

[vague token]

i mean 460 wouldnt be that much higher than 457

[sharp wing]

Someday...

[vague token]

in base damage

[wicked rivet]

but 420 is highest

[sharp wing]

Well, who knows

[wicked rivet]

the real question is why tf did the dude on my list get to rank 98 instead o using one more exercise to give me +1

[vague token]

lol

because he ran out ;)

[sharp wing]

lmao

[wicked rivet]

📣 ANGELOOOOO

[sharp wing]

He want you to suffer

[wicked rivet]

📣 USE UR HECKING EXERCISE

[sharp wing]

MUCH

[wicked rivet]

[vague token]

if you ever get me just let me know and ill push ;)

im already down 2 so who caaaares

[wicked rivet]

whats ur ign

kiroshima?

[vague token]

Kiroshima1

[wicked rivet]

will do

[sharp wing]

Target acquired

[wicked rivet]

@leaden root uise one more exercise pls I beg u

WAIT

FUCK

[vague token]

i pushed for stella, but then the doc said stella must sleep so rip

[wicked rivet]

THATS A PERSON

[vague token]

busted

[sharp wing]

lmao

[wicked rivet]

WHY DID IT NOT SHOW WHEN I TYPED

cause theyre not in here

nvm

we safe

[vague token]

xD

[sharp wing]

Not in club

[finite valve]

gl trying to get him to push while playing OW

[wicked rivet]

lmfao true

ri p me

only gonna get +2 this reset

[sharp wing]

Is this shit worth the trouble?

[wicked rivet]

YES

ITS GEWD

[modern tree]

yep

its pretty much the best one

[vague token]

yes

[sharp wing]

Ok then... Ch11 i go

[wicked rivet]

Research Tier Lists
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/525411774086774785/578285409327513600/9vK7J1Y_d.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/525411774086774785/578285409327513601/8iuIDwC_d.jpg

[sharp wing]

Like i had no better things to do

[wicked rivet]

just run it 3 times and farm a bote youre missing

or PR xp

ez

[sharp wing]

lazy

[wicked rivet]

just auto

I auto everything

[sharp wing]

lazy

[wicked rivet]

except boss

[sharp wing]

Like i ever do anything besides auto

Chinawall autoes boss fine

[vague token]

i auto bosses too once map is on safe

manual for first few runs is ok

[sharp wing]

[wicked rivet]

same

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

havent had to in a while though

also ugh getting u556 to 100 affection >_>

it's a good thing subs arent in pvp since daxam would murder all of us

;)

[modern tree]

I totally would

[vague token]

they're all 110 now for you right?

cause i remember they were like 106 or w/e a month ago

[modern tree]

I have a full fleet at 110 and the new ones are heading into 100

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

[wicked rivet]

O boi

[modern tree]

dont even need subs in pvp, just let me take 20% of your health because my sub fleet power

that would be the real end game for fox fleets

[finite valve]

not many good sub atm and all the sub i have are either bad or just not enough of to make a full fleet

not to mention i did not touch special build lel

[modern tree]

en has i19 and u81, we are missing only u47 out of the best subs, but anything SSR is good enough

[finite valve]

well since i did not touch special for 1 month so not like i can farm zzz

missing the last monitor from heavy

that bitch won't drop

[wicked rivet]

What monitor?

U missing terror or erebus?

[lament lichen]

When you only get confetti gun bps from reseach

[wicked rivet]

Erebus is waifu material

[lament lichen]

Im about to make my 2nd one

[finite valve]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Abercrombie

[lament lichen]

45 bps since the start..

[finite valve]

implying i am missing any drop boat

[modern tree]

just use wishing we.. OH WAIT

[finite valve]

yeh wishing well

[vague token]

lol

[finite valve]

good joke

also seeing that there are almost 0 #trophy-room post of her i would say it going to take me at least 1 month or more of daily build

sigh

[hot creek]

oh wow. completly slept through my alarms that were supposed to go off two hours ago. that might be a first...