#pvp
trim horizon
wicked rivet
Why would u use meta defenses this early smh
vague token
jk i use saratoga
wicked rivet
And i use dork
vague token
i used dork until nagato showed up
wicked rivet
Abuse me dady
vague token
dork just doesnt put enough pressure nowadays =(
vague token
if only she had biscuit's crit skill
instead of 50% on first shot of the entire game
wicked rivet
That would be so nice
wicked rivet
O well
She has enough hit to usually not get evaded
As long as they're not speedy botes
vague token
xD
sharp wing
Who would guess
wicked rivet
He's been playing forever tho
Musk probly didnt start until like, last winter or spring
vague token
ah
wicked rivet
Same sagi, and im 92
Halfway to 93
I took some good breaks and only did comms/dailies for a while tho so i could probably be higher
sharp wing
I only cleared ch 10 and 11 like few weeks ago
wicked rivet
Havent evem done 11-4 yet
Ive been doing ch11 as I get comms for it
Somehow got sendai
wicked rivet
Thats one way to do it 
sharp wing
got Sendai and Lulu while 3* too
vague token
oof
wicked rivet
I have 
wicked rivet
That too
sharp wing
nah
vague token
cause like the akagi chan
wicked rivet
What are Lena's skills?
vague token
works with kaga
sharp wing
wait what
wicked rivet
Yes
vague token
so it follows
wicked rivet
Little versions are the same as the big versions
sharp wing
Oh, i read SKIN, lmao
vague token
if a vanguard goes under 20%, reduce damage they take by 15%
if it's helena, heal her
for 8%
vague token
it's part of the skill that also
sharp wing
Thats Retro skill tho
wicked rivet
And would take like 30 seconds of testing
vague token
70% chance for fp/torp/reload
wicked rivet
Oh
sharp wing
We don't have retro yet?
sharp wing
(Retrofit) Battle of Kula Gulf Every 20 seconds, 40% (70%) chance to increase own Firepower, Torpedo, and Reload by 20% (40%) for 10 seconds. Once per battle, if an escort ship's Health falls below 20%, decrease the damage it takes by 5% (15%); If the ship is Helena, additionally heal 8% of Helena's max Health.
vague token
yeah
i mean it's not an amazing durability boost
it's the same number as ykk
but it triggers when you're already dead
xD
but still
sharp wing
I bet it will work w/ lena
wicked rivet
It probably will
vague token
unless they forgot about her xD
if only it came with a barrage
like all the starter skills
sharp wing
Boi, you are greedy
vague token
_>
sharp wing
She already has 3 skills
vague token
i mean, you can stack all the fp buffs in the world
is a destroyer going to shoot any ships down?
probably not
sharp wing
Well, her 1st skill is defensive
vague token
she has full firepower
i guess at least with 80% total firepower boost
she might be able to hurt things with the frenchy gun
vague token
jumps up to 237 fp lol
sharp wing
But dunno when we even get her retro
vague token
but still just a drop in the bucket against saint louis
cause damage boost is better than stats
they should just go normalize a bunch of the stat booster skills into damage skills >_>
sharp wing
Or change them from % to fixed stat boost
Cause like having Full FP on 80 FP DD is bs
sharp wing
her yes
vague token
but yeah xD
sharp wing
But there many dds with full fp
vague token
id rather it be damage though
vague token
vague token
isnt she the same as the other fletchers?
vague token
yeah she's the same as Fletcher as least
sharp wing
She has almost same eva, as common fletchers
vague token
she gets a tiny rarity stat bump for being purple
like her hp/fp/aa are like 5 higher than Fletcher
so that's about it
sharp wing
I gonna look at her retro nodes
sharp wing
yeah, her retro is weird
double fp and gun eff
and no eva/speed nodes
aa and hp
I always looked with a smile on those Chinese DDs, that try to be gun damage based and has decorative torps
oblique thistle
Vanguard fleet: What are these things coming towards me? Will they be my friend?
elder crane
hugs
vague token
more concerned when they run into big seven
sharp wing
Or yeet Amagi's welcoming hail
buoyant parrot
sweet
versed atlas
is Bismarck's barrage any good?
versed atlas
so it's as impotent as it looks?
lament lichen
Sometimes just misses
versed atlas
dangit, i was hoping for a barrage comparable to at least wash
i guess there goes my dreams of pve
versed atlas
cause ironblood ships are pretty sucky?
finite valve
just wait till FdG is a thing
hot creek
1 million years later
lament lichen
Yeah
lament lichen
Uh you need a specific amount of faction points to start
finite valve
?
lament lichen
Its just 6 ships for pr2
finite valve
what you means double the ship?
versed atlas
if it's faction then that means 6 ships instead of 3 that can get xp
finite valve
is the same 6 from PR 1
ionic magnet
pr2 bps are the real bottleneck tho
vague token
oh i guess the xp is the same, just bps xD
lament lichen
More for the rainbow ones but
finite valve
FdG and azuma need 3.6 mill tho
versed atlas
how much does Slava need?
lament lichen
Wat?
finite valve
i dk any ship name slava
versed atlas
PR ships are paper ships from WoWS
new Soviet BB that's being tested is Slava
thus!
vague token
lol a soviet bb in al, that'll never happen
versed atlas
Sanrui exists
versed atlas
well, I'm waiting for Iowa
vague token
did china even have blueprints for a carrier during wwii
versed atlas
QE for eagle union
finite valve
Iowa is just going to be a normal ship
vague token
vague token
what about pasta empire though
versed atlas
iowa gonna be QE for eagle union
and gonna make wash + sodak op
oh nonono, iowa backline is gonna be
iowa, missouri, new jersey
vague token
missouri would just get missiles as a skill xD
finite valve
unless iowa have a barrage or skill = that of WS kai
i ain't seeing her making WASD op
not to mention WS kai + monarch going to eat WASD alive
lunar veldt
Ap gore
versed atlas
iowa skill = reduce all incoming damage in a logarithmic way
so the more damage that's incoming the greater the reduction
vague token
lol
versed atlas
considering some old boat gets to be top tier
yes
iowas are gonna be op as hell
cause $$$
lunar veldt
I mean u already have amagi who nerfs dmg
finite valve
that's due to the kai treatmeant
you don't just make power creep that high and expect ppl not voicing their opinion
lunar veldt
And I don't think iwoa is gonna be as good as ws kai
versed atlas
hmm
finite valve
at a %
versed atlas
money vs opinion
lunar veldt
Whose fp is so high
versed atlas
i'll take the $$$
lament lichen
Thats not how al makes money
finite valve
his skill set is talking about the more dmg you take the more damage reduction you will take
which means it scale infinitely
ain't going to happen
versed atlas
what do you mean
that doesn't mean what i said at all
i said logarithmic way
so a 100 damage hit is reduced by a smaller percentage than a 1000 damage hit
is the point
so a ginormous nuke has a lot of trouble killing the ship whereas lots of small hits dont
lament lichen
Still scales
shy hazel
lament lichen
lil sandy first skill is after the first second in battle own fp/aa/asw increased by 10%, damage from aviation is reduced by 6% to the team
for 30 secs
second skill is some barrage that activates every 14 secs
star barrage
vague token
neat i guess?
lament lichen
helena first skill is
every 20 secs 60% chance to reduce shelling/ aa and aviation by 12% for 10 secs if im reading it correctly
vague token
ANOTHER DEBUFF
but why another stat one
like kizuna dd
=/
and why are they all 20 seconds
nothing happens at 20 anymore T_T
lament lichen
second skill is when antiair gun is fired, increase aa by 25% for 5 secs
when lil sandy? and clevelad are damaged
and hp is less than 40% , increase fp by 25 % for 15 secs. only works once a battle
vague token
well, at least i can run like
fiji/lena/kizuna dd
for full debuff
memes
set that to my defense for kicks
lament lichen
yeah probably class
vague token
oh they put them on wiki already
that was fast lol
still confused why they gave lena a 60% chance for a only slightly better debuff
than dd kizuna
and both are trash compared to amagi's debuff
which is always active from the start of battle lol
like it should be way stronger if it's active less
_>
ionic magnet
its fine they are still cute
vague token
kek
ionic magnet
vague token
all right ark royal sympathizer
we understand
honestly kizuna should be like
20% reduc
since you can buff the enemy
just make it whacky
stark raft
my 1st quint magtorp from scamboxes 
so they do exist
shy hazel
i wonder
at dev30 if this fleet
can match ijn meta
i just put it as def for memes but i just thought of it
though i think ykkz will still live longer than nep or roon
shy hazel
use steering wheel on louis
and louis will have speed boost as it goes anyways
assuming roon can tank dmg before she gets ganked
vague token
how much average speed do you get from that team xD
hmm, i wonder if im one of the saratoga users on this list:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AzureLane/comments/btlw09/en_late_may_2019_postvirtual_connection/
from that guy who does the fleet stats
where he looks all the people up
sharp obsidian
I wonder if this maint will have a risk of extension
If so, is it time to use the swords....
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sharp wing
stone grove
So this is what happens when Hornet gets lucky
(She chewed straight through what was left of the opposing vanguard, and then most of the backline)
ionic magnet
fellow triple cv user 
stone grove
Aye, I am
hot creek
i was getting rekt by Nagato Cranes earlier
not sure if its actually a good comp or was it because their nagato had 100% proc rate
vague token
elder crane
If you were running Namayuu, Nagato Cranes is actually a legit opposing comp with comparable versus power
Also very good vs most BB comps
It's nowhere near as good vs Akaga ofc
sharp wing
Does Hiryuu actually remind anyone else of nostalgic times of server early weeks pvp w/ Yorktowns in almost any comp
leaden sequoia
wasn't in AL back then, but wouldn't be surprised if those were Yorktown-class comps
modest elbow
Umu, enty vs enty
leaden sequoia
zombie retaliation + 8s double damage invul + Doolittle strike
elder crane
Yorktown, $&#$*$# lucker Entys, etc
modest elbow
Those were the times
sharp wing
Enty was my 1st build on server
vague token
that's why 410 was meta gun xD
sharp wing
And Yorktown was something like guaranteed unit or there was event or something
Tho i only remember of Prinz event for new players
vague token
i used arizona enty and sodak back in ye olde days
shell heron
There was also Saratoga the $1 ship.
sharp wing
Well, my Soda being on my team ever since those 1st weeks i got her
Sara is reward for 1st time spender
shell heron
Which is usually $1
elder crane
Cause of the $1 super high value starter pack
sharp wing
charred sable
Inb4 12hr maintenance
ionic magnet
my first lv 100 is yorktown for a reason
coral wren
What's about it?
ionic magnet
fringe plover
Is it bugged? 
sharp wing
It will change to next day shipclass like 1 hr before reset, preventing you from starting lecture in that period, cause you get error, due to actually setting wrong ships in that day
So i cannot start lectures right before maints
sharp wing
fringe plover
20 seconds
sharp wing
20 mins before maint
So i could only slot CVs
And getting error when trying to start as usual
elder crane
But yeah, that PDT/PST timechange bug still is present
sharp wing
So i cannot start any lectures 1 hr before reset
elder crane
They fixed a while ago but new UI brought it back
blazing scroll
Sounds to me like they discarded previous patches with the new UI
elder crane
Pretty sure a clock on some server machine is set wrong and the ALEN team can't (be bothered to) find which one it is
sharp wing
elder crane
The sometimes-present PvP reset bug is due to that server machine clock too, I'm pretty sure
vague token
๐ฅ
buoyant parrot
Damn pack is buggy
Purchased and nothing happened... Wasn't aiming for the skin... I need the 2019 gems to get me some rings and buy gold
coral wren
buy gold
But why
hot creek
I want KGV skin
I still have the $80 gem pack for x2
but I don't really wanna spend that much lol
buoyant parrot
@coral wren I buy gold all the time
buoyant parrot
I have to if I want to keep my Rank#5 Fleet power rank
coral wren
oh
shy hazel
oh u still competing in that
buoyant parrot
I can be #4 now anytime
Just staying lowkey until every event cools down
im currently#6 coz I scrapped 1k trash ships for gold
safe meteor
the heck? how many times today we need to download data?
buoyant parrot
ahh yeah... I have 2k Dock Space...
serene knot
using belfast + aurora + jintsuu with an amakaga backline (will switch to Nagato once i level her up)
i see people using Ayanami a lot... would she replace like aurora?
buoyant parrot
well not REALLY replace... its Torp Meme
serene knot
hmmm i see
nah, that makes sense... i like my formation a lot, honestly have no idea how could i make it better
i pretty much have all limited ships though
in place of belfast? i feel like belfast outweights juneau more often than not
coral wren
Will jean bart contribute to en meta in any way?
I remember ppl were discussing how you can delete some annoying shit like aya with preload salvo
buoyant parrot
well... technically a Salvo from Nagato + Amagi will kill Ayanami on 1st Salvo wave
coral wren
But i suspect bbs are still lacking some big numbers without white shells
buoyant parrot
I meant barrage skill
coral wren
I wonder if she can delete jin as well
buoyant parrot
btw are you guys having fun with Lil Sandy? she's kinda tough and somewhat has a bright future IMO....
coral wren
Looks like a good anti cv boat, but since foxes are falling behind i'm not so sure about bright future ๐
buoyant parrot
this clevekid is a headache...
I'm back to 2 Digit Coobs coz of this silly gacha...
wicked rivet
i got them both in less than 15 rolls
did a 3 roll and then started doing singles till I got both
sharp wing
I still need Biscuit///
finite valve
buoyant parrot
is that datamine?
buoyant parrot
OMG... Our guild is freaking ready then...
coral wren
based 4chan
pvp with guilds would be sick
Or not, if it just makes so winning games in pvp would bring your guild more points
coral wren
Well, i guess mods here are nazis for sure 
finite valve
also the fact that they somehow change clevelad gender to be a male
coral wren
I'm more curious of why they rarely discuss pvp
coral wren
I think the majority of /alg/ is on en
finite valve
buoyant parrot
to find it funny that they don't care at all the fact that the JP's are so edgy when it comes to competition/collection
buoyant parrot
I find it funny that they don't care at all the fact that the JP's are so edgy when it comes to competition/collection
finite valve
look like regular hiei to me
just cus they add static to an image does not mean they become a raid boss
might be guild or just regular raid boss
we did have 2 event with raid boss
might want to change guild if the reward is worth a damn lel
coral wren
It might suck for those who stay out of guild intentionally, depending on rewards you are getting
finite valve
isn't it the same with GBF anyway?
is just the nature of the beast really
no pain no gain
buoyant parrot
hence the reason I'm recruiting so our guild won't get infected by this leeches.
we want members cooperation not something we have to carry lol
finite valve
i only care if reward is worth the hassle of carrying lel
if not i just say whatever zzz
imagine if they put rank 1 reward as gem or ring
instant change guild
fuck plebs
buoyant parrot
well there's a time limit where you can change guild at most cases.
buoyant parrot
specially if that reward is season based. You won't get to take part of the reward if you left a guild while its in the middle of the season (on most games~)
finite valve
yeh most likely they going to gate reward if you left mid season
if early season i think i still can get away with it
buoyant parrot
besides I'm sure AL will prevent any sort of abusive behavior like that specially if the rewards are something of value
finite valve
dk for sure tho
since i never play GBF
yeh like maybe gate it to 2 or 3 days of early season
depend on how long a season is
buoyant parrot
and Edgy guild will definitely not accept guild hoppers... They are a detrimental value to its assets..
finite valve
that's depend on your HQ lvl tbh
i would say that anybody that 100+ going to have a soft pass
more if you are in ranking
buoyant parrot
that HQ lv is not a problem for established Guild from the start... I for one is confident we can carry our selves... We don't even have a single 1 day absent for the past 1 month and a half now
hidden wyvernBOT
finite valve
well yeh if you are hardcore enough to do guild sweeping everyday
well yeh if you are hardcore enough to do guild sweeping everyday
but yeh like i said might change if reward is worth it
buoyant parrot
oh and we are at 37/38 right now after Zack left
finite valve
atm i just say whatever zzz
buoyant parrot
tho we have SwitchPvP in our midst for some reason X___x
finite valve
guild boss i say
buoyant parrot
I wish it starts at raid first
finite valve
and we going to have guild facility
sound to me more like pve boss
dk 4chan annon who posted the image when dark
so dk
but i think they say it is from test server
finite valve
you need to fill an application for the spot
leaden sequoia
also this guild_*.lua stuff has been there for a long time already
finite valve
which already ended
leaden sequoia
but only now discovered by /alg/ enthusiasts?
leaden sequoia
hmm
finite valve
well i mean they do have this line of code with leak
i can't read moon rune tho
too many CN shit to make out
buoyant parrot
well they contributed to the growth of the guild... surely there's like some sort of Shop that can utilize Points
finite valve
anyway i am not going to be worried about guild stuff until shit hit the fan anyway
buoyant parrot
well That's how I see it from other games
lets see how things will come up, can't wait whatever it is... As long as its guild things that would kill the question "what does guild gives you"
finite valve
since when that happen ppl going to be recruiting a bunch of new active blood for boss anyway
feel like i am playing WoW from the good old day again
coral wren
4 sandbaggers again..
shy hazel
smells like
guild system from gbf copied
is it time to call sick from work
and clock 14 hours in a day
wait
i clocked 18 hours a day every gbf gw
coral wren
Maybe if there is a solid backlash things will change
shy hazel
well idont think al gw will be that much
coral wren
But i feel like a lot of ppl will drop the game
shy hazel
if they have a competitive gw system
and the reward is so good
you know
casuals will rage
people cant even grind a single pr1 ship
do u expect them to do a grindy gw
people cant even grind a single pr1 ship
sharp wing
Oh shiet, don't tell i will have to look for guild...
coral wren
Yeah, that would suck
leaden sequoia
client sources for all 4 CN/JP/KR/EN clients, publicly available here: https://github.com/Binary102/AzurLane_ClientSource
those 6 guild_*.lua files were here: https://github.com/Binary102/AzurLane_ClientSource/tree/master/Src/EN/sharecfg
as you can see, they are stale since creation of the repo, which dates 02 February 2019
lunar veldt
sharp wing
Yeah
leaden sequoia
tfw PR1 is not 3:3 ratio, so you can't full fleet meme with that 
leaden sequoia
there is also an older repo for CN/JP: https://github.com/kyoukaya/Azur-Lane-src, last updated August 2018
and from what I understand the guild stuff hasn't changed since then
shy hazel
its fun when people complain about translation now
i stopped caring about it
who cares about the story
sharp wing
shy hazel
its all about collection pvp and whatever anyways
whats the big difference between bel chan and little bel
one sounds chinese and one doesnt
leaden sequoia
at first I thought, "my god, lua, it's an interpreted language!"
shy hazel
leaden sequoia
then I thought, "but hey, at least that's not Javascript or Python"
sharp wing
lol
leaden sequoia
and Lua was actually made to be a fast interpreted language
sharp wing
You just reminded me of java browser rpgs....
shy hazel
sharp wing
shy hazel
do you play gbf
leaden sequoia
by going way too close to C at times, but eh
shy hazel
i wish the code language was similar to what gbf is
so the game can have a web version
leaden sequoia
o
I always thought it is obfuscation
and manually pieced the code back
well, that's a single formula
in a single line
just (reload_max / 6) / math.sqrt((reload_stat + 100) * 3.14)
which by pure coincidence is very close to reload_max / 150 when reload_stat = 100
that's actually what I managed to manually piece back from that "obfuscated" Lua code
and that's Python
buoyant parrot
lots of good skin right now but I don't have plan on using any of the ships in PvP that has good skins right now
leaden sequoia
git clone
buoyant parrot
I hope I get Helena's Skin for she's getting reto soooo maybe I'll use her in the future
leaden sequoia
these files are too big to read in github web interface with its font settings, I prefer to do that in vim
imo
I was awakened to that thanks to other person a few years ago
notepad++ also works
back when I was still using windows
I coded in that all day
sharp wing
Helena skin is real qt tho, much better, than kimono
elder crane
"autoBotIsAcitve"
Ahh, Engrish
heh, I'd laugh if that typo is what's causing the auto-battle tooltip to malfunction/what was originally causing the auto-battle toggle to malfunction
leaden sequoia
"destory" instead of "destroy" in multiple places
elder crane
"
return {
delete = "ๅ ้ค",
["read-mail"] = "้
่ฏป"
}
"
When your dev team can't read english
elder crane
On the end-of-battle command:
"
slot13 = slot16:getEndCost().gold
slot14 = slot16.getEndCost().oil
"
was it originally planned for sorties to also cost gold?
elder crane
I'm glad that was scrapped
maybe it's instead the amount of gold you get from sorties, placed under "getEndCost" for whatever reason
finite valve
or just that a fee depend on what kind of ship you bring into combat, forcing ppl to use lighter ship class instead of bringing full dreadnought team?
modern tree
If they went through the trouble of swapping all the assets for new ui, why didn't they take the game off of lua
Wouldn't that be a reasonable investment
finite valve
first rule of any business
never fix anything that's not broken
modern tree
I mean, you can re paint a rusty bike that you will need to keep fixing or get a car
finite valve
well yeh if you talking about individual basic
business eh not so much due to how they min max profit
modern tree
If maintaining old code becomes effort, then it's easier to replace it. They seem to be having a lot of troubles currently
Opportunity cost
finite valve
they going to squeezed the lemon dry before they start thinking about getting a new lemon
fact
well yeh i get where you going with that
but how many % of any business / company actually do think like that?
few in between
a perfect example of this would be bethesda
modern tree
I guess I am spoiled by my producers that just tell people to trash the whole thing if they contunously hack-fix it
finite valve
using the same fucking engine for like what 4 game?
modern tree
Just do it better
finite valve
well yeh like i said it is depend on the company
but that is far in between
majority just squeezed a lemon dry before getting a new one
shiny af lel
sharp wing
๐
finite valve
was talking about the new icon
that AA is shit anyway lel
when you want to main a hacker but your exp / lvl are not high enough
been there done that
leaden sequoia
if I understood the SUMMONING_SICKNESS_DURATION correctly
it's the delay between when the mob spawns and when the mob starts moving
since it's in the slot8.spawnMonster method
and yeah, that's accurate
1.5 secs window when I can punch the mob without repercussions
ah, magic slotX out of nowhere
I'd look at the top of the file
slot3 = ys.Battle.BattleConst
... I don't see it get indexed anywhere
ah
for arbitrary Lua table, accessing by non-existent key returns nil
aka to delete a key-value pair from a table, just set the value to nil
leaden sequoia
probably the result of optimizing for time by sacrificing space
and sanity of those who read that
raw osprey
leaden sequoia
Belchan instead of Uzuki
finite valve
no loli cleve or helena
leaden sequoia
finite valve
heresy
leaden sequoia
so about multiplication: it's likely hot code since there are a lot of damage calculations in a single battle
I assume that in Lua table access is faster than multiplication
and hmm
probably? (about Azuma)
also FdG
ah, you're about pvp specifically
I honestly don't think they optimize for 12 units case specifically
and reuse code for pve
vague token
why not use a formula to make a table once at the start
and then just look it up
xD
leaden sequoia
table creation itself takes time
modern tree
I mean, if something makes sense to you then toss it out of the window
leaden sequoia
you think I don't see it as ugly
but I have to assume there was some reason for that
and more likely than not, the reason for ugly code is to make it fast as fuck
now send that to AL devs
become AL dev
leaden sequoia
at this point, I'd think about metatables
for overriding operators
that stuff should be in...
framework/tolua/unityengine/vector3.lua
__index overriden
nah, I'm trying to understand what metatable shenanigans could have taken place
since my knowledge of Lua is minimal
charred sable
@elder crane as someone whose current project involves working with a development team in China, I can confirm that 1) Engrish spelling mistakes are everywhere in code, and 2) code quality is often not something they care about as long as it works ๐
My favorite so far has been getCatch() which took me a few minutes to figure out that they meant to write loadFromCache()
charred sable
Naw, sounds like some of it is either autogenerated or decompiled
blazing scroll
Gotta catch them all
leaden sequoia
anyway though
charred sable
No one nowadays manually writes out a multiplication table. That's like Quake-level old school optimization that probably is even slower on modern processors with it's dedicated arithmetic instructions
leaden sequoia
do we even need to know that metatable shit to find the vg distance?
charred sable
Azur Lane runs on rooted devices right?
leaden sequoia
there is slot8:SetPosition(slot3) below, so I assume that's it
charred sable
You can just memory dump and check the variables
Not that I've done it before, but I know vaguely of the process
Vector3 is a Unity data class btw, you might be looking at autogenerated glue code between the Lua scripts and the Unity runtime engine lol
leaden sequoia
yes, and I'm pretty sure the whole framework subdirectory is like that
but I just have no idea otherwise, if we're talking about static analysis
charred sable
for slotx, sloty in ipairs(pg.ship_level) sloty.arena_durability_ratio = 0.9 + 0.012 * sloty.level end
Pretty sure that this means something along the lines of "for every ship, set their PvP HP multiplier to 90% + 1.2% x ship level". Which checks out I believe since ships in PvP have about ~200% HP if I recall?
leaden sequoia
yeah, I've seen that formula before in this chat
that should be a built-in functionality in Android Studio
not sure about an arbitrary device
including Nox/Bluestacks
charred sable
There's tutorials in Android game hacking forums which I will not link to for obvious reasons lol
mellow knoll
is training up NaMaRyuu a good choice for PVP?
charred sable
mellow knoll
How about for Vanguard?
modern tree
even with ridiculous shit that we might have access to later down the line, this comp is rather unlikely to lose relevance entirely
charred sable
Oh shit, I can make the Touch Fluffy Tail team now in emojis
modern tree
we have a guide in pins that should give you some ideas
wicked rivet
cerulean stratus
Tierlist
modern tree
I guess it's a list and it has tiers. It's also extremly elaborate
cerulean stratus
Amagi...i dont have her 
sharp wing
F
modern tree
Sucks to be you
pvp is moderately unplayable without her atm
I am unsure if dev30 Monarch will even change that
sharp wing
doubt
modern tree
but that is like the only boat that has any channce to let you run a comp with no event ships
sharp wing
Having maxed PR isn't really alternative to event for more casual ppl too, at least in short term perspective
But by availability, sure
modern tree
It's not about being a good alternative, its about being the only alternative. The only real way you are gong to be forcing wins currently is if you also have amagi, or if you really enjoy reseting the fights 20 seconds in after your enterprise helena didnt proc together or something
sharp wing
they can use Nakaga too
modern tree
Yes, but that requires Nagato and is prone to getting soloed by Hiryuu because of how the comp works
sharp wing
even namaryuu takes lot rng not to reroll
cause Nagato decides not to barrage...
While you yeet 3 opponent barrages
modern tree
If you have to reset a lot in the mirror I recommend running Jintsuu Aurora Ykkz, no bamboozle
modern tree
ultimate HMS rn is Juneau Belfast Nep, QE Hood Monarch
sharp wing
There no really developed monarchs for a while
modern tree
nop
modern tree
It's a combination of being forced into a meme gun and having slow barrage that on top of being slow is not 100% reliable
I was optimistic but than I did math and without white shell, which might make the gun crit rate matter, it would take entire first barrage from the quad to hit something to even think of outdamaging 406
sharp wing
On offense you don't need much to win anyway, w/ 20% damage reduction (with few rerolls)
modern tree
so she might as well be a little overstated vanilla shelling boat
sharp wing
It also felt like 356 shells have much smaller aoe
modern tree
and if you compare her to Hood, which is super fat on defensive stats herself, and also packs a barrage that is gun based, respectable on its own, but also helps Monarch push her barrages faster
It just looks super bleak
I will try her because I will be damned if I dont try every possible HMS option before letting them gather dust in my dock
but I do not see how would KGV possibly be better in any way over just running super stable QE Monarch Hood
leaden sequoia
@balmy torrent you mean the 7th stat after RLD and before ACC? yeah, that one is unused and unknown
apparently all ships have it 0
that's new
lemme see
modern tree
wiki shows all stats with 6% bonus afaik
leaden sequoia
yup
otherwise he wouldn't be able to upload mined stuff to wiki in just a few minutes after the patch is ready
... me?
UABE, like what most people use
I tried once with UnityPack on Python but it didn't support some image formats, so I didn't continue to pursue that
leaden sequoia
barrages are easy
barrage_template.lua + bullet_template.lua should give enough info to visualize a barrage at any single level iirc
vague token
owo
leaden sequoia
for all 10 levels + weapon_property.lua to know at what level the barrage does change form
and also to visualize damage dealt if that's necessary
umu
vague token
get us those armor mods too ;)
leaden sequoia
actually, you'll need weapon_property.lua even for a single barrage
because ships with multiple actual barrages exist, like Amagi
sharp wing
jp wiki has barrage gifs anyway
vague token
o.O
coral wren
i hate 70% proc rng
Hm, is there any way you can see what are bismarck's barrage parameters?
would be awesome
Y, sure thing
sharp wing
Bis barrage stats were datamined some time ago
You can look em up
Well, EN wiki has only total barrage damage with no modifiers or shells count
But there actual datamined spreadsheets around
leaden sequoia
what are you looking for?
err
fuck
I thought it was either in weapon_property or barrage_template
oh
primal_repeat/senior_repeat parameters in barrage_template, I think
that's also fine
ahh, got it
so barrage_template are not just barrages, but any form of projectiles at all
it defines the pattern, the spread etc.
of all the guns we use
as well
since barrage_ID is present for every entry in weapon_property
what we call a barrage is defined in weapon_property
as if it's a gun on its own
sharp wing
The barrage skill itself is few weapons tho
So there will be few weap ids most likely
leaden sequoia
and then there is Amagi's barrage skill which is composed of 4 individual barrages
the fact that there are 4 of those is shown in her skill file
gamecfg/skill/skill_11800.lua
that file defines all the damage of every single weapon in the game
I would be surprised if it was small
yepp
wait a sec
there are 2 67770, not 2 67780 
vague token
leaden sequoia
but it appears twice in gamecfg/skill/skill_11800.lua
mine is from Binary102
effect_list = {
{
targetAniEffect = "",
casterAniEffect = "",
type = "BattleSkillFire",
target_choise = "TargetNil",
arg_list = {
weapon_id = 67761
}
},
{
targetAniEffect = "",
casterAniEffect = "",
type = "BattleSkillFire",
target_choise = "TargetNil",
arg_list = {
weapon_id = 67751
}
},
{
targetAniEffect = "",
casterAniEffect = "",
type = "BattleSkillFire",
target_choise = "TargetHarmRandomByWeight",
arg_list = {
weapon_id = 67771
}
},
{
targetAniEffect = "",
casterAniEffect = "",
type = "BattleSkillFire",
target_choise = "TargetHarmRandomByWeight",
arg_list = {
weapon_id = 67771,
delay = 0.25
}
},
{
targetAniEffect = "",
casterAniEffect = "",
type = "BattleSkillAddBuff",
target_choise = "TargetSelf",
arg_list = {
buff_id = 11801
}
}
}
lvl 1 Amagi
o lol
so even the individual barrages swap around
that's cool
didn't know that was possible
sharp wing
156 damage is damage of +10 t3 533 torp
leaden sequoia
you can look into bullet_ID of the parent in weapon_property
see its coefficients against 3 types of armor
and infer from that
so 67760 has coeffs 0.9/1.2/0.7
67780 --- 0.8/1/1.3
67880 --- 0.9/1.2/0.7
sharp wing
0.9 1.2 0.7 is weird
there some barrage guns ammo, that doesn't match any regular guns ammo tho
vague token
barrages dont match normal ammo rules xD
sharp wing
yeah, so hard to tell
leaden sequoia
actually, there is a type field in bullet_template
vague token
im curious what target random by weight though
leaden sequoia
67760 --- type 2
67780 --- type 3
67880 --- type 1
sharp wing
90 70 40 is AP dd gun ammo
vague token
does it prioritize heavier enemies?
vague token
normal for dd?
leaden sequoia
lemme see 3 DD guns then
vague token
o.O
i only see 4 torpedos
2x2
just did a random fight xD
probably, the arcing shots hit for what like 1k no crit?
that sounds about right?
modern tree
why exactly are her arcing shots more powerful than every gun in the game?
sharp wing
The modifiers there can be pretty off tho, like KGV big shells having torpedo modifiers etc.
Tho don't rely on them 100%
leaden sequoia
ammo_type:
1 = normal
2 = AP
3 = HE
4 = torp
sharp wing
Yeah, Amagi much stronger vs med armor
leaden sequoia
also scratch my remark about type, ammo_type is what we need
sharp wing
And those modifiers also unique to barrage
sharp wing
lol
vague token
cyaneko has ascended to neural net processor, a learning computer jk
sharp wing
On wiki 2 of her barrages are stated as Normal, 1 ap and torps
vague token
should have put more comments
then you'd know
but it's ok im terrible at comments
xD
sharp wing
So we have 2 normal left
Well, arcing + forward
JP wiki actually have table w/ everything, ammo type, damage, shells count, multipliers, but it's image in moonrunes...
vague token
image moon runes? eww
sharp wing
Can't translate for shit
vague token
or search
sharp wing
sharp wing
Bet there is translated variant exists
vague token
unsearchable
sharp wing
leaden sequoia
67770x1: 16x25 AP, 0.9/0.7/0.4, 110 range
67760x2: 3x156 normal, 0.9/1.2/1.7, 150 range
67780x2: 2x124 torp, 0.8/1/1.3, 155 range
67880x2: 2x226 normal, 0.9/1.2/0.7, 130 range
hope I got everything right
sharp wing
But there 4 torps...
sharp wing
ah
leaden sequoia
yess
sharp wing
arching and forward are normal ones
leaden sequoia
see "x2" and "2x" after that [2]
leaden sequoia
x2 means "appears in both waves"
primary wave
and secondary with delay 0.25 secs
only AP cross is launched once
other barrages twice
vague token
so what kind of gun was amagi supposed to have irl again
a 480mm?
xD
20 inch guuunnnn
sharp wing
Initial equip 410mm
leaden sequoia
damage per shell * number of shells * armor type coeff
sharp wing
and 140mm
leaden sequoia
ninja edit: the AP cross has 16x25, not 14x25
while we included primal_repeat = 7 for both halves of the AP cross we forgot about the original shells
looks cool
umu
I think the range in bullet_template is shell/actual range
while in weapon_property it's aimed range
and we know from experience those are not the same in most cases
vague token
leaden sequoia
e.g. for belgun: range in weapon_property is 65, while in bullet_template it's 55
so it aims further than it can actually hit
never
it's ALO, they wouldn't allow it
maybe ALEC
vague token
so wait
how does that interact with biscuit
does it boost the aim and actual ranges?
or does it actually sync them up
cause i know al wiki says detection and shooting range go to 90
wicked rivet
we analyzing AL code now?