pvp

[sharp wing]

I'd like few for pve too

Not like i swap gear, rather use normal...

[leaden sequoia]

I have too many gold normal quints, would like more gold homing quints/quads RNG-sama why have you forsaken me

[sharp wing]

I have over dozen normal quitns

[shell heron]

At least with normal torps, if they miss the VG. There is a chance of hitting the back.
Unlike mag sometimes where it tries to hit the VG but flys off the map

[sharp wing]

I put em on every ship i use more or less, lol

Yeah, few of them regularly get guided off map

But still much advantage over non homing on general

I bet torp nuke team users just reroll right away if 1st torp salvo not hit properly

Having yr main torped for 6k tho...

[leaden sequoia]

I still remember a mag torp getting sent back to my backline because of enemy vg wiggling their way out of hitting it

I thought that's the advantage of torp comps

you can know if you're guaranteed to win in 2-3 seconds

you can know if you're guaranteed to win in 2-3 seconds

[sharp wing]

Well sinking Juneau in 1st torp strike is big advantage on general basis

[shell heron]

If the first wave of torps can sink Juneau, it will prob sink a second VG with her

or at least heavily damage her

[sharp wing]

I always laugh, when my vg evades all Aya torps

They hit but miss

or only one detonate

[shell heron]

I love facing comps with Aya. It either all miss or hit either my VG or back really hard

[sharp wing]

Aya without buffer/debuffer is trash imo

[leaden sequoia]

have a boiler vg
run into every single torp
"miss, miss, miss"

[sharp wing]

Aya + aurora is most scary

[shell heron]

Those days were nice before Juneau caught on for everyone

you know if you won or lost within the first 3s

[sharp wing]

Well, i haven't used Juneau till like last 2-3 months

Eldie trolling all the way

Enty + helena times fun too

[shell heron]

I loved my Eld. Carried me through before Amagi came in

[sharp wing]

Pretty much

Tho i also started using her only like after 3 months

And mostly on def fleet

[raw osprey]

got no use for her now

[sharp wing]

Well, there still few

I'd put 1 too

But lack spare gears

[shell heron]

although she's not my go to for PvP anymore. I love using her for SOS missions

[sharp wing]

Well, she has highest ASW stat

[shell heron]

and I don't have extra gear to use her on PvP anymore

[raw osprey]

i dont do ASW missions

[sharp wing]

I got gold sonar and homing sub torp yesterday crafted

1st gold gear since SOS introduced...

[raw osprey]

droprate seem good ye

[sharp wing]

Mostly do SOS to farm drop ships tbh

6 8 9 10 chs

rest i skip

[raw osprey]

gottem all

need new chapter

pls devs

[sharp wing]

Lucky u

[raw osprey]

w11 ASW missions

[sharp wing]

No ty

HM over ch7

[leaden sequoia]

that's not lucky

especially in this PR grind period

having no events and no ships to farm from story maps sucks

[sharp wing]

oh well

[shell heron]

yes, PR and event grind period

explains why PvP is dead today

[sharp wing]

I grind PR in event tho...

And pvp aint take any time...

ppl just care about pvp less and less

We really need gem rewards for ranks

[leaden sequoia]

some people like the brainless approach "just click/tap this and that over and over without thinking"

which excludes pvp, sadly

[shell heron]

There were some new faces here not long ago, people are getting interested in ranks. Or at least how to get gensui for that sweet 2.5k

[sharp wing]

Well, just that they played for few months and got no other stuff left to do...

So decided to see what is pvp

That's how i see it

[shell heron]

But new rewards sound nice. Only so many bulins and purins I want to buy

[sharp wing]

I stoped buying bulins...

But my Dock still cramped w/ em

[shell heron]

Cubes in the merit shop is a myth

[sharp wing]

There purins on Exchange like least once a week

[leaden sequoia]

who would've thought that pve content starvation would make people interested in pvp

[sharp wing]

Well, pve content in AL... Wait

I see more and more ppl who only do pvp lately

Some ppl only keep login cause pvp

Others stop caring bout pvp

1st days of events are always crowded tho

rooms get full up to 5-6 sometimes

Tho it dies out to 1st room not full in like 3 days

[shell heron]

I got 1 good sandbag this reset

and my second is Keripo which I know he's sandbagging as well

so can't get anymore bonus points off him than is

[sharp wing]

Mine are some randoms

meme fleets all

Tho i got 3+ this reset

[wicked rivet]

nice I got someone that rushed right away in my list

its about time

after a whole reset of deadness

[ionic hill]

what do you do if the rank 1 person appears in your opponent choices?

[wicked rivet]

beat them immediately

[ionic hill]

[wicked rivet]

they aint gonna move any more

[ionic hill]

i see

[wicked rivet]

there might be some strat of "wait for more people to rush ahead and then hope to get another high rank" but idk if thats very viable and its definitely lots of rng

[ionic hill]

i have a weird sleep schedule, so i have to rush to at least below 5/10

[shell heron]

I would honestly move now

if you wait to see if someone else moves, you might miss the period where rushers are active

[ionic hill]

i see what you mean

[wicked rivet]

waiting for too long is the worst thing to do

better to eat a +0 now and hopefully get something later then wait till reset and have to rush for all +0

current rank: 2666

[zenith tundra]

mogami dps testing

even with 203 mle the dmg is still lower the belfast

[silver root]

what equip did u put on belfap

[shell heron]

here's what I use

torps are preference

[zenith tundra]

this is my belfast

my skc bps are bad 14/25

[silver root]

how is mogami losing to bel with nagato buff

[zenith tundra]

CL get 15% more damage and 20% damage reduction
CA get 15% damage reduction

mostly this and the fact that ca guns have bad firing angles

[lean phoenix]

^

i think its best to test DPS on the Torpedo Daily, lots of HP there that doesnt move and no armor

[sharp wing]

That's pointless, CA will easily hit anything there, unlike pvp, and CL won't be buffed in PVE

Ofc Mogami will win by mile

[zenith tundra]

dps testing is a thing but if u think ca will blow in pvp only because of a 35% bonus he dmg u might want to rethink

if u deal no dmg u don't delete a thing

i think saint louis will be just fine with both tankiness and damage

but definitely not broken

[sharp wing]

Mostly due to how hard CA targeting is

She won't be able to hit anything even a bit to the side

[shell heron]

23/25 MLE, 17/25 SKC atm
I would have been happy with that 0.5hr research if it gave me 3 MLE instead of 1 MLE and 2 confetti cannon

[lean phoenix]

Confetti cannon

[sharp wing]

[lean phoenix]

sandbagging is fun

i get to steamroll inferior fleets while waiting

[shell heron]

oh I'm thinking will the PR triple 152 work better than 155 in PvP

[sharp wing]

17 and 15 here

[lean phoenix]

I just keep doing D-research projects

[sharp wing]

nah

[zenith tundra]

neptune would use 152 for sure

[lean phoenix]

Havent gotten the Q 30mins in a while

[sharp wing]

maybe Nep

[shell heron]

Nep for sure, but as a secondary for someone like Nagato?

[sharp wing]

Due to increased range and fast projectiles maybe

[shell heron]

155 prob is still better if the enemy VG pushes that far

[zenith tundra]

for bb yes for cl most likely not

[lean phoenix]

bismarck

[sharp wing]

So as Aux - ye, as Main - no

[zenith tundra]

people who used it says it's better then belgun

as aux gun

[sharp wing]

PR S2 has improved Belgun tho

Yeah, for aux it certainly better

Due to mentioned reasons earlier

[shell heron]

I'll have to see for myself which works better. The extra range may be a very good improvement

[sharp wing]

and good bullet speed

Cause Belgun shots pretty easy to dodge even at medium ranges

Esp due to that wide pattern

Ofc if vg pushes yr back, shotgunning Belgun is good

But as long range support it's meh

[zenith tundra]

152 has better fire rate and volley time. that should make a big difference for bb

[sharp wing]

So for Saint VG i'd go w/ PR 152 anyway, assuming she will live, at least as lng as enemy vg

[shell heron]

Doesn't sound like fun to have the first 152 go on my PvP ship, but not like I have a CL that needs it right away

[sharp wing]

I'm more concerned w/ Belgun actually barely hitting anything as aux if vg not pushing yr main

Well, if you go for Nep

Also it's pretty much new general CL pve gun for any cl

improved Tbsk

[shell heron]

fair enough, the vg that usually pushes forward is yuki because she won't die
and she'll dance around the belgun

[sharp wing]

yeah, that too

Belgun can't even shotgun her properly

AP ammo might be good improvement at both long and close ranges

for hitting stuff

It's spread is 18 against Belgun 24 w/ same 3 bullets per salvo

And AP speed

And S2 PR HE cl gun even more tight, 16, w/ same shooting pattern as Belgun 2x3

That thing gonna be dope

[zenith tundra]

another 23 and i can try it also wtf is that 50bps for a bb ap gun...

[lament lichen]

Fdg gun

[zenith tundra]

i know what it is and it's still not amazing tbh also takes 50 bps for fun

[shell heron]

16 degree spread sounds tight

[modern tree]

Actually, Belgun on def has much tighter spread because guns are weirdly flipped

From what I can tell

Trash like duo 152 also fires super weird, not like it's good or should be ran. It's just interesting

[sharp wing]

Decisive gears take 50 bps

[modern tree]

I think my favorite is z46 barrage that fires entirely different pattern and torps fire straight

[sharp wing]

z46 has homing torps in barrage too

[modern tree]

Pvp in this game is just so strange

[sharp wing]

z46 is actually disguised barrageboat

That barrage spam w/ 100mm gives her thicc dps

[shell heron]

I want to see an ironblood fleet in PvP now that we have a proper mainfleet

[sharp wing]

ehhh

[shell heron]

not saying it's gonna be good, but should be interesting

[zenith tundra]

i have it.... jusf not leveled

[vagrant veldt]

I ran into an Ironblood fleet using only their faction weapons

which was interesting

[sharp wing]

Well, Z vangyaurd is bit too squishy.... Roon need some more backup

I actually want to see that Leipzig retro

[shell heron]

I did hear something about a leipzig retro floating around. that might change things

[sharp wing]

And Z1 retro

CN getting em as part of anniversary activities

Tho dunno are they gonna be in second or 3rd wave

anniversary comes in 3 parts kinda

[zenith tundra]

might not even be there tbh

[sharp wing]

Koln retro ASW bias was

[zenith tundra]

retro in en are weird

[vagrant veldt]

third wave for the retros

according to the livestream

[sharp wing]

Ok

I thought as much

Waves are 2 weeks each or so?

[zenith tundra]

glad i still have 12 more days to waste farming pr ships. at least will make this anniversary thing less boring

[sharp wing]

Oh well

[wicked rivet]

Someone on my list moved and I was 21 points from next rank and i was like okay lets see how many I get

And they gave me 20 points

Now im 1 point from next rank and just waitin for someone else to give more points

[shell heron]

Very nice. Still a dead list for me.

[zenith tundra]

i had 2 ppl moving so far

[wicked rivet]

One person moved but im 100% sure they're also sandbagging so I probly wont get any +

[modern tree]

I got extra points out of all but 5 attempts this season so far

git gud

sandy dead server btw

cant wait to lose it all because I am crunching 13 hours

[sharp wing]

That's Sandy for you

My list still dead, good to have 2+ after each reset...

And i usually need to do all 10 before last 2 resets due to sleep

[modern tree]

can this chat decide what is actually Sandy for me, cuz most of the time its "sandy has so little players playing that we might as well axe the server", but here I am getting 4/5 bonuses per reset

[sharp wing]

That's just RNG for you

[modern tree]

I was top3 with you, Cyaneko for the entire 12 hours of first reset

[shell heron]

Still dead. Might as well take a +0 now in hopes of getting someone that moves soon

[sharp wing]

Just did that

killed Kizu fleet mercilessly

I'm savage, i know.

[shell heron]

There we go, a +3

so not a completely dead reset

[sharp wing]

got some guy 2k ahead too, let's see

EN rank in game translations a weird

Should be Lieutenant instead of captain

[ionic magnet]

oh they fixed those already in old client

now we're back to messy ranks

[vague token]

o.o

[sharp wing]

Yeap.

Oh, i have a kms fleet on list.

[shy hazel]

@vague token

u in my leftmost again

move or dai

[sharp wing]

I think he's already laying on the floor breathless.

[vague token]

lol

one sec

[sharp wing]

Frankly saying, i never look on names

Numbers...

[vague token]

is 4 attacks ok? xD

[sharp wing]

WTB a rusher

[trim horizon]

👀

[sharp wing]

Oh, look, 1 more KMS fleet

[vague token]

@shy hazel just did 4, you greedy and want me to do the other 6 or you cool with 4

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

although i think if i did them all id eat minus points

xD

[sharp wing]

Mmmm

[vague token]

collusion strats

[leaden jay]

I made it (again (for a few minutes))

[sharp wing]

👍

[leaden jay]

[sharp wing]

Wish you was on my list tho

guaranteed +3

[leaden jay]

What list

[sharp wing]

Akagi's secret list

[leaden jay]

[sharp wing]

Some1 pushed

Sandy not ded (yet)

A rare wasd mirror

[vague token]

stella come baaaaack and answer the question xD

[sharp wing]

Oh boi, another Kizu fleet...

I'm starting to feel bad

[shy hazel]

@vague token arigathanks gozaimuch

my bonus point drought after 3 resets is over

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

gotchu fam

now i will sit at 6/10 for 5 hours

xD

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

better set an alarm kek

[shy hazel]

just sit

if u not confident to nit forget it just di

im 90% louis now

who next pr to build

[vague token]

hey now, as a One Time Top Ten Because of Bad Patch i cant give up all my sandbagging

[shy hazel]

this is too easy

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

[ionic magnet]

tfw when you get famine on your list just before reset

[vague token]

oof

[shy hazel]

ibuki is better but well

[ionic magnet]

means still on a good pace

[vague token]

i had him yesterday

i think he was 3rd slot

i just hit refresh xD

it was worth though

[ionic magnet]

yea i insta refresh also

lol

[sharp wing]

Lmao

[ionic magnet]

and now im stuck with 4 dead casuals

[sharp wing]

I pushed only 4/10 and already at 1st hundred....

Oh well, that's it for today...

[weary nacelle]

soo close yet soo far

[shell heron]

I just got my first match in because someone finally moved

[torpid shuttle]

Do y'all use illustrious?

[ionic magnet]

lusty eh

last time i heard that name was like 6 months ago

[vague token]

now there's a name i havent heard in a long time

jk

[craggy cove]

Dang, only the second day of a new season and already a loss

Seems I lose in the Naga/Ama/Hiryuu mirror

[vague token]

how many big sevens were you behind by xD

[craggy cove]

None, it came down to my frontline being worse

[buoyant parrot]

[craggy cove]

because I insist on using fubuki

[odd schooner]

I totally forgot to use my extra 3 pvp while buying godzilla tickets

[buoyant parrot]

well just look at it this way... You have your godzilla ticket now and happy 😂

[odd schooner]

[vague token]

[ionic hill]

roomba or bofors?

[finite valve]

mix of both for best set up

[wicked rivet]

bruh same i almost lost 3 attacks cause I was bowling

[vague token]

oof

[wicked rivet]

checked at like 8:50 and saw I had 8

[vague token]

or i guess oof averted?

[wicked rivet]

oof averted

[vague token]

saint louis full skills =D

maybe ill sneak her into my attack for xp

[wicked rivet]

I already do that with my buki, it helps some with the 100 grind

[vague token]

ah

ive been using saint louis on d3 for xp xD

[wicked rivet]

ye D3 is pretty good with the sirens and 3 diamond fleets

SP is even better but only once per day

[vague token]

i dunno if i can do that since im using bismarck also

and her barrage wont be doing much =/

[ionic magnet]

someone finally moved after 4 hrs

[vague token]

im maxing yellow first because of that lol

[modern tree]

Crit skill should be better for leveling either way cuz it's reliable

Still funny how bisquit is just a little different kms doy. Hits hard on some shells, buffs damage, useless barrage

[hot creek]

but...but they'll fix her barrage right?

[coral wren]

Well, last time i cheked that bug report had an"in progress" status

[zenith tundra]

in jp is just as bugged once it works properly and the other just hits nothing

[modern tree]

I honestly don't care if she has her barrage fixed or not. Her buff and item alone make her easily a t1 boat. Don't need every new release to be t-0.5

[zenith tundra]

pretty sure u wouldn't mind if kgv barrage would just hit nothing too

[coral wren]

lmao

[modern tree]

Pretty sure kgv has nothing else to her name

[zenith tundra]

a retarded fp?

[modern tree]

So her barrage hitting nothing would just make her more expensive Yamashiro/Hyuuga

[zenith tundra]

bismark crits is barely a 25% dmg increase rn

far from anything broken

[modern tree]

Okay but she buffs up to 5 boats and has a great pve item

You have to acquire perspective

[coral wren]

The sad thing is, we still don't know if it's a bug or an intended feature since noone from devs responded properly

[zenith tundra]

outside of z vg u never use full kms front

[coral wren]

It might be a shitty gimmick, making her barrage hit or miss randomly

[modern tree]

Outside of pvp you rarely ever run a full front

[zenith tundra]

the problem is that that barrage is also trash in pve i saw it hit nothing so many times that any triple gun is better on her then usual fast gun for barrage procs

[modern tree]

The problem is that despite that shes still a power crept QE and you just tunnel vision on her barrage like it matters. Doy doesn't have problems having a useless skill

[zenith tundra]

idk but a slowing skill is far from useless especially if it lands on bosses

plus she can use it for clearing other small ships so the ui doesn't target random stuff

also doy buff everyone damage not just a faction with her debuff

doy also doesn't need flagship spot to be good

[modern tree]

I am bored of arguing with you because you don't actually make any points. Lets leave it at simple math. How many skills does Enterprise need to be best solo cv in the game? Got it? Now how many skills does bisquit have including her item(hell even count it as half if you have to), even if you insist that her barrage is worth absolutely nothing.

[zenith tundra]

enty sucks btw not even that good for anything rn

very far from best solo cv imo she literally has nothing but a rng buff without it she's meh

compared to what other cv can bring as utility

and cv dmg sucks still

[vague token]

people sleeping on my sara utility

dot damage not reduced by AA? check

gun damage not reduced by AA? check

[modern tree]

And I thought that I am contrarian

[vague token]

escort damage boost? check

;)

[modern tree]

Oh well, I reset my case

[vague token]

[lament lichen]

sara solo backline

[zenith tundra]

let's put it this way. for bismark to be useful rn she need a kms comp. outside of that she's bad

for 15 oil u can have anything else and it's better overall

like amagi/doy/tirp

[vague token]

well, i think she's better than tirp

[zenith tundra]

even in a 0 ammo setup without 2+ backlines she's not better

with that item

[vague token]

is 100% crit on every first shot, 25% the rest with 12% reload worse than 30% damage?

[zenith tundra]

i'm talking without kms builds

[vague token]

i meant solo

[zenith tundra]

as a solo backline

her dmg is 25% more with crits

vs 30% tirp

[vague token]

is it 25%?

[zenith tundra]

50% crit chance with 50% more damage

[vague token]

i dont think that's how the math works one sec

[zenith tundra]

6x100=600 3x150+3x100=750 150/600=25%

???

[vague token]

wait are you using a 406 or 410 here

cause i was assuming 406

[zenith tundra]

the number of shoots changes nothing

[vague token]

cause im pretty sure

it's more liek

1.5 * 3 + (.3 * 1.5 + .7) * 6 for biscuit 406

[zenith tundra]

9x100=900 4.5x150+4.5x100=1125 225/900=25%

the number of shoots cannot chance the math since it's all % based

[vague token]

oh ok, it's lower by 7%

not that bad really

once the barrage is fixed you can easily make up that difference

plus the reload self buff helps a bit

[zenith tundra]

with shells she can deal 37.5% more damage but those aren't in en yet

[vague token]

i get 1.4 with the shells

(1.75 * 3 + (.3 * 1.75 + .7) * 6) / 9

[zenith tundra]

also if we go and consider the other skills pretty sure tirp homing torp are better then 2nd with 75% damage

[ionic magnet]

it all comes down to if she can defend herself with those nerfed aux guns

[vague token]

and that's not including crit from hit

[zenith tundra]

she's suck at that tbh

i have problems a lot even with tbtsk

[ionic magnet]

yea not surprising but atleast it should be a plus in pvp

problem is lack of good kms ships

[zenith tundra]

but in pvp ships without barrage sucks

[vague token]

yeah im pretty sure with shell she'll definitely be better

average damage is higher

[ionic magnet]

i want someone to beat ijn already

[zenith tundra]

and the whole point of this discussion is that bismark is good without it and i just don't see where she's good if we leave kms builds outside

[vague token]

i mean, she's still solid, most ships are trash for solo bb options

post barrage fix she'll be fine

if they fix it

xD

[zenith tundra]

i never said she's bad with a working barrage

[ionic magnet]

shes just another decent waifu ship to me outside of kms fleet

[zenith tundra]

for a ship with 3 skill i would expect more then an improved qe

[vague token]

i mean

[ionic magnet]

t1 ship prolly

[vague token]

i think our expectations are just too high

[ionic magnet]

yea its disappointing

[vague token]

like

they know they released stupidly busted ships

so they were like

guess we gotta tone it down

here have some more smol boats

[zenith tundra]

she has 3 skills i need to level up to get a t1 boat

[vague token]

in permanent xD

i mean, only have to level yellow atm ;)

[zenith tundra]

enty with 1 skill is relatively better then her

[ionic magnet]

well if they add more kms ships then she'll become mandatory

just think of it as an investment

[vague token]

i think the problem is that we want freedom from ws kai and nagato

;))))

and one that doesnt come from a million resources spent over months of work called pr2

top kek

[zenith tundra]

for pvp without her barrage hitting is better not run her at all since kms doesn't have the units for it now

which is just fixed by her barrage working

[coral wren]

By the time they fix her/pr2 comes to en there will be more busted boats

[ionic magnet]

someone has to sacrifice and make a fully maxed kms fleet tho

[zenith tundra]

at lvl 120 i expect roon to murder main fleets if she gets there. saw my mogami put some 15k damage with 203 mle when she got to main fleet

[ionic magnet]

how can we test how good bad they are

also why the hell is my first PR gear the gold HE BB gun thats only good for BMs apparently

[vague token]

heh

[zenith tundra]

u mean the 381 triple?

[ionic magnet]

yea that one

[zenith tundra]

that would be good on nagato too LOL

[ionic magnet]

nagato heh

[zenith tundra]

i would use that gun on nagato and kaga bb for pve tbh

[hot creek]

how you guys get PR gear so fast. my highest is only 16/25 lol

[zenith tundra]

if u use other big seven ships too

[ionic magnet]

i mean i dont have nagato kek

[zenith tundra]

which is why i loled

[ionic magnet]

my other gears are 15-18/25 also

that gun is just trolling me

[zenith tundra]

my 1st was 410 ap and 2nd was 203 mle

[stark raft]

my highest is 12 rudders

[zenith tundra]

410 ap is actually not that bad tbh at least if u have other bb with he

or stuff that can kill light easily

[charred sable]

Its okay, Bismarck is purposefully nerfed right now so she can become OP when she gets her Retrofit and becomes Bismarck Kai

[vague token]

hmmmm

[zenith tundra]

in like 2-3 years maybe

[coral wren]

Did she historically get a retrofit?

If no, i doubt devs will get her one

[zenith tundra]

i don't think that's how al works tbh

pretty sure out of all the rare/common ships with retro there must be at least 1 without retro irl

[coral wren]

Well, if anything they should have given pow a retro

[zenith tundra]

if they will run out of ur retro might happen

[coral wren]

BUt with kgv i guess it's easier to pretend pow never existed

[stark raft]

Still 2 more left in the kgv series

[charred sable]

Yet no QE buff

[coral wren]

Good, she is annoying af

They might be preparing something for her

Like, a full redesign

[ionic magnet]

excuse me who is annoying af?

[vague token]

[ionic magnet]

[coral wren]

Yeah, that brat

[vague token]

just give pow the kgv gun skill

balanced

[ionic magnet]

ah i thought you meant kgv

[coral wren]

[ionic magnet]

ok carry on

[vague token]

oh and give dork the kgv gun skill too

and get rid of the current barrage

[coral wren]

Eeh

[vague token]

to be fair, all art of QE is better than the default

[ionic magnet]

that skin makes her playable atleast

[charred sable]

But then we get this and all doesnt matter anymore

[vague token]

xD

[coral wren]

I really don;t know why can't they just patch stuff like skills barrages etc etc without retrofitting those boats

[zenith tundra]

there is a lot of work to do to fix all bugs from ui2.0 on all servers

[charred sable]

why dont game designers just give us everything we want all at once?

[vague token]

EVERYTHING

GIMME

jk

[coral wren]

Simple numbers tweaking would be enough

[ionic magnet]

well imagine your 110 botes getting nerfed

[coral wren]

Amagi? Would gladly agree

[odd schooner]

@buoyant parrot OK I'M DONE ON THE MOVIE

[coral wren]

To hell with her

[odd schooner]

Worth the season skip

[ionic magnet]

oathed and all then suddenly shes not meta anymore

[odd schooner]

[zenith tundra]

they are going by priorities so i guess stuff like a non properly working barrage is down the list compared to game crashing

they changed missions monday...

[coral wren]

Well, your report has a medium priority, so i don't really know what does it mean

While some client bugs have low

[modern tree]

Akagi chan still ain't fixed so crashes are also lower priority than sticky academy notice

: )

[zenith tundra]

maybe who reported it was drunk

[vague token]

sometimes you just gotta drown the issue in oxycola

[shy hazel]

its not a bug

its a feature

[coral wren]

en server is al's feature

[zenith tundra]

if everyone had maxed akagi chan pvp would be almost unplayable

[hot creek]

tfw I don't have akagi chan

[wicked rivet]

I havwnt has to reset in ages

And i look away when fighting a fox fleet

And i ducking

LOSE???

R u fucking kidding me

I am pissed

[hot creek]

got Bismarck's barrage to level 10

still trash confirmed

[coral wren]

How many times can she land it out of 10?

[wicked rivet]

Rip

[raw osprey]

Bismarck 🚮

[steep fog]

I got bismarck barrage to sl10

deals no dmg

♿

[ionic magnet]

[coral wren]

bismarck in motion

[charred sable]

Anyone on Avrora in the ~1500 rank range and willing to share their current points total?

[ionic magnet]

568 pts

rank 1603

[charred sable]

ok, so I'll get some bonus points from that at least

Ohhh, luckyyyy

[coral wren]

0 movement...

[modest elbow]

i have a sandbagger in my lobby and he's moved twice now, while i haven't moved at all

[coral wren]

what a coincidence, i am at 8/10

[shy hazel]

if they dont want to give u bonus

deny them until the very last minute

use all 5 charges on the last 10 minutes

if no one can gain point bonus from u u both lose

[coral wren]

Ye, will do

[shy hazel]

better both lose than u lose and sandbagger wins

the theory of sandbagging sandbaggers

[coral wren]

cannibalism

i rike it

[wicked rivet]

senapi needs to hurry up and move

they got a fox fleet and everything

but they aint going

and every other option is 100% sandbagger

[coral wren]

how much do u need to sandbag to recover 5 lost matches on day 1?

or should I just give up and just hope for the best

You won't be able to recover if you lost 5 matches i think

yeah. I forgot 3am refresh and I just slept thru whole night

yikes

I am like 100+ points behind xD

Oh boy, doing 3 matches in the last 7 mins will be fun especially if i see them in a haste doing theirs

[ionic magnet]

9-10 missed attacks is still doable if you sandbag properly

even for casual sandbaggers, 5 should still be fine

if you rush during dead resets

[charred sable]

I casual sandbagged but couldn't get close last season due to 6 lost attacks on Avrora

[shy hazel]

i dont follow that theory anyways

i just casual sandbag

i only got one bite this time

wont wait for more

wtv

[ionic magnet]

depends how casual is your casual

[shy hazel]

im losing interest in top 10

[charred sable]

Like, even if I rushed, I would have been 2-5 points below the top 10 if no one moved at all right after reset

If I don't miss any attacks though, 6 attempts at rushing is usually enough

[shy hazel]

tbh i didnt even care last top 10 rush

u saw me use all my rounds as early as 3 hours before season ended

i usually do it 30 minutes before season ends

lol

[charred sable]

@ionic magnet my "casual" sandbagging is essentially check twice per reset period, meaning I'll at max get bonuses from 2/5. Usually it's 1/5 or 0/5 after the first week

[silver root]

what is the bug with bisko’s barrage that people were talking about?

[ionic magnet]

well thats weird cos thats what im doing too and ive gotten gensui 4x now with 8 or 9 missed attacks

[shy hazel]

people assume its a bug

because it feels weak

and doesnt reach backline

but only god knows

its the same on all versions

[ionic magnet]

are you rushing on sundays?

[charred sable]

Once when I wake up, once after lunch, once right before 6pm, once when I get home and start playing while watching anime, once right before midnight, then once right before sleep. So 6 checks for the 3 resets per day

[shy hazel]

my description of casual is to check every hour

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

and if nothing moves in 2 hours i kill anyone anyways

i dont wait for 4-7 hours just to get nothing

sometimes advancing through and not waiting

gives u more rushers

than being stuck with permanent sandbaggers

for 9 hours

casual

[ionic magnet]

see it depends how casual is your casual

[charred sable]

The main reason I don't really checking that often is cause I'm busy focusing on work most of the day

[shy hazel]

unlucky u

im allowed to have a phone in my desk at work soo

[charred sable]

Even to the point that it's risky to not go down to 5/10 cause anything above, there's a high chance of me losing attacks

[shy hazel]

just gotta set at privacy screen and low brightness

check if got bite then beat if got

then turn off

[ionic magnet]

[charred sable]

I have my phone on my desk, it's just I'm actually focused and "in the zone" when working, so I lose track of time easily

I lost 10 attacks once cause I was so focused I missed both the 6pm and midnight resets (stayed in office pretty late that day )

[shy hazel]

this is low season again so i jus say

[ionic magnet]

my work allows me to do whatever i want as long as there's nothing to do which is p much half the time

[shy hazel]

if u cant wait it out

just do it fas

hooloo did u alrdy chnge job

[ionic magnet]

tho catch is, i never know when my boss will throw a bunch of recipes at me so i cant risk doing all my charges 10 mins before reset

[shy hazel]

recipe

[ionic magnet]

i usually just use all charges 1 hr before reset

im still on same company but changed department kek

better than before atleast

[coral wren]

lmao, literally 4 sandbaggers waiting for each other to move

holy fuck

[wicked rivet]

the fox fleet finally moved

to rank 500

+3

now I only need 5 more +3's to make up for the loss

[charred sable]

Welp, I fucked up

[wicked rivet]

F

[charred sable]

Thought it was going to be done nice bonus points

Dozed off during the fight and came back to Hiryuu vs Hiryuu

[wicked rivet]

oh no

at least u didnt come back to the defeat screen appearing

[charred sable]

Went to pause and restart but was too late, mine lost

[wicked rivet]

oh fug

RIP

[charred sable]

Worse feeling than had I just lost a normal no-bonus-points fight

[wicked rivet]

F

[zenith tundra]

so nice when u get ur mogami to opponent main fleet

almost outdamaged amagi lol

[sharp wing]

I'm so casual, i run Emu on work PC

[zenith tundra]

i wonder if this year well get new stuff in core data. losing any hope to see new stuff in 2019

[blazing scroll]

I hope so

Otherwise I might start spending core data on T5 boxes

[modern tree]

I love that every other patch we get notification about NEW SYSTEM OF REFRESHING CORE SHOP

[zenith tundra]

best feature after all

without it only boxes left to buy

[steep fog]

im waiting for swordfish

and shells

[sharp wing]

Hell, i'd even be glad for seaplane, lol

[blazing scroll]

I'm already at 2,5k core data 👀

I would like to spend some

[elder crane]

From a while back:

[shell heron]

more exciting than E vs E

[elder crane]

Same match, a while before; basically unchanged HP

Literally just throwing spitballs at each other

2:40 match in PvP

[shell heron]

there's a chance your toolbox will outheal the damage you take

[elder crane]

I think my ykkz went down a teeny bit between the two caps 30 s apart
That salvo of torps finally killed his

[sharp wing]

using 100mm instead of 76mm

[elder crane]

you run it for the extra 10% eHP vs planes

which is like the main thing that threatens ykkz
Her role is that of tank anyways, the extra chip from her barrages doesn't matter

[sharp wing]

Doesn't matter?

lol

[elder crane]

plus in this case the 100 mm is actually better

[sharp wing]

she has torp barrage

[elder crane]

since the barrage will basically never hit

yeah, and her overall damage as part of the team is pretty small

[sharp wing]

If she had no torps in barrage, i'd use 100mm

Like Eldie

[elder crane]

her survivability on the other hand, is very important

[sharp wing]

She torps main fleet for 410+ damage

[elder crane]

it's why you bring her

[sharp wing]

w/ her barrage

[elder crane]

which is still pretty minimal overall

[sharp wing]

Also... How often you fight foxes

[elder crane]

Hiryuu also exists

[blazing scroll]

And Enty

[elder crane]

almost every decent fleet you face has at least one CV

[sharp wing]

having yukie barrages go off 2.4 secs faster is not small difference tbh

[elder crane]

and that CV(s) deals a substantial amount to your VG

It's pretty minimal since the overall damage contribution is small

[wicked rivet]

2.4 seconds faster times however long the fight lasts

which is usually more than 30 second

is a couple barrages

at least

[sharp wing]

not couple

Since Yukie often bounce around main fleet in the end too

barraging them

[blazing scroll]

But higher AA reduces dmg taken from planes tho

[elder crane]

In the decisive matches, every one of your main fleet ships will vastly outdamage ykkz
by almost 2 X if not significantly more

[sharp wing]

yukie relies on eva in there

[blazing scroll]

She can't evade everything

Besides her AA stats are pretty bad

So the gun helps

[elder crane]

it's straight up a ~10% dred, 100 mm vs 76 mm, on all aviation damage

[sharp wing]

just play w/ 76 a bit and you will see difference

[blazing scroll]

I have

Trust me I have tried both

But I would rather use the 100mm

[sharp wing]

That's up to you

Won't stop others from laughing

[wicked rivet]

if yuki goes fast enough she dodges planes anyways

[sharp wing]

[blazing scroll]

It's not like the faster barrage guarantees more dmg

Because she might just miss instead

[sharp wing]

It's like some ppl prefer Hellcats in pvp

[elder crane]

on average it does

but it doesn't matter enough

Hellcat is the best non-event Fighter in PvP generally

[finite valve]

implying that barrage matter when 99% of the time the barrage will miss due to the AI flying around like headless chicken

[sharp wing]

90% of time it will hit either vg or main

[elder crane]

basically
it does do a fair bit when it lands, but half the time it whiffs

[sharp wing]

Unless you already killed half enemy fleet

[elder crane]

so overall the extra contribution, considering the whole team, is minimal

whereas ykkz surviving is super important

[finite valve]

if talking about surviving then 100mm is the way to go

[elder crane]

well, that's the point of debate here
Sag thinks the 100mm is a meme choice only, and the extra barrages is too much to give up anytime

[sharp wing]

why meme?

[leaden sequoia]

basically, the difference of values here

one values offensive capabilities more

the other survival ones

[finite valve]

i rather bet on a passive stat than more barrage

since as we all know AI movement ain't the smartest

99% of the time the barrage will miss

[elder crane]

the whole point of ykkz is to stall
she does a decent amount of dmg for a VG, but that's just a bonus

[wicked rivet]

"99%"

[elder crane]

I think it's already viable vs just Hiryuu

[finite valve]

you implying that YKK barrage is like the core point of YKK

which are not

[sharp wing]

If we go to that, she dodges 99% of hiryuu bombs too...

[finite valve]

you implying that YKK barrage is like the core point of YKK
which is not

[elder crane]

can't always dodge the TB soup though

[finite valve]

i rather have my YKK survive more then rely on some "more barrage" proc

[sharp wing]

Can't miss 99% time too

[elder crane]

plus when rest of team ties her down she can't dodge bombs

[finite valve]

which will do shit dmg

[sharp wing]

miss too, not just dodge out of radius

[finite valve]

i think this discussion is more like "i have no extra plate / gun to max a second 100mm" more than anything lel

[elder crane]

plus I don't even run boiler on her anymore since she often barely outlasts rest of VG then
boiler on her is really only useful when she's solo, and I'd rather she make it to that point with more HP/make it to that point at all

[finite valve]

YKK barrage is too much of a joke in the hand of AI

[blazing scroll]

I actually use boiler, but that's because I have Portland in my vg too

[elder crane]

ah, yeah, you need all the speed you can get then

with sheff/jun/ykkz I find 2 boilers on jun is good enough

[blazing scroll]

It will probably not be needed as soon as Sanrui is properly developed

[vague token]

i would run boiler on juneau but there's still people running jintsuu with namagi hiryuu

[leaden sequoia]

2 boilers Jun doesn't die too early?

[vague token]

so she evaporates

[leaden sequoia]

against torps I mean

[blazing scroll]

Not if Juneau is in the middle

[elder crane]

she's fine in 2nd slot with sheff protection vs the teams that are actually troublesome

the stuff that kills her early, isn't a challenge for Namayuu

[blazing scroll]

I don't use Gift cards anymore

[vague token]

ive been using ykk middle because she keeps getting clipped more on off tank

[blazing scroll]

I just use my PayPal

[vague token]

eg if im having bad big seven luck she survives longer mid

[blazing scroll]

In what way is there no option?

[elder crane]

.... really?
I haven't tried that tbh

[blazing scroll]

Is it region bound or something?

[elder crane]

ah region lock

[blazing scroll]

Because my gplay is bound to paypal

[sharp wing]

Can't you just pay w/ credit card?

[blazing scroll]

You can

[sharp wing]

Bank account has no carD?

[elder crane]

US account needed probs

[sharp wing]

[blazing scroll]

Here in the NL we got IDEAL so I just deposit some money on the paypal account

Otherwise I would buy gplay cards in a local store

[sharp wing]

Why don't you just open any mastercard something and transfer money there and pay

[elder crane]

I'm in Canada, which to this stuff is usually just considered "US lite"
Minus the terrible exchange rates for our "Monopoly money" ofc

[sharp wing]

In any bank

I just pay for anything online w/ my salary mastercard

[blazing scroll]

@balmy torrent I've used this one before: https://igiftcards.nl/google-play/
But it's Dutch

[blazing scroll]

Np

[pearl nimbus]

Hopefully Kawakaze.

[zenith tundra]

very hard to keep alive vs cv but that mogami damage lol

saw her hitting 1k dmg on vg

mostly yes

now that i have 203 mle

still vs foxes shes pretty useless

rn at least for mogami she feels bad against torp and cv damage. any bb comp or 1 cv comps dont seem enough to kill her before she reaches backlines and that's where she can pack quite a punch

easy targets that dont move

perfect for mle to do full potential damage

[wicked rivet]

predic tions about lolidiego's tier? mine is that she's in her own tier, better than T0... Tier -1

[zenith tundra]

it depens if she is loli of kai sandy or non kai

[finite valve]

t-1 is FdG tier tho

[raw osprey]

all lolis are tier t-2

[wicked rivet]

then lolidiego is on par with FDG

ez

[shell heron]

ooooh, first time I sandbagged all 5 matches in a reset

[wicked rivet]

naicuu

my list

isnt moving

heck

smoldiego

lil diego

comin at ya

straight from the sands of san diego

boutta hit u with some

straight fire comin up from the boiling sands of the beaches

[finite valve]

think iam just going to daily the loli tbh

since they going to be perm after event

[wicked rivet]

same

its light build

and so its gonna be aight

and cheap

[finite valve]

still missing all those subs + the monitor from heavy

long way away till i can get back to light spam

zzz

[blazing scroll]

lolidiego is quest reward so I can take it easy

[finite valve]

you need to bring her on battle to get friend point

like the hunter ship

i think her name is hunter also i think?

[wicked rivet]

saving 6 exercises to 2 mins before reset in hopes that SOMEONE will move #justsandbaggerthings

made it to 5 with 45 seconds on the clock

[coral wren]

inb4 you get nagahiryu and it goes beyond a 2 mins fight

[wicked rivet]

real gamer moments

oh lawd

[sharp wing]

well, lost 1 ticket

[shell heron]

I always move 8-10 min before reset now at the chance of every match being namaryuu

[finite valve]

same bro

unless you are super aids about top 10 season

i just do 10m rush

ain't cutting it later

[sharp wing]

I'm often forget about it or get distracted or consumed into something

Not like i can't make gensui in Sandy w/ 10 missed tickets

[finite valve]

set up an alarm bro

you play on emu?

[sharp wing]

So i don't care about dozen missed tickets

[shell heron]

you think finishing 3 matches with 20m left is easy until you get distracted

[finite valve]

like i said set up an alarm like 15 or 10 min before a reset

[sharp wing]

[finite valve]

after setting up my alarm i never miss 1 again

always save my hide

[shell heron]

I tend to push it sometimes by waiting for 5m before finishing

then forget to finish

[zenith tundra]

i always start pushing around 30 mins before reset

[shell heron]

not that I do it anymore. taking a +0 is better than -10

[zenith tundra]

i never got bonuses from waiting last 10min

and always end up with full sandbagger list

[sharp wing]

I start doing around 15 mins till reset, but always get distracted in process

[wicked rivet]

i missed 1 match and ive already lost my chance at being final top 100 so

just avrora things

[sharp wing]

Well, Avrora

I might miss few and end up top 10 few times in last days

On Sandy

[finite valve]

tfw when an entire population are so competitive to the most pointless thing

just cus

[sharp wing]

Imagine gem rewards for ranks

[wicked rivet]

i mean im gonna get fleet admiral

but final top?

i wish

maybe in 4 weeks :^)

[finite valve]

i never wanted final top anyway

all i want is 2.5k then fuck off

[wicked rivet]

i do just for that bootiful screenshot

[finite valve]

not going to no life a ranking with 0 benefir

[sharp wing]

Well, i mostly dun care for final top, cause i'd need to be awake late night early morning on moday...

[finite valve]

well you can do it when rushing

just not season end tho

[sharp wing]

If i make it awake past final reset, i jsut rush all tickets even eating 8-9

[finite valve]

most of the time if i never miss any i rush at friday 2 week

[sharp wing]

i run wasd on both def and off

[finite valve]

don't need to wait till sunday

i run foxes on off meme on def

def i just say whatever and let ppl have free point

since i am going to rush week 2 anyway

[sharp wing]

I let their foxes facewall

Just against rushers

[finite valve]

i can beat either wall on a daily basic

might lose on bad RNG

or maybe like 2 3 reset when rushing on friday

not much a concern

[sharp wing]

I asked friend test his Nakaga against my wasda, he said, that was toughest fleet for him

[wicked rivet]

ty for running wasd

[finite valve]

wasd was never a wall

[wicked rivet]

you make my job much easier

[finite valve]

for me at least

foxes nuke those wall to hell and back

[wicked rivet]

wasd has always been an ez win

foxes were tough until I yeeted my enty off the team for anothher BB

[sharp wing]

wasdE adn wasdA also feel pretty different

[wicked rivet]

wasdA > wasdE from my experience

[sharp wing]

every1 just runs meta

[finite valve]

because that is true

[wicked rivet]

wasdA > wasdE from my experience

discord

stop brakinhg

[finite valve]

against WS wasd ain't going to have a place in pvp

wasd was just a wall against 2+ CV comp

against other 2 BB comp they struggle

[sharp wing]

I dun struggle

lol

HMS is easiest comp atm

mirror is worse

foxes are ez

[finite valve]

you are talking about off

i am talking about def wining vs off

[wicked rivet]

hms is a joke rn lmfao

[finite valve]

on off we can all agree that everything work

+20% is too much of a bonus

[sharp wing]

pretty much

Still, i'd say for foxes ijn easier to beat as def fleet

since no aa

At least ppl feedback was like that

WTF.... White screen bug...

And Still rng can fck u over big time

[wicked rivet]

someone in my list rushed to rank 50

e z +5

holy shit

I GOT FIVE

[sharp wing]

[wicked rivet]

anyone around 1500 rank?

how many pooints u got?

[trim horizon]

im at 1700 with 614, but it's on Sandy

[wicked rivet]

yea im on avrora

rn im at 1969 (nice) with 612

[trim horizon]

I have someone who usually rush, but he's not moving

[wicked rivet]

ono

pog champion he at rank 617 now

[sharp wing]

OwO got some1 pushed to 17

Over +500 ranks after win

[wicked rivet]

Okay thats 2 +3 and a +5

Ive almost made up for the fuckup earlier

[sharp wing]

[trim horizon]

http://prntscr.com/nv4qkq

[raw osprey]

yikes that defense fleet

[trim horizon]

just for the meme

[vague token]

lol

[trim horizon]