pvp

[vague token]

you gotta kinda feel it out

[coral wren]

well shit..

[charred sable]

Yup, rank difference gives you a good estimate, not an actual answer

[vague token]

like ive had a 500 rank difference give 0

[charred sable]

35 point difference is required for a +1 bonus

[vague token]

no biggy just a misread

[charred sable]

And 35 could be a 100 rank difference or a 1000 rank difference depending on how many people are between you two

[vague token]

im just sad match maker hasnt given me the 70 point rushers

=///

[charred sable]

There was one season where after season reset, I had to use my first 5 attacks with no bonus points cause all my opponents were inactive players :/

[vague token]

oof

[shy hazel]

its not gonna be one

the future will gradually be like that

the golden age of sandbagging is almost over

[vague token]

xD

[charred sable]

That was when I stopped stressing out about sandbagging hard cause it was way too RNG-dependent

[shy hazel]

oh i guess i cant do d0 this time

i just started d2

takes too long

[vague token]

xD

i just bought kgv on event store oh boi

time to train her up

kinda convenient im working on monarch casually atm

[coral wren]

Oh damn, so unless you get close to top 100 you will be guessing each time because ladder shows only those 100

[vague token]

more or less

you get better at guessing over time

[shy hazel]

u get a "feel" to it

[vague token]

of course

when crazy stuff happens

like 12 hour patch

or events taking everyone's attention

it gets harder

xD

[charred sable]

Co close yet so far!

[real notch]

alright first time touching base back in a while but

what's everyone's view of bismarck in PVP

[zenith tundra]

🚮

[real notch]

she looks intentionally OP

[zenith tundra]

her barrage is bugged can't hit baclines

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_F-CB1kuco&feature=youtu.be

[real notch]

guarantee crit, pseudo gunboat VG, 70% barrage, nagato CV buff, and generic fleetwide buff

[zenith tundra]

outside of that u would still need 120 for roon/printz to be fully viable

[empty sinew]

don't upgrade this for the stats

[zenith tundra]

and dunno about graf tbh

i looked it up and throw it on sub and gg @empty sinew

it's actually useful on u556

but maybe even on bismark is useful

[empty sinew]

i see, so its made for its skills

[zenith tundra]

if u have to fight 0 ammo

[empty sinew]

can't help the fact that u556 is pretty average tho 😂

[zenith tundra]

she rn has the best range for a sub tho

her barrage is mostly what brings bismark down tbh. even in pve it's better to just slap 406 on her and forget she has a barrage

[real notch]

oh that's a shame

i thought it'd be some unfairly OP barrage like amagis

[zenith tundra]

i already made a bug report for the barrage because it should at least hit enemy backlines

[coral wren]

pray so that it gets fixed

You can argue that amagi's barrage is still unfixed, but bismarck struggles even in pve with that bullshit

[zenith tundra]

i've been looking around at bug reports and the amount of bugs will push the fix quite a bit

[coral wren]

You know, now i actually wonder if bug reports here get through only if that related to client and not gameplay. Because i'm pretty sure gameplay changes are coming from cn and that barrage prob won't get fixed even if it gets 1000 upvotes unless cn says so

[zenith tundra]

it shouldn't matter because there is no way her barrage is supposed to be so short

[real notch]

i was expecting a really high-performing barrage lol

maybe even some new mechanics

of shell patterns

[zenith tundra]

nothing about it is good rn. bugged range low damage and pattern that miss a lot

[vague token]

personally id just use biscuit solo with maybe roon

maaaaybe zepp

then just use amagi and some solo carrier

post barrage fix that is

if not then lol to the bench!

[zenith tundra]

no reason to use bismark solo. she's a flagship

[real notch]

ye

[zenith tundra]

is like using nagato with ranger and enty

[real notch]

bismarck and amagi seem like a pretty decent combo

[vague token]

so? post barrage fix she has one of the better damage steroids and a 70% barrage

she's like a super duke of york

[real notch]

doesn't seem like there are any good KMS ships that'll work much in PVP though

[vague token]

where her barrage doesnt slow farthest

xD

and 100% crit on all first shots is better than 50% damage first shot of game lol

and passive 25% crit rate for the rest

[real notch]

maybe bis amagi tirpitz?

or graf

[zenith tundra]

graf gets a 20% dmg boost and 25% crit

[vague token]

yeah but id rather have like, sara fires or something

[real notch]

sara

[zenith tundra]

again bismark by herself is not good

even if they fix barrage range the dmg is still low

[vague token]

i mean she's better than most solo unbuffed bbs

not a high bar xD

just need crit damage shell

to push her up

one of the better damage boosts with that

firepower buffs? that's whack

crit rate? that's hip

;)

[ionic magnet]

forgot to use 4 more charges oh my lord

[zenith tundra]

i would try kms but only at 120 with dev 30 roon and with white shells

[real notch]

oh RIP

[ionic magnet]

9 total now

only got rank 15

[vague token]

or maybe ill try like biscuit zepp sara, sara with full speed, zepp with only junkers xD

no amagi though =/

[ionic magnet]

all these namaryuus didnt help too

[zenith tundra]

i was hoping kgv or bismark would just kill all there namaryuu but no luck

[vague token]

ijn bias yo

[zenith tundra]

i'm pretty sure is not bias

a lot of ppl just use meta stuff

[vague token]

[zenith tundra]

i would say ijn bias if u use nagato in ws kai meta

[split socket]

dev has ijn bias

[vague token]

i mean nagato/amagi/ws kai is fine

[zenith tundra]

idk about that comp thb

it might work because u make an easy 6vs5 but it shouldn't be that good if we get anything that can properly tank ws kai like fdg

[vague token]

i mean we gotta wait until they max out pr2

xD

ws kai still at least kills fdg faster than any other ship lol

[zenith tundra]

tbh i hope they release pr2 this year in en

actually in like 5 month

[vague token]

after anniversary?

[zenith tundra]

half year after pr1 i was thinking

[vague token]

ah

[zenith tundra]

half year should be enough to get 2-3 pr to max

[vague token]

yeah that sounds about right

[zenith tundra]

i need 2 203mle bps and got 0 from a 30m research

[vague token]

[coral wren]

We are 1 year behind cn/jp and there will be no accelerating according to devs

[zenith tundra]

guess time to switch servers

if they keep en 1yr behind for fun i might just quit or go play jp

[coral wren]

If i could read moon runes i'd definetelly switch to jp right after winter crown flop

[zenith tundra]

i don't think u need to read

it's same game as en

just other language

[lament lichen]

you dont need to rea. just know what to press

[zenith tundra]

i'll start playing jp as well from now

if we really don't catch up i'll give up on en

[real notch]

they're concurrently releasing new content with the other servrs

so unless they purposefully overload EN with events stacked on events

i doubt we will catch up

[zenith tundra]

i don't want to be 1 year behind on content for no reason

[real notch]

well

there is a way lol

just do events 2x as fast as all other servers

[zenith tundra]

it we get pr2 by the time they get pr3 it matter nothing

[real notch]

and release 2x as fast

[coral wren]

I'd blame en playerbase, most of them were whining on how they lack cubes and devs should make events last for 3 weeks and not 2

[zenith tundra]

events and ships is easy to catch up tbh. it's research that is the most grindy thing in the game that u need to give people access to

[real notch]

yea lmao

to me it's just like... can't do anything about it

the casuals will always be listened to over the hardcore gamers

and the casuals are saying slow the fuck down on events

kek

[charred sable]

I mean, it makes sense

AL is not in any way a hardcore game

The majority of the content is casual friendly

[zenith tundra]

casuals that don't even waste money on the game...

[charred sable]

And so that's the majority of it's player base

[ionic magnet]

2-week events will just burn out people

big pass

[real notch]

yea it makes sense and we can't do anything about it

[zenith tundra]

and now u have a 3week event that for 60k pts u need to grind d3 like 40 times max

[coral wren]

That;s fucked, casuals will come, play a few months and left, while dedicated ppl will be stuck in this pile of shit for many many months

[real notch]

so i'm not rly complaining lmao

[charred sable]

For games that work off a skin-based monetization model, it's more financially profitable to cater to the casual player base than it is to the hardcore player base

Only for heavily microtransaction based games does it make sense to cater to the hardcore player base

Cause you will have whales who spend tens of thousands of dollars

[real notch]

u don't even to specify that much, pretty much all games cater to the casuals because they are the overwhelming bigger population

[zenith tundra]

my problem is why keeping en in a permanent 1yr behind state forever

[real notch]

well, at least all games that i've ever played

[charred sable]

And those whales make up for 90% of the income

Whereas in games like these, you can event spend tens of thousands of dollars cause it's all skins and there's a limit to that

[real notch]

isn't that because EN was released 1yr behind

[ionic magnet]

^

[charred sable]

So instead you appeal to the general audience

[zenith tundra]

kr has pr2

[ionic magnet]

kr is a thing?

[coral wren]

I mean, fgo en is 2 and a half years behind, lol. And devs don't give a shit about that delay as well.

[zenith tundra]

and it's 4 month older

[real notch]

kr OMEGALUL

[zenith tundra]

who cares if it is a thing they have jp/cn content while being only 4 month older

[charred sable]

Different publisher

So different schedules

[zenith tundra]

ok makes sense i guess

[ionic magnet]

koreans are not casuals i guess

[zenith tundra]

so fuck en then since we have no devs and will never catch up

[charred sable]

The only thing that would not make sense would be for Yostar to add a new event which doesn't affect balance to JP but not to EN at the same time

[real notch]

i mean, PR1 is keeping us super busy so

it's not like we will even be able to farm PR2 if we get it lol

[charred sable]

Like adding PR2 at the same time we get PR1 makes no sense

[ionic magnet]

we are still getting new events regularly tho

[zenith tundra]

i don't want pr 2 before half year after pr1

[charred sable]

But releasing the Bismarck at the same time in both JP and EN makes sense since it's new content

[zenith tundra]

i also don't want pr2 at the same time with cn/jp pr3

[charred sable]

That said, there's a strong incentive to speed up EN

Cause the more behind EN is, the harder it is for them to patch and test the game

A big part likely of why we got PR1 bundled together with the UI update instead of separately

[real notch]

tbh

i'm pretty glad we're getting new content concurrently with CN/JP

imagine getting the amagi/UI update/bismarck event a year later

[blazing scroll]

They could've chosen to put everything on hold

[charred sable]

I'm actually just surprised we didn't also get the Meowficers as well

[zenith tundra]

amagi 1 yr later would be great

[real notch]

i think the devil is in the details here, it all depends on how well they manage playerbase pressure

[charred sable]

Cause those don't really affect gameplay that much I believe and they are kind of just a standalone feature that you turn on

[real notch]

by keeping not too much/not too little pressure to grind new events

[charred sable]

But it's probably just a "too much content at once" kind of decision

[real notch]

and choosing the right events to release and time them properly

[zenith tundra]

if u play 2-3hrs per day u shouldn't have problems

[lament lichen]

meowcifers were just a gold dump

[charred sable]

Kizuna Ai ate all my gold

[blazing scroll]

Research eats gold

[charred sable]

[zenith tundra]

people that just login to chat and complain about not having a break because they play 5 gachas at once don't actually play the game

[vague token]

xD

[real notch]

agreed there LOL

the worse is when casuals ask for advice then get mad when we tell them their idea of what's good actually sucks

[vague token]

im a genius!

oh no!

[ionic magnet]

hmm this convo made me check cubes income

we're getting 160 cubes per month from dailies/weeklies/logins

add some from events and we barely get 200 cubes per month

[zenith tundra]

new missions tomorrow lol

[ionic magnet]

few unlucky rolls and you're stuck in cube hell

[vague token]

i mean

didnt they math the average cubes for kizuna + smol boats was like 200 or something?

xD

[real notch]

errr

i spent over 600 cubes on just amagi and aurora

so i'm in cube hell even tho i don't give a shit about collection

[ionic magnet]

making events a week shorter will just give us time to get 100 cubes

50 rolls to get the bote you want?

gl with that

[charred sable]

Kizuna Ai was far more than 200 cubes

[vague token]

i think it was on reddit but i dont remember xD

[real notch]

my collection is just 78%

and i have 2 digit cubes

lmao

[empty sinew]

wow, didn't think a lot of people struggled this much with gacha

[real notch]

l u c k

[vague token]

i mean on average you're supposed to spend a lot xD

[real notch]

i also haven't missed a daily for like 5 months which is longer than some people's careers

so i'm certified NeverLucky

[zenith tundra]

i like how u get a rainbow pr bp at lvl 1

[charred sable]

Kizuna Ai was the first time since Neptunia that I had to buy cubes

And Neptunia was just me being unprepared

[empty sinew]

i used a total of 220 cubes for both kizuna, lolis + this event for everything

[real notch]

buying cubes

[empty sinew]

thank you for the mercy game

BlessRNG

[charred sable]

I used about 500 total for Kizuna Ai + chans

This event was like 160

[ionic magnet]

i spent 400 cubes on ykkz and 400 cubes on nagato which are back-to-back events

i didnt even get nagato in the end

so zero reason to me to speed up events

and yea im still salty

[real notch]

oh shit....

rest in pepperonis

F

i think i woulda quit if i didn't get amagi

[coral wren]

It's a good thing to skip collabs

[charred sable]

They can speed up events, but they also have to crank up daily rewards, the same way we got accelerated retrofit blueprints

[ionic magnet]

yea thats one way to do it i guess

[charred sable]

The issues comes when we finally do catch up

[empty sinew]

daily rewards should give more cubes, like 5 a day

[real notch]

i just do dailies for collabs

that's how i have enough to survive even my shitty luck

[charred sable]

How do you explain to an angry userbase that you are going back to "normal" rates?

[empty sinew]

so that we can net cube positive while doing event missions

[charred sable]

That's a PR disaster no matter how you spin it

[buoyant parrot]

Does anyone has an issue with this?

[vague token]

yes

[ionic magnet]

yea

[real notch]

@buoyant parrot do HM W6 or below

[ionic magnet]

i thought its just me lol

[buoyant parrot]

oohhh

so W6 below

this is stupid

[real notch]

yea

[ionic magnet]

already used up all my runs

[buoyant parrot]

same

[real notch]

was just checking #gameplay-help, that seemed to be the general answer

[buoyant parrot]

been there for 2 days now

anyway, thanks

[real notch]

[charred sable]

Yup, 6-2 did it for me

[zenith tundra]

look at that pool

[real notch]

loll

[steep fog]

I still miss the damn sub

[charred sable]

@round dome did you end up trying out attacking that HMS fleet btw?

[round dome]

50 min until next reset for me

[charred sable]

👌

[round dome]

equipment I'm planning to use btw

[real notch]

i like everything except ibuki

are foxes popular now in CN with wskai?

[round dome]

not really, but interesting to test anyway

[charred sable]

@round dome are you able to video record your phone?

[round dome]

no, but i can on emulator

[real notch]

yea i thought it'd be namagi

in that case i'd do the same comp but with louis

[round dome]

how many fights should i do? 10? 20?

[ionic magnet]

that comp looks neat 👀

yea 10-20 is fine

[round dome]

👌

[charred sable]

emulator recording would be awesome, but you dont have to record all the fight, just ones that you think showcase things well

[round dome]

👌

[charred sable]

enough to get our theorycrafting minds cranking ⚙ ⚙

[round dome]

btw i also have other maxed pvp vanguards, let me know if you want to see another combo. just no yuki

[zenith tundra]

so the paper rn is only 90 aux?

time to upgrade it then

z36 can also level past lvl 70 without lb

[round dome]

welcome to the lv100 0LB club

[ionic magnet]

wot

how

[zenith tundra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468804420801527810/582058399475171338/unknown.png

2* lvl 71

[ionic magnet]

is this a bug or what

weird

[zenith tundra]

ofc is a bug

copy pasta from cn

[charred sable]

not surprised if they just took the CN build, localized it and manually disabled a bunch of features

then forgot about a bunch of JP/EN customizations

[coral wren]

typical en, lul

[zenith tundra]

[coral wren]

JP client is free to download, right? No vpns or anything liek that?

[zenith tundra]

i used qooapp to download it

i remember not being able to download it without setting my google play to japan

it only works for z36 from what i know. bismark definitely was level capped

[round dome]

alright finished test, is there a page to submit the result? or i just post it here?

[coral wren]

dump it right here

[charred sable]

@round dome photos can go on Imgur. For videos, you can do YouTube preferrably, or somewhere else

[round dome]

1, lose 4:10
2, lose 4:09
3, lose 4:11
4, lose 4:13
5, lose 4:08
6, win 4:06
7, win 4:18
8, lose 4:08
9, win 4:18
10, lose 4:07
11, lose 4:07
12, lose 4:18
13, win 3:49
14, win 4:05
15, win 4:07
sorry about the format, i don't know the correct
2 recordings:
https://youtu.be/LZ1kbvtxv44
https://youtu.be/i4QvznG2fmo

[charred sable]

damn, that win/loss ratio xD

[round dome]

6 wins and 9 loses, not looking good

[charred sable]

looks like the defence team is pretty solid as I suspected

time to watch the videos and see what happened

[round dome]

from what i've seen, the biggest problem is akagi's survival, she can't live long enough when monarch+waikai focusing her,
or, enemy neptune just won't die, causing kaga's torp going everywhere

but that's also because of akagi died too early imo...

[charred sable]

actually, in the win video, the reason Monarch got deleted was not due to WS but due to lucky opening torpedo crits

already down to 20% HP before anything else happened, just from torpedoes

[zenith tundra]

5k dmg from ibuki wtf?

[charred sable]

yeah, thats some ridiculous torpedo power

[ionic magnet]

damn those 4.9k torps

[zenith tundra]

she also was the one to last the longest in vg

[ionic magnet]

add jintsuu in and you got 7k crits xD

[charred sable]

Warspite wasnt even needed lol

[zenith tundra]

u cannot buff ibuki

[ionic magnet]

oh right

[zenith tundra]

with jintsuu

[ionic magnet]

[charred sable]

well now we see the power of Ibuki's torpedoes, totally wasn't expecting to find that out from these videos lol

[zenith tundra]

still unusable till 120 tho

or not at max capacity

[ionic magnet]

@round dome can you try ibuki-aurora-juneau instead

[round dome]

it's kind of too unreliable imo... the best result would be super good, but worst is super bad

sure

[zenith tundra]

@round dome how are u dc from internet so u don't submit score?

[charred sable]

but yeah, Ibuki's torpedoes seem to RNG. Its like relying on Ayanami torpedoes

he's using an emulator

[zenith tundra]

i'm asking how not what he's using

[round dome]

i just turned off wlan on my pc when fights started

[zenith tundra]

ah lol

[charred sable]

as for Warspite Kai, it looks the snipe damage isn't as OP as you'd think. Best case scenario takes down half HP? So definitely needs follow up or boost

[ionic magnet]

if you turn it back on, you still get the score if you win?

[zenith tundra]

she's op against medium armor

[round dome]

yeah, so i closed the game before i turned it back on

so nothing got submited

[ionic magnet]

hmm does it work on phone

[zenith tundra]

ofc

[charred sable]

even with a QE buff, you'd need more power still to guarantee kill something, but it definitely puts you at a big advantage

[zenith tundra]

it's actually easier imo u just press data/wifi button

[ionic magnet]

damn what am i doing with my life

[zenith tundra]

ikr

i feel dumb now

[charred sable]

actually, no, on phone it doesn't entirely work

cause to turn off your data, the app loses focus

[ionic magnet]

[charred sable]

and when you return to the app, it does a network check

unless you have a way to toggle network without leaving focus from the app

[zenith tundra]

i can do that

[ionic magnet]

i'll try next reset

[modern tree]

you can do it super easy on android

[charred sable]

at least on my Pixel 3 I can't

toggling airplane mode or data/wifi immediately make the "Network connection failed. Reconnect now?" pop-up appear

[round dome]

juneau in tank position, then aurora, ibuki last. does it sound ok? @ionic magnet

[zenith tundra]

yeah seems like u have to see the message but i think u can let the battle end

[ionic magnet]

yep

[round dome]

👌

[charred sable]

oh, yeah, you can just watch the battle through the dialog I guess lol

but at that point you're already watching and can just press the pause button 😛

[zenith tundra]

u can see at least if u win or lose

and no chance of losing anything

[charred sable]

but anyway, Akagi + Kaga + Warspite to me doesn't feel strong enough if it doesn't guarantee an initial kill. I'm wondering about Warspite + QE + KGV now

since KGV hits backline, I just dont know how hard at 120 and max skill

[modern tree]

kgv is not a killy boat

[vagrant veldt]

what about Ibuki in best torpedo position 1st or 2nd give up juneau and add yukikaze for more torpedo damage and later stages

[modern tree]

the only thing KGV is bringing to the lineup is maybe shooting mark on second salvo and barrage at 24

[charred sable]

what I meant is KGV's barrage guarantee hits the backline right?

[modern tree]

yeah but its like 4 shells to flag and 2 shells to flanks

[round dome]

i have no yuki so can't do that

[charred sable]

so combined with Warspite's sniping and HMS stat buffs, will it maybe be enough to kill 1 target?

even though its 24s in

[modern tree]

at 25 warspite shoots again so its hardly sniping

[round dome]

did one fight, it's not looking good
https://youtu.be/rG_6TzamJhc

[charred sable]

Enemy Warspite: 4:50, then 4:35. KGV would shoot at 4:36, so yeah, derp me xD

[round dome]

nuked opponent's juneau but still lost

[charred sable]

@round dome do you have a traditional Kagato/Amagi/Hiryuuki Kai setup?

[round dome]

yup, nagato, amagi, akaga, hms fleet, enty, you name it

no wasd tho...

[ionic magnet]

hmm jun died late

but her heal is not enough anyways it seems

[charred sable]

hmm, what was the comp I wanted to see in action earlier

Warspite, Amagi, Hiryuu I think it was?

Amagi mid, Hiryuu across from enemy Monarch, Warspite diagonal from Monarch.

against this comp though, I dont think it'll be particularly effective, but it will guarantee an early Hiryuu proc due to enemy Warspite

[round dome]

can do, what opponent you want? now i have nagato-amagi-warkai/nakaga/hood+centaur+warkai and the HMS i just fought

[charred sable]

oh wait, actually, if you have a Nagato / Amagi / Warspite Kai opponent, lets see the HMS fleet from the attacker perspective

so you'd run Warspite / QE / Hood (with Warspite targetting enemy Amagi)

that was my original curiosity actually - seeing the HMS setup from both defence and attack perspective

[round dome]

sure. this one is not very optimized tho, but i guess it works?

[charred sable]

probably be fine, as long as the wins arent due to their frontline folding

[round dome]

so i equip QE defensively and let her take enemy warkai's shots, then use aurora+juneau+neptune vanguard, is it ok?

[charred sable]

yup

thanks again for taking the time to do this for us

[round dome]

np, i love pvp

[charred sable]

the theory behind this should be Warspite marks the target, then QE + Hood + Warspite's accelerated main guns focus fire whoever, even if they arent maximized for damage

and if the target mark sticks, should drop 1 backliner

so Im almost thinking you'd want to use the reload guns over damage guns, but would have to experiment for optimizing that

[round dome]

alright here we go

[charred sable]

[empty sinew]

not focusing hood and ws on the same target?

[charred sable]

oh wait, right

[safe meteor]

a damn, i get 4x warspite from the event construction

[charred sable]

can you swap Hood with QE

[safe meteor]

still no Bismarck

[round dome]

wait... he changed into a normal HMS team 🤦

[charred sable]

wait, nvm, thats just a normal HMS team lol

Hood should still be in the middle

cause we're not relying on Hood's laning here but Warspite Kai's target marking

since if Hood is on top, after taking out the top target, her barrage damage becomes wasted

[round dome]

alright im dumb... i clicked the wrong opponent.... i'll go as planned

[charred sable]

I think the last test I'd want to see is standard Nagato + Akagi + Kaga against the enemy WS + QE + Monarch defence team to see how well it holds/stalls

if its stalls or blocks sufficiently, Id say that should be the go-to defence setup as there will always be Nagato + Akagi + Kaga attackers during the gensui rush period who'll do attacks without checking defence

[round dome]

👌 i did 3 fights and seems the hood+QE+warkai is doing very well. even nep+aurora got nuked by ibuki in the very beginning, i still won

[charred sable]

can you record a video with the camera focused just on the enemy backline?

[round dome]

👌

[charred sable]

so ignore the vanguard vs vanguard shenanigans xD

since that's too RNG anyway

[round dome]

uploading

https://youtu.be/oTfANsiA-5M @charred sable

[charred sable]

perfect

that played out almost exactly as I imagined it

[zenith tundra]

namagi ws kai 🚮

just as expected tbh

[charred sable]

yup, Warspite Kai doesn't have any synergy with IJN, as expected, but I was more interested in seeing how the barrages from the HMS side lined up regardless of opponent

[round dome]

i think even i didn't equip QE defensively, the result won't be very different, since her buff is still effective after she dies

[charred sable]

Hood's reload buff definitely becomes important now cause of just adding in faster shots to the marked target

even though they arent as strong attacks, its enough to clear Warspite's target

@round dome ok, last test - standard offensive Nagato + foxes rush against the first HMS team. Just want to see how long they can stall for and what the loss ratio is. No need for video, just try it out a few times and record times + win/loss like you did earlier

[round dome]

👌 but i have no yuki so what vanguard shall i run? jintsuu+sendai+aurora?

[charred sable]

yeah, that should be good

Yukkikaze would actually make the fights slower xD

[round dome]

so i go double oxy torps on jintsuu? or more defensively?

[ionic magnet]

@round dome do you have monarch?

[round dome]

yeah, maxed

[ionic magnet]

can you try monarch hood ws instead

wanna see how it plays out w/o qe

[shy hazel]

@vague token do me a favor

and use all your rounds

[round dome]

👌 i'll do it after the current test

[charred sable]

@round dome pure offensive Id say. We want to simulate a gensui rush xD

[round dome]

👌

[ionic magnet]

alright xD

[charred sable]

@ionic magnet Hood's barrage has more spread than Monarch's right?

cause I remember Monarch's being lane control, hence why she gets put opposite to WS

[ionic magnet]

actually monarch is wider

tho its really close

theyre p much the same

[charred sable]

yeah, I never remembered which you'd want in the center of the two

[ionic magnet]

hmm not sure on that too but i guess hood center so hood dont need to tank ws kai

[charred sable]

probably Hood in the middle since she's medium armor, to avoid Warspite?

[ionic magnet]

cos hood has med armor

yep

i just wanna see how much qe buffs their salvos/barrage tbh

[charred sable]

I really do want to see a Monarch + KGV + Warspite Kai setup, but that wont happen for a while

[ionic magnet]

cos 120 meta has big numbers so qe should be more useful there than 110 meta

[charred sable]

not til next week at least

yeah, 15% damage boost on Warspite's snipes should be no joke. Plus just the general reload buff making all 3 backlines pump out shots faster

[round dome]

sorry for the delay, got a phone call @charred sable

results:

1. close win 4:10
2. lose 4:18
3. win 4:20
4. lose 4:17
5. lose 4:08
6. win 4:13
7. win 4:13
8. win 4:11
9. lose 4:09
10. win 4:23

used normal nakaga loadout so akagi dies really fast, win rate should go up if optimized

@ionic magnet hood center and monarch to tank warkai for the test?

[charred sable]

hmm, so about break even. That's not bad at all, especially given that the HMS team you're fighting isn't fully optimized for defence

[modern tree]

I think that Monarch tanking WS is optimal because reload buff + Monarch sinking after taking down the ship in front of her is acceptable sacrefice

Hood has bad armour to tank anyway

[round dome]

alright, do i use same vanguard to my opponent or someone else? he's using belfast+juneau+nep

[charred sable]

might as well to eliminate variables

[ionic magnet]

@round dome yea hood center

for vg its w/e no big deal imo

[round dome]

i'll use same ships then

[ionic magnet]

tho i'd pick a stall vg also

[charred sable]

yeah, the more I think about it, the more I want to see a Warspite Kai / KGV / Monarch setup. With 120 numbers, I feel like it could be strong enough to compete with the current IJN meta, even against a Hiryuu Kai

[modern tree]

HMS doesnt need anything special to compete with IJN tbh

[charred sable]

guess we'll see in one week? Or however long it takes to max out KGV

I dunno, looking at the CN top 30, Im still seeing a strong IJN presence

[round dome]

well, on offense i think that's very doable, but on defense it would be hard, since offender can always use hiryuu to soak 15s of damage...

[modern tree]

popularity =/= strenght

[charred sable]

its the end of the season, on the main CN server

[modern tree]

but tbh, if you are just looking to be a dick on defense, you will never step away from Hiryuu

it's actually impossible to do better than that

[charred sable]

Run Hiryuu / Enterprise / Eldridge

[modern tree]

because at worst Hiryuu stalls for extra 15 seconds and at best she forces a reset because lul airstrikes

[charred sable]

@balmy torrent its on defence, your goal is to make them rage and reset 😛

Hiryuu, Enterprise, ??? / Eldridge, Yukkikaze, Sandy Kai?

whats a 3rd stall backline

hm, then I guess Fortune xD

naw, Fortune will melt before her first proc

in any case, off to sleep with me, Ive been sitting in front of the computer in my pajamas these past 3hrs lol

[round dome]

o7

[charred sable]

@round dome thanks again for the data + videos! Ping me once you get your KGV up and maxed, I'd love to see some tests with WS Kai/Monarch/KGV combo at lvl 120

[ionic magnet]

[round dome]

👌 probably gonna take a while tho, now she's 50 ish and running commissions XD

[round dome]

@ionic magnet got the result for 10 fights

1. win 3:52
2. win 3:36
3. win 3:51
4. win 3:55
5. lose 3:51
6. win 3:56
7. win 3:56
8. win 3:25
9. win 3:48
10. lose 3:48

[ionic magnet]

oh did you record any fight?

[round dome]

seems sticking to QE is a better idea

yeah, uploading need a while

[ionic magnet]

wanna see one fight

cool

[round dome]

shit it's corrupted... let me do a new fight XD

[ionic magnet]

this is against namagi warkai yea?

[round dome]

emmmmm, it's against HMS....

[ionic magnet]

oh

qe warkai monarch?

[round dome]

yup

[ionic magnet]

actually i just wanna see how much does their salvos/barrages do with and without qe

no need to test multiple times i guess

[round dome]

i can do a quick fight

👌

[ionic magnet]

👌

[round dome]

https://youtu.be/TDLf2PhClw4 this is against the HMS fleet, since i uploaded it anyway

[ionic magnet]

funny how your VGs are still so healthy

so this is w/o qe

[round dome]

https://youtu.be/UaibNssXikQ here we go

[ionic magnet]

alright ty ty

let me see

[modern tree]

I wasn't following, is QE better or worse to use at 120

[round dome]

imo she's better, for the current meta

[modern tree]

Good, tell em. I have to fight those guys shitting on QE every day

[round dome]

mostly because her buff is still effective after she died...

so just gearing her defensively then put her at the most dangerous position XD

[ionic magnet]

yes she's better at 120

600 dmg difference on first ws barrage

and adds 200+ dmg per BB salvos

no other hms bote should be able to cancel that out

i can now justify oathing her

[elder crane]

Well, a barrage boat would, but not on focused damage
And ofc Dork somewhat does so in a way
Main thing is though, I think, is that in the current meta, it's pretty much impossible to not get something focused down fast, and QE is one of the few (maybe the only? Hiryuu also sorta, can't think of anyone else) ships that still has high utility after sinking early (and is pretty tanky)

Ugh, I really don't like her chara design though....

[modern tree]

her default sprite is eh, anniversary skin waiting room

[ionic magnet]

its mostly cos of war kai

[modern tree]

at least her chibis are cute

[ionic magnet]

if both shots land, thats already equivalent to 1 BB shot

hood barrage is good and all but she suffers from low salvo dmg

and dork is well, too random

[modern tree]

Hood barrage is super unreliable vs Amagi

more often than not its worse than just shooting

reload is nice, but you get that from QE

[ionic magnet]

qe ws monarch it is

i wonder how kgv fits tho

[elder crane]

I doubt KGV fits at all

[modern tree]

KGV might be pretty good because of the vg pressure with quad

and shes pretty tanky on flag with qe

because 35% more eva and other garbage

[ionic magnet]

i mean who to replace

monarch?

oh my

[modern tree]

and her second quad shot gonna be landing on marks

[elder crane]

Monarch if you replace anyone, probably

which is.... ehh....

[modern tree]

might not be better than Monarch

[ionic magnet]

tough choice

cos both waifu

yea we'll have to wait to see i guess

[elder crane]

Maybe replace QE? but again, one ship gets focused down fast anyways so might as well run QE, since otherwise the focused ship doesn't contribute much

KGV barrage is also pretty weak, even with the 356 it's only about 1k base

also I'm skeptical if the 356 is even the best gun on her for PvP

[ionic magnet]

ill prolly stick to qe at 120

so gonna use kgv until then

[elder crane]

I think it's more, with/without WSkai

[ionic magnet]

yea youre right

which came first anyways

120?

[elder crane]

without the WSkai focus, QE's slot is more open
With WSkai, whatever you put in the focused slot gets killed quickly and so might as well put in QE there since her buff, which is what you use her for, stays

120 came by far first

[modern tree]

I am pretty sure quad has to be the best on KGV because of the reload buff, because even if its a worse gun, you are pushing twice as many shells early, and you are only losing DPS at like 40 seconds

[ionic magnet]

good enough then

still plenty of time

[elder crane]

Also her barrage boost isn't insignificant
Timing puts her outside of WSkai targeting on her first shot with the 356 as well, which will eventually be a consideration (though pretty sure you don't want the 356 targeted at main anyways)

[modern tree]

but the second shot should be hitting the mark

[round dome]

actually i think the replaceable ship is monarch... 0 luck hurts... but i do doubt KGV can take her place...

[modern tree]

first shot will probably bruise the VG a lot, second will land on mark

then you start losing dps, but you will push 24 shells and a barrage

[elder crane]

Yeah, monarch will defs be the ship to drop in Monarch/WSkai/QE

[ionic magnet]

and you dont wanna replace a ship you grinded for

[blazing scroll]

0 lucks means you gotta grind some more

[elder crane]

the barrage of KGV is pretty weak though, about 1k base, and the armour mods don't make up for it
we'll have to see on the pattern as well ofc, but so far it doesn't seem particularly special there

[modern tree]

pattern is really good

[elder crane]

is it?

[round dome]

eh, warkai's mark only grants to attract first shot, second and third are random like usual...

[ionic magnet]

i gotta say kgv is p good in pve

[elder crane]

Huh, nice and wide in a line, interesting

[ionic magnet]

her salvos/barrage timings are spread out so she hits mobs more frequently

[elder crane]

so she basically needs flag for max effect

[modern tree]

you'd want her there anyways because 20% more defensive stats

[elder crane]

I don't really like it in the end I think
Her barrage base damage is low already, spreading it out like that...
as far as I can see, the shots don't splash 2 ships at once?

Also the 2nd set of 5, seems to have 2 hard miss?

[modern tree]

it looks like 4 shells hitting flag and 2 per flank

[elder crane]

oh yes, 1+1 on flank, 2+2 on flag

ehhhhhh, damage seems very meh

[modern tree]

she was lvl 23 vs 110 flag and lvl 1 barrage

[elder crane]

oh, I mean maxed full based on the numbers

[modern tree]

138 base per shell

but she can get like 700FP or something stupid with QE

[elder crane]

138 base with torpedo armor mods iirc

but still probably lower than monarch's per-shot, or at best equal, since Monarch is 158 base and BBAP mods

how many does monarch land in PvP again?

[modern tree]

noooo clue

[elder crane]

She has 13 shots base, but a kinda wide spread, monarch

[zenith tundra]

at lvl 120 with 1 white shell and qe kgv can reach 800 fp

[elder crane]

Monarch is already almost 700 iirc...

so not that big of a difference there

[zenith tundra]

they have same base fp so the difference is the 20% extra kgv gets

[elder crane]

The barrage numbers I think actually end up slightly in favour of KGV in per-shot damage, vs heavy armour

vs med Monarch still wins out ofc
And Monarch's is tied to main gun instead of the 24s of KGV, and so fires hers more often

unless I'm mixing up who has the torpedo mods on their barrage

[zenith tundra]

kgv only gets 100% on medium while monarch 130%

[elder crane]

ok, didn't mix it up

[zenith tundra]

80 100 130 for torp

[elder crane]

do you know how many shots of her barrage Monarch usually lands?

[zenith tundra]

i have no clue about monarch tbh

[ionic magnet]

i would test but no charges

oh wait the jp guy tested monarch a while ago

hmm i counted 5 shots

maybe 6 if i missed any

https://youtu.be/UaibNssXikQ

can check here

around 20s

[elder crane]

oh wow that's surprisingly bad

[ionic magnet]

its the same dmg as 1x warkai barrage

sadly his hood never procced here so cant compare

[modern tree]

hood barrage being mediocre is fine because reload buff

but Monarch is just a fat boat with barrage, so if her barrage is meh then it's pretty bad

[zenith tundra]

if anyone is interested this are missions v2 in jp
https://imgur.com/a/hUccmVg

we get them tomorrow

not much changed in the important ones it seems

[modern tree]

the important part is that you dont have to complete one, claim it, then start others

[zenith tundra]

i think they made core data now directly related to hm maps but can't really read. it's no longer tied to other stuff

[modern tree]

also fyi in case subs come to pvp, the certificate for 556/bisco gives 556 extra ammo so u boat wolfpack is probably the best set of subs going forward

[zenith tundra]

it does increase ammo but it's not written in the description

nor in stats

[modern tree]

it's really good. I do wonder whats the percentage for 0 ammo when held on bisquit tho

[zenith tundra]

from 50 to 35%

i asked in help

30% more damage at 0 ammo for main fleet pretty much

[elder crane]

It's a not-insignificant boost

Also u556 with the certificate now has the highest sub range level in EN

[odd schooner]

So 356mm is the go to maingun even for pvp on kgv?

[elder crane]

everyone else is still at 2 max, she's at 3

Probably so

[zenith tundra]

yeah it's good for both

[odd schooner]

I just did the event today

[elder crane]

PvE boss, mk6 is still probably best on her

PvE mobs, she now has the newest best damage timeline I think

356 perfectly alternates with barrage, and 1st shot comes out early

better timeline than Wash even, since she doesn't have an initial delay

ofc Amagi might still just be superior cause Amagi

[steep fog]

wow ignoring my waifu hood

♿

[elder crane]

Hood in PvE mobbing is outdated af nowadays

[steep fog]

I still use her regularly

[elder crane]

Tbh, I do too, it's not like she's all of a sudden bad now, just no longer an optimal choice mostly

[modern tree]

she feels pretty optimal to me

[blazing scroll]

I used hood for EX

[vague token]

donald trump is 51 points ahead of me and im at 5 matches

gonna have to be strategic

xD

save all my refreshes for final set

[zenith tundra]

i would still use 1 maybe 2 if u have good chances for bonuses

[vague token]

ill wait until after this one see if the people i have rush, otherwise ill just attack after like 30 minutes to get some new people

[zenith tundra]

so cheap

[coral wren]

wtf, they can jsut buy those bps?

[vague token]

wait what, bps in medal store!?

give

[modern tree]

I have not seen one on EN yet

maybe they will add them tomorrow with daily quest streamline : )

[split socket]

makes sense since they have PR2 going on too

[zenith tundra]

i too think it's because of pr2

[hot tinsel]

JP didn't have BPs in the medal exchange when PR2 hit. It was there long before PR2 hit.

[round dome]

CN has it long before PR2

[hot creek]

EN getting boned, whats new.

[wicked rivet]

They'll get added eventually

They probly weren't in the store right after CN and JP got PR1

[charred sable]

🍮

[real notch]

ye i fought this guy

is he you?

[vague token]

lol

[charred sable]

As if I'm lvl 110

[vague token]

i saved my refreshes for this day

maybe i can sneak to top 10

xD

[hot creek]

I already had to burn three today because it was giving me lower ranked players at 8/10

[vague token]

oof

[vague token]

i can get to top 10 looks like but definitely not first, meiru has 2565 and im at 2511 with 5 matches

too bad i lost a match before all the shenanigans xD

[shell heron]

Aww now I'm sad about -5. My season end score could have been 2597

[vague token]

oooof

[shy hazel]

i wonder if sumire will still move

👀

two more rounds and i can get 2 bonuses

[shy hazel]

mm my score is too low to care

might as well finish it

-5 too op

[modest elbow]

man, your scores are so high

this is lex as of now, i'm out of attempts

[vague token]

xD

i usually expect the top peeps to hit 260x but they all got by 12 hour patch

[coral wren]

My final score is 2482. 😦

78 points out of 1st.

Thanks, extended maintenance.

[charred sable]

Avrora is totally going to hit 2.6k since there were a few casual sandbaggers that managed to avoid getting fked by maintenance

oh wait, I have 5 attacks lol

so I will also be 78 points out

[abstract cypress]

nerds

2k pts from top ranker halp

[charred sable]

[coral wren]

@charred sable RIP

[wicked rivet]

[coral wren]

Hopefully this next season I won't get fucked by maintenance, forget to use two exercises before update, or drop three battles to flukes.

[hot creek]

I'm not even sure if I should bother taking a screenshot of Sandy top 10

like I do every season

[zenith tundra]

u can see top rushers

[vague token]

xD

[blazing scroll]

I guess this is the best I can get with -16 attacks

[modest elbow]

ded pvp server

[ionic magnet]

sandbaggers got hit hard

[zenith tundra]

i barely reached 2509 pretty sure lost like 9 attempts

[ionic magnet]

lets see how many peeps will get extra charges again

[shy hazel]

holy crap

[coral wren]

@charred sable Do you always want to spend 5 attempts out of 10 in order to go max sandbag and even further beyond?

[shy hazel]

kiro is top 10

who said -5 can stop stella

top 7 か

fam is top 1 again

[charred sable]

@coral wren Its entirely based on your planned strategy, which revolves around your free time and physical schedule

the ideal strategy is to reload the game (e.g. kill and restart) every 30 minutes and check the far left opponent and see (or guess) if they have a 35 or more point lead on you and if so, attack them

in practice... that's a bit hard to do, cause, you know... real life 😂

sandbagging is a cumulative thing, not a one-shot trick

@ionic magnet See the pinned chart for checking if they fked up the servers again and anyone got free attacks. Essentially the max points you can get right now is about 140. If they have 150 or higher, they had extra attacks

[vague token]

lost 2 games got 10th

only the finest of 12 hour patches

i got carried xD

[coral wren]

Hm, but when season starts is it better to w8 for 10 attempts and them move to maximize points gain?

[charred sable]

there's no really "better" or "worse"

its all "pray to RNGesus"

[coral wren]

I see then, thx

[hot creek]

no

you wait and see if anyone is pushing in the first 5 mins or so

in your initial list

[charred sable]

offer up your first-born Bismarck

[hot creek]

usually you get somebody

if not, refresh opponents

after your first match you should be able to catch other rushers

since you'll be matched up with people who have points

[shy hazel]

i dont rely on rng

consistency is the mother of all good things

[hot creek]

and usually it becomes it chain reaction you can get three matches +33, +32, +30 or something

[shy hazel]

getting no pluses is also a chain reaction

[coral wren]

it's +1 per 35 points difference, right?

[shy hazel]

just sandbag throughout pvp

beginning rounds are different

[coral wren]

So in order to get +33 it should be like a 1155 points difference

[hot creek]

no in early season the requirement for bonus points is much lower

[lament lichen]

just see if they are over 100 points

[lament lichen]

its like 15 point difference right now

[charred sable]

yeah, the requirements are lower, I need to figure out exactly what it is

[hot creek]

my first opponent had 120 point and i got +33 out of it

[charred sable]

yup, 15 points per bonus seems abount right

[hot creek]

second opponent is 91 point ahead and i got +31

[lament lichen]

then its just add one more point per rank

[charred sable]

at what point does it change?

from +1/15 to +1/35

[hot creek]

it slowly goes up as titles are earned

until later half of the season

[lament lichen]

it should be +2 points per rank or so

theres like 10 ranks excluding admiral( top 1000 stuff)

[zenith tundra]

there is quite a jump to the +35 from rank before it

[hot creek]

first three matches right now with 120/91/60 point gap just got me +33/+31/+29

[coral wren]

Eeh, over 700 rank difference, +33

Damn it's so ass when you can't check how many points your opponents has unless he is in top 100

[lament lichen]

just look at their rank

[hot creek]

just did my fourth match, 39 pt gap got me +27

[lament lichen]

anyone not a private would give you bonus

[coral wren]

Yep, doing it. Another problem is, i don't know if lvl 30-50 will move at all and ppl above 70 will sandbag or not so i guess it's better to just reset lobby every hour if there is no movement at all

[ionic magnet]

resetting can backfire too cos you can get people who already used their charges

[coral wren]

Yep, that is what i'm kinda afraid of

[ionic magnet]

it all comes down to rng tbh but you can minimize that effect by hardwork

[hot creek]

if im stuck with only one or two matches done and looks like no one in list pushing anymore ill still reset and look out for tryhard defense fleets or foxes

but not too much of a tryhard defense fleet

cause they might be sandbagger

[modern tree]

Resetting does not do anything. You do not go back in time to catch people that have not played yet. Your current set is as likely to push as the one you get after reset

[coral wren]

there is 12 hours untill second reset, so during those 12 hours you kinda have to guess if in the middle of a day there are still ppl in your lobby who will move all of a sudden

[hot creek]

well if you land on four new players after your match, they have much lower chance of pushing

cause no competent fleet and they might not even know they can exit matches without penalty

so they take a loss

so yeah, refresh opponents

[charred sable]

hm, we should figure out the exact values and update the wiki

[ionic magnet]

i only reset when im sure theres a hardcore sandbagger in my list. just like this

[charred sable]

cause right now the wiki just says +1/35 point diff

[zenith tundra]

lol

[zenith tundra]

i'll push by the end of the next reset don't worry

[coral wren]

Oh, btw, if you push by the end of the next reset, you do not lose potential points? Like, new opponents will not be matched based on your current rank/points but randomly, right?

[shy hazel]

fight me

[coral wren]

So it possible to get max points even if you attack in last 5 mins?

[shy hazel]

hms is the future they say

i say ill just use whats mainstream

[charred sable]

HMS being the future pivots on KGV I think

[ionic magnet]

@coral wren your opponents are based on your current score so the higher your rank gets, the harder to get bonus pts

[charred sable]

inb4 Bismarck's barrage gets fixed and OMFG OP BROKEN NERF PLZ

aka Amagi 2.0

also, QE needs a retrofit

[coral wren]

Ah, then it's a bad thing..

[ionic magnet]

replace aurora with juneau

or you still dont have jesus

[zenith tundra]

bismark numbers on barrage are low no way she would deal that much

[charred sable]

what if both her numbers AND pattern are bugged?

[zenith tundra]

so they put wrong barrage in game

lol

[ionic magnet]

then devs should be fired

[coral wren]

barrage of a common tier boat

[charred sable]

Bismarck was actually a common tier boat

but they made such a big deal out of him that he couldn't correct the fact

[coral wren]

But i don't think there are any bbs who can't land their barrage on an enemy

[charred sable]

so he just rolled with it

[hot creek]

remember, nobody gets shit unless they're IJN.

[quaint ferry]

I'll never understand ALs shitty pvp point system

Did the 5 matches, got 129 points, meanwhile top 10 has 142-138 shit makes no sense

[coral wren]

Did ijn boats get some special dev service?

[quaint ferry]

Instead of giving me very high rank matches I was facing people just 10 ranks higher than me

[charred sable]

@quaint ferry because Manjuu doesn't care about PvP

[quaint ferry]

i know but still. I wanna be in top 10 once peepoHappy

[ionic magnet]

there's no mention of bonus pts ingame

[charred sable]

the current system is effort-based, not strength-based

[quaint ferry]

I never said anything about Strength tho

[ionic magnet]

you gotta do your research first

[charred sable]

its really not a "proper" PvP ranking system by most standards of measurement

[quaint ferry]

@coral wren IJN is pretty broken

[charred sable]

oh, I had assumed there was some mention of "bonus points" somewhere in the help menus (not that I ever read those)

[ionic magnet]

yea theres no explanation of pvp pts at all

[quaint ferry]

I can imagine someone asking the devs about pvp and the devs having a confused face like "We have a pvp?"

[charred sable]

"what's a PvP? Is that slang for a new lewd skin we're going to release?"

[quaint ferry]

Another Cygent and Ayanami skins? Well shucks we gotta do it

[shy hazel]

cygnet is still skin champ i think

inb4 she also the first one to get second retrofit

[quaint ferry]

Ayanami I think holds the record with Cygnet being second

I can see Cygnet getting another retrofit

[coral wren]

Eh, 1 new player and 3 over lvl 70, noone moved so far...

[hot creek]

I probably would have refreshed opponents but its too late for that now

[charred sable]

To attack or not attack...

actually, should attack since he's one rank above, so guaranteed 100 points

+29, good enough

[coral wren]

but its too late for that now
why

Because there is a chance all who could have moved already did so and so the system will sort me with more new ppl who either don't care or sandbagers?

[hot creek]

exactly

refreshing into a sandbagger at this point is not bad though

garunteed something towards the end of the next reset

unless they're hardcore and do their matches in last 7 mins

like me

[charred sable]

Here's an updated chat adjusted with the larger initial bonus points boost

Yeah, now to wait til tomorrow's reset

[zenith tundra]

isn't base 25 at lowest rank?

in the chart is +28

[coral wren]

Hmm, but isn't doing your matches in last 7 mins risky? Like, you get max points on your first attack, but your next lobby is kinda 50/50 if you get new players or sandbaggers who also want to attack in the last minute?

[hot creek]

yeah I don't actually do that anymore. Not since namagiryuu cancer meta

[charred sable]

I think its 28 for first rank

letme check

[zenith tundra]

i always try to end my attempts before last 15mins. easy bonus from rushers afterwards

i think multiple people including myself found out 25 being base

[charred sable]

Gogo JP dummy account, I believe in you!

[zenith tundra]

i just attack lvl 120 for easy exp

[coral wren]

The only problem i see with that is the luck you require to get sorted with sandbaggers and not afk ppl on your next attack when you got max points from that one dude who you got in lobby with at the start. And namagiryuu yes 😄 even mirror might take a few resets and so you risk of losing all your attempts that are left

[zenith tundra]

10% win rate XD

[charred sable]

lol +26 points

so probably yeah, 25 is base

fixed

[zenith tundra]

that max score is so

almost 2.7k

[charred sable]

2.7k is probably possible

but to get bonus points on every one of your attacks...

[zenith tundra]

i'm not sure the last attempts can give +1 tbh. even if someone is following the same path there is no way for u to get a 35 difference for bonus in the last 3 attempts

if u have xx00 pts for example with only 3 attempts left to use anyone else cannot have more then xx00+30 on same progression and +30 is not enough for a +1

[ionic magnet]

its not possible since you'll be eating a lot of +9s and +8s if you get too far from others' score

if you want to know the max possible score you just need to look at rank 1 score every season

so mostly around 2610

[zenith tundra]

technically not but practically impossible

[odd schooner]

@shy hazel did you record pvp top 10

I only saw kamita around 2568 not sure the rest

[shy hazel]

i got the list

i share later

kiroshima top 10

[odd schooner]

[shy hazel]

i knew it would be the same people again

+me

and kiro

[coral wren]

Nice, one dude moved. Oh cmon, why +30 only

[shy hazel]

hey

congratulations

you know now the essence of sandbagging

be one of us cool kids

welcome to the world of self inflicted suffering

and depression

[steep fog]

just go to wash and do pvp casually

[coral wren]

self inflicted suffering and depression
Count me in

[shy hazel]

I wont acknowledge u unless u get to at least top 30

top 31 above means youre still happy with life

[coral wren]

just go to wash and do pvp casually
Already there 😄

[shy hazel]

i should be top 1 in wash everytime if i was in wash

albeit im in avrora

where famine and kamita are kings

[coral wren]

It's weird tho, like, when someone gets waaay ahead in ranks than you, it's obviously he moved alot, but then you get your shitty bonus and you question how did that happen

[shy hazel]

you still need to get a feel of it then

well practice makes perfect

its easier to track whether u get bonuses on latter rounds

season start, its all about experience

like right now

[coral wren]

Well, i suppose general population has a big role in it, if there are a lot of casuals who don't move much, i guess then it's clear why he might get a lot of ranks even if he spent 1-2 attempts out of 5...

[shy hazel]

im rank 3k

my opponent is 2k

im gonna get about +2 bonus

from what i know

yes general population is impt

events makes ppl not do pvp

so less chnce u get a rusher

its easier to practice when theres no event

[coral wren]

Like, 90% of ppl stay on the bottom of ladder and so even 1 shitty attempt may place you above them all

Aah, ok i already can feel the depression

@steep fog what is your name? I should add you

[steep fog]

sure

[steep fog]

Alex Silver