pvp

[zenith tundra]

that would be the easiest way

[ionic magnet]

i managed to lose 5 matches even after not losing any from maint

[zenith tundra]

did u enjoy sleep or something else?

[ionic magnet]

no its all from hiryuu 1v1s lol

[zenith tundra]

[ionic magnet]

not paying attention

[zenith tundra]

5 times?

[vague token]

big yikes

[ionic magnet]

actually i think 3 1v1s and then 2 from just not noticing at all that she already proc'd final counter

[shy hazel]

[charred sable]

I always exist when it's a Hiryuu duel

Too risky

[modern tree]

Just play with a better boat. Hiryuu is for defense

[wicked rivet]

any T1/T0 BB > Hiryuu

[ionic magnet]

its not hiryuu's fault

[rain isle]

Yeah, imho hiryuu works best for defense. Juneau , Belfast and Ykk essentially hamper nakaga strikes and badly damage either your vanguard or main fleet due to defense fleet's favorable torp positioning.

So in most cases at the end it's just hiryuu on defense procing her skill and 1 or 2 attacking ships waiting for the timer to run out. If she managed to pull off another strike then it's mostly gg.

On offense her skill is too risky. I hate playing against her but I hardly use her on offense as she's not as effective as other attacking ships.

I lost 5 attempts due to maintenance and one due to being cocky and trying to squeeze in 12 points instead of resetting to a weaker opponent. Yet I still managed to reach gensui (2246 pt, Washington) right after the last reset. Now I'm rank 49 but I managed to grab those 2500 merit points.

So, from my experience having reached gensui twice now - I know, it's nothing to brag about to veterans but I'm a f2p player with only a couple of months' worth of experience, started playing shortly before Amagi/Kaga BB event - I found that Amagi/nagato/ hiryuu can be annoying to fight against , especially if you're in a rush and can't reset the battle, but she's nowhere as good in your own attacking fleet due to her RNG nature and relatively low damage output.

[ionic magnet]

i think we can all agree namagi+hiryuu is still the best def comp

for offense there's a lot of options

[charred sable]

defence comp is meaningless, offense comp is whatever meta you want as long as its got over 50% win rate xD

[ionic magnet]

but consensus is mirror is still the best unless someone tested a new comp?

[rain isle]

Yup, as defense it's the best one, as it's a pain to fight it. I generally try to reroll instead of fighting them :,P

[charred sable]

if they ever remove the attacker bonus, then you'll start seeing a far more narrowed down list of viable metas. But currently with that attacker bonus, even if you aren't top meta, you'll still win against a "stronger" meta

[modern tree]

Running Hiryuu on offense is increadibly fucking boring because she deals no damage and the only thing she does well atm is clutch against foxes, which are increasingly rare and easy as fuck to topple if you are using a real boat.

[ionic magnet]

and no, hiryuu is not a liability at all. id argue hiryuu+foxes is better than nakaga/amakaga tbh

[hot creek]

ii've just been doing my pvps earlier. can't afford to waste precious rerolls when game starts matchmaking you with lower ranked opponents while you're 7/10

[modern tree]

I literally just replaced Hiryuu with Hood, have like 80%+ winrate and games are on average a whole minute faster

[charred sable]

just run torpedo meme frontline, games will be guaranteed 1 minute faster or reset

[rain isle]

Yeah, I might give KMS a try, as Bismarck has quite a powerful skill. Just need to wait for the return of the event as I'm missing Tirpitz.

Meta only matters if you want those additional 2500 merit, because you have to be able to best the leftmost guy every single time to reach 2200 points in a timely manner.

Else just go nuts or level your lower ships.

[ionic magnet]

depends on comp i guess but hiryuu is definitely not that bad on offense

[wicked rivet]

hiryuu is still good on offense

but literally any T1/T0 BB is better

[modern tree]

I have not missed a single gensui since middle of October last year and I can assure you that "meta" is nowhere close to necesary

just dont suck

[charred sable]

What server are you on?

[modern tree]

Sandy

[charred sable]

lol

[rain isle]

Yes, she's good but there are other viable options. Mostly I'm running nakaga as it's fast. Only switching against hiryuu.

[ionic magnet]

again, its just me being an irresponsible shikikan thats why i lost
dont bully hiryuu

[rain isle]

@modern tree do you recommend waiting to score additional points with a bigger rank gap or do you simply fight the leftmost guy and win every single time?

[charred sable]

on Avrora, running meta on offence is absolutely necessary for getting Admiral of the Fleet because literally every top 50 will be running maxed out meta teams during the last 2 days and you really can't lose more than 3 fights before losing your chance. On other servers where the competition isn't nearly as high, its not so necessary and you can take it easy

[modern tree]

you are tyalking out of your ass

[wicked rivet]

ye on avrora you need a top tier fleet

but

like i said

use a good BB and you can easily take out hiryuu

[rain isle]

With my limited experience I observed that it should be possible to reach gensui this past reset in the season by simply gughtjg and running the leftmost guy every single time. But I might be wrong.

[charred sable]

@rain isle this season is a bit messed up cause of extended maintenance actually

[modern tree]

The amount of extra points to get gensui comfortably will be diferent between the servers, but as long as you are getting them, it does not actually matter that your HMS fleet takes 2 resets on average to beat the meta or whatever

[charred sable]

a lot of sandbaggers lost 50 points cause of extended maintenance

[modern tree]

if you can beat the fleet, you will get gensui because all the people that rush it, rush it because they DONT have the points to hang around there for long

just dont suck

[charred sable]

@modern tree during each reset on Avrora, if you haven't built up a huge sandbag lead, you have about a 5 minute window to get Gensui. Even a single reset makes a huge difference due to the time loss

[rain isle]

Ok, so I can just take my time and go for the leftmost guy every single time, thanks =)

What's sandbagging? Heard it used by you guys a lot but I'm still a noob and dunno what it means ^^

[modern tree]

yeah, and sandbagging takes no actual fleet

so you can do well with garbage

10% winrate is sufficent

[charred sable]

@rain isle I dont know the actual history behind the term, but it means something along the line of "stay put like a sandbag". Essentially in Azur Lane, its the strategy of not attacking until the last minute or when you can gain extra points

[modern tree]

sandbagging is just camping for point gaps so you can get an advantage

[ionic magnet]

why is it even called sandbagging

[charred sable]

it works by literally you checking your phone every half hour or hour to see if any of your opponents net you bonus points

[wicked rivet]

sandbagging = waiting for someone on your list to move so you get extra points. you get +1 for every 35 points ahead your opponent is. Typically you'd keep 5 charges in reserve so you stay far behind the top until the very end and gensui

[charred sable]

but it runs the risk of you waiting too long and losing attacks if you stop actively checking

[modern tree]

because if you repeat something often enough, people will start recognising it as a slang

and this chat just did that forever

so even tho I hate this term I was also converted

[rain isle]

@charred sable @modern tree so something like what I did this season - waited until I got 10 attempts and then the first guy was worth 33 points?

[modern tree]

it fucking conveys nothing

[ionic magnet]

lmao

[rain isle]

On the start of a season.

[charred sable]

Ive actually not heard the term prior to Azur Lane. But then again Ive also never seen any game which uses a bad ranking system like this and encourages a "strategy" like this

[modern tree]

its a good ranking system

[charred sable]

@rain isle not entirely, see https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Exercise#Ranking_and_Merit

[hot creek]

sandbag originally is a term which means "not trying" ie. you are playing against your casual friend and don't want to rekt him too hard so you sandbag.

in this context it just means not playing your games til last second.

which actually does help those gensui rushers lol

[modern tree]

which is why this system is really good

[rain isle]

Thanks for your input fellas. Fortunately I'm playing on Washington and it's pretty chill. I got kicked out of gensui quickly but I grabbed the merit so I don't care x)

Bloody event requires you to Max lb every event ship for the portrait frame. Gotta farm merit for those bulins.

[charred sable]

@modern tree depends on your measure of what defines "good". If its a measure of "dedication to the game", then yes. If its a measure of "strength of fleet", hten no

[ionic magnet]

im just pissed they introduced all those medal things and still not one includes pvp

[hot creek]

i am fine with pvp being a joke

[rain isle]

@charred sable @hot creek @modern tree thanks for your advice guys. Enjoy your weekend =)

[ionic magnet]

just give us something yostar

[charred sable]

A perfect example would be early on in the servers when people didnt fully understand how the points system worked and differences in fleet strength were vast. There'd be people with the strongest (by sheer number, like lvl 90 ships when everyone had lvl 70 ships) who would be able to easily decimate everyone else and never lost a fight but ended up low in ranks cause they didnt sandbag

[modern tree]

having a top meta fleet should not be necesary to compete, so I am happy it isnt : )

[rain isle]

It's good fun, I see it as free bulins, and opportunities to level up lower ships x)

[charred sable]

Early on in the server's lives, the winners were defined not by those who had the strongest fleet, but those who 1) put a lot of time/focus into sandbagging because 2) they knew how the point system worked. So they were winners of strategizing the points system, not winners of strategizing their fleet

but now that most people know how the point system works and mostly everyone have similar strength fleets, the winners still are those who can best sandbag

those who dont optimally sandbag can still get Admiral of Fleet, but their window for getting it is just far lower

@ionic magnet I noticed that too xD

[ionic magnet]

well you still have to make a decent fleet ofc but yea i agree sandbagging is more important than anything

[rain isle]

I took a screenshot of the top 10 guys at season start, with 5 attempts they were at 140 points directly after it started. Now, I've only seen 2 of them in the top 100 and none made gensui.

Sandbagging and maximizing points seems to be way more effective than simply being on the top early in the season.

[ionic magnet]

you can run non-meta comps thanks to that

[hot creek]

teabagging

[modern tree]

There is nothing skillful about grinding up your ships, equipment and buying rings. The game tests only your dedication this way. Camping for bonus points does not take tremendous skill to get ahea,d but does take enough skill that top players remain top despite the fact that shit is random yo. If we didnt have this layer of skill, it would literally be about who can cough up 30 bucks to oath their meta fleet

[rain isle]

@hot creek my bad, old habits die hard as an ex fps player x)

[hot creek]

sandbag so you can teabag on your server for three hours every two weeks

[rain isle]

X)

[charred sable]

yes, you can still make a functional fleet with no rare ships and use it for most of the season, but unless you sandbag, you might struggle during the last 2 days if your server is competitive. For example, you will have no problems sandbagging with a simple Akagi + Kaga + Enterprise fleet and if you actively sandbag and rack up the points, you can guarantee yourself an Admiral of the Fleet because during reset times of the last 2 days, you can take your time resetting until you win. But if you do NOT sandbag efficiently, you don't have that luxury since your window during resets to get Admiral of Fleet is extremely small, hence requiring you to have meta fleets on offence for maximal win rate chance.

Essentially if you sandbag actively, you cna run whatever fleet you want

[rain isle]

I'll just stick to sandbagging. 33 points for the first win in a season was the highest I managed. Guy was around 400 and I was roughly at 14000 x)

[charred sable]

If you casually sandbag or dont sandbag, you will want to run strong meta at the end of the season to minimize reset time (and thus maximize chance of Admiral of Fleet within that time window)

that time window depends on size/activity of your server. The larger/more active the server, the more people rushing during each reset during those last 2 days

but if you sandbag, you dont need to rush cause your final points will still be what they are (assuming you sandbagged well enough to guarantee yourself a top 10 spot)

I swear this is the most Ive used the term "sandbag" in a single hour

@rain isle you can get up to 38 points or so

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Exercise#Ranking_and_Merit 25 is the base, then you get 13 bonus points from someone who used 10 of their attacks after you waited on your first 5 attacks

[hot creek]

not on the first reset

[rain isle]

Yeah, that's what I deduced as well. Without my list poinys I would've been able to reach 2200 points 2 resets ago. But that's assuming a flat 10p per ein, which gets harder the higher you're in the ladder.

[charred sable]

wait, letme double check that math lol

[modern tree]

I think I got 39 out of 10ish attempts

pretty sure 40 is max

[ionic magnet]

i think someone posted +42

[rain isle]

@charred sable nice, thanks for the info =)

I'm just too lazy to check regularly so I simply go with the leftmost guy if his rank hadn't changed much in a couple of hours and hope the next opponent has yet to use attempts ^^

[ionic magnet]

but yea 33 is normally with 5/10

[charred sable]

someone who max sandbags after using their 10 attacks will have 250 points. So that'll give you a bonus of 250 / 35 = 7 points. 25 + 7 = 32. That doesn't sound right... I think its not +1/35 attacks at lower ranks

Ive definitely gotten 38 once, so its definitely not 35 per extra point

[rain isle]

Thanks for the table!

Chart, I'm German, my bad

[hot creek]

table is the more appropriate decription imo

both are fine though

[charred sable]

Handy reference charts for how many points you should have during different periods of the season, depending on your degree of sandbagging.
Left table can be used for checking if you accidentally missed any attacks. Middle table can be a reference for where you should be at compared to most sandbaggers. Right table can be used for estimating hardcore sandbaggers (or checking for people who've cheated/gotten extra attacks xD)

There's something inaccurate about the first few rows (for your first few attacks, its less than 35/bonus point), but its a good enough reference:

[rain isle]

I'm in the same boat mate, due to studies and EU timezone. Last reset occurs at 3 a.m. in the night so my realistic option is always second reset on Friday at 9p.m.(kinda tough, but should be possible) or Saturday morning before the first reset at 9.a.m.

I'll try for Friday second reset this coming season

Thanks for the advice and have a wunderbar weekend =)

[coral wren]

Pin those tables pls 😄

[hot creek]

mods always watching

[charred sable]

Yup, the long maintenance completely fked up this season. I don't see any of the usual sandbaggers in the top ranks

Oh, nvm, I see these two

[fringe plover]

[shy hazel]

keripo

cmon

u should realize

true sandbaggers dont appear until last day

last 3 hours

[charred sable]

[shy hazel]

the top rankers right now are casuals

101% sure

i mean i can take top 1 rn

im not even the most tryhard of sandbaggers

[charred sable]

2291 is how many points you'd get if you casual sandbagged and didn't miss any attacks, so I can believe it

2246 would be the points total you'd get if you did zero sandbagging. I lost 4 attacks to maintenance and 2 attacks to mirror matches that I weren't paying attention to (I blame my coworkers both times for coming up and asking me questions while I was doing PvP)

[lime rivet]

I casual sandbagged, but missed one attack. So checks out, I guess

[fringe plover]

I ve read that aviation oil tanks are better than steam catapults because of planes suicide damage, does this mechanic still work?

[charred sable]

I believe so

But that's min maxing

My OCD of not wanting to give my ships non-gold gear is stronger than my want to min-max xD

[modern tree]

1 oil tank for a solo carrier is more or less mandatory

if you are running multiple then its whatever

[charred sable]

It'll also probably be necessary when people start running Sandy Retrofit

[fringe plover]

[charred sable]

Whenever that happens (EN anniversary maybe?)

[modern tree]

Juneau has probably higher AA than Sandy on average

[charred sable]

But Sandy's skill buffs the entire team

[fringe plover]

With 12.5 chance

[rain isle]

Yeah, my guess is 1st anniversary for en. Can't wait for Cleve-aniki's party skin.

Isnt it 15÷?

[charred sable]

I'm more hyped atm for the KGV skin

[modern tree]

kgv skin is so plain

[fringe plover]

Yup it`s actually 15%

[modern tree]

can barely tell the difference from her usual outfit

[fringe plover]

Idk where did 12.5 come from

[charred sable]

It makes her look like Kiss Shot

[rain isle]

She has one, or us one coming?

As a German I'm more interested in Bismarck's party dress.

Ah, so it's out on cn.

[charred sable]

South Dakota's is really nice too

[hot creek]

more cleavage is good

[rain isle]

Yeah, but my wallet can only take so many gems, gotta prioritize -_-

[charred sable]

I'm a lolicon but Kiss Shot is my secondary waifu

[rain isle]

Laffey was and still is my first AL love.

[charred sable]

Bel-chan is mine, and by transitive property, Belfast

[rain isle]

First waifu, first retrofit and she still kicks ass either on add duty or in boss fleets =)

[charred sable]

But what about those night battles?

[rain isle]

Well, she can't excell at everything now, can she :p

[charred sable]

[lime rivet]

[charred sable]

Actually, I wonder, there's a non-zero possibility of Sandy Retrofit being released early

At AX, Yostar is hosting an Azur Lane panel, and one of the guests is the San Diego VA

[rain isle]

Subtle hint at the end of the new UI video maybe?!

[charred sable]

I would not be surprised if, as part of the event, they announce her retrofit

[rain isle]

Can't believe Yostar put Sandy in just for the lulz.

[charred sable]

AX (Anime Expo) happening at the start of July

[coral wren]

That event kinda makes you hate hms even more

[hot creek]

nah this event make me hate Bismarck for using illegal enhancements.

[modern tree]

I am in love with KGV barrage so na

[fringe plover]

What does her barrage look like?

[charred sable]

KGV counts towards the Monarch grind right?

[coral wren]

Lorewise, faction of hypocrites. Also, there are many interesting barrages used by bosses, they could give some of them to regular ships

[rain isle]

Glad to see some new exciting and powerful ships added to the roster. Finally we might see some more variety across the board.

Yup, she does.

@charred sable

Any HMS bb and bc should count ;)

[charred sable]

Sounds like I'll be running HMS for a good while in PvE after I finally finish with Saint Louis

Probably KGV, Warspite and Hood

[rain isle]

Oh yeah, can't wait for the level 120 PvP loius meme train x)

[charred sable]

I want to see what happens on CN and JP when the first wave of maxed out FdGs arrive

[rain isle]

That's the only reason I picked her first, then roon and finally monarch. Got too many good BBs already.

[coral wren]

I wonder if they use bismarck with her

But that broken barrage is just a red flag

[charred sable]

I'm curious too, but I don't think so

[rain isle]

Bloody hell, KMS meta with Friedrich, Bismarck and Tirpitz/zeppy x)

[charred sable]

Cause Warspite Retro is still a thing

So the Bismarck synergy wouldnt be enough compared to just 3 OP backlines

[coral wren]

Ehh, she barely touches enemy backline. It must be a bug

[rain isle]

Vanguard could suffer, but it'll mostly be Belfast, Juneau and Louis anyway ^^

[coral wren]

big yikes

[charred sable]

My guess is FdG, Warspite Kai, Amagi. Just toss 3 OP BBs in your backline and you're good

[coral wren]

Like, what is this, lol

[rain isle]

Dann, forgot how strong Amagi is in PvP

[zenith tundra]

i have a feeling that bismark barrage is a big troll

[charred sable]

Amagi will be replaced with a third backline rainbow sooner or later

[coral wren]

Well, there is no way it's not a troll

[hot creek]

wait til skill level 10

[zenith tundra]

i don't think much will change

[coral wren]

video related is lvl 7

[zenith tundra]

seems a dumb > shape

[charred sable]

KGV's wedge shaped barrage is much better

[rain isle]

Just the power and proc rate. Only thing affecting the barrage pattern is lb

[zenith tundra]

V shaped kgv barrage is non arching shells which is good

[rain isle]

If that's the max lb barrage then I'm disappoint

[zenith tundra]

technically speaking most barrages reach final form at lvl 7

[charred sable]

FINAL FORM

[modern tree]

dat lvl 1 with her gun

[rain isle]

Generally most skills become properly useful at level 7+

[zenith tundra]

i wonder if there is any way to make them change that > shape on bismark barrage because it makes the barrage trash

[leaden sequoia]

is it just me, or Daxam's video is borked

[coral wren]

God shave the queen

[leaden sequoia]

it freezes for more than half of the time

[charred sable]

@zenith tundra might get an Amagi barrage fix treatment later

[hot creek]

just you

[fringe plover]

@leaden sequoia you mean these 4 seconds?

[leaden sequoia]

ye

hmm

let's reload the Discord tab then

[charred sable]

@leaden sequoia just you, loops fine on the Android Discord app

[modern tree]

ima take her to pvp and see if she can hit shit with it

[zenith tundra]

hopefully they fix that but looking at it i feel like it's somehow intended to be like that. not like izumo barrage isn't a thing

[leaden sequoia]

ok, something's wrong with my Discord/browser video player then

[fringe plover]

They just make jokes out of kms ships every single time

[leaden sequoia]

on Android Discord it plays ok

[modern tree]

LOOOOL

she hits entire backline

[leaden sequoia]

b-but Zeppy...

[modern tree]

no joke, she just slams the entire backline

[leaden sequoia]

... is not a joke rite?

[modern tree]

ima record it

[zenith tundra]

seems wide enough to hit everything

[fringe plover]

@leaden sequoia Zeppy is cute so it`s ok

[hot creek]

watch when she hits lvl 10 and gets a big ass arrow or something crazy

[modern tree]

I am editing it now

[zenith tundra]

might not even change tbh

[empty sinew]

wtf is this useless Bismarck barrage

[zenith tundra]

it doesn't say her barrage scales with level

[ionic magnet]

so far lv 7 barrage is same pattern as lv 1 barrage

for kgv

[zenith tundra]

doesn't change

[empty sinew]

if this ain't getting a fix to at least reach enemy backline, fk yostar

[fringe plover]

Gotta wait for daxam video

@empty sinew

[empty sinew]

he's making kgv, not bisko

[modern tree]

2 minutes

I dont have bisquit

[zenith tundra]

the problem is the shape tbh a > will never hit backlines properly since only middle shoots will hit backlines

[empty sinew]

bisko doesn't even REACH opposite flag @fringe plover

[modern tree]

I love this boat

[zenith tundra]

and the range is the thing that makes me think it's bugged but even if they fix range the shape will still suck if it's the same

[hot creek]

dont worry biscuit gets that black hole thing at lvl 10

[empty sinew]

i hope so, or else imma need my books back

[modern tree]

again, lvl 1 with her gun

[empty sinew]

now this is a quality barrage

[charred sable]

Yeah, definitely looks solid

[hot creek]

im spooked

[zenith tundra]

the problem with 48 sec 2nd barrage still stays

[modern tree]

This boat reaches some pretty ridic FP so if the barrage scaling is any good, it's gonna be super fun

[hot creek]

increased damage to axis botes makes me hard

[empty sinew]

when lvl 1 barrage is already better than my shitty lvl7 Bisko barrage

[modern tree]

Glory of the Royal Navy, bitch

[empty sinew]

LONG LIVE IRONBLOOD my ass

[coral wren]

just give us sirens to play as

Their barrages are fun af

[charred sable]

I want lasers in my PvP battles

[coral wren]

wub wub wub

[leaden sequoia]

KGV's barrage doesn't change form at all when leveling

only damage

1st barrage component: 70 at lvl 1 -> 138 at lvl 10
2nd barrage component: 11 at lvl 1 -> 20 at lvl 10

[modern tree]

her barrage has higher base damage than the gun shes stuck with lool

[empty sinew]

you should also test it in pvp btw

will give you a 3rd reason to call it trash

[zenith tundra]

that is a bug imo

[empty sinew]

yee i hope it's like that time with amagi

[zenith tundra]

no other non targeted barrage does that

[trim horizon]

KMS flagship representing KMS as it is now, a joke

[empty sinew]

besides that, her kit's pretty nice
1st volley confirm crit is good at least

[zenith tundra]

@coral wren can u make a video with bismark barrage in pvp?

[coral wren]

I spent all my attempts 😦

[zenith tundra]

ok lol

[leaden sequoia]

Bisco's barrage also doesn't change form
1st barrage component: 43 at lvl 1 -> 110 at lvl 10
2nd barrage component: 11 at lvl 1 -> 20 at lvl 10

that's coded in the barrage itself then

no indication of that in her barrage stats

[zenith tundra]

i want to wait for lvl 10 barrage but who knows if it changes anymore after 7 since most barrages don't

and then report it as a bug/suggestion

there is no reason for her barrage not to reach backlines in pvp

[empty sinew]

it'll be such a troll if lvl <7 barrage doesn't hit backline, is reported as a bug, then it's intended since only lvl 10 barrage can reach that far, and wasn't a bug all along

[zenith tundra]

idk any barrages that change reach with level

and i remember washi barrage being short too on release in en

[empty sinew]

another guess is that it has something to do with the "increase range to 65/90" skill but they have 0 relation with each other

[zenith tundra]

considering al devs it might be an unintended relation

[empty sinew]

if it's true, this is dumb af

[zenith tundra]

if i had red books i would've maxed it asap

but i'm leveling it with t1 lol

[modern tree]

just report it right now tbh

they can look into it in code

[hot creek]

it reaches backline

[modern tree]

and if its broken, its better to let them know 5 days early

[zenith tundra]

they won't accept it since it's not maxed

[modern tree]

wha

what kind of shitty coder goes like I DONT KNOW WHAT MY CODE DOES SO UNLESS YOU SHOW ME THAT AT MAX LEVEL, DONT EVEN BOTHER

[coral wren]

Shitty coder who works for yostar

[charred sable]

Coders don't look at bug reports, CE do

[zenith tundra]

i'm not talking about devs themselves

[charred sable]

Then CE passes the bug report to the devs

[modern tree]

bug reports are to highlight potential problems not fucking showcase them

[zenith tundra]

i'm talking about people in bug reports

[charred sable]

Chances are it won't make it past the initial CE filter

[empty sinew]

what's CE

[charred sable]

It's like summiting a bug report saying "yo, X is broken, go fix plz". Any CE will reject it and say "come back with full details"

Customer Experience. Or CS (Customer Support)

[modern tree]

"maybe it gets better when it levels" is like the dumbest argument for rejecting a bug I have ever seen and I work in game dev for a long time

[empty sinew]

ahh, im more used to customer support

[zenith tundra]

the thing is that barrage do change with lvls

[hot creek]

well, actually only like two shots hit backline and the rest miss lol

[charred sable]

More often than not though customer support have a checklist to follow, even if it makes no sense

[modern tree]

okay they do change with levels but if its bugged at every level except for 10, then its still bugged

its less severe but its still something to look at

[zenith tundra]

how can u prove that without a lvl 10 barrage

[modern tree]

I dont, I report whats bugged and developer figures it out

[charred sable]

I remember at my old job I once saw the customer support script of my team's product and it was pretty silly. Like, no, turning your phone off and back on is not going to fix this obvious feature bug, but they will still ask everyone to do it anyway

[empty sinew]

by looking at the source code and attributes associated with "lvl 10 biscuit barrage", it's more than enough to prove that shit

not like they'll do it tho

[modern tree]

if you prefer, you can just make a post in game feedback with "IS THE MOST FEARED FLAGSHIP OF IRON BLOOD REALLY MEANT TO HIT THE WATER IN FRONT OF THE ENEMIES WITH HER BARRAGE"

[zenith tundra]

the worst thing is that they might say it's intended that way which means u do it for nothing

[modern tree]

and if they say yes you laugh and then get your 10 medals

[charred sable]

@modern tree fear through intimidation. It's not a bug, it's a feature

[blazing scroll]

Inb4 her barrage can only hit hood

[empty sinew]

right now she ain't even worth 10 medals

[zenith tundra]

i did post in game feedback as a question about it being bugged and not reaching opponent backlines or even hitting stuff in pve but no response

[hot creek]

https://youtu.be/V_F-CB1kuco lvl 7 barrage in pvp

[charred sable]

I'd love to see hidden modifiers and attributes in a game with a historical backsetting

[zenith tundra]

well time to make a bug report then

[modern tree]

what a sad fucking video

[gilded atlas]

LOL what was that

[coral wren]

yostar's vision of german engineering

[blazing scroll]

A disappointment

[empty sinew]

seems like it really does hit the backline...

so i did 5 battles to make sure i wasn't hallucinating, turns out

the first 2 games, her mid shells hit slightly behind flagship

the next 2, it hits in front of flagship

the last game, mid shells completely miss

[zenith tundra]

that's a bug for sure

[empty sinew]

i take back my claims of it missing, but still it's such a

imma do more to see its positioning

[zenith tundra]

inconsistency shouldn't be a thing and even if we factor spread there is too much difference

[trim horizon]

using auto with bismarck

[raw osprey]

using auto with bismarck

[empty sinew]

here's another 5 games of Bismarck barrage's mid shells:
1st - lands in front, doesn't reach
2nd - lands in front, barely touches aoe hitbox
3rd - lands in front, barely touches aoe hitbox
4th - lands directly on flagship
5th - lands in front, barely touches aoe hitbox

[raw osprey]

[charred sable]

Seems historically accurate

Hood was in game 4

[fringe plover]

Bisko barrage is just another WoWS collab

[midnight heron]

damnnnn

[hot creek]

no Nep? 🚮

[charred sable]

Meanwhile I still haven't finished unlocking Saint Louis

[raw osprey]

better no nep than Fake nep

[midnight heron]

guess im more 🚮 cuz i dont even hav a single pr

[raw osprey]

atleast u got the right and only true nep as pfp

[midnight heron]

nepu

[gilded atlas]

Does it look like a decent HMS set up?

[fringe plover]

Replace dork with qe mb?

[charred sable]

Statistically insignificant

[ionic magnet]

that's a decent hms comp yes but swapping doy into hood/qe should improve it a bit

[hot creek]

damn i just realized theres no ring pack

don't they usually do one each event?

[raw osprey]

prolly next event

nah every sec

ish

[ionic magnet]

no ring pack no lucky bags

yostar dont want our money

[empty sinew]

no new oath skin, no ring

that's the usual pattern

[raw osprey]

Kisaragi oath skin when?

[ionic magnet]

no skins too'

[raw osprey]

still 3 months till next x2 gems

[gilded atlas]

alright will try it w qe/hood out after i lvl the rest

[charred sable]

@hot creek there's been no ring pack refresh for a long while

[fringe plover]

@raw osprey Wut do you mean?

[trim horizon]

we had one for Nagato event

[charred sable]

I always check every time I oath a ship, which happens usually once every one or two weeks :/

[raw osprey]

ring pack comes back every 2 events

we had one on Valent. and 2 events later on nagato

[charred sable]

I wish it were every major maintenance

[raw osprey]

they prolly thing they make more money that way

but i only buy packs

so, meh

maybe in total is still better for them

[fringe plover]

They make money out of this guy @charred sable

[charred sable]

Not sure if they would make more money, since the people who buy ring packs buy regardless

[fringe plover]

Imagine buying ring every week

[charred sable]

The people who benefit from ring packs are the ones who buy with free gems

[zenith tundra]

well i reported bismark barrage now let's hope they fix it

they seem to do ring packs with new wedding skins releases @hot creek at least all the recent ones were like that

[charred sable]

@fringe plover currently at 80 oathed. My limiting factor is literally playtime for the last 90->100 affection grind cause secretary only brings you up to 90

[fringe plover]

Wish I was limited by playtime instead of wallet

[zenith tundra]

https://discordapp.com/channels/456397991847395339/474210478311211029/581836333992116232
upvote for those who care about bismark

[charred sable]

I'm behind schedule cause of all the new SSRs that came out of Nagato + Kizuna Ai + this event

Plus all the -chans and Uboats

[gilded atlas]

those Ubotes take forever to up

• farm equips

[fringe plover]

I`m farming sos since they added subs and still got 0 gold torps

[blazing scroll]

[charred sable]

I've stopped doing the SOS missions all together

Would rather use the oil farming chapter-drop-only ships than equipment blueprints

[coral wren]

there's a hypothesis that there might be subs in ch14

[charred sable]

Gear like this is plenty enough for current content

[odd schooner]

Wtf

0 proc fight

That time

[coral wren]

which one is better, stuka or BTD?

[zenith tundra]

pretty sure they both suck

[coral wren]

I don't want kaga and akagi to launch airstrike at the same time

[zenith tundra]

u can use ryuusei on kaga without losing much

or junkers if u don't want ryuusei

[coral wren]

you mean comet?

[zenith tundra]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Aichi_B7A_Ryuusei

or https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Junkers_Ju-87C

[coral wren]

they are all planes. whats the difference

oh yeah my bad

[zenith tundra]

both i would use on kaga tbh if u want different timings

sb2c is better and cudas are more consistent so don't use both

[midnight heron]

not sure if its mentioned before but i just noticed da game no longer keeps your highest pvp rank in ur profile

[zenith tundra]

so it seems

dunno if it a bug or not tho

[coral wren]

ah ok thank you

[rain isle]

Yeah, gotta screenshot each time u hit gensui :p

[midnight heron]

casuals gonna be more casual

[zenith tundra]

i'll ask in #bug-reports if it's intended or just a bug

[rain isle]

TBH, ranks are displayed erroneously right now, and the medals don't show up properly on ladders. Seems like there are couple of bugs left to squish due to shiny new UI.

[zenith tundra]

"couple of bugs" more like at least 50+

[coral wren]

if you use sendai, is it overkill to use aurora too

[elder crane]

not vs belfast

[coral wren]

or would you rather use aurora than sendai in a full-ijn fleet

atm i'm using belfap/ayanami/jintsuu

[elder crane]

Sendai's flare can be considered pretty RNG, compared to Aurora's debuff, with the exception of if the opposing team runs Belfast (since flare and smoke almost always near-perfectly overlaps)
Plus, Aurora debuff is always active, which means it helps with torps as well, overall being more impactful than Sendai's torp buff vs the vanguard (though doesn't help vs main) (also Sendai has amazing torps, Aurora's are passable)
Once CAs start being used ofc, Aurora falls off a bit compared to Sendai

Both are pretty squishy, Aurora also has significantly better AA

[arctic blade]

so does the introduction of bismarck change the pvp meta at all?

[fringe plover]

Why would it? Bismark is a meme atm

[modern tree]

Bisquit cant carry a bad meme on her own

[zenith tundra]

bismark barrage is most likely bugged and almost useless because of that in pvp. without fdg kms doesn't really have pvp ships outside of graf so ur stuck using something like amagi. strongest vg ships for kms are roon and printz and both need 120 to be viable

[coral wren]

Is prinz really viable at lvl 120?

[fringe plover]

I wonder, how much time will it take to kill 120 lvl roon/eugen/juneau vg with 6x improved hydraulic rudder?

[zenith tundra]

like 15 sec

time for bb to shoot them down

without any speed bb murder vgs

[fringe plover]

I just forgot that speed stat exists

[modern tree]

Eugen at 120 with Zepp buff will live a very long time

viable? nah. capable of stalling for a decent amount if time? yea

[zenith tundra]

being set on fire would make it hard for her to survive that much

[modern tree]

it will take like 20 fire ticks to kill her because of her HP

thats like 3-4 BB barrages

she can stall

her only problem is that she contributes nothing more than being a fat speed bump

and her not dying doesnt matter much if your backline dies to plane suicide or barrages

[fringe plover]

But it`s still a good way to troll people rushing for aotn

[vague token]

i mean, if you see a ton of mediums, just use an AP gun xD

[fringe plover]

4 more dps comparing with 406 mk6, but no burn damage

meh

[coral wren]

how good is kgv combined with other hms backlines?

[vague token]

that barrage

lol

it's kinda neat cause it hits all 3 backliners i guess?

[modern tree]

it hits everything

the lasers have low base damage tho

the shells have higher base damage than her meme gun tho

[vague token]

ah

i mean the lasers basically work like wash tiny pellets then?

just a bit of bonus damage for the vanguard or pve

[modern tree]

her fate is basically dependent on how much damage 2 quad shots can pump out

[vague token]

yeah

[modern tree]

cuz thats what you will have guaranteed

[vague token]

how did we get 2 gun dependent bbs in one event

xD

[modern tree]

its okay, bisquit barrage is so bad that I dont think shes even considerable

[vague token]

i mean once it's fixed maybe

i dunno what the damage base is though

[modern tree]

if*

[vague token]

kek

[modern tree]

and the damage per shell is low too

its like 110 base at lvl 10

[vague token]

why is it so low lol

[modern tree]

kgv has 138

[vague token]

cause like the pattern kinda looks like you'd only hit 2

cause it's 2 middle, 2 wide

although i guess it's only level 5 for me

[modern tree]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_F-CB1kuco

it doesnt get better

[vague token]

maybe if all 4 shells hit the center

it'd be ok

that's a lot of focus power

so like kgv is splash, biscuit is focus

but who knows

xD

it's obviously whack as is cause lol bugged

but given the spacing, id almost say it's strictly worse than kgv

if they just boost the range

the center might take a bit more?

[modern tree]

KGV lands all the shells on something and her FP is gonna be really high

[vague token]

yeah

although waiting 24 seconds for that still is just eh xD

still gotta land the quad shots

[modern tree]

24 shells in the time other ships push 12 is decent if she can land it anywhere. Shes also gonna be tanky af. Barrage is sort of a bonus

[sharp wing]

Welp, Sandy somewhy really ded after reset. Pushed my 10 tix and got to place 9 after losing 9 tickets

1st time this happened lol, 3 ranks in 1 push

[lean phoenix]

Tfw u take a loss because one torpedo got evaded at the last second

[vague token]

oof

[ionic magnet]

funny how people were praising bisko like a god while trashing on kgv just yesterday

and now its flipped

[vague token]

she's still a better basic gunner than most xD

other pure shellboats dont get 100% crit first shot then 25% on the rest ;)

probably gets a technically better than dork for pve if you use roon (which you should) since 25% crit rate always on is better than 12% damage amp when dork shoots

and maybe post barrage fix (if it happens) she'd replace anyone who performs like dork

well, no defense boost though xD (evade)

but i guess zepp handles that

kms costs 2 ships to buff rip

[modern tree]

I heard you talking shit about qe like I'd not find out

[shy hazel]

whts wrong saying shit is shit hey

[ionic magnet]

qe is not garbage if you're a lolicon

lmao

[sharp wing]

i go hide my lolies right away

[charred sable]

@ionic magnet I actually don't think anyone was talking of Bismarck as a God lol

It seemed like the consensus was Bismarck was a disappointment the moment her skills got datamining from JP servers, while KGV was a question mark

Then when we saw the barrage video, Bismarck became confirmed disappointed while KGV became high potential

Pre-datamine though, we were all just assuming Bismarck would be an UR based on story importance and thus be OP

[ionic magnet]

it was an exaggeration but it was mostly "bisko is good while kgv is w/e"

to me, kgv was never a question mark

hms has very low standards so she automatically gets a spot

and bisko will never be good until we get more kms ships

[odd schooner]

I got my QE ringed still hoping she will have a retrofit

[hot creek]

I ring QE ||cause she was my first AL fap||

[charred sable]

Tfw I finally unlock Saint Louis but accidentally click through her intro screen so I miss the screenshot

[vague token]

oh no =(

[shy hazel]

just steal other ppls trophy pics

cos i realize there no even name in that page

then name it very similar to your last screenshot name

now its yours

[charred sable]

The deed is done. Future me and everyone else here will forget and it will as if I never missed a screenshot in my collection folder

[shy hazel]

[charred sable]

Ok... Grinding with 3 HMS BB backline +1 random frontline is slow as hell... Pretty much 90% of the fight is waiting for those barrage to go off...

This Monarch grind is gonna be slow...

[ionic magnet]

thats much better than VG grind tbh

[charred sable]

Why's that?

[ionic magnet]

flagship bonus and backline usually is easier to give mvp

[charred sable]

True, I guess more EXP per battle towards the research

[shy hazel]

[charred sable]

But slower event grind

[shy hazel]

backline is only hard if u 1-1

other than that everything is easy

unless u use more than 1

which is oil killer

even at lb0 they eat alot of oil

[charred sable]

I'm running 3:1 for this event cause I'm overflowed with oil atm and can't really grind hard much except on weekends

1:3 earlier for Saint Louis, now 3:1 for Monarch

[shy hazel]

1-1 monarch 3-1 on roon and nep

im now doing louis 3-1

though 2 of them are lb0

cant farm event properly tho

lol

[charred sable]

Oops, swap my ratios

[shy hazel]

this event has d0?

[lament lichen]

Yea

Aka black sp

[shy hazel]

i should finish d3 fast then

im just still grinding normal maps

for louis

i guess i just go x3 all maps daily then all misc quests

then d0

prolly can empty shop

[charred sable]

I'm definitely going to burn through my oil fast at this rate though

[shy hazel]

so pricey lol

can vg titmaid eat dmg

[ionic magnet]

where are you grinding

d3?

[charred sable]

C2 atm, I'm way behind

Should reach D3 by end of day

[zenith tundra]

3:1 is definitely easier and faster then 1:3. if u use 0lb ships is still easier to go to higher lvl maps for better bonuses

[ionic magnet]

hm kinda overkill

[shy hazel]

im playin new game

louis 1m still isnt 100%

i should finish it up now

[charred sable]

Yeah, it's definitely overkill but gives me the most progress/time ratio towards research as long as I have the oil to sustain it

[ionic magnet]

true

[shy hazel]

well its fine if u not rushing to do all 6 in time

my case its better to have excess oil than less oil

[charred sable]

We're gonna get PR2 before I finish all 6, you can bet on that

[shy hazel]

i should finish all up in time

then gonna spend oil on long oil comms

unlimited coins here i come

[charred sable]

I've been burning 1.2k oil every day on the 10hr commissions

[ionic magnet]

no such thing as unlimited coins

[shy hazel]

its not only oil comm anyways

eternal 7-2 slave

[charred sable]

I had 400k coins before Kizuna Ai event

And then the FAKKYU skins appeared...

[shy hazel]

after dev 30 comes gear research farm

[zenith tundra]

13hr break for nep 2m. lucky the event is easy

[charred sable]

I wish there was a way to skip the barrage panning animation in PvE

So it just fires right away without animation delay like in PvP

[vague token]

i mean that would affect pvp also

for offense

[zenith tundra]

not really

[true cradle]

How is this fleet

[zenith tundra]

nagato doesn't work for non ijn cvs

[lament lichen]

Theres barely any synergy for nagato

[true cradle]

Im just using her for the barrage and buff mogami

[lament lichen]

Mogami needs time to start doing damage

[charred sable]

For PvE, anything goes, but for PvP, that's kind of a mess

Helena works with Enterprise and Ranger but not Nagato (timing is off I believe)

[true cradle]

Nah helena procs right when nagato is doing the swipe

And wiped the whole fleet

[charred sable]

Laffey and Mogami don't really contribute anything to the fight in general

Ah, then the timing is fine if your equips are set up for it

But if you have Nagato, you're better off running Akagi + Kaga over Enterprise + Ranger, even with the Helena synergy

[true cradle]

Both enterprise and ranger are op tho

[charred sable]

Unless you really like RNG resetting

[true cradle]

Like since proc rate increase in pvp

Ranger procs almost all the time

I even got 2 quick takeoff in average

[charred sable]

Oh right, they increased CV proc rates as part of the patch didn't they

[ionic magnet]

that comp can get you to top 1000 or maybe a little higher

[true cradle]

Idk, I just feel like it

[ionic magnet]

but no way that can get you aotn

[charred sable]

Were there any tests around proc percentages post-patch?

Depends, which server are you on @true cradle

And how hard do you sandbag

[true cradle]

Why?

[ionic magnet]

ranger and laffey are too squishy

helena is questionable but shes okay-ish

[zenith tundra]

with 2 slow cv helena is like win condition tbh

[charred sable]

Depending on the combination of which server you're on and how hard you sandbag, we can give a rough estimate of how far that comp can go

[true cradle]

Whats sandbag

Im on lexington

[charred sable]

Yes, Helena can guarantee a win with the two CV procs or Nagato proc for sure, but it's RNG on the procs, so a couple resets will be needed

[vague token]

i dunno if helena would guarantee a win against even with nagato+2 cvs

cause hiryuu just goes lol nope

[charred sable]

Lexington is server #2, so I would assume decently competitive

[lament lichen]

Its not really an auto win with the procs

[vague token]

yeah

[lament lichen]

You also need to consider there procs on def

[charred sable]

Pretty much everyone who started playing after the first week or two when Avrora was full

[lament lichen]

And anti air mode from the juneaus & w/e

[ionic magnet]

1 fox airstrike will prolly wipe VGs and ranger so

[charred sable]

@true cradle How do you usually use your attacks? 5 in a row when you have the time? Right after each reset? Right before each reset? Interspersed throughout the day?

[true cradle]

Before it exceed 10/10

So usually ill wait before the reset of another +5 after 10/10

[charred sable]

So essentially right before each reset. I'd call that "mild" sandbagging I guess

[true cradle]

Arent you suppose to sandbag before the season ends anyway

;-;

[charred sable]

With that comp, with mild sandbagging, on Lexington, my guess would be top 100-500

You're supposed to sandbag throughout the entire season

[true cradle]

I'm pretty confident this would reach top 10 since it clear out decently fast

[vague token]

sandbag is eternal

[true cradle]

It's faster than nakaga

Because if either helena, ranger or enty proc

[charred sable]

That's the problem though, it's very proc dependent. That's why I'm curious as to what the increased CV proc rates are now post-patch

[true cradle]

Maybe need datamine help

[vague token]

wait they changed skill rates?

[true cradle]

It procs a lot than pve in my case

You should try too

Ranger mvp almost all the time cuz of it

[charred sable]

There was mention a while ago on CN that they improved CV proc rates, and I assume we got that as part of the new UI update

Since the new UI update is pretty much a full sync with CN and JP

[vague token]

oh, lemme know when data mine info comes out on that

[true cradle]

Unless the data is server side

[vague token]

cause im pretty sure the skill descriptions are the same lol

[true cradle]

It might just be mystery

[vague token]

fights are handled local

lol

so it'll be on your device

[charred sable]

But the fact that I haven't seen any changes to JP comps makes me guess the buff wasn't all that significant

[true cradle]

But the proc information is server side

Same like drop rate

[vague token]

i doubt proc info is server side

you dont communicate with server during battle

[charred sable]

Fights are all done client sided

[vague token]

only at start (loading) and end

[true cradle]

I mean the proc boost info

Which are different than pve

[ionic magnet]

rather than CV proc rates, i only remember ranger getting a slight change in skills

[shy hazel]

ranger new meta

[charred sable]

The initial percentages are sent from server to client, but the execution of the battle happens entirely client sided

[shy hazel]

but anyways

it wont work out on defense

[charred sable]

Let me just check current JP comps real quick

[shy hazel]

in works in offence cos u reset2win

[velvet fossil]

That fleet would melt on defense

[charred sable]

Which I assume will be similar to CN comps now

[true cradle]

Are you checking their defense fleet?

Since this just might be offense meta

[ionic magnet]

im curious what rank are you on rn?

[true cradle]

Not defense

[ionic magnet]

@true cradle

[true cradle]

I neglected pvp for 9 days

[round dome]

ranger didn't get proc rate change, it's just her 2x damage skill changed, it now lasts 10s and is effective for quick takeoffs

[true cradle]

So im at rank 7k rn

Trying to catch up

But i'll do fulltime pvp next season

[ionic magnet]

yea i dont believe it can win against any decent comp

but ill be happy to get proven wrong

[shy hazel]

proccing ranger early means

u proccing their hiryuu too

that will probably make u eat 2-3 airstrikes

so your backline will be wiped too

[true cradle]

By that time isnt hiryuu almost dead anyway

Thats why enty is there

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

enty usually loses to hiryuu unless weird things happen

because of when her final counter comes out

[true cradle]

Well considering her kai isnt out yet

I doubt many people use her

[shy hazel]

oh what server are you in

[vague token]

you should see avrora

xD

[shy hazel]

[true cradle]

I'm in avrora

[ionic magnet]

i mean comp is one thing but you're kinda undergeared also

oof avrora

[shy hazel]

i guess u not in top 50 yet

90% of everyone uses hiryu

there

[true cradle]

Im in rank 7k

[shy hazel]

i doubt ill even see hiryu in 1k

[true cradle]

Time to bring out the new meta then

[charred sable]

https://imgur.com/a/yEZyaqw

Mostly troll defences lol

[lament lichen]

Jp is mostly meme def

[vague token]

lol jp

[charred sable]

But all the serious ones are the same Nagato + Hiryuu + Amagi or Nagato + Akagi + Kaga meta

Plus a few Warspites

[true cradle]

Lmao all this while i did pvp

I didnt gear ranger

No wonder the main fleet's power is that low

[charred sable]

Let me check the second server I have access to

https://imgur.com/a/eoo3G5v

Yup, same meta still. Nagato, Amagi, Hiryuu or Nagato Amagi Warspite

[zenith tundra]

no one uses hiryuu in pvp in en right.... there are 26 namaryuu comps in current top 100 in avrora

[vague token]

i think offense is where the variety is

[charred sable]

Safe to say, Ranger/Enterprise proc is not meta

[vague token]

in jp

because you can use multiple variations of ws kai

xD

[charred sable]

@zenith tundra I use it, the only times I need to reset are actually when I go up against a mirror team and get bad Nagato RNG

[zenith tundra]

was just pointing out how hiryuu is not used without her kai

[shy hazel]

do you know the very proof on why hiryuu is very cmmn

[charred sable]

But I'm not in top 100 cause I missed 4 attacks and lost 2 mirror matches when I want paying attention

[shy hazel]

remember that guy who complained in game feedback to nerf hiryuu?

cos of excuses like increase pvp equality

[charred sable]

Wut

[shy hazel]

or force ppl to use other ships

v funny

[charred sable]

Sounds like babby's first online game

[shy hazel]

he just wont accept that he cant beat hiryuu fast and properly

[charred sable]

Did he not play during the age of

At least Hiryuu vs Hiryuu has an ending

[zenith tundra]

i played that era and the worst comp back then was wasdhood

[shy hazel]

never ending wasdhood

when pvp was so slow

amagi came and everything was faster

lol

[charred sable]

My longest vs went until the clock hit 1:40 left

[lament lichen]

I never use enty in pvp

[vague token]

it's funny that things got faster when amagi has a global debuff

[charred sable]

@shy hazel and then the IJN Nation attacked...

[vague token]

that isnt even on a timer

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

like literally all the other debuffs in the game

[zenith tundra]

i used her before i had foxes and a bit them too

[shy hazel]

the true champ that elevated foxes and ijn to godhood

is aurora

[coral wren]

W8, does jp still use belfast?

[vague token]

no space for belfast

[shy hazel]

nope

[vague token]

saint louis is there

[shy hazel]

louis replaces belfast

and so are we

[charred sable]

Naw, I'd say it was Ayayaya Retrofit, cause now instead of just two IJNs in every team (foxes), there were now 3!

[shy hazel]

soon.tm

our amafox aurora era lasted for only like 2 months

then wasdama became lit again

after 110

[charred sable]

@coral wren the two screenshot sets I shared aren't from the OC JP servers. They're from the equivalent of Washington here

I created the accounts around the time Nagato came to EN

[shy hazel]

now its either nagamahyu

or nagafox

[coral wren]

Ohh

Ok then, that makes sense

[charred sable]

So they won't show you the most competitive groups, but usually they will have enough main meta fleets

The original servers are locked from account creation :(

The second set I think would be the equivalent maybe of our Sandy? It's like server #7 out of 30, so it was probably the first server after the first 6 from launch or something

First set is server #~15 out of 30

[round dome]

im on CN's largest server, Barbarossa... do you guys need any data from there?

[zenith tundra]

en meta is unique

[charred sable]

@round dome yes please. Screenshot the first 30 defence teams atm and upload to Imgur if you can

[vague token]

shellllss wheeeenn

[charred sable]

It might not be directly applicable to EN, but the insight would be valuable

[zenith tundra]

insight on what... ws kai was the last pvp significant ship that came out

[round dome]

👌

[zenith tundra]

pr2 takes eternity to max

[charred sable]

Feel free to skip the obvious meme defences of course xD

@zenith tundra I doubt there'll be any surprises, but we'll have a reference point to compare with a couple months down the road

Raw data is never a bad thing to have

[round dome]

@charred sable https://imgur.com/a/5WVf6rV
btw, NO 5 is me

[charred sable]

I used to do this for a previous game I played. Keep tabs/dumps on the changes in top 20 teams of JP servers so I can preplan the upcoming EN meta. That game though was a lot more PvP heavy and complex (you'd actually have units and equipment that countered different comps, and losing a fight would make you swap ranks with the loser, so you had to keep a solid defence up to stay top ranked)

@round dome thank you good sir, I may ask you of the same favor in a month or two from now

[round dome]

👌

[finite valve]

tfw the original server have less than 10% try hard just show how much ppl give 0 crap about pvp

0 max / optimize fleet
the only few that do is not even using the correct comp

[charred sable]

This comp I'm actually really interested in seeing in action. In theory what I'm assuming is heavy vanguard frontal stall while boosting Warspite Retro to continually snipe the backline

[zenith tundra]

anti foxes comp

[coral wren]

my thoughts exactly, why else would you want bel and sandy

[finite valve]

ppl still use foxes in WS meta?

my thought is just that he just put up meme fleet tbh

[charred sable]

Nagato + Akagi + Kaga is still very much a valid attack fleet

It's fast and effective with the attacker damage buff

[coral wren]

but what madman would use foxes against ws kai

[charred sable]

So this is (on paper at least) a very valid defence fleet

@coral wren a madman who is gensui rushing and not checking comps xD

[coral wren]

[vague token]

i though wskai foxes was better

than nagato foxes

?

[charred sable]

But yeah, I'd be interested in seeing a fight against that fleet in action, both from the attacker and defence side.

[round dome]

actually it may work against warkai, just give akagi washing machine and beaver and put her at the opposite corner of warkai... it works, sometimes XD

[charred sable]

Warspite doesn't synergize with foxes at all

[vague token]

im pretty sure the last pvp analysis had both ws kai bunnies and ws kai foxes

as viable variants

one is slow but steady

one is the rushiest turn it into a 6v5

cause you get first strike followed up by guns?

[charred sable]

That's more the power of Warspite than anything xD

[vague token]

well yeah, that's the power of busted tier

[round dome]

i can test warkai + akaga if you guys are interested

[vague token]

like fox nagato wont clear out top nearly as fast as fox ws kai

and it's more prone to rng

[charred sable]

@round dome test it against that HMS fleet if you happen to get the chance and video record it, I'd really like to see it in action

[round dome]

👌

this one looks good?

[charred sable]

@vague token I feel like what you'll see is foxes add blanket damage to everyone, then Warspite snipes

@round dome yup, close though

[vague token]

yeah that was what the thing said, it lets you really quickly get a 6v5 if they have someone medium armor on top slot

eg if amagi is hanging out up there

she gonna die

real fast

[charred sable]

@vague token but to that point, Id think Warspite + QE buff + KGV would do this better

Since KGV hits full backline

[vague token]

2x 138 base damage vs two boosted air strikes?

i dunno

also, really late

like getting a 6v5 before 20 seconds is basically gg

[charred sable]

Right, 24s timer

[vague token]

if it's a squish top

obviously on harder fleets you wouldnt run that

because they can just tank the rushed out damage

and then you have no follow up

[charred sable]

Hmm, but suppose it's not a squish top. You won't get the fast 6v5, but every round you'll be destroying their backline hard and likely win out in the long run

And since you're 3 BBs, you can ignore the vanguard

[vague token]

we'll have to wait and see how strong kgv actually is

[charred sable]

Either way, I think I'm going to grind with QE instead of Hood

[vague token]

cause her barrage is spread out instead of focused

[charred sable]

Cause Hood's definitely not going to be in the picture in PvP

[vague token]

xD

[charred sable]

Plus QE uses less oil

[vague token]

if anything id rather just do amagi kgv qe

might as well get some bonus defense

or just skip qe ;)

[charred sable]

Actually, nvm, once KGV comes out of commission, I can do KGV, Warspite, Dork

[vague token]

but im not an hms guy so xD

kgv is definitely better than dork though

[charred sable]

For the Monarch grind

[vague token]

dork and pow got hard power creeped

[charred sable]

Dork's still solid for PvE though so wouldn't be a waste

PoW... Is just there for her swimsuit skin

[vague token]

it's upsetting cause pow has the same average buff per ship ratio as kgv

like, 4 eagles = 20%

3 hms + kgv = 20%

same ratio

they could just dump the dork barrage and add kgv barrage/gun to both and that would be balanced ;)

[vague token]

look at them, 3 quad users

2 are sad

xD

[coral wren]

i think doy is still solid tho..

[vague token]

50% damage on only 3 shells IF they hit

is terrible for pvp

great for pve

[coral wren]

Y, i meant for pve

[vague token]

oh yeah, 12% free damage amp is great

her barrage is still bad though

it still targets farthest and boss isnt always farthest

xD

[coral wren]

*sigh, they actually could give bsico that black hole skill..

[vague token]

they should give us guns that work like pve enemy guns

with all the different patterns

that'd be super interesting

[charred sable]

Sirens with lasers, please

[round dome]

can i haz space ship girls?

[charred sable]

I'd roll so hard for a Purifier-chan with lasers, even if she is UR with a 0.1% gacha chance

[vague token]

plz no, let us farm the .01 drop

ill burn all the oil

for lasers

but id rather have a laser equip

why can akashi salvage a laser

and use it on cubes

but we cant equip it on our ships

triggered

[charred sable]

angry Akashi noises

[vague token]

i dont even have one anymore >_>

cause why would i expect them to add an equip skill xD

to the third kgv class lol

[coral wren]

Somehow i ran out of oil even with event shop's 5k of it for the sake of grinding for kgv. She better be worth it...

[vague token]

she's more worth it than biscuit lo

[charred sable]

Ok, grinding with an HMS fleet in this event is really weird... This is is pure mutiny...

[vague token]

xD

[charred sable]

Why is Reknown even attacking me

[vague token]

because in the first ones you play as biscuit pov

then swap

[charred sable]

"Long live the Queen!" proceeds to fire guns at QE

[coral wren]

This is a flashback as well, right?

[charred sable]

First ones? There's a part 2?

[coral wren]

From what i know, the only current timline event was fw

[vague token]

a1-3/c1-3 are biscuit's point of view

so you fight hms

you swap after that

[charred sable]

Ahhh, ok, that... Kind of makes sense?

[vague token]

also fw isnt the current

it's more like a future before our present

[charred sable]

Is Bel-chan present?

[vague token]

more or less

[charred sable]

Cause I hope she's present. I don't want an old Bel-chan nor a non-existent Belchan

[vague token]

things that happen on base are the "current" experience id say

[coral wren]

How so? I remember fw was about how "back to the future" enterprise came to the rescue and then alot of yada yada about creator etc. Or do you mean that current timeline is all about the whole naval base screwing around and slacking, while all what's directly tied to fighting sirens is a future events and your ships experiencing same historical events is the past?

[vague token]

it was a future that happened already

basically

so it isnt the current events

but if you want to discuss more we should move to dms or something cause pvp channel ;)

[coral wren]

Rn i'm not even sure if latest chapters are present, because ch 0 was kinda present i suppose? But then it went to flashbacks

Y, that stuff is offtopic for sure

[vague token]

hopefully i can sneak enough +1s to be top 10

[charred sable]

I'm just planning out my next upcoming season. Sandbag hard during the first half week, then no sandbagging during the remainder

If it weren't for maintenance, the non-sandbagging would have worked out for me cause there were two times these past two weeks where, had I sandbagged, I would have lost 5 attacks due to work

[coral wren]

When ppl move, there is no point in attacking untill they are 500 rank points ahead of you, correct?

[vague token]

ah

[charred sable]

35 points. Rank doesn't matter

[vague token]

xD

[charred sable]

500 rank difference could mean 35 point difference, or it could mean 10 point difference

That's at least one benefit of not sandbagging. Your opponents that gives you points will be in top 100 so you can look up their actual points and check the diff before attacking

[coral wren]

Oookay... i'm kinda confused now, because last winter ppl would make decisions on when to attack based on rank diffedrence..

[vague token]

well, rank difference helps you guess how many points they have over you

[charred sable]

Alternative is to ask here to see if someone here on the same server is around the same rank as your opponent and ask them what the points they have is