pvp

[shy hazel]

kgv is my new best friend

[vague token]

lol

[coral wren]

@vague token i meant killing qe 😄

👀

[zenith tundra]

can't wait to stop playing namaryuu mirror

[shy hazel]

hey i made both neptune and monarch

just need to fit one more hms

[vague token]

i mean kgv will probably have similar aa to dork

[zenith tundra]

and use namagi kaga bb instead

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

so im sure she'll still crumble to hiryuu

if you arent careful

[shy hazel]

those skills are real are they

aint it originally in chinese

[vague token]

who knows

[zenith tundra]

0% confirmation

[vague token]

[shy hazel]

👀

or are we being memed again

[vague token]

just build her first try and tell us ;)

[shy hazel]

[zenith tundra]

no predownload for cn so no data mine

maybe a leak from someone

[shy hazel]

oh sounds fake

[zenith tundra]

but who knows

[shy hazel]

anyways im busy

laters again

i just look if got leak

[lime rivet]

Nga sourced 4chan

It's probably the same guy who posted the fake bismarck skills weeks ago

[steep fog]

jp leak is out

[dense lynx]

[zenith tundra]

at least these ones are closer to real but dunno about that cl weapon range... it would be so dumb for pvp

[steep fog]

apparently 4chan leak is true?

[dense lynx]

mother of god

[steep fog]

[lament lichen]

https://pastebin.com/raw/jK6i0dcP

[dense lynx]

sauce for the jp link pls~

[lime rivet]

Jp leak source?

[lament lichen]

https://pastebin.com/raw/gcU9dmii

[lime rivet]

Source, not the text

Like, where did they get this from

[shy hazel]

it mtches

i can read jap at least

[zenith tundra]

google translate says the same

[shy hazel]

i mean theres also the chinese text

[vague token]

also if that's true lol, kgv has grossly higher stats than dork

[shy hazel]

and the icons

[vague token]

like that gets a big nani

[shy hazel]

so it must be real

well see

Good Morning En, welcome to the new HMS Meta

[vague token]

xD

oh actually they're similar, she just gets 40 aa for free

[zenith tundra]

and 90% eff on aa guns

[vague token]

oh

i mean

[zenith tundra]

she takes less dmg

[vague token]

aa stat for bbs is more valuable than gun damage

[steep fog]

[vague token]

_>

[lime rivet]

KGV/WSKai/?

[dense lynx]

are the jp leaks legit?

[shy hazel]

monarch

we dont hv wskai so

dunno maybe amagi

[zenith tundra]

it's 100% for kgv i was looking at bismark sorry

[shy hazel]

kgv buffs ijn

[vague token]

oh ok

[shy hazel]

10 percent

apparently

[lime rivet]

ALEC has dataminers starting their work now, at least

[shy hazel]

lets see

[vague token]

ill probably be asleep by the time that comes out xD

it'll be a fun surprise!

[zenith tundra]

idk about bismark 2nd gun range she gets only aux +1 and -35% dmg but hits at almost all times...

[vague token]

sounds useful for pve though

xD

how much does the average belgun do to a light armor?

[zenith tundra]

i'm worried that that extra range will just murder opponent vgs for free

even more with pr2 cl gun

[steep fog]

[zenith tundra]

also 8.7k hp at 120 for bismark

talk about fdg

[vague token]

i mean kms loves hp

although that is hilariously higher than tirpitz

about 300

[lament lichen]

I mean historically bisko had high accuracy

[vague token]

i mean historically bisko was a solo mostly

and didnt work well with others xD

yet she has flag buffs

[ionic magnet]

[zenith tundra]

and tirp too was

[vague token]

so

[zenith tundra]

well either bismark flagship or no one

[vague token]

german naval doctrine barely used fleets lol

[lament lichen]

Always subs

[shy hazel]

time to build hms asap

qe has been dethroned

[zenith tundra]

pls do

[shy hazel]

now we just need wskai

[coral wren]

Yep, bismarck and tirpitz were kinda free for brits to take down

[shy hazel]

kgv wskai monarch

[ionic magnet]

kgv monarch hood for now i guess

[vague token]

i feel like

[shy hazel]

id use amagi

[vague token]

owari da will be good for stalling kgv probs

[shy hazel]

cos ijn plus 10 anyways

[vague token]

given the timing on her barrage

[ionic magnet]

depends but ill try both anyways

[vague token]

o.o

[zenith tundra]

it's only 3 hms so it would work with amagi and neptune vg

[vague token]

or sheffield ;)

[ionic magnet]

or belfast

[zenith tundra]

neptune will beat any hms vg once maxed

[ionic magnet]

yea problem is maxing her kek

[coral wren]

500+ blue prints lets goooo

[vague token]

i mean if you dont put any hp gear cant sheffield cover neptune with +1k?

[steep fog]

[zenith tundra]

can't wait for bismark roon clearing fleet

[vague token]

roon fate sim starts with shields

ultimate clear

[coral wren]

If only prinz was better, perhaps jesus roon and her would be an ok kms vanguard

[zenith tundra]

does bismark actually buffs fp?

[vague token]

i think just crit rate

if we go by translation

25%

25% crit rate and 12% reload

[shy hazel]

but in my opinion

it just equalizes ijn to hms

[vague token]

oh actually

isnt that a global buff based on the translation?

[ionic magnet]

i dont think i have 356 gun for kgv

[shy hazel]

in fact ijn still has more bullshit

until ws kai

[zenith tundra]

pls no

[shy hazel]

hiryuu still reigns supreme

then hiryuu kai

[zenith tundra]

tired of wannabe ijn lovers that just use meta

[vague token]

like when i hit google translate it feels like a class based buff for bismarck's crit boost

not a faction one

?_?

like it SHOULD be faction obviously

since it says iron blood fleet leader

xD

[zenith tundra]

can't u translate properly pls @shy hazel ?

出撃時、味方鉄血艦船の砲撃・雷撃・航空攻撃のクリティカル率が5.0%

[ionic magnet]

thats chinese yea?

[vagrant veldt]

jp

[ionic magnet]

oh

[zenith tundra]

it has kanas

[ionic magnet]

seriously these characters all look the same to me

[vague token]

all moon runes to me

[zenith tundra]

because jp is made from cn characters

[vague token]

i guess i would use 410 on biscuit since she has both a barrage and a shelling boost

so you dont gimp shell damage but have ok reload

xD

[zenith tundra]

381 trust me

it boost barrage dmg more and it's faster

[vague token]

i mean, depends on barrage pattern though

[shy hazel]

er im at work

sorry not right niw

[zenith tundra]

ok np

[shy hazel]

later

but prolly alec will tl it befirr ne

i leave work in an hour

[vagrant veldt]

出撃時、味方鉄血艦船の砲撃・雷撃・航空攻撃のクリティカル率が5.0%
increase ironblood maingun, torpedo, aviation attacks crit chance by 5%

[vague token]

ah

[zenith tundra]

wait is a crit buff?

not stats?

[vague token]

yes

up to 25% i think

[zenith tundra]

.............

[vague token]

xD

[ionic magnet]

thats a really good buff

[zenith tundra]

if so... well she's is ok

[vague token]

roon crit rate big yikes

[zenith tundra]

at least the reload is good for roon

[vagrant veldt]

the focus should be on Tirpitz

[ionic magnet]

tirpitz gun crits

[vagrant veldt]

her buff activates when other BBs die out

[zenith tundra]

from jp/cn prospective why would u use tirp over fdg

[vagrant veldt]

and assuming Bismarck's aura is similar to QE, there's a super Tirpitz

[zenith tundra]

maybe bismark tirp fdg

[coral wren]

with kgv won't they be cucked by hms heavily?

[zenith tundra]

pretty sure fdg gives no shit to ws kai shoots

[coral wren]

hm..

[hybrid tendon]

Yea

A maxed fdg can shrug off ws kai shots

[vague token]

BIG hp

[coral wren]

Any possibility to fit zeppelin in?

[zenith tundra]

rn yes

[coral wren]

instead of tir

ahg

[hybrid tendon]

Yea

[coral wren]

fuck

[hybrid tendon]

Run zepp bis fdg

Skip tirp

[modern tree]

Tirp is still a vanilla shelling boat

No matter how much you buff her

[hybrid tendon]

Its because graf's blue is too strong

[zenith tundra]

wish graf dmg was good tho

[coral wren]

hm, there no new kms planes so far in datamine right?

[hybrid tendon]

15% dmgrec is ultra broken

[vague token]

i mean

25% crit rate

for zep

[hybrid tendon]

But tirpitz deals more damage

[vague token]

might be workable

[hybrid tendon]

So there's that

[coral wren]

30% dmg boost to planes is ok, but those messers are mega yikes

[zenith tundra]

eh 2bb 1cv is a better comp usually then 3 bb

[vague token]

do planes crit aa guns xD

[hybrid tendon]

Due to the shit planes, graf deals ultra low damage

[coral wren]

🤔

[zenith tundra]

u use vf-17 and 2 junkers

no reason to use me

[hybrid tendon]

Yea

I got a maxed me for science

[shy hazel]

theres the new kms helicopter gears

[vague token]

they dont have bombs, why would you do that

xD

[shy hazel]

whats the data for that

[hybrid tendon]

After 3 pr farms i got too many plates

[zenith tundra]

i don't have gold to level up equip

it's so costly tbh

[shy hazel]

kms will probably be the first nation In this game

[vagrant veldt]

heli for ASW it seems

[hybrid tendon]

Also magquad are better than magquint right?

[shy hazel]

who will introduce

prototype jet planes

in this gane

[vagrant veldt]

F22

[hybrid tendon]

V2 missile support poggies

[shy hazel]

then kms planes wont be shit anymore

cos now its shit

[vagrant veldt]

need a gold Ju and fix its bombs

[modern tree]

Junkers is a good plane, dont at me, do the math

[vague token]

personally i thought junkers was already fine just looking at wiki tables lol

[shy hazel]

junkers is good but is still a niche

nobody still uses it

[vagrant veldt]

if I ever need to bomb exactly one ant I would use it

[vague token]

/double stuka sara xD

[hybrid tendon]

I have dual junkers

Maxed

But still

[vague token]

i like having extra bombs to try to hit vanguard with

[coral wren]

yeah, zep is far away from ijn or uss cvs who can glass shit

[vague token]

sadly we dont have 2 fairey fireflies yet ;)

[zenith tundra]

when there are three or more Royal belonging ships excluding itself in the friendly fleet

so u need full backlines hms and 1 vg or 1 hms backline and 2 vg

outside of kgv

[modern tree]

Zepp is only held back by her bad reload stat on her double db loudout

[zenith tundra]

the double db is the real killer tbh

[modern tree]

H

Her buff is still gross

And Roon exists, so you can probably put something together

[zenith tundra]

it still a 25% crit and 15% dmg reduction overall

i feel like fdg is really needed

[modern tree]

Doing like Juneau Roon ykkz with zepp bisquit backline is probably fine

Can slap Amagi on that and laugh

[zenith tundra]

for now we can try tirp instead of fdg

[modern tree]

Just use a good boat

[zenith tundra]

idk amagi on everything?

[blazing scroll]

She has debuffs

[steep fog]

Amagi too good

[vagrant veldt]

Amagi broken

[modern tree]

Stack damage reduction on damage reduction

[zenith tundra]

i want an amagi nerf already

[steep fog]

[lime rivet]

Okay, trusted datamine is coming out

Skills look legit

[hybrid tendon]

Why dont they just introduce the botes and skills in patchnote

[coral wren]

it should be like a christmas present

[shy hazel]

surprise bitch

good morning to kms meta

but well

kms still needa more ships

problem is kms ships barely existed irl

[coral wren]

kms meta

[zenith tundra]

kms meta without fdg doesnt seem so strong tbh

[vagrant veldt]

can the kms backline challenge the sakura one

[vague token]

with shells maybe xD

[vagrant veldt]

I feel like it would have to wait for at least a D20 FdG

[odd schooner]

Their leader preferred uboats so rip

[vague token]

subs for pvp when

[vagrant veldt]

4ch is source

CN datamine should be on its way

[odd schooner]

Stats?

I think i got the doc

[vagrant veldt]

JP pre download was out earlier I think. might be done already if you could find it

[zenith tundra]

does graf buff ends when she dies?

[modest elbow]

Graf zepp? I don't think so

[zenith tundra]

yes graf zepp

[vagrant veldt]

CN Stats and skills matches the JP datamine.

still waiting on barrages

[lime rivet]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18MGulV4P0fk8zslRTTsNY8z6UsXAmxQ8Ms6XEzPoqd8/edit?usp=sharing

Dimbreath's datamine

He's trusted

[vagrant veldt]

yes I compared it with his

https://nga.178.com/read.php?tid=17339156

barrages are here

[zenith tundra]

is the 3rd line in kgv barrage the enhanced version?

[vagrant veldt]

Yes, enhanced version of the one above

[zenith tundra]

outside of bismark 1st barrage part that seems to be normal ammo all the other are really weird

120 60 60 wtf is that supposed to be

[buoyant parrot]

Wahrheit自身の主砲攻撃時の一撃目は必ずクリティカルになる;自身の副砲枠に軽巡主砲適用の兵装を装備している場合、自身の副砲の索敵範囲と射程は65(90)になり、与えるダメージが35%ダウンする

[charred sable]

So Bismarck is an Ironblood flagship

or a standalone special barrage

all depends on her barrage

first shot criting doesnt do much since it'll usually be a miss on the vanguard anyway

[zenith tundra]

bismark barrage seems to be 110x8 normal shoots and 20x14 he shoots

[charred sable]

KGV has no QE buff nor special barrage

so probably a no go for PvP

[zenith tundra]

other bb have he barrages with half dmg for medium and heavy

[charred sable]

gotta see the spread on that barrage

but I have a feel its not a meta-changer

especially with PR2s

[zenith tundra]

considering this bismark barrage should be like washy/kaga bb

same type of barrages with strong normal shoots and filler he shoots

[charred sable]

oh wait, is the barrage conditional on being a flagship?

[sharp wing]

Wiki already has skill descriptions

[zenith tundra]

yes should be

[sharp wing]

translated

[zenith tundra]

When used as the flagship, 40% (70%) to trigger a barrage when firing main gun. Damage dealt by Ironblood carriers is increased by 10% (20%).

she must be flagship

for barrage

[buoyant parrot]

Is that kms carriers or any other?

[charred sable]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Bismarck

[zenith tundra]

it says ironblood carriers

so graf/zeppy

[buoyant parrot]

Ew...

[zenith tundra]

not really but eww indeed

[sharp wing]

The funniest part is..... Increase damage dealt by Tirpitz by 20% (40%).

Lol....

[charred sable]

yeah, I dont think Bismark is any good for PvP

not even worth using for buffing FdG

Sadness

still waifu though

[sharp wing]

Bismark+Tirp can be a thing

[buoyant parrot]

well good thing she's not a meta changer

[charred sable]

Tirpiz has no barrage

[buoyant parrot]

but i think we still need to see what the barrage looks like coz it may defer

[sharp wing]

I mean not for pvp

[charred sable]

her barrage needs to be Nagato-tier

[modern tree]

KGV is the real bomb

[buoyant parrot]

if its Nagato tier I might consider.... Otherwise she's disgusting to even be in my "Favorites"

[sharp wing]

But ye

[charred sable]

I dunno, I think even for PvE, there's many better options

[sharp wing]

Even tirpits loses her skill w/ Bismark, Bismark buffs her for more damage

[buoyant parrot]

and to think that ship is the one who sunk Hood...

[sharp wing]

Than her own skill

[buoyant parrot]

pathetic skills...

could call that case "LUCKY HIT" I guess

[zenith tundra]

bismark barrage considering damage and modifiers should be like washy/kaga bb

[sharp wing]

"Sinks Hood on hit"

[charred sable]

KGV is gonna depend on how strong her barrage is as well and if that bonus from her skill offsets the damage diff of using a Quadruple 356mm

[sharp wing]

[charred sable]

probably yes though due to the barrage speed

[zenith tundra]

kgv barrage seems hard to pinpoint to others actually

[charred sable]

3 or more ships from the Royal Navy is easy too

[sharp wing]

But the point she uses that godawful quad gun...

[zenith tundra]

3 more without her

so 4 like amagi ijn

[charred sable]

oh, it doesnt include herself?

Warspite, Neptune, and wildcard

put in QE I guess

[zenith tundra]

the jp translation was without

[sharp wing]

Wiki doesn't say without

[zenith tundra]

when there are three or more Royal belonging ships excluding itself in the friendly fleet.

this is straight translation from jp

[charred sable]

KGV, Warspite, QE / Juneau, Neptune, Yukikaze

[sharp wing]

[zenith tundra]

3 or more

so u need backlines and 1 vg

[sharp wing]

Any1 even has not scraped 356 quad xD?

[modern tree]

I have a +10 quad

[zenith tundra]

kgv + qe + monarch + neptune should be en meta till maybe centaur

i have all gold trash guns

[charred sable]

yeah, probably actually

since we dont have PR2 nor some of the Retrofits

[modern tree]

I have every piece of unique golds at +10 because ships like Massachusetts happen

[zenith tundra]

i love my 380 +10

[charred sable]

KGV + QE + Monarch vs Nagato + Amagi + Hiryuu non-Kai

[zenith tundra]

is so useless normally but so good for bb nerf

[charred sable]

KGV's early launch will probably win out

[zenith tundra]

i would say depends on offense

and kgv is just mg shoot

since barrage is fixed to 24sec

[charred sable]

KGV's barrage timing is weird

compounded with her even weirder gun

[zenith tundra]

weird ship

[charred sable]

so timing windows are gonna be... interesting

[sharp wing]

She is... perfectly balanced

[charred sable]

that said, if her barrage is just a Washington/South Dakota barrage, then naw

[modern tree]

If she can shell the vg reliably with her early shot, she's way more than good enough

Cuz you don't struggle with good barrage boats for HMS

[charred sable]

yeah, but that depends on the barrage pattern

[zenith tundra]

i wonder if her fast reload on mg is due to ws kai skill

[charred sable]

if its an arc, then it'll probably miss just like every other arc barrage xD

[modern tree]

It really doesn't cuz you get an entire quad salvo extra

And sunk ships can't hurt yyno more

[zenith tundra]

like intentionally trying to avoid her not shooting vgs

[charred sable]

reduce spread by 2

the weird reload timer is probably most definitely related to Warspite Kai

er, Warspite Kai vs Hiryuu Kai

[zenith tundra]

now it's about if she can actually hit vgs or not

with 356 should be easy enough

and the strong fp bonus she gets should make up for the bad gun dmg

[sharp wing]

w/ reduced spread, it must be tighter, than 406?

[charred sable]

Regardless of her PvP viability though...

[sharp wing]

So probably won't be better at hitting vg

[zenith tundra]

depends on how good a -2 spread is since for ws kai is not that much iirc

[sharp wing]

[modern tree]

It's still 4 shells

And it still barely delays her second shot cuz 75% is a lot

[sharp wing]

Also much smaller burns

[zenith tundra]

even with -2 spread it goes from 25 to 23 which is more then 22 for 406

[charred sable]

Ayanami RNG 2.0

[sharp wing]

[buoyant parrot]

damn KGV skills looks good on paper

[zenith tundra]

a rough math for it should be like 5.76s 1st shoot 28.83s 2nd shoot 51.9s 3rd shoot. this at level 120 with her buff and qe max oath

even at 223 reload from all the buffs 356 shoots at 23.07s intervals

slowest gold bb gun in the game after all

[sharp wing]

If her barrage was on-fire and she could proc it w/ that 6 sec shot tho...

[shy hazel]

so,zack

share me your plan

how u grind pr ships on event map

share or die

[buoyant parrot]

Join our guild then spoil the plan

[zenith tundra]

her fp tho... with qe and self buff and using 356 and 152 proto she gets to a 726fp at max oath at 120

[shy hazel]

no we have own guild hey

[buoyant parrot]

[sharp wing]

Her fp almost as good, as WS non Kai

[ionic magnet]

wait what

726 fp?

[sharp wing]

That's w/ buffs and 200 aff

[zenith tundra]

if we throw white shells in it's 800 fp at 120 200 oath

with qe and self buff

[sharp wing]

But i dun buy rings anyway

[zenith tundra]

not even fdg reaches 800 fp easily

[trim horizon]

Just woke up,anyone willing to tell me briefly how trash Bismarck is ?

[ionic magnet]

check wiki its updated

[shy hazel]

shes not trash

sad to say

[buoyant parrot]

Not so much... Still on the trash tier

[zenith tundra]

she's an ironblood flagship that buffs crit rate and cv damage with a barrage like washy/kaga bb and tirp dmg by 40%

[shy hazel]

the game just doesnt have enuf kms units and gears

to use her properly

[zenith tundra]

that's all i can deduct about bismark

[sharp wing]

And she can be used w/ Tirp

[shy hazel]

kms planes better kms cv

[buoyant parrot]

Let's wait and see what her barrage looks like then maybe she ain't trash tier

[shy hazel]

oh kms doesnt have alot of goos frontliners too

[zenith tundra]

idk about farming tbh gonna farm with belfast and sheffield i guess for a while

[shy hazel]

i guess u gonna burn oil

like a chinese factory

[sharp wing]

[zenith tundra]

like my 30+ oil izumo farm???

fleet

[shy hazel]

i never went up 25

[zenith tundra]

for backlines there is no cheap

[sharp wing]

I was farming ch11 tho...

[shy hazel]

k i guess i really go uss

probably

[zenith tundra]

i can also farm monarch while leveling kgv

[shy hazel]

minne can solo some sirens

[empty sinew]

just finished an exam, how's the new botes

[zenith tundra]

balance tbh

no new amagi at least

their skills are on the wiki

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/King_George_V#Level_120_

[empty sinew]

KGV looks sick on paper tho

[zenith tundra]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Bismarck

[odd schooner]

Biscuit Graf Hiryuu
Juneau Roon Yukikaze anyone

[zenith tundra]

idk about that her barrage is really slow and after her 1st fast mg shoot they are kind of slow

i would use bismark graf amagi

no need for 2 cvs

[odd schooner]

Oh ye amagi would be nice

[zenith tundra]

kgv has amazing fp but she's really slow for pvp

[odd schooner]

Can change ykkz too?

Like prinz or something

[sharp wing]

Or maybe Biscuit Tirp amagi if reduction not needed

[odd schooner]

Nah tirp doesn't do much

[zenith tundra]

unless her barrage is broken idk if she's necessarily that strong

[empty sinew]

I wanna say Bisko - Tirpz but Tirpz would just be a meatshield shooting water

[odd schooner]

Ye

Big issue

[sharp wing]

[odd schooner]

Doesn't buff ships unlike QE

[empty sinew]

Bisko being pve ship

[zenith tundra]

i hate stupid game news

[odd schooner]

Scam

[zenith tundra]

idk if she's pvp or pve but she seems ok

if that barrage hits as hard as kaga bb she's fine

[odd schooner]

But pve is pretty much covered already by other ships right

Or just expanding option

[empty sinew]

biskotirpz with that 🚮 aa tho

[zenith tundra]

the 0 ammo equip looks interesting if it's good

[wicked rivet]

Oh wow bisko actually fixes tirp so u can use them both

[sharp wing]

Yeap

She actually gives Tirp more damage, than her skill

[zenith tundra]

i think for pve bismark tirp will be best 0 ammo combo ever

[empty sinew]

[sharp wing]

Tho Tirp torps at non flag spot are half wasted

[odd schooner]

insert friendship over with hyuuga meme

[zenith tundra]

fixed by bismark amazing 2nd gun range

[odd schooner]

[sharp wing]

At cost of -35% damage tho

[zenith tundra]

i would use bismark tirp hyuuga kai

[empty sinew]

and barrage > tirp torps any day

[odd schooner]

I'll still bring a CVL

[zenith tundra]

just put roon and gg

[odd schooner]

Lmao

Can be

[ionic magnet]

thats 2 full grown BBs too

rip oils

[zenith tundra]

i think they can literally melt anything tho

in pve

[ionic magnet]

yea

[empty sinew]

oh, so now the only thing left is a USS buffer

[sharp wing]

It exists already?

[odd schooner]

Essex only rip

[sharp wing]

Tho not in EN

[zenith tundra]

bunker hill

[odd schooner]

Oh ye bunker

But...

[sharp wing]

yea

[odd schooner]

Not so well

[empty sinew]

[sharp wing]

USS has strong standalone shipst ho

[odd schooner]

Could have buffed the other essex ship as well and make a Pillarmen Fleet

[empty sinew]

that explains why Bunker's buff are pretty 🚮

[shy hazel]

[zenith tundra]

15% fp is not that bad

[shy hazel]

the game is just waiting to make uss reign supreme

when u buff strong solo ships

[odd schooner]

Montana and friends?

Oh wait

[zenith tundra]

well technically speaking they had the most money to make stuff so they ended up with best ships

[odd schooner]

Kgv mentioned usn?

[empty sinew]

[odd schooner]

Or just the 3 other factions?

[zenith tundra]

hms

[odd schooner]

No i mean her skill

[zenith tundra]

she's like pow but for hms ships

[sharp wing]

Increase damage dealt to Sakura Empire, Ironblood, Sardinia and Siren factions by 4% (10%).

[zenith tundra]

and it doesn't stack only if u have more then 3

[odd schooner]

Sardinia is what

[shy hazel]

sardinia is italy btw

[odd schooner]

What

[sharp wing]

New Faction

[empty sinew]

Sardines

[shy hazel]

not rly

[odd schooner]

We have pizza ships now

[sharp wing]

[shy hazel]

the name has been peeked for awhile iirc

[sharp wing]

yes

Expecting some new event w/ Italy ships i think

[shy hazel]

theres just

0 ships

[odd schooner]

Floating piece of metal with propellers attached

[zenith tundra]

it's actually the name of an island and it's sardegna

[odd schooner]

[empty sinew]

oh, so it wasn't named after the fishes

[sharp wing]

lmao

[shy hazel]

[zenith tundra]

it's in between italy and france

[sharp wing]

Sardinia is island

[zenith tundra]

well italian spelling is sardegna tbh

[shy hazel]

i should make my own navy and nme it Tunania

[odd schooner]

I got corrupted by hetalia

[sharp wing]

Well, we speak English, tbh

[zenith tundra]

ok fair

i didn't know it by that name

[empty sinew]

it'll generally be called the Pizza faction tbh

[sharp wing]

[empty sinew]

[shy hazel]

u mean

pasta

[coral wren]

I bet their gear skin will have ketchup bottles. Because thats how u season a good bowl of pasta

[zenith tundra]

i don't think u use ketchup in italy on pasta. it is tomato sauce but not ketchup

[sharp wing]

'muricans

[steep fog]

[zenith tundra]

what kind of ammo would hit more on heavy then medium and then light... that kgv barrage have pretty weird modifiers

[sharp wing]

Some barrages have AP ammo, that has Light armor most damage...

[empty sinew]

barrage made for slapping backliners

[zenith tundra]

yeah but ap does more dmg to medium then heavy

[sharp wing]

So that basically HE modifiers put on Ap, but this...

[zenith tundra]

kgv 1st part of the barrage is definitely he

[sharp wing]

'Torpedo shells'

[zenith tundra]

omg

it has same modifiers as torp

[sharp wing]

Yeap

That's what i'm talking

[zenith tundra]

wtf

[sharp wing]

Maybe it has torpedoes in barrage?

But ship has no torp stat

[zenith tundra]

non ijn ship with torp barrage

[sharp wing]

[zenith tundra]

maybe raining torpedoes lol

[sharp wing]

"Torpedo Shells" it is

[zenith tundra]

does she shoot actual missiles?

instead of shells

[sharp wing]

Lmao

Would be hilarious

missile cruiser ww2

Also does she has 100 or 110 on Med?

cause 110 is aviation torps

[zenith tundra]

80 100 130 like torp

[sharp wing]

Then usual torps

[zenith tundra]

it still doesn't make much sense with 0 torp stat

[sharp wing]

Yeah, w/ 0 torp stat, there will be no torps

Just slapped torp modifiers on shells

Biscuit HE shells have DD HE gun modifier too

[zenith tundra]

well washi and kaga bb have same type of shells

[sharp wing]

While Ap have BB AP modifiers tho

Wait, Nomral, not ap

Normal BB shells + DD HE shells

Oh well\

[zenith tundra]

which is same modifiers those 2 also get

[sharp wing]

Yeah, the small shells

Like, the ship fires main gun, then secondaries

[zenith tundra]

also why i said that her barrage should be like those 2

[sharp wing]

But KGV Torp modifiers... Boi

And the other shells in that barrage also have unusual modifier...

Mix of AP and AP+ CL ammo

[zenith tundra]

it should be he but the modifiers are weird

[sharp wing]

100 80 70

innovations in everything

[zenith tundra]

so curious about her barrage tbh

[sharp wing]

Yeah, me too now

[zenith tundra]

maybe that 0.5% build rate will happen

but i want bismark too

[sharp wing]

I'll just buy her for points

Same like w/ Kizu and Zkk

Those 0.5% are not worth trying

[zenith tundra]

cn/jp have dr bps at 60k accumulation

wonder if we get pr bps at that

[sharp wing]

I spent on 1st Zkk event around 250 cubes... Ended up buying anyway

From shop

[zenith tundra]

i never try building ships if i can buy them or non sr drop

[sharp wing]

Well, me too after that

[silver root]

is FDG considered a pvp ship?

[shy hazel]

field-able

[zenith tundra]

no one has maxed fdg yet

hard to say before max dev level

[silver root]

I see

[zenith tundra]

but with bismark and graf might be a good combo

[sharp wing]

FdG at 120 w/ oath gets 10k hp and beats SpiteKai in FP

[silver root]

good enough to beat namaryuu?

ijn still seems to be the best in CN meta

[zenith tundra]

jp meta should be ws kai + stuff

[shy hazel]

there is still no fdg

that has max dev levels

[sharp wing]

Decisive takes shitload of BPs

[shy hazel]

rainbow bps

not simple bps

[sharp wing]

Yeah

[silver root]

oof

[sharp wing]

500+ rainbow BPs (that's without Fate yet)

[trim horizon]

https://gfycat.com/KeyColorlessKarakul

[sharp wing]

funny

that's like lvl 1 tho?

[trim horizon]

dunno

probably

[sharp wing]

Those 8 big shells have TORP modifiers

[trim horizon]

30 more Bps

[sharp wing]

We will get 30 S1 bp

Same like w/ Kizu event probably

[shy hazel]

do you know what nickname i give to kgv

she's one cheap ho

[sharp wing]

[shy hazel]

only 8000 medals

[trim horizon]

saber

[sharp wing]

8k is normal price

[lunar veldt]

kgv barrage

https://gfycat.com/KeyColorlessKarakul

[sharp wing]

Already posted above

[lunar veldt]

ah mbad

its normal shells right?

[zenith tundra]

it looks fine

actually pretty good for pvp

backline pressure with vg dmg

[sharp wing]

Thosre are big 'Torp' + small cl ap shells..

Not Normal

[zenith tundra]

also considering 800 fp she should hit pretty hard

[sharp wing]

Like Spite

wiki almost dead, lol

[zenith tundra]

if it wouldn't be for the 75% cdr u could use other guns instead of 356

[lunar veldt]

yeah its initial barrage is like washy's

[sharp wing]

I might even scraped all 356

Or have 1 on some BB equiped as stash

[shy hazel]

at least

it can potentialy high vg more

than wash

[zenith tundra]

i use 356 to meme in maritime attack daily so i don't waste time watching too many bb shoots animations while auto

[sharp wing]

small shells basically slash through vg

[modern tree]

That's lvl 1? Lawl, this boat is gonna be so busted

[sharp wing]

Also, small shells have Ap modifiers, but don't penetrate

So tank can just eat barrage if aligned

[modern tree]

She's just gonna clean vgs so fast

[zenith tundra]

small shells have the 100 80 70 modifiers

should be he

[sharp wing]

CL Ap mix

[versed atlas]

welp, i didn't get zeppy

so bisko is never gonna be great for me

rip

[zenith tundra]

while the big ones hit like torp but are actual shells

u only need graf zep for pvp

[versed atlas]

graf, bisko

what else?

[zenith tundra]

zeppy should be that good

amagi for en

fdg for cn jp

[versed atlas]

oh yeah, amagi is insane

that's a good point

[sharp wing]

If in doubt, slap Amagi

[versed atlas]

amagi is almost always #1 damage in my fleet

[sharp wing]

[odd schooner]

Sick foxe oneechan best

[sharp wing]

That's how you ruin game experience

[versed atlas]

actually

[steep fog]

amagi is insane in pvp cos the debuff and backline eva buff

[versed atlas]

i guess i could just use tirpitz too

since bisko specifically buffs tirpitz

[modern tree]

Just use a good boat instead

[odd schooner]

How abt front

[zenith tundra]

if kgv barrage was gun based she would be busted tbh. i can't immagine the dmg of the big shell on heavy armor with 130 modifier

[sharp wing]

Well, Tirp lack of barrage

[modern tree]

Juneau Roon ykkz

With bisquit zepp Amagi

Just don't die

[steep fog]

kgv barrage is torp based wtf?

[odd schooner]

Like baga?

[sharp wing]

just big shells have torp modifiers

[zenith tundra]

same modifiers as torpedoes

baga shoots normal ammo shells

[odd schooner]

Vid won't load. H+ life

[zenith tundra]

with small dd he

[shy hazel]

got baited by game news again

[odd schooner]

[shy hazel]

[lunar veldt]

does anyone have bismarck's barrage?

or is it still rhine drill?

cuz it probably is

[zenith tundra]

people from jp/cn could post lvl 1 barrages

[lunar veldt]

no one

so far

time to test it out

[buoyant parrot]

Kgv barrage looks good considering that's lv 1

[zenith tundra]

don't worry if it looks good to u for wis is trash

[sharp wing]

[buoyant parrot]

[charred sable]

Yeah, that's a solid barrage

It might not be a strong as Nagato's, but its early strike will make a huge diff

[zenith tundra]

24sec is not early

[charred sable]

Does it not proc on the first wave?

[zenith tundra]

timed barrage

not gun barrage

[charred sable]

Oh derp

[zenith tundra]

she seems pretty slow overall even with the 75% cdr

[charred sable]

Hmm, then I think Nagato /Amagi /Hiryuu will still stay meta on EN

On JP and CN, I think it'll be Warspite /KGV /QE

Until people get FdG up

[gilded atlas]

QE feels meh

[zenith tundra]

i don't really know tbh

is a slow kgv better then monarch?

[sharp wing]

Doubt...

[charred sable]

Hmm, probably not actually

Monarch and Warspite both directly hit back

[sharp wing]

maybe replacing QE w/ KGV

[charred sable]

KGV is frontal clear, but slow

[zenith tundra]

even if her dmg is very good in between 356 and barrage she should still lose dmg to monarch

[charred sable]

Monarch + Warspite are meant to work together to delete one backline fast, and QE boosts that speed

KGV doesn't offer anything towards that goal

[zenith tundra]

by 48 sec and 59 sec for 2nd barrage and 3rd mg shoot monarch would do like 3-4 barrages?

[charred sable]

So yeah, RIP KGV

[sharp wing]

I'm just happy we didn't get another Amagi TBH

[charred sable]

At least she's got legs going for her

[zenith tundra]

i'll still try her a bit since 800 fp sounds insane

[zenith tundra]

but she can't really use that with 356

[gilded atlas]

seems like an upgrade if we don't consider torp

[sharp wing]

Her buff is not fleet buff tho

[zenith tundra]

not sure if kgv buffs fleet tho

[gilded atlas]

oh it only does it for herself?

[sharp wing]

Yeah

[blazing scroll]

I think it's self buff

[charred sable]

QEs affects all, KGV sounds like it affects herself only

[zenith tundra]

she seems like pow

[sharp wing]

It's like PoW

[charred sable]

Which is weird given KGV was a flagship

At least Ironblood now finally has a flagship

[silver root]

rip KGV

[zenith tundra]

qe retro back in fantasy meta lol

[gilded atlas]

90 range secondary weapon for the lulz

[sharp wing]

And tirpitz can be used w/ other BBs w/ Bisco

[zenith tundra]

she only gets 2ndary +1 and -35% dmg

[charred sable]

Now it's just Eagle Union still without a flagship buff

[zenith tundra]

pretty sure would still be good due to astronomic range

for pvp is like having 1 extra ship shooting all the time

solo yeah

but the equip might help

depending on how good it is

at least at 0 ammo

i can totally see bismark tirp best 0 ammo combo

[sharp wing]

Pretty much, esp since w/ Bisco Tirp has more damage, than alone

[zenith tundra]

at that range she might be able to shoot a 3rd time due to reload maybe?

also she should be able to hit both aux shoots easily

on same jihad

[sharp wing]

The problem is, at that range she will target not jihads...

She will keep targeting mobs

[zenith tundra]

it could be a problem vs jihads

[sharp wing]

Yeap

[zenith tundra]

but overall that's interesting

[sharp wing]

It's even sometimes a problem with PR CL gun as aux

Since it has increased range

It can be solved by equiping some wide spread gun tho

[zenith tundra]

if she can attack from so far away she should be able to be way more active then other bb in general

[sharp wing]

like triple 152

That actually might be fun

w/ triple 152 she probably will cover 2/3 of screen, lol

[coral wren]

So, qe survives another day Damn, if kgv buffed the whole fleet that would be nuts

[gilded atlas]

yeah

[zenith tundra]

kgv + qe buffs lol hms stat powercreeps

[sharp wing]

overkill

[zenith tundra]

imagine ws kai with 1.5xfp lol

[sharp wing]

Wish they fixed PoW skill to work w/ HMS ships...

[zenith tundra]

u just got pow with hms buff

called kgv

[sharp wing]

[coral wren]

But i'm just glad monarch is still in the game

[safe meteor]

expecting 37 min left of maintenance?

[sharp wing]

It was enhacned barrage on gif w/ 8 big shells

[zenith tundra]

the enhance is just more small projectiles much like zeppy tbh

[stark raft]

wait for core data shells and let's see what kgv can do

[sharp wing]

Enhance just increases big shells count from 6 to 8

Gif had 8 big shells

well, also increases big shells damage

[zenith tundra]

a 14% dmg increase x shell and 2 more

[shy hazel]

oh

[sharp wing]

"Torpedo Shells"

[shy hazel]

i didnt realize its a solo skill

i guess qe is still alive

[zenith tundra]

do the extra land even on something i wonder

[sharp wing]

eh

[zenith tundra]

if they go to the side it might not be that good

[sharp wing]

With enhanced it has 2x2 shells parallel each other, w 6 it should be 3 in middle

[safe meteor]

does the pvp guide get updated btw?

[zenith tundra]

well both kgv and bismark are new no one knows how good they actually are

[sharp wing]

I actually think enhanced can miss a lot

[safe meteor]

its hard to compete with Nagato fleets?

[zenith tundra]

i would remove tirp for amagi and u have an actual team tbh

[gilded atlas]

pretty high crit chance

[zenith tundra]

even with crit and dmg from bismark tirp relies on normal shells

[sharp wing]

Amagi + Graff def buff...

That's some stalling

[elder crane]

I still question Graf there tbh

is she good enough?

[zenith tundra]

20% dmg from bismark

[sharp wing]

For 15% damage reduction purpose only...

[zenith tundra]

i mean it's something

[elder crane]

Yeah but no other boosts

[zenith tundra]

and the def buff

[elder crane]

literally every other CV used has some other damage boost

[sharp wing]

I mean it's KMS... There nothing to be Picky about

[zenith tundra]

u want bismark tirp amagi or something?

[elder crane]

and her def buff is pretty meh, cause lets be real, who are you even using it on?

[gilded atlas]

frontline there's roon + juneau + 1 more

[sharp wing]

Oh well

[elder crane]

Bismarck/Amagi/X

[zenith tundra]

random en team cool

[sharp wing]

If you remove Graf, then no point keeping Bisco tbh

[elder crane]

No good KMS main in EN right now imo

[zenith tundra]

with fdg and bismark i can see graf used

[elder crane]

Yeah, then maybe

Bis/FdG/Graf seems legit

[sharp wing]

FDG will take us 2 year

[zenith tundra]

hopefully less

[sharp wing]

W/ rainbow BPs

[safe meteor]

who was the other new ship again? Bismarck and?

[sharp wing]

King George V

KGV

[safe meteor]

King George V any good?

[elder crane]

not sure on Roon, we'll see, her weaknesses for PvP still stand

Depends on how good her barrage is probably, KGV

[sharp wing]

Monarch prolly better

So just meh....

[safe meteor]

and what aboot Bismarck?

[elder crane]

Very powerful, it seems

for PvP

Secondary range boost is a massive deal, I think

[zenith tundra]

bismark makes kms a thing tbh

[sharp wing]

We cant complement Bis in En w / other KMS ships much tho

[elder crane]

and her other skills/stats are also great

has a barrage

[safe meteor]

i guess waiting for mor KMS ships?

[elder crane]

and buffs KMS by a pretty fair amount

[zenith tundra]

waiting for fdg pretty much for kms

[sharp wing]

Or other new KMS event ship

[elder crane]

So, Graf gets 20% damage boost and 25% critrate

[safe meteor]

so pray for 6:00 hour construction timer every time

[zenith tundra]

there aren't that many kms ships

[sharp wing]

I mean totally new for cn/jp

[gilded atlas]

pray for more pr kms botes

[sharp wing]

inb4 PR kms U-bote

[zenith tundra]

i don't think there should be any more fdg bismark level ships for kms unless it's a prototype

[sharp wing]

Well, tbh PR depends on Wows and...

You know things in Wows get messy...

Like why we don't have PR CVs

Cause they can't even properly fix existing ones

[zenith tundra]

i want a cv pr already

[safe meteor]

Tirpitz and Bismarck have weird synergy?

[sharp wing]

Tirpitz works w/ Bis pretty good

[safe meteor]

Bismarck specifically buffs her with one skil,, but she needs to be the lone Battleship?

[sharp wing]

Bis buffs her even more damage, than her own skill

[safe meteor]

isnt that weird?

[sharp wing]

So tirp not lose damage

[zenith tundra]

bismark buff is so the 2 can work together

[safe meteor]

ah i guess so

[zenith tundra]

it nullifies all dmg loss from tirp skill

[safe meteor]

i see now

[sharp wing]

w/ Bis you can sue 3rd BB w/ Tirp comp

[zenith tundra]

and gives a 10% extra

[sharp wing]

[safe meteor]

so still figuring out who to take as 3rd?

[sharp wing]

From KMS point graf

But what for?

You won't use that 3 main in PVE much

And for pvp...

[zenith tundra]

for pvp tirp might not make it since her main dmg is based on main gun and it's easy to miss shoots that way

[safe meteor]

magnetic torps unreliable?

[zenith tundra]

for pve bismark tirp should be best duo at 0 ammo

the dmg is low

[sharp wing]

Magnetic torps are only jihad measure tbh

[zenith tundra]

nowhere near a nagato barrage or amagi

[safe meteor]

even with that buff?

i see

but its guaranteed though?

[sharp wing]

Yes

They are 100% timed launch

[safe meteor]

every 15 sec

and buffed by 25% from Bismarck?

[sharp wing]

40%