pvp

[vague token]

or they had a triple 410 proto with HE i guess

[coral wren]

Are quads even usable in pve?

[wicked rivet]

quads arent usable anywhere

[coral wren]

[vague token]

quads are a dps loss i think?

and like the frenchy quads are aimed weird

it shoots two sets of two shots, but the 2nd set is aimed where the first set was

so good luck hitting anything

hms quads are just trash tier

xD

[vagrant veldt]

and then the spread is large. hitting anything after the first 2 shells is up to how jean bart is feeling

[vague token]

spread is smaller than hms quads

1 degree less

and they're faster

by like 5 seconds

so if you WANT to use a quad

use only french quads

the hms ones go straight in the recycle bin

lower dps than 381mm

xD

[elder crane]

French quads are still even questionable on JB who gets buffed with them which is

[vague token]

i mean, they're at least thinkable there

like you can briefly consider them

hms quads though

_>

[elder crane]

Yep, "questionable" instead of outright meme

[vague token]

honestly the fireworks gun is better than the hms quads

least it shoots fast

i think they actually have less total shell damage than 406 lol

108 * 4

no coefficient bonus

reeee

inb4 king george gets bonuses with quads

+30% efficiency, 33% faster recharge

xD

honestly wouldnt be terrible

if it was literally like that

By being instrumental in the destruction of two modern enemy battleships, the 14-inch Mark VII gun was, arguably, one of the most successful battleship main armaments of World War II.[17]

irony

xD

[charred sable]

KGV will likely have a similar but non stacking buff with QE

[vagrant veldt]

these are the quads right?

[charred sable]

Upgraded QE

[vague token]

yeah the 14inch mark vii was the signature gun of the king george class

eg 356mm

or so

dork used it to wreck scharnhorst

[cerulean estuary]

what gun name is 18.1 inches in the game

forgot the pic or name of it

[vague token]

georgia's gun

[cerulean estuary]

ah ok ok . no yamato gun?

[zenith tundra]

too bad landing 4 shoots on anything is like winning at the lottery in this game

[vague token]

twin 457mm mark a proto

on wiki

is georgia's gun

even if you land all 4

it's still worse than landing 3 406 hits

the total shell base is lower

[charred sable]

Azur Lane needs to be like FGO. Bunch of hidden attributes and multipliers based on that

[vague token]

and the coefficient is lower

not even counting the 29 second base reload

lol

which means it's less accurate, weaker fires, shoots slower

[charred sable]

Ship X does double damage to ship Y due to historical events

[zenith tundra]

if she's trash she's trash

[elder crane]

Georgia is 18 in, no 18.1

[vague token]

oh, who is 18.1

[cerulean estuary]

guys dont u think in the future will be seeing M262 jet fighters? coz historically its on WW2

[elder crane]

Yamato is 18.1, but she's not in yet

[vague token]

is that yamato?

ok

[charred sable]

Did 0.1 inches actually make any significant combat difference?

[elder crane]

cause 460mm, following metric system
not any real difference irl

Yama shell was lighter, so actually worse than the other contemporary 18in designs

[vague token]

i doubt it'd get anymore base damage than the 457

unless it was a quad/triple

[charred sable]

So pretty much standardization was just not a thing during that time

[elder crane]

It's a triple

[cerulean estuary]

imagine if the PLAN H or Z of german navy been completed on ww2

well be seeing 20 inch guns

[vague token]

oh so it'll be lower per shell probably

[elder crane]

idk, not sure what AL uses to determine damage
If they follow WG in mainly shell weight/charge, then Yama shells will do less base

but then again we have hidden mods so

[vague token]

it's usually caliber first, then number of barrels

looking at the wiki table

[elder crane]

explain why 406 more base than 410s, then...

hidden mods seem to mostly scale with gun count

[vague token]

faction?

xD

magic

[elder crane]

I think the 406s irl are heavier shells

[vague token]

oh yeah it says 16 inch but 45

on the 406

[vagrant veldt]

couldn't the mk6 load SHS?

[vague token]

so it's bigger

all the 406/410 are around the same damage at least

minus fireworks

under those it gets weird

the 381 and lower is whacky

[vagrant veldt]

mk6 should be able to use SHS

[vague token]

triple 381 proto has 142 base, hood gun kai is 133

nani

[elder crane]

1,020 kg for 410s
960 kg/1020 kg for early USN 406s (Colorado-class, the twin 406 in game)
1200 kg for the ones on NoCal/Sodak (the triple turret 406mk6 we have)
929 kg for RN 406s

KMS 406, is design proposal so

[vague token]

[vagrant veldt]

kms shells are like stuffed with sand

[vague token]

the twin 380mm ap is similar to hood gun kai just ap

so at least that one is similar

but then the quad 380 drops another 12

how heavy were french gun shells

xD

[elder crane]

884 kg

[vague token]

oh ok that's why

[elder crane]

all pulled from wiki, so errors possible

[vague token]

maybe it's just caliber lol

with weight

then there's mikasa gun 305 with 74 damage lol

[elder crane]

800 kg for the 380 german

[vague token]

lower than the bigger shark gun

where's our gold twin 305 prototype

for the memes

[elder crane]

879 kg for the RN 381
But I think the 381 prototype is a different gun, maybe

[vague token]

[elder crane]

720 kg for the quad 356

[coral wren]

Is there a way to never lose a pvp

I keep losing games cuz I forgot to pay attention

[finite valve]

fast finger with the pause button

well if that the case pay attention LMFAO

[coral wren]

I try to but sometimes I forget

[finite valve]

that on you

even if you use t0 meta you can still lose due to RNG

nothing is set in stone

[coral wren]

Rip I lost 2 games this season. It's over

[finite valve]

what you want?

top 10 end of season?

[coral wren]

Fleet admiral

[finite valve]

lel

that ez

[coral wren]

I cant

I was 11 last season

[finite valve]

you can get aotn with 9 loses

[coral wren]

I don't sandbag every fight

I do 5 at once

[finite valve]

welp that your problem lel

you in avrora?

[coral wren]

Washi

[finite valve]

just sang bag for 1 day then

[zenith tundra]

what fleet are u using?

[coral wren]

What do you mean for 1 day

Like every fight

For 10 fights

And I use cookie cutter tenryuumon

[zenith tundra]

[finite valve]

tbh you can win on off with any fleet if you know how to build counter meta

the problem is RNG fuck you up

[coral wren]

So for 10 fights I need to get +11

[finite valve]

no

that not how sang bag work

[coral wren]

I thought you just wait for someone else to go

[zenith tundra]

sandbag 1st and 2nd day of a season and u should be fine

[coral wren]

So waste excersizes?

[zenith tundra]

u get the best bonuses at the beginning

[coral wren]

Yeah

Right now I am like 100 points behind top 1

Even if I do all my runs

[finite valve]

tbh you need to put in the work if you really want to get aotn

[zenith tundra]

if u do all 5 at once don't spam them at the beginning of a reset

[finite valve]

but you can still get aotn since wash is ez

[coral wren]

I don't spam at beginnig

I can get it if I don't lose any

But I've lost 2 now

[finite valve]

you don't spam during season what so ever
period

[zenith tundra]

use a better comp then

[finite valve]

doing that would only hurt you

[coral wren]

What's better

[zenith tundra]

nagato amagi hiryuu is best comp right now

[coral wren]

That's what I use

[zenith tundra]

what vg u use?

[coral wren]

Bel, ykkz, jesus

[zenith tundra]

how do u lose?

[coral wren]

I still do maybe my gear

[vague token]

probably getting less big sevens

xD

[coral wren]

My gear isn't all +10

[zenith tundra]

max equip in pvp is essential even beyond comps

[shy hazel]

were you using the current meta

[shell heron]

Having +10 gear makes a huge difference when up against other geared fleets

[shy hazel]

you wont lose to any other fleet other than mirror

in my opinion

nagahyuu and full defense vg

ofc with full gears

[coral wren]

I only. Don't have +10 on like fighter

[shy hazel]

at least ive never lost

lol

[coral wren]

Let's see

[shy hazel]

admittedly, there are very close encounters

albeit

in mirrors

[shell heron]

Namaryuu comps aren't unbeatable yet without Hiryuu kai

[zenith tundra]

with hiryuu kai should also come the counter play ws kai

[coral wren]

I can't really play at work so I can't sandbag throughout the day

I do runs at lunch break

[shy hazel]

it will reduce the fleets

youll have to lookout for though

[shell heron]

At least sandbag your first match of each reset when you can

[shy hazel]

generally

[coral wren]

I do that

I can't throughout all 10 runs

[shy hazel]

the mirror im only looking out for is one that has the same statline or higher fleet power than me in the same exact mirror

other than that i dont even watch

[coral wren]

My fleet power is low idk why

[shy hazel]

amakagas are so easy hiryuu is too op

[shell heron]

is your VG 12.5k power? That's pretty normal

[zenith tundra]

i have problem when i forget to switch my juneau tank after a mirror match but that's because i'm lazy

[coral wren]

Low

Idk why

[zenith tundra]

equip + add quite a bit of fleet power

[coral wren]

Should I post equips

[shy hazel]

about the same as zack

[zenith tundra]

yes

[shell heron]

that would help

[wicked rivet]

why is your nanoda in tank position?

[zenith tundra]

my boosted fleet power for that is 13k but i use chips instead of boiler and twin 100 isntead of 76 on yukikaze

[coral wren]

She dies latest

Even on tank

[shell heron]

Still better to have her as center position imo. Some bad rng with torps can take her down

[coral wren]

Who tank Bel?

[zenith tundra]

junny imo every time but mirror

[coral wren]

Dies too early

Waste heal

[vague token]

juneau tank is ok with sheffield

[zenith tundra]

i lose if i put juneau in any other position then tank because of late heal lol

[shell heron]

juneau shouldn't die that fast unless it's foxes. even then you still have a high chance of winning

[vague token]

well she can die fast to big seven but that's everyone

xD

[zenith tundra]

mirror is only comp that is a good strat to do so since u have hiryuu tanking amagi dmg so nothing dies

[vague token]

universal

[shell heron]

oddly enough that's also the counter to namaryuu, have hiryuu take all your amagi barrage early to proc skill

[vague token]

not really a counter, more like the only way to not 50/50 trade

lol

[coral wren]

Ok tell me what to change

[shell heron]

but do post your gear loadout for your VG. don't know why your numbers are like that if it's only your planes are not +10

[vague token]

oh wait this guy is using aurora jintsuu

reee

[shell heron]

camo on juneau ey, I run tool/buldge on her

[zenith tundra]

farm some sg and get beaver too to put on amagi/nagato instead of fcr. use bulge instead of evasion gear on juneau. use fe instead of pyoko on yukikaze. swap toolbox for bulge on belfast

[shell heron]

I'm guessing you missed the Fallen Wings event?

[coral wren]

Yeah

I started in January

[zenith tundra]

u have no mag torp too?

[coral wren]

I have 1

[zenith tundra]

mag torp should be way better then normal ones in pvp

[coral wren]

Why is my score so low

[zenith tundra]

if u don't need it for something else i would put it on yukikaze

[coral wren]

it's like over 500 under

For both backline and frontline

[zenith tundra]

the difference is the sg radar

it's also way better then just fcr

[coral wren]

You also maxed the fighter

[shell heron]

Oathed Belfast is also 270 higher than yours

[vague token]

god torp namagi hiryuu is so unfun X_x

[shell heron]

prob closer to 250 since you're using purple AA gun

[coral wren]

fire extinguiser is better?

is that chip thing good?

[shell heron]

for YKK I think so

[vague token]

fire cant be negated by lucky ship

[zenith tundra]

it's a boiler painted gold the chip

[shell heron]

fire damage is really bad for her

[vague token]

and nagato fires are extremely easy to proc

since even 1 laser from big seven

can set you on fire

[burnt ice]

watcha mean nagato fires

[vague token]

and make her sad

[coral wren]

boiler is good?

I scrapped

[burnt ice]

isnt it same for all

[vague token]

amagi probably wont set you on fire cause her barrage is side

nagato big seven says

hello entire screen

here's a 30% fire chance

[zenith tundra]

nagato procs it so much easier then anything else because of her barrage

[burnt ice]

isnt it normal

its he?

[zenith tundra]

nope he

[coral wren]

Should I get some boilers?

[vague token]

it uses normal damage type

but it's he

[burnt ice]

what

lol

[vague token]

like the armor ratios are as if they're normal i think

remember, barrages dont always follow rules

[burnt ice]

so is it he or normal

[vague token]

xD

[zenith tundra]

imo u should it allows ur vg to dodge some bb shoots @coral wren

[burnt ice]

he tht uses normal modifiers?

[vague token]

and the center wedge

has a different modifier

than the laser

if i recall

[burnt ice]

laser, u mean big 7

[vague token]

yeah, sakura has a center part though

not just the laser bolts like normal big 7

[burnt ice]

since its big7+infinite darkness

so big 7 is he, hwo bout infinite

[zenith tundra]

BIG SEVEN - SAKURA (Straight Shots) Nagato, Mutsu HE 6600 5500 4400 30% burn chance.
BIG SEVEN - SAKURA (Arrows) Nagato, Mutsu HE 1800 2400 1400 30% burn chance.

[vague token]

that doesnt tell us the armor ratios, im pretty sure they arent standard

[coral wren]

So I changed everything

score is about the same

VG actually went down

[zenith tundra]

fleet power as a metric is usless

[coral wren]

ykkz use twin 100 or pea shooting

[zenith tundra]

whatever u want. i prefer twin 100 for aa

[shell heron]

as long as you're properly geared, it will be fine

[shy hazel]

wtf that belfast aa is cancer to my eyes

my ocd is triggered

[steep fog]

huh

[coral wren]

I don't ahve another gold AA

I only have 5

[shy hazel]

farm bofors or farm 7-2

[coral wren]

is boiler actually better than tool box?

[zenith tundra]

it is vs bb shoots

[shell heron]

against a BB heavy fleet yes

[shy hazel]

vs metas with more than 2 bbs

yes

[steep fog]

boiler gives speed wich is kinda useful

[coral wren]

I have no plate to up them

[shy hazel]

in my opinion

dont need to +6 boiler now

[zenith tundra]

well pvp is a lot of grind

[shy hazel]

just rush the pr rudder

[shell heron]

toolboxes work fine for now

[zenith tundra]

i didn't max pvp equip till like 4 months after i started playing al

[coral wren]

I am 5 months in

[shy hazel]

wish we can have golden toolbox soon

heh

[zenith tundra]

i keep on saying it but rainbow boiler is bis equip u can wish for

[shell heron]

even then, t3 plates wasn't a luxury I had until much later

especially general plates

[shy hazel]

i farmed like more than 1k plates from kizuna event

wish bisko event is like that

[zenith tundra]

no pls

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

4 elites on a level? yes plz

[zenith tundra]

that sp4 grind for a 50k shop is retarded

[vague token]

oh not that part

just gimme the 4 elites

xD

[shy hazel]

4 elites that isnt siren

there

fixed that for you

[shell heron]

It wasn't bad except for the 120 points a run part

[zenith tundra]

eh i hope i can get enough bps for ibuki so i can use her for double torp preload

[vague token]

what's worse, 4 shoukakus or 4 cruiser sirens

xD

[zenith tundra]

shoukaku by far imo

[shell heron]

but back to Lion, I see you still got 3% of bonus stats left on juneau for 100 affection. And you're comparing it to our oathed ships

[zenith tundra]

cruiser can be still easily soloed by belfast/zombie vg

[coral wren]

Oh true

But Junea does nothing anyways

[shell heron]

that extra hp does help her survive a little longer to make that heal worth more

and not die early

[vague token]

well, it doesnt help her survive really

[zenith tundra]

the only thing that made shoukaku nodes easy in sp black was amagi with ijn buff. that actually melted any elites by second barrage

[vague token]

but it does help everyone else

[coral wren]

oath gives more scores too?

[zenith tundra]

score is based on stats

oath->higher stats->higher score

[shell heron]

100 affection is 6% bonus, oath is 9%, and oath with 200 affection is 12%

[coral wren]

Alright

I guess I just gotta pay more attention then

Cuz my shit is a bit scuffed

[zenith tundra]

also fleet tech affects fleet power

[vague token]

and doesnt buff your team

but it does buff enemy team

;)

[shell heron]

We were told it doesn't affect PvP

but we found out it buffs your enemies

[zenith tundra]

doesn't matter if it affects pvp or not because the fleet power u see is one and the same

[vague token]

[shell heron]

At least it doesn't inflate your fleet power too much that it looks stronger than it really is

I think

[vague token]

oh na, it wont do that until like maxed probably

[zenith tundra]

i get like 51 pts on backlines

[vague token]

then it will "look" like a bit

[zenith tundra]

13416 should be my fleet power without fleet tech and 13467 with it

[cursive canopy]

How’s random word generator on nagato for pvp along with sg radar?

[zenith tundra]

a 2nd sg is better tbh but it's a good substitute if u don't have more. also beaver is a good choice for her with sg

[cursive canopy]

I feel like beaver would be better for jintsuu

I don’t have much gold sg but I have like 7 gold heal kit

[shell heron]

You mean cranes. Only repair ships can use those

[cursive canopy]

I know. I’m just saying how bad my luck is

[zenith tundra]

and they are useless outside of ar ships either way

well u can grind them in 6-1 if u want

[cursive canopy]

Grinding for gold bp is a no no for me thank you

[shell heron]

But I second badge on nagato. My jintsuu is using toolbox/buldge instead

[cursive canopy]

Yeah that’s what I currently have. Guess I won’t change it then

[zenith tundra]

u just farm pr xp and go to 6-1 for sg bps as well

[cursive canopy]

I doing 9-4 for the sr ship right now

Running 1:3 for pr

With events now over, I have tons of oil to waste

[shell heron]

9-4 for niizuki. She's boss drop only but not a SR. Or good outside of being waifu

[hot creek]

got a 30 min SR research but its Izumo BPs 🚮

[vague token]

oof

[cursive canopy]

Oh 8-4 I mean

[zenith tundra]

maya is not any better but is ur choice if u care more for that ship or equip bps

[shell heron]

I'd honestly go for at the 1 SG you need rn, but up to you

[cursive canopy]

Maya is just for collection. What is bps? Also I have like 4 gold sg so I don’t need them that badly

[zenith tundra]

blueprints

[cursive canopy]

The sg bps is boss drop only right?

[zenith tundra]

gold bps are from boss and elite only

[cursive canopy]

Elite?

[zenith tundra]

the enemies that appear on map like a character instead of the general ship

[cursive canopy]

Those are events only right?

[zenith tundra]

yes

[ionic magnet]

600 rank diff no bonus

[vague token]

yeah i had that earlier

[hot creek]

should I farm monarch affinity while she's cheap

[zenith tundra]

i'm farming roon affinity while leveling up but there is no cheap in it

[vague token]

getting some 3-4 runs in with repulse saint louis, pretty cheap

[zenith tundra]

a 0lb bb and roon is 19 oil id say far from cheap

[vague token]

eh, that doesnt sound that bad unless you're farming like all day

[zenith tundra]

0lb bb that can't handle anything past w5...

[vagrant veldt]

erebus 2nd break is able to solo ch8

[zenith tundra]

so what can i do with a 0lb erebus?

while having her not take mvp

[charred sable]

Nerf

[vague token]

magic pixel

heh

na they just gotta boost max hp so front loaded damage isnt as big of a deal ;)

and juneau reworked to heal flat so it helps vanguards more ;)

instead of main

[charred sable]

Ok, this no-sandbagging approach sucks

I've not missed a single attack so far, but at the same time I'm at the mercy of the refresh RNG god

And it's way too early in the season to accept 9-point attacks, especially after having lost one attack earlier

[cerulean estuary]

maintenance 2morrow is a bit challenge for sandbaggers its 10hrs

what if it extends for another 1 hr or 2 hrs

hmm

[vague token]

oof

[bright oyster]

I lost, but it was fun to watch nonetheless

[ionic magnet]

tirpitz what a madman

[hybrid tendon]

when will the germans become meta

[ionic magnet]

its bismarck or never

[cerulean estuary]

when the m262 jet fighter came out

[vague token]

tirpitz wont even work with bismarck xD

[hybrid tendon]

so we need a maxed FDG then

which is like 2 more years

so probably never

[cerulean estuary]

FDG , bismarck and graf zep will be the KMS backline

[ionic magnet]

im looking forward to kgv more than bisko tbh

[cerulean estuary]

excaliburrrrr

[hybrid tendon]

that 15% fleet wide dmg rec is one of the most OP skill in the game

too bad graf have no good plan es

[vague token]

is zepp's skill active even when she sinks?

[blazing scroll]

It doesn't specify she needs to be alive so I guess yes

tfw portland's defense order activates twice but Nagato doesn't activate even once

[vague token]

oof

[ionic magnet]

one of the metas

top one is still nagato amagi hiryuu tho

based on winrates

[vague token]

good for going fast though

xD

[charred sable]

the interesting thing is, if KGV has the QE buff and at something like an Amagi barrage, it will be guaranteed a KGV, Warspite and FdG meta, with Bismarck and Nagato completely out of the picture

even if Bismarck gives an Ironblood buff, as long as KGV gives an HMS reload buff and has a special barrage, the boost to Warspite Retrofit is too strong to pass

FdG being there just cause she's broken OP of course

frontline being Yukkikaze, Juneau and Neptune (HMS)

If Bismarck has a QE buff for Ironblood though, it'll depend on whether or not her special barrage + boost to FdG outweigh's Warspite's single-target snipe. Which I doubt given how strong a buffed Warspite snipe can be

[modern tree]

KGV will buff carriers because that's the best meme

[shy hazel]

who said kgv will buff anyone

shell be like prinz

buff herself

[modern tree]

with how power creep has been working out lately, she will likely end up with about 3 skills and thats just enough for you to run out of creative things to do and just settle on "buffs someone with something"

cuz all they really have to do to make her consistent with her class is give her barrage that slows

[shy hazel]

tbh i dont even see her becoming relevant

main feature of this event is bisko

shes basically extra

[modern tree]

okay but that doesnt mean anything

[shy hazel]

the only real powerful extras from other events

are from reruns

[modern tree]

its like saying ykkz should have been shit cuz they ran it with cranes or something

[shy hazel]

stayed true until now

[modern tree]

PoW is garbage and Atago was a better ship out of the event

[shy hazel]

they can always meme it

i just wont assume until i see it

hey i dunno wht u think both pow and atago is

[modern tree]

Vicky was also garbage compared to DoY

so you are just generalising

[shy hazel]

ofc i am

[cerulean estuary]

[modern tree]

at any rate, I can feel a carrier buff because god knows, HMS carriers do need help and the faction already has acess to a general buff. It will end up about as useful to HMS as Sirius was

[shy hazel]

hey sirius was useless to hms was she

[coral wren]

what will be kms vanguard

[shy hazel]

there isnt really any good kms vg except roon

[modern tree]

Yea, because carriers in general are whatever and HMS in particular are all bad or overly specialised

[shy hazel]

even roon is bad

[modern tree]

wot

[blazing scroll]

[coral wren]

I mean, even z1 evasion skill is not that strong when you meet all that sendai like bullshit

[modern tree]

Roon is the best CA in the game atm, at least in terms of pve, in pvp she will do just fine

If you insist on running KMS you'd probably run Juneau Roon Eugen with Zepp and laugh as your backline dies before your frontline

[coral wren]

🤔 can you stall enough for her to stack 12 times?

[modern tree]

I dont know, and you should not care if your goal is explicitly to run a KMS frontline

[coral wren]

That actually would be hilarious to see roon 1vs9 with 12 stacks

[modern tree]

one thing for sure is, that if she breaks through the VG, she will probably never die to aux fire because shields and armour

so if you can make her live long enough to do that, she's probably fine

[modern tree]

I think that having CA with roughly 230 reload that she will have at 12 stacks is pretty good

[ionic magnet]

also shields and armor are not enough when you're eating every enemy shot anyways since CA speed is

her reload buff at max stacks makes her fire about 12% faster btw

its a nice buff but barely noticeable

[buoyant parrot]

what's new?

[ionic magnet]

nothing i guess

but tmr is new UI update

[buoyant parrot]

alrighty then~ back to space shipfus~

[lunar halo]

Wtf are these names lmao

[modern tree]

their numbers in collection

[analog hare]

[lunar halo]

o

[elder crane]

I saw someone give a nuke code
Hopefully they gave the wrong one, cause it was

[red nexus]

And ayanamis number in collection is 3155 lmao

[buoyant parrot]

OH MY FREAKING GOD!!!

FINALLY COLUMBIA!!!!

X_________________x

Hooooooooooray I can focus all my resources now to PR!!!

[raw osprey]

[modern tree]

every retrofit gets +3k to their collection number

[vague token]

i mean she was important for the bismarck hunt

it'd be like not getting victorious during tirpitz

[vague token]

ok managed to recover resources for biscuit

im ready

[midnight heron]

just fought a nakaga comp with jintsuu/aurora/yuki vanguard that lives through nakaga+sirius airstrike without boilers. idk wtf is going on here.

reset 3x same result

[vague token]

i mean, it's only 10 hit rate

if it was aurora it'd be more dangerous

[midnight heron]

even if its minor hit rate bonuses i dont see how the results can be repeated 3x

usually enemies with nobelfast get insta obliterated

unless they have like 3 washing machines already then i rest my case

[elder crane]

Bad RNG is always possible
3 imo really isn't enough to fully rule out that

[midnight heron]

might be the case but i cant be bothered with it once i get a win

[vague token]

[ionic magnet]

should be normal when enemy is not using oxy memes

even if you use sirius aurora sendai its still not guaranteed

[vagrant veldt]

23 for B

what's with EN maint times

maybe they report longer times in case there are delays..

[vague token]

too many apologems xD

[elder crane]

So far no initial maint has run overtime iirc in EN, with most ending early
Though once or twice they had to go back into maint for major screw-ups

[vagrant veldt]

they usually also give less maint compensations

maybe that's the price of having good operations

[lean phoenix]

planning on doing ykk+aurora+sirius

sirius just needs lvls

also iirc the attacker gets a 20% damage boost over the defender

ahh so its the reverse

take 0.8x damage as attacker after all modifiers

still that can skew testing results against rival teams

[elder crane]

Yep, you basically can't fully know how well a def team does unless someone who faced it/tested vs it reports results to you

Or you know someone else's loadout is identical to yours

[lean phoenix]

yeah, some people have meta ships but not meta gear

[hot creek]

oh no, maintenance + event is tonight? I wont have enough gold to mass construct. rip

[vague token]

i thought biscuit was 23

just ui tonight

[hot creek]

OhISee

[vague token]

10 hour maintenance

oh boi

[hot creek]

rush all pvp charges?

[vague token]

xD

ill have to do 10

cause i wont be able to get them before work

buy more food?

i should buy a bit of food so i can put biscuit in dorm probs

ok

o.O

[hot creek]

nah 7-2. 7-2 forever

[vague token]

xD

maybe when saint louis is 80+ ill move to 7-2

xD

to be fair i might as well try for akagi

since i dont have her

do we know if we are getting a bag for biscuit, i could use gems for rings

xD

o.o

[modern tree]

I am currently testing Namagi Hood vs Luna's Namagi Hiryuu. Namagi Hiryuu backline is dead at 4 minutes, his VG is still up. I kind of love it

also, g play needs better payment methods so I can stop going out of my way to give them money

no clue why you cant just buy the gift cards online, same with paysafe card, it's all so stupid

also, how stupid is waiting for new UI to oath Monarch?

[finite valve]

well you can just re watch the oath screen

so i dk why you want to wait?

also i already 200 my roon

lel

well you can just do low lvl world like 3-4 if you want

more foxes dups are just good

since if they have kai that just mean free purrin

[worthy osprey]

reee

[vague token]

i mean, just wait until after reset xD

[modest elbow]

[vague token]

nothing like ykk having to finish off hiryuu lol

cause everyone around her has sunk

[elder crane]

Yeah, I just had a weird mirror match where Nagato/Amagi died early but so did their VG
Won in the end cause they couldn't kill my VG
It was... a bit uncomfortable, wasn't exactly a scenario I'm used to seeing...

[vague token]

at least ws kai meta will have less rng

xD

no need to worry about if they get 2 more big sevens than you

also i got kaga earlier, i already have kaga

[charred sable]

Praise commission RNG god, setting me up for Bismarck

[shell heron]

And none of them gives cubes

[buoyant parrot]

its funny I didn't prepare my coins for Bismarck

this is the only gacha event in my history in AL that I'm not prepared and cared to prepare

[vague token]

sounds like you need to

[buoyant parrot]

well I have 14k Gems standing by

[vague token]

o.O

[hybrid tendon]

how to counter WSkai other than having your own

hiryuu?

[elder crane]

Yep

Namayuu with Hiryuu tanking works fine, or so I hear

And if you play the WsKai team, need to make sure you don't focus Hiryuu first (depends on exact setup, maybe)
And need to place Juneau not in lead spot (lead spot optimal in most mirrors, I suppose?)

Namayuu probably also wants Jun leading then vs most WSkai teams

[vague token]

it also depends on ws kai positioning and her team

i think

[elder crane]

Yep, but the CN popular one of QE with Monarch/Wskai double focus, is supposedly best faced with that strat there
and ofc yada yada CN server diffs etc

[coral wren]

damn, and i spent all my oil grinding for neptune and monarch..

[vague token]

kek

[elder crane]

Well, the WSkai HMS team supposedly is the most consistent offense team
More consistent vs Namayuu than the mirror

[shy hazel]

whats wrong with that

in the end youll make all six prs anyways

[elder crane]

Double-tap amagi, then take out Nagato, and finish off Hiryuu last supposedly should give 95+% winrate easily

But all of this discussion is potentially moot, after Bismarck event releases

[vague token]

oh boi

soon (tm)

[elder crane]

And there's the chance we'll enter into the EN meta with the most difference from JP/CN

[vague token]

no shells yet too xD

[elder crane]

KGV but no Wskai/shells/120
Bismarck but no FdG/etc.

and ofc missing a number of CV aux as well, and 818 squad

[vague token]

jet fuel cant melt steel ships

jk

[finite valve]

anybody in here going to just 0/10 exercise due to expectation of maint being extend or another new kind of fuck up after maint?

[vague token]

well, i dont expect that

i just wont have a chance

if it goes full 10 hours

before work

[finite valve]

even if it is not full 10h they going to go into emergency maint after every server come across a bug

that much is a given

[ionic magnet]

full 10hrs means it ends 1am in my side

no way im still awake that time

and i doubt it'll end earlier than 9hrs

[finite valve]

like i said i fully expect emergency maint if they indeed end before 10h

not to mention this update is sync across all server

so if 1 server got the boot everyone going to get it

[shy hazel]

i dont know about u ppl

[shell heron]

Now I'm paranoid. A 2hr extension will screw everyone

[shy hazel]

but ill wait for it to end

deny ppl of getting points on sandbagging me

[finite valve]

not like they need to get extra point on you when they going to get +50 from DST 4.0 now?

[shy hazel]

let them bug abuse wtv

not like theyll end up in top 10 endseason

[finite valve]

yeh i am just going to fuck it lel

my goal was to just get aotn anyway

still doable with -50

so whatever zzz

[shell heron]

Unless it's one of us

Then we'll be ahead by a long shot

[shy hazel]

[finite valve]

6 more months till 4.0 DST

long way away

[shell heron]

-50 in is a little much for aotn in Avrora.

Had to rush hard with -30

[finite valve]

lol i -80 and still can get aotn a while back

[ionic magnet]

-90 is still fine

[finite valve]

i think someone here -90

[ionic magnet]

heck i bet even - 100 can get it

i was ahead by 10+pts when i rushed before

just do it on a dead day and you'll be fine

[elder crane]

Well, it does depend on when in season
Like last last season I dropped 5 right off the bat, yet still easily made it to temp rank 1 in Avrora, with getting a lot of bonus points for being behind the curve
Pretty sure you can skip the first day and a half and still make AotN

[buoyant parrot]

I'd bug abuse the shit out of exercise if there is going to be an issue. I don't wanna be left behind don't we~

[elder crane]

Just don't super abuse it, and it's been shown they can't do anything about it

[shell heron]

I only really had one season where I forgot to do 3 matches.
Also the same season where gensai rush was all three days.
I touched aotn with rank 9 rushing got kicked out 10s later

That was a weird season

[buoyant parrot]

last season was on top 7 10mins before season end then last 5 mins got thrown out of top 10 😂

[shell heron]

I stayed up til last season's end. Went from 3 to 7 to 13

[buoyant parrot]

weird season it was

[shell heron]

Just some even bigger sandbaggers than me.

[buoyant parrot]

they prolly got lucky at the beginning of that season

manage to snag some +4 to +5ish

[finite valve]

so who was it that make this man day a living hell?

[coral wren]

When you sandbag can you get more than 11 points

I haven't seen 12 yet

[elder crane]

We benefit from making you drop matches/quit

12 is possible early on before you're too far ahead, and during the rush if you don't rush yourself

[lament lichen]

I wonder who he try to beat

[hot creek]

cancer defense team prevents someone from getting points off you last minute as you do your own pvps last minute

[elder crane]

That too

[buoyant parrot]

and yes we benefit from this plebs to never be on that Top 10

[lament lichen]

They need that dst to boost them

[hot creek]

Hell, I had to refresh and eat a +9 today cause someone walled me

better than a -10 though

only had 20 seconds to spare lol

[elder crane]

Gotta stop cutting it so close man

[finite valve]

at this point i stop doing 5 min rush

either 10 or 15 min rush

[elder crane]

I give 4 mins+2 mins per match usually
Allows two resets

[lament lichen]

I just do 7 mins rushes

[hot creek]

i typically allot 2 mins per charge

[lament lichen]

Geneeally you already used like 2 runs already

[elder crane]

I usually burn down to 8/10 though
1 at 1 H before, 1 at 30 mins before, unless I caught someone climbing

[finite valve]

well if you like super aids about top 10 end of season

[elder crane]

2 per charge is literally no resetting though

[finite valve]

my goal was just get aotn then nope out

so a few bonus point is not really that much diff

[elder crane]

heh, gotta get more sets of extra 10 merit

cash them in for that, is what I do

[hot creek]

well its used to be 2 min per charge was more than enough but yeah with every1 running cancer comp ill probably give more time for matches

honestly I don't even find the backline a problem

its fucking yukikaze

[elder crane]

1:30 I find is the average time per match, loading included, for Namayuu
But 3 min matches aren't impossible

[vague token]

i dont have problems with ykk usually

cause 1 sara torp usually clips her from belfast being slow and most people dont boiler

and then she's on a timer

xD

[elder crane]

Yeah, ykkz can be really troll
Like that time she 1v4d my team and won

[vague token]

oof

[elder crane]

Basically I was down to ykkz too and movement/barrage rng meant I dealt no damage to her for a good minute and a half

which she used to torp out my main fleet

[vague token]

i usually lose to big seven difference xD

[vagrant veldt]

Aurora before anyone has a highly developed Saint Louis can delay attacking comps

[elder crane]

and then my ykkz decided it was a good time to eat a full torp salvo and sink

[vague token]

oof

=(

[shell heron]

Happens to me more than I like

[elder crane]

Thankfully Hiryuu is a thing so I still had time to reset

[shell heron]

Having both ykk and junny go down to torp meme vg in the first 5s

[elder crane]

Aurora comps I never have much trouble with
She makes the VG too squishy I find, sure mine mostly dies too, but trading VG vs a stall VG is meh

And ofc once Louis comes online those comps are mostly dead vs that

[vague token]

i hate torp memes cause it makes me sweat since im running sara

and sara likes stall

loooong fights are better cause that means more dot

/until you get big sevened 2 times in a row xD

[coral wren]

what is potential date for us to get ws kai and grosse?

[vague token]

[elder crane]

Both should be at least .5 yr away

FdG probably farther than WSkai

[hazy rain]

that awkward moment when Yukikaze outdamages two backliners

my backline got nuked but frontline finished it off

Juneau almost outdamaged Nagato

[coral wren]

that's weird

0 barrages nagato?

[hazy rain]

I don't remember, I just was spooked when I saw my backline died

[empty sinew]

wew, i minimized my emulator thinking it'll be fine since it's a namaryuu mirror
turns out rng ain't on my side

rip 99% winrate

[hot creek]

rookie mistake

[empty sinew]

placed too much faith in my backline disregarding the fact that a lvl 85 dev 15 sanrui is in my vanguard

[vague token]

lol

oh, thank god i have all my refreshes

[midnight heron]

jesus im still at 50+% on my first monarch lul

[vague token]

o.O

well he's level 106

he plays a lot lol

[hot creek]

should I flex my PRs

[empty sinew]

i know u have an oathed headnod

pr grind boosting commander lvls really quickly

by the time we get all six, we'll be like +4/5 lvls higher

[hot creek]

ive been using 7-2 so rip HQ xp

[vague token]

oof

[cerulean estuary]

research always drains my gold

[hot creek]

welp. drained my charges to 1/10

[coral wren]

what are u drawing? lottery?

[hot creek]

drawing blood of course

[coral wren]

drawing blood to fund bismarck rolling

[coral wren]

weird, didn't they promise new ui will make cv and bs skill activation without delay?

[shy hazel]

i dont get what you mean

cv and bs skill without delay

[coral wren]

Mm, there is like a 1-2 secs when upon activation a splash art of a ship appears

and i think they kinda promised to remove that

[shy hazel]

never remembered them saying it

more like

streamlining skill procs

you should just see

the mini border of the skills

but not the character anymore

maybe its in the new ui settings later

[coral wren]

Aaahh

[shy hazel]

that you can activate or deactivate

[coral wren]

i see then, thank you!

[shy hazel]

dont thank me actually im also not sure

well have to see later

lol

[coral wren]

[shy hazel]

i dont have high expectations on the new ui

[elder crane]

I thought you were sorta joking on the windows part
Then I get a popup on opening app, that "server under maint"
And damn does it actually look like a windows popup

[empty sinew]

we're stuck with it now

[zenith tundra]

well at least till ui 3.0

[vagrant veldt]

there's a bug in the new ui that if you lose in PVP, your last ship's hp just locks, za waarudo activates and you can pause and reset with no attack charges taken.

[modern tree]

Sounds like a feature

[empty sinew]

so basically, you can't lose cuz game freezes til u restart it huh

that's hella convenient

[shy hazel]

it also means

if your team sucks

youll never be able to go through

stuck in limbo

[wicked rivet]

just dont lose

[elder crane]

Holy sh-
The new equipment from u556 event gives 80 frickin evasion!

[wicked rivet]

80 evasion

is that all it gives?

[elder crane]

Also some special PvE effects when on U556 or Bismarck

But 80 fricken evasion

Subs and BB/BC only

[wicked rivet]

holy shit

[elder crane]

That puts BB/BC at CA levels of evasion, almost CL even

[wicked rivet]

80 evasion?? thats at LEAST CL levels

that'll bring most to around 120ish with a gold SG

[elder crane]

CN wiki, so take with a grain of salt for now

Hopefully a typo or a troll

[vagrant veldt]

the datamine I was was 20 eva

[elder crane]

Ok, that's more reasonable

So typo likely, phew

Wiki says no other boost

Skill effect is PvE only

As in, the effects are useless for PvP

Can't be mounted on CA

[vagrant veldt]

+20 eva +150 hp ,effects: U556 +4s resurface duration & hunting range +1. Bismarck equipping: decrease the effects of no ammo

[elder crane]

BB/BC and subs only

[vagrant veldt]

will have to wait for 23rd

the only other stuff was hints of a siren event in the making

[elder crane]

Depends on effect amount
I'm thinking hunting range boost instead, since EN doesn't have cats or battery yet

Or U47, capping our hunting range right now to I think 3/5?

Or was it 2/5, clearly I don't use subs

[vagrant veldt]

her 3 to 4 is that big of an increase

[elder crane]

Range+1, from what I read, is only on U556

And we don't have U47 yet

So we're capped to 2 range on everyone else, 3 for U556 with this equip once we get her
With battery hopefully next core data refresh, +1 to that

[fringe plover]

How do people get 14 additional points for first 5 battles of season?

[elder crane]

Get someone who climbs hard in queue
Early on, the pt diff per +1 is much less than at admiral ranks

Something like only 20 or so needed per +1 at the very beginning, maybe even less, never really paid that much attention to it tbh

[ionic magnet]

wdym by 14 additional pts anyway?

why 14 specifically

[elder crane]

+42 for the first match seems like the most anyone not super lucky can achieve, I suppose

[fringe plover]

I just noticed that at the start of the season I got 28*4+22=134, and difference between me and 1st place was about 14 pts

[ionic magnet]

ah so you're just wondering how to get more pts in general

[elder crane]

Ok, you get bonus points for fighting people who have sufficiently more pts than you

[ionic magnet]

cos those peeps you see at top ranks on first day are not the real top rankers

[elder crane]

Check pins tbh

[ionic magnet]

anyways short answer is sandbagging

you wait til one of your opponents use up theier charges and then you attack

[elder crane]

And for the first 5, people get up to 160s quite often

[fringe plover]

[ionic magnet]

that way you can make sure you get the most bonus pts possible

[fringe plover]

kk thx

[ionic magnet]

cos scores are dependent on rank score difference between you and the one you attacked

[elder crane]

And another sandbagger joins the ranks!

[ionic magnet]

[hybrid tendon]

Inb4 2 hour extension ruined pvp

[shy hazel]

its not ruined if that happened

because everyone gets delayed

just lower scores

[shell heron]

160s for the first 5

I considered getting more than 145 lucky

[elder crane]

Not those who did all 10 to 0/10

[shy hazel]

if only your vg survived

u must have had a hard time

[fringe plover]

Does low lvl/meme fleet help with getting higher ranked opponents or is it better to keep some strong defence fleet?

[shy hazel]

[hybrid tendon]

Nah it was ez

From the start

[elder crane]

Def fleet barely matters

Don't worry about it for ranking purpose really

[shell heron]

Though a strong def fleet does have a chance to stall other sandbaggers

[elder crane]

Overall a strong def fleet does give some very slight advantage, but the thing is, strong def pushes others down and not you up, and because there's so many people, the effect is minimal

The top people won't really be affected much by what you put up anyways

[hybrid tendon]

In the rush hiryuu is a 15s plus

So

[elder crane]

People like me camp the top spots anyways, and aren't really affected by that

[shy hazel]

fight my def fleet

[hybrid tendon]

[elder crane]

And hard rushers just take the easy fleets to fight

[hybrid tendon]

Already

[shy hazel]

you'll see magic

im using suprameme def fleet now

[elder crane]

Oh noes it's akagichan isn't it

[shy hazel]

yes

defend akagichan to the death

ultrastall

[hybrid tendon]

Here's mine def fleet

All American

[shy hazel]

foolish

[hybrid tendon]

👌

[shy hazel]

use sd with akagi chan

see her stop time

[elder crane]

Amakaga might still be able to kill akagichan in time

[shy hazel]

it takes quite awhile

to kill her

if u using the usual top tier def front

with sd at back

add noca for wash for profit

noca or wash

[hybrid tendon]

Akagichan is super happy

[elder crane]

Yeah, and ofc an easykill vg

[hybrid tendon]

Unlike akagi

[shy hazel]

[elder crane]

So it's clear when akagichan strikes

Maybe if we abuse it enough it'll finally be patched

Not really feeling it though, would rather not invest in akagichan

[fringe plover]

Whats wrong with akagi-chan? Still havent seen her even once in pvp

[elder crane]

Her skill freezes game if no friendly Vanguard alive when she launches

[fringe plover]

[elder crane]

yeah

Spaghetti code

[wicked rivet]

no it doesnt

not anymore

that was fixed a while ago afaik

[elder crane]

Oh, did they finally patch?

[wicked rivet]

yeah like 2 days after it was found

[elder crane]

I know the first patch after, they didn't fix

[wicked rivet]

as of at least a week ago it was fixed

[fringe plover]

Did anyone test akagi-chan/zeppy/anniversary kizuna barrages? Is any of them useful?

[elder crane]

Ok, so probs the 2nd or 3rd patches then
The first micropatch a few days after, didn't fix

For PvP, no

Zeppy is useful in PvE, but both long charge time and a wide spread means useless PvP

The other two, are super weak

[steep fog]

just let me in already

let me in

[hidden wyvern]

https://imgur.com/LDzM7EC

[shy hazel]

im at max oil cap

oil store at cap too

gotta use all extra fast

else waste

[steep fog]

grinding roon is like ultra ♿ mode

its so slow

[elder crane]

What, didn't drain it down a bit with PR grind?

[fringe plover]

I had 2k oil before maintenance Maya got it all

[steep fog]

im done with sanrui and monarch

[shy hazel]

its plus minus zero for me

[elder crane]

Or invest in food

[shy hazel]

im using 2 mlb 2 lb0

[steep fog]

now its roon

[shy hazel]

in farming

roon was easier than monarch

lol

[steep fog]

doingmonarch in w11 was super fast

[shy hazel]

now im doing neptune and hell i can tell you

hms cls suck

at least the rare ones

[steep fog]

try w11?

[shy hazel]

im alrdy done monarch anyways

lol

[elder crane]

Hardish to get vanguard MVP in 11

[shy hazel]

bismarck event ill do saint louis or izumo

[elder crane]

Without having to run a super bloated fleet

[shy hazel]

depending on who can farm event map

efficiently

[elder crane]

I look forwards to event siren farming