pvp

[buoyant parrot]

NightRaven Guild Rec 1 Lv80+ Player

[finite valve]

been using sirius and it been fine for the most part

[vague token]

sheffield is great

she will cleanse the filth

with a gun

[wicked rivet]

pew pew

[crystal hare]

what should i improve on my frontline?
im running belfast/aurora/juneau
they all have gold belguns and gold 533 torps, auxes are toolbox/torp bulge and juneau has replaced box with tears

backline is amakaga

[wicked rivet]

do u have mag torps?

gold or rainbow only

[crystal hare]

only T2

[blazing scroll]

Don't use tear on Juneau

She will most likely overheal

Better put it on Belfast

[modern tree]

I'd use pearl on Aurora cuz belfast will get more out of the heal from both pearl and toolbox

[blazing scroll]

But you don't want Aurora to die because of her debuff

[modern tree]

but she will because she is the least tanky in this lineup

you dont pick who holds pearl based on when you want them to die

because then you'd use it on nobody

[crystal hare]

should i change any ship in the lineup? they all seem pretty good right now

i've swapped pearl to belfast because it does make sense to not focus the entire heal potential on one ship

[midnight heron]

aurora for nanoda

[crystal hare]

i guess i could

[hot creek]

@balmy torrent I used 1:3 at SP4. 0LB Vestal, whatever combo of lvl 100+ britbong CL

though I don't recommend 0LB Vestal since that is a waste of perfectly good backline XP. I only used cause i was rushing and wanted to save some oil

[leaden sequoia]

I'll need to run Aurora, Sheff, Sirius then

Belfast already 110

oof DPS though

maybe I'll toss in Leander if they don't kill stuff well enough

[vague token]

oops lost a game already

reee

[shell heron]

Still early so you can recover.

meanwhile I'm getting another dead reset today

[vague token]

na i just feel sad cause i was 4 v 1 and got big sevened

[leaden sequoia]

got big sevened
at least that's an honorable way to lose

[vague token]

i legit thought i would live

[leaden sequoia]

imagine getting rammed to death by nanoda

[vague token]

oof

[shell heron]

Not impossible, nanoda has a chance to outlive your main fleet and other VG

[zenith tundra]

are u still using sara? @vague token

[craggy cove]

Id say hiryuu retro waiting room, but if they were to release it now 75% of pvp would be using her

[modern tree]

we are getting there without it

[zenith tundra]

she isn't 2nd best ship in pvp for no reason

in jp /cn

[leaden sequoia]

hiryuu kai would just accelerate her adoption

people have already noticed her potential

as for glowworm nanoda: I did lose to that little shit once

but that took big chunks of her HP

she's a DD after all

[zenith tundra]

i havent seen a glowworm in pvp

[leaden sequoia]

nah

I just worded it poorly, I guess

it's nanoda being glowworm

[zenith tundra]

ok

[vague token]

yeah im still using sara

xD

[modern tree]

it's funny how well this deals with Namagi Hiryuu

I really want this Amagi to be Monarch already

[zenith tundra]

i like comps that dont even kill my juneau. even being 12k+ power and lvl 110

[coral wren]

once monarch is there, another grindwall for neptune comes..

[lean phoenix]

Is aurora even needed in a fox team? Nagato buffs accuracy anyhow

[zenith tundra]

nagato acc buff is nowhere near as good as aurora debuff. u can play without aurora is just not optimal usually

[lean phoenix]

well i also have belfast and juneau

nanoda will be there regardless

but as for the two other slots im mixed

[zenith tundra]

i haven't played nakaga enough to know which vg is better. if it works for u keep using that

aurora should make it easier to kill opponent vg fast

[ionic magnet]

you can replace jun or ykkz with aurora

i dont really like pure stall vg with foxes cos you want to clear enemy vg asap so your 2nd airstrike hits mainfleet

[lean phoenix]

ah true, foxes arent for survival anyway

[wicked rivet]

Belfast is almost needed vs foxes but on offense aurora would probly be better if she can live

[lean phoenix]

my defense vg is nanoda, juneau and belfast to ward off rival foxes

my attack vg rn is nanoda, aya, aurora

[ionic magnet]

do you have jintsuu

you might want to replace aya so you can have a decent tank

[lean phoenix]

1 week in 10-4 lol, not yet

[ionic magnet]

rip

[shy hazel]

1 week

some took 4 months

took me 3

days

[lean phoenix]

foxes took me 3 days, poi took me 4 days

:3

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

o

i have enuf oil to finish roon without buying oil yet

means i can make 3rd pr in a week again

[ionic magnet]

1 day left and still no real bisko tweet

[shy hazel]

its ui

they say bisko is on 25th now

[ionic magnet]

🚮

[zenith tundra]

how much are u on roon

[shy hazel]

10per

[zenith tundra]

ive been slacking off home and at work too much to do

22%

i tought u were ahead of me

[shy hazel]

nope

i din farm ytd

apolooils soon

[zenith tundra]

i want gold

the game just keeps giving me sr cognition eesearches for ibuki and roon and i cannot pass on them

31hrs before patch and no patch notes nor bismark announcement

[vague token]

extra secret

xD

guess it's time to level QE, Repulse, and Hood to 110 for monarch

probably just 100 for repulse

[modern tree]

just use Hood

[ionic magnet]

or just level ws

[vague token]

well, gotta get her to at least 90 for Fleet Tech yo

;)

at least repulse is cheap blue bc

xD

[modern tree]

you can mlb on 70 and next points are at 120 so 90 seems redundant

[vague token]

oh right

i always forget that xD

[modern tree]

especially for the worst bc in the game bar none

[zenith tundra]

ill stock xp on my lvl 100 ws for monarch

[vague token]

well, 70 it is then

probably wont take long anyways

oh level 67 CA kizuna cant quite make it with 0 lbs lol

in 7-2

xD

[shy hazel]

id rather grind doy than hood tbh

but then im alrdy donr with monarch

110 qe doy ws

100 pow

[leaden sequoia]

if I manage to pull Hood before I start on Monarch, that will be a perfect excuse to level her

[zenith tundra]

u didnt finish the training thing?

[leaden sequoia]

nah

6k oil there

[zenith tundra]

it's not that much tbh but i'm doing same thing so

[shy hazel]

i dont touch it

fir french fries

i alrdy touch all my mail oil

i need to keep some

fo iris at least

[zenith tundra]

i need mail gold so rip mail oil

[shy hazel]

if i touch training oil

prolly can finish 5 prs in time

i just want to finish up lrdy

so can refocus oil somewhere

but gold

[vague token]

xD

[shy hazel]

anyways my initial projection is

im done with building all prs in 2 months

[vague token]

yeesh elegant kizuna has crazy high base evade

already at like 37 at level 69 lol

[charred sable]

Just to clarify, being slow on the EXP grind just means I'll be behind on unlocking other ships and doesn't impact the growth of this ship after unlocking?

[wicked rivet]

Nope

U can take as long as you need/want

Rushing just means you'll get it faster and also burn out faster

[ionic magnet]

growth after unlocking depends on your BPs so yea

[wicked rivet]

^

And it takes 340ish to max plus another 180ish to fully upgrade luck

[vague token]

big grind

hopefully biscuit has another 30 general bps

[ionic magnet]

its just a question of whether you'll have 2 or 4 or maybe even 6 maxed PR ships in 3 months

[zenith tundra]

u want to farm them so u can just forget they exist till half year later when u have enough bps

[coral wren]

340 and 180? a u kidding

[vague token]

xD

no

[coral wren]

Holy jesus fuck

[vague token]

340 is for dev 30

[zenith tundra]

508 total

[vague token]

180 is for fate sim which grants luck and a boost to the skill

[coral wren]

this is retard ed

[ionic magnet]

LOL

[vague token]

xD

[zenith tundra]

343 dev 30 and 165 fate

[ionic magnet]

relax we wont be having PR2 til next year

[zenith tundra]

i dont think it will take that much

[leaden sequoia]

PR ships are supposed to be OP, so we have to pay for that with our time, gold and oil

[zenith tundra]

i wonder if 4 months for dr is actually worth tho

[vague token]

and then pr2 with oper ships

xD

[charred sable]

At what point are the PR ships PvP-usable?

[zenith tundra]

i would say depends on ship

[charred sable]

Saint Louis and Neptune I think are the only two PR1s that matter for PvP

[vague token]

monarch's MGM is locked behind dev 30 i think?

yeah one is at dev 30

[wicked rivet]

pvp usable at dev 30

[vague token]

and 15% efficiency

[wicked rivet]

except one of them which is usable at dev 20 I think? but I cant remember which one

[vague token]

saint louis probably works ok before, it's just the barrage at dev 30

[wicked rivet]

yea she's good before

[vague token]

and 15% efficiency

she'll still do more damage than portland so

20-25 is probably ok

unless the stats are bad

por que no los dos

[zenith tundra]

ppl dont play pvp so its normal lists suck. i had to wait 3hrs for a +2 last reset

and got lucky with another +2 and +1 afterwards

[shy hazel]

do it later or now its all the same

building all 6 will burn u out anyways

[zenith tundra]

not even 500 pts and already rank 1.5k

[shy hazel]

finishing it early less stress to do futurr stuff

[zenith tundra]

if ppl would finish early u could sandbag in peace

[vague token]

somehow after losing i managed to get a +4

no idea how that happened

lol

[shy hazel]

maybe do long oil comms for gold in peace too

👀

[zenith tundra]

i havent done the long one in quite a while

no reason to waste oil tbh

it was already getting boring waiting to farm roon xp and stocking oil

[shy hazel]

well pr grind isnt even hard anyways

[leaden sequoia]

long comms probably work as a way to recover whatever sanity you have lost during exp farm

[shy hazel]

i lost my sanity to gbf grind long time ago

this is still like baby steps compared

[zenith tundra]

what's dricing me nuts is how much we have to wait for some damn announcements tbh. techincally speaking ui2.0 was a peak so it was never actually announced

[hot creek]

i wonder if its gonna mess up pvp

[zenith tundra]

ui should only affect ui nothing more

[leaden sequoia]

inb4 it's the patch that finally improves pvp in some way

prolly won't but hey

[shy hazel]

live controllable pvp

[zenith tundra]

i think pvp wont change anymore if we get out of open beta. at least not a total rework

speep pvp where score is based on how fast u clear attempts and how fast u do them

[coral wren]

I wish my group would actually move.

[zenith tundra]

complaining strats might just work

[coral wren]

TBH the biggest thing they could do to make PvP better in AL is to make a lot more ships viable and competitive and allow for actual counters beyond "run the same meta fleet as everyone else and reset until you win"

[zenith tundra]

there is no balacing in the game that's the problem. or minimal to say the least

speaking of balancing the lastest patch in jp turned ranger into a rng god. all u need is to proc her raid skill that will increase hee damage for 10sec instead on just 1 airstrike. if u get lucky u can even deal 6x/8x dmg lol

[hot creek]

wait, they buffed Ranger?

[zenith tundra]

they changed the 2x dmg skill

Skill balance changes:

"Raid Carrier" will be improved:
Before update: When launching an airstrike, 15% (25%) chance for it to inflict double damage.
After update: After: When launching an airstrike, 15% (25%) chance to double own damage for 10 seconds.

[lime rivet]

Rnger even more rnger

[hot creek]

oh wow they change the actual skill and not just for ranger, interesting

[zenith tundra]

only ranger and a few more cv have any use for it

ark too benefits from it with the extra swordfish barrage

and hornet

vicky needs retro

[shy hazel]

my lb0 slaves lvl70 now

@zenith tundra they still give pr xp even at 70 right

or am i wrong

[wicked rivet]

yeah they still give pr xp

[shy hazel]

i use one mlb two lb0 front

one mlb back

cos i still want that xp

👀

[zenith tundra]

any sortie xp goes to pr

lb0/1/2/max even max lvl max stocked xp gives

[vague token]

oh does that include stuff like focused assault?

(the carrier 2x skill)

[zenith tundra]

? what so u mean?

[vague token]

cause cas with it might be good if it was "double damage for 6 seconds" or w/e

or is it only raid carrier

[zenith tundra]

the patch only says that skill

[vague token]

aww

xD

[zenith tundra]

and ranger becomes more consistent with this change tbh

[vague token]

trying to think who else has raid carrier

ark royal skill bombs might do more damage?

err torps

go from like 200 to 400 or w/e

[zenith tundra]

yes all damage

ark hornet

[vague token]

oh hornet

oh and hermes

[zenith tundra]

maybe hermes too but her thing is timed wierdly

[vague token]

double cuda should be fast enough right?

she's two torp bombers

oh victorious gets the least out of it lol

no bonus ability to boost with it

[zenith tundra]

she needs retro

[ionic magnet]

whats the difference between before and after

looks the same

[vague token]

before it only applied to the strike damage

[zenith tundra]

imagine ranger launching 5 airstrikes with 2x

[vague token]

now it works on skill damage

so ranger before

you'd have to 2x EACH proc

now it's

you only have to 2x one of them

for all the hits to work

[ionic magnet]

it says for only 10 secs?

[vague token]

yeah, before it was

when you proc 1 air strike gets boosted

[zenith tundra]

its to boost skills

[vague token]

the other bonus air strikes dont

now it's

if you proc

all the following damage is automatically boosted for 10

so you dont need as much rng

you just need one out of however many bonus strikes you get

to trigger the 2x damage

[ionic magnet]

ah so before it doesnt boost the extra airstrike

[vague token]

well it could

if you were lucky

but that was rng on top of rng

[ionic magnet]

yea gotcha

[vague token]

also bonus for hornet

or ark royal

who get their skills boosted

ark royal doesnt really get much though

cause her skill damage is low

but maybe hornet hits ok with hers?

what are the bombs on hornet's skill anyways xD

[zenith tundra]

hiryuu would benefit from that skill tbh

[ionic magnet]

enty

[vague token]

enty doesnt have any bonus planes

it'd be mostly the same

or a downgrade

xD

[ionic magnet]

yea just give her another 2x dmg skill cos why not

[vague token]

kinda would be nice to do that for other 2x skills

[ionic magnet]

that change still isnt on EN right?

[zenith tundra]

only jp from patch notes

not sure about cn tbh

[vague token]

like takao's focused strike would be kinda neat

[ionic magnet]

well atleast they are starting to balance skills

[vague token]

or maybe like 50% damage boost for 6 seconds

instead of 2x

[zenith tundra]

we might get it on the 16th

[vague token]

wait wouldnt that also benefit hermes AA guns

TECHNICALLY?

"technically"

[zenith tundra]

with 6.25% u can run a 4x dmg ranger... maybe worth considering in pvp?

[vague token]

hermes aa meta jk

(.85 efficiency lol)

[zenith tundra]

finally got it

[vague token]

spend that money

;)

[zenith tundra]

that is to juicy to pass tho

[vague token]

i mean at least it's only 5k gold

not too bad

[zenith tundra]

more like u get 1 day equips bp in 30min

[shy hazel]

theyre just boosting cvs in general

[zenith tundra]

[vague token]

xD

[zenith tundra]

if they want to buff cv just remove jihads from 7-2 so my shouhou doesnt die anymore

[vague token]

just use zeppy

jk

[hot creek]

ughhhh tommorows last day and i still got no lolis

if i could get one i just want zeppy

[zenith tundra]

i have 3 reasons to use shoushou. she's only 106. zeppy is 110. 2 oil difference

even so zeppy is my favourite backliner for farming already

[lime rivet]

Heh.

[zenith tundra]

got a washing mascine, 381 both double and triple, aa radar and 203 mle

bps

[shy hazel]

delayed

how about my apolooils

[zenith tundra]

yeah just read that

[shy hazel]

hey

[zenith tundra]

rip ui 2.0

[shy hazel]

it sure didnt last long to bug out

[zenith tundra]

at least is a delay for everyone

[shy hazel]

its nit even released

[zenith tundra]

im not sure how to fell... is a bugged ui better then the old one?

[shy hazel]

well for me it wont chnge much

im just gonna grind as usual

[zenith tundra]

i was looking foward to it tbh

[shy hazel]

have to stop now my zepy went red mood

forgot to put to dorm

[zenith tundra]

poor zeppy

[midnight heron]

nanida

[vague token]

sheffield ykk does a lot of damage over time

especially against slow comps

[vague token]

rip didnt get akagi chan

[zenith tundra]

there is 1 more day to get her

[vague token]

i mean sure, but 1 more 3 build has pretty low odds

xD

[zenith tundra]

better then 0 chances

[vague token]

true

i just gotta believe

[ionic magnet]

they'll be perma anyways

[coral wren]

Why do some ppl put ykk in front of jesus and belfast offf tank? On nagami hiryuu

[zenith tundra]

juneau mid on defense is best choice

[vagrant veldt]

better than yukikaze third protection spot with peal tears

[coral wren]

I know

[zenith tundra]

so u just have to choose who to tank

[coral wren]

But isnt it usually belfast as fromttakk

Fromttank

Or does it not matter?

[zenith tundra]

some ppl just do things for reasons

[coral wren]

Maybe read the pvp guide wrong

[zenith tundra]

there is no reason to put yukikaze tank tbh

[coral wren]

Yeah. I will just assume person dont know how to read

[blazing scroll]

@hot creek What's the idea of your defense?

[hot creek]

go ask daxam

[vague token]

lol

[blazing scroll]

The damage output is way too low

[hot creek]

it works okayish on offense with 20% bonus assuming your barrages go off

i already went back to namaryuu

[vague token]

weak

jk

/cries in sara

[ionic magnet]

is that the QE with amagi comp

[blazing scroll]

Yeah

[hot creek]

wow finally got zeppy on daily crafts

[blazing scroll]

Congratz

[hot creek]

rip akagi/hiei tho

i only really wanted zeppy anyways

[modern tree]

What have I done again?

[blazing scroll]

The QE, Hood, Amagi was your idea?

[modern tree]

Yes, it hard fucks Namagi Hiryuu on offense

[blazing scroll]

Phoenix had it on defense and I totally destroyed it

[modern tree]

If you played against it just once and felt it was weak, you probably experienced one of the following: defender dealing 20% less damage flat, barrages not fiering, barrages being evaded because Amagi sucks, Amagi barrage hitting nothing because Amagi sucks

[blazing scroll]

It wasn't just once

Did 3 attempts

Still not a solid sample amount

But it felt really underwhelming

[modern tree]

Alright, then it's not a good defense team. I have 100% winrate against Namagi tho. I will test it properly when I won't have to do overtime

[blazing scroll]

Biggest problem was that my vg didn't die

[modern tree]

Vg not dying is whatever if the barrages can clean the backline, that's the idea

[blazing scroll]

You still have wasted shots on vg

[ionic magnet]

on def only backline that can reliably snipe someone is BB Kaga

so yea i can see that def comp getting rekt

[modern tree]

It doesn't matter, QE buffed Hood on offense can clean Amagi in 2-3 barrages

As long as this comp can proc Hiryuu with it's vg alive, you super win

[ionic magnet]

you just end up with 25-50% hp backlines but noone actually dying

[charred sable]

hmm, I think I'm gonna try not sandbagging this season and see how far that lands me

just aim to always be in top 10 every round

[modern tree]

QE doesn't care about Nagato barrage cuz buffed evasion and heavy armour

[charred sable]

cause I keep missing attacks by sandbagging and forgetting and end up being so behind that Admiral of the Fleet becomes impossible

that and I kind of want to keep fighting all the meta teams to fully get a better test out aux combinations

[ionic magnet]

+2 evasion and subpar hp

there are better options really

[zenith tundra]

@shy hazel how much are u grinding for today? i think i'll stop at 36%

[blazing scroll]

I hope to get Monarch at the end of this week 👀

[modern tree]

I hope I get enough bps to use Monarch this century

[hot creek]

I wonder if Monarch's barrage is good enough to let her get away with running 2 MGM

[blazing scroll]

I am out of sanrui bps and she is only dev10

The rest is gonna take a long while

[modern tree]

Tbh should have gotten Nep cuz even without dev shes still fat and heals

[hot creek]

does HP still scale normally with levels even without BP?

[zenith tundra]

this is what scales with bps

[shy hazel]

ill just grind whatever i can

maybe 40~50

[ionic magnet]

thats a lot of roon bps

[shy hazel]

everything gets filled

[blazing scroll]

I think it all fills with a certain amount

[shy hazel]

lol ya im so behind bps

[zenith tundra]

they all go up by a bit

also the 50/60 near the dev level is like saying 5/6bps

[shy hazel]

ill just grind for gold or long oil comm once im done with all 6

[zenith tundra]

idk why the x10 treatment tbh

[shy hazel]

i just use whatever bp i get

senseless to wait for it to accumulate

👀

[zenith tundra]

there is no point in stacking them

[blazing scroll]

I try to prioritize sanrui bps but not a lot of luck with the research projects

The game keeps throwing Izumo bps at me

[ionic magnet]

lol same

shes got more bps than my monarch and sanrui

[shy hazel]

i just do whatever

[ionic magnet]

i dont even do izumo comms

[blazing scroll]

Yup

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

i still dont knoe who to max dev first

[blazing scroll]

I just get them all no need to worry about anything then

[zenith tundra]

i started picking equip comm over random ship bps

[shy hazel]

not like ill use them asap anyways

even at dev30 that oil is use is op

youre gonna go oil poor grinding monarch to 200 aff

[zenith tundra]

just leveling her to lvl 120 should be way more then enough for 200

[shy hazel]

im broke

in ingame gold

saving 20k for roon now

[zenith tundra]

aren't u farming 7-2?

[shy hazel]

its not sustinable what

[blazing scroll]

Are the pr ships lvl capped with lb?

[zenith tundra]

i went from 5k yesterday to 25k now because of farming and missions rewards

[blazing scroll]

Or can you lvl them anyway

[zenith tundra]

only awakening

[shy hazel]

opposite of me

ny shop is too good

[blazing scroll]

Ah okay

[zenith tundra]

no need to lb

[shy hazel]

and i still build 3 times per day

[blazing scroll]

Because the dev lvls are some kind of lb

[shy hazel]

what research do u even take

i only take 2h30m d one

[zenith tundra]

if it's not roon/ibuki i just go for equips

if nothing better just the shortest donation

[shy hazel]

2h30min u mean

👀

anyways no more event

[zenith tundra]

i got the sr free one 12hr

[shy hazel]

and i managed to get all units from all limited shizz

90 cubes

@ionic magnet

how many

[zenith tundra]

i have 300 and don't even try heavy/special for ships even on daily

[shy hazel]

so fast 👀

didnt u only have like 100 last time

[ionic magnet]

got 150 rn cos i pulled 20x just now

got nothing tho

[shy hazel]

time to make my cubes catch up

[zenith tundra]

now i'm wondering if we even get anything tomorrow or just maint to end kizuna/belchan

[shy hazel]

cn bisko 17th i heard

[blazing scroll]

Is maint needed to end an event?

[shy hazel]

yes

[blazing scroll]

The smaller events never need one iirc

[zenith tundra]

kiazuna is like a major event tho

[shy hazel]

they needed maint to remove any with shop

[blazing scroll]

That's why I asked

[shy hazel]

exchange not rly

[ionic magnet]

so many cheaters lol

rip washington

[zenith tundra]

took them 50min to put the tweet on discord lol

[vague token]

lol

[charred sable]

I thought there was a Twitter bot

[lean phoenix]

I wonder how relevant Sirius’ yellow skill is with nakaga

[vague token]

i havent seen many sirius nakagas

most of them run torps

[shy hazel]

its relevant

it sucks as def

but good with off

[odd schooner]

Well

Ye

Oh, after atking

[shy hazel]

so,exact

mine is all messed up

[odd schooner]

What's the cap

Stella how much you got

Cause i keep trading purin before so I'm lower than most

[shy hazel]

269790

i basically never use my merit

plan is 1m

i dont even remember the last season i used

with how much were despo for gold rn

i dont think ill use any purins for now

[shy hazel]

cya how much rn

join me on the quest

1m merits

[blazing scroll]

I keep spending mine on t4 eagle and ironblood boxes

Need more SGs and mag torps

[shy hazel]

just farm sg

[blazing scroll]

I don't find it worth the trouble/oil

So might as well spend my merits on them

[shy hazel]

id rather get bulins or cubes lol

[blazing scroll]

I rarely get the cubes and I am stacked on bulins

[charred sable]

oh right, I was supposed to un-sandbag

[charred sable]

Well, that was easy

[shy hazel]

[ionic magnet]

meanwhile noone moving in my list

[charred sable]

I used up all 10 of my attacks without a single bonus gained

||Im gambling on the assumption that those who are top ranked also frequently use all 5 of their attacks right after reset, so I can gain bonus points from them||

[finite valve]

cough Epic store cough

[charred sable]

@balmy torrent had to buy gems for oath rings earlier today for Erebus and Terror

[azure blaze]

what's the best equipment that i could use on jintsuu, aya and yuki?

[charred sable]

What country do you live in with shitty conversion rates?

Average living cost is?

RIP

The only Polish guy I ever knew was a drunkard guildie

He showed us once a picture of him, his girlfriend, and a goat, and we were like, "nice girlfriend, but who's the girl standing beside you two?"

Some would argue pride vs reality is a losing fight

As long as it doesn't lead you to going to sleep hungry every day

My ex lived in Austria where they apparently have a really good social welfare system and she lived off welfare and the occasional PayPal money I'd send her, and she also took on the same "I've got too much pride to work minimum wage jobs" attitude and just stayed home gaming and "self-studying" every day

Then something happened and her welfare got cut off, so she was living off money I was sending her, which apparently wasn't enough to keep her out hungry (and lead to a massive deterioration of her health)

Which lead to deterioration of mental health and even more extreme mindsets

Ended up breaking up with her after I visited her and she went psychotic and blaming me for everything and claiming I was trying to bully her with everything I said or did. Found out later she was also cheating on me, so no regrets

But one lesson I did learn is that hungry definitely changes people a lot and destroys you mentally

Well, the good thing at least is you can enjoy the bulk part of Azur Lane without having to spend a penny

lol, your words were exactly this video: https://youtu.be/jFzUbgpWNf8

[burnt ice]

how do you deal with amagi+nagato+hiryuu

[wicked rivet]

amagi opposite hiryuu to proc her early

[finite valve]

or be like me and just brute force your way to victory using foxes zzz

[modern tree]

I tried using Warspite instead of QE too, not a huge sample but it also works. I think that if you are lucky enough, wasd Amagi will also work. It's just the matter of reliably killing the backliners, which Wash can do, but she's sloooow

This team honestly doesn't feel super oppressive

But maybe playing HMS in every possible meta made my skin thick

[coral wren]

the one fucking time I get a small project. I get the fking 203 MLE too omg fking rng kms

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/514333656312053763/578216184139350017/image0.png

maybe I should have just gone for the gun... I am building Roon still

no ragrats

[elder crane]

I've already had some probs, with not having enough bps for some of those projects
Somehow I have 200+ bp stored for some yet only like 30 for others...

[shell heron]

I get that. Had to pass on a HE 203 yesterday because of that.

Why can't I get a staag project. I have 441 twin 100mm bps

[elder crane]

those aren't staag project afaik, only 100mm projects, the shitty PR AA gun

I've had that 3-4 times now, but just skipped after 1st since it's pretty shitty

(first time was to start establishing baseline of what that project gives)

[shell heron]

So it is the shitty AA gun.

[shy hazel]

holy crap

i only reach 33%

[elder crane]

Yeah, sadly
the staag project for 100mm might still exist, but haven't seen it

[shy hazel]

i need to do harder

[shell heron]

Made a mistake, had to pass on the PR AP 203 because I was lacking sk c bps to trade in. And I wanted to make that too

[coral wren]

kms ships are so trash... holy shit. Roons probly the hardest ship to grind for <.<

[elder crane]

Yeah same, no SKC 203s, no 381s for me
Plenty of 100mm, plenty of HE203, plenty of 410, and enough for 1-2 more 152s iirc

[coral wren]

Does Roon have any use in pvp after Fate simulation?

since she starts with shield

[finite valve]

shield is useless if you can't block torp

[coral wren]

oh crap

right

[elder crane]

also can't block BB shots
Which she will eat more due to low speed

[finite valve]

pray that bisko skill going to buff KMS stat to sky high so you can use roon in pvp

lel

[hybrid tendon]

i just remember a boat thats i stashed away just because of too many foxes

goddamn eldridge

namaryuu?

namaryshit now

you dare not running foxes?

[raw osprey]

foxes in 2k19

[modern tree]

Okay, so from my tests it seems like just running Hood and Amagi on flanks with whatever heavy armour flagship makes Namagi Hiryuu go poof. Gonna test wasd later

[hybrid tendon]

hmm really

looks like namaryuu can only bully akaga

[zenith tundra]

sure namaryuu can't win on defense anymore what a trash comp

[modern tree]

If nothing else, running this comp asap has given me plenty of targets to test against and prove that pvp didn't end until Warspite

Actually can't think of any time, as long as EN was around, where you'd be forced to run mirror or die

People just get triggered at different things throughout the time

Amagi might be the only thing that I would legit call mandatory, up until Monarch becomes operational

And it's only for right now, cuz without Nagato you could still run whatever jank you wanted

[hybrid tendon]

warspite pepega

just run another warspite on the opposite slot

and you are fine

just make sure yours is at 200 affection

[vague token]

isnt it hiryuu kai that ends pvp until WS kai?

cause then hiryuu gains like 900 hp and yuge damage

[hybrid tendon]

wskai is before hiryuukai tho

[vague token]

ws kai is the great liberator

oh

i dunno all the releases xD

[hybrid tendon]

dont worry bismarck will save us

from the ws menace

[vague token]

i dunno

[hybrid tendon]

[vague token]

if anything she'll just give us bismarck/ws kai meta

xD

[blazing scroll]

It would be better honestly

[hybrid tendon]

if you cant beat them

[blazing scroll]

Better than just ws

[hybrid tendon]

join them

easy

[vague token]

who needs stat buffs and synergy when your raw stats are highest in the game and you got busted skills ;)

[hybrid tendon]

just buy rings then run mirror fleet

[finite valve]

not really sold into these ring for pvp only shit since pvp still got atk bonus

zzz

[vague token]

well, the hp helps a lot at 120

[finite valve]

so does 20% atk bonus

[modern tree]

I continue finding unironic ways to get non kai Warspite to 90% winrates

Come at me

[vague token]

daxam ultimate hipster

[hybrid tendon]

I would have to agree that rings are great for pvp

[stark raft]

Have you tried DoY instead of QE daxam?

[hybrid tendon]

6% definitely make a difference in mirror

DoY is kinda bleh

her slow barrage is aimed at backline

[finite valve]

more so then a +20% atk?

[hybrid tendon]

you need that to hit frontline

[modern tree]

I tried Warspite cuz I love her she's better. I can try doy I guess

[finite valve]

i would believe if there was no atk bonus

[hybrid tendon]

when is KGV, Howe and Anson

[stark raft]

I have both at 200 affection but not bis

So your data would be better

[hybrid tendon]

Monarch is probably a rejected KGV design

so it would be awkward if KGV has lines for her

[modern tree]

Ima sit down and do proper tests now that I am finally off work

[stark raft]

It'd be DoY Hood Amagi + Jun Sheff Ykkz yeah?

[hybrid tendon]

yea

[modern tree]

Something like that, yes. I'd like to try other vgs too but I will probably run out of time

[midnight heron]

im scared of wat ive summoned

[wicked rivet]

[shell heron]

That's a lot of sanrui bps. Getting projects for everyone else except her.

Especially Izumo

[blazing scroll]

I'm with you

Me too, but my luck is garbage

[shell heron]

Just unlucky I guess, I'll do any project with sanrui in it. But if she's not avaliable, I'll do anyone else.

Even Izumo if the other 4 are pretty bad

[shell heron]

Don't think we ever had a farm map with the purp SKC bp as a drop

Or I would have 200+ of those rn

idk which event I farmed but I got 441 twin 100mm rn

that explains it

I don't need anymore belguns.

[dense lynx]

bois
what comp is best for farming Monarch in ch. 11?

[wicked rivet]

the cheapest fleet u can auto it with

[versed atlas]

welp

my pvp is already fucked

because my phone's alarm just didn't work

god this game's pvp system is terrible

it's particualrly frustrating because the early PvPs give so many points too

[elder crane]

imo they should move to diff system for relative pt gain than the silly one here
I still most like proposal, make all base pt gain 1-2 pts higher, then -1 pt per match not completed (reset, disconnect, etc)
Maintains the casual-friendliness yet makes PvP more competitive

[odd schooner]

@balmy torrent you're at 5/10?

[charred sable]

I think I can maintain this

[dusk bridge]

I really hate sniping pvp

[shell heron]

I might be out this season. a full day of dead resets day 2 is a loss of plenty of bonus points

[vague token]

any suggestion that isnt an ELO ranking is silly jk

that way we can play as many matches as we want

no schedule

;))))

oof

[vague token]

oh i forgot i can level skills on saint louis since she exists now lol

he ammo boost away!

i just set her to dorm/comms atm

xD

i dunno why but i thought they were full oil cost from start

xD

[stone grove]

Hmm question
If I wanted to annoy people with a Namaryuu defence but don't have Amagi
Anyone I could substitute in?

[elder crane]

Amagi is pretty critical for the team, I don't think it works without her
She's pretty critical for a lot of other teams too
Your best bet for somewhat annoying people without Amagi is probably Nakaga
You can try Souryuu, but without their retrofits the Nagato-Dragon team really doesn't work

[vague token]

hyuuga i guess?

[elder crane]

I'd take BB kaga over Hyuuga, if you have her

[lean phoenix]

Jeez I hate all the namaryu teams lol

[stone grove]

I do have foxes, so I can try Nakaga
Albeit I'll admit I probably wouldn't put them in till they are 110 because Nakaga with about lv100 aren't much a problem for my attack fleet with two shipfu backliners

Don't have BB Kaga or Hyuuga sadly

[lean phoenix]

Even without the kai, the airstrikes of lv110 hiryu can get you killed

Its the one thing I fear

[elder crane]

I suppose you don't have the FW Washington either
For offense, I hear Nagato-Cranes does fairly well vs Namayuu, as well as some Sarakai/Enty teams (not really sure how to build those personally), for other options without Amagi
But both those teams fare somewhat poorly vs foxes

[lean phoenix]

ive had no issue with namaryuu lv100

but lv110 i cant beat at all no matter how many resets with my nakaga xd

[elder crane]

Yeah, namayuu is really by far the best wall team
I run that in offense, and in my experience, the only non-mirror matchup I ever have to reset, even if just rarely, is some weird SaraRetro/Enty teams

lv 110 vs lv 100 is something like 1/3+ more eHP, soooo

not exactly surprising

reload impact isn't too large overall, it's the eHP and much lower damage

[stone grove]

Hmm yeah

My offense team is a Sarakai-Enty comp actually, they're decent at killing foxes as long as the levels are about equal + Enterprise procs at least once
I'm not sure who I should put as 3rd backline though, using Hornet because I lack levels on other big damagers than Sara/Enty
I might try Pearls Tears on a frontline since I notice two of them sink a decent bit

[elder crane]

20% more dmg taken/20% less dealt for just the level difference
And then also the evasion effect of level
And also PvP HP level scaling
And also HP/eva stat level scaling
And also offensive stat scaling

[stone grove]

Hm yea I need to get Juneau, but I do have the Tears already

[elder crane]

Hood is probably a fine match for Sarakai/Enty

Monarch maybe once you have her up and running
though by that time we might already get CE rerun

[stone grove]

Hue
Yeah my first PR dev is Monarch, think she could perform decent at dev20-25?

I'm pushing to dev her first honestly

[elder crane]

idk, her barrage will be weaker and iirc she gets last main gun shot at dev30

Yeah, 1 MGM and 15% of her main gun efficiency is at dev30

that's a pretty big impact

[stone grove]

Oof well I could def try to pick up Hood as a temp

[elder crane]

at least monarch PvP doesn't benefit too much from the last 165 BPs

[stone grove]

I have like 61 Monarch BPs already, hopefully Bismarck event helps with picking up more
Yeah Monarch's stats make up for her luck

[elder crane]

1.5% hitrate and evarate, not that huge really
crit is like 0.3% critrate, w/e

[stone grove]

W/ hence the Bismarck mention

If they have gen that's 91 post Bisko, decent chunk

[elder crane]

and ofc her skill boost from the last 165 is pretty w/e for PvP

[stone grove]

RNG doesn't want to give Monarch print comms lul

I keep getting Izumo ones

Yeah, I'm currently trying to powergrind Monarch when I have free time
Then I can relax a bit with Sanrui and my usual pve comps

[elder crane]

Yep, she was supposedly pretty good without it already
Though CN says she's slotted into Namayuu mainly to counter Aurora teams, and doesn't really have significant winrate diff otherwise, mirror included, for what that's worth given the server content differences

Should make a even better defense wall though

[stone grove]

yeah that eva buff sounds nice

[elder crane]

Yep, while boost is active she basically has CL evasion and speed

[stone grove]

also means I can retire Portkai

[elder crane]

Now time to figure out who gets stuck with badge instead of rudder
Unless Nagato gets double +eva stacked

[stone grove]

Aye

I've pvped against YKKZ and found her the most annoying bit of comps I can beat
Purely because taking off the last sliver of hp is ass with the zooming

[vague token]

saint louis should work well with sara boosting her damage more

[elder crane]

Aurora comps really do tear up current vanguards
Too bad she's squishy herself
If CN results have any parallel with us, 120 will make that more viable
Though ofc Louis shuts her down hard

[stone grove]

I honestly don't see as many Auroras but I'm on Washy so opponent rng prob

[elder crane]

FE/Box imo
Feels like she dies before other members too often imo

[vague token]

i hate torp aurora cause sara needs longer fights

her longer take off time and inability to get fire ticks when vanguards die fast makes things a problem

[elder crane]

Yeah, defs a personal preference thing I think, boiler or box

[vague token]

numbah wan

[stone grove]

Honestly the other reason I put in Hornet to attack comp in addition to levels on other shipsis for w/e reason she reloads right in time with Enty
Both max enhance, Hornet lower level, kind of helps dmg when Lucky E doesn't proc
It's kinda lulzy when Hornet procs but not Enty and clinches a fox kill

Pffft
I'm levelling Sandy in prep for retro

[lean phoenix]

i feel like I should derank myself lol

[lean phoenix]

final counter being independent of the regular airstrikes is wtf

[ionic magnet]

[lean phoenix]

procs final counter
meh, ill survive that

launches the regular airstrike right after
ok resetting

[vague token]

and that's why you dont run rush comp into hiryuu xD

[ionic magnet]

should be better if you can get them to max level

[vague token]

hiryuu loses to Better Stallers who can beef through it and force final counter while vanguard is up

(until kai lol)

[ionic magnet]

thats already a good result if youre using underlevelled ships

[lean phoenix]

Problem is in the rank im in its like 3/4 of the choices are these comps lol

It’d be a blessing to find anything that isnt this comp

i love crushing wasde fleet

[ionic magnet]

theres no comp that 100% wins against namaryuu anyways

so just get used to resetting

[lean phoenix]

:3

[vague token]

[modern tree]

he doesnt know xd

[lean phoenix]

ive heard rumors of it

but i havent fought it first hand until this season

[modern tree]

if you want to win with "namaryuu" really easily, all it takes is Hood, Amagi and a heavy armour flagship

I have had really damn high win percentage with QE of all the ships, any real ship will probably push it to almost 100%

I wanted to test it toay but suddenly all the good comps vanished from my lobbies

[ionic magnet]

idk who you're testing with but last time i tried that comp it didnt really help

[elder crane]

Dork, Ws, Nagato, Sodak, Wash, what would you say is the best 3rd there?

[ionic magnet]

i only test against fully optimized teams so

[vague token]

ws is probably the best out of that set

either early Amagi kill, reducing enemy durability by a lot, or you force final counter super fast

[lean phoenix]

https://youtu.be/FNwUdRcWqj8

[modern tree]

I think Warspite is really good, I wanted to try doy, I didnt think of including wash because I also wanted to to try wasd amagi later, since it probably also wins as long as wash doesnt miss every proc

except wash barrage is really too fucking slow for pvp

[elder crane]

Those are the ones I have at 200 aff basically
QE still sitting at 100 unoathed, BBKaga is lv90

[modern tree]

wash is basically a barrage behind every other barrage boat

[elder crane]

And Hyuuga at 100 unoathed too

It's also weaker I think

[modern tree]

Hyuuga could be cool

[ionic magnet]

that so called anti-namaryuu fleet is just a modified hms so if amagi can push hms into 100% winrate then she should be tier -0.5 or smth

[modern tree]

its not "HMS"

[elder crane]

1566 total base for arcing Wash vs 2262 Hood and 904+936 Amagi arcing+straight

[modern tree]

its "Hood kills Amagi 1v1 because Hood is a godess"

[vague token]

xD

[modern tree]

and you use Amagi because her barrage trips Hiryuu early

[ionic magnet]

"modified hms"

[modern tree]

Monarch will also be able to 1v1 Amagi, even faster too

[elder crane]

It's cause the arcing portion of Amagi is targeted randomly and so just goes wherever

[modern tree]

so HMS will end up with ridiculously high win percentages

[elder crane]

Monarch 2054 base but it's AP (earlier ones listed were normal ammo)

Also her own really high stats boosts that quite a bit

[modern tree]

also Monarch tanking Amagi barrage just makes her angrier

it's all just falling into place

[vague token]

xD

[modern tree]

you use Hood to reload buff and trip Hiryuu, Monarch to slay the fox, and just win

[elder crane]

Basically you should win the main 1v1s and QE means vanguard should win
Seems legit

Not sure on dropping Amagi tbh though
She makes a pretty big difference

[modern tree]

cant run md armour ship in front of Nagato

I mean, you can, but you can also try bulins for their 100 Luck

[elder crane]

You tank Nagato with QE ofc, smh

or are we dropping her too?

[modern tree]

I'd never run Amagi over Hood with Monarch

so the only way to fit Amagi is dropping QE and slapping hert on flagship, and I am also probably not doing that

[elder crane]

idk, not sure if you're undervaluing her defensive buffs
10% eva rate and fire debuff is like ~15% eHP vs non-suicide, 9% stat debuff is like ~8% eHP,
losing her defensive buffs is like losing almost a full Juneau heal's worth of eHP, possibly more depending on how the eva rates play out

[modern tree]

okay but you can do that or reliably deal 1300 more damage to the intended target with barrage

while buffing main fleet reload

[elder crane]

If the meta moves to SG+Rudder, the eva rate eHP boost is actually more like 20%
And if with shells the meta is Shell+Rudder it's even higher

[modern tree]

you guys always get so caught up with math that you forget things also have purpose

[ionic magnet]

qe buffs eva stat not eva rate

[elder crane]

nah, I'm just wondering if the loss in eHP means the team won't win as handily as you might think
Sure, the current duels work out, but that's with your amagi
Though I suppose if Hood+Amagi buff wins vs Amagi, then Monarch without it probably does too

I number-crunch since we can't actually test yet, to get a qualitative sense of what might be different

[modern tree]

Monarch doesnt need a defensive buff vs Amagi because she has a good armour modifier, self heal and vastly outdamages the fox

And tanking the fast barrage, just buffs your reload

thats provided Amagi wont just shoot any of the other 5 ships

[elder crane]

I wonder if Monarch on Nagato might be interesting
Probably not since Nagato buff is persistent and Amagi's isn't
Although with the reload buff you're ahead of Nagato, and Monarch's barrage slams Nagato much harder than Nagato returns due to ammo mods

In the end though, you kill Nagato, and then: so what?

nah probably not worth

[modern tree]

Always gotta consider that when Monarch kills her intended target, she's just a vanilla shelling boat from then on

so only sinking Amagi makes sense

since you deny the buffs

I like that Warspite on flag shoots the other flank when the top ship is sunk, I am having so much fun with this, wtf

[elder crane]

Are you sure Monarch's barrage doesn't splash a bit, like washington's does?
(not really a big deal probably)

[modern tree]

It probably does? It covers a really big area so I'd imagine some projectiles slip, but it's not that big of a deal in the end

[zenith tundra]

@shy hazel happy with oil from delay?

[hot creek]

more oil for french event

[modern tree]

heh

for reference

[vague token]

sheffield

[ionic magnet]

how many wins in 10 fights? 20 fights?

[modern tree]

I am testing, hold on

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

only 1k but ill take it

im at cap oil again

for some reason

i got tons of good e comms ytd

like 600 oil each emergency comm

got 3 of those

[zenith tundra]

lol

% rn?

im stuck at 56

[elder crane]

Oh, I just found you Kiro
but no time to test, was 6/10

Ugh, with TP out it's hard to gauge if it's optimized or not
Main fleet power seems low, unless you haven't done much TP?

[modern tree]

11-3 with Warspite, had to actually finish my games cuz reset

all the games I lose are the ones where Nagato barrages 2-3 times back to back

its flipping coins

I tried doy but I was 3-3 after 6 games and she feels fucking weak af

[elder crane]

Lol basically what the mirror is like too
But the fact it can perform just as well is great, another team option

[ionic magnet]

just another viable comp yea

[modern tree]

it is not a meaningful upgrade if you have namagi

[ionic magnet]

so theres nothing wrong with what i said earlier

[modern tree]

but slapping Hood on Namagi might be something to try

[ionic magnet]

no comp can 100% win against namaryuu

[elder crane]

But it's a team without Nagato, which is great for those who missed her

[modern tree]

actuall

[elder crane]

Still 🇫 to those who missed Amagi though

[modern tree]

I will just play Namagi Hood for a bit

it can't be worse than Warspite

[elder crane]

Hood more reliable than Baka I suppose

[ionic magnet]

nagato should be better

and guess whos better than hood

hiryuu

[elder crane]

I wouldn't be so sure...
Ws shots focus is much more reliable

[ionic magnet]

now we're back full circle

[modern tree]

Hiryuu is not better than Hood unless you are fighting foxes, its a fact

[elder crane]

Also not so sure on that one
But if it does stop steamrolling foxes, that might be an issue, foxes aren't extinct yet

[modern tree]

I mean, Warspite was also beating foxes

[shy hazel]

@zenith tundra

50%

[modern tree]

Hood can solo kill a fox before they fire twice

[ionic magnet]

hiryuu is not what

[shy hazel]

im just beginning to grind

[modern tree]

its good enough

[ionic magnet]

on nagato comp?

[elder crane]

Cause from what I see, a super early Hiryuu proc just results in a killed flagship with ryuuseis a fair chunk of the time
And then it's a 2 v 3 for a while

[shy hazel]

i should end today with 80%

ill have free time waitng next step aft that

i think i go louis next

then nep

[ionic magnet]

hood is not better than hiryuu on nagato comp for sure

against foxes or not

[zenith tundra]

well im lucky if i end up at 70% today too much work at work

[shy hazel]

actually im thinking of makng izumo

cos i have no damn purple cruiser

bp

[elder crane]

If only izumo barrage didn't have that super wide spread

[zenith tundra]

eh i'm going for a backliner next so i can level up my roon

[elder crane]

or at least have the damage to make up for the spread

[modern tree]

you are making claims without testing anything

[zenith tundra]

so either izumo or monarch

[modern tree]

and I am gonna test it

and come back

[shy hazel]

are u sure u wanna do that

expensive,asf oil

all prs

[modern tree]

team data to back up my claims

we out here

[zenith tundra]

who cares i'm done speed farming tbh

[shy hazel]

i need more delay oils

[zenith tundra]

i need more time lol

[shy hazel]

i hope next event has discounted oil pack

[zenith tundra]

i have to 200 oath roon so i need to use her whatever it takes

[shy hazel]

zack cited for roon oath line

[zenith tundra]

the problem i have with izumo is 2.4m and 2.5m xp on nagato and amagi lol

[elder crane]

Raise up KagaBB!

Or Hyuuga I suppose

[zenith tundra]

oh her right

[lament lichen]

i have exactly 3 mill on my amagi

[shy hazel]

izumo will be that pr

thatll stay as ny comm,ship

forever

[finite valve]

going to finish sanrui at friday

then move to monarch

[zenith tundra]

idk if i want hyuuga non retro even tho i'm leveling 2 of her again lol

excluding kai one

[elder crane]

Why bother with a non-retro version unless for 0LB memes?

[finite valve]

hard mode req

[zenith tundra]

hyuuga is a good 13 oil bb tbh

[elder crane]

She's pretty meh as a non-retro

Might as well use half-retro cats

[zenith tundra]

u can still use her for low cost

i dont like yama that much

[elder crane]

I don't see how she's better than a half-retro cat

Well, waifu is as good of reason as any I suppose

[zenith tundra]

maybe she can work with other bb better?

[shy hazel]

when im using bbs

i only bring 1~1

[elder crane]

Cause either you're low-cost, and then she's not better
Or you're running multiple ships, and then no point in her low cost when better options exist

[zenith tundra]

say that to my nagato hyuuga hiryuu sp black boss fleet

[ionic magnet]

you are making claims without testing anything
and i am gonna test it
and come back

[elder crane]

You're buffing exactly Nagato... not sure how much value that is...
pretty sure some other shuffle of team is better

[shy hazel]

i assume maint later

gotta grind hard rn

[ionic magnet]

is there maint later?

[shy hazel]

to makr 80% possible

[zenith tundra]

i can see what ur point is but hyuuga is better with other bb no matter how u go around it

[ionic magnet]

no patch notes tho

[shy hazel]

they still removing events

what

pretty there is

[ionic magnet]

well no need for maint to remove events

[shy hazel]

they delay ui but not maint