pvp

[elder crane]

Psht, I can barely remember names of stuff I actually care about

[wicked rivet]

at this point idc enough to reroll for that +1

[elder crane]

I'm saving a few in case I get trolled
twice yesterday, I had everyone below me on list at 6/10

[midnight heron]

interesting coincidence

[hot creek]

are you allowed to play on two servers at the same time with the same account?

[midnight heron]

allowed as in "is it breaking a rule" or "does the game let you"?

cuz for the former idk, for the latter yes it does

[shell heron]

Guess that makes 3 of us in the same position

[wicked rivet]

the answer to those is no and yes

oh hi fellow avrora

wait

caylm

boi

[shell heron]

If you got me on your list now, don't expect me to move anytime soon. pretty dead list

[wicked rivet]

wait I thought I had you

but I think my list refreshed

oh wait no

I fought u cause i figured you wouldnt move up

nvm

I am

[hot creek]

dang thats crazy, the only thing that stopped me from playing on two servers with one account was cause I thought you could only be logged in on one at a time.

[midnight heron]

i always move unless im asleep on resets so fite me

[modern tree]

thanks for your service, and also for taking off Akagi chan from FUCKING FLAGSHIP with VG of average lvl 55 : )

[midnight heron]

lul

[hot creek]

nah, we should have tested if the bug is still in

[modern tree]

I mean, if he puts it up again I can test it

[shell heron]

I fought one last reset and nothing went wrong

[modern tree]

I have more than 10 minutes before reset now

[hot creek]

nah, just take the +1 now

it takes time for defense fleets to update

[midnight heron]

guess its time to shrink akagi again

[modern tree]

I am probably not getting more points from this reset because I gotta sleep because I have a very important job

[shell heron]

If you manage to get +1 this reset, I call that a win

[wicked rivet]

Yeah this late getting +1 is gonna be tough

[hot creek]

then commence akagi shrinking @midnight heron

[midnight heron]

inb4 i get complaints dat im purposefully breaking da game

[hot creek]

its okay, unless she's high enough level it doesnt matter

[leaden sequoia]

just make the tests brief enough so that not many people notice that and start to copy

[midnight heron]

its done anyway

[shell heron]

I forgot what caused the bug. The proc of her protection skill?

[leaden sequoia]

proc of that skill when vanguard is dead

only occurs with opponent's smolkagi

[zenith tundra]

the game doesn't know what to do when her skill is procced and there is no target for it so it hangs infinitely

[shell heron]

I'll have to test if the bug is still around if I see that lvl 97 smolkagi person is on my list again

[modern tree]

I saw Crimson Gods protection pop up on screen with no VG and it didnt freeze

also, if I knew you are not gonna have planes on her, then I'd not even say anything

its so hard to keep lvl 70 ship alive for like 40 seconds lmao

@midnight heron you can keep her in your fleet for the meme, congratulations

[midnight heron]

yay

[hot creek]

looks like we're in the clear

[modern tree]

I tested it again in case, unless the plane loudout influences it, it is fixed

[leaden sequoia]

original bug report for anyone interested: https://discordapp.com/channels/456397991847395339/468804420801527810/574974109159522308

not like that video would help much cuz smolkagi doesn't even get to launch planes

[vague token]

oh they fixed it

?

huzzah!

[vague token]

nothing like ykk getting mvp because namagi hiryuu is so slow

and cls troll sara sometimes with evade

[wicked rivet]

Someone rushed to #3 and I actually got a +1 nice

Fight other people

If u reset more than 5 times then something is off

Well actually, sometimes rng fucks you anyways even if ur fleet is good

If you can win more than u lose then ur doing okay

Double power?

Yea thats why

[vague token]

50/50 is ok for non meta

usually

[wicked rivet]

^

[vague token]

since non meta can get dunked by meta pretty easily atm

[wicked rivet]

Pretty much

[vague token]

minus full optimized daxam fleet

;)

[modern tree]

Well, good luck without HFCR, WASD, Amagi, and Nagato

on Avrora

lol

[wicked rivet]

^

You win

Check tier lists and equpiment lists

Pretty sure they're all pinned

[vague token]

like, compare the best in slot gear to yours for gear

[modern tree]

I will tell you right now that unless you have purple/gold equipment at +10 to choose from and fleet at lvl 110, worrying about optimising is only gonna distract you from doing pve, which is how you get there

[wicked rivet]

If you can find some non meta way to win without limited event ships then good job

Yeah pvp now isnt worth it until u get high level botes and +10 BiS equips

[vague token]

well, xp is still oil free

so it's still worth

to just blow matches anyways

[wicked rivet]

Yes thats tru

EZ xp

[vague token]

and merits (50%)

[wicked rivet]

But RIP that win %

[vague token]

it's just a number

who caaaaares

[wicked rivet]

[vague token]

a true pvper doesnt have 100% win rate

[wicked rivet]

Tru

[vague token]

because we sleep through fights

[wicked rivet]

Nobody has 100%

[vague token]

xD

[wicked rivet]

Yeah

start fight
afk
"Oops"

[vague token]

even the sand bagger gods among us dont have 100% i think

[wicked rivet]

Nobody has 100%

[hot creek]

donald trump has 100%

[wicked rivet]

Maybe high 99%

[hot creek]

unless he lost the last time we seen him

[vague token]

THE WALL

xD

[wicked rivet]

The wall has died every time ive fought it

[vague token]

i havent gotten trump in ages now =/

others have though

[wicked rivet]

Saw him at #3 a few hours ago

Not on my list tho

[vague token]

ah

[shy hazel]

trump is dank dumb

100% pvp pve

imagine hin losing once

would be so hysterical

[vague token]

then the wall will be broken

and we cant have that

(inb4 defense rate becomes a thing)

(gg win rate)

[odd schooner]

Fought 4 different shikikan with NamaE backline

New EN trend?

They die on nakaga tho. Haven't tested namaryuu

[vague token]

namaryuu should still be fine

she typically invulns

and hits when owari da runs out

[ionic magnet]

so why is the tierlist still not pinned

@real notch the tierlist is p much done right?

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

oh god nothing like watching 0 hits from sara dive bombers on vanguard

miss all day xD

[shy hazel]

stop using sara

[vague token]

never!

i just wait until everyone runs saint louis ;)

and then ill win

top kek

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

that and i never hit with my guns on vanguards, yet i always get hit

the rng is strong

[shy hazel]

once louis hits

yoyll never win

not with minne in your vg

[vague token]

i mean minne is literally place holder

for louis

lol

she has the same efficiency and fp with no bulk

but i can fake it with sheffield

xD

torp vanguard just pushes the match too fast for me to tick anything down X_x

just gonna sacrifice hiryuu to the amagi and win

[raw osprey]

https://gyazo.com/753f3c92b2a4ed6b2998103adfd3493c rank 1 already flexing with zed skin i see

[ionic magnet]

not even oathed

[lament lichen]

skin been out from the previous event

[raw osprey]

i thought he was time traveling

[vague token]

lol

[lament lichen]

knew it kamita had to take a +9

[vague token]

oof

[shy hazel]

crazy sandbggers

getting 9 as early as now

vy aiming for top 1

[lament lichen]

im just getting +0

kamita got pretty lucky these past 3 days

always getting an extra +1

[raw osprey]

[elder crane]

I had to refresh list twice to avoid a +9

[shy hazel]

someone in game feedbck asking hiryu to get nerfed

[vague token]

lol

and then they do the opposite

[raw osprey]

retrofit when

[elder crane]

Just wait til she gets her retro

[shy hazel]

he dont know hiryu is stil on trash mode

[raw osprey]

Juneau (Retrofit) when?

[shy hazel]

[raw osprey]

[elder crane]

Retro Jun: full heal?

[shy hazel]

jun no need refit

[vague token]

juneau retrofit: heals allies while alive

[shy hazel]

jun survives alot aline alrdy

[vague token]

juneau base skill: heals allies when dead

[shy hazel]

she needs to die fast

[vague token]

WHAT DO I DO

xD

[shy hazel]

[raw osprey]

juneau retrofit: summon kai sandy/ warspite

[lament lichen]

nerf hiryuu

better buff her

[elder crane]

Juneau retro: heals herself too on would-be death

[vague token]

juneau retro: summon sharks too attack all enemies on death

too soon

[raw osprey]

Ah shit, here we go again... https://gyazo.com/2ae7dc2b33de0ce993e441e852442827

[vague token]

that is easy

stall namagi hiryuu is way easier for me than torp

because DoTs

;)

[elder crane]

Not even oathed Hiryuu
Easy kill?

Or oathed vans either

[vague token]

not everyone has ring budget

to be fair

he probably saved up and got 1 ring pack with all the chapter gems

[raw osprey]

i refreshed, hoping it gets better...

https://gyazo.com/3d201baea5fec36740a66d945762409f

well fck

[ionic magnet]

oath doesnt matter that much compared to the amount of rngs in fights

[elder crane]

It matters quite a bit for the mirror, I think

[lament lichen]

watch your team get no procs while the oppponents nagato gets 3 procs

[vague token]

i mean, for mirror it means forcing their final counter

earlier

i mean barrage rng is the true struggle

40% on the big seven is biggest troll

[shy hazel]

final counter vs final counter is scary

lol

[elder crane]

Well, it means you can probably win when down one more barrage than otherwise

[vague token]

you just count the seconds

[raw osprey]

ye, tf are u supposed to do

[vague token]

it isnt that bad

pray

duh

[raw osprey]

15th restart already

[vague token]

or Wait Until WS Kai

and then just nuke hiryuu out of existence

[ionic magnet]

i never looked at match timer til ppl use hiryuu

[vague token]

force final counter under15 seconds

[shy hazel]

i only pray to buddha

not to rngsus

[raw osprey]

[vague token]

man when ws kai and hiryuu kai there's gonna be so much qq in feedback xD

[elder crane]

For max vs max namayuu 2-3 barrage seems to be the limit
being down 3 or more is pretty much never a win
being down 2 can be a loss, other RNG-dependent

[vague token]

gl feedback mods o7

[ionic magnet]

15 restart? just refresh

[shy hazel]

let ppl complain

they never nerfed skills after north carolina

[raw osprey]

Ö

[elder crane]

plebs going to pleb regardless

[vague token]

wait what did they do to north carolina again?

[elder crane]

always something to whine about

[vague token]

i mean ws kai is somewhat valid, but at least she boots out nagato a bit

[shy hazel]

noca got her skills changed

[vague token]

ah

[shy hazel]

had a skill that procs with sd

[vague token]

o.O

[shy hazel]

and a barrage i believe

[vague token]

whaaat

she had a barrage?

[elder crane]

Was the rebalance between Wash/Sodak/Nocal

[vague token]

she would have been great with a barrage

=((((

[elder crane]

remember, FW is one of the first events ever

[vague token]

that'd be like giving PoW a barrage

=(((

[shy hazel]

shes not great

[ionic magnet]

PoW

[shy hazel]

shell be retarded

[vague token]

i mean she'd just be a tank variant of WS Kai

[raw osprey]

whens final encounter hell gonna end

[vague token]

with a barrage

no big deal

[shy hazel]

wasd was cancer enuf

imagine wasdnoca

[ionic magnet]

its just the start of hiryuu meta lol

[shy hazel]

high aa high fp high barrge

[vague token]

just use more dots

[shy hazel]

high def

lol

well but nerfed anyways

[vague token]

sara always there to drain hp with unpenalized dots

;)))

[raw osprey]

ok guess its time to whale and ring/buy skin for hiryuu

[shy hazel]

just ring

her kai is retarded anyways

[raw osprey]

nah, best skin

[vague token]

15 second barrage

[raw osprey]

i want her to bullly me

[vague token]

YUUUGE stat boost

[shy hazel]

kai costume is better

than current

[ionic magnet]

i wish hiryuus art was swapped with souryuu instead

[raw osprey]

[vague token]

what was hanafuda again, a chance to send out either 1, 2, 3, or 4 dive bombers?

or w/e

nikkousen

[shy hazel]

basically sara skill

[raw osprey]

https://gyazo.com/30e09a974214ffaeeaa18f873ee843c7

[vague token]

oh it was hanafuda

they translated it to deck of aces

lol

why not like

i dunno

xD

i mean arguably sara's is worse

aim torps

gross

if it was like centaur's torps they'd be good

instead they're ok

_>

forever triggered

but hey if you hit ykk with 1 it's gg xD

ONLY NEED ONE

[elder crane]

Each plane launches 172X2 torps
It's pretty weak

[vague token]

maybe it's just an older retrofit so they modeled it after ark royal's plane skill

same with why her gun skill is stupid

while zeppy is like

here's a mini amagi barrage

they didnt even update houshou

to have firepower

but zeppy has firepower

_____________>

[shy hazel]

feels so weird

i feel so glad now my shop is full if trash

[vague token]

lol

[shy hazel]

ytd got chicken and three t3 books

[vague token]

owo, rank 3 in my list

[shy hazel]

even r1 wont give me shit

[vague token]

oooof

[shy hazel]

had a fun idea

remove invincibility skills in exchnage for

200 luck proc

see enty dodge everything and crit everything

and nanoda too

[elder crane]

200 luck is, what, 20% eva rate, 20% hitrate, 4% crit rate, relative to 0 luck

not sure how good of a trade that is

[vague token]

i dunno about luck

[gaunt chasm]

this is ok for offense fleet right?
for defense i have namaryuu

[hot creek]

nakaga gets walled by the following: namagiryuu, HMS, WASD.

[elder crane]

I heard it still has okayish winrate vs those if optimized?

Not an expert on that team though

[raw osprey]

its fine against HMS and WASD

[hot creek]

ways to win with nakaga: get a lucky torp opening or get lucky with nagato procs

[ionic magnet]

noone gets walled by hms im sorry

and even against namaryuu and wasd, nakaga still has ~50% win rate so its still good enough

not to mention fastest fights

[elder crane]

That's what I remember testing showing, that it can still hit about 50% winrate when optimized

[hot creek]

50% is trash btw

[elder crane]

it's good enough to be usable, since optimized Namayuu comps aren't that common
And your matches are faster
Probably still the best rushing team, or at least not much worse

[hot creek]

fastest fights dont mean much when you have to reset over half the time

[elder crane]

Again, most teams you face won't give you that issue

[vague token]

what is mirror namayuu rate again?

7:3?

xD

[elder crane]

80+%, probably 90+%

[vague token]

jk it's 100%

the mirror wins always

;)))

[elder crane]

at least vs the toughest I've tested against

[ionic magnet]

just for reference i met only 1 namaryuu that made me reset this season so far

[elder crane]

You need to be down 2 barrages and bad other RNG or down 3 barrages to lose

[hot creek]

im sure i could stop meeting namaryuus too if I dropped 10 games or so

[ionic magnet]

but i only missed 1 match

[elder crane]

idk, over half the teams I face aren't
And very rarely do I meet an actual good one, maybe like 10% of the time at most
And ofc if you're rushing, you have more freedom to choose who you fight, losing a few pts at that time shouldn't matter

Nakaga still should give the fastest gensui rushes

[hot creek]

caring about gensui rush

in 2019

[elder crane]

Hey, not everyone sandbags a lot, gotta check the context of who you're speaking to

[ionic magnet]

its like only 10% of the people i meet uses namaryuu and then very few of those has actual optimized ships

and then of those optimized fleets, you win 50% of the time

[raw osprey]

but people without a mirror comp will have a hard time

[lament lichen]

win 50%

you mean win 100%

[ionic magnet]

tho if you meet one of those hardcore peeps it can get annoying

[raw osprey]

ye those hardcore peeps...

[elder crane]

We're talking about Nakaga vs Namayuu, Vy

[raw osprey]

Nakaga in 2k19

[lament lichen]

oh ok then

nakaga

guess they like to suffer

[ionic magnet]

give it 1 month and nakaga might be unplayable when most peeps finishes their namaryuus

but right now its not that bad

[elder crane]

Half of people just run meme teams, soooo
And people don't know how to gear it, not a problem of levels usually

or run weird vanguard setups

[shy hazel]

gensui rush is serious business though

[raw osprey]

[shy hazel]

wel if he gonna do it

lots of nmaryu in genrush time

[raw osprey]

[elder crane]

during rush you're free to choose whoever in list though
in a hardcore rush, doesn't matter if you eat +9 or even +8, that much, as long as you beat out other rushers in time
Although idk how many people rush anymore, is speed even an issue these days?

[shy hazel]

[raw osprey]

[shy hazel]

i never rushed for 5 seasons now

top 20 4 times too 10 2 times

i guess no rush in 6

[elder crane]

Most of us common posters here sandbag enough to not need the type of actual rushing I just described

[shy hazel]

seasons

when u have too much bonuses

the top 1 is below 20 points from u

in genrush

[elder crane]

Cash your excess pts in for 10 merit each!

Also fill those top 10 and wall out the plebs

[shy hazel]

let the plebes rush

ima drink my wine looking at them mob it out

[wicked rivet]

imma get a few extra +1's during gensui

[ionic magnet]

hey i needed to rush last two seasons cos i missed so many matches

but sunday rushes is so dead tbh

i think only 5 peeps rushed with me that time

[elder crane]

the midnight weekend one is the least contended I think

[ionic magnet]

[elder crane]

Cause most rushers spent by that point, and ofc it's midnight PDT so I think many aren't playing

[ionic magnet]

yea its the real gensui rush for plebs

[coral wren]

hm, is all staag an optimal aa rn?

or do you still need some ufo/bofors here and there?

[zenith tundra]

u should use staag instead of bofors on mostly backlines

[vague token]

more hit is always nice

too bad we dont have another RWG

xD

would be fun to mess around with 2 on a carrier

or split them up

[abstract cypress]

ppl already have staag

[vague token]

[empty sinew]

🅱 doubt

[shell heron]

Need some crazy good luck to get nothing but staag bps. I on the other hand have 7/25 gold 410 bps instead

[shy hazel]

[leaden sequoia]

at least you have shiny gold bps

[vague token]

too bad we cant trade them in for research xD

instead of w/e purples

[leaden sequoia]

technically you can trade 45 purple to 1 gold PR bp with 6h E-XXX-MI projects

with bonus bps and gold, but those are still bugged iiuc

[vague token]

ah

[steep fog]

they are fixed

the task gives reward now

[leaden sequoia]

there was a bug that it gave no rewards and, yes, that was fixed

but apparently there is also a bug that it only gives the featured bp, not other rewards as indicated in the reward list

[hot creek]

had to reset against an HMS earlier

almost caused me to miss a charge

[modern tree]

Was it arseids Doy?

[hot creek]

don't think it was arseid

it was doy though

actually, it might have been him

looking through t100 right now, he's the only one that makes sense

might actually be the only HMS in t100

oh wait

theres this guy https://puu.sh/DqjVW/b36e67ff0c.png

i think it was him

could HMS + mommy Monarch save us from this 🚮 meta?

[vague token]

lol

how fast does she kill nagato again?

[modern tree]

Out of complete boredom on this train, I will rant a lil bit about why current meta is the least fun possible. Nagato Amagi and hiryuu are all varying amount of rng that make even mirrors fucking painful. A lot of the math is assumption, but I will indicate how generous my estimates are. Nagato barrage in the mirror matters only if the arrows hit vg because if they slam into opposite Nagato, heavy armour means the most they do is set fires. Because vg moves, there's about 60% chance they are going to get hit since they are safe at top or bottom, but being mid or traveling through it gets them hit. Together with Nagato barrage chance we get solid 24% chance for Nagato to do anything with her gun. It's a generous estimate because arrows are narrow and in reality would probably have harder chance hitting than assumed. Then there's Amagi. The part of her barrage that hurts can be aimed at literally any ship. We can assume that both vg and target in front of her are preferable, putting chance to be useful at about 66% and coupled with the proc chance, total of 45% chance for her barrage to matter. This is a generous estimate because targeting the vg often misses. Suddenly Amagi is WORSE than BB Kaga, fancy that. You can slap in the rng of converging torps, rng of Juneau timings and rng of opening torps, couple it with all of it influencing the timing of 15 fucking second invulnerability, and we have actually the least amount of fun we have ever had

[vague token]

so... completely expected?

xD

[empty sinew]

huuuuuge essay

[vague token]

but he did the math

#TheyDidTheMath

[empty sinew]

tru

[hot creek]

now that you point out the nagato barrage thing, i do notice its pretty shit when it doesnt hit VG

[modern tree]

I can't wait to have monarch leveled to discover she can sometimes win so I have at least some fun gambling

I totally understand everyone playing foxes now

[steep fog]

huh

[empty sinew]

cuz consistency huh

[steep fog]

my foxes get rekt vs all the nagiryuu wall

[vague token]

i mean, namagi hiryuu is consistent mostly against anything that isnt itself

when it's mirrored

it becomes RNG fiesta

[steep fog]

so I run nagiryuu

[vague token]

those pvp damage reduction mods dont mean much when it's super overloaded anyways xD

[steep fog]

in the mirror I just swap amagi and hiryuu

so snipe their hiryuu

[hot creek]

yeah ive been doing that too, its not that bad. just proc their hiryuu before they proc yours

[modern tree]

Yes, foxes get rekt but at least you can see when they did, reset, and try to win again within 30 seconds

[steep fog]

also my vg is only 105

[modern tree]

Namagi mirror drags for close to 2minutes every time and sure wins can become loses just because of dumb rng

[vague token]

i mean, sniping their hiryuu doesnt always work

cause sometimes nagato procs

[steep fog]

well

[vague token]

and sometimes yours procs

and it's just a mess

like daxam said

xD

40% god tier barrage bois

[steep fog]

my nagato /amagi hasnt rly disappointed me in the mirror

[empty sinew]

sometimes amagi's barrage does very little damage

[vague token]

my problem is when vanguard absorbs and dodges amagi's barrage

and then amagi evade buff negates a portion randomly on hiryuu

so sometimes it nukes half her hp in one go

other times you do like no damage

[empty sinew]

vg always dodges the arcing shells

[vague token]

that and mirror amagi favors the defender im pretty sure

cause lol barrage pattern

i swear i always lose the mirror

[hot creek]

i guess i could start testing nakaga vs namagiryuu again

[modern tree]

The plunging projectiles can actually target any ship. She sometimes targets backliners furthest away from her. This is why this barrage sucks sometimes. It gets dodged by vg, or flies off to hit their Amagi for no reason

[hot creek]

but last time i did it left such a sour taste

cause Hiryuu is BS

[empty sinew]

that skill in itself is utter BS

[modern tree]

If you lose vg as fox and they have final counter still, you lost

[midnight heron]

i find nakaga pretty useless when vs belfast+juneau

[steep fog]

my foxes has 10% winrate vs nagiryuu

[midnight heron]

unless u run aurora/sendai/sirius

they'll just eat ur strikes and counter and u die

[steep fog]

final counter too OP

also wasda is kinda dead now?

[modern tree]

I low key think that Amagi foxes might be better just cuz you can deal with hiryuu

[steep fog]

think it loses to nagiryuu hard

[modern tree]

It doesn't lose hard, but comp that has no damage facing Amagi is just weird

Your 3rd backliner has to super carry wasd cuz all they do is put their face to damage and smile

Games are even longer than Namagi mirrors

[meager dawn]

how good is sirius with nakaga?

[midnight heron]

i wud say decent cuz of hitrate + avi

but u rly gotta stack those debuffs for it to work

im running nakaga + sirius/aurora on my alt

and foxes still fail to kill belfast/juneau comps

consistently

[empty sinew]

it really doesn't feel like much of a significant damage increase when i was running it

[midnight heron]

all maxed skills

[empty sinew]

even with sendai + aurora

[midnight heron]

like i said u prob gotta stack all of da debuffs

cant halfass it

[meager dawn]

so i can just stick to my sheffield juneau and yukikaze?

seems like sirius has no room

[midnight heron]

i dont hav sendai so i can only deal with it

[empty sinew]

sendai's flare is pretty wide, but there's also the rng of opp's vg staying out of it

wasted so many yellow skill books on her lul

[midnight heron]

yea but its purpose is to negate belfast smoke eva

[meager dawn]

i wasted my yellow books on sirius

[midnight heron]

which has roughly same radius

[empty sinew]

but the dmg reduction

still stays

which sucks for foxes anyways

[midnight heron]

ik but u can prob kill them without dat extra eva even with dmg reduction

[hot creek]

i can test rn. I have leveled sirius and sendai

and a maxed namagiryuu opponent

[midnight heron]

but do u hav aurora as well

[hot creek]

of course

the problem is getting them to survive til Hiryuu's double airstrikes

[midnight heron]

ok then pls do it 😮 i wanna see

[hot creek]

they get nuked by BB secondaries

[midnight heron]

not sure if boiler will help

[steep fog]

it does

[midnight heron]

i mainly just wanna know if dat setup can consistently kill belfast/yuki/juneau vg

cuz its da only thing my fleet cant do

[hot creek]

i mean, it probably could

earlier testing before i gave up on nakaga had no problem

like i said it was just having them survive long enough to negate hiryuus bombers

[midnight heron]

time to use 6 boilers

[empty sinew]

i still doubt it can first airstrike wipe out ykkz

[vague token]

sheffield is more valuable for saving your vanguard then?

[hot creek]

oh yeah that was a prblem too. high chance but not garunteed

[steep fog]

I ran double boiler ykkz

[midnight heron]

i wud say once u can clear their vg without taking much vg dmg urself u can tank hiryuu strikes

[steep fog]

shes fast af

[midnight heron]

but its mostly hypothetical for me

u still rely on rng to proc hiryuu counter early

[vague token]

it's fine, we just have to wait until ws kai liberates us all

from pants, from namagi, from everything

either that or biscuit is new busted tier

[hot creek]

so yeah I just ran 10 games of nakaga vs namangiryuu and lost all of them.

with sirius/aurora/sendai

[midnight heron]

damn so it doesnt work

¯_(ツ)_/¯

guess i'll die

[vague token]

im pretty sure you need jintsuu to force vanguard trades

not sirius

she has the biggest damage amp in the game for vanguards

[hot creek]

switched to junuea/jintsuu/yukikaze and already won twice

[vague token]

xD

just rush em down torp style

[hot creek]

followed by three losses 🚮

[vague token]

i mean better than 0:10

;)

at least you can reset in 20 seconds or less

xD

[ionic magnet]

i personally prefer jint aurora jun cos it has a little bit of everything the foxes need

and yea even with 3 eva debuffs, it still don't kill VGs in 1 airstrike so you just end up in worse trades

[odd schooner]

@hot creek i believe you still need ykkz not sendai

[hot creek]

30% win rate with junuea jintsuu yukikaze

ok ill try jintsuu/aurora/yukikaze then

[midnight heron]

send halp

[vague token]

just go collect another one you dont have

xD

[hot creek]

rates aren't much different. if anything only slightly better.

nakaga is 🚮 reconfirmed

[vague token]

rip

[midnight heron]

sad thing is it cant even classify as a glass cannon

cuz it cant even win more than it loses

[vague token]

just glass

xD

[hot creek]

I will have to go back and recalc when airstrikes happen since some of the losses were questionable but even then counting those as wins would only bring it up to 50% which is trash

[vague token]

torp works better with namagi hiryuu anyways

until saint louis is online

the torp pressure is extremely high

double quads shoots a second time before air strike too

i think

[blazing scroll]

I am using portland in my namayuu which so far does great in the mirror matches

[midnight heron]

maybe its time to try nakaku

[vague token]

portland works fine against belfast variants

because the vanguard is slow and cant crack portland at all

might have trouble with sheffield variants

juneau/sheffy/ykk is tanky as hell

and volatile

[blazing scroll]

Got my Juneau in the middle and she still dies first which makes portland last even longer

Haven't found many of those yet

[vague token]

most people dont know what sheffield does anyways lol

[blazing scroll]

[midnight heron]

sheffield has caused me to lose cuz juneau didnt die early enough when i was testing

[vague token]

oh, i usually have no problems with juneau front

[steep fog]

just putjuneau in front

whenu run shef

[hot creek]

anyways, all that testing is making me consider Badge on Hiyruu

[midnight heron]

angry juneau noises

[hot creek]

cause Hiryuu surviving long enough is basically win condition

[midnight heron]

i wud try dat but i dont hav 3rd sg so rip

[shy hazel]

i didnt realize the gap between combat 2 and last step is only 3 days

time to ultrafarm but im now oil poor

i was valenzuela ytd

oil rich but gold poor

now im just poor

[shy hazel]

god bringing spite in event map is cancer

cant kill bombs cant kill planes

sometimes loses mvp

[hybrid tendon]

so the best way to counter ppl is just proc big7 sakura every time

[half iron]

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/DqmQM/1c022407c9.png

[half iron]

yikes

[shy hazel]

ssg

[hot creek]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/528197562998718474/539466609656594453/9000fps.gif

[half iron]

I wouldn't want to cap that fast anyway

would mean no grinding for the next 24h

and can't have that

[zenith tundra]

u can rest and recover oil after ur done

and be ready for next pr

[shy hazel]

i think my current 10k aint enuf

for the last 40 perc

lol

[leaden sequoia]

should be enough if you 1:1

you'll farm slower so you'll have more time to regen

[hot creek]

just calc dat shit

hell, ill calc it for you. which map you farming and which ships are you using

[charred sable]

Ahhhhhhhhhhh, where do I farm this?

[leaden sequoia]

SP4

6-1, 7-3, 8-2, 12-4

[charred sable]

12-4

[leaden sequoia]

copypasted from wiki

[gaunt chasm]

should i front belfast aurora and ykkz or sirius aurora and ykkz for offense with nakaga?

[charred sable]

7-3 farming it is

[wicked rivet]

Belfast is good for foxes

[gaunt chasm]

oh iirc purple twin100mm bp drops in SP4 too rn

aight then

[wicked rivet]

Either should work but if ur vs opposing akaga then belfast would probly be better

[half iron]

holy shit

+2 on friday before reset?!

m a g i c a l

[charred sable]

I guess I should save my refreshes

@gaunt chasm will definitely be spamming that after I finish grinding Bel-chan

[gaunt chasm]

o

[charred sable]

Oh, nvm, I'm was apparently already done

[leaden sequoia]

it's not

staag is not even available in that kind of projects

only other 6 weapons

[cerulean estuary]

no +1 for me this reset , always fall on +34 points difference

[shy hazel]

can relate

[elder crane]

The featured equip in that comms is pretty shite, the PR 100mm AA gun is mostly worse than the 105 SKC
I wouldn't bother with running it, much less farming the required purple BPs
The rewards on that comms isn't better than that of the gold-eating comms, though it's likely one of the best non-battle "free" comms; unless you get the 100mm AA featured, where it's about the same since those bps are mostly useless

[odd schooner]

Almost dropped my cup when it was done loading

[midnight heron]

lul

amagi is yamato in disguise

[wicked rivet]

Yamagi

[split socket]

^ that would be a legit comp name once yamato drops

[wicked rivet]

Yamago for Yamato, Amagi, Nagato

[elder crane]

Oh man, Biso incoming?

[lament lichen]

200 iq

[elder crane]

I don't see it carrying a KMS team, but let's see

[split socket]

she has to be extremely busted to be able to carry a KMS team

I'm excited either way I hope shes good

[wicked rivet]

If she's good enough she's going in DoY's spot

[split socket]

if I could decide, I'd make her kms flagship with crapton of kms buffs and Rhine drill to be somewhat similar to warspites sniping shenaningans

[elder crane]

Oh man, if she's WSKai levels of busted...
Maybe we'll get the breakup of the meta early
Unless she gets mad synergy with KMS, I'm mostly seeing "busted ships" potential

[finite valve]

sadly none of my KMS is at 110

too focus on JP meta

gg

well at least i can build my roon tomorrow so there's that

[elder crane]

It might be like with Amagi then, a period where EN is different from how CN/JP was
But possibly even more so

Well, time to start conserving cubes, and maybe coin too

[split socket]

I think that's just good, having predictable metas kinda make the game stale

[finite valve]

the grind tho lel

since i bet no one here even have a full 110 kms

[split socket]

I'm pretty close

[elder crane]

I don't really see a KMS team shaping up

[split socket]

they are still trash though xD

[finite valve]

depend on how OP bisko is

[elder crane]

Tirp anti-synergy with Biso, Graf is still pretty meh, as is Zeppy
And the rest outside of Roon actively suck

[finite valve]

tirp is not even good in pvp

no barrage is dead weight

just sub her out for amagi

[split socket]

we need FdG

[elder crane]

Biso would really need to have a massive team boost to make other KMS worth running

[finite valve]

graf is just there for the buff

[split socket]

graf bisko amagi

[elder crane]

Graf is pretty meh though

[raw osprey]

lets be real, bis is just gonna be another low tier kms

[split socket]

I'm kinda hoping that bisko bring more defense to kms

[vagrant veldt]

it's a large event

[finite valve]

pudding z46 / z23 + jesus maybe?

[vagrant veldt]

might give new planes

[split socket]

so u have an undying kms front

xD

[finite valve]

might use shark instead of pudding

thing going to change once we get FDG

[split socket]

make shields able to block torpedos, airstrikes & bb shelling

[finite valve]

full kms line

lel

[split socket]

prinz and roon is suddenly super viable

[raw osprey]

sure

[vagrant veldt]

I don't think there's anymore ironblood bombers. maybe make a gold version of the ju

[elder crane]

Roon and prinz still have the problem of ship speed

[split socket]

I'm just dreaming, don't mind me

[elder crane]

they'll be catching all the BB shots

[split socket]

not a problem if shield catches it

[elder crane]

Shield doesn't stop BB shots

only CA and lower

[split socket]

what I mean was, in the highly unlikely scenario where bisko buff is making shields able to block torps, airstrike and shelling

[elder crane]

....sure

[split socket]

as I said, I'm just dreaming

xD

[zenith tundra]

how many bps u get from specific equipment researches?

[elder crane]

Also with all the rando shots flying around in PvP, shields will get depleted fast

[finite valve]

tbh i am more concern about whether she is build or quest

[elder crane]

you mean the 6H one, Zack?

[zenith tundra]

yes

[split socket]

that's true, I still lack loli akagi and want to spam for her

but bisko is making me hesitate

[zenith tundra]

i have 1 for mle 203

[elder crane]

2 PR 2 Gold, then 3 PR for me

for the two I ran

[zenith tundra]

so u got 2 and 3 for that equip?

[buoyant parrot]

Stupid event... I only have 89 cubes...

[zenith tundra]

didnt u have 800 a while ago

[split socket]

it's almost like they started scheming on how to deplete our cubes :x

[elder crane]

iirc 1 and 2, and got other PR equips
tbh I don't really remember, just have general results in a spreadsheet

[split socket]

event after event after event

[buoyant parrot]

That was before Kizuna

What I have right now is 7k gem worth of coins

[zenith tundra]

are they worth then? i want the 203 mle but need more roon bps as well

[split socket]

I don't buy coins with gems so u'll have to convert it back to coins for me to get it

[finite valve]

203 prototype from core?

[elder crane]

Reminds me, need to check out CN forum

I remember seeing someone talk about the spread for new research projects

[buoyant parrot]

7k gems = 235k coins

[split socket]

is there a quick tldr of the PR equips anyway? I only know about Staag but are otherwise completely out of the loop regarding the other equips

[elder crane]

Just3c just posted a equip vid

it has the good PR equips in it

Basically, the noteworthy ones:
CL gun, both CA guns, the AA gun, the Rudder Aux

[zenith tundra]

how did u blow up 800 cubes on 2 trash events?

[elder crane]

Niche use:
All the BB guns, except the meme 410 sanshikidan

[zenith tundra]

410 gold is usless in all situations

[vagrant veldt]

it's really good

[zenith tundra]

i mean the meme fireworks one ofc

[buoyant parrot]

Well trash event is having my OCD kick in... That Kizuna Ai and the Loli made me do it.

[vagrant veldt]

I can imagine Arizona using it when doing Saint Louis exp or something

[zenith tundra]

were u that unlucky?

[buoyant parrot]

Well not that I regret it and yes I was so super unlucky

[elder crane]

The 100mm AA is literally a worse 105, so is the second stinker

[vagrant veldt]

the sakura one?

isn't it in between 113 and 105

[elder crane]

Yep
You get a teeeny bit more damage for a teeny bit less reload, same range, vs the 105
For PvP, that means it's pretty much strictly worse

[buoyant parrot]

I just hope I get bisco on my first 10 pull

[elder crane]

Let's hope they don't gimp her rate

[buoyant parrot]

[finite valve]

also just reading 4chan but i am going to LMFAO if the boss battle theme song is sabaton bismarck lel

[zenith tundra]

i wanted to see bismark not a trash poem thing tbh

also are they really releasing a major event just at the end of 2 events at once?

[modern tree]

Yes

[buoyant parrot]

My cubes are dying...

So is my mastercard

[finite valve]

most ppl speculate that bisko will be quest reward

[zenith tundra]

fuck cubes oil is the problem

[elder crane]

Oh god pls yes, Biso reward/shop like Tirp

[finite valve]

you still got around 5 days

[buoyant parrot]

Been buying 400gems worth of oil everyday

[elder crane]

My cubes/coin ain't hurting right now, but would still be a massive relief

[zenith tundra]

i never brought oil yet

[buoyant parrot]

Im dying financially

I'm at 91% 2m exp

[zenith tundra]

u should learn to low oil tbh

[buoyant parrot]

I'm running 22

[finite valve]

should have get 1 more corpse for exp leech

unless you farming monarch

[buoyant parrot]

I am farming monarch

lol

[finite valve]

bingo

[zenith tundra]

i was using 26-27 for ibuki and didnt blow my oil completely

[elder crane]

Looks like Mikasa won't be til next month at earliest

DoA even more

[finite valve]

eh monarch =/= ibuki

all monarch good ship are of elite and above

[split socket]

no one even gives a shit about mikasa anymore lul

[finite valve]

at least ibuki you can still use rare + common

monarch ain't got any good rare let alone common

[buoyant parrot]

That old hag is useless now

[elder crane]

Flag+MVP is 3X xp though, vs van MVP being just 2X

[zenith tundra]

isnt mvp 50%

[split socket]

shes so incredibly powercrept, they need to release mikasa kai along with her event if they want ppl to be even excited for it

[zenith tundra]

or am i retarded

[elder crane]

The two mulitpliers multiply together

I'd rec (HMS BB)+mahans, it's what I'm using to elite farm SP4
Works in 8-1 or lower too
Super cheap team, 17 oil at most

[modern tree]

Repulse is bad but Renown is fine to low cost monarch. You can also always just take hood wherever below w10

[vagrant veldt]

should be able to take hood anywhere

[modern tree]

Hood won't really 1:1 w10 tbh

Too much fire hate

[elder crane]

Her secs start having trouble there with suiships
Being DD, low eff, and lowish base FP

[split socket]

both Nagato and Amagi can 1:1 w11-4, I'd like to try with hood eventually lol

[vagrant veldt]

I have hood on 11-4 and there are no problems

6 fights without Akashi

[buoyant parrot]

Welp I'll give it a rest now. Tomorrow I'm done with the 2m exp farm. I can finally rest and save oil

[modern tree]

I mean, I too played Hood Shoho with rando frontline everywhere, but exp difference is not big enough to outweigh oil you spend on extra backliner

[zenith tundra]

im resting today before i need to start roon grind

[vagrant veldt]

11 is a huge jump in exp

[coral wren]

Unfortunately manju can't into good writing so i expect another cringy story

But i do hope bismark will kinda replace tirpitz and der grobe along with bis and zep will make a good kms fleet

[vagrant veldt]

they also can't seem to afford a typewrite making all sorts of typos and skill descriptions often leave out some details.

[coral wren]

Well, yeah. I guess they just don't bother since ppl seem to eat it anyway

[steep fog]

doesnt matter as long as they churn out good art

[wicked rivet]

^

tru

[versed atlas]

i wish i had gone for ibuki instead of saint louis

[wicked rivet]

ibuki is best girl

[versed atlas]

that's true

but that's not the reason

the reason is that having an insane torp first strike would be funny as hell in a defense fleet

[wicked rivet]

you went saint louis for pvp?

tru

[versed atlas]

yeah

i did

[wicked rivet]

my TRP vanguard will be unstoppable

[versed atlas]

TRP?

oh

torp

pressing o instead of shift would be same number of keys!

[wicked rivet]

u are correct

but I typed TP

and then was like hol up

and threw an R in there

someone is a whole 9 ahead of me

first was fun while it lasted

[midnight heron]

game's way of cockblocking i guess

[wicked rivet]

[raw osprey]

soon

[shell heron]

I almost lost track of time and forgot to finish my pvp matches

[wicked rivet]

F

luckily u have 15 mins till reset

if I hadn't dropped a match this season I'd be 1 ahead of first rn

[shell heron]

Would have been 3 dropped matches and there goes the season

[raw osprey]

how big is the difference between lvl 100 and 110 Juneau?

[midnight heron]

will #@*(ing big suffice

taking 20% more dmg from 110 ships means she dies too early

[elder crane]

She also has ~5% less base HP, ~5% less PvP HP multiplier

And less AA so less aviation damage reduction
Also some less evasion too

[hot creek]

time to prep KMS

[strange locust]

why do so many people give pearl's tears to eldridge? whenever i fight those fleets, enty is the only one who ever outlasts eld, if anyone

[elder crane]

2.22/2.1 = 1.057
2.1/2.22 = 0.946
About 5.5%, depending on which you take as the reference

[modern tree]

I saw Enterprise with Pearl once. That was a trip

[vague token]

o.O

that's next level strats right there

[modern tree]

I question my sanity to this day

[elder crane]

Yukikaze is such a goddamn troll
I just lost a 4v1 to yukikaze

Then on retry she instantly blows up

[finite valve]

not having 3 BB to nuke the shit out of a tsun cat

[elder crane]

Literally 2BB+CV on her
And Amagi fired two barrages too

And my own ykkz ofc

Still got trolled, hard

Funnily enough had my ykkz sank earlier, I might've had a better chance, since then secondaries could've worked on enemy ykkz
Instead she sat at a safe distance and lobbed torps which slowly killed/weakened my main fleet

[finite valve]

i just use amakaga against all the meta fleet

[wicked rivet]

I once killed a nagato with a pearl

That was weird af

[vague token]

all of my 127s are on my gun boats X_x

so im using 100mm on nagato and amagi lol

[wicked rivet]

100mm on nagato and amagi

[vague token]

look i dont got enough 127s for everyone ok

im not oprah

xD

[elder crane]

Nah, just got freak RNG
As I said, when I retried, easily wiped her
On a second note, first time I've seen 2:30 on the PvP timer since the Enty duel meta

[shell heron]

Oh, Is it AotN rush already?

[shy hazel]

yup

it made me realize

how shitty my score is this season

when all your charges is just = to current top 1

[elder crane]

I'm on a trip tomorrow, so I might drop a set or two
So I got my rush done early

[shy hazel]

[shell heron]

Same Stella, had a few dead resets early so that's a loss of 10ish points

or missed gain

[raw osprey]

410mm vs namaryuu best choice?

[elder crane]

On which ships?

[raw osprey]

Amagi/naga

for mirror namaryuu

[shy hazel]

so funny

[elder crane]

410 or 381, 381 faster for getting barrages off first/not second, 410 for more main gun damage and fires

[shy hazel]

i brought ws to 8-4 and cleared 5 mobs and i realized she didnt have any gun

[elder crane]

381 is probably better, since otherwise you'll be behind one barrage timing, but not completely sure on that

[shy hazel]

[raw osprey]

[shy hazel]

just use 381 if u use barrage ships

410 u can only use sometimes for nagato

if your proc rate sucks

[shell heron]

I like 381s more, especially with putting Amagi across of Hiryuu

[raw osprey]

Ayt

[shy hazel]

410 is basically the

fk this proc rate, lemme do a bit of dmg

gun

[raw osprey]

[elder crane]

Also better fires, which isn't insignificant
Also tighter dispersion, which matters vs main fleet, on top of higher gun damage

[raw osprey]

and sec. aux amagi? (SG first slot)

[shell heron]

you got gold FCR?

that can cut her first barrage down to 7s

[raw osprey]

no

[shell heron]

2 SGs

[raw osprey]

thats what i used, guess ill try rammer next fight

[elder crane]

No rammer, not worth it!
You lose like 10% of your hitrate

that +hit bonus is super important

[raw osprey]

i wasnt serious

[shell heron]

[elder crane]

sadly, some people aren't when they say rammers

[raw osprey]

[shell heron]

But now I want to calc the reload time if you use an autoloader on Amagi

[elder crane]

it's a 1 s diff iirc

[raw osprey]

[vague token]

when we say rammer when mean autoloader right

xD

[raw osprey]

[shell heron]

yea, more or less 1s with autoloader. I'd use a 2nd SG or even purple FCR over it

[raw osprey]

FCR

[wicked rivet]

Autoloader on dork gives an extra 1.5 seconds on reload

With the mk6

[raw osprey]

[elder crane]

The +Hit is the main stat that's important offense-wise, for both the SG and FCRs

[vague token]

i mean it doesnt really help in grand scheme of things anyways xD

[coral wren]

is this thingy

worth using

for pvp

[raw osprey]

N

[coral wren]

great

good thing i asked before +10

[wicked rivet]

its better than a purple SG but not as good as a gold

[shell heron]

note that's it's being used on Hiryuu

[vague token]

it works on carriers is the important part

for sara it's important since hitting a witch prank determines a lot of her damage on ykk

gotta get those burn/flood ticks

[raw osprey]

wrong channel

[buoyant parrot]

I farmed so hard and got so far... In the end it doesn't even matter.

SP4 is my life... I even dreamed of it

[finite valve]

if only mini fighter drop rate was not utter dog shit

[buoyant parrot]

and here I am still needing 1 more Fakkyu....

the event is almost over

please game...

[finite valve]

i got enough fakkyu for 12 BB

just need more mini fighter

[buoyant parrot]

T-T

I have lots of Mini bullcrap

but im a BB person

I want Fakkyu's

[finite valve]

if only there was a trade function in these gacha bull crap

but then it going to turn into trade simulator

lel

[buoyant parrot]

WTF!!!

+4